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NATO and Russia: a fake confrontation?

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In the press and in the expert community, there is an active discussion on the topic of “confrontation” between NATO and Russia. There is an opinion that this confrontation is far-fetched, even “fake”. In addition, the recent meeting of the Russia-NATO Council ended with a desire for concrete action against the growth of tensions: a decision on dialogue about the safety of military flights over the Baltic.



Before we begin to consider the different points of view on the topic of “confrontation” between NATO and Russia, let us recall the words of Mr. Stoltenberg, the most important NATO chief. On the eve of the meeting of the NATO Council - Russia Jens Stoltenberg сказал: "If there were no events in Ukraine and the illegal annexation of Crimea by Russia, there would be no need to strengthen the eastern flank of NATO."

The alliance does not doubt that they did not doubt even two years earlier: Russia, by “annexing the Crimea,” violated international law, Russia demonstrated strength, Russia violated “fundamental principles,” and so on.

“... in fact, it was Russia that, by its annexation of Crimea, violated international law and frightened its neighbors,” explains Vitaly Portnikov’s NATO position in the publication «Crimea.Realii». - It was Russia that demonstrated that it prefers to achieve its goals by force. It was Russia that refused its own international and bilateral obligations. It was the president of Russia, who repeatedly, including after the victory of the Revolution of Dignity, assured the world that Moscow does not claim the Crimea and any other Ukrainian territory, changed its opinion within a matter of hours. And after him, all the others changed their opinion: ministers, deputies, ordinary citizens. And what is the most disgusting, constitutional judges, these prostituted “guardians” of the Basic Law ”.

As for the “frightened neighbors,” for NATO it really became the main trump card in a strategic game built on strengthening military power (read, drawing money out of the budgets of alliance members). That is why the question of the security of these same neighbors was one of the key issues at the recent meeting of the Russia-NATO Council. First of all, it’s not about Ukraine (it’s clear that Russia will not return the Crimea), but about the Baltic States.

As noted by Gazeta.ruThe Council meeting ended with a decision to begin a dialogue on the issue of the safety of military flights over the Baltic. And this may well be called a positive outcome of the meeting, since relations between the Kremlin and the alliance are worse than ever, and the decision of NATO to place in the Baltic states a contingent of four thousand soldiers added fuel to the fire.

At the meeting, both sides accused each other of deliberately not including transponders (devices using the “friend-and-foe” system) pilots making flights near the borders. NATO says that after the aggravation of relations such provocative flights became many times more. The Russian military unofficially make it clear that flights of this kind are made in response to the provocative actions of NATO military aircraft.

According to the Russian Ambassador to NATO Alexander Grushko, the Kremlin is ready to begin discussing the issue of flight safety in the Baltic region. As the newspaper notes, the start of such a dialogue can be considered the main achievement of the meeting.

As for Ukraine, Grushko, answering questions from European colleagues about the situation, said that "in Ukraine there is no military activity on the part of Russia." However, his words hardly convinced the Western diplomats.

There is also a commentary on the outcome of the meeting, given by the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova.

According to her, Moscow has made a number of proposals to the alliance aimed at building confidence.

“These proposals have been made, they are on the table, we expect a concrete response from our fellow NATO representatives. And we hope that such a reaction will follow without any delays and delays, ”Ms. Zakharova quotes. "Lenta.ru".

She noted that the Kremlin is waiting for a reaction from NATO on flight proposals with transponders on. However, during the Council meeting, Zakharova noted, the Russian side “did not hear anything new”. She summed up: “We are open to the continuation of an equal dialogue with the alliance both in this and in other formats on the whole spectrum of issues of Euro-Atlantic security.”

Recently, a very curious opinion about the “confrontation” of NATO and Russia was shared with Lentoy.ru Chairman of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy; Scientific Director of the Valdai Club; Fedor Lukyanov.

The expert agrees that the military-political confrontation, which has not been a quarter of a century, is returning to Europe, however, “today this confrontation is fake, artificial”. Lukyanov is convinced that it is "devoid of real reason."

“During the Cold War, everything was clear: two blocs, two superpowers, two opposing models of existence. Today, the Western model (the idea of ​​how Europe should be arranged) is gradually crumbling, while Russia simply hasn’t had its own alternative model since the end of the 1980s. The current confrontation between Russia and NATO is due to internal causes to a greater extent than real threats. As we, Russia, came to the conclusion that we are satisfied with the existence of an external threat, since it allows us to consolidate society, this is a separate conversation. More surprisingly, the same situation has developed in NATO. There are so many system failures in the Western community that today imitation of the Cold War is necessary for it simply because it is the simplest pattern of dialogue with Russia. That is, it seems to Europeans that instead of building a thin, nuanced policy in relations with Moscow, it is easier to give up and say “Damn it, with Russia! We will assume that it threatens us. ” And after that, close on the solution of their internal problems. This, of course, is an illusion. The militarization of Northern Europe will not help either of the internal problems of either NATO or Russia. ”


We talked about the numbering of enemies, because in the declaration adopted after the summit, Russia was mentioned first among the threats, and only then the “Islamic State”.

Lukyanov believes that Islamic terrorism is not an external threat to the alliance, since IG controls the territory not in Europe. Yes, and how to resist the "IG"? Use against him the notorious four battalions, placing them in the center of Paris or Brussels? As for Moscow, from the point of view of NATO "it again fell into the heresy of aggressive imperialism, which means that it must be resisted, as it was done in former times." The logic of the alliance, the expert noted, is approximately the following: “We are an alliance of collective security. Who threatens our allies in the East? Russia. So we will work against Russia. ”

In conclusion, we present another opinion about NATO and Russia, which belongs to the editor of Literární novin, Teresa Spencerova. She gave an interview to the publication “Parlamentní listy” (Czech Republic; translation source - "InoSMI").

