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On the development of events in Turkey after the suppression of a coup attempt

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American edition The New York Times reports that the commander of the Turkish airbase Incirlik Bekir Erkan Van, accused by official Ankara of involvement in the attempted coup, sought asylum from Washington. The US authorities refused asylum to the Turkish general. Recall that General Van was detained the day before, after all departures from the Incirlik airbase were blocked.


Van was not the only Turkish general who tried to find refuge outside Turkey. Thus, Mikail Ihsanoglu, a military attache of the Turkish embassy in Kuwait, was detained on the territory of Saudi Arabia, after which he was extradited to Ankara on the basis of an official request. Several people were detained in Greece.

Meanwhile, in Turkey itself continues to take measures related to the events of recent days. Information Service Anadolu reports that a state of emergency has once again been imposed in Istanbul. The head of the Istanbul police, Mustafa Chelishkan, ordered the deployment into the largest city of the country of about 1,8 thousand soldiers of the special forces police. The duties of special forces will include control of the most important objects in the city and the protection of order. At the disposal of Chelishkan there is a clause that the police have the right to shoot down any helicopters, the take-off of which was not authorized by the official authorities.

At the moment, more than 6, thousands of people accused of attempting a coup, are detained. Most of the detainees are ordinary soldiers.

On the development of events in Turkey after the suppression of a coup attempt


Erdogan continues to claim that the Turkish preacher Fethullah Gulen, who is in the US, tried to organize a coup in Turkey. Gulen himself denies all the charges against him. Erdogan demanded that the United States extradite "the leader of the terrorists, Gulen."
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  1. Altona
    Altona 18 July 2016 07: 49
    +7
    Gülen yesterday in an interview said literally the following "that violence is incompatible with democracy." Most likely, this coup was planned elsewhere and by other people.
    1. Teberii
      Teberii 18 July 2016 07: 53
      +17
      He said this while in a country that spreads democracy around the world with bombs.
      1. cniza
        cniza 18 July 2016 08: 00
        +10
        Ghoul Erdogan will "get drunk" of blood to the fullest, but he does not know what to do next and how everything will turn out and what will happen next with the country, it's scary to even imagine ...
        1. Teberii
          Teberii 18 July 2016 08: 03
          +1
          Then there are Kurds, it will be necessary to occupy the army if it has nothing to do.
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    2. Andrey K
      Andrey K 18 July 2016 08: 07
      +22
      In general, a very murky story with this rebellion.
      1. It seems that everything is according to the classical scheme - newspapers, train stations, telegraphs ... But there is some kind of amusement, vanity - that speaks either of poor planning, or (which I personally doubt) the production directed by Erdogan himself .. .
      2. Gulen's words cannot be taken on faith either. He really has something to do with it. For one simple reason: in any case, among the rebels - his followers and students ...
      3. The feeling of the presence behind the scenes of "exceptional lights of democracy" does not disappear anywhere, only intensifies. And Gulen and the top of the Armed Forces, on a short leash off Washington. And this is not conspiracy, but a reality ...
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 18 July 2016 08: 27
        +7
        Quote: Andrey KBut some kind of flattering, vanity catches your eye - which speaks either of poor planning, or (as I personally doubt) the production staged by Erdogan himself ...

        There is an option that the whole conspiracy was based on the fact that Erdogan would be killed. How he managed in half an hour (15 minutes) to leave the hotel, the question is not for the conspirators. Perhaps someone very authoritative called and reported at the very last moment. If Erdogan knew in advance about the rebellion, he would not have taken the risk and wait until the last. In general, the situation resembles the Staufenberg plot in 1944. Hitler was not killed and everything rolled.
        The feeling of the presence behind the scenes of "exceptional lights of democracy" does not disappear anywhere, it only intensifies. And Gulen and the top of the Armed Forces, on a short leash off Washington. And this is not conspiracy, but a reality ...

        I agree with 100 percent with this. And one will have to agree in this matter with the opinion of Erdogan himself. laughing
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 18 July 2016 08: 50
          +7
          Quote: avva2012
          ... There is an option that the whole conspiracy was based on the fact that Erdogan would be killed ...

          News on VM in the topic: "Two F-16 rebels kept Erdogan's plane at gunpoint" ...
          “At least two F-16s followed Erdogan’s board while he was heading to Istanbul. There were also two escort aircraft on the radars of the fighters, ”the agency’s source said. He admitted that he did not understand why the pilots did not open fire.

