Is there a chance for a project economy in Russia?

Behind the series of truly resonant events of the past week - in France and Turkey, and Armenia, too, a few in the shadow remained an important internal Russian event - a meeting of the Presidential Council on Strategic Development and Priority Projects. The Council itself is a new structure for modern Russia, the creation of which became known during the International Economic Forum in St. Petersburg. The statement that the Council on Strategic Development and Priority Projects (CEPA) is starting to work was made by President Vladimir Putin himself.

Is the significance of such an event as the beginning of the work of the SCEP? In fact, the significance is difficult to overestimate, since, in essence, a body is being created to become a think tank for finding ideas and solutions related to the modernization of the Russian economy. The significance of the event is also great because the duties of the representatives of the Council include work related to making decisions to improve the situation in the social sphere, which, of course, is directly related to the economic sphere.

Press office Kremlin leads President Vladimir Putin’s statement:

For each direction, priority projects should be formulated and launched. The Council will set tasks, determine ways to solve them and monitor the progress of projects.

The work ahead should be nationwide. It must involve experts, entrepreneurs, civil society activists. That is why today I asked you to gather here to talk about it, and earlier I asked my colleagues to form a composition in such a way that it would include representatives from business associations and the Public Chamber.

So, the Russian president decided to create a platform that can and should accumulate the most sensible ideas for the economic development of the country. At the same time, Vladimir Putin notes that this platform should not be in the nature of a “cozy small party” - a circle of people whose expertise is so great from their personal point of view that they do not take into account other points of view on economic issues in the country definition. Under the conditions of obvious economic problems that the Russian economy is facing, working in the mode of “narrow small parties”, which are collected almost exclusively from HSE students, is, as they say in diplomatic circles, counterproductive. What kind of project economics can we talk about if all major projects in such “circles of interest” are stably reduced to a single formula — nothing but active investments in green candy wrappers and filling a reserve nugget. A reserve nugget is certainly not a bad thing - a “black day stash” will never be superfluous, but it is not necessary to bring matters to an absurdity. And the absurdity is most often associated with the fact that the role of the egg capsules was put (put) by individual economic gurus above any of the strategically important roles associated with the development of the real sector of the economy. They say that it is necessary to save money in any case, but the defense industry, the construction sphere, science and education, and medicine can wait. So many years have waited that in some areas almost to the death of entire industries ...

With such “expert” logic, Russia has been living in recent years, expecting not breakthrough solutions in reforming the economy, but, trivially, the next stage in the rise in oil prices.

Now, it seems, the president himself pays attention to the fact that “it is impossible to live like this”, and that it is the project economy that, using the most diverse tools, can become a new reality in the country. Allocation of priority projects with their financing and putting them in the mode of either earning a profit or servicing the most important social issues is exactly the task that the Presidential Council, by definition, is obliged to solve.

That's all seemingly good. Everything seems to be great. However, there are some nuances that make one fear for the effectiveness of the Council’s work on strategic development and priority projects. For example, leadership presidium SSRPP. About who will head the presidency, said Vladimir Putin himself:

The Council Presidium will be headed by Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev, Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation.

On the one hand, okay, although not Anatoly Borisovich Chubais. But on the other hand ... This is, after all, that same Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev, under the vigilant vigil of which a considerable number of fairly promising projects were eventually bureaucratic beyond the limits. This is the same Dmitry Anatolyevich, who, as if initiating raising the minimum wage bar on 20 with extra percent, immediately declares that it is impossible to raise pensions even by 4% and in addition calls for it or here (for Dmitry Anatolyevich it is not important) to keep ...

It is, of course, understandable - the appointment of Dmitry Medvedev as the head of the Presidium of the SSRUP under the President of the Russian Federation allows at least to know the name of someone who would be responsible if something goes wrong. But, on the other hand, is not such an appointment an advance signal from the state to the fact that there is no need to pin high hopes on the Council. They say it will work as it can - and that’s fine ...

At the same time, it is clear that Dmitry Medvedev is being given a new chance to demonstrate not only the ability to use Apple devices and microblogging ... On the eve of the elections, and Medvedev is the chairman of the parliamentary majority party, such a chance means a lot. For example, the fact that the party, which brought together the entire modern nomenclature, having added the staff to the directors of secondary schools, the chief physicians of regional hospitals, singers and TV presenters, is not so much a self-controlled colossus as a real political force capable of taking responsibility for failures too. Although how many such chances have already been given ... With the realization of chances today, it seems that only the players of the Russian national team are worse off ...

However, running ahead with the findings is also useless. The Council was created, the first meeting was held, the range of goals and objectives is indicated, the President voiced the issue of increasing responsibility in the framework of the work. If expert groups with different views and approaches to economics are really allowed to work, and if the mechanism starts to work, then it will be possible to see the uninitiated person in the near future. But if the entire work of the Council on creating a project economy segment is habitual for similar structures, it will result in no more than paper reports, then it will be possible to put a tick in front of another promising project, which is derailed.

Comments

[siberalt]

So it is so. There, on a nearby branch about the sale of Baikal water to China. The struggle for fresh water is just beginning (but "without water, and neither there, nor syudy"). If our liberals in power have at least a drop of conscience and zeal for Russia, then on fresh bottled (namely bottled), and not through pipelines, the citizens of Russia can live on the rent from the sale of fresh water. Surely trading in Siberian round timber taught nothing? Without forest and water there will be no.

[razmik72]

Quote: siberalt

So it is so. There, on a nearby branch about the sale of Baikal water to China. The struggle for fresh water is just beginning (but "without water, and neither there, nor syudy"). If our liberals in power have at least a drop of conscience and zeal for Russia, then on fresh bottled (namely bottled), and not through pipelines, the citizens of Russia can live on the rent from the sale of fresh water. Surely trading in Siberian round timber taught nothing? Without forest and water there will be no.

Sibiralt, what kind of liberals are in power in Russia, can you tell me? If you consider dollar billionaires as liberals, then you are greatly mistaken. Who is a liberal in Russia, if not a secret? The kleptocracy trading in the country's natural resources does not pass for the "liberals"; they have invented the appropriate term all over the world - clan-oligarchic bureaucracy.

[Temples]

Who is a liberal in Russia, if not a secret?

It's no secret - the government is headed by Medvedev.

If you consider dollar billionaires to be liberals, then you are greatly mistaken.

Sir, do you intend to confuse concepts?
Where does it say that a liberal is a beggar?
The "final", so to speak, an accomplished liberal is precisely the billionaire.
Otherwise, why did your friends invent this concept?

But the fact that the Russians cannot accept liberalism in any way seems to annoy you.
But these are your problems.

And our problems are precisely in the government.
But these are our problems.
So, leave your advice to yourself.

[razmik72]

Quote: Temples

Who is a liberal in Russia, if not a secret?

It's no secret - the government is headed by Medvedev.

If you consider dollar billionaires to be liberals, then you are greatly mistaken.