“The problem with the North Atlantic Alliance is that it does not know what to do,” said Teresa Spentserova. - Under the US directive, NATO has already disappointed in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the recent summit only exacerbated this wandering. On the one hand, it seems that the only reason for the existence of NATO is to protect itself from “Russian aggression,” but for three years now we have been waiting for Russia to capture at least a piece of the same Baltic or Sweden, but nothing happens. I'm not talking about those who are still waiting for the Russians Tanks in Prague. It was as if Moscow decided to make us even more angry! Maybe we should call this “destructive” Russian policy “aggressive passivity”? From time to time, Russia sends some plane to some borders, like us, but in general it does not allow provoking itself. Like in that old joke about BDSM: “Beat me!” - “And I won’t think about it!”

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Experts very much doubt that there is a real confrontation between NATO and Russia, despite the “provocative” flights that both sides are talking about and the notorious “annexation of the Crimea”. For more than two years, the "scared" Europe has been waiting for Moscow to move the regiments to Stockholm or at least Vilnius, but nothing happens. The “aggressive” Russians did not show up again at war. It is not surprising that experts consider the current confrontation itself to be fake.

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  1. Teberii
    Teberii 19 July 2016 04: 40
    +2
    Confrontation means war, but for now everyone is playing on each other's nerves. Yes, even the Baltic states and NATO troops do not suffer from friendliness.
    1. Temples
      Temples 19 July 2016 07: 28
      +9
      Confrontation means war


      According to the "expert" confrontation - it is pouring mud on each other on the Internet.
      There was no Yugoslavia, there was no East Europeans joining NATO.
      No and there was no missile defense at the borders of Russian.
      Apparently the "experts" are fake.
      And observers haven't gone far to survey such "experts."
      1. cniza
        cniza 19 July 2016 07: 51
        +9
        NATO needs to prove its importance and increase the budget, they need a "terrible" enemy - they appointed Russia ... there would be no Crimea, they would have come up with another reason.
        1. WKS
          WKS 19 July 2016 10: 48
          +6
          Obama acts like a resentful child in a sandbox. Children played according to the rules established by Obama the child, for green candy wrappers he bought toys and pieces of sandbox of other children. And then one of the "partners" in the game said that he did not like these rules and he would no longer play candy wrappers, and if Obama the child wants to get his toys or sand for candy wrappers, he will get hit in the head and hands with this stick. And in confirmation of the seriousness of his intentions, he painfully hit Obama on the hand extended to his toys. Obama was offended by this and began to persuade other children for candy wrappers not to play with the offender and talk nasty things about him.
        2. unsinkable
          unsinkable 19 July 2016 16: 19
          0
          Quote: cniza
          would come up with another reason.

          There is only one reason. Russia, which rose from its knees, harshly declared independence. When Borka and his liberals, the Gaidarites and other red husks, put Russia on * half-bent * made friends just like with the Americans. Thank God, it fell apart. And then hamburgers would eat yes chips without borsch and bread. hi
          1. Talgat
            Talgat 19 July 2016 17: 37
            +2
            Quote: unsinkable
            Under Borka and his liberal Gaidarites and other red husks that put Russia on * half-bent * made friends just like with the Americans. Thank God, it fell through.


            I agree that in 90 there were 3 scenarios negative for all of us
            1) Privatization and the emergence of oligarchs - the death of social justice of the USSR

            2) The collapse of Eurasia - the USSR and the loss of geopolitical advantages -

            3) Adoration of Russia to the West - surrender of all positions - surrender - disarmament - betrayal of geopolitical interests and allies

            As a result, the fall of the highest Soviet standard of living to poverty - the destruction of education and medicine, technology and production.

            West (US-Fed-NATO) have achieved what Hitler dreamed \\

            Fake - it is the propaganda of the West about the Russian threat - at this stage after the 90's, neither Russia nor the CSTO pose any threat to the West and Europe
            We would not be touched - we are not going to attack anyone -

            But the confrontation with the West is not fake. The West always has their notorious "Drang nach Osten" - they will always press and attack - even under the Romans - even under Napoleon or in 1612 or under Hitler, etc.
            Now they are launching missiles, promoting NATO east- and so on and so forth
      2. Aleksander
        Aleksander 19 July 2016 09: 24
        +5
        Quote: Temples
        And observers haven't gone far to survey such "experts."

        Yes, Oleg surprised with his review: this time he did not just review, and showed his position and point of view that the confrontation between NATO and Russia was invented: after all, no clashes had been going on for three years.
        Here you can see that before the WWII and WWII there were also no clashes and a much longer period, but this does not mean that they began spontaneously and the countries did not prepare for them. And these wars have taken place. And one of the reasons was that countries prepared for war: they accumulated weapons, claims, conducted propaganda campaigns, etc.
        Oleg actually agreed with the statement of the Russophobe that:
        Russia "annexed the Crimea" violated international law, Russia demonstrated force, Russia violated the "fundamental principles"

        with your comment:
        As for the “frightened neighbors,” for NATO this has truly become the main trump card in a strategic game built on strengthening military power

        It became a trump card, but a trump card false- nobody scares them. They invented it themselves, they are afraid: NATO has no real reasons to strengthen the eastern flank
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 19 July 2016 10: 55
          +2
          Someone can clearly answer the question: What does NATE need from the Russian Federation?
          1. Al1977
            Al1977 19 July 2016 14: 11
            +2
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            Someone can clearly answer the question: What does NATE need from the Russian Federation?

