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In the US, told about the conditions of issue of Gulen Ankara

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US Secretary of State John Kerry, commenting on Erdogan’s demands for the extradition of the preacher Fethullah Gülen, said that Washington has not yet received an official request from Ankara. Recall that the President of Turkey made an emotional speech, in which he stated that the United States should extradite Gülen to Turkey, who called him “the leader of terrorists number one”.


Erdogan said that the Ministry of Justice had sent a request for the extradition of Fethullah Gülen to the USA.

According to John Kerry, even if the request is received, Gülen will be issued to Ankara in one single instance. To do this, Ankara must provide evidence that it was Gülen who was involved in organizing the attempted coup d'état in Turkey. The US Secretary of State added that there must be legal grounds for issuing Gulen.

What evidence will Erdogan provide, and will there be, if any? - the question is still open.

It is known that Gulen himself announced his condemnation of the actions of the rebels in Turkey. The press service of the preacher leads his words:
I strongly condemn the attempted coup by the military in Turkey. The government should not be changed by force, but by fair and free elections. Now I pray for Turkey, the Turkish people and for everyone in Turkey. I ask the Lord to solve this problem in the fastest and most peaceful way.



Over the past 50 years, every soldier tasted the horror of the coup, and with this attempt will be tainted honor. I unconditionally reject such slander.


Against this background, attention is drawn to the information that Turkey has declared its readiness to reconsider the policy of relations with Washington if the US authorities refuse to extradite Gulen. This statement was made by Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım.

TV channel CNN Turk reports that a few hours ago, an unknown person opened fire at the court building in Ankara at the moment when several generals were taken to court who took part in the attempted coup d'état. Later it turned out that the gunman was a Turkish military.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 18 July 2016 14: 35
    +8
    Found a scythe on a stone. But the meerkathos will get out.
    1. gray smeet
      gray smeet 18 July 2016 14: 36
      +6
      Inside Turkish showdown, with presentation to the USA .. laughing The production, however ... The plot - good
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 18 July 2016 14: 40
        +9
        In the US, told about the conditions of issue of Gulen Ankara

        The United States is clearly hinting: take a walk, Erdogan! No.
        1. cniza
          cniza 18 July 2016 14: 56
          +6
          It seems that Turkey has passed the line of no return and soon there will be big changes in the entire region, all state maps will change.
          1. st25310
            st25310 18 July 2016 15: 54
            +13
            How rapidly events are developing in the world! The EU and the United States entered Ukraine and the EU began to crumble. Turkey shot down the plane and Erdogan’s throne staggered, and NATO’s integrity is now in question + the US is turning into an enemy of Turkey. Very reminiscent of judo, where the strength of the enemy turns against him ... wink
          2. sgazeev
            sgazeev 18 July 2016 17: 55
            0
            Quote: cniza
            It seems that Turkey has passed the line of no return and soon there will be big changes in the entire region, all state maps will change.

            The Turks even bark at the owner, but do not bite, and the psheks constantly whine, well, take me, take me. laughing
          3. Orionvit
            Orionvit 18 July 2016 18: 39
            +2
            It seems that Turkey has passed the line of no return and soon there will be big changes in the entire region, all state maps will change.
            Yeah, due to Turkey. All neighboring countries, in relation to Turkey, have accumulated a lot of unpaid bills. Here you have Greece, Cyprus, Armenia, and Bulgaria, not to mention Syria and Iraq. For hundreds of years of their Ottoman empire, the Turks managed to shit their neighbors in such a way that they have no allies. About Kurds and other minorities, I will not say anything. Yes, I completely forgot about Russia.
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        3. volot-voin
          volot-voin 18 July 2016 15: 18
          +3
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          The United States is clearly hinting: take a walk, Erdogan!

          The USA will not allow themselves to be pushed around, and will give a big shish to Erdogan instead of Gulen. Erdogan is more of a servant for them, not an equal partner, but Gulen's way of putting pressure on him.
          1. razmik72
            razmik72 18 July 2016 15: 25
            +5
            Quote: volot-voin
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            The United States is clearly hinting: take a walk, Erdogan!

            The USA will not allow themselves to be pushed around, and will give a big shish to Erdogan instead of Gulen. Erdogan is more of a servant for them, not an equal partner, but Gulen's way of putting pressure on him.

            Soon the United States will attend to the Armenian Genocide and begin to discuss this issue in the US Congress. I have no doubt about this, we turned the issue of the Armenian Genocide into a lifesaver.
            1. sgazeev
              sgazeev 18 July 2016 18: 01
              0
              Quote: razmik72
              Quote: volot-voin
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              The United States is clearly hinting: take a walk, Erdogan!

              The USA will not allow themselves to be pushed around, and will give a big shish to Erdogan instead of Gulen. Erdogan is more of a servant for them, not an equal partner, but Gulen's way of putting pressure on him.

              Soon the United States will attend to the Armenian Genocide and begin to discuss this issue in the US Congress. I have no doubt about this, we turned the issue of the Armenian Genocide into a lifesaver.

              In the USA, 483 (366 census) [2010] or 6 (estimate, origin), Armenians, so it’s quite possible.
              1. V.ic
                V.ic 18 July 2016 18: 32
                -1
                Quote: sgazeev
                IN USA,483 366 (2010 census) [6] or 1 500 000 (assessment, origin), Armenians,

                Timerunning decent.
              2. Orionvit
                Orionvit 18 July 2016 18: 41
                +4
                The Armenian lobby in Washington is one of the most influential. So anything is possible. Another point surprises me. Since when did the states concern themselves with respecting the rule of law. In my opinion, they always spat on the legality and the norms of international law. It seems they are merging Turkey in its current form. In all likelihood, they will unleash a civil war as they know how. Moreover, it is already evident that through their efforts, Turkey has already matured. Erdrgan, soon wait for your igil brothers at home.
                1. avt
                  avt 18 July 2016 19: 08
                  +6
                  Quote: Orionvit
                  The Armenian lobby in Washington is one of the most influential.

                  wassat And where does Gulen ?? He generally Jewish roots, and not shemshil and this is not an argument manhole with shimshil.
                  Quote: Orionvit
                  In all likelihood, they will unleash a civil war as they know how.

