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Waiting for the T-90, the Vietnamese continue to exploit the T-34 and Su-100

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The reference books on armored vehicles indicate that Tanks T-34-85 can still be seen in service with the armies of several countries, and Vietnam is one of such countries. There, along with the “thirty-fours,” are also serving the Su-100, writes Messenger of Mordovia.




“It is worth noting that the tanks of this model began to arrive at the end of the 50-s. They fought against the Americans, their Saigon marionettes, against the Polopotists and the Chinese, ”the author recalls.

Of course, the newspaper writes, “at present, these tanks are different from those that fought during the Great Patriotic War: they introduced a number of improvements, in particular, skating rinks, night vision devices and equipment unified with T-54 / 55 / 62 machines appeared more modern radio stations. "

Waiting for the T-90, the Vietnamese continue to exploit the T-34 and Su-100


However, this armored vehicle, even in an improved form, is, rather, historical value than combat. “Therefore, a message about the imminent purchase of the T-90MS in Russia was received with great enthusiasm in Vietnam,” the author notes.

At the same time, Vietnamese analysts assume that the number of tanks purchased will be much more than the number announced in 28 vehicles earlier.

Photos used:
http://vestnik-rm.ru
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  1. Pavel1
    Pavel1 19 July 2016 11: 09
    +30
    t34 is the weapon of victory.
    1. Krsk
      Krsk 19 July 2016 11: 13
      +35
      Well, right, Vietnam won
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 19 July 2016 12: 29
        +22
        Quote: KrSk
        Well, right, Vietnam won

        still thank us for the help. I know not by hearsay. near their trading house. probably live and trade here for 25 years. maybe more. and sincere thanks
        1. sgazeev
          sgazeev 19 July 2016 18: 16
          +12
          Quote: Lukich
          they introduced a number of improvements, in particular, road wheels, night vision devices and more modern radio stations unified with T-54/55/62 machines appeared

          In the 90s, the Vietnamese drove up, one girl voted, and over a dozen, everyone was puny. They couldn’t refuse, respect for them for their staunchness and ability to fight. They still kicked the frogs, and the Yankees did not want to learn from the mistakes of others and got on a dime.
        2. zennon
          zennon 19 July 2016 22: 08
          +2
          Quote: Lukich
          still thank us for the help. I know not by hearsay. and sincere thanks

          Well, yes. 10 MLD $ they forgave them. Whoever gave us such money would be very grateful. And I assure you, my gratitude would be sincere!
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 20 July 2016 10: 02
            +9
            Cuba has been forgotten, but there is still logic in this. No one just forgives anything.
            It’s like in the story with Erdogany: here everyone shouted on the site, they say the dude apologized, didn’t take any punishment, a couple of tomatoes got off and that’s all, but in fact, I’m sure that they tried to arrange a coup for him. He made serious concessions. In general, the picture that we are shown in the media, and the one that is happening in reality, probably differ sometimes even in a mirror.
            1. zennon
              zennon 20 July 2016 17: 44
              0
              Quote: silver_roman
              but still there is logic in this. No one just forgives anything.