Sir, do you intend to confuse concepts?
Where does it say that a liberal is a beggar?
The "final", so to speak, an accomplished liberal is precisely the billionaire.
Otherwise, why did your friends invent this concept?

But the fact that the Russians cannot accept liberalism in any way seems to annoy you.
But these are your problems.

And our problems are precisely in the government.
But these are our problems.
So, leave your advice to yourself.

Temples, when there are no special arguments, they try, like you, to shut up an opponent’s mouth with the fact that he is not Russian, he is from another country. with yourself. That's just the level of discussion will be appropriate.
A liberal is a person who allows freedom, be it economic or political. What kind of economic freedom in Russia are we talking about today, if the main companies are state-owned, and they are practically managed very badly. In a liberal economy, such inefficient companies quickly become bankrupt, which is not very bad. In one case, the state gives loans and strictly monitors that these funds go exactly as intended (for example, loans to the Generic Motors and Chrysler auto concerns), after the return of all loans, external management from these companies was withdrawn, or the company does not receive government loans and in many cases becomes bankrupt, which is very painful, but better than the Russian economic model, when inefficient production is supported by a constant injection of money and these injections play a very negative role, as they artificially keep them afloat practically bankrupt production and do not allow other, more progressiveforms of management. Uncontrolled injection of money is unclear what will ultimately lead to sad results.

[Temples]

I don’t shut your mouth.

Free trade, or liberal in your opinion, is necessary to capture part of the market and is a tool to enter a previously closed market.

Our government has dealt with this liberalization.

As a result, we even have to come up with a new term - import substitution.
In other words, they scratch their turnips as they get rid of freedom in trade.
From liberalism.

Now the liberal is pushing, suffering from the realization that they began to move him from the market.

True, our-your liberals in the government are only verbally import-substituting.

That is our problem.

[razmik72]

Khramov, you do not want to admit the obvious things and are trying to transfer the dialogue to another plane. Where in my commentary did I write that liberalism is needed in trade? Liberalism is needed primarily in production, I clearly wrote about this, citing the example of the American company General Motors. Without liberalism in all spheres of human relations, it will be like we have in Armenia, when my acquaintance turned to the ministry and asked to issue him a drilling license wells and the extraction of mineral water. So, a friend was told in the face that this is the diocese of the prime minister and that no one from the "outside" is given a license !! So, dear Khramov, and you say, liberals, liberals. What the hell is liberals, this is a classic clan-oligarchic system with harsh coercion of the people.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: razmik72

So, a friend was told in person that this is the diocese of the Prime Minister

Is it better when the multinationals do the same, using lobbyism, unfair advertising, etc.? And they do not prohibit searching for free niches either in the Russian Federation or in Armenia.

[Lyubopyatov]

Khramov, "our government" means yours. For me, a liberal is Khramov.

[1812]

Dmitry Medvedev is given the chance to finally finish off the RUSSIAN economy.
The Medvedev government had enough time to get the economy out of the crisis, but nothing was done and nothing will be done until the mediocre, not professional government is completely replaced by professionals capable of pulling the economy out of the hole into which these mediocrity drove it.

[bondarenko]

The trouble is that the members of this "government" of the liberals did not even go to school. If they had studied, they would have known the thesis of one little-known economist of the early 19th century. "He scolded Homer, Theocritus, because he read Adam Smith and was a deep economist. He knew and could judge what the state is getting rich on, what it lives on and why, he does not need gold (oil) when he has a SIMPLE PRODUCT.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: razmik72

Generic motors"

surely you made a reservation ...
Generic Motors is a car dealer in GTA San Andreas. auto concern - General Motors.

[Tsoy]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Generic Motors is a car dealer in GTA San Andreas.

Oldfag Detected

[Al1977]

Quote: Temples

But the fact that the Russians cannot accept liberalism in any way seems to annoy you.

Do not confuse liberalism with liberals?
What kind of liberal value are you personally very annoying about in the country?
Freedom of speech? Freedom of movement? Private business? Multiparty system? The right to vote?

[tatra]

Quote: Al1977

Do not confuse liberalism with liberals?

We had this "liberalism" in the 90s, when Yeltsin and the so-called liberals threw off responsibility for the country and the people.
Freedom, you understand.
Those who crucify about liberalism are either fools or liars.

[Al1977]

Quote: tatra

We had this "liberalism" in the 90s, when Yeltsin and the so-called liberals threw off responsibility for the country and the people.
Freedom, you understand.
Those who crucify about liberalism are either fools or liars.

So you did not answer the direct question, what liberal values ​​would you personally cancel right away? As I understand it, one lot, one TV channel and an iron curtain? Correctly?

[Temples]

Do not confuse liberalism with liberals?

Al1977,

there is a Russian word - tolerance.

The very fact that the term liberalism is used speaks volumes.

Russians have always had tolerance.
Otherwise, the Orthodox do not exist.
But everything has limits, including tolerance.
I will not list.


But liberalism hides behind its non-Russian word a lot of nasty things and abominations.

That is why they use this word in order to hide the disgusting components.

Like, take it in one package.

So I do not accept a single package.
Like millions of my compatriots.

[Al1977]

Quote: Temples

So I do not accept a single package.
Like millions of my compatriots.

So specifically, what needs to be canceled? Elections? Information or freedom of movement?
I do not argue with you, I just want specifics. Are you for the election or against? Are you for a multi-party system or against? Are you for freedom of movement or against? Can you SPECIFICLY answer, yes or no?

[Cresta999]

1. Nobody canceled freedom of movement even in the Union.
2. Liberalism is bad in that it implies the supremacy of the individual over society.
3. Any, even the best, initiative can be turned into punishment if you do not follow the rules of the golden mean.
4. Is it possible that even on such a serious resource there are still people who believe in the "invisible hand of the market" ?! (Ie the liberal model of the economy). And if there are any, then think, why is the US economy planned? The market and competition are there only in areas that are not of interest to corporations (consider the state as the spokesman for the interests of the ruling elites).

[Ivan Ivanov]

"Liberalism proclaims the rights and freedoms of every person as the highest value." The question and the problem is who determines the rights and freedoms, in fact they are determined by the strong, respectively, and the rights of the strong. For example, the right to be a billionaire among the poor.

[Al1977]

Quote: IvanIvanov

"Liberalism proclaims the rights and freedoms of every person as the highest value"

You can replace the word "liberalism" with socialism or communism. Values ​​are the same. The question is who is in power. Therefore, it's not about values, it's about politicians who are in power and who share the same values ​​- their own profit. And this was both under socialism, and so it is under democracy and capitalism. The essence of people does not change from the name.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: Al1977

The question is who is in power.

The values ​​are different, communism declares social equality, public ownership of the means of production and the results of labor, equality of opportunity. For capital, stratification, competition by any means available is the norm, hence the robbery of the weak, the privatization of scientific achievements, etc. is natural. Since it was only a matter of leadership, there was no need to build capitalism - I found a decent overlord and serve myself.