                  With the cleansing of the Kemalist beginning in the Turkish army and the further Islamization of Turkey, and Erdogan is strictly following the anti-Kemal schedule, the likelihood of Turkey's sirization increases with each repressed officer inexorably. It was the Turkish army that brought order to the country in the last coup, when, almost like in Russia in the 90s, leftists, nationalists and just bandits were slaughtered in the streets in joyful stabbing. The army men put things in order by cutting off everyone indiscriminately, and the Germans invested in resorts, and somehow secular Turkey really became the strongest regional power in all areas. But better - the enemy of the good, some individuals wanted the Sublime Port No. 2, well, in the end you will get the "Sick Man of Europe No. 2" request
                  1. Simple
                    Simple 18 July 2016 20: 00
                    -1
                    Quote: avt
                    With the stripping of the Kemalist principle in the Turkish army and the further Islamization of Turkey, and Erdogan is clearly following the schedule of anti-Kemal, the likelihood of Turkey’s Sirization increases with each repressed officer inexorably.



                    The "Siriization" of events in Turkey is by no means beneficial to the United States.

                    What for? To then introduce a restraining contingent to again establish constitutional order?


                    I think all of his (Erdogan's) body movements in recent years have simply been pulling a knot around his neck.
                    1. avt
                      avt 18 July 2016 20: 36
                      +2
                      Quote: Simple
                      The "Siriization" of events in Turkey is by no means beneficial to the United States.

                      laughing laughing Especially after you hanged your Saddam on the board, after allowing him to attack Kuwait, and a written response was received in the WRITTEN answer from the US AMBASSADOR to Iraq, this is yours
                      Quote: Simple
                      What for?

                      laughing Well delights! . laughing And why at the time of it Enver Pasha, when asked to accept Turkey into the Entente, the naglosaks, though they were shaved then, said - fuck you? In general, Turkey's neutrality will be considered only during the war. They practically pushed Turkey into an alliance with Germany and ... divided it into pieces, but then the Bolsheviks and Comrade Frunze intervened with the resident of the Cheka in Istanbul Baturin. And who now, as in the days of the Versailles Peace, Wilson drew Crimea from Russia on the map, drew and published a new map of the region with new borders and countries, one of which, "was drawn" Kurdistan? wassat Rejoice at the answer of the ignorant bully I don’t know who, rather through German agents, but the army team was given a real false start, or maybe Erdogash was honored, so now he will actually execute anti-Kemal and cut the army in a way that no Kurds could have managed in ten years. This is really not the decision that Erdogan made, well, allowing the graduates of madrassas, but in fact, stubborn Islamists, to enter military institutions, today there is a better chance, he will bank in full and, as events show, not only for army men will be paid off from everyone in the end, "Kresta" - he and the referendum to change the constitution now like two fingers ... no need - easily overtake parliament and NOBODY will now grunt - he removed immunity from them.
                      1. Simple
                        Simple 18 July 2016 21: 50
                        -2
                        Quote: avt
                        Especially after having hanged his on Saddam's board, ...



                        Explain to me why the US is destabilizing a member country of NATO? recourse

                        How Erdogan will break his neck, few people will be interested, preferably with the least problems for Turkey itself.


                        Quote: avt
                        Well delights!


                        In the West, completely different problems are now brewing on the nose — economic — looking for sales markets everywhere except Russia.

                        This is similar to how Ukraine tried to buy coal in South Africa.

                        And oil, infection, for some reason cheap - not always there is gut. recourse

                        In general, I don’t see any gesheft from the collapse of Turkey for the West (and for the USA as well).



                        smile
                      2. avt
                        avt 18 July 2016 23: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Simple
                        Explain to me why the US is destabilizing a member country of NATO?

                        wassat Do you seriously think that NATO membership is some kind of guarantee that the USA will not be thrown into the furnace for the sake of some kind of its construction of the world order! ??
                        Quote: Simple
                        In the West, completely different problems are now brewing on the nose - economic

                        Well, just remember who was the first to come to Iraq and began to steer it with oil and how many papers with images of dead presidents were thrown, well, like, "to restore the economy", and before that, after the collapse of the USSR, tons of the same cut, painted paper were transported to all the fragments Empires and most of all to Russia. They are scavengers in life, but not suicides - they cannot decide at once through the World War to zero the losses - they are stupidly afraid of destruction from Russia, or China, they will ... yes, they actually zero out in parts in the chaos of regional conflicts What is actually an objective reality given to the sensation, and the Turks will burn out - all one in the plus of the Yankees, and it is even more fun for them to set fire to Arabia, but here some of their important people have a business collapsing, in particular, the Bush family, tied with the Saud. Sarkozy wrote off the obsessive creditor - Gaddafi with the blessing of the same US, who got even more from this. Take at least how they soften the EU as refugees in imposing a trade transatlantic agreement.
                      3. Simple
                        Simple 19 July 2016 16: 17
                        0
                        Quote: avt
                        Do you seriously think that NATO membership is some kind of guarantee that the USA will not be thrown into the furnace for the sake of some kind of its construction of the world order! ??



                        In this case, I think.

                        It is easier for them to replace a person (group of persons) than to lose Turkey as a whole as an ally.


