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Wagons with ammunition derailed on Sakhalin

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The press service of the Internal Affairs Directorate in the Sakhalin Region reports that four cars had derailed from one of the rail sections at one of the railway sections. In the cars, according to the latest information, ammunition was transported, including artillery shells. Informational portal Sakh.com cites data that the incident, as a result of which the cars did not just go off the rails, but partially overturned, occurred in the Smirnykhovsky District of the Sakhalin Region.




The derailment of railroad carriages took place on the 428-km km of the Pobedino-Onor section at the junction of the South Handas stopping point. According to some reports, the composition spontaneously started and fell within the railway deadlock.

The assembled cars are covered, the ammunition was not dispersed, but the danger of detonation remains. Recovery trains from Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk and Poronaisk, as well as a fire brigade, went to the scene of the incident. A railway commission arrived in the South Handas, as well as a commission from the district military personnel.

One of the versions of what happened - under the composition did not have time to install the "shoes". Another version - the military without the help of railway specialists tried to move the composition.

Car unloading continues in the presence of explosives experts. After unloading, the installation of cars on the railway track will begin. According to preliminary data, there are no victims of this incident. The train derailment within the deadlock did not affect the movement of trains along the main branch.
Photos used:
https://sakhalin.info/news/118859/
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 July 2016 07: 35
    +8
    It happens. Headache, of course. The guilty will be found and punished, the shells will be reloaded, partially disposed of ... This is life.
    1. insular
      insular 19 July 2016 07: 52
      -6
      "The more oak trees there are in the army, the stronger our defense is - we carry a round, a square ride" (C)
      1. Siberia 9444
        Siberia 9444 19 July 2016 12: 12
        +5
        Yes, where does the army! Oaks a lot oao rzd! They cut people down, they put together derections and no one is responsible for anything! The train is fastened together with the locomotive, with coasting, and even after uncoupling it in the spare tanks there is air and after the brake line is discharged, the air distributor is activated and the brakes come into effect so it can stand for several hours (without shoes until the air comes out). Do not have time to put fool and it’s just that they didn’t put it there or not, given the bias.
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    3. ava09
      ava09 19 July 2016 08: 03
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      It happens. Headache, of course. The guilty will be found and punished, the shells will be reloaded, partially disposed of ... This is life.

      An amazing ability to draw early conclusions without any reliable information. Media reports are not a court decision or even the results of an investigation ...
      1. insular
        insular 19 July 2016 08: 28
        +1
        Quote: ava09
        An amazing ability to draw early conclusions without any reliable information.

        In general, I agree with you. Just because of the news:
        According to a co-author of IA Sakh.com, train of four cars spontaneously set off and fell within a dead end
        and they immediately write that:
        According to the press secretary of the Sakhalin region Far Eastern Railways Sergey Dashchinsky, turned upside down four cars out of five. The fifth stayed on the rails

        wassat here it is, the magic fifth car ... it wasn’t, but it remained on the rails ... The media are such media, and especially ours, Sakhalin sakh.com in general is that icteric press.
        According to co-author of Sakh.com, the military violated the technology. Perhaps they didn’t put anti-theft shoes on, or they tried to move the train on their own, without the participation of railroad workers.
        As always, a source not named by Sakhkom, but sooo competent and incredibly knowledgeable (in fact, as always OBS).
        ______
        PS I wrote a comment there on sakh.com about the number of cars, so the message was immediately deleted by the moderator ... And you say the censor laughing
        1. Mahmut
          Mahmut 19 July 2016 10: 14
          -1
          It was not the "shoes" that they forgot to put on. Most likely, incorrect loading of shells caused the center of gravity to shift to the side. The road there is narrow-gauge and therefore capsized.
          1. your1970
            your1970 19 July 2016 15: 39
            +1
            "the road there is narrow-gauge" - purely visual-ordinary cars on the usual standard gauge. And by the way, 1 shoe on the rail is present. The right track is clearly running, the left dead-end track. Visually, the tracks are normal, usually the cars fall when there is a problem with the tracks.
            Loading? It is very unlikely that people sending such goods usually know how to load them. The probability that standard boxes have been piled up against one wall is very small. That supposedly the military began to roll something there themselves, maybe, but the likelihood that they have " the car "(locomotive) was very small, but driving along the tracks by hand / truck is quite possible - but in this case the speed is insignificant (if there is no slope) and not enough to fall. The carriages are sooo stable thing ...
            Is the probability that the first carriage went to the arrow and collapsed? Possible, but again the speed is low. Usually 1, less often 2 cars, the third one goes off - but it stands, 4 always stands on the rails. Here all 4 cars lay on their side (judging by photo from the NTV report). So most likely the speed was decent, maybe a big bias, maybe
            the car, it’s not people pushing.
            In addition, usually the railway workers (receivers) inspect the stacking of goods — I won’t lie for shells - I don’t know

