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China completes the localization of heavy truck technology

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China has successfully mastered the technology of developing and producing heavy multi-wheeled chassis to accommodate various types of rocket weapons, including strategic, writes Military Parity with reference to the Chinese media.


China completes the localization of heavy truck technology


“Back in the 1970s, China received the Scud-B missile systems (Western designation OTRK P) from third countries and began to make efforts to copy them to create heavier vehicles. However, technological difficulties led to the fact that in the 1980-90-ies the BR launchers DF-21 and DF-31 were created in the form of conventional tractors (tractors with trailers), ”the Chinese author notes.

“After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the manufacturer of the heavy chassis Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant became the property of Belarus. The products of this plant are still imported by Russia to accommodate strategic, anti-aircraft and other missiles. The collapse of the USSR gave us the opportunity to establish closer ties with the Belarusians, ”he writes.



The article notes that to date, Beijing “was able to localize 70% of technologies, and the task is to gain complete independence in this area.”

“Specialized multi-wheeled chassis of its own production will allow China to create an independent potential for deploying mobile strategic missiles, in addition, the export of their civilian versions is possible. Currently, there are three companies in China that are capable of producing heavy off-road vehicles of the WS 42-series of modifications, ”the author writes.

China has become one of the few countries with these technologies, and even surpassed the United States in their technical level.

“Americans can now look at us in despair. Their heavy chassis — the Heavy Missile Launch Vehicle — can only carry ICBMs into their mines, ”the author concludes.

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  1. Bureaucrat
    Bureaucrat 18 July 2016 10: 34
    +24
    But we have invented the word "import substitution"!
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 18 July 2016 10: 46
      +13
      And who came up with the "deep concern" ???
    2. Locksmith
      Locksmith 18 July 2016 10: 46
      +6
      Quote: Bureaucrat
      But we have invented the word "import substitution"

      And one more word "Platform", Belarusians don't like it wink
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 18 July 2016 11: 08
        +5
        Quote: Locksmith
        And one more word "Platform", Belarusians don't like it

        And at first the words "platform" and "import substitution" appeared, and only then the Belarusian contacts with China expanded.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 18 July 2016 11: 52
          +3
          Quote: Spade

          And at first the words "platform" and "import substitution" appeared, and only then the Belarusian contacts with China expanded.

          I can say that in the late 80s, in the early 90s, new thinking manifested itself. And we should not blame the old man Lukashenko, he followed in the footsteps of the "marked." In Blagoveshchensk, all more or less suitable sites were packed with equipment for sale in China. including there were multi-axle tractors MKZT-Maz-7908/7909 in versions of tractors for semi-trailers-heavy trucks and I don't remember what other option and Bases have a whole line of timber trucks, rescue vehicles and special chassis, in 3 and 4-axle versions. They differed from army vehicles only by their color in blue and white, red, blue tones.
        2. tivss
          tivss 18 July 2016 16: 29
          +3
          And at first the words "platform" and "import substitution" appeared, and only then the Belarusian contacts with China expanded.

          This is yes. Also, when Russia, represented by Shalomov and Mendel, refused to help Belarus in developing the Polonez missile system, Belarus developed and created it with China.
      2. Anton Yu
        Anton Yu 18 July 2016 11: 49
        +5
        "Platform-O" is said to have been recognized as overwhelming, and now a new program is being molded. If only KAMAZ did not get it, although the BAZ will not pull it either.
      3. sclerosis
        sclerosis 18 July 2016 12: 45
        +3
        Kamaz workers, unfortunately, were blown away with their "Platform". And the fact that they went the wrong way from the very beginning suggests sabotage.
        I hope that this task will not be given to KamAZ now. However, how much time is lost ...
        1. Gomel
          Gomel 21 July 2016 16: 58
          0
          BAZ will be given, and the Platform-O is now at its own expense. The most interesting thing is that the marketing ploy with electric drives and informational platform (this is without irony) did not pass even at the level of a liberal government. Purely marketing approach - knock out the money and in a few years we'll see.
          Obviously in Rostec they let the Daimlerites and other Varangians "crap". The same Rostec has excellent developments and competencies in electric propulsion, but it was not necessary to put it "almost from next year", and after all, Belaz, Mzkt and even Mazt also have developments in electric transmission, but even their military is not shoved, the engineering part for such problems (heavy loads), it is still being worked out and it is clear that innovativeness is off scale (again, without irony, electric motors are the future), but in reality it will not go very soon (and if it does, then Belaz will do it quietly and with a maximum slope of 15%)
    3. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 18 July 2016 11: 30
      +14
      Beijing "was able to localize 70% of the technology, and the goal is to gain complete independence in this area"