                        Quote: avt
                        Well, just remember who first came to Iraq ...


                        My personal opinion is that the West does not need a split in Turkey for these realities (Maybe it would be, to some extent, beneficial, but not now).

                        Your correctness or prejudice can be checked only by time.

                        How long will we wait? smile

                    2. ando_bor
                      ando_bor 18 July 2016 23: 58
                      0
                      Turkey tried to show independence in some issues, for example, it did not join the sanctions, and the United States is punished for disobedience by default, regardless of the rest.
                    3. Simple
                      Simple 19 July 2016 16: 33
                      0
                      Quote: ando_bor
                      Turkey tried to show independence in some issues, for example, it did not join the sanctions, and the United States is punished for disobedience by default, regardless of the rest.




                      Twenty five again. ...

                      Between an objectionable person (clan, sharashka, sect, call it whatever you like.) And the whole country there is (from the word in general) a logical equal sign.

                      While the strategic alliance brings dividends, this alliance continues. If someone interferes, they will simply remove him.

                      It's another matter when the "minuses" of such an alliance begin to outweigh the "pluses" of the strong side. ... then (in this case) the collapse of Turkey is possible.

                      Understand that many processes in geopolitics go hand in hand with whether this or that process will bring benefits now, or maybe it will not be necessary as an option.
    2. The stranger
      The stranger 19 July 2016 03: 58
      -1
      No, Gulen is a stronger remedy. Roughly speaking - it is a "Turkish spring", similar to the Arab one.
      Erdogan is an Islamist. Gulen is even more Islamist, and therefore the Turkish opposition did not support the coup, as he learned that he was behind him.
      Well, here is another daub for the CIA - obviously there are absolutely no specialized specialists left there. Yes, and God be with them.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 19 July 2016 18: 02
        0
        Quote: Alien
        No, Gulen is a stronger remedy. Roughly speaking - it is a "Turkish spring", similar to the Arab one.
        Erdogan is an Islamist. Gulen is even more Islamist, and therefore the Turkish opposition did not support the coup, as he learned that he was behind him.
        Well, here is another daub for the CIA - obviously there are absolutely no specialized specialists left there. Yes, and God be with them.

        Turn on your brains. Gulen was not there. There was Erdogan. Look who benefits.
  2. poquello
    poquello 18 July 2016 19: 39
    0
    Quote: SRC P-15
    In the US, told about the conditions of issue of Gulen Ankara

    The United States is clearly hinting: take a walk, Erdogan! No.

    I ask the Lordso that he resolves this problem in the fastest and most peaceful way.

    I even read something at first - I ask the State Department
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 July 2016 16: 43
    -3
    Quote: gray smeet
    Inside Turkish showdown, with presentation to the USA .. laughing The production, however ... The plot - good

    So here you are - the death of Erdogan!
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 18 July 2016 18: 58
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      So here you are - the death of Erdogan!

      While Erogan is leading the ball to the opponents' field. And by the way, there is a fairy tale about death, reread it! Oh yes, you are a lazy person! Well, personally for you: "Koscheyev's death is at the end of the needle, that needle is in the egg, then the egg is in the duck, that duck is in the hare, that hare is in the chest, and the chest is on a tall oak tree, and that Koschey's tree protects his own eye." So the factor of the second largest army in NATO, control of the flow of refugees to Geyropa (with which this asp is holding Geyropa by the testicles), the possible continuation of the construction of South Stream, more than 50% support from its electorate, all these factors now allow the Sultan "growl against the" big boss "!
      1. The stranger
        The stranger 19 July 2016 03: 51
        0
        No, this is an ariegard battle. He will be killed, more like a Gaddafi than a Saddam.
        The flow of refugees to the geyropu was covered up. The Greeks told Merkelikha that they were either refugees or a debt to a huge cloud of billiards, and she bit her tongue in the middle of the fork. We have not been dealt with, but we still have the wrong experience - the government hid in time behind the partisan actions of the population. Which by the way, has very decent skills, and just in that geographical area. Even the military, and as for the partisan and counter-partisan ones, so do not grieve. 600 years - no matter how small.
        There, locals certainly understood 200 words of globalistic English, and refused to forget 2 years of traditional Bulgarian. By the way, in the same scenario, in the 000st it’s just a war, turned into the Patriotic War. This is not difficult for you to understand.
        And yerdogash kirdyk, even though he is now and as if on takeoff. There, the entire officer corps - from West Point, and this whole crowd - from the jail - but to the gallows ... :)
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 19 July 2016 10: 28
        0
        Quote: V.ic
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        So here you are - the death of Erdogan!

        While Erogan is leading the ball to the opponents' field. And by the way, there is a fairy tale about death, reread it! Oh yes, you are a lazy person! Well, personally for you: "Koscheyev's death is at the end of the needle, that needle is in the egg, then the egg is in the duck, that duck is in the hare, that hare is in the chest, and the chest is on a tall oak tree, and that Koschey's tree protects his own eye." So the factor of the second largest army in NATO, control of the flow of refugees to Geyropa (with which this asp is holding Geyropa by the testicles), the possible continuation of the construction of South Stream, more than 50% support from its electorate, all these factors now allow the Sultan "growl against the" big boss "!

        If you think reading fairy tales as work, then do the work well, do not be lazy and read the tale to the end. How did it end there? It is very interesting there, I assure you.
        Now think a little bit. Last showdown:
        1. Riots in Turkey in 2013, Gezi Park
        2. Riots in Turkey in 2015
        3. The attempt (?) Of the 2016 coup.
        The introduction of the death penalty, which Erdogan needs, to completely eradicate the opposition, will lead to the closure of borders, through a series of stages of blackmailing each other. Refugees will remain in Turkey, Kurds, ISIS, terrorist attacks, social tensions will only increase, and national ones are not far away. And how much, a year, two, three ... Allah knows. And the needle is Gulen in the USA.
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 19 July 2016 11: 05
          0
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          The introduction of mortal ... And how much, a year, two, three ... Allah knows.