              That is, you are hinting that there might be something wrong for us? Not convincingly! Or you can use concrete money, not vague promises.
          2. Archon
            Archon 20 July 2016 19: 45
            -1
            ordinary people would not see this money. never.
          3. Thomas 1989
            Thomas 1989 20 July 2016 21: 03
            +3
            You will come to Cuba and, like some Canadian, you will pay a tourist tax of 20 euros. If you get sick in Cuba, they will be stripped off like a stick ... If only all these "friends" had a conscience. To whom do we forgive debts? If the Vietnamese are again given a loan to forgive later, then we have to ask those who forgive.
          4. Svidetel 45
            Svidetel 45 20 July 2016 21: 23
            +4
            They, the Vietnamese, defended not only their independence, but also the geopolitical interests of the USSR in the confrontation with our main enemy and accepting all the "charms" of the war on their land, that's why they got 10 mln., And what for you? Because well, you really want to?
            1. Thomas 1989
              Thomas 1989 21 July 2016 21: 09
              +6
              that is, a certain Vietnamese peasant, shooting at amers from a Kalash, thought "this is for the geopolitical interests of the USSR"? Do you really think so poorly? Americans plundered Vietnam, exported the wealth of Vietnam, imposed their perverted ideology on them, explaining that the whole world was created for the prosperity of the pinnacle of civilization led by a handful of war criminals. Many people in our country think so. For example, take the radio station Rain. The Vietnamese did not agree with this logic and began to actively Resist. And we helped them in the name of our geopolitical interests. Instead of thanks, Vietnam threw us 10 lard, although if not for our help, everyone would have been burned with napalm. Vietnamese airlines have been purchasing 20 Boeing-787s within 5 years, for about 2 billion. Probably on lease, so let the tanks be leased, otherwise they will be thrown again. For Lend-Lease, we paid until the 72nd year, so for example, how to pay for debts.
    2. vodolaz
      vodolaz 19 July 2016 11: 14
      +5
      Able to do!
    3. Hellraiser
      Hellraiser 19 July 2016 11: 15
      +7
      This technique is still in operation! good
      1. sherp2015
        sherp2015 19 July 2016 11: 56
        0
        Quote: Hellraiser
        This technique is still in operation!

        Now let’s buy new equipment. Previously, for the most part, the freebie was
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 19 July 2016 12: 03
          +16
          Quote: sherp2015
          Now let’s buy new equipment. Previously, for the most part, the freebie was

          The trick is that the best treatment of our Vietnamese friends does not in any way replace commodity-money relations. And the Vietnamese are pulling the bagpipes with the purchase of the T-90MS, hoping for another "brotherly gift" request
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 19 July 2016 14: 04
            +4
            Quote: Andrey K
            does not replace commodity-money relations in any way. And the Vietnamese are pulling the bagpipes with the purchase of the T-90MS, hoping for another "brotherly gift"



            It is possible that they will receive new tanks as not quite a gift, but in exchange for some geopolitical movements ...

            After all, our presence there must be returned, and pay for the base (were you going to return it?) ...
          2. clidon
            clidon 19 July 2016 17: 16
            +3
            They do not count on a fraternal gift - not those times. But for a discount it’s quite for yourself.
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother 19 July 2016 18: 17
        +10
        Quote: Hellraiser
        This technique is still in operation!

        The ZIS-2 cannon installed in the Sadko body. Syria.
        They can still, old people.
        1. dvaposto
          dvaposto 20 July 2016 19: 19
          +1
          even from the "unicorn" fire with buckshot - it will not seem a little.
      3. Alex777
        Alex777 19 July 2016 18: 46
        +5
        SU-100 was removed from storage this year.
        Before that, there were canned ones.
        At the Vietnamese on the border with China, a fortified area with a depth of kilometers 20. Apparently, self-propelled guns will be put into the closed positions.
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 20 July 2016 10: 03
          0
          why not? purely high-explosives in the crowd to naughty, if God forbid it happens. True, at first such positions are processed by artillery or aviation, no one will rush into the embrasure with a bare belly.
    4. JACTUS RECTUS
      JACTUS RECTUS 19 July 2016 11: 15
      +1
      Captain evidence .... EPRST ...
    5. JACTUS RECTUS
      JACTUS RECTUS 19 July 2016 11: 15
      +3
      Why do I have a Korean flag ??? Website IP address monitors ???
      1. BARKAS
        BARKAS 19 July 2016 11: 17
        +12
        Maybe they need to make upgrades to start with the T-34MS laughing
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 July 2016 11: 44
          +39
          Quote: BARKAS
          Maybe they need to make upgrades to start with the T-34MS

          It’s better for us to redeem them for the filming of films, but now instead of the T 34 I’m participating in some sort of BMP, disguised plywood.
          1. BARKAS
            BARKAS 19 July 2016 12: 44
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            It’s better for us to redeem them for the filming of films, but now instead of the T 34 I’m participating in some sort of BMP, disguised plywood.