            "Six people were evacuated from two nearby residential buildings," the police said. "- That is, this place is very far from the houses of the village, two houses are visible on the left and right.

            Now everything will run into the military:if the arrow was closed, they were completely to blame for violating ALL TB rules on railway. And this is correct, but what if the passenger walked along the main path there?
            1. andj61
              andj61 19 July 2016 16: 00
              +1
              Quote: your1970
              "there is a narrow-gauge road" - purely visual-ordinary wagons on the usual standard gauge.

              This is not a purely visual impression. The road there is really narrow gauge - a legacy of the Japanese past. request Only the narrow gauge is not the same as in Russia - 750 mm, but 1067.
              The Sakhalin region of the Far Eastern Railway is one of the service regions of the Far Eastern Railway that operates most of the railways of Sakhalin Island with a track gauge of 1067 mm. In 1992-2010 - a separate Sakhalin railway.

              Across the rest of Russia, track gauge
              1520 mm (it was switched from a gauge of 1524 mm, the transition took as much as 30 years, from 1970 to 1999). And in Japan it is still used as the main track 1067 mm, in Europe - mainly - 1435.
              1. your1970
                your1970 19 July 2016 19: 16
                0
                Is the legacy of the Japanese past unstable at once?
                "shift of the center of gravity to the side. The road is narrow-gauge there and therefore overturned"
                1. Mahmut
                  Mahmut 21 July 2016 06: 50
                  0
                  Loading? Very unlikely, people sending such goods usually know how to load them.
                  I myself loaded and unloaded wagons on this railway (that's why I know about the narrow gauge railway). At that time, I was a specialist - an ordinary soldier. And I have strong doubts that since then they have ceased to attract soldiers for loading and unloading operations.
                  a legacy of the Japanese past — and immediately unsustainable? shift of the center of gravity to the side. The road there is narrow-gauge and therefore overturned "
                  I appreciate your irony based on an unshakable faith in Japanese quality. But you did not take into account the fact that the Japanese had not only a track already, but narrow cars too. Here are passenger cars there still Japanese. And all our goods are domestic, wide.
        2. midivan
          midivan 19 July 2016 11: 20
          +1
          Quote: insular
          According to co-author of Sakh.com, the military violated the technology. Perhaps they didn’t put anti-theft shoes on, or they tried to move the train on their own, without the participation of railroad workers.

          laughing anti-theft shoes laughing make one more note - RUNNING laughing
        3. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 19 July 2016 12: 15
          0
          Quote: insular
          here it is, the magic fifth car ... wasn’t, but remained on the rails ...