          Highlighted the text, which I will not deny. I completely agree with this thesis from your fortune-telling from a cup of coffee in Turkish. However, keep it simple. All THERE will be! A year earlier ... A year later ...
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 19 July 2016 17: 26
            0
            Quote: V.ic
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            The introduction of mortal ... And how much, a year, two, three ... Allah knows.

            Highlighted the text, which I will not deny. I completely agree with this thesis from your fortune-telling from a cup of coffee in Turkish. However, keep it simple. All THERE will be! A year earlier ... A year later ...

            You are raving. I say that Erdogan signed a verdict with his putsch, and you are great. Today, Angichans, Italians, Turks and ours (for rations) say - stage production. Erdogan won the tactics and lost the prospect (strategy).
            1. Among the judges dismissed - 5 members of the Supreme Judicial Council. (what are they doing for me to find out laziness, Well, you figure it out)
            2. A message flashed displaced from the seats of 3000 judges. Flashed yesterday, but if at least something is true, then the lists were ready for a long time, that's for sure.
            3. I repeat again, for the gifted. He is not interested in the army, he is interested in the law and the judicial system. Law to establish personal power and executors of personal will. He despises the army, but controls through his special services.
            1. V.ic
              V.ic 19 July 2016 18: 28
              0
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              I say that Erdogan signed a verdict with his putsch and you are allah great.

              Point your finger at my quote in this thread, where I IT stated !?
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              He despises the army, but controls through his special services.

              Dig into I-net how many times did the German military "sharpen their teeth" on their "favorite Fuhrer"? However, Hitler "bent" them and they briskly marched backwards up to the Elbe and Spree, but still died for the Reich and the Fuehrer.
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              You are raving.

              Are you firmly confident in your IMMortality?
              1. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 19 July 2016 19: 02
                0
                V.ic (7) RU
                Are you firmly confident in your IMMortality?

                You are raving.
                1. Mavrikiy
                  Mavrikiy 19 July 2016 19: 43
                  0
                  By the way, 7 is the number of killed babies?
                  1. V.ic
                    V.ic 20 July 2016 07: 08
                    0
                    Quote: Mavrikiy
                    You are raving.

                    Quote: Mavrikiy
                    By the way, 7 is the number of killed babies?

                    Inhumanitas, superbia, mania mortem ... Are there too many diagnoses for you? Most likely stultitia!
                  2. Mavrikiy
                    Mavrikiy 21 July 2016 20: 33
                    0
                    Quote: V.ic
                    Quote: Mavrikiy
                    You are raving.

                    Quote: Mavrikiy
                    By the way, 7 is the number of killed babies?

                    Inhumanitas, superbia, mania mortem ... Are there too many diagnoses for you? Most likely stultitia!

                    Bullshit turned into fever, I'm not special, I wash my hands.
                    (It is very common among the ALMIGHTY)
  • Asadullah
    Asadullah 18 July 2016 16: 45
    +11
    The staging, however ..


    Domestic? Most of all I am surprised by such conclusions. What are they based on, from information from the scene, on powerful intellect, or on personal hostility towards Erdogan?

    Then let's see who participated in the coup. The Air Force, together with the commander, is operatively subordinated to NATO command, 1st brigade 52nd brigade - operational subordination to NATO command, 66th mechanized brigade, operatively subordinate to NATO command, east-antiterror special forces - operational subordination to NATO command, Rear Admiral Atilla Demirkhan arrested , who had just returned from a business trip to the United States the day before, and the frigate Yawuz generally carried out strange activities, cruising from the coast of Syria, to Mount Whitney and back to Geljuk. This is a type of accident. And the shelter of the rebels at NATO bases, so-so, well, they like it there ..... you think they closed the sky and turned off the light .....

    Of course, Erdogan is not a friend of Russia, just like Turkey is not a friend, but it may be worthwhile to turn on the brain at least sometimes and turn off emotions in order to understand what is more important for Russia, to speak and conduct business with one leader, even with his cockroaches in his head, or the common anti-Russian front of Western countries. Oh yes, Erdogan shot down our plane, killed a pilot, military personnel, but in the light of recent events there is a guarantee that he was not confronted with a fact, and he, as a leader, had to voice popular speeches for the people. The State Department was painfully unhealthy, after his apologies and the process of normalizing relations began.
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  • siberalt
    siberalt 18 July 2016 14: 42
    -2
    Gulen seems to be better off banging than betraying. Erdogan’s personal enemy. Or few of them, and not even from Pennsylvania?
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 18 July 2016 15: 17
      +5
      Quote: siberalt
      Gulen seems to be better off banging than betraying. Erdogan’s personal enemy.
      - All this fuss is deeply parallel to us. What a show off of America, what a howl of Erdogan. Russia should fuck as much as possible out of all these ICH troubles.
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 18 July 2016 16: 54
        +13
        - All this fuss is deeply parallel to us. What a show off of America, what a howl of Erdogan. Russia should fuck as much as possible out of all these ICH troubles.