      What remains to say - well done! Do everything they need!
      If someone doesn’t like something - they are sent on a foot trip with an erotic bias!
      They already have a proven technology for copying any equipment!
      Only we are shy now and look at the laws ...
    4. Juborg
      Juborg 18 July 2016 12: 04
      -4
      The successful experience of the Ukrainian comrades was actively supported by the Belarusian comrades. The sale of technologies to Chinese comrades has been successfully implemented by Belarus. The slogan "everything is for sale!", Sounded in a new way. Friendship, friendship, and money in my father's pocket.
      1. captain
        captain 18 July 2016 12: 49
        +5
        I sincerely envy the Chinese, the Chinese leadership is thinking about the future of their country. And we all interact with partners and offer them to put up.
        1. tivss
          tivss 18 July 2016 16: 37
          +3
          And we all interact with partners and offer them to put up.

          And with what partners do you interact on this issue?
      2. tivss
        tivss 18 July 2016 16: 35
        +3
        The sale of technology to Chinese comrades has been successfully implemented by Belarus.

        Not "sale", but "cooperation". Everything is logical - Russia refused to cooperate with Belarus on the creation of the Polonez missile system - Belarus created it together with China. We also cooperate with China on wheeled chassis.
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  2. evil partisan
    evil partisan 18 July 2016 10: 36
    +6
    Those. and China now has its own "Poplar" -M? I understand correctly?
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 18 July 2016 10: 45
      +6
      Yes, the DF-41 is called.
      http://vpk.name/news/146862_df41_kitaiskii_otvet_nashemu_barguzinu.html
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-41
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 18 July 2016 10: 48
      +8
      Quote: wicked partisan
      Those. and China now has its own "Poplar" -M? I understand correctly?

      They have it. They are such bastards, my wallet whistled, and did not apologize. .
      1. agent rossii
        agent rossii 18 July 2016 11: 24
        +10
        copied the wallet too? wassat
      2. Bersaglieri
        Bersaglieri 18 July 2016 12: 14
        0
        Although, nevertheless, the analogue of "Topol" is the DF-31
        http://missilethreat.com/missiles/df-31-31a-css-9/

        DF-41 is "Yars", or even a failed "Celina" (because some sources provide equipment in 10 BB IN and a starting mass of 75-80 tons)
    3. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 18 July 2016 11: 01
      +5
      Quote: wicked partisan
      Those. and China now has its own "Poplar" -M? I understand correctly?

      Yes, but only without the "M", before the "M" they are still ten years old ... Although, as it goes, maybe even earlier ...
    4. Altona
      Altona 18 July 2016 11: 16
      +5
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      Those. and China now has its own "Poplar" -M?

      --------------------------
      Ballistic only, flies along a ballistic trajectory, but far, up to 14 kilometers. Ours can fly along a more sophisticated trajectory.
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 July 2016 10: 36
    +6
    It was not without Belarusians.
    1. gray smeet
      gray smeet 18 July 2016 10: 51
      +12
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      It was not without Belarusians.

      In China, much was not without the experience of the USSR, which flowed during the collapse of the country in different directions .. And China flourished precisely at the time of the collapse of the USSR, to which (decay) China made quite a few efforts in collaboration with the United States. As an example, the war in Afghanistan ... China received money from the United States and supplied weapons to the spirits ...