            And who then hang the government hacks? Not Mongolia, the people will not believe.
          2. Dark
            Dark 19 July 2016 15: 54
            -1
            Need resources and territory! Europe is overpopulated, so they need Russia!
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 20 July 2016 00: 24
              0
              Quote: Dark
              Need resources

              We give them away in any quantity and on demand, for green candy wrappers, which are then overseas and returned in the form of placement in their securities, banks, etc., i.e. we finance foreign economies with our raw materials and finances.
              Quote: Dark
              and territory!

              Nonsense! Most of the territory of the Russian Federation is not suitable for life at all, another part is the territory of risky agriculture. Explain what kind of bolt, for example, the Spaniards, porosos or shaving go to hell on pies, to drown in the loamy mud there?
              Quote: Dark
              Europe is overpopulated, so they need Russia!

              You are talking nonsense !!! Learn demographic maps, learn the mathematical part.
              If we talk about the territory, they are needed exclusively by tea-nikas, but they have already been given unmeasured allotments in the Far East.
              So, it turns out that we don’t need neither the geyropa, nor the mattresses and loam, our also do not need!
              And the fact that they need the state of the Russian Federation itself gives them, and even pester, take more.
        2. Lyubopyatov
          Lyubopyatov 19 July 2016 11: 37
          0
          It's just that the author misunderstands the words of the language he uses. If you see in your dacha that an outsider has leaned on your fence and is watching you for a long time, this is a confrontation. We are not standing in front of a mirror, but in front of the strength of the opposite vector. And in the keyhole we hear the sounds of someone else's master key ... wake up, author!
      3. Al1977
        Al1977 19 July 2016 14: 10
        0
        Quote: Temples
        According to the "expert" confrontation - it is pouring mud on each other on the Internet.
        There was no Yugoslavia, there was no East Europeans joining NATO.
        No and there was no missile defense at the borders of Russian.
        Apparently the "experts" are fake.
        And observers haven't gone far to survey such "experts."

        I agree!
        But when will we move from talking to action ?!
        Dacoli liberals in power will humiliate the country.
        Only one should remain. And it will be the power of Light and Good! Saint Vladimir is with us!
      4. Rus2012
        Rus2012 19 July 2016 14: 34
        0
        Quote: Temples
        According to the "expert" confrontation

        Quote: Oleg Chuvakin
        Experts doubt very much that there is a real confrontation between NATO and Russia,

        ... here, after all, this is the point - today there may be no obvious confrontation, but the hour is not even when potentials appear along the borders and tensions increase, then the circumstances themselves can begin to play their role, leading politicians and the military according to the established rules. So to speak - "by the will of the waves of circumstances" ...

        For example, NATObat was allocated to the pre-Baldons, in response, the Russian Federation set up a fortified area with MLRS and Iskander. The Prebeldonian elite wanted "heroic deeds" - having disguised the "forest brothers" in the uniform of the Soviet army, for example, at night they slaughtered Yankees returning from prostitutes in the forest. And in the morning, having found the troupes, in hot pursuit, with their flimsy companies, they moved to the posts of the Russian troops. Having received on the tinsel, they crumpled and cried, howled to their elder brothers to intercede ...
  2. azer
    azer 19 July 2016 04: 50
    +11
    The article is nothing boring. I think that this is not a fake, but a well-planned plan for an attack on Russia over time.
    1. jetfors_84
      jetfors_84 19 July 2016 07: 40
      0
      To attack - I think it’s unlikely. The gut is thin. This is only a struggle for the sphere of influence, for the opportunity to increase your military budget.
      1. ovod84
        ovod84 19 July 2016 08: 12
        0
        Of course, the gut is thin, they did the right thing about Crimea that they attached it, and if not, why don't Biden’s words about Crimea come to mind. We could lose Sevastopol and there was a danger of weakening our position on the Black Sea. I can advise on this subject. Strengthen Kaliningrad air defense, but also with Iskander, on the Black Sea the same thing, all this does Shoigu with the supreme
  3. siberalt
    siberalt 19 July 2016 04: 51
    +3
    "Experts doubt that there is a real confrontation .." Is it by chance that these experts are not from the OSCE? Those, too, do not see anything real and doubt everything.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 19 July 2016 05: 04
      +6
      Quote: siberalt
      "Experts doubt that there is a real confrontation .."

      in the role of "experts" are liberal whiners, and what is annoying is that they are often different heads of universities, chairmen of "councils" and "clubs", which means they have access to "ears" into which one can "pour" pro-Western philosophy.
  4. alpamys
    alpamys 19 July 2016 05: 07
    +1
    There is an opinion that this confrontation is far-fetched, even “fake”

    I absolutely agree, Western media are fanning this topic, and people (I speak for the Germans) it is not interesting to fuck.
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 19 July 2016 07: 00
      +4
      I will not say "for the Germans", but the new British prime minister just the day before pushed through parliament an increase in spending on the maintenance of nuclear forces. May said the primary threats come from (surprise!) Russia and (second surprise) North Korea. These countries were called aggressors (who would doubt it).
      The funds in the amount of at least 30 billion pounds will be used to modernize submarines and their weapons - Trident missiles. America gives a standing ovation, since they will be engaged in missiles. The inhabitants of Scotland are already scratching their turnips and the contents of the kilts in thought - but have they not been screwed up by remaining in Britain? Submarine bases are located exactly on their territory, the first "hello" will be on them. I feel that a second referendum is coming with the Scots, and England, which has already shrunk, will look for a new submarine base.
  5. strannik1985
    strannik1985 19 July 2016 05: 07
    0
    This confrontation exists, but it is not on the border with Eastern Europe, there are rather distracting maneuvers. The main confrontation on the border with Ukraine / in New Russia, in Syria (even if it is not Europe, but without the connivance and support from a number of ISIS countries and other organizations would never have become such a force).
  6. antiexpert
    antiexpert 19 July 2016 05: 35
    +4
    Let's remember the words of Mr. Stoltenberg, the most important NATO chief. On the eve of the NATO-Russia Council meeting, Jens Stoltenberg said: "If there were no events in Ukraine and the illegal annexation of Crimea by Russia, there would be no need to strengthen NATO's eastern flank."