        How is parallel? The fact that Turkey, with the second largest NATO army, its entire history of membership in this organization, has been honed as an implacable enemy of Russia? And now, when there was an obvious opportunity to shatter this bastion of anti-Russian forces in the south, it is necessary to pretend that it does not concern us? Damn, legs in hand, and shatter big! Wise guys, b.
      2. The stranger
        The stranger 19 July 2016 04: 20
        0
        So it is - "all inclusive". Keep it on.
        That Su has not yet burned out on the earth, the requiem has not yet been served, and the Russians, God forgive me, ladies, with a very characteristic Moscow dialect, annoying even me - a foreigner, are already giving interviews from Marmaris and Istanbul how frightened they are, and how vicious Putin lingers with their evacuation. After all, everything is included.
        Since ALL - then probably zinc. So wait for Tulip, he certainly will not forget his 200 goods.
  • Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 18 July 2016 14: 56
    +7
    Quote: aszzz888
    But the meerkathos will get out.
    How? To extradite Gulen is to lose face. because the states of political emigrants do not give out. Do not betray Guden - lose the location of the most important ally in the Middle East. Little breast, however ..
    It would be easier to bang Erdogan, but only now he will become a hundredfold more careful.
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 18 July 2016 15: 03
      -1
      Look, let dill be better for them, they will give Chubarov and Dzhamilev, although they don’t need them.
      1. sgazeev
        sgazeev 18 July 2016 18: 10
        -1
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        Look, let dill be better for them, they will give Chubarov and Dzhamilev, although they don’t need them.

        So they Svidomo and fat eat, not Orthodox.
    2. Altona
      Altona 18 July 2016 15: 16
      +1
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      How? To extradite Gulen is to lose face. because the states of political emigrants do not give out.

      -------------------
      States do not give out a source of concern at all. He himself may be needed for provocations.
    3. volot-voin
      volot-voin 18 July 2016 15: 21
      -1
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Yudena - lose the location of a major ally in the Middle East.

      Better to lose Erdogan than face. Erdogans come and go, and with a face then live the rest of their lives.
      Maybe it will be more profitable for the mattress to drain Erdogan, through a more successful thoughtful revolution.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 19 July 2016 19: 34
        0
        Quote: volot-voin
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Yudena - lose the location of a major ally in the Middle East.

        Better to lose Erdogan than face. Erdogans come and go, and with a face then live the rest of their lives.
        Maybe it will be more profitable for the mattress to drain Erdogan, through a more successful thoughtful revolution.

        Dear, person for the USA, this is where it is. After what they did on B. Vostok, what face and who looks at him, who needs it? Everyone is looking into the wallet, but how much do I need? Dot.
    4. nerd.su
      nerd.su 18 July 2016 15: 58
      -1
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      To extradite Gulen is to lose face. because the states of political emigrants do not give out. Do not betray Guden - lose the location of the most important ally in the Middle East. Little breast, however ..

      Give money.

      Quote: Ami du peuple
      It would be easier to bang Erdogan, but only now he will become a hundredfold more careful.

      Much easier to bang Gulen. And give money (other goodies that Erdogan needs). All problems are solved.

      The question is, what kind of buns in this situation shine for us. And what kind of buns (slap in the face?) To give Erdogan to get them?
      1. volot-voin
        volot-voin 18 July 2016 17: 32
        0
        Quote: bot.su
        Much easier to bang Gulen.

        You can bang Gulen and blame Erdogan. Gulen is old, and he won’t last so long, and he is dead in the USA, if only as a victim of a tyrant.
      2. The stranger
        The stranger 19 July 2016 04: 31
        0
        Have you finished seven classes? Did you hear the word "history"?
        The consequences of their advice, embodied in their life imagine?
        Change the dealer, they sold you something wrong.
    5. The stranger
      The stranger 19 July 2016 04: 59
      0
      Well bang, of course. If you agree so that without a roar at the UN, then the dump truck with rubble will move the motorcade. But no - the Icelandic Air Force will drop a strategic missile in Antarctica, and crazy crazy ...
      All the same, what caution when those uncles took up you.
      And they will order this to the graduate with a graduation project. Moreover, the vile Putin beautifully shuffles his foot on the ascending waltz column, and provide a lunge to the lady. Let the frame and understands the women's toilet.
      We do not trade chewing gum retail.
  • marlin1203
    marlin1203 18 July 2016 15: 49
    -1
    Right now, Erdogan, in yet another attack on Amer, will also declare war ... lightly .. wink
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 18 July 2016 16: 56
      +5
      Right now, Erdogan, in yet another attack on Amer, will also declare war ... lightly ..


      Enough to suspend NATO membership. And Trump is the president. Today Erdogan has so many opportunities that the fun begins.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 18 July 2016 17: 47
        0
        And Erdogan can become more abrupt than Ataturk if he remains alive. With such support from the people, he can send the US along an erotic route. It’s too wide and dangerous, but did he sit in the hotel until the last? So Faberge is in place.
        1. The stranger
          The stranger 19 July 2016 05: 32
          0
          Of course not. He has 50% support in the elections. With falsifications. It really was 30 - 40, where they generally understood what elections are.