          And again the question: the name of that "Allah" who did not allow Erdogan to be shot down in the air ... Either escort fighters, or some kind of "well-wishers", or maybe VVP decided to pull out the president's colleague by the scruff of his neck - C- 400 there by side request
          There are many questions - not a single answer ...
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 18 July 2016 09: 07
            +1
            Quote: Andrey K And again the question: the name of the "Allah" who did not allow Erdogan to be shot down in the air ...

            S-400 as an option. Perhaps the head of the Turkish Air Force, Ozturk, did not dare at the last moment. It was "agreed" that Erdogan would be liquidated at the hotel, and then the chief pilot has another responsibility. Didn't you want to take it or didn't you give it?
            1. nadezhiva
              nadezhiva 18 July 2016 10: 20
              +2
              Erdogan didn’t shine in the window. Full confidence that the Turkish president was not on board the business jet. And some pilots, perhaps regretted.
          2. Lekxnumx
            Lekxnumx 18 July 2016 09: 40
            +7
            If it were not for the rush and Erdogan was captured, we would have a different picture before us. I am 90% sure that if Erdogan died or captured 80-90% of the army would go over to the rebels. And then there would be a distribution of power within the army. since not all corps military units are subordinate to the authorities, the officers were offended by the insult that the minority was a lie, a minority arranged a coup but the others supported their colleagues. At first, only one commander of one region supported Erdogan and the commander of the Navy. they took water into their mouths and sat watching how it would end, and only yesterday the generals first made an appeal where they condemned the coup. They said the surprising thing was exactly what the media were saying, that is, as it were ... In short, this is not the end, the army is in complete decline .Which officer will like when your even rebellious colleagues are beaten, humiliated, lynched, stripped to a goal, they are captured by some kind of civilian policemen in front of whom your comrades are raising their hands? eat such humiliation of honor and uniform of the army? In short, there will still be television movements
      2. cyberspace
        cyberspace 18 July 2016 14: 19
        +1
        Quote: Andrey K
        In general, a very murky story with this rebellion.

        I agree with the turbidity of history 100%, but it gives Erdogan a reason to cleanse the army of those who disagree with the Islamization of the Armed Forces, which is already in full swing. And then came the military prosecutor's office, judges and gendarmerie. All this crap can be called whatever you like - a dramatization, a circus with horses and blood, the meaning is the same - this is the manual "How not to make a coup." And here is what the Turks write - http://www.eg.ru/daily/world/53368/
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 July 2016 08: 19
      +5
      Quote: Altona
      Most likely this coup was conceived elsewhere by other people.

      Most likely, Erdogan himself organized it. Too strange a coup, usually the first thing they arrest is the president, and the military comes in when he is not in the capital.
      But now Erdogan’s hands are completely untied, he arrests anyone he doesn’t like. There will be full power of one person.
      1. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx 18 July 2016 09: 26
        +4
        Infa is quite one-sided, but still. The coup was made in a hurry, as an ATV of Turkey reports, one of the ordinary soldiers or an officer (not high ranks) called and announced his intention. It began with the fact that the general and the entire senior commander of the aircraft were at the wedding daughters of one of the generals. Sikorski helicopters flew in and took them hostage. So the operation was done in a hurry, the fact that it started at 22:00 says. Almost in all countries many establishments close and there are a lot of people on the street, besides all the bridges of Istanbul, the roads are in traffic jams. The question arises why not later? When everything is sleeping. Next, two refuelers rose from Incirlik, so that 10 F-7 rebels would be in the sky all the time, plus a certain number of helicopters, after rising to they bombed the air from the airdrome from which the ATV says so. The country's air force didn’t rise in rebellion and as soon as Erdogan flew out of Marmaris in the sky he was more likely covered by loyal forces Air Force. And the more so since helicopters flew and captured Erdogan 16 units with special forces killed two policemen, but Erdogan wasn’t there. Air Force forces to shoot down, rebellious F-3s, we could see a battle between ourselves at the Turkish Air Force. But this did not happen where the rebel F-16s went so far is not entirely clear, Yildrym said that we did not lose in aviation and none of the F-16s I didn’t fly abroad except for a helicopter in Greece. And maybe they were shot down because I saw only four pilots caught. Fuelers blocked the vehicles with civilian equipment as soon as they landed in Incirlik.
    4. el coyote
      el coyote 18 July 2016 10: 41
      +1
      This is not the last revolution ... The Chocolate Pride Revolution also did not take off the first time.
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 18 July 2016 07: 53
    +12
    If the United States extradits Gulen, Erdogan, from the awareness of his own importance, will generally "stop touching the ground" when walking. But this is unlikely to happen. Uncle Sam NEVER sagged, let alone under the Turks ...
    So guess now, in vain or not, GDP AGAIN SAVES the president of a nearby country. Gratitude in politics is a non-essential and ephemeral thing. Erdogan was obviously taken out from under the blow, otherwise he would have stayed at the Marmaris hotel, stuffed with lead. Judging by the shots from the scene, they stormed the hotel seriously and were not going to joke. They saved Yanukovych, but he turned out to be an outrageous coward, and did not even try to fight for his own illegally selected power ... But what to take from him, wretchedly.
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    2. Andrey K
      Andrey K 18 July 2016 08: 26
      +11
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      ... Uncle Sam NEVER caved in, and under the Turks ...