[Al1977]

Quote: IvanIvanov

The values ​​are different, communism declares social equality, public ownership of the means of production and the results of labor, equality of opportunity.

And what, in the USSR was social equality and equality of opportunity?
You know, now, if you want to work, you can always find a decent job. And as for public ownership, it has long been established, the general means a draw.
And the competition has many advantages. This is the desire for development, and cost reduction and quality improvement. And what's good when the store has one kind of hat. Or one brand of car. What did this lead to? It led to the fact that almost all of our industries, when opening markets, remained not competitive.
And the stratification of society, so this is not a question of liberalism, but of the fact that we have clan-oligarchic capitalism.

[Ivan Ivanov]

In the USSR there were contradictions not a secret, it was necessary to solve, Kosygin tried, but the stratification by property is incomparable with the present, since equality was considered a basic value; they were imprisoned for illegal enrichment. You can make money in retail, on virtual products, some seasonal jobs, only the economy does not consist of them alone, a complex product = collective labor, and the surplus value is appropriated by a narrow group, from which a belief such as "common means nobody" is what they got in their hands in common, leaving the majority with nothing. Incidentally, there are forms of collective ownership, participation in management in the West, according to the effectiveness of norms. In the 18-19th century, capital in the west was quite wild (see Fr. henry, Dickens, Kafka), in 30 years in Norway! strikes were still being shot, social capitalism appeared in the second half of the 20th century, the peak of the 60-70s, thanks to the struggle of trade unions, the existence of an alternative in the form of the USSR. Now achievements are being rolled back, wages for workers in the United States are falling, and capital is growing. Competition is not an easy question, we need to investigate the topic. At first glance, it adds drive, but there are a lot of forms of competition, and the basis is the desire to destroy, therefore, it can hardly serve as the basis for long-term development, and even more so for cooperation. Again, fundamental science often develops without competition (Maxwell, Einstein). A cap. the system of patents is generally a brake on development.

[Vadim237]

There are many examples when people from poverty rose to millionaires and billionaires - no one bothered them in this.

[russian redut]

What kind of nonsense, have Jewish stories been read?)

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: Vadim237

There are many examples when people from poverty rose to millionaires and billionaires - no one bothered them in this.

Yeah, they washed the potatoes and then got the inheritance. joke. How many such people are as a percentage of the population? As a rule, by coincidence, socialism (in theory) is an equal opportunity for all, how many technical intelligentsia, scientists in the USSR came out of simple

[Vadim237]

No inheritance, the guys earned their hump, now there are a lot of such people, someone in the IT field has risen, someone in the repair of the technology for the provision of services, etc. - it’s just that someone succeeds, but someone does not succeed.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Temples

But the fact that the Russians cannot accept liberalism in any way seems to annoy you.
But these are your problems.

Tell me, Serge.

[captain]

With such a captain as Medvedev, this organization has no future. Apparently our president is tired.

[alexej123]

razmik72, but tell me, what is the socio-political system in the United States, who is in power there, their fortunes, who wins the presidential race, how much money is collected for them, what President Carter spoke about about six months ago? So, for those who are "in the know", it is in the United States that the power of the oligarchy is where decisions are made in the interests of TNCs and big business, look from which families the Presidents are chosen? At least multimillionaires. Look how much money is being collected for the pre-election race, it is already exceeding a billion. Are ordinary workers thrown off? Big business gives money, but for what purposes? I don't remember Carter's statement literally, but the meaning is that there is no democracy in the USA, there is the power of big business. It is not necessary to sit on VO just to "paraffin" Russia.

[razmik72]

I haven’t read the last statements of the not most successful US president, I don’t know, but the same TNCs are a private shop, they pay huge taxes to the treasury of the same USA, and if at least one of them occupies a dominant position in the economy, then it rises against it the congress itself and the company are simply crushed. For example, Microsoft, they used antitrust legislation against it. And in Russia, the friends of the “supreme” are appointed to grain positions in state-owned companies and receive fabulous fees, practically not responsible for anything.
As for the American elections and the huge money spent there, it’s their tradition, their internal affair, they don’t spend public finances on it, which is not very bad.

[alexej123]

In any case, the election fee is "not bad". "Iron logic. Did it ever occur to you that there is a demand for the "fee"? In the capitalist world, NOBODY PAYS SO MONEY. This is an axiom. For Carter - well, it's not for you to judge his success, judge his statements, statements of the person who ruled the United States and knows a lot of things that I don't know. And for the form of ownership of the companies - it was the state form of ownership that made it possible to seize super-profits and use them in the defense industry, social services, etc. For example, YUKOS is a private company, in your opinion, just a darling. She lied to hell on taxes, which is why she paid. Many of them are located offshore. Will you take much from them? By the way, the same problem in the same USA. Therefore, "about taxes" la-la is not necessary. And give an example of the fragmentation of a large TNC in the United States?

[gladcu2]

space

What nonsense are you talking about liberalism? What exactly is this really nobody knows. But for some reason everything, liberalism is associated only with regression, the collapse of everything and everything.

So do not be good about liberalism.

[Nick]

Quote: razmik72

The kleptocracy trading in the country's natural resources does not pass for the "liberals"; they have invented the appropriate term all over the world - clan-oligarchic bureaucracy.

Yes, they know that in Russia. That's just in Europe, our clan-oligarchs for some reason are ranked among the Russian liberals. Recall at least the same ever-memorable Berezovsky, or, for example, the current "sufferer" Khodorkovsky, Prokhorov of the same ...

[Al1977]

Quote: Nick

Yes, they know that in Russia. That's just in Europe, our clan-oligarchs for some reason are ranked among the Russian liberals. Recall at least the same ever-memorable Berezovsky, or, for example, the current "sufferer" Khodorkovsky, Prokhorov of the same ...

The people you listed do not determine either the political or the economic course of Russia.
And to whom do they rank Putin?

[Nick]

Quote: Al1977

The people you listed do not determine either the political or the economic course of Russia.

Why are you doing this? I did not touch on this topic in my post at all. Yes, in fact, I did not discuss with you.

Quote: Al1977

And to whom do they rank Putin?

Firstly, he is the undisputed political leader of Russia and the first person of the state.
Secondly, a patriot of Russia, who brought much benefit to his country and its people.
Actually, Putin, in fact, is Stalin, but only in a new historical reality, at a different historical stage. The scale of the problems and tasks that Russia needs to solve is comparable in scale to the tasks facing the USSR in the 30 years of the last century. And Putin is still dealing with these problems, just like Stalin at one time.
In my opinion, Putin, like Stalin, is a Russian liberal, but only that liberal, not a liberal. There is a difference.

[gladcu2]

Why do you need to say a lot?