          Further. The official CNN shows how the soldiers kiss the hands and feet of the police, for the fact that they are saving them from the beatings of "the population supporting Yerdogan." On channels 18+, the heads of conscripts, cut off by the same peaceful democratic population, are lying around. Which, of course, could not have anything to do with the political side of the coup - they carried out the order of their commanders. And they were cut right on the street, right under the cameras. ISIS fighters? Yes, you say, this cannot be ...
          Yes, and the leaders there are toilet.
  • datur
    datur 18 July 2016 16: 06
    -5
    Quote: aszzz888
    Found a scythe on a stone. But the meerkathos will get out.
    -And they will fasten RUSSIA AND personally GDP !!!! wink
  • Baloo
    Baloo 18 July 2016 19: 08
    -1
    Zhioinovskiy is right: it reminds GKChP. All all know. The only time I was asked where I would be on vacation: food, phone, although I'm not a military man.
    Although the 50 \ 50-Turkoführer apologized to Russia, put on a gsheyropu, that’s got a black mark. I just don’t understand where so many people are on the street with their Turkish flags
    1. olegkrava
      olegkrava 18 July 2016 21: 01
      -1
      Dear, replace the batteries on the keyboard. I don’t think you are so lisping.
  • GYGOLA
    GYGOLA 18 July 2016 19: 18
    +1
    All this is very similar to the "punishment" or warning of Erdogan for the steps of rapprochement with Russia.
    Turkey stated its readiness to revise relations with Washington if the US authorities refuse to extradite Gulen.
    does this country and its president an honor for pursuing an independent policy. Merkel fades ...
  • GradusHuK
    GradusHuK 18 July 2016 21: 07
    -1
    Caesar Cesarean ...!
  • Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 18 July 2016 14: 36
    0
    But what, there was a coup in Turkey ??? When did they only have time ... bully
  • Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 18 July 2016 14: 36
    +3
    "Turkey has announced its readiness to revise its policy of relations with Washington if the US authorities refuse to extradite Gulen."


    It seems that Erdogan, indeed, imagines himself a sultan. Ahead of indicative flogging? And a letter with an obscene apology, now before Obama?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 18 July 2016 15: 30
      +1
      Kerry has already stated that Gulen will be extradited only with iron evidence, which will be considered by the American side.

      And Turkey can fly out of NATO:
      BREAKING: John Kerry says Turkey's NATO membership could be in jeopardy

      Merkel said that if Erdogan shoots someone, he will put an end to the European partnership and there will be no talk of any rapprochement, let alone Turkey’s accession to the EU.

      European Commissioner Johannes Hahn already states that Erdogan uses the case for mass and baseless purges of political opponents and in general, all these lists have been prepared.
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 18 July 2016 17: 00
        +7
        And Turkey can fly out of NATO


        It’s the same if Kerry cuts one egg. NATO without Turkey, this is a barrier to the Middle East, this is an unrealistic strengthening of Iran and the military alliance of Turkey and Egypt. If this happens, an occasion for paranoid depression, because it meant that in the US leadership everyone was completely crazy and you could expect anything from crazy people.
    2. The stranger
      The stranger 19 July 2016 06: 09
      0
      It is really poorly adequate. Difficult to give a human example.

      The coolest on wound, but the drinker. But with the money. Beggars kiss their hand - they are given a glass. The retinue laughs obsequiously - and the bum on his knees laps from a saucer, and they have a full glass on the table. Day after day.

      There is no problem with money, but at the next table another godfather got into a habit of resting. No, does not oppress, do not look askance, does not look here at all. Well, the boys are cooler than mine, the girls are more beautiful, but I won 14 out of 3 fights with his family? I won. It means - I'm cool. So I’ll go, take him by the gills, shake him, and ask straight forehead: Do you respect me ???
      He, sychara, will say that he does not respect me, and what remains for me after that, how to call myself Erdogan?
  • Svoy_tovarish
    Svoy_tovarish 18 July 2016 14: 39
    +3
    The situation in Turkey was surprisingly aggravated, immediately after the attempts of the Turkish leadership to establish contacts with our country. Quite possibly the number one task for our enemies is the final breakdown of relations between Turkey and Russia, which in my opinion is unprofitable for both countries, due to the chaos that is happening in the Middle East.
    1. Temples
      Temples 18 July 2016 14: 58
      +6
      The situation in Turkey was surprisingly aggravated, immediately after the attempts of the Turkish leadership to establish contacts with our country.

      Or it was for this reason that the Turks repented to the Russians and Jews.
      Perhaps they whispered in their ear that the cranes were just around the corner.
      And the Krants are allied. From those friends who are worse than enemies.

      The prepared revolution cannot be undone.
      But to minimize the damage is possible.
      It seems that this is exactly what we are observing, to the displeasure of overseas Turkish friends.
    2. DenZ
      DenZ 18 July 2016 15: 18
      +1
      Quote: Svoy_tovarish
      It’s quite possible the number one problem for our enemies is the final breakdown of relations between Turkey and Russia, which in my opinion is disadvantageous for both countries, due to the chaos that is happening in the Middle East

      Of course, it's not profitable for us, but the "partners" apparently don't take into account Turkey at all. Everything looks as if the country is being consumed. The partners benefit from chaos, and if Turkey also joins it, they seem not to mind at all. They will express their concerns and nothing more. Inzherlik is what is important for partners and nothing more.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 18 July 2016 14: 41
    +3
    Turkey is in a fever from all sides ... such is the ending of the stupid policy of ERDOGAN.

    The US State Department is beneficial ... another hotbed of instability created on the border with RUSSIA.