      I disagree with you. "Uncle Sam" never sagged - that's for sure (they just don't take that into account). Uncle Sam has interests, based on which - there is a possibility of Gülen's transfer. Erdogan "sat on the throne." The ears of the United States, from all this confusion just stick out clearly. Showdowns about "Uncle Sam's" involvement in this failed coup began yesterday.
      Are you sure that Gulen for the United States is more important than the presence of the second largest army on the southern flank of NATO? Or that it is more important than the presence of the Incirlik airbase in the United States (by the way, yesterday its work was blocked)?
      Uncle Sam, for his own benefit, will surrender anyone.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 18 July 2016 08: 35
        +8
        Quote: Andrey K Are you sure that Gulen for the United States is more important than the presence of the second largest army on the southern flank of NATO? Or that it is more important than the presence of the Incirlik airbase in the United States (by the way, yesterday its work was blocked)? Uncle Sam, for his own benefit, will turn over anyone.

        If the generals sing, and they do it, then the ears of the USE will be visible with evidence. An interesting result can come out of all this. With such support from the population, Erdogan could turn into another Khomeini. bully
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 18 July 2016 09: 03
          +9
          Quote: avva2012
          ... If the generals sing, and they do it, then the ears of the USE will be visible with evidence ...

          I agree with you hi
          In any case, the battered army elite will merge syshya. Although this is no longer important. Surely Erdogan, taking into account the loyalty of MİT and the police, already knows the whole alignment.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 18 July 2016 09: 15
            +5
            Quote: Andrey K In any case, the battered army elite will merge syshya. Although this is no longer important. Surely Erdogan, taking into account the loyalty of MİT and the police, already knows the whole alignment.

            Wai, wai, wai, how delicious everything can turn out!
            Turkey’s exit from NATO and the far-flung European Union, where the attitude to the Turks is not very good, to say the least. And Russia is a much more natural ally for the Turks. Given the still mature GDP policy.
            Turkey joining the SCO. Damn, pah, pah, pah, so as not to jinx it. hi
            1. nadezhiva
              nadezhiva 18 July 2016 10: 30
              +4
              Quote: avva2012
              Turkey's withdrawal from NATO and the far-sent EU
              Leaving NATO is questionable (depending on what evidence will be provided to Erdogan about the participation of the Americans in "drawing up the plan"), but in the EU: Erdogan is more interested in introducing the death penalty and burying all captured enemies than waiting another fifty years for an ephemeral proposal to join the EU.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 18 July 2016 11: 25
                +1
                Quote: nadezhiva Leaving NATO in question (depending on what evidence will be provided to Erdogan about the participation of the Americans in "drawing up the plan")

                This, I am so, in the order of dreams. But in itself the speech of the Turkish prime minister, in terms of an "unfriendly state", already gives some hope. All the same, such words are not uttered in politics from scratch.
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 18 July 2016 11: 36
                  +3
                  Can I ask you a question? Suppose Turkey withdrew from NATO ... And what is the interest of the Russian Federation? I am a pragmatist and I think that politics should be built on a solid foundation.

                  What is NATO? This is a military organization of the West. Can NATO in itself (say by order of the NATO commander) launch an attack on the Russian Federation? Ruled out. Decisions are not made by the military. This must be clearly understood and always remembered. The threat is not posed by NATO itself, but by the political elites that run it. This is primarily Washington. No Brussels, Paris or Ankara would dare to utter a word without an order from the Washington Regional Committee.

                  Let's go back to Turkey. This country has been in NATO for more than half a century. When was she a threat? In the late 50s, when Jupiters appeared on its territory. This led to the Caribbean crisis. Currently, it is not Turkey itself that represents the Yaugros, but the Incirlik base (where the Americans are in charge). And where the vigorous bombs are stored. Not against Assad ...