            Filmmakers now more and more prefer to draw so that they are unlikely to be interested in this, museums are another matter, the pedestal is somewhere in the outback or even a parade featuring T-34!
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit 19 July 2016 18: 09
              +3
              The article heh clearly states that the tanks have been modernized, and are already a little similar to the basic T-34 model. So practically no longer represent historical value.
          2. fif21
            fif21 19 July 2016 15: 25
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            It’s better for us to buy them for filming,
            good or alternatively change to new in proportion.
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        2. fif21
          fif21 19 July 2016 15: 31
          0
          A little off topic "Barkas" call sign of my radio station. Do the words remind you of something: strait, rakita, braid?
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      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 July 2016 11: 43
        +6
        Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
        Website IP address monitors ???

        Yes, it tracks and transmits to the FSB.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 19 July 2016 11: 44
          +22
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, it tracks and transmits to the FSB.

          And why transfer the address from one department to another? smile
          1. BecmepH
            BecmepH 19 July 2016 11: 51
            +6
            And why transfer the address from one department to another?
            It’s necessary to do something ...
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 July 2016 11: 54
            +10
            Quote: Alexey RA
            And why transfer the address from one department to another?

            I also think why, but Colonel Smirnov says so it is necessary smile
          3. fif21
            fif21 19 July 2016 15: 35
            +1
            Quote: Alexey RA
            And why transfer the address from one department to another?

            Rabinovich again messed up lol
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        2. sherp2015
          sherp2015 19 July 2016 12: 15
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
          Website IP address monitors ???
          Yes, it tracks and transmits to the FSB.

          ))))) "knock on drums" seven days a week
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 July 2016 12: 31
            +1
            Quote: sherp2015
            beat the drums "

            Do not knock, but work!
      3. Felix99
        Felix99 20 July 2016 09: 48
        +2
        The site is looking deeper ... Are you by any chance not a North Korean spy?
      4. Xpyct89
        Xpyct89 20 July 2016 19: 10
        0
        for the same reason that I have Romanian
    6. Lukich
      Lukich 19 July 2016 12: 08
      0
      Quote: Paul1
      t34 is the weapon of victory.

      the list is endless. it is possible and necessary to continue the IL-2 ... "Katyusha" ... experts-historians will better say about small arms. yes a lot of things were created by our designers. yes, in principle, then everything that fought was a weapon of Victory
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 21 July 2016 22: 16
        0
        It is good that the matter will be limited only to the T-90. And then the Indians in a fit of fraternity have already promised the PAK FA. Converted and simplified to Hindus, but still ... And the Chinese - S-400.
        1. clidon
          clidon 22 July 2016 05: 23
          0
          Why do you think the FGFA will be simplified?
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 22 July 2016 10: 42
            0
            So the tradition is still from the Soviet era - to export truncated equipment for export. I just suspect that for the sake of fraternal peoples, the government has ended this tradition. In general, aviation is not supposed to be good for the Hindus - let the caste system be eliminated first. And to us, until homelessness disappears as a phenomenon and until corruption is defeated like a Singapore victory, it is not allowed to play a superpower and hang out abroad. I think so: internal problems are higher than any external ones, and the economy is outside politics.
            1. clidon
              clidon 22 July 2016 18: 13
              0
              I do not understand why you think that this "tradition" has been preserved since Soviet times? Just a lot that we sold to India previously surpassed domestic samples in terms of capabilities. Well, for example, "Klaba" and "Brahmos" which fell into the hands of the Indians long before our military received them. Su-30MKI, Indian electronics of which is used in domestic Su-30SM. And according to rumors, New Delhi wants the FGFA to be cooler than the "base" model, plus use more Indian components. For which he pays money.
        2. MOSKVITYANIN
          MOSKVITYANIN 25 January 2018 23: 09
          0
          Quote: Basarev
          And the Chinese - C-400.

          Fear God. C-400 adopted by the RF Armed Forces in 2007
  2. T-100
    T-100 19 July 2016 11: 13
    +6
    Go to fight some old people soldier )))
  3. Teberii
    Teberii 19 July 2016 11: 13
    +3
    It is necessary to take this equipment back home, although there are memorable places in Vietnam.
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    2. Lukich
      Lukich 19 July 2016 12: 39
      0
      Quote: Teberii
      There are places in Vietnam and Vietnam.

      unfortunately there are sad ones ((in Kamrani (((4 SU-27 with crews ((((
    3. Monarchist
      Monarchist 19 July 2016 18: 51
      0
      It’s better to search for places of battle: recently in the Voronezh region they got it from the Don (there was information on our website), but how many have not yet been pulled out?
  4. maxim1987
    maxim1987 19 July 2016 11: 13
    +3
    Tagil steers and drives laughing . 28 of course not enough. Give 280 !!
    1. gray smeet
      gray smeet 19 July 2016 11: 18
      +1
      Quote: maximNNX
      Tagil steers and drives laughing . 28 of course not enough. Give 280 !!