The crisis of capitalism was back in 1847. Since that time, so many plans have been invented, how to deal with them, mom do not worry. K. Marx created a masterpiece "Capital", which is so much a masterpiece (like Malevich's square) that only geniuses and plows can read and understand. Which of course does not exist in any government in the world. But!!!!. There is a hint. This is dear V.I. Lenin. Which in the theses explained what Karl Marx suggested. And there already a fool understands, even members of the government. IN AND. Lenin is not only the seizure of bridges and telegraphs, it is a reasonable thing to revive the economy.

Well, if they don’t read Lenin, then I can tell you briefly. It is necessary that the worker have a debit with a loan that matches and there remains a little, 20% percent on top of this. For expensive things, an apartment, a car, study, vacation. And all at 8, and preferably 6 hours of working time. True 6 hours is not enough, it will be forgotten how to work. But the classics insist on exactly 6 hours. That's all.

And how to do it, everything is simpler than a steamed turnip. Skip salaries through a state balance. It seems like hired labor, but for some reason all the work is state-owned. Those. the state will not offend its own. Should not.

Then, let the aggressor try. Well, you know ....

[Outsider V.]

Quote: gladcu2

Well, if they don’t read Lenin, then I can tell you briefly. It is necessary that the worker have a debit with a loan that matches and there remains a little, 20% percent on top of this. For expensive things, an apartment, a car, study, vacation. And all at 8, and preferably 6 hours of working time. True 6 hours is not enough, it will be forgotten how to work. But the classics insist on exactly 6 hours. That's all.

And how to do it, everything is simpler than a steamed turnip. Skip salaries through a state balance. It seems like hired labor, but for some reason all the work is state-owned. Those. the state will not offend its own. Should not.

Interestingly, such indicators (a six-hour working day with a decent salary) have already been achieved, for example, in France, both in private and state enterprises. Unfortunately, the socialist world could not boast of such achievements.

However, now attempts are being made to tighten labor legislation in France, which provokes serious protests.

[gladcu2]

Foreign

You decided to pat me.

I have lived in the countries of the golden billion. Better than it was during the USSR did not meet.

I haven’t been to France. And I do not believe that there is calm and confidence.

[Outsider V.]

Quote: gladcu2

Foreign

You decided to pat me.

Yes, I did not have such a desire. I just wanted to draw attention to the ambiguity of the results of the competition of social and capsystems. I cited France as an example of a country in which the public sector in the economy is highly developed.

Quote: gladcu2

I have lived in the countries of the golden billion. Better than it was during the USSR did not meet.

This is a value judgment reflecting your personal impressions. Not everyone agrees with you. And they will also refer to the fact that they lived there and there.

Quote: gladcu2

I haven’t been to France. And I do not believe that there is calm and confidence.

I agree, now in France there is no peace and confidence, for many well-known reasons. I wrote that they are trying to take away the achieved social gains, which causes French protests.

[Cresta999]

Medvedev, Yulyukaev, Golodets, Livanov, and almost all except Shoigu and the Minister of Culture (I don’t remember the name).

[starshina78]

Our Government, so "beloved" by our people, can only sequester, cut, and so on, but to modernize the main industries, alas, there is not enough brains.

[stas]

That's for sure, you can't make candy out of.

So nothing good came of the market flea market, except for the illegal enrichment of a small handful of .ovna, close to the body.

[Al1977]

Quote: stas

So nothing good came of the market flea market, except for the illegal enrichment of a small handful of .ovna, close to the body.

And in South Korea, which makes excellent ships, cars, machine tools and electronics? And in Germany and France not a "flea market", and then what?

[stas]

In Russia, a market flea market began with a massive robbery of the population through voucherization for Chubais, which now blooms and smells.

Such a robbery and swindle South Korea, Germany and France did not know.
Those who plundered Russia now and rule by appointing the right president and comfortable opposition.

If there is no evolution of our economy, 1917 year may repeat.
Putin therefore feels this and nat. guard.
Then nothing saved the king.

[Outsider V.]

Quote: stas

Such a robbery and swindle South Korea, Germany and France did not know.

Germany experienced even more serious swindle from "civilized partners" after the defeat in the First World War with the loss of territories and huge reparations under the Treaty of Versailles. From 1919 to 1923, the deutsche mark has depreciated more than a trillion (one thousand billion) times! But the country withstood and revived the economy. And it became the economic engine of Europe even after the repeated defeat in World War II.

I think that South Korea also had its problems (with Japan during the Second World War, for example, and with corruption they had a complete seam in their time).

[tatra]

C'mon, this is the United States rebuilding the German economy after both the First World Plan of Dawes and the Second World Plan of Marshall.

[Outsider V.]

There was not only the Dawes plan, but later also the Young plan (sometimes called the "Jung plan"). But the hyperinflation was stopped before the start of American infusions. And the French still continued to demand reparations. part has been paid. Not everything is so simple, they say, the Americans took it and restored it.

[gladcu2]

South Korea has the highest suicide rate in the world. Do you know why?

Because the more you work, the worse the quality of life. You go to work and think about work. You come back from work and are afraid that you will be fired tomorrow, for a bad or a rational offer. You sleep and you dream about work. You receive a salary and think that this salary may be the last. You are lying on top of your mistress and thinking about work, because probably next time you will not have these 200 dollars, to climb into this doubtless beautiful female. Work work work.

Or maybe him, these torments. Who was under complete anesthesia will always say what kind of you bastards the doctors have brought me here again.

70% of 30 years in Western countries are sitting on tranquilizers. I swallowed the pill and spit on everything.

[MaxMelan]

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[stas]

This is a pre-election attempt to increase the authority of DAMA, which is headed by EP.
Instead of a socially oriented economy, we are offered a design chimera.
Where the May decrees are, this project will be there.

[Tatar 174]

Quote: kutuzow 1812

Another bunch of balabol.

You already know the composition or you said it, just to say.
I think that we should not rush, but wait a bit and see if this is all just for balabolstvo again, then in the elections we will express our attitude towards both DAM and EP.

[user]

But on the other ... This is the same Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev

In our country and with the current organization of power in the Russian Federation, one might think that something can be done without the knowledge of the VP? Do not make me laugh. Another thing is that the Interim Government is satisfied with the current situation with "controlled parties and the Duma."
But Medvedev is at the head of the most important party in power, whether anyone likes it or not, and it is not a fact that this will change in the near future, and he himself tries not to do stupid things like "with Gaddafi and the WTO". And the governed head of government and the head of the party in power is worth a lot, especially since at this stage it suits everyone.

[Gardamir]

You already know the composition

Putin is the chairman of the council, Deputy Medvedev, also representatives of the president in the districts, in addition, Matvienko and Naryshkin, there are Rogozin, Siluanov and Ulyukaev, Fursenko, Shokhin and Shuvalov
In short, all the same.

[Tambov Wolf]

Everywhere "familiar", "kind" faces, blue-eyed in the majority.

[Altona]

Quote: kutuzow 1812

Another bunch of balabol.