          So ... four cars started off (having formed a train) and fell - and the fifth remained in place and on the rails. smile
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    5. siberalt
      siberalt 19 July 2016 08: 11
      0
      In the United States, planes with nuclear warheads are falling, and drunk people forget where they left the trucks with nuclear weapons. And then the Sakhalin media raised the "stink" of an overturned carriage with conventional ammunition. Better to let these media tell you who is the boss in the area, from which they get the money. laughing
      1. gray smeet
        gray smeet 19 July 2016 09: 24
        +1
        Various kinds of incidents that occurred out of stupidity are not unique to our army. These images show a damaged US Air Force Lockheed C-141 "Starlifter" aircraft, which, through the stupidity of Memphis airport staff, lost its wing. It happened on December 20, 2001, when the plane was being prepared for departure to an air base in Germany. After finding a leak in the second tank, the tankers filled the tank with compressed air to sound the leak. After the hole was found, it was patched up, but they forgot to release the air from the tank. Of course, at the time of refueling, the tank could not withstand the stress and burst, while also demolishing the wing structure.
        More photos here:
        http://trinixy.ru/132270-kak-amerikancy-samolet-zapravlyali-10-foto.html
    6. sub307
      sub307 19 July 2016 08: 19
      0
      "One of the versions of what happened was that they did not have time to install" shoes "for the train. Another version is that the military, without the help of railway specialists, tried to move the train."
      "In all ages and all peoples" all these versions were called "carelessness", which is also criminal negligence. The Yuzhnokhandasyans may begin to celebrate their second birthday on the occasion of the non-"produced" detonation of the described cargo.
      1. BARKAS
        BARKAS 19 July 2016 08: 29
        +4
        More like a malfunction and decay of the rolling stock as well as the tracks.
  2. Andrey K
    Andrey K 19 July 2016 07: 35
    +8
    One of the versions of what happened - under the composition did not have time to install the "shoes". Another version - the military without the help of railway specialists tried to move the composition.

    According to both versions - sheer sloppiness and headache.
    Any rules: loading, transportation, storage are written in blood. Because of these "if", "as if", "maybe it will carry", "and so it will come down" - almost all the emergency ...
    1. sanja.grw
      sanja.grw 19 July 2016 07: 57
      +1
      Each accident has a last name, first name and middle name! "- said the People's Commissar of Railway Transport Kaganovich.
      1. poacher
        poacher 19 July 2016 08: 27
        0
        in how, in a neighboring area of ​​emergency, and I only find out from here. what-no use.
    2. nick.guda
      nick.guda 19 July 2016 08: 34
      0
      most often sloppiness is punished by injuries or death, here, in general, very lucky fortunately for the culprits .... most importantly, no one was hurt
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 19 July 2016 07: 37
    +4
    The witness of the incident, the lineman Ivanov, at the time of the overturning of the cars, all life flew by before his eyes.
    1. svp67
      svp67 19 July 2016 08: 00
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      The witness of the incident, the lineman Ivanov, at the time of the overturning of the cars, all life flew by before his eyes.

      "And how much of that life" - said his Soul and oversight, hid in the heel
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 19 July 2016 08: 13
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      The witness of the incident, the lineman Ivanov, at the time of the overturning of the cars, all life flew by before his eyes.


      A gray-haired boy, passing at that moment towards the lineman, told reporters that he was not afraid of anything else in life.
    3. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 19 July 2016 08: 24
      -2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      The witness of the incident, the lineman Ivanov, at the time of the overturning of the cars, all life flew by before his eyes.

      The crawler Ivanov could not know what was inside the cars. He could only know the affiliation of the wagons.
      1. svp67
        svp67 19 July 2016 08: 38
        +1
        Quote: Алексей_К
        The crawler Ivanov could not know what was inside the cars. He could only know the affiliation of the wagons.

        Yeah, now, twice. He doesn’t know what the military is loading there, and even if he didn’t know, I think it’s not pleasant to see how the cars are going downhill on your section ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 July 2016 08: 45
          -1
          Quote: svp67
          . Then he doesn’t know what the military is loading there

          This is Aleksey K, he knows everything. He even knows that Atalef in Alpha served wassat
          In short, Sergey, we will indulgently treat Alexei K .... for obvious reasons lol
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 19 July 2016 14: 04
        0
        Quote: Алексей_К
        The crawler Ivanov could not know what was inside the cars.

        That is unlikely.
        2.1.19. Wagons and containers intended for the transport of dangerous goods, except for signs and inscriptions provided for by technical normative legal acts, must have danger signs corresponding to the nature of the cargo hazard
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 24 July 2016 22: 07
          0
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Quote: Алексей_К
          The crawler Ivanov could not know what was inside the cars.