                  Why do Americans surrender Turkish generals and refuse them political asylum? After all, the hedgehog is clear that they are executed. Amers more important to maintain the base than Turkey itself or Erdogan.
                  And one more question. If Turkey leaves NATO, will it immediately join the CSTO? Do not tell my slippers. But she alone will not remain. With whom she will enter into an alliance - I don’t even want to guess.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 18 July 2016 11: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: Bakht If Turkey leaves NATO, will it immediately join the CSTO? Do not tell my slippers.

                    She will not be a member of the CSTO, a maximum of the SCO with the most favorable development of the situation. If any country comes from somewhere, this is not good for that organization. it is necessary to re-review the structure, change the strategy, but you never know what else. That is, the Western world is already getting big money. Not bad, at least.
                    Let's go back to Turkey. This country has been in NATO for more than half a century. When was she a threat? At the end of the 50's, when Jupiters appeared on its territory. This led to the Caribbean crisis. Currently, it’s not Turkey itself that represents Yaugroz, but the base Incirlik (where the Americans rule). And where the vigorous bombs are stored. Not against Assad ...

                    In the first part of your comment, you asked the question: "What is the interest of the Russian Federation?" Themselves answered. Base minus, 90 nuclear weapons, near the borders of Russia, minus. Possible placement of missile defense, the same.
                    Tell me, if Iran were a member of NATO, would we not care?
                    1. Bakht
                      Bakht 18 July 2016 11: 56
                      0
                      We are not talking about the SCO, but about the military bloc. Yes, minus nuclear weapons is a definite plus. But a couple of thousand militants (or a couple of tens of thousands) is a REAL minus. The closing of the Bosphorus ... The bearded men do not care about any Montreux conventions. This just brings the war closer. That is to say, "establishing constitutional order." And it's not a fact that the West will support it. Quite the opposite - there will be screeching ...

                      There are many nuances. I wondered why Putin came out in support of Erdogan? Not just called, but there is information that the summit is being prepared. Apparently the president of the Russian Federation wants some kind of preference. Perhaps just on this very base. But I always thought that momentary benefits should not obscure the prospect. The preservation of Erdogan clearly leads to the Islamization of the country and the collapse of Turkey.

                      There are more questions than answers. According to recent reports, Erdogan is still sitting in a chair not quite firmly.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 18 July 2016 12: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: Bakht But a couple of thousand militants (or a couple of tens of thousands) is a REAL minus. The closing of the Bosphorus ... The bearded men do not care about any Montreux conventions. This just brings the war closer. That is to say, "establishing constitutional order." And it's not a fact that the West will support it. Quite the opposite - there will be screeching ...

                        A couple of thousand militants, these are Wahhabi militants. They feel at ease there also because the USA oversees them through the SA.
                        Turkey is an Islamic state, I repeat, traditional Islamic, it is an enemy of the Arabian monarchies. Beards will be cut even faster than the putschists. But with them they will definitely not be channeling.
                        Turkey in conjunction with the United States, the enemy of Russia, and indeed to all the closest states. Without the USA, an independent state pursues its own policy. Not the fact that in the mainstream of Russia, but this is not necessary. The main thing is that there will be more another independent state.
                        Good neighborly relations with Russia are solid buns for Turkey. Well, who needs Turkish fruit and vegetables, goods in Europe? The Russian market, everything will be crushed and there will be enough space for its producers. Gas, nuclear power, and much more. Who in your mind will close the straits after this?
                        Apparently the president of the Russian Federation wants some kind of preference. Perhaps just on this very base. But I always thought that momentary benefits should not obscure the prospect. The preservation of Erdogan clearly leads to the Islamization of the country and the collapse of Turkey.

                        What is wrong with traditional Islam? How is Islam different from Orthodoxy? The value of marriage, family, state, both here and here. It’s not the Middle Ages for us to fool around and fight. Inside Russia, Islam and Orthodoxy coexist that we can’t get along with a neighboring country if it is free from the United States with its pederast values?
                        At the expense of decay. Sorry, but you are confusing something. This is the United States in every way playing the card of Kurdistan. Russia, in the last turn, benefits from the collapse of a neighboring country and, accordingly, tension on its borders. Oh, USA, fine.
                        This is the preference of Vladimir Putin. Rich Turkey is outside the US zone, and this could not be dreamed of in a single dream until recently.
                      2. Bakht
                        Bakht 18 July 2016 12: 50
                        +2
                        We will see.