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In our conditions, a purely "project" economy will not work. The "project" economy led to the proliferation of long-term construction projects in the USSR, for which money was allocated, then there was not enough money, but someone reported on the "successful" development and knocked out funds. Comprehensive national economic planning is needed. Not a tough administrative one for every little thing, but only for heavy industry and energy as in all countries. In group "B" it is a joint, private-state one, but not with the distribution of free money, but state guarantees and support in terms of duties and protection of its own manufacturer and its niche in the market. And then "projects" can be like a bridge to the Russky Island or Skolkovo. Expensive, beautiful, it is not clear for whom.

[34 region]

Altona! 11.28. The fact that comprehensive planning is necessary is understandable. But if you plan only in energy and heavy industry, then this is not gut. Because when integrated planning will need to take into account many factors interconnected. Let's say build a factory. These are building materials for workshops, housing and social workers, highway and rail roads, maybe a port. For building materials, production is needed. And these are the same needs as for the plant. Plus energy. We also need energy. This is only for building materials and if briefly and schematically. And if the Council will only give advice to whom to dig and who not to dig, then nothing will happen. Which is very highly probable. We need a real authority. With the authority to set, withdraw, allocate funds. Such a mega-council megacompany. Of course, it is not worth planning household services. Hairdressing salons, atelier is a small business will master and without gosplan.

[Altona]

Quote: Region 34

But if you plan only in energy and heavy industry, then this is not gut. Because when integrated planning will need to take into account many factors interconnected. Let's say build a factory. These are building materials for workshops, housing and social workers, highway and rail roads, maybe a port. For building materials, production is needed.

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We have a construction industry, quite powerful, full cycle for construction materials. It's all solvable. It is necessary, for example, to develop a modern petrochemical production, or to modernize old facilities. To make granules for modern plastics. And then banal polypropylene-polyethylene was only recently built. It turns out that granules were imported from abroad three years ago. Planning is needed to find out the needs of the country and create new jobs, and not to give everything to speculators. And to find out related problems (like yours and others, according to technologies, for this it is complex. However, with these "projects" I do not expect anything good. This is a huge basis for "cutting" the budget. In the middle link they will "cut" or The top is not important. ”Medvedev was promoted on these“ national projects ”and now, as a superspecialist on“ projects, ”they have been put in charge.

[Lyubopyatov]

The same gathering was established under the name of the Society of Russian Literature. And even earlier - the Presidential Council for the Russian language. In these two "coleftivs", in order to sit, one must be at least non-Russian, and even better - anti ...

[Riv]

Well said the GDP a couple of affectionate - so what? First time, perhaps? IPhonchiks and Chubaisiks both sat in their place and are sitting.

[dmi.pris1]

And nothing and nothing .. It needs a turn to the socialist path of development, and the Guarantor is not capable of this.

[Teberii]

You are talking about a planned economy and five-year plans.

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: dmi.pris

.There is a turn to the socialist path of development, and the Guarantor is not capable of this.

Yes, and the people are not capable - it seems that in words the demand for socialist ideas and a planned economy in Russian society is great, but in fact .. Therefore, it remains only to welcome such attempts to introduce at least something from the legacy of the USSR into the current capitalist realities. As for Dmitry Anatolyevich, “I have no other leaders for you,” the negative selection of the ruling elites in 25 years has brought out just this type. One can only dream of managers at the level of N.K. Baibakov (the legendary chairman of the State Planning Commission).

[Riv]

In fact, it is easier for Putin to control the economy through a limited circle of oligarchs. An analogue of the Stalinist nominees with the difference that Putin did not nominate them. Although this is how to look ... Mechanisms of influence are available. An effective capitalist will receive orders, tenders and other goodies. The ineffective gradually becomes poorer and leaves the stage. The arrogant will simply sit down (Khodorkovsky guarantees).

This, incidentally, is a completely normal approach. Hitlerite Germany lasted five years against the whole world. There was no Putin, but there was Speer. There is only one global minus: the economy is sliding into ground attack. Sochi, the energy bridge to the Crimea, and so on. The assaults end in victories, but long planning is difficult. Case in point: our shipbuilding. It doesn’t work according to the plan that ships and submarines be handed over, even kill.

[razmik72]

Quote: Riv

In fact, it is easier for Putin to control the economy through a limited circle of oligarchs. An analogue of the Stalinist nominees with the difference that Putin did not nominate them. Although this is how to look ... Mechanisms of influence are available. An effective capitalist will receive orders, tenders and other goodies. The ineffective gradually becomes poorer and leaves the stage. The arrogant will simply sit down (Khodorkovsky guarantees).

This, incidentally, is a completely normal approach. Hitlerite Germany lasted five years against the whole world. There was no Putin, but there was Speer. There is only one global minus: the economy is sliding into ground attack. Sochi, the energy bridge to the Crimea, and so on. The assaults end in victories, but long planning is difficult. Case in point: our shipbuilding. It doesn’t work according to the plan that ships and submarines be handed over, even kill.

Your designated path is the path to nowhere, the state will not be able to develop in peacetime.

[Lyubopyatov]

Duck about that and speech! Mikhail Leontyev (“However,”) wrote two and a half years ago: “You can't live like that,” he called the system, when patriotism is combined with oligarchism, almost political schizophrenia.

[34 region]

Reeve! 08.00. About Nazi Germany can not be said unequivocally. But if you take it schematically, then maybe yes. About the storming. It looks like baby show-offs. I am already an adult uncle. I can spit it once!

[Altona]

Quote: Riv

An effective capitalist will receive orders, tenders and other goodies. The ineffective gradually becomes poorer and leaves the stage.

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The capitalist is now the only financial speculator in the world. An effective owner is one in front of whom a cheap loan is opened and competitors are swept away. So forget this mantra about "effective and ineffective owners. We have some state corporations much more effective than the" effective "Chubais's Rusnano.

[razmik72]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Quote: dmi.pris

.There is a turn to the socialist path of development, and the Guarantor is not capable of this.

Yes, and the people are not capable - it seems that in words the demand for socialist ideas and a planned economy in Russian society is great, but in fact .. Therefore, it remains only to welcome such attempts to introduce at least something from the legacy of the USSR into the current capitalist realities. As for Dmitry Anatolyevich, “I have no other leaders for you,” the negative selection of the ruling elites in 25 years has brought out just this type. One can only dream of managers at the level of N.K. Baibakov (the legendary chairman of the State Planning Commission).

Yes, what kind of capitalism do you have in Russia, dear? Your government has perverted the very essence of this term, in Russia the clan oligarchic system does not understand what kind of system, most likely the KGB-oligarchic system with elements of personal dictatorship.

[tatra]

Quote: razmik72

What kind of capitalism do you have in Russia, dear?

The enemies of the Communists who captured the republics of the USSR built in them exactly the same System, and proved that they do not need not only socialism, but also the System, as in their adored West, and capitalism in general.