      "In 1981, the head of the CIA W. Casey, taking advantage of the strained relations between the USSR and China, flew to Beijing. The topic of negotiations was the purchase of high-quality small arms and artillery weapons from China. Beijing immediately agreed to the deal. Already in 1981, the flow of weapons exceeded 10 thousand. . tons, by 1983 it handled over 40 thousand tons per year, and by 1985 reached 65 thousand tons per year. "
    2. Berkut24
      Berkut24 18 July 2016 11: 25
      +9
      Not just that, Belarusians directly took part in the joint development. In fact, the desire to earn at least some currency Lukashenko followed the path of the Ukrainians selling another Soviet backlog.
      However, if Russia took into account its bitter experience with the Chinese cloning SU-27, the Belarusians considered themselves the smartest. As a result, after a few years, they will encounter the fact that the Chinese will begin to sell to MKZT customers the Belarusian technical solutions, not sketched, but received under a joint development agreement.
    3. tivss
      tivss 18 July 2016 16: 40
      +3
      It was not without Belarusians.
      By itself. And it is common knowledge: "the Chinese manufacturer of multi-axle special chassis Hubei Sanjiang Aerospace Wanshan Special Vehicle Co (part of the CASIC rocket and space concern) announced the start of production, with the support of MZKT, of fully localized hydraulic transmissions for power units with a capacity of 500 hp. Thus, China has become one of the few countries in the world, along with the United States, Germany and Belarus, capable of independently producing such complex units. "
  4. Abbra
    Abbra 18 July 2016 10: 38
    +8
    "Localization" is, as I understand it, copying and transferring production to your machines, or what? The Chinese come up with sophisticated words ...
    1. gray smeet
      gray smeet 18 July 2016 11: 05
      +6
      Quote: Abbra
      "Localization" is, as I understand it, copying and transferring production to your machines, or what? The Chinese come up with sophisticated words ...

      The Chinese are obsessed (in the good sense of the word) to do something grandiose, whether it’s the auto industry or building ships, or space — they have the heyday of the country's and people's capabilities, similar to our 60s. People want to make their homeland great - want and do!
    2. Altona
      Altona 18 July 2016 11: 20
      +2
      Quote: Abbra
      "Localization" is, as I understand it, copying and transferring production to your machines, or what?

      ----------------
      Yes, organization of full cycle production at home. To do this, it is necessary to localize the basic structural elements - gearboxes, steering knuckles for axles, heavy-loaded bearings, special hubs or drum-hub assemblies, frame side members of a reinforced structure, special tires. By the way, I see that they made a "monolithic" cabin, integrated two cabins into one on their tractor and made it from simplified stamped elements.
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 18 July 2016 11: 41
      +2
      Quote: Abbra
      Tricky words come up with the Chinese ...

      本地化 - localization smile
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 18 July 2016 22: 13
        0
        Wow Good joke! laughing hi
  5. 89625588851
    89625588851 18 July 2016 10: 51
    0
    They will soon overtake us, while we will bring our KamAZ trucks to mind
    1. ARES623
      ARES623 18 July 2016 11: 26
      +4
      Quote: 89625588851
      They will soon overtake us too

      While we will wind snot on sofas instead of work ...
      1. 89625588851
        89625588851 18 July 2016 11: 46
        0
        Winding snot on the couch is generally unnecessary, such tractors are just being created, and then with great difficulties, the process of finishing which will take a lot of time. And that is a fact.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 18 July 2016 12: 01
          +1
          Quote: 89625588851
          Winding snot on the couch is generally unnecessary, such tractors are just being created, and then with great difficulties, the process of finishing which will take a lot of time. And that is a fact.

          Which were created, but according to the will of Gorbachev turned out to be unnecessary. For the sake of interest, see the book by E. Kochnev "Secret Cars of the Soviet Army". And the catalogs of the Minsk plant MKZT.
          1. 89625588851
            89625588851 18 July 2016 12: 10
            0
            Thank! I'll see.
  6. Stas157
    Stas157 18 July 2016 10: 55
    +7
    . China has become one of the few countries that own these technologies, and even surpassed the United States in their technical level.

    And, here we are, oddly enough, still dependent on Belarusians. That is, the Chinese in this regard bypass Russia with the help of Soviet technology!
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 18 July 2016 11: 00
      0
      Quote: Stas157
      . China has become one of the few countries that own these technologies, and even surpassed the United States in their technical level.