      Moreover, Vietnam has money! (a rare case for our Rosoboronexport)
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 19 July 2016 11: 20
      +1
      Quote: maximNNX
      28 of course not enough. Give 280 !!

      And where will Vietnam get the money?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 July 2016 11: 45
        +2
        Quote: Amurets
        And where will Vietnam get the money?

        On credit laughing
      2. sherp2015
        sherp2015 19 July 2016 12: 16
        +2
        Quote: Amurets
        And where will Vietnam get the money?

        in the nightstand ...)
  5. starochkin77
    starochkin77 19 July 2016 11: 16
    +1
    T-34 is a legend of world and domestic tank building !!! soldier hi
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 19 July 2016 13: 56
      +3
      Father told. After training I got to the unit in Kushka. The first patrol departure on combat T-34. He climbed into the tank, sat down, sees a sledgehammer lying near the gearshift lever. Do not understand. what Starts off, we must switch. He grabs the lever, and he does not move request ... While pulling the lever, the tank stopped. Moves again, again the same story. Then he felt a kick in the back, turned around and saw the pointing finger of the gunner, who was pointing at the sledgehammer. Starting, accelerating, throwing everything, grabbing the sledgehammer and on the lever "bams" - turned off the first, once again "grunt" - increased. So they drove, Basmachi and caravans of Afghan smugglers drove through the desert. Six months later, we received new tanks, and changed the PPSh to Kalashnikov. Here's a firsthand story. smile
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 19 July 2016 18: 16
        +2
        Well, I heard a story that during the Vietnam War, the Americans received the latest fancy tanks. A week later, some "termites" devoured all the wiring, as a result, the tanks turned into a heap of scrap metal. And in the T-34, due to its simplicity, there is nothing to eat, and the Vietnamese always stayed on the move and continued to fight.
      2. Forever so
        Forever so 19 July 2016 20: 56
        +4
        And everything was wrong, he jumped out of the tank on the go, opened the engine compartment and hit the box with a sledgehammer, then closed the compartment, popped into the hatch and gazed on. Well, what kind of hell can’t you read !! dad was telling. The storyteller was the great your dad. Maybe the driver also started the tank with a crooked starter ??
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 20 July 2016 13: 23
          +1
          Quote: Forever so
          The storyteller was the great your dad.

          My father had many bad habits, but he was never reproached for lying. It was in the wings, they fixed it two hundred times, to no avail.
          Quote: Forever so
          Maybe the driver also started the tank with a crooked starter ??

          You are so "witty", I admire.
  6. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 19 July 2016 11: 17
    +5
    What are they T-90MS? We ourselves do not have them. The T-72B3 will be just right.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 19 July 2016 11: 22
      +7
      Quote: ramzes1776
      What are they T-90MS? We ourselves do not have them. The T-72B3 will be just right.

      Well, firstly, the MS is an export machine, and secondly, we will have a T-14.
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 19 July 2016 18: 59
        +2
        Will you tell me when? A: "if tomorrow is a war, if tomorrow is on a campaign" Colonel-General MuvkA allowed to give T90 for there will be T14, did not say when
  7. bubalik
    bubalik 19 July 2016 11: 19
    +2

    Pavel1 (1) RU  Today, 11: 09 New
    t34 is the weapon of victory.
    ,, yes, it’s standing next to the house (in the park), right now homosexuals from Germany will raid, they will sing songs about the Great Reich, in the Red Army and weapons are bad, and the soldiers are not trained, etc., ,,, bully
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 19 July 2016 11: 33
      +1
      ,, otherwise everyone says bad weapons, if you remove something else from the parks,
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 19 July 2016 11: 35
        +4
        ,, cheers patriotism from Hariton got infected recourse ,,,
        1. bubalik
          bubalik 19 July 2016 11: 41
          +6
          ,, Here He is a Great Man ,,
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 July 2016 11: 56
            0
            Quote: bubalik
            ,, Here He is a Great Man ,,