          That is unlikely.
          2.1.19. Wagons and containers intended for the transport of dangerous goods, except for signs and inscriptions provided for by technical normative legal acts, must have danger signs corresponding to the nature of the cargo hazard

          This does not mean at all that the lineman can know what is in the cars. His direct duty is the serviceability of the railways. Only the head of the station can know approximately that. And then in your opinion it turns out that any loafer will point a finger at the train, in which ballistic nuclear missiles will soon be transported.
          This is definitely unlikely.
          My father-in-law served in the leadership of the Sverdlovsk-Sortirovochny Station. I know firsthand.
  4. Teberii
    Teberii 19 July 2016 07: 38
    0
    Here is a reason to do the piece of iron on Sakhalin. People are evacuated, I hope there will be no victims among the soldiers.
    1. insular
      insular 19 July 2016 07: 46
      0
      Yes, it seems they started to do it, but somehow it all died out ... And they put a three-string rail in places, but somehow everything somehow ...
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  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 July 2016 07: 42
    0
    Well did not explode shells. I think the specialists will cope without explosions.
  6. kind
    kind 19 July 2016 07: 57
    +2
    Quote: aszzz888
    Well did not explode shells. I think the specialists will cope without explosions.

    even if shells with fuses, nothing will happen. firstly they are corked. and secondly, to cock the fuse, he needs to give great acceleration.
    1. svp67
      svp67 19 July 2016 08: 02
      +3
      Quote: Good
      even if shells with fuses, nothing will happen. firstly they are corked. and secondly, to cock the fuse, he needs to give great acceleration.

      Nevertheless, a shell fallen from a height of more than one and a half meters should be disposed of.
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 19 July 2016 09: 38
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        a shell fallen from a height of more than one and a half meters should be disposed of

        HA HA HA !!! I’m telling you as a former RAVist with twenty years of experience working with ammunition, by the way, do not tell me the number of the order or directive on the XNUMX-meter drop and subsequent disposal?
        1. kind
          kind 19 July 2016 10: 29
          +1
          You are the right colleague! soldier
        2. your1970
          your1970 19 July 2016 15: 51
          0
          Anatole Klim
          during military service (artillery regiment-2C3, D-1, D-30, Grad, (BS-3 in OptADN)) - repeatedly loaded / unloaded shells-IS ALWAYS It was instructed - you can’t 1) drop it from a height of more than a meter, 2) stack piles above a certain height (from possible falls). It was motivated by the roll out of safety balls in the fuse and the possible burst of the projectile in the barrel when fired. Natural examples were given (2С3 with a rose - fired quickly but I found her) - since all the equipment was Afghan (except for D-1 and BS-3).
          In this case, NEVER talked about a possible explosion in the fall, i.e. personally we were not scaredalthough they could (I, for example, served as a sound technician in the BUiAR and I personally did not know those balls repeat )
          1. Anatole Klim
            Anatole Klim 19 July 2016 17: 03
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            Quote: your1970
            ALWAYS been instructed

            Yes, they instructed you correctly, I myself said the same thing at the briefing, but the situations were very different. In fact, artillery ammunition is not being transported by rail in an oxnar form (fuses separately in boxes), it is safer. They try to place the boxes with fuses in the carriage in the passage opposite the doors on the floor. Stacks of boxes in the car should be fastened with longitudinal and transverse rails, preventing obstruction from falling. This should be so.
            And now as it happened (before). A part is being disbanded, an order to hand over all ammunition, sent by rail to warehouses or bases. The main thing is to load everything that is in the cars, they say then we will come and we will sort and take in order to receive an acceptance certificate. The confusion, some are leaving, others are looking for a new place of service, someone was caught - go and load cars, he never did this and does not know. The soldiers themselves throw the boxes randomly, hammer on the roof of the car. Such transport arrives, and it begins, the carriage doors cannot be opened, the boxes are piled on the doors and jammed. Two of my ensigns climb onto the roof of the carriage, tear open the hatches and crawl through them into the carriage, open the drawers from the door, open the doors, the drawers crash to the ground, hang up, holding on to the gate, one even holds a corner so that it doesn’t hit the legs . Half of the boxes rotted, on the road they fell apart and the ammunition scattered around the site. And to hell with them, so that, as you say, the balls roll out, you need to give the shell acceleration as in the barrel, such acceleration will never give a fall, and roses turn out for a completely different reason. The next carriage, where the city projectile broke the end wall of the carriage and crawled out, the railroad workers also pushed - not angels, when loading incorrectly, they didn’t go diagonally, got out a little 20 centimeters and got stuck, the ensign tries to push him back with a boot, he takes a sledgehammer (bronze ) pounding, idle cork flies, screaming, the commander I have is full of them - screw a new one, finally he manages to push it back, unloading has begun, everything is fine ...
            1. your1970
              your1970 19 July 2016 19: 22
              0
              "and to hell with them, so that, as you say, the balls roll out, you need to give the projectile an acceleration like in the barrel, a fall such an acceleration will never give" -Why then have (another word) brains l / s ???? !!!! ! WHY make you sign in a SEPARATE magazine for loading / unloading RAV (and this except TB and PB)? Why lie to everyone about the shell in the barrel (a whole regiment, including our ensigns who are also dark in shells)?
            2. Baby doll
              Baby doll 19 July 2016 19: 33
              0
              Quote: Anatol Klim
              Unloading has begun, everything is fine ...