    After some time, we learn about the customers and sponsors of this coup attempt in TURKEY.
  • Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 18 July 2016 14: 47
    -1
    I understand that if the United States demanded that Gulen not be tortured and beaten, kept in normal conditions, but none of this was announced by the State Department, which means Gulen can be given to the Turks, but this will be a political exchange.
  • ZKVR
    ZKVR 18 July 2016 14: 51
    0
    Mazgoon show
  • Stinger
    Stinger 18 July 2016 15: 28
    +5
    According to John Kerry, even if the request is received, Gülen will be issued to Ankara in one single instance. To do this, Ankara must provide evidence that it was Gülen who was involved in organizing the attempted coup d'état in Turkey. The US Secretary of State added that there must be legal grounds for issuing Gulen.
    Clear. Erdogan should show a test tube with Gulen's tests. They won’t believe otherwise. The main element of American democracy is the test tube.
  • Abbra
    Abbra 18 July 2016 15: 36
    -1
    And for another ten years, two stubborn rams spoke on this subject ... The subject of discussion has long passed away from this life, and to solve the problem there were not enough dozens or two pieces of paper ... It was a tournament of Eastern cunning and Anglo-Saxon cynicism ...
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 19 July 2016 08: 57
      0
      Minus put Erdogan ...
  • Dikson
    Dikson 18 July 2016 15: 37
    0
    And Erdogan did everything beautifully ..)) And he will clean up those who are objectionable, and supposedly made peace with Russia .. And even (well, what an unusually convenient coincidence !!!) The pilot who shot down our pilots is also a conspirator .. why should we believe, I'm sorry, the mayor Istanbul, who first announced this? Is he the Commander-in-Chief of the Turkish Air Force? And if this pilot really was such a national hero in Turkey, then why did our special services not know anything about this? And if they knew, then why did he stay alive? Some kind of mask show in the world began concrete ... What's in Nice - excuse me, but who shoots the driver so that there is not a single hit in the glass opposite? Have you seen when in the same states an aunt tried to enter the White House, what was left of the glass? they shot a driver there .. And anyway, they are not taught to shoot on wheels there in tolerant Europe? The truck is not a passenger car, while the police were jumping around it, they could turn all the rubber into rags .. And returning to our newfound friendships from Antalya and other places, I would like to ask our authorities: what about your conversations about having a rest near Igilovtsy in the rooms next door? What, the leadership of our country is so confident in the safety of its compatriots? A definite show ..
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 18 July 2016 15: 46
      +1
      There are not only pilots, there is also the Air Force commander, the base commander and senior officers - also conspirators. And on Ijilika - also the commander of the conspirator. More 8000 the conspirators have already twisted.

      Black funnels across the country dispersed.



      Here is a map of the parts where the mass arrests of the conspirators took place.
  • antivirus
    antivirus 18 July 2016 15: 54
    +1
    Quote: cniza
    It seems that Turkey has passed the line of no return and soon there will be big changes in the entire region, all state maps will change.

    Everything flows and everything is sold. People and nations emerge from the void of matter.
    The spirit of rebellion.
    We are the wind of history, which would blow into our sails, and not be surprised.
    10 years ago, a new map of the BB East was accepted for execution.
    What did we manage to do? except the Olympics in Sochi.
    The ideology of the CPSU was canceled, but where is the new vision of the world for Eastern Europe and the Balkans (at the level of the end of the 19th century?), Where is the place under our Sun for BBV and Central Asia or Latin America?
    Taxi drivers can work even on a rented car (they don't have one of their own), but they themselves have to determine the "sodit-do not sodit" dangerous passenger. And where to go? (back to GEYROPA?)
  • Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 18 July 2016 16: 16
    +1
    Did they quickly figure out all the conspirators, or were there already ready lists? It seems that Erdogan was preparing for a military coup.
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 18 July 2016 16: 23
      0
      Quote: Grigorievich
      Something they quickly figured out all the conspirators

      So what to pull. All who gave orders to seize objects, who did not follow the orders of the legitimate president. And their relatives and creatures. So no conspiracy theories are needed.
  • RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 18 July 2016 16: 16
    0
    I think the United States thus culturally sent Erdogan on ..... Very far.
  • Bourgeois
    Bourgeois 18 July 2016 16: 29
    0
    Turkey stated its readiness to revise relations with Washington if the US authorities refuse to extradite Gulen. This statement was made by Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım.
    Yeah yeah, and then the next coup will be successful. Erdogan will fly into a ditch, and Turkey will turn into Syria.
    This is a chatter, not a statement. The Turks will once again wither away and continue to affectionately knock towards Washington.))
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 18 July 2016 16: 51
    +1
    Quote: siberalt
    Gulen seems to be better off banging than betraying. Erdogan’s personal enemy.

    Washington will not bang Gulen, it’s their joker in the party against Russia, they will again buy Turkey’s loyalty for his head.
  • red joni
    red joni 18 July 2016 16: 58
    -1
    to get Gulen, Erdogan will have to amuse America a lot.
  • AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 18 July 2016 17: 06
    -1
    Maybe the lists were ready in advance Already painfully the arrests were coming And questions, Erdogan checked out of the hotel in Marmaris half an hour before the Air Force attack on the hotel And caches with small arms and grenade launchers suddenly found near Istanbul and Ankara. I won’t guess who the director is, he will pop up in a week with his own actions.
  • bovig
    bovig 18 July 2016 17: 11
    -1
    Gülen has already "condemned" several military coups in Turkey and was not involved in any of them ... And the "Gray Wolves" have nothing to do with him, and he moved to the United States, at one time, solely to improve his health!) )
    http://alexandra-anta.livejournal.com/373602.html

    Here an interesting story is described, which has a relationship to Gulen ...
  • Khariton
    Khariton 18 July 2016 17: 21
    +2
    Gulen will not be issued unambiguously (the United States has a stigma in the gun obviously) ... Erdogan would have taken care of others!
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 18 July 2016 19: 12
      -1
      Erdogan would take care of others!


      Such a person, Semin, there would have been bells, and there .... they didn’t disappear anywhere, turntables, these are not piastres .... but the police are not allowed on Incirlik, and Turkish legislation does not work there. So there are enough worries even without bells ....
  • SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 18 July 2016 17: 54
    +2
    Turks are very vindictive. Well, they have such a character. The fact that USA ears stick out of this rebellion I think is clear to many.
    But do Turks and Erdogan personally need NATO? Who will attack them? Armenia? Greece? They have a fairly modern army. Few people want to contact them.
    The EU has driven Turkey by the nose for many years. The Turks understand that they will not be taken to Europe. And they have long wanted to deal with the Russian Federation. We see this in tourism, construction, etc. And they plunged into business with Russia and got burned out on it. Reformatting a business is very difficult.
    Yes, and the Turks are not our enemies. During World War II, they stood at the borders of the USSR, but they did not attack.
    The eagle on the coat of arms is double-headed. For a long time one head looked to the West. Got tired. Now is the second time, to the East. And we want this, we do not want the course of history unpredictable. So it's time to cooperate with the East. And Turkey is not the last player here.
    If everything goes the way, then I will perceive the Turkish stream better than the stream through "brothers" from sunny bulgaria. This is where the scam will be.
    It is necessary GDP will solve with the Sultan the Syrian issue, the Kurds. I think they will find a common language.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 18 July 2016 18: 22
      -1
      Quote: SCHWERIN
      It is necessary GDP will solve with the Sultan the Syrian issue, the Kurds. I think they will find a common language.