            Sorry, accidentally clicked on minus request
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            3. bubalik
              bubalik 19 July 2016 12: 03
              +4
              Alexander Romanov (6) RU  Today, 11: 56 ↑
              ,, Well, from whom, I did not expect from you, laughing
              1. Lukich
                Lukich 19 July 2016 12: 44
                +5
                Quote: bubalik
                ,, Well, from whom, I did not expect from you,

                but he will not fail
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            5. Sashka
              Sashka 19 July 2016 12: 03
              +2
              I corrected your mistake! Put +
              Good day!
              1. bubalik
                bubalik 19 July 2016 12: 05
                -1
                Sashka RU  Today, 12: 03
                ,,thank drinks
                1. Sashka
                  Sashka 19 July 2016 14: 51
                  0
                  To your health!
                  drinks
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      3. Wolverine
        Wolverine 19 July 2016 12: 08
        +1
        in the DPR, they started the engine right on the pedestal and activated pushing the push zone into the rem zone ...
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 19 July 2016 19: 03
          +1
          There was such information about IS7
          1. goblin xnumx
            goblin xnumx 19 July 2016 23: 22
            +1
            is3 ...- there were no sevens- there were still heavy tanks- in the game they were called is 8- and is 7 was not ...
      4. Lukich
        Lukich 19 July 2016 12: 49
        +7
        Quote: bubalik
        otherwise everyone says bad weapons, if you remove something else from the parks,
        1. bubalik
          bubalik 19 July 2016 13: 01
          +1
          Lukich (4) SU  Today, 12: 49 ↑
          ,,, this is where, my photos from Samara ,,
          1. Lukich
            Lukich 19 July 2016 15: 58
            +1
            Quote: bubalik
            , this is where, my photos from Samara ,,

            don’t know where, but this photo was in Odnoklassniki as Anka machine guns)
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        3. novobranets
          novobranets 19 July 2016 13: 38
          +13
          In the photo, a gun and an artillery tractor. smile
          1. bubalik
            bubalik 19 July 2016 14: 11
            +2

            novobranets (3) SU  Today, 13: 38 ↑ New


            Pictured cannon and artillery tractor
            ,,, good I'm wallowing ,,, laughing+ + +
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        4. weksha50
          weksha50 19 July 2016 14: 10
          +2
          Quote: Lukich
          Lukich (4) Today, 12:49 PM ↑ New
          Quote: bubalik
          otherwise everyone says bad weapons, if you remove something else from the parks,



          Charger ... That's it ... laughing
        5. fif21
          fif21 19 July 2016 15: 43
          +4
          Quote: Lukich
          Quote: bubalik
          otherwise everyone says bad weapons, if you remove something else from the parks,

          Sergei ! Did she throw her now? belay
          1. Lukich
            Lukich 19 July 2016 15: 59
            +4
            Quote: fif21
            Sergei ! Did she throw her now?

            while the target chooses. vorogov because the sea)
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        7. Monarchist
          Monarchist 19 July 2016 19: 08
          +4
          Now I'll take the trunk and wave
        8. proud
          proud 19 July 2016 22: 12
          +3
          And is it that the tractor stands next to the gun?
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  8. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 19 July 2016 11: 22
    +1
    Is everything really so bad?
  9. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 19 July 2016 11: 33
    +1
    Yeah. These legendary cars were in service in many allied countries. And in 34 saw the T-100 and SU-1996 even in service with the Serbs in Serbian Krajina.
  10. kolkulon
    kolkulon 19 July 2016 11: 36
    0
    From 34k to 90s, and even ms? Weren't they cool?
    1. clidon
      clidon 19 July 2016 17: 18
      +1
      And now they really need it. They have a rowdy neighbor behind the wall.
  11. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 19 July 2016 11: 45
    0
    Quote: Muvka
    Quote: ramzes1776
    What are they T-90MS? We ourselves do not have them. The T-72B3 will be just right.