              To understand and appreciate everything described by you, you must serve and visit similar situations. Otherwise, you can't understand how it is with a sledgehammer, but a shell! And this is all the "reverse" side of the service, which civilians do not even suspect, so to speak, a working moment.
              But, it was a sledgehammer and probably precision !!! wassat
              1. Anatole Klim
                Anatole Klim 19 July 2016 20: 46
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                Quote: Pupsen
                like a sledgehammer, but in a shell!

                Yes, it’s normal, it’s without a fuse, the steel is good, strong, and the hexogen, so even a full day of snapping on it will still not explode!
                But, it was a sledgehammer and probably precision !!!

                Bronze just does not knock out sparks, and then in the car there were heaps of gunpowder scattered, but this is not a problem - a whisk and a shovel and in a box, then we will burn this disgrace.
  7. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 19 July 2016 08: 04
    0
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    There is reason to congratulate him. Vitenka la la la lalol
    1. midivan
      midivan 19 July 2016 11: 26
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Gentlemen, for a visitor to Saita

      Gay European "partners" to you gentlemen am! lol and then colleagues, friends, men, boys drinks
  8. Proud.
    Proud. 19 July 2016 08: 40
    +1
    "... One of the versions of what happened - they did not have time to install" shoes "under the train. Another version is that the military, without the help of railway specialists, tried to move the train ..." -... And a torn-off railway bogie. Perhaps the case is in the deplorable state of these cars ? Like version.
    1. your1970
      your1970 19 July 2016 15: 57
      0
      "... And a torn-off railway bogie. Could it be that these cars are in a deplorable state? As a version." - Russian Railways does not let its own / leased cars if they are expired and not serviced - repair plants are all under Russian Railways - if you want / don't want to pay Russian Railways: Russian Railways already has quite a few cars of its own, but they also serve them on time ...
      Trolley dropping out is a standard situation in such situations
  9. Pencil
    Pencil 19 July 2016 08: 53
    0
    It can be seen that the sleepers are rotten ...
  10. Air Force Colonel
    Air Force Colonel 19 July 2016 09: 09
    +1
    In trains until the 30s of the XX century, there was such a position as "brake conductor". There is even the famous song "Here is a train rushing downhill" - an adaptation of the equally famous miner's "Konogon":

    Here is a train racing downhill
    Thick Siberian taiga.
    And to the young driver
    Braking conductor screams:

    "Oh, hush, hush, for God's sake,
    We can fall downhill!
    Here is the Transbaikal road,
    You can’t collect your bones ...
    1. Baby doll
      Baby doll 19 July 2016 11: 07
      0
      The conductor profession has disappeared, but covered wagons with brake pads are still found. Military order such cars in trains to accommodate sentries during movement.
  11. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 19 July 2016 10: 09
    0
    Rather, the military rolled, or interfered with the normal work of the railway workers.
    Such cargo was accompanied by a guard, apparently the fifth wagon and was a guard. It is easy to imagine that the cars were pushed for sorting, and the guards forbade the sorting brigade to approach the cars, so, as you can see in the photo, they flew to the arrow, where they were not expected, or were specially knocked out of the way so that these cars would not get on highway.
    1. Baby doll
      Baby doll 19 July 2016 10: 59
      +3
      Quote: chunga-changa
      Rather, the military rolled, or interfered with the normal work of the railway workers.