      I also hope so .... Putin does not like to talk, and he needs serious allies! Erdogan was obviously framed (with our bomber shot down ..) I hope he understood everything correctly ... You can’t trust such an ottoman, but we at least at least we know what he is capable of! Putin must play this card for the benefit of Russia .. Good luck to you GDP!
      1. fox21h
        fox21h 18 July 2016 20: 47
        -1
        [quote = Hariton] [quote = SCHWERIN] ... Yes, and the Turks are not our enemies. [/ quote]
        Excuse me, did you fall from the oak?, We are fighting with them all historyWhen there was a war in Chechnya, where were the fighters trained? Just like the Ishilovites, everything was there, it is unlikely to be friends with them, our relations will return to the previous level. Who do you think was the sponsor and assistant in the side of Crimea, and they shot down the pilot and set up a trap, they wanted to knead the whole rescue group there, it didn’t work out, not the enemies ??????
        I’m sometimes amazed at least a little thought before putting something on the air or you are one of those, burn everything with fire, and I’ll go to the Turks to relax and spit on everything? That lately a lot of similar ideas have been laid out everywhere, do you have at least a small part of respect for yourself and your ancestors?
        Listen to Satanovsky, he tells a lot about these "Comrades". With such friends and enemies are not needed.
    2. Asadullah
      Asadullah 18 July 2016 19: 07
      +3
      The eagle on the coat of arms is double-headed. For a long time one head looked to the West. Got tired. Now is the second time, to the East.


      This is a remake, most likely composed by nineteenth-century publicists. Byzantine eagle, and before that, the Hittite Anzu. Many traditions that can be collected crumbs, as well as interpret as far as imagination allows. My mythology is more acceptable to me, as a person who has a little contact, is more suitable: Anzu, this is a kind of prototype of the Phoenix bird, the eagle-god Anzu was cut in the head with a sword in battle, and then there were two of them, and he began to battle enemies with redoubled fury and strength. I think this is a better image for Russia than to turn my head back and forth .....
    3. the villain
      the villain 18 July 2016 20: 43
      -1
      Quote: SCHWERIN
      And they plunged into business with Russia and on it got burned. P

      I do not agree with you, they got burnt on the fact that they got into a conflict with Russia hi
  • hohkn
    hohkn 18 July 2016 18: 00
    +1
    Quote: st25310
    Very reminiscent of judo, where the strength of the enemy turns against him ...

    Hinting at one of the judokas? hi
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 18 July 2016 18: 03
    +2
    Here are the talkers!

    Gulen has a CIA-issued Green Card; Americans never issued anyone with a Green Card. This is irrespective of whether he is guilty or not.

    But there is no way, degenerates, to honestly say about it - they portray "democracy". am
  • Felix
    Felix 18 July 2016 18: 23
    0
    But what, additional sanctions on Russia, as a condition for the extradition of Gulen, will they not put? Something happened with the penguins ...
  • Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 18 July 2016 19: 01
    +3
    Turkey under Erdogan became an uncontrollable and unpredictable ally. The first bell for the leadership of Turkey. was when Germany recognized the genocide in the Ottoman Empire .. the second for apologies to Russia, without demand from the Americans .. they organized a coup unsuccessful. I think the third will be the creation of chaos and civil war. To split the integrity of this country. Managing small principalities is convenient and handy. than 80 million country. \thinking out loud\
  • TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 18 July 2016 19: 52
    0
    what are human rights, what are the rules? how political cards will fall so America and turn
  • Khariton
    Khariton 18 July 2016 20: 00
    0
    I have always liked this saying .. Straight from my heart, all the cunning and cynical in the world! But it will be so (this also applies to "brothers" ..) ..
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 18 July 2016 20: 15
      +1
      Khariton (3) RU  Today, 20: 00
      ,, I plagiarized from Romanov request(25,08,14)
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 18 July 2016 20: 30
        +1
        Quote: bubalik
        Khariton (3) RU  Today, 20: 00
        ,, I plagiarized from Romanov request(25,08,14)

        Yuri Nikulin also answered so ... When he toured Europe! Only he answered "in the infantry"! Everyone shut up at once ....
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  • Khariton
    Khariton 18 July 2016 20: 39
    0
    Now they will try to frame Russia ... Terrible provocations are possible! Kazakhstan, Armenia Ukraine is flowers.! I hope our special services, as always, will work and prevent .. Obamych wants to leave "waving his tail .."
    Well, a little "black" humor ..)))) laughingTurkey...
  • DimYang
    DimYang 18 July 2016 21: 28
    -1
    I have no sympathy for the Turks. I consider the destruction of Turkey as a state to be correct and justified. How this will be an open question, the main thing is that our troops become there. There is no better place to control the Mediterranean. But for now, this is not about that. The question is about the relatively peaceful collapse of Turkey. Here is the problem.
  • Wolka
    Wolka 19 July 2016 05: 28
    -1
    the trouble of the Turks is that they never look around and never look back