    Well, firstly, the MS is an export machine, and secondly, we will have a T-14.

    Where did you get that MS export machine? We need it in the troops, but how many will buy the T-14 at this price.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 19 July 2016 12: 48
      0
      Quote: ramzes1776
      Quote: Muvka
      Quote: ramzes1776
      What are they T-90MS? We ourselves do not have them. The T-72B3 will be just right.

      Well, firstly, the MS is an export machine, and secondly, we will have a T-14.

      Where did you get that MS export machine? We need it in the troops, but how many will buy the T-14 at this price.

      T-90SM is an export version of the T-90AM tank.
      Question removed?
    2. kolkulon
      kolkulon 19 July 2016 12: 55
      0
      UVZ initially introduced the T90ms as an export product.
  12. Leeder
    Leeder 19 July 2016 12: 16
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: BARKAS
    Maybe they need to make upgrades to start with the T-34MS

    It’s better for us to redeem them for the filming of films, but now instead of the T 34 I’m participating in some sort of BMP, disguised plywood.

    I would exchange for something that is in storage, but more recent. At least the same 54 matches. And what, the car is familiar to them, but for history, but in storage we still have so much trash ...
  13. Mercenary
    Mercenary 19 July 2016 12: 32
    +1
    And what? Let's pity the Vietnamese, throw some money on the purchase of a T-90 or better "Armata", and then write off the debt! And the main "writer" of the 30 billion debt will come out to our pensioners and repeat his famous "No money, but you are holding on" ?!
    Vietnamese border troops repelled the offensive of the Chinese regular army in 1977. So, let them ride the T-34 until they earn money for a new one.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 19 July 2016 12: 53
      +10
      But I remember how recently our country in some African countries, after writing off debts, began to have a stake in oil refineries and diamond producers (Zimbabwe, if I remember correctly). This does not include any kind of construction. I am sure that all debts that we write off will be returned to us in the long term with interest. We attribute them to conditions about which we, mere mortals, are unlikely to ever know.
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      2. Air Force Colonel
        Air Force Colonel 19 July 2016 17: 50
        +3
        Writing off public debt is CORRUPTION. Nobody forgave us a penny. The EBN took over everything, all the debts of the USSR, we paid everything for everyone with our oil, gas, and much more ... At the cost of our lives, it was kuevo. Now, to the tribal Baltic, mustachioed Georgians, narrow-eyed Uzbeks, mustachioed and nosed Tajiks, 404 country would write off the debts of the geyrop.
        1. clidon
          clidon 19 July 2016 19: 14
          +2
          First you need to prove to your opponents that they owe us something. The same Cuba or Vietnam.

          Yeltsin accepted not only debts, but also all Soviet foreign property and union assets.
        2. Mytholog
          Mytholog 19 July 2016 21: 50
          +2
          Not certainly in that way.
          In the overwhelming majority of cases, debt cancellation occurs only under certain conditions. For example, participation in "tasty" projects on the territory of the former debtor. Those. the debt is not "forgotten", but simply taken in another way.
          Although, of course, the element of corruption in this case is quite possible for itself, yes)
        3. T-73
          T-73 21 July 2016 08: 44
          +1
          So until wrong. Yes, Russia took upon itself the obligations of the USSR, yes - it was hard. But it's time to forget about it. The country was on its knees. I did not see anything cooked in the army except boiled capelin, and now? The tribe went to Kotelny in the winter. Yes, these marines will not go to the white bear. with a mortar at a margin. Slowly, it hurts, but we get up. Yes, there are no roads (although we have autobahns in the Murmansk province, there is something to compare with), prices are jumping, there is much more, but we don’t know ANYTHING. Let them decide. That's what democracy is. Unlike the peninsula.
      3. Come on
        Come on 20 July 2016 00: 35
        +1
        Quote: Muvka
        But I remember how recently our country in some countries of Africa, after writing off debts, began to have a share