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: razmik72

What kind of capitalism do you have in Russia, dear? Your government has perverted the very essence of this term

In general, the liberal capitalist idea disgusts me, regardless of the form in which it is expressed. Therefore, for me personally, capitalism is an initially unfair social system.
And in Armenia, as I understand it, they built such a normal "capitalism with a human face"? Then why a huge number of your fellow tribesmen in Russia hang around, under the "Chekist-oligarchic system with elements of a personal dictatorship"? I am ashamed to ask, did the Armenians stay in Armenia?

[razmik72]

Well, why be ashamed and not ask: "Are there any Armenians left in Armenia?" I am not a young lady and I don’t leave uncomfortable questions, you can look at my previous comments, where I harshly criticize the Armenian “authorities.” In Armenia, if the same depopulation processes continue in the future, in 20-25 years there will be practically no one left. the government and parliament will sit, which will not represent anyone, and Azerbaijan will seize not only Karabakh, but also the territory of Armenia with just one click of the finger. Each nation is worthy of its fate and I will not regret if this happens if the Armenians tolerate outright boors and robbers.
Let me ask you, if capitalism is so disgusting to you, what kind of socio-economic system do you prefer? Judging by the way you "rushed" to put me "in place", are you fond of the current system in Russia?

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: razmik72

Judging by the way you "rushed" to put me "in place", are you fond of the current system in Russia?

Honestly, I don’t really like when foreign nationals criticize my country. There is such a joke about a foreigner:
I drank all night with the Russians. All night they poisoned jokes about Russia and neighing loudly. All night they convinced me that Russia is a country of bad roads and fools. In the morning, when I agreed with their opinion, they filled my face.
So from identity

Quote: razmik72

Azerbaijan will capture not only Karabakh, but also the territory of Armenia with just one click of a finger

Do not worry. Apparently, in Azerbaijan by that time not too many Azerbaijanis will remain either - they will migrate one way with the Armenians

Quote: razmik72

Let me ask you, if capitalism disgusts you like that, then what kind of socioeconomic system do you prefer?

And I prefer the socialist system - the most just system of truly popular democracy. And, of course, without Trotskyist excesses, as in North Korea.

[Outsider V.]

Quote: Ami du peuple

And in Armenia, as I understand it, they built such a normal "capitalism with a human face"? Then why a huge number of your fellow tribesmen in Russia hang around, under the "Chekist-oligarchic system with elements of a personal dictatorship"? I am ashamed to ask, did the Armenians stay in Armenia?

I dare to note that long before the construction of "capitalism with a human face" in Armenia, the Armenians, as you have deigned to say, hung around in large numbers - up to 12 million people (four times the population of modern Armenia) around the world - from Lebanon and Jordan to the United States and Australia.

[Vadim237]

"Yes, and the people are not capable - it seems that in words the demand for socialist ideas and a planned economy in Russian society is great, but in practice .." - But in fact, the train left long ago and there will be no planned economy in the world market system in Russia - since the business is too risky and costly - release a bunch of products, according to the plan, you pour a lot of money into it - and these products, due to the lack of demand for them, will lie in excess in warehouses - the planned economy is a relic of the past.

[tatra]

Quote: Vadim237

a planned economy is a relic of the past.

Those who criticize socialism in the USSR and the planned economy themselves can not do anything useful for the country, and even offer.
These "critics" were only able to parasitize at the expense of what was created under the planned economy, by exporting natural resources and importing food and production.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: tatra

and planned economy

The planned economy in Belarus, why Lukashenko constantly to Putin -DAY ???

[Vadim237]

Because not all is well in the "planned kingdom" of Belarus.

[Vadim237]

"Those who criticize socialism in the USSR and the planned economy themselves cannot do anything useful for the country, or even propose." For 8 years now I have been doing what is necessary and useful - in the gland.

[34 region]

Vadim! 11.36. You might think that under capitalism, products do not wallow! You have never been involved in trade. I bought products, but they do not take and the expiration date expires. For example, tomatoes or cabbage. I bought manufactured goods. The dress is no longer fashionable, shoes too. The same applies to other products. It’s just that all this is scattered in private shops and you don’t see it. And those who are in the trade, scratch their turnips, where to put it all and beat off the investment.

[Vadim237]

I don’t engage in trade, my production produces components on order, stipulated by the contract - there are no residues.

[34 region]

Vadim! 13.23. Production then works on order, plus a little in stock (if the goods are running). But where does the wholesale product go?

[Vadim237]

Wholesale products are bought by corporations, holdings, firms, individual entrepreneurs - for the needs of their business.

[bovig]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Quote: dmi.pris

.There is a turn to the socialist path of development, and the Guarantor is not capable of this.

Yes, and the people are not capable - it seems that the demand for socialist ideas and a planned economy in Russian society is great, but in reality .. Therefore, it remains only to welcome such attempts to introduce at least something of the USSR’s heritage into the current capitalist realities. As for Dmitry Anatolyevich, “I don’t have any other leaders for you,” the negative selection of the ruling elites in 25 years has brought out just this type. One can only dream of managers of the level of N.K. Baybakov (the legendary chairman of the State Planning Commission).

I agree with you, except for the highlighted one ... The current "liberals" simply do not admit other leaders - firstly, they are afraid of competition, and secondly, there is not enough budget for cutting themselves ... However, the time has come that they have one choice out of two options: either abandon the IMF's ban on the use of domestic investment, or "Year 37" ... And then, only if the September elections do not force Putin to disperse this team of financial speculators (perhaps this is what he hopes, and therefore, for Dima, in a friendly way, he reserves a decent position, according to the principle - "debt by payment is red"). In fact, both the CPRF team, the SR team, and even Zhirinovsky's team (oddly enough) have smart economists-industrialists with the convictions of statesmen, whom the government lacks due to the dominance of "professionals" - traders-speculators and other "effective managers" -monetarists from the United Russia ... Yes, there are sensible economists on "free bread", for example: Delyagin, Khazin, Zhukovsky, who could enter the government ...

[Vadim237]

"In fact, both the CPRF team, the SR team, and even the Zhirinovsky team (oddly enough) have smart industrial economists with the convictions of statesmen" - "But in reality, they are a complete zero - raising Lopushar to fame - voters - United Russia, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Liberal Democratic Party, Fair Russia - this is one team, in different political packages.

[stas]

We need a socially oriented economy and not a market flea market run by DAM.
Why shouldn't Putin hold a referendum and consult with the people, but our government is not capable of this.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: stas

Why don't Putin hold a referendum and consult with the people,

Because ordinary people do not understand nichrome in the economy. Give 99% on this site to steer the plant for half a year and in three months, the plant will go bankrupt.

[razmik72]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: stas

Why don't Putin hold a referendum and consult with the people,

Because ordinary people do not understand nichrome in the economy. Give 99% on this site to steer the plant for half a year and in three months, the plant will go bankrupt.

Alexander, this is what, this is how to understand you, you think that now in Russia factories are run by "celestials" ?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: razmik72

, do you think that now in Russia factories are run by "celestials"

Well, not ordinary citizens. To manage a plant, you need to learn a lot, to understand the economy, you need to learn.