    If it were not for the "humanitarian" bombing and hybrid annexation of the United States by the hands of NATO of Yugoslavia, East Germany, Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, then there would be no need to return Crimea as a strategic object in the Russian Federation
  7. Nitarius
    Nitarius 19 July 2016 05: 59
    +6
    the author is just experiencing Illusions! and no more!
    Look at Turkey, Kazakhstan, Yerevan .. ABOUT SYRIA and UKRAINE I am silent! And you will understand that people are dying not fake .. but real!
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 19 July 2016 06: 12
      +2
      There is a war against Russia with the wrong hands in a foreign territory. God forbid we lose it somewhere and the war will already be with us.
      1. Beefeater
        Beefeater 19 July 2016 07: 56
        -4
        Quote: Alexander 3
        There is a war against Russia with the wrong hands in a foreign territory. God forbid we lose it somewhere and the war will already be with us.

        We may well lose the war using conventional weapons. So the war will be nuclear missile, and the West will never go for it
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 19 July 2016 08: 41
          0
          Quote: Beefeater
          We may well lose the war using conventional weapons. So the war will be nuclear missile, and the West will never go for it

          Quite the contrary - we’ve waged a war using conventional means, and we have never lost and will never lose on our territory (there were deviations and temporary surrenders of the territory), we have such a vast territory and are so different in climate, in swamps, etc., that imported equipment simply can’t stand it, and in the event of a protracted war, General Moroz will still say his word.
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 19 July 2016 09: 38
            -2
            Quote: Corsair
            we’ve waged war using conventional means, and we never lost on our territory

            that they won the Crimean ?!
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 19 July 2016 17: 50
              0
              Our Crimea means we won, and temporary retreats and the surrender of our land are preparation and mobilization of forces for return.
          2. Beefeater
            Beefeater 19 July 2016 10: 17
            +1
            Quote: Corsair
            Quote: Beefeater
            We may well lose the war using conventional weapons. So the war will be nuclear missile, and the West will never go for it

            Quite the contrary - we’ve waged a war using conventional means, and we have never lost and will never lose on our territory (there were deviations and temporary surrenders of the territory), we have such a vast territory and are so different in climate, in swamps, etc., that imported equipment simply can’t stand it, and in the event of a protracted war, General Moroz will still say his word.


            I don’t know who will survive what or not, but we are inferior at times to conventional weapons.
            But a nuclear conflict with a population density in Europe will be the final solution to the European question. Again, the Americans will not sit aside, they will also receive theirs. They understand this and do not want to get involved in a direct conflict.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 19 July 2016 18: 06
              0
              Quote: Beefeater
              But a nuclear conflict with a population density in Europe will be the final solution to the European question.

              I suppose that with us he will radically solve the problem with the population, for the United States will not stand aside, and the majority of our population lives to the left of the Urals. The part that lives outside the Urals will get less, but it will be very difficult with food (the main cultivated lands - the south, the Volga region, the middle strip of Russia will be poisoned) and clean water (rivers flow to the North).
        2. Al1977
          Al1977 19 July 2016 14: 13
          0
          Quote: Beefeater
          We may well lose the war using conventional weapons. So the war will be nuclear missile, and the West will never go for it

          So we need to destroy the forces of evil. what are we delaying? Stalin would have dispersed this scum a long time ago!
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 19 July 2016 06: 17
    +4
    For more than two years, the “frightened” Europe has been waiting for Moscow to move its shelves to Stockholm or at least to Vilnius, but nothing happens. .. I want to note that since 1949, NATO has been waiting for Soviet tanks to move to Paris ... and there to Lisbon .. But fake, this confrontation was not called ..
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 19 July 2016 07: 10
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      For more than two years, the “frightened” Europe has been waiting for Moscow to move its shelves to Stockholm or at least to Vilnius, but nothing happens. .. I want to note that since 1949, NATO has been waiting for Soviet tanks to move to Paris ... and there to Lisbon .. But fake, this confrontation was not called ..

      No! Since 1945, at first, Churchill and Truman did everything to unleash a new war in Europe. It did not work. Churchill lost the elections on July 5, 1945. Well, what about next? Then Fulton's speech, "COLD WAR, NATO creation.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 19 July 2016 07: 58
        0
        It doesn’t matter, since 1945 or since 1949 (the formation of NATO) .. opposed so that the blood came out from under the nails .. When the goals of the West change, then there will be no confrontation .. In the meantime ..
      2. Beefeater
        Beefeater 19 July 2016 08: 05
        +1
        Quote: Amurets
        Quote: parusnik
        For more than two years, the “frightened” Europe has been waiting for Moscow to move its shelves to Stockholm or at least to Vilnius, but nothing happens. .. I want to note that since 1949, NATO has been waiting for Soviet tanks to move to Paris ... and there to Lisbon .. But fake, this confrontation was not called ..

        No! Since 1945, at first, Churchill and Truman did everything to unleash a new war in Europe. It did not work. Churchill lost the elections on July 5, 1945. Well, what about next? Then Fulton's speech, "COLD WAR, NATO creation.