      And, here we are, oddly enough, still dependent on Belarusians. That is, the Chinese in this regard bypass Russia with the help of Soviet technology!

      So less had to bargain with Father. About ten years ago it was necessary to start import substitution in the defense industry. And all would be well.
      1. Anton Yu
        Anton Yu 18 July 2016 11: 42
        +2
        And the development of "Platform-O" began almost 10 years ago, in 2008. But it was definitely not KAMAZ that had to be given it, then KZKT was still working.
    2. Homo
      Homo 18 July 2016 11: 14
      0
      Quote: Stas157
      And, here we are, oddly enough, still dependent on Belarusians.

      In what
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 18 July 2016 12: 03
        +3
        Quote: Homo
        In what

        You do not know what Topol ride?)) Kamaz Platform-O, and can not rattle! How many more years will pass before the GIS is unknown. Like they wanted to do with electric motors in wheels, it didn’t work. This hour they again want to return to the traditional scheme. It seems to me that on the basis of the Kurgan plant at one time an analogue of the MZKT-79221 needed to be created.
    3. tivss
      tivss 18 July 2016 16: 56
      0
      And, here we are, oddly enough, still dependent on Belarusians.

      The Chinese in this matter also depend on Belarusians. It’s just that they were able to agree with Belarus, but the Kremlin isn’t.
      "Chinese multi-axle special chassis manufacturer Hubei Sanjiang Aerospace Wanshan Special Vehicle Co (part of the CASIC rocket and space concern) has announced the start of production, with the support of MZKT, of fully localized hydraulic transmissions for 500 hp power units. Thus, China has become one of the few countries in the world, along with the USA, Germany and Belarus, are capable of independently producing such complex units. "
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 18 July 2016 18: 06
        +4
        Quote: tivss
        It’s just that they were able to agree with Belarus, but the Kremlin isn’t.

        It's nice to trade Soviet secrets, isn't it?
        And, with Russia, as the successor of the USSR, it is completely optional to share old Soviet technologies! Only in case of generous payment! Soyuznichki ... We have cheap gas, oil, weapons, loans, protection of the Lukashenko regime ... And, what's our profit? Only that Belarus does not join NATO?
        The sanctions are not exactly not supported, on the contrary a hole in Europe! Selfish interest above all! This is the thinking of a limitroph, not an ally.
        1. tivss
          tivss 18 July 2016 20: 04
          +3
          It's nice to trade Soviet secrets, isn't it?
          And, with Russia, as the successor of the USSR, it is completely optional to share old Soviet technologies! Only in case of generous payment! Soyuznichki ... We have cheap gas, oil, weapons, loans, protection of the Lukashenko regime ... And, what's our profit? Only that Belarus does not join NATO?

          Why share "old Soviet technologies" ??? 21st century in the yard. The technologies at MZKT are clearly new. Otherwise, they could not compete at the world level. Songs about "Belarusians live at our expense" are for the poor and stupid. Our coexistence is mutually beneficial, nothing more. RB with RF has ONLY cheap energy resources. For this, the Russian Federation does not equip, does not maintain and does not protect 1000 km. western border, does not pay for 2 military objects on the territory of the Republic of Belarus, does not pay for the transit of trucks. Your loans to us are two to three times more expensive than from the IMF. As for the "protection of the regime" - do not be ridiculous, we remember your "help" in 2010, when, before the presidential elections in the Republic of Belarus, you released the fake "godfather" - just before the attempt to shop the Maidan in Minsk to organize - as if the FSB had conspired with the CIA.
          On the topic, Belarus turned to Russia with a request for cooperation in the development of the Polonez missile system. Russia refused. Belarus has reached an agreement with China. The system is already in production. So think about which of YOU allies.
          1. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 18 July 2016 22: 34
            +2
            Unfortunately, liberalism has not yet been squeezed in Russia, so it muddies the waters for green candy wrappers. And at the expense of you, the autocrat "Old Man" is better than the corrupt "Ukrainians" in power! Well, the main thing is that the state and the people do not live in poverty, and to figure out the rest - only time and patience are needed. hi
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          3. Stas157
            Stas157 18 July 2016 23: 03
            +2
            Quote: tivss
            Why share "old Soviet technologies" ??? 21st century in the yard. The technologies at MZKT are clearly new.