      What happened is to figure it out, but one thing is clear: the rules for the transportation of discharge goods have been violated.
      Quote: chunga-changa
      cars pushed on sorting

      Judging by the photo, it doesn’t pull at sorting (there should be a “slide” or “half-hill.”) And again, wagons with bit loads should not be lowered off the hill without a locomotive, but during maneuvers they should not be pushed. The guard (escort team) is prohibited from interfering with the work of railway workers.
      My version: the railroad workers put the train cars on the adjoining path, and the military tried to move the cars for unloading without a locomotive (rolling a crowd of 5 cars is not a problem, and they probably did it before), but something went wrong (m. at hand of shoes) and the cars went downhill, and the arrow was in the wrong position, the cars went off the rail exactly on the arrow and capsized. But this is only an assumption, correct if I am mistaken ...
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 19 July 2016 11: 34
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        Quote: Pupsen
        My version...

        In principle, I support it, I myself pushed the cars with a crowd for unloading, but I insured myself with a loaded Ural, they hooked it to the outer car with ropes and slowly pushed, the tension cables did not allow the cars to accelerate, then you cannot stop. Of course I violated, I confess, but there was nowhere to go, as always urgently, faster, just try not to unload in time ...
        but covered wagons with brake pads are still found. Military order such cars in trains to accommodate sentries during movement.

        As far as I know, sentries are not currently set while driving on brake pads. They are put up to protect cars during parking and train stops, one walks on one side of the cars, the second on the other.
        1. Baby doll
          Baby doll 19 July 2016 11: 58
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          Quote: Anatol Klim
          Sentinels are not currently set while driving on brake pads.

          Each type or type of troops has its own characteristics. Some soldiers put a fighter with a radio station (telephone) into the inoperative cabin of a locomotive for operational communication of the head of the echelon (guard) with the train brigade.
          Quote: Anatol Klim
          I repent

          Unfortunately, fathers-commanders (bosses) often find themselves between a rock and a hard place, i.e. in any case in a "cancerous" position. But what to do, the specifics of military service: to carry out the instruction, order, order exactly and on time, but how - the superiors do not care ...
      2. 76rtbr
        76rtbr 19 July 2016 14: 39
        +1
        along the way it was, overturning on the turnout, rolled over to the wit, the current I can not understand why the brake shoe is installed behind the limit column, there is a dezh. the station with the DS-ohm is not weakly taken away from the NOD, the technology of securing the cars at the station is violated for sure!
        1. Baby doll
          Baby doll 19 July 2016 15: 06
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          Quote: 76rtbr
          why the brake shoe is installed behind the limit column

          So it was there, probably after "that" was installed!
          1. 76rtbr
            76rtbr 20 July 2016 00: 00
            0
            why, the wagons on their side already, the station workers in confusion, do not know how to act in emergency situations? they put a shoe under a lying car, it will not be any worse!
      3. your1970
        your1970 19 July 2016 15: 58
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        there you can see that the arrow went down
  12. Belarusian with a Russian heart
    Belarusian with a Russian heart 19 July 2016 20: 51
    -1
    How easy is it to blame everything on the allegedly traditional Slavic, in particular Russian slovenliness, and not intentionally, or have the ill-wishers been translated? At the time of I.V. Stalin for such "slovenliness" for 20 years of top quality rail-laying work is easy, and then they knew how to "look at the root." The special services would not hurt to scan the responsible workers around the site. And, of course, this is a consequence of more than 20 years of destruction of technological discipline among both railwaymen and army men, how many modern soldiers know the Charter by heart?
    1. your1970
      your1970 20 July 2016 00: 01
      0
      Belarusian with a Russian heart
      lack of discipline in this case, only the military, why did they push the carriage to the closed arrow?