        Times were like that.
        Nothing unusual in that the USSR could move its tanks anywhere. Communism triumphantly marched around the planet, the colonial system began to fall apart. Churchill wanted to stop it
    2. Essex62
      Essex62 19 July 2016 10: 11
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      For more than two years, the “frightened” Europe has been waiting for Moscow to move its shelves to Stockholm or at least to Vilnius, but nothing happens. .. I want to note that since 1949, NATO has been waiting for Soviet tanks to move to Paris ... and there to Lisbon .. But fake, this confrontation was not called ..

      Not by the way, AB mattress mattresses were made and tested on dzhapan. Before Lisbon, the Red Army would have rumbled, by one or two, already at 45 ohms. And they threw the amers and their henchmen into the ocean.
  9. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 19 July 2016 06: 35
    +2
    Europe has not fully fought for a long time. Now generals are at the helm of European countries, for whom this is the last opportunity to fight. There’s a shotgun and there’s a shot. Thank God we have a bigger and more terrible caliber. (NWF). And this is the only thing that keeps this pack on a leash.
  10. midivan
    midivan 19 July 2016 07: 26
    0
    Crimea, Donbass, I think this is a gay-European screen, in fact, it seems to me, the whole thing is in Syria, but what about Crimea? Green men are not so scary, silent and polite, another thing is Assad's domain, strategists, calibers, drying (new ) that's what terrifies Europa, they thought that our "stool" sold everything, but it turned out that there was something to hit, pride does not allow to admit it, so it remains to hysteria and stamp their feet, Konashenkov and a big TV scared them very much and to be honest, I would be in their place, too, a little ochkonul request something like
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 19 July 2016 14: 15
      0
      Quote: midivan
      Crimea, Donbass, I think this is a gay-European screen, in fact, it seems to me, the whole thing is in Syria, but what about Crimea?

      Of course it's all about Syria! This is a new battlefield between the Forces of Good and Evil. Only One will remain !!!
      This is obvious to everyone, they deliberately delay their end. But the sword has already been entered and St. Vladimir will fulfill his destiny, cut off the head of the dragon, and the Light will fill the world and people will breathe and take to the streets in a joyful greeting !!!!
      1. Goodmen
        Goodmen 19 July 2016 20: 03
        0
        Al1977 But the sword has already been entered and St. Vladimir will fulfill his mission, cut off the head of the dragon, and the Light will fill the world and people will breathe and take to the streets in a joyful greeting !!!!

        From the coming post

        Only one should remain. And it will be the power of Light and Good! Saint Vladimir is with us!

        we have already learned about St. Vladimir, Light and Darkness !!!))) do not be so nervous !!! I propose to calm down - everything will be fine !!!))))
  11. Siberia M 54
    Siberia M 54 19 July 2016 08: 07
    +2
    ...- Moscow does not pretend to Crimea and not to any other territory of Ukraine ... Crimea is RUSSIA. It belonged to Ukraine illegally. It’s time to assimilate it.
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 19 July 2016 14: 16
      0
      Quote: Siberia M 54
      Crimea is RUSSIA. It belonged to Ukraine illegally. It’s time to assimilate it.

      And Alaska too.
  12. fif21
    fif21 19 July 2016 08: 35
    0
    By all means, Europe is trying to convince Russia of its peacefulness. Missile defense is not aimed at the Russian Federation, NATO tanks in the Baltic states are not aimed at the Russian Federation, a military coup in Ukraine does not pose a danger to the Russian Federation — these are words, false hypocritical words. And uncles like Lukyanov are provocateurs trying to convince public opinion in Russia that a predator is a good, pious vegetarian. NATO is the main threat to Russia, Islamic radicals, well, and closes the top three sworn friends, fascist-Bandera Ukraine. These are realities, these are not illusions. hi
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 19 July 2016 09: 42
      +2
      it would be better if the author of the article said that American-made radar systems are being made in the Donbass, the next batch of which Poroshenko recently received with great fanfare. About ordinary humvi, I’m even silent. Or NATO instructors teaching ukrovermaht and the National Guard. And this is something that doesn't even hide
  13. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 19 July 2016 08: 44
    0
    The confrontation between NATO and Russia will continue.
    Otherwise, the NATO bloc will cease to exist.
    And there are big dibs. So ... If only someone would not go too far.
  14. vglazunov
    vglazunov 19 July 2016 08: 52
    0
    The background of confrontation and imaginary war is beneficial to arms barons and bankers. How much weapons can I sell and make money on it. America is No. 1 on this list. Everyone understands that jokes with a nuclear power can end with an apocalypse and that this fine line can never be crossed.
  15. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 19 July 2016 08: 59
    +1
    Putin does not like the place that we are allotted to in Europe. He wants our country to be there among the elite, i.e. equal to Germany, France, Italy. Talk with the rest, only to humiliate yourself. The task is to split Europe and be the first among equals in it
    1. ando_bor
      ando_bor 19 July 2016 10: 46
      +1
      Putin’s task is to prevent the Americans from retaliating, they will leave — Russia — Iraq.
      And Europe is not a player, Europe is here:

      would be glad to cooperate, America does not allow, - America solves its strategic tasks, Russia is the main threat to the United States, because it can destroy them completely, regardless of intentions, it has such a possibility, and according to American doctrine, the threat is intentions or opportunities, with such opportunities like Russia does not possess any ISIS, despite the most evil intentions.
  16. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 19 July 2016 10: 13
    +1
    There is nothing special to comment on.
    After 1989, there was disarmament in Europe? - Yes, the troops are greatly reduced.
    Have military contingents in Europe been built up in the last 2 years? Three or four battalions? Not even a team.
    What are the threats to the four battalions of the Russian army? Yes, nothing in essence - a demonstration to an ally - "like we are with you." We remember how this "demonstration" cost Georgia and its former president - since then he has not worn ties ...