            What's new, don’t share?
            Quote: tivss
            . Our coexistence is mutually beneficial, nothing more. Belarus with the Russian Federation has ONLY cheap energy sources.

            Well yes! Belarus alone saves billions of dollars on this!

            Quote: tivss
            The Russian Federation does not equip for this, does not contain and does not protect 1000 km. the western border, does not pay for 2 military facilities in the territory of the Republic of Belarus, does not pay for the transit of trucks

            And, I thought that this is Russia that protects Belarus! But does it really pay for Belarusian trucks for a fee? Yes, and why is the main flow of trucks to Poland through Ukraine going?
            Quote: tivss
            Your loans cost us two to three times more than from the IMF.

            But you take it! And still beg! What prevents you from taking the IMF ?? Perhaps it is because their loans are furnished with uncomfortable conditions?
            1. tivss
              tivss 19 July 2016 14: 10
              0
              But you take it! And still beg! What prevents you from taking the IMF ??

              Belarus has been under sanctions for over 20 years. For one single reason, the pro-Russian orientation. If in due time such narrow-minded "patriots" as you were sent to the "bright distance" - they would have been in the European Union for a long time and took loans from the IMF.
              What's new, don’t share?

              And what, the level of intelligence does not allow you to see for yourself? There's too much in there. But at least: "In March 2016, Volat begins test runs of its latest development for the transportation of bulky heavy cargo. The MZKT-750440-010 all-wheel drive truck tractor can transport goods as part of a road train with a maximum weight of up to 90 tons. The MZKT-750440-010 tractor is a harbinger of all the innovations and advanced technical solutions in the updated line of commercial vehicles and special chassis. Thanks to high reliability and optimal indicators of economy and ergonomics, Volat equipment will allow you to conduct business at a completely new level. "
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 19 July 2016 14: 24
                +2
                Quote: tivss
                Belarus has been under sanctions for over 20 years. For one single reason, pro-Russian orientation.

                As far as I know, the West blamed the Lukashenko regime! The West does not need independent politicians. He needs sixes! About the pro-Russian orientation, like there was no speech. Yes. Why did you get the idea that Lukashenko has a pro-Russian orientation? He has a very independent policy, neither yours nor ours! In the West, it wouldn’t work.
                Quote: tivss
                If in due time such narrow-minded "patriots" as you were sent to the "bright distance" - they would have been in the European Union for a long time and took loans from the IMF.

                Well yes! Example, Ruin!
                Quote: tivss
                But what, the level of intelligence does not allow you to see for yourself? There are too many things.

                A lot of things, all? In more detail! New dashboard?)))
                Scheme and main nodes are all old Soviet.
                1. tivss
                  tivss 19 July 2016 14: 53
                  0
                  West blamed Lukashenko’s regime!

                  "Reasoning" of the level of vocational school-shnik. When the West needs it, he doesn't care deeply about the "regimes". Lukashenko is the only Slavic patriot of the presidents. And he has always been pro-Russian, well, maybe more precisely "pro-Russian". It is difficult for a Slavic patriot to be "pro-Russian" in conditions when the Russian government is 80% composed of Jews and Jews (Kudrin) under the leadership of Shalomov and Mendel.
                  Well yes! Example, Ruin!

                  No, an example is Poland.
                  A lot of things, all? In more detail! New dashboard?)))

                  Is it weak to go to the site yourself and read? The vast majority of MZKT equipment, in principle, did not exist during the USSR.
  7. Hort
    Hort 18 July 2016 11: 00
    +1
    Xerox rice, a ton of them in a swing ...
  8. Stinger
    Stinger 18 July 2016 11: 08
    +1
    To date, Beijing "has been able to localize 70% of the technology, and the goal is to gain complete independence in this area."