                        I just want to note that there is nothing wrong with Islam. As in Christianity. Bad things in religion are fanatics. And right now there are a lot of them in Islam. Due to the age of religion. Well, let's say this. Now is the 15th century Hijra. What did Christian missionaries do in the 15th century, I don’t need to say, I hope? If the heads were not cut, they were burned at the stake. And the Inquisition was invented.

                        About Turkey. I’m trying to prove that without Erdogan the problems with the Kurds were more or less resolved. It was he who launched the war of annihilation. And he got into Syrian affairs in vain. About 10 years ago, the generals did not allow him to get into Iraq. And now he climbed into the jaws of the dragon.

                        In general, comrades live in interesting times. I remember the slogan "Assad must go!" As of today, Cameron has left, Obama and Merkel are on departure. Hollande is a big question. Erdogan is shaking. No matter how it turns out that Assad will stay, and everyone else will leave ...
                      3. avva2012
                        avva2012 18 July 2016 16: 38
                        +2
                        In general, comrades live in interesting times. I remember the slogan "Assad must go!" As of today, Cameron has left, Obama and Merkel are on departure. Hollande is a big question. Erdogan is shaking. No matter how it turns out that Assad will stay, and everyone else will leave ...

                        The good word is "comrades".
                        One thing I can say. The President of Turkey has a unique opportunity to do what Ataturk could not even turn Turkey into a truly independent state. To establish relations with the northern neighbor. Become a center, though not in everything, but in the Sunni world for sure.
                        We will see.
  • Wildfox
    Wildfox 18 July 2016 07: 57
    +5
    Come on ! Gulen is a very influential person and so that the putschists did not try to enlist his support .... Incredibly. In any case, he knew about the impending rebellion. The question of how much it is smeared is unclear, but what about the chapels, do not go to the grandmother. hi
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 18 July 2016 08: 00
    +1
    Erdogan demanded that the US extradite "the leader of the terrorists Gulen."

    they won’t give it back, and Erdogan will not trample against the meriticos. fellow
  • Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 18 July 2016 08: 01
    +8
    In the situation in Turkey there are more questions than answers and a lot of incomprehensible things. But our tourists who left feeling like gentlemen will have to be saved again at the expense of the rest of us - this is clearly understandable.
  • Abbra
    Abbra 18 July 2016 08: 01
    +8
    It seems to me that the USA will not surrender Gulen. It is an excellent tool for manipulations of various kinds. Especially at a time when Erdogan began to get out of hand ...
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 18 July 2016 08: 57
      +2
      Quote: Abbra
      It seems to me that the USA will not surrender Gulen. It is an excellent tool for manipulations of various kinds.


      Right Tse such Turkish Yanukovych. laughing
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 18 July 2016 08: 08
    +10
    Stripping.
    "Detention warrants issued in Turkey 2745 judges and prosecutors.
    As BAKU.WS reports with reference to NTV TV channel, according to information, judges and prosecutors, in respect of which the Prosecutor General's Office of Ankara decided, are accused of membership and assistance of the “terrorist organization Fethullah Gulen”.
    Note that this is the most massive arrest decision in the history of Turkey. "
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 18 July 2016 08: 16
    -2
    And a year has not passed since the moment when our plane was shot down, and Turkey is already shaking not for detski. Coincidence? Probably:)
  • avva2012
    avva2012 18 July 2016 08: 18
    +5
    Generals. Now they look like this.
    1. ruskih
      ruskih 18 July 2016 09: 32
      +2
      Greetings, Alexander! love Are these generals all Islamists or are there Kemalists among them?
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 18 July 2016 09: 44
        +2
        Good day, Elena! love
        These generals are not exactly known, but in the traditions of the Turkish army, or rather its generals, there is a greater tendency towards liberal values ​​than towards Islam. They love the dollar as their loved ones.
        On the contrary, what I read recently indicates that in Turkey the population has a mood for returning to Islam and its values.
        1. ruskih
          ruskih 18 July 2016 14: 32
          +1
          Just very interesting. 1. If Erdogan accuses the Islamist structures in the army of whom they are detaining, only the Islamists or under the guise of everyone who is objectionable.
          2. If he accuses the Islamists of the army, whom he wants to count on, is it really the Kemalists whom he previously removed.
          In general, how the army will behave in the future ...
  • jovanni
    jovanni 18 July 2016 08: 36
    0
    Quote: avva2012
    Perhaps someone very authoritative called and reported at the very last moment.