    Are they trying us for strength? - As always in Russian history - nothing new. The geopolitical confrontation was and will be, it is important not to translate it into an escalation of the arms race.
    With our dead economy, now it is superfluous.
  17. Wildfox
    Wildfox 19 July 2016 10: 20
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    I did not expect such near-fledged analytics from the author. With all due respect, but not only the money from the budgets of NATO pulls but also creates a completely UNABLE !!! system on the border of the Russian Federation. Who will be after Obama and will he really want to use it? ....
    Another example is the Russian national teams. How they poured them with slops, it’s not kefir and jam for you, such an onslaught comes that it’s just awesome, and NATO is just one of the instruments of the USA and everything plays the role that the director pointed out to him.
    Interestingly, Hussein and Gaddafi, too, thought that everything was fun? Is all this fake? recourse hi
  18. Essex62
    Essex62 19 July 2016 10: 32
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    Article obscene nonsense. It’s necessary to think of such a confrontation with NATO - a fake. Liberal ears appeared. The fierce hatred of the western godfathers to Russia is a centuries-old phenomenon. We are like a red rag for a bull for them. If they could, they have bitten us already. Our glorious liberals are trying to prove, with everyday examples, that they say Western citizens do not hate Russia. As soon as we give slack to these lovely Germans, Franks, Bulgarians and other Pshek with the Spaniards famously flood war songs along our lane of the throat. It was already passed.
  19. thorns
    thorns 19 July 2016 10: 34
    +1
    Quote: antiexpert
    If there were no "humanitarian" bombing and the hybrid annexation of the United States by the hands of NATO of Yugoslavia, East Germany, Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, there would be no need to return Crimea as a strategic object in the Russian Federation




    Crimea was not returned because of the bombing. And because of the fascist putsch. The PS sent trains of "friendship" with weapons. There would be a bloody massacre in Sevastopol. In Baltiysk, the officers of the fleet who graduated from Nakhimovskoye were ready to go to Sevastopol to Defend with weapons in their hands, so the return of Crimea took place for other reasons.
  20. ando_bor
    ando_bor 19 July 2016 10: 36
    0
    The confrontation is real, its media reflection is fake - virtual, what we see in the media, including on the Internet, reflects mainly only confrontation in one of the areas of struggle - the information one, and there are other battlefields, if desired and understanding find some information about them, but for most it is inaccessible and incomprehensible.
  21. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 19 July 2016 10: 48
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    Quote: Temples
    Confrontation means war


    According to the "expert" confrontation - it is pouring mud on each other on the Internet.
    There was no Yugoslavia, there was no East Europeans joining NATO.
    No and there was no missile defense at the borders of Russian.
    Apparently the "experts" are fake.
    And observers haven't gone far to survey such "experts."

    capacitor positive (+) lead
    Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! smile
  22. weksha50
    weksha50 19 July 2016 10: 56
    +1
    "NATO and Russia: a fake confrontation?"...

    Absolutely not fake ... Today it is as real as ever before, even during the Caribbean crisis ...

    Talk about the peaceful coexistence of Russia and the NATO bloc and peaceful initiatives on their part is empty, pointless, and without any predictable positive results ...

    Russia has always been the object of both envy and aggression (or lusty aggressive fantasies) ...

    There are two main reasons:
    1. Reluctance to be nobody's servant and pursuing an independent both foreign and domestic policy.
    2. Territory and raw materials.
    These two points explain absolutely all claims against Russia.
  23. iouris
    iouris 19 July 2016 11: 20
    +2
    The author put forward a hypothesis.
    The following considerations and well-known facts speak in favor of this hypothesis:
    1) the ruling circles of the United States sponsored and warmly welcomed the February Revolution of 1917, the October Revolution of 1917 and the anti-communist counter-revolution of 1991,
    2) the government of the Russian Federation since 1991 has consistently pursued a domestic and foreign policy that is beneficial for the United States, the results of which are clearly visible in demography, science and education, in the structure of imports and exports,
    3) ideologically, the Russian Federation is part of the Western Empire, with a single center in Washington, although officially there is no ideology in the Russian Federation. In addition, NATO received resources and territories conquered by the USSR in 1945 for free. Officially, the USSR collapsed because it was defeated in the economic confrontation. But what, the economy and the armed forces of the Russian Federation are more powerful than the economy and the armed forces of the USSR?
    4) many rulers of the USSR and the Russian Federation after 1917 their children ended up in the United States or the West (Trotsky, Khrushchev, Gorbi, Yeltsin ...), finances and brains drift in the same direction (and now also athletes),
    5) the trial "Abramovich - Berezovsky" showed that Londongrad is one of the real capitals of our Motherland,
    6) the crossed out sign of the currency of the Russian Federation indicates its organic connection with the dollar,
    7) The Russian Federation imports Western technology, exports raw materials,
    NATO is a bloc, the Russian Federation is a part of fragmented Russia, almost half of the potential of the Russian Federation is concentrated in only two cities (flight time from the border line is 10 ... 40 minutes). It is strange to talk about the possibility of "confrontation" in such unfavorable conditions for the Russian Federation.
    The visibility of the confrontation with the Russian Federation is necessary for the USA to justify the existence of the US military-industrial complex. The only alternative to the Russian Federation is China, but China has so far successfully evaded the burden of the main official enemy of the United States.
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 19 July 2016 11: 39
      +2
      Quote: iouris
      iouris

      You have controversial thoughts, but generally agree.
      Quote: iouris
      The visibility of the confrontation with the Russian Federation is necessary for the USA to justify the existence of the US military-industrial complex. The only alternative to the Russian Federation is China, but China has so far successfully evaded the burden of the main official enemy of the United States.