        Do not be confused, debts were written off from your money as well, without asking you, except Vietnam, Cuba $ 36 billion, Venezuela and many others .. But if anyone benefits from this, be it construction, or oil business, it is close to to the body of "business", such as the Rotenbergs and Timchenoks, whose companies are registered in offshores and the Russian budget is unlikely to see even a penny. So, of course, you can dream and imagine how it would be great, but the reality is completely different.
      4. Zefr
        Zefr 20 July 2016 07: 54
        +1
        I am sure that all debts that we write off will be returned to us in the long term with interest. We attribute them to conditions about which we, mere mortals, are unlikely to ever know.
        Of course we don’t know. But it would be something to brag about, would they really not tell us?
  14. Gas truck
    Gas truck 19 July 2016 12: 47
    +2
    for an ambush and defense, any tank will do. the main thing is that the guidance devices and the gun were in good condition, but there were plenty of shells.
  15. Berkut24
    Berkut24 19 July 2016 12: 53
    +1
    Judging by the statistics in the article, Vietnam will change the T-90 for new cars in 70 years. And the T-90 itself will end its glorious journey on skating rinks from "Armata".
  16. sontinianin
    sontinianin 19 July 2016 13: 28
    0
    At the expense of gratitude, a controversial issue, they believe that this is entirely their merit, and about the deliveries and how they treated them, this is a different story!
    1. clidon
      clidon 19 July 2016 17: 22
      0
      Their gratitude is something remotely reminiscent of our gratitude to the Americans for Lend-Lease.
      "That is, of course, kind of like a big thank you, nooo bend your fingers with what we are unhappy with. And of course it was we who won, not your supplies. And in general, you seem to swear with the Americans, sometimes put up with, but here your strategic partner is pressing our legs ".
  17. romandostalo
    romandostalo 19 July 2016 17: 41
    +3
    Keep it up, the prada there in the photo is clearly not a hundred, but the SU-122 ...
    1. A.Lex
      A.Lex 20 July 2016 15: 21
      +2
      ... "prada" is for YOU su-122-54, and in the photo in the article su-100 ...
      How to bask - find 10 differences!
      To begin with, the front hatch of the Su-100 is structurally provided for the driver's hatch, and in your photo ...
      A clean su-122 has a shorter barrel and is installed differently - the M-30 howitzer, not the gun ....
  18. Air Force Colonel
    Air Force Colonel 19 July 2016 17: 41
    0
    Again on credit, again on credit, Then the Motherland writes everything to these friends. So what? Against whom should we arm Vietnam?
  19. Strashila
    Strashila 19 July 2016 18: 34
    +1
    The Vietnamese ... the Vietnamese, the Syrians would not have refused such a thing now.
    A tank will always remain a tank.
  20. Forever so
    Forever so 19 July 2016 21: 00
    +2
    In principle, putting protection on the armor and the car and the sau will still give a light in the battle. I personally liked them. so small, nimble.
  21. Sasha75
    Sasha75 19 July 2016 21: 00
    0
    In Hanoi, our Paziki UAZs are actively used. A friend showed me how they drip all our equipment. Our oil workers work. You can hardly distinguish our stores from sprats and condensed milk. I was shocked even in the Baltic))).
  22. proud
    proud 19 July 2016 22: 10
    +1
    Vietnamese can only be envied, this is a jerk st-34 at t-90ms. If they managed to direct a specific rustle in the jungle on the T-34, then they would even be scared to think about the T-90! And if they still want to buy a BMP-4, and a couple of S-400 divisions, in a word, the Americans and other evil spirits nervously smoke aside!
  23. tracer
    tracer 20 July 2016 04: 52
    +3
    As a precedent, the Druganians created a week ago. A tuned Mosin infantry rifle, a Soviet-made combat cartridge of the 60s, with a Vertex Viper 6-24 sight, took accuracy from 5 control shots (1,5 inch) for 100 yards .308 Ruger Precision rifle and half-automatic LMT .308 MWS.
    From my SCS of 1952, I squeeze a series on a cold barrel with a live cartridge (Romania) 2 inches with optics. This is how weapons were made before. Cheaper than modern at times, but in terms of performance ..... you can easily argue.
    1. Sinbad
      Sinbad 20 July 2016 13: 13
      +1
      That's right, firstly, the "Mosinka" has a longer barrel, and secondly - the technology for making the rifling of the barrel bore. The rifling in the barrel of a Mosin rifle was obtained by planing with a brush tapestry, an ancient method, low-performance, but of the highest quality.
  24. Lord blacwood
    Lord blacwood 20 July 2016 08: 28
    +1
    Vietnam does not need a large number of tanks, since there is a jungle, and in the jungle on tanks it is almost impossible to fight.
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  26. Nasty
    Nasty 20 July 2016 12: 07
    0
    MS is a cool tank, even we don’t. smile Will they have enough money? Or we will give a loan to buy tanks. Then we write off the interest. Then we'll write something else. And the Vietnamese leadership is breathing unevenly on America.
  27. Wolka
    Wolka 20 July 2016 13: 56
    0
    and deliveries of tanks from the Russian Federation will be for money or again "as a sign of gratitude and deep respect" ...
    1. tracer
      tracer 20 July 2016 15: 02
      0
      there Camran. And this is a bone in some throats. One way or another, the tanks will be there anyway.
  28. Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 20 July 2016 14: 43
    0
    Quote: silver_roman
    Cuba has been forgotten, but there is still logic in this. No one just forgives anything.
    It’s like in the story with Erdogany: here everyone shouted on the site, they say the dude apologized, didn’t take any punishment, a couple of tomatoes got off and that’s all, but in fact, I’m sure that they tried to arrange a coup for him. He made serious concessions. In general, the picture that we are shown in the media, and the one that is happening in reality, probably differ sometimes even in a mirror.