    But who, GDP of course! laughing
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 18 July 2016 08: 42
      +2
      Quote: Jovanni But who, GDP of course!

      GDP, the first to respond to the coup attempt, is a fact. The fact that Obama did not call, this is precisely established. laughing
  • imugn
    imugn 18 July 2016 08: 46
    +2
    Very little information on what the rebels wanted.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 18 July 2016 09: 08
      +2
      We can only assume that these are extreme right-wingers and our plane was shot down by their order.
      Following the French proverb: they are more royalists than the king himself.
  • papont64
    papont64 18 July 2016 09: 05
    0
    Love, hope, quiet glory

    We were deceived for a short while,

    Young fun disappeared,

    Like a dream, like a morning mist;

    But we still burn with desire,

    Under the yoke of power fatal

    An impatient soul

    Homeland vneshlem calling.

    We are waiting with a longing for hope

    Minutes of holy liberty,

    How to wait for a lover young

    Minutes of a true date.

    While free burn

    While hearts for honor are alive,

    My friend, dedicate to the fatherland

    Souls are wonderful impulses!

    Comrade, believe: she will rise,

    Captivating Star of Happiness,

    And the Turks will rise from a dream,

    And on the ruins of autocracy

    Write our names!
  • MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 18 July 2016 09: 12
    -4
    Most likely this "coup" is from the same opera as the explosions of the Twin Towers. It has already been proven that there were no planes (photomontage for TV). The twins were formed from a directed undermining and to achieve their goal, the "democrats" did not spare 2000 innocent citizens. But in Turkey there was some kind of malfunction of the program ... Well, the dead 290 people are absolutely not sorry - this is a trifle in achieving the goal. The main thing is to stir up ...
  • Bakht
    Bakht 18 July 2016 10: 09
    +2
    If you disconnect from the process of the coup ...

    Erdogan is an Islamist. It is a fact. Gulen is also an Islamist, just a competitor to Erdogan for the Islamization of the country. So these two are each other's worth. I would not make out which of them is closer to Allah. This is their personal sexual affair.

    Erdogan leads the country to Islamization. And the army served as an obstacle to him. This bad man betrayed Ataturk's covenants and leads the country to decay. So the overthrow of Erdogan is a long overdue question. Leave a conspiracy thesis. Turks participated in the coup. Those patriots who see where the country is heading. There were no cookies or other surprises. And in an appeal to the people, Erdogan called for the salvation of Islam in Turkey. He appealed to the Islamists.

    What do we have now? Erdogan has consolidated his personal power. (Well, in my life I don’t believe that judges and prosecutors were involved in the coup. Rather, they were related to the opposition to Erdogan personally). But Turkey's problems remain. And the main problem is Erdogan himself. The army has been almost completely cleared. There is no opposition. The media are under complete control. Under Erdogan's "wise leadership", the country may cease to exist.

    Why do Putin and Obama support Erdogan? He is not an ally to anyone. Neither Moscow nor Washington. This bastard is actually the leader and sponsor of ISIS. And this is the brainchild of the States and an instrument of the struggle against B. Assad. So Washington’s support is provided to him. But Putin believes that he bent Erdogan after 6 months of sanctions and Erdogan became an obedient calf. In both cases, this is a mistake.

    For a long time you can discuss all the nuances. For me, the fact remains that Erdogan leads the country to Islamization and, as a result, to collapse. Erdogan’s personal power strengthened, and Turkey’s position weakened. The Turkish army can be written off and no longer taken into account. Those officers and generals who were educated in the West and hoped for help from the West in a deep priest. Turkey expects an intensification of civil war with the Kurds and totalitarian Islam with elements of fascism. A certain version of ISIS. In Turkish blogs, there are already reports that Turkish soldiers are lynched on the streets of the Kurds and ISIS.

    Summary - everything is very bad. It is a pity that Erdogan did not catch his bullet. Otherwise, bright horizons in Turkey is not visible.
    1. Operator
      Operator 18 July 2016 10: 17
      +1
      Are you a Turk or an American (otherwise why so often regret the breakup of a NATO member - Turkey)?

      According to a statement by US presidential candidate Donald Trump, ISIS is the brainchild of American neocons and Hillary Clinton in particular.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 18 July 2016 10: 42
        0
        Hilary Clinton - nobody and calling her in any way. Everyone can’t tear himself away from personification. Neocons is a serious political trend. And this fool Clinton is not sure that he even knows what his essence is. Like Obama. A screen and nothing more.