    People think, not talk about import substitution.
  9. starogil
    starogil 18 July 2016 11: 13
    +2
    We must remain and be idiots, so as not to see in, as if in a neighbor, ingratiatingly smiling in bows,
    dragon. The shortsightedness, blindness of our diplomats, politicians, and the head of state is striking. When
    I heard a tale for a long time: an Englishman in drinking, suddenly in the overwhelming sentimental feelings he called a servant
    Chinese and says: - Lee, forgive me for all my tricks and, I swear, I will not call you anymore
    yellow-back macaque.
    - Thank you, sir, I will not write in your tea either. Lee answered.
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 July 2016 11: 41
    0
    We need specialists from Kamaz to learn to send there ....
  11. afrikanez
    afrikanez 18 July 2016 14: 19
    0
    Well, at least do not sell anything to China, everything is copied. lol The brains themselves are probably small? And to be honest it’s easier and less costly. Dodgers however are these Chinese.
  12. Anton Yu
    Anton Yu 18 July 2016 14: 48
    +4
    Of course, I can understand the desire of KAMAZ to get into all the niches in the production of military cargo platforms, but this is not good. Judging by the reviews of the military, many do not like the Shell-S at their base, it is a pity that they did not accept this option:
    1. Sally
      Sally 18 July 2016 21: 22
      0
      The military, in principle, like little wheel option (ours).
  13. YURIY888
    YURIY888 18 July 2016 15: 01
    +2
    Media reported on the failure of the development of a new chassis for rocket systems in Russia

    The development of a family of new tractors, on which they planned to deploy strategic and anti-aircraft missiles, was unsuccessful. On Thursday, July 14, reports the Kazan edition of “Business Online.” +

    The newspaper spoke about the unsuccessful result of research work under the code "Platform" and the development work "Platform-O".
    1. tivss
      tivss 18 July 2016 17: 01
      0
      The newspaper spoke about the unsuccessful result of research work under the code "Platform" and the development work "Platform-O

      Under this "platform" the Russian budget will be "sawed" for more than a dozen years. It is not for nothing that Mendel got involved in "this case".
  14. WERSTA.
    WERSTA. 18 July 2016 18: 56
    +1
    Lukashenko should be respected for what he is doing for his country. And despised for cheating in relations with Russia. Remember that he suggested that in early 2000 Ukraine would take us by the throat through gas pipelines and oil pipelines passing through their territory That was when he was caught re-exporting oil at inflated prices.
    1. tivss
      tivss 18 July 2016 20: 12
      +1
      he cheats in relations with Russia

      No one has ever accused Lukashenka of "cheating" at the official level. In the absence of such facts. The whole stench is only at the level of "one grandma said," in the "free" Russian press. Such as you are the result of the total anti-Belarusian propaganda launched in the Russian Federation since 2002, by order of Shalomov. At the same time, he never accused Lukashenka of anything. But Lukashenka blamed Shalomov.
  15. Oleg L.
    Oleg L. 18 July 2016 20: 00
    +2
    Russia refused to help Belarus with missile armament, so in return for help with the creation of the "Polonaise" it had to help the Chinese with the tractors, and you are Russians, continue to talk about betrayal. What are you doing yourself?
    1. Cook
      Cook 18 July 2016 22: 52
      +1
      You bite here mainly. Reasons to refuse to help you know? Or did the Russian Federation help you with missiles instead of you? Such all around are white and fluffy. You see, ONLY the cheap energy resources of the Russian Federation supplies you, well this is the little things. And ask them from the Chinese, they as partners are simply obliged to help you.
      1. tivss
        tivss 19 July 2016 14: 16
        +1
        Reasons to refuse to help you know? Or did the Russian Federation help you with missiles instead of you?

        Here, the Chinese helped us. Ie the Chinese are closer to us than Putin's Russia. If we ask China for cheap energy resources, tomorrow they will drive you to equip the western border with a shovel. And then guard and contain. You will pay us from your "gigantic" salary for two military installations. For the transit of trucks. And you can put the surplus of "saved energy resources" into ... well, you know where. As a result, you won't get any more money for a ruble, continuous expenses. Or is it important for someone like you to do worse for a neighbor? To rip out one eye for you?