      And here the benefits are mutual.
      The Russian authorities are also sooooo profitable horror story in the form of NATO.
    2. Goodmen
      Goodmen 19 July 2016 21: 59
      +1
      By and large, yes) but
      3. The USSR collapsed due to betrayal of the elite. There is no ideology in the Russian Federation, because The bourgeoisie wrote us a constitution. What resources gained by the West of the USSR in 45 won?
      5. The word "capital" must be replaced with the word "dump" !!!
      6. Maybe they just licked it? In order to bring pleasure to the owners?)))) If 3 strips - then unsuccessful in behavior!)))

      One can argue about the potential of RUSSIA. In two cities only bloodsuckers are concentrated !!! But they are in no way potential!))

      Well, these are small corrections, but in fact +!

      .... where again the red flag has gone !!!!))) mess !!!))) admins !!!
  24. Lyubopyatov
    Lyubopyatov 19 July 2016 11: 39
    +1
    The problem is that the author takes at face value the enemy propaganda intended for Western inhabitants.
  25. 1536
    1536 19 July 2016 11: 53
    +1
    And if you look at the other side of the problem of NATO and its expansion to the East. Take the Baltic States tighter. The population is declining, it cannot control the territory, Russia left there, leaving everything behind, but crime has not abandoned this territory. But if so, it means that the Baltic states should be controlled so that European ISIS are not born there or something worse, that drug trafficking does not go straight from Klaipeda to Amsterdam, and even with a wide flow. Poland, Romania and their ilk are countries with a poor population that have nothing. They also need to be controlled for the same reasons. The Germans, if you do not control, so they will immediately begin to build the 25 Reich and the controllers themselves will shut up. Nobody wants this.
    But "a holy place is never empty." We withdrew our troops from Germany, Eastern Europe, whether because of betrayal, stupidity, lack of will or money, it means that we actually abandoned these territories to the mercy of fate, said: "We do not need them." They thought that 75 years of Soviet power instilled in people independence, responsibility, efficiency. Alas! The peoples themselves living there are not able to protect and equip these places. The United States and the EU, with the help of NATO, are filling the vacuum that has arisen, packing all this into wrappers of the "Russian threat", "Russian barbarism", force, etc. And they can do it. Since the days of 1917, they have become skilled.
  26. _Vlad_
    _Vlad_ 19 July 2016 12: 28
    +1
    1. Mankind made money from precious metals. Almost all banknotes have always been like that. No valuable metal - no money. The amount of money is limited by the amount of metal from which they are made.
    2. In 1694, a group of bankers, with the support of King William of Orange, established the Bank of England. It became the first private emission center in the world. That is, a group of individuals began to issue money. The trick was that paper money was issued, and they were supposedly provided with gold. And at any time, the owner of a paper pound could exchange it for a pound of yellow metal. In fact, bankers simply began to cheat, issuing paper money significantly more than they had gold.
    3. The idea was simple, and therefore it was necessary to destroy other "wise men" who also decided to print money from nowhere. The entire subsequent history of Europe is the struggle of the Bank of England and its owners for financial hegemony on the planet.
    4. When the United States gained independence from England, bankers lost control of this country's financial system. They returned it only in 1913, when the Federal Reserve System was created by decree of President Woodrow Wilson. It was the same private emission center as the Bank of England. Belonging to the same persons.
    5. But at that moment all the currencies of the world were gold. You begin to tirelessly slap dollars and pounds, and this cannot but go unnoticed. What to do? Of course, eliminate competitors, destroy other gold currencies. Destroy economies that compete with the Anglo-Saxon ones. And immediately after the creation of the Fed, in 1914, the First World War begins. In her crucible the golden ruble and the golden German mark disappeared.
    6. Then followed the Second World War, which resulted in the signing of agreements at Bretton Woods in 1944, outlining the post-war world financial system. The main money was the US dollar. All world trade began to be conducted in dollars, and only in dollars. In fact, he replaced gold. And if all countries of the world needed to earn dollars, then the United States simply printed them, promising that for every thirty-five dollars they were ready to pay a troy ounce of gold.
    7. In 1973, the United States announced that the dollar no longer has any gold content. Money itself turned into a commodity. The high standard of living in the United States was determined only by the demand for their green currency. The whole world collects dollars, changes the fruits of labor for these candy wrappers. And the US just draws them.
    8. When the number of "drawn" Fed dollars became dangerously high, a system for their disposal was invented. The United States began to borrow dollars from the whole world. In exchange, they issued US government bonds, called "treasuries."
  27. _Vlad_
    _Vlad_ 19 July 2016 12: 29
    +1
    1. Mankind made money from precious metals. Almost all banknotes have always been like that. No valuable metal - no money. The amount of money is limited by the amount of metal from which they are made.
    2. In 1694, a group of bankers, with the support of King William of Orange, established the Bank of England. It became the first private emission center in the world. That is, a group of individuals began to issue money. The trick was that paper money was issued, and they were supposedly provided with gold. And at any time, the owner of a paper pound could exchange it for a pound of yellow metal. In fact, bankers simply began to cheat, issuing paper money significantly more than they had gold.
    3. The idea was simple, and therefore it was necessary to destroy other "wise men" who also decided to print money from nowhere. The entire subsequent history of Europe is the struggle of the Bank of England and its owners for financial hegemony on the planet.
    4. When the United States gained independence from England, bankers lost control of this country's financial system. They returned it only in 1913, when the Federal Reserve System was created by decree of President Woodrow Wilson. It was the same private emission center as the Bank of England. Belonging to the same persons.
    5. But at that moment all the currencies of the world were gold. You begin to tirelessly slap dollars and pounds, and this cannot but go unnoticed. What to do? Of course, eliminate competitors, destroy other gold currencies. Destroy economies that compete with the Anglo-Saxon ones. And immediately after the creation of the Fed, in 1914, the First World War begins. In her crucible the golden ruble and the golden German mark disappeared.
    6. Then followed the Second World War, which resulted in the signing of agreements at Bretton Woods in 1944, outlining the post-war world financial system. The main money was the US dollar. All world trade began to be conducted in dollars, and only in dollars. In fact, he replaced gold. And if all countries of the world needed to earn dollars, then the United States simply printed them, promising that for every thirty-five dollars they were ready to pay a troy ounce of gold.
    7. In 1973, the United States announced that the dollar no longer has any gold content. Money itself turned into a commodity. The high standard of living in the United States was determined only by the demand for their green currency. The whole world collects dollars, changes the fruits of labor for these candy wrappers. And the US just draws them.
    8. When the number of "drawn" Fed dollars became dangerously high, a system for their disposal was invented. The United States began to borrow dollars from the whole world. In exchange, they issued US government bonds, called "treasuries."
    1. iouris
      iouris 19 July 2016 12: 41
      +1
      Money is a technical tool for the equivalent exchange of labor products.
    2. Goodmen
      Goodmen 19 July 2016 21: 41
      +1
      Here, without dust and thunder, a man normally justified the reality surrounding us !!! Definitely +!)
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  29. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 19 July 2016 13: 17
    +2
    good song by Alexander Marshall. Almost to the topic.
    1. Goodmen
      Goodmen 19 July 2016 20: 13
      +1
      https://youtu.be/GsbT5N_V97c