    Like Yanukovych on two Erdagan chairs now
  29. kindral1976
    kindral1976 20 July 2016 18: 26
    0
    From T34 to T90 right away ... I thought they would first be offered a T72.
  30. Raskolbas
    Raskolbas 20 July 2016 21: 45
    0
    Vietnamese just do not mind selling good equipment!
  31. T-73
    T-73 21 July 2016 08: 32
    0
    Good old platform. It's about reliability. Brought to mind, what else is needed? but you just need to look at the theater in Vietnam. Everything is simple
  32. Vivan
    Vivan 21 July 2016 09: 18
    +3
    The title of the article gives the impression that now the Vietnamese army continues to massively exploit the T-34. This is not entirely (more precisely: “not at all”) corresponds to reality.
    The PT-76 amphibious tanks were first used by the North Vietnamese army in February 1968 during the assault on the Làng Vây stronghold, 5 km southwest of the main U.S. Marine base Khezan (Khe Sanh, 30 km south of DMZ). Then 7 or 8 PT-76 tanks were delivered unassembled by truck to the jungle near Langway, and they were assembled there. The first use of the PT-76 was very effective - the Langway defense of the US marines and South Vietnamese rangers had no means against the tanks. Langway was taken.
    The T-34-85 tanks were massively used during Operation Lamshon-719 (Lam Sơn -719) to destroy the Ho Chi Minh trail and the base of the North Vietnamese army in South Laos in February-March 1971. This operation was the first serious test of combat readiness the South Vietnamese army in the process of Vietnamization of the war (until that moment, the US troops fought with the North Vietnamese army, the South Vietnamese army was assigned an auxiliary role - the protection of the lowland provinces and the fight against partisans). In this operation, the Americans only provided support with fire from the air, in the ranks of the advancing there was not a single American adviser. Back in October 1970, one of our scouts got a detailed plan of the operation and sent it to the General Staff in Hanoi, so that in this area 45 thousand soldiers and officers of the North Vietnam Army carefully prepared their positions and waited for the 25 thousandth South Vietnamese army. The operation turned out to be a complete failure for the enemy - in 20 days of fighting, the South Vietnamese army lost 12 thousand people killed, and the United States lost more than 700 (seven hundred!) Helicopters (data from the US itself - read the “War in Vietnam” by David Davidson on military.lib.ru) .
    Since 1972, the army of North Vietnam began to use the T54 / 55 and T-59 tanks (type 59 Chinese-made), the use of T-34 tanks was only episodic. After the war, a certain number of T-34 tanks remained, but they are most likely museum exhibits. Currently, the Vietnamese army does not operate T-34 tanks.