[stas]

And what DAMA understands in economics.
She reasonably couldn’t even translate time, but famously called our policemen policemen.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: stas

And what DAMA understands in economics.

Well, certainly more than you !!! It is just objective
And wagging your tongue, here on the site many can.

[Gardamir]

And wagging your tongue, here on the site many can.

There are two options, either to completely close the site so that it is not here, or to ban in bulk all who do not like Romanov. Only for some reason, it seems the site was created for the exchange of views.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Gardamir

There are two options, either to completely close the site so that it is not here, or to ban all in bulk

There is a third option, to ban Gardamir a second time.

[Vadim237]

But Medvedev and the people sitting next to him do not manage the plants - they only pass laws.

[Outsider V.]

Laws are adopted by the State Duma (legislative body). Disliked by most DAMs here is the head of government (executive branch).

[Tambov Wolf]

Dear comrade, among the "common people" there are people who have higher education both in economics and in technical industries, moreover, they have not bought diplomas, as from some of the ruling circles. And there are a lot of people who have worked in production and the banking system. So, common people in the mass know and know no less than all the current "smartest", the so-called "elite". Shuvalov's knowledge of transporting dogs on an airplane bought for money "earned by hard, backbreaking work" is especially striking.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Tambov Wolf

Dear comrade, among the "common people" there are people with higher education both in economics and in the technical industry.

I argued with an economist here, so the debate ended with the fact that he answered no to my question whether he has an economics education. This was the end of the argument.
And the last, if the common people had an economic education, then there would be much less frankly stupid proposals

[Gardamir]

then there would be much less frankly stupid sentences

So you have an economic education?

[Outsider V.]

I think it’s faster.

Unfortunately ready universal there are practically no recipes for building a successful socialistly oriented economy (IMHO, of course). We’ll have to break my forehead again and painfully learn from our mistakes. I’m afraid that the USSR’s positive experience will not be able to be used either — there aren’t those people and institutions.

But the goal is worthy.

[Gardamir]

Why don't Putin hold a referendum and consult with the people,

Does he need this?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Gardamir

Does he need this?

Putin is not to consult with the gardamirs.

[stas]

Putin does not need this, there are no options, BUT this is necessary for the people.
Here in the elections and it is necessary to drive the EP under the baseboard.

Of course, the authorities will draw the correct percentages for 146%, but this will be a different scenario.

[Al1977]

Quote: stas

Of course, the authorities will draw the correct percentages for 146%, but this will be a different scenario.

What is the other alignment? The alignment will be exactly the same.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: stas

Putin does not need this, there are no options, BUT this is necessary for the people.

Dear, if you are so well versed in the economy, tell me, what is the average income of medium-sized enterprises today?

[Alexander Romanov]

As a joke, he asked the person a question on economics, he put me a minus. Okay, I wrote him in a personal letter and asked if there would be an answer on the topic. And he immediately answered me in an emergency Ahahaha, well, damn it, economists gathered here A bunch of clowns

[Vadim237]

It is necessary to collect all these economically - breakthrough ideas of the local "geniuses of economists" and send them straight to the State Duma - let them discuss them.

[Vadim237]

It is already safe to say that United Russia will receive from 50 to 65 percent of the vote in the elections.

[Al1977]

Quote: stas

Why shouldn't Putin hold a referendum and consult with the people, but our government is not capable of this.

People need simple concepts. Raise salaries, reduce taxes, increase pensions. But HOW to do this, 90% of the population does not understand ... and it should not, everyone should be a professional in his place. Putin, he lived under the old system and the new and the information has in common that would make decisions.

[fif21]

Quote: dmi.pris

Here we need a turn to the socialist path of development, and the Guarantor is not capable of this.

Or maybe you need to strain your mind, and take its rightful place among developed countries?

[tatra]

Quote: fif21

Or maybe you need to strain your mind, and take its rightful place among developed countries?

And who will develop something? Those who for a quarter century ditched and blamed the communists and security officers?

[Vadim237]

"They've ditched in a quarter of a century" - Excuse me, what have they ditched in a quarter of a century? From 2000 to 2016, there was a growth in GDP and economic development in Russia by industry - factories and plants have been built and continue to be built, but the fact that we have wave fluctuations in the economy - so who does not have them?

[34 region]

Vadim! 14.30. What have you built up and continue to build? Here are the orphaned mansions. What else? Although the road to these mansions in the trash. Here is such a greed. Better buy an extra SUV but I will not build roads. Well banks appear, shops, pawnshops. And enterprises do not take root. And with our system, I doubt their appearance. By your logic, then we should have more stores than enterprises. After all, enterprises today breed like rabbits! But for some reason, shops are on every corner, but there is no enterprise.

[Vadim237]

Small and medium-sized enterprises in Russia each year open at 100000 - respectively, someone closes.

[sherp2015]

Quote: tatra

And who will develop something? Those who for a quarter century ditched and blamed the communists and security officers?

They "develop". hucksters and usurers ...

[Al1977]

Quote: fif21

Or maybe you need to strain your mind, and take its rightful place among developed countries?

And what is the economic course in these countries?

[stas]

Putin is good at international affairs, so let him go to the Foreign Ministry.

[stas]

There will be no change of power under the law, 2 term and no more in a row, and not how much I want with an interval through 2 term. there will be no order in Russia.

The law and the system of power should work. And when everything rests on one person who is not Kashchei the Immortal, we will constantly wash ourselves with blood and sweat.

The irremovability of power constantly leads Russia into a dead end and stagnation.
But not as DAM sat on the throne, like a cuckoo on other people's eggs.

[Lyubopyatov]

"a worthy place among developed countries". fif21, are you ready to cede this place to us? After all, you firmly occupy him!

[Al1977]

Quote: dmi.pris

And nothing and nothing .. It needs a turn to the socialist path of development, and the Guarantor is not capable of this.

80% of the population votes for the guarantor. So the people support their course and government. It is not for his jokes that the people vote. For his affairs. So why should he change something ??? And for Zyuganov, no matter what he is, he is associated precisely with communism-socialism - 10-15% of the population.

[tatra]

Quote: Al1977

For his affairs

And what Putin’s affairs are better for Russia and the Russian people than the affairs of the Soviet Communists?

[Al1977]

Quote: tatra

And what Putin’s affairs are better for Russia and the Russian people than the affairs of the Soviet Communists?

I know all the words, but I did not understand the meaning of what was written)))))

[stas]

From love to hate is just one step, it is an axiom proven many times in the history of mankind.

In history, there will be no love for Putin but his affairs, in the end.
Crimea is set off, but you need to go further and not stagnate, creating bureaucratic Soviets under DAM.

[34 region]

Dmi.price! 05.58. If you choose a social path then you will have to answer for the consequences of the work. Is there a result? Get a raise. Ruined? You do not correspond to the level of your position and fall below. Something like this in principle. Or today, no one clings to our posts?