      Alice is also nothing !!! "Sky of the Slavs" in this video had to be a splash screen for the theme !!!)) hi
  30. Olegi1
    Olegi1 19 July 2016 13: 23
    +2
    Fake is not a fake confrontation, but both partners must be strengthened and supported in every way. I'm talking about the Army and Navy, if someone does not understand ...
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  33. Boris55
    Boris55 19 July 2016 16: 11
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    The fundamental difference between us and them:

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  34. loaln
    loaln 19 July 2016 19: 06
    +2
    NATO and Russia: a fake confrontation?


    Yes, ... it took a long time for some to "get" to this. But how many others ...
  35. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 19 July 2016 20: 52
    0
    I apologize, of course, but as I understand it, we are now friends with NATO? So we have friends now, China, NATO, maybe even America is a friend ... Another friend, a karachun, may come with such friends ...
  36. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 19 July 2016 21: 27
    -1
    President has good points in the photo .. Ray Ban, I suppose ..
  37. rennim
    rennim 19 July 2016 21: 50
    -1
    Russia scares the West only with its large territory and the presence of nuclear weapons. Therefore, there is no opposition. There is nothing to resist. More than 83% of the economy is foreign. Natural resources also do not belong to the people of the Russian Federation. No fool will bomb his "business". So all this is for the short-lived who do not understand what is. all sides are trying to distract from internal problems. Therefore, all these foreign policy "victories" of one side or the other do not mean anything at all and do not bring citizens closer to improving their living standards.
  38. Lyubopyatov
    Lyubopyatov 20 July 2016 01: 36
    -2
    Someone PHANTOM-AS loudly proves that NATO Europe does not need Russian territory and resources. But Phantom-Asu was objected long ago by such different people (or maybe not so different?) As Margaritka Thatcher and Gavrilka Kharitonovich Popov: they are needed - and even as needed! Thatcher said that Russia didn’t get all this right! (Well, so she is obliged to reason as a daughter of a Jewish shopkeeper from Britain.)
    But I will continue with Phantom-As. Let's say the Antichrist does not need our resources and our territories. But he needs influence on the minds and souls of people: influence, power over people - this is the most precious thing for the global usurers - "market makers"! And Russia is a serious competitor in this, a big hindrance that distracts millions of people from the "charm" of NATO Europe. I did everything I could to reason with Phantom-As! Amen.
    1. iouris
      iouris 21 July 2016 22: 56
      0
      Quote: Lyubopyatov
      Someone PHANTOM-AS loudly proves that NATO Europe does not need Russian territory and resources.

      The West has long had the resources it needs at a price that it itself sets.
    2. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 21 July 2016 23: 44
      +1
      Quote: Lyubopyatov
      Suppose our resources and our territories are not needed by the Antichrist.

      and what to allow they have everything they want in any quantities and at the price set by them, and the colonial administration (you can read the word administration at any municipality, including federal authorities), sends it to the metropolis.
      The huge market, consisting of almost 91 million souls for the 300st year, was fragmented into smaller parts, with its colonial administrators, and then again given over to Western companies.
      In the production of hydrocarbons in the Russian Federation and the sharing of profits, many Western companies and offshore companies are involved.
      Even city water utilities have become private with the ultimate beneficiaries in offshore.
      Quote: Lyubopyatov
      But he needs influence on the minds and souls of people: influence, power over people - this is the most precious thing for the global usurers - "market makers"!

      They influence the full program through our state and private TV channels and the media, promoting the most vile human vices, driving thoughts into the heads of people that a person is a wolf to a person.
      Quote: Lyubopyatov
      And Russia is a serious competitor in this, a big obstacle that distracts millions of people from the "charm" of NATO Europe.

      the state of the Russian Federation is a liberal country, with liberal bourgeois laws, where you saw contradictions with the west.
      Stop thinking with a zombodroscope, think with your own head and the sim will open. Hallelujah!