        By the way - neocons come from liberals. But now, almost all of them are members of the Republican Party. How Democrat Clinton became a neocon, this is unknown to me. There completely different people rule the ball.
  • Bakht
    Bakht 18 July 2016 10: 34
    +3
    If the question is for me, then I am Azerbaijani. And I will be terribly sorry if Turkey as a secular state ceases to exist.

    And if you are Russian, then tell me what preferences will Russia receive if Turkey turns from a secular state into an Islamic one? ISIS is the brainchild of the Americans, and if you applaud the collapse of Turkey, then bring the war closer to the territory of the Russian Federation.

    But this is your own business. You want a lot of Islamists in the North Caucasus - a flag in your hands.
    1. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik 18 July 2016 10: 55
      +2
      As a rule, few people think about the consequences. If something happens with Turkey, the whole region will shake so that it doesn’t seem like much, only those who have nothing to lose will be happy, or those who are very, very far away. This is what Putin and Obama thought about when they supported Erdogan. In the end, of course, the military would have taken control, but at what cost?
      Turkey’s loss of the secular nature of statehood is a nightmare for Europe and the United States.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 18 July 2016 11: 37
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        Quote: Knizhnik Turkey’s loss of the secular nature of statehood is a nightmare for Europe and the United States.

        It’s like a nightmare. That's just which way it will go, that’s the question. If along the path of Iran, then traditional Islam, as a connecting thread for citizens, as an ideology, is welcomed, i.e., for. A country will arise, as a counterweight to the Wahhabi Saudi Arabia, what's wrong with that?
        A pole of power is forming for the Sunni population of BV and Asia, in spite of the disorganizing policy, primarily the United States. And the opponent of the United States, though not an ally, is still better for Russia, and other neighboring countries. In any case, a precedent.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 18 July 2016 12: 01
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          For two obvious reasons, Turkey cannot become a unifying factor in the Islamic world. In Iran, the situation is different. There is a slightly different religion. There are no sacred elements of Islam in Turkey. Well, what will believers worship? They will still go to Saudi Arabia. And they will pray turning to face the Kaaba.
          And the second minus is the Kurds. The creation of Kurdistan automatically turns Turkey into a weak state.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 18 July 2016 12: 25
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            And they will pray turning to face the Kaaba.

            Will be. But, who said that the monarchy of the SA is good for all Muslims? Is it really only in VO that the ideology of the USA is an enemy to the whole world around it? If traditional Muslims associate SA with the United States, then despite their money, sooner or later the political system of these monarchies will end. Maybe with the help of independent Turkey? wink
            Kurds, yes, the problem. But, in my opinion, if there is a desire, then you can agree. Among the putschists there were many military involved in the fight against the Kurds. Maybe for good reason.
        2. Knizhnik
          Knizhnik 18 July 2016 12: 20
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          On BV there is a certain balance of forces of Sunniism (Saudis and others like them) and Shiism (Iran), a sharp change of which threatens a massacre. The United States has not in vain lifted sanctions from Iran, this is an attempt to correct the imbalance caused by the events of recent years - the destabilization of Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria, in which the Arabs were vitally (in every sense) interested. Arabs are not warriors, they are afraid of a growing Iran, there was hope for an army of traditionally Sunni Turkey, hence the close alliance of Arabs and Turkey in recent years. But there is a nuance - the army was not religious before, now this process is ongoing, but slowly.
          Maybe these religious "graters" seem strange to us, the Arabs and Iranians take them extremely seriously.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 18 July 2016 12: 29
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            Quote: Knizhnik Arabs are not warriors, they are afraid of a growing Iran, there was hope for an army of traditionally Sunni Turkey, hence the close alliance of Arabs and Turkey in recent years.

            I would write differently, "a close alliance not with Sunni Turkey, but with a US vassal." If Turkey becomes a truly Sunni state, then maybe Wahhabism will subside?
            1. Knizhnik
              Knizhnik 18 July 2016 13: 44
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              Arabs import Wahhabism, to confront it is necessary to have a strong secular basis of the state and not have big social problems.
      2. Bakht
        Bakht 18 July 2016 21: 01
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        A nightmare comes true

        Monuments to Ataturk demolished in Turkey
        http://haqqin.az/news/75619
  • Bakht
    Bakht 18 July 2016 11: 02
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    Quote: Knizhnik
    As a rule, few people think about the consequences.
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    Turkey’s loss of the secular nature of statehood is a nightmare for Europe and the United States.

    For the United States, this is not the biggest nightmare. Creating an independent Kurdistan is on Washington's agenda. Did the suppression of the coup reduce or increase the danger of such a development of events? This bitch Erdogan, understands that by humiliating the army and purging, he reduces the chances of preserving the country? Stuffing his pocket on a gesheft with Kurds and ISIS, he betrays the interests of the nation.

    PS I have always made a distinction between Erdogan and Turkey.
    1. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik 18 July 2016 12: 33
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      The United States has been flirting with the Kurds for more than a year, they have been promised statehood since the time of Saddam (Are). But each time Turkey interrupts the map with some concessions, and I think the United States likes it. Wait until October.
      "Russia has two allies - the army and the navy" is a slogan that is 100% applicable to Turkey. The unique role of the Armed Forces as a guarantor of democracy is something that Erdogan could not come to terms with, although I think it should be proud of. Erdogan did a lot of harm to the national interests of Turkey. Not aware of his gesheft with the Kurds, but the fear of going down in history as being responsible for the collapse of the country affected him - instead of appeasing the Kurds, he angered them. In short, he did a business ...
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 18 July 2016 12: 56
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        Erdogan is closer to his pocket than the nation and state. Turkey trades with ISIS and Iraqi Kurdistan. That is, Erdogan is friends with Barzani, and Ocalan is in prison. But supporting Iraqi Kurdistan, he does not accept any Syrian or Turkish Kurdistan. Barzani has already won the fame of a traitor among the Kurds.

        The Kurdish question has no easy solution. And I am afraid that the collapse of Iraq and Syria creates the prerequisites for the creation of a new state. But this new state will never leave vast territories and several million Kurds in Turkey. If Erdogan weakens the army, then the Kurds will go on the offensive.

        PS I think so .... (quote)
        1. Knizhnik
          Knizhnik 18 July 2016 13: 13
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          Clear oil. This Barzani is not so simple, I'm afraid he will still surprise everyone.
          The Turkish leadership understands that if only a small Kurdish state arises somewhere, problems in the face of those who are eager to become its citizens (with their territory) will grow like a snowball. Who knows, maybe they’ll also agree. request
    2. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik 18 July 2016 14: 20
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      Facebook post

      Eynulla fatullayev
      12 h
      The army was systematically humiliated and insulted, harassed and mocked. Contrary to the Constitution, they tried to remove her from the political life of the country. And now the young guys are beaten, stripped, humiliated, killed. Nowhere in the world is there such a correlation in rebellion when a soldier dies more than civilians. This means that they were killed after the victory of Erdogan's supporters. Now he is doomed. Even his allies turn away from him. The long-term rule of an undisputed leader and a very charismatic politician turned out to be too long! The army, the intelligentsia, the journalists will definitely turn their backs on him. Once and forever! And these are the problems of our beloved Turkey. To be honest - Erdogan is obliged to leave. What else can harm your country more than he did?

      Eynulla Fatullaev - a well-known journalist in Azerbaijan
    3. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik 18 July 2016 14: 25
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      “Let's be honest. Erdogan didn’t just depart from Ataturk’s precepts, he consciously changed the country all these years and the Turkish army was the main obstacle in his way. Many forget that Mustafa Kemal Atatürk was a staunch anti-clerical and a supporter of a secular republic. Erdogan’s merits in strengthening the Turkish economy, in its successes in recent years, in the growth of its authority should certainly be recognized. But we must also admit that all these years he consciously destroyed the secular spirit of the Turkish army, seeing in it his main ideological opponent ”- this is the writer Chingiz Abdullaev, full interview http://haqqin.az/news/75566
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 18 July 2016 11: 29
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    Erdogan continues to state that Turkish preacher Fethullah Gulen, who is in the USA, tried to organize a coup in Turkey

    how would it all become clear who and why is behind this Gulen.
    But it’s interesting that Erdogan doesn’t even dare to rumor that the states are behind this.
    But I’m sure that some Washington post is already stamped with articles on Putin’s involvement in the coup.
  • mamont5
    mamont5 18 July 2016 11: 41
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    Quote: Altona
    Gülen yesterday in an interview said literally the following "that violence is incompatible with democracy." Most likely, this coup was planned elsewhere and by other people.


    It is possible that Erdogan himself. He was very "lucky" during this "coup". But it’s not a fact that it will continue to be also lucky.
  • miru mir
    miru mir 18 July 2016 17: 06
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    It seems that Turkey will begin to slide into the Islamic Middle Ages ...