[Dimon19661]

Medvedev .... hmm ... where are we going ...

[kepmor]

We haven’t been rolling anywhere for a long time ... but we are firmly settled in ... opera!

[forester]

Is the iPhone the leader of these balalaikas? - everything is clear Right now, under the guise of privatization, the state-owned shares of ALROSA, ROSNEFT, BASHNEFT, etc. will be driven to mattress makers and they will continue to confer on what else to drive at a reasonable price

[Tambov Wolf]

Alros has already been driven out, now only 35 percent is in the hands of Russian "investors", the rest seems to be in the hands of "partners." Counselors from the guarantee. I wonder if they haven't sold us into slavery yet? While here we are discussing various abominations.

[forester]

Yes, it looks like for an iPhone and "ko" are not enemies, but owners

[starogil]

Empty, talking room, another superstructure of impotent people. There is a government, there is a retired
Kudrin’s government and in its entirety, in parallel, exists in the role of advisers.
observe this "stormy activity".

[dmi.pris1]

Putin hangs on the neck of the budget another gang of robbers ..

[parusnik]

Dmitry Medvedev is given a new chance ... and he doesn’t use it ... there’s not enough brains ..

[aleksfill]

He should not be given, but it’s time to ask him seriously.

[Amurets]

Quote: aleksfill

He should not be given, but it’s time to ask him seriously.

I agree! We’re not looking for specialists in Roman law and accountants like Kudrin. Here we need strong and strong business executives like Beria, Malyshev, Likhachev. Who is able to see promising areas of industrial development.
<< Priority projects should be formulated and launched for each area. The Council will set tasks, determine ways to solve them and monitor the progress of projects. >> And they should be formulated by specialists, not politicians and effective managers who can only divide and privatize.

[Goodmen]

Amurtsu.
I completely agree! But Lavrenty Palych in this situation would need to be applied not only as a business executive !!!

[Al1977]

Quote: Amurets

We need strong and strong business executives like Beria, Malyshev, Likhachev. Who is able to see promising areas of industrial development.

Where to get them? Is there anyone in mind?

[Amurets]

Quote: Al1977

Where to get them? Is there anyone in mind?

That's just it that is not. Primakova died, but I do not observe more bright personalities.

[stas]

Ladies need to be driven far and rude, along with the Chubais, Grefs, Kudrins and similar personalities.
But they are happy with Putin, but we are not.

[anfil]

Better be - last chance giventhen there would be hope for a change or or.

[Goodmen]

It would be better - the last chance is given, then there would be hope for a change in either or.

Aha!) Schazz !!! After the "last chance" I would have taken a leading position in some ministry ... or I would have been an advisor !!!
What? Are there few examples ?!)

[populist]

Now, it seems, the president himself draws attention to the fact that “one cannot live like that”, and that it is the project economy, using a wide variety of instruments, that can become a new reality in the country.

"Where have you been before for so many years and winters?"
Presidential Council, the presidium was headed by Medvedev. Two liberals are already there, it remains to collect the rest and everything will go to dust

[Stirbjorn]

I would emphasize another tip. some economic council is already headed by Kudrin. We need not advisers, but people of business, who, moreover, should bear normal responsibility, and not threats of the type of reprimand

[forester]

I looked at the photo of this advice and the anecdote remembered about a parrot from a brothel bought by a family) I saw a grandma's butt - "we have a new mommy" - I saw a mother with daughters - "we have new girls" - I saw a father - "AND THE CLIENTS ARE THE SAME")) ))

[Nix1986]

Already they unscrewed the wire from the lid of champagne, but then Medvedev surname sounded, and instead of champagne with oysters it all ended up bitter with cucumbers In general, the news can be completed on this surname.

[S_Baykala]

Quote: Teberii

You are talking about a planned economy and five-year plans.

I immediately thought about it. New - well forgotten old. Perhaps, in the conditions of our country (endless undeveloped territories, insufficient population and the presence of huge mineral reserves) is this the only way out?

[Teberii]

To the best of everything, it’s useful. We gave up planning, and they picked up the idea. This is a vivid example of China with a planned economy.

[Signaller]

But if the decisions of this SSRPP become mandatory for implementation by all elected bodies up to the president of the country, it would be a good thing. And so, in fact, there is President Putin, there is this advice and its decisions are being carried out. The country is developing. Another president was re-elected - everything changes, priorities change. And the backlog, the development in which money is invested, as they say, go "down the drain." Here it seems to me that the constitutional confirmation of this form is needed. So that "all once and for centuries."

[atalef]

Quote: Signaller

But if the decisions of this SSRPP would be binding on all elected bodies up to the president of the country, it would be a good idea

All this garbage (sorry for the expression) is another bureaucratic organ and a bunch of parasites.
until a person is interested in the development of production - no one will force him.
And for this, few decisions of the SSRPP are a set of measures and the main thing in it
1. Independent court
2. Transparent control system
3. Real Interest Lending
4. political and legislative stability
5. It is certainly worth recalling about the cops and protection
6Corruption and kickbacks
. While this will not happen - the conduct of any business will be associated with risk, and no one likes risks.

[Al1977]

Quote: atalef

1. Independent court

Is this really in Russian traditions? When, in the history of our country, was this?

[Al1977]

Quote: atalef

1. Independent court
2. Transparent control system
3. Real Interest Lending
4. political and legislative stability
5. It is certainly worth recalling about the cops and protection
6Corruption and kickbacks

If you are talking about big business, and these are state corporations and people close to the authorities, then it is not relevant there ... If about small business, then the main problem is purchasing power. It has greatly decreased among the population. I'm not talking about food, our people have always bought meat and potatoes and will continue to do so. Business was doing well 3-5 years ago, despite the courts and the "nightmare" of business. And as the exchange rate collapsed, as goods rose in price, so the business froze. And if at the expense of investments, then the sanctions have played a role.

[Nix1986]

Yes, and with the court, it is necessary to simplify administrative procedures, because in our case as in the low-price segment of products and services, operations are often carried out with violations and in favor of the seller, there is a gross violation of the law, but when the price of a dispute and the price of legal costs and their time are compared, then the second greatly exceeds the first. And therefore, buyers do not bother with the court and punishment of the seller, and sellers use this.

[alexej123]

I agree with everything, with the clarification of two points - Transparent control system, who or what to control and who to control? The demand is tough from the executors of decrees, orders, etc. needed - failed - a wolf ticket in the teeth, CU to large organizations about NOT Hiring (under pain of administrative resource) and "come on, goodbye." "Cops and protection" - yes, this is from the 6th paragraph and his name is CORRUPTION. Do you think the "cops" at their own peril and risk "cover"? Whoever does this for himself is included in the reports on the fight against corruption. The lion's share goes up. Therefore, it is not necessary to refer to simple "cops". They will not demand from them, nor will they take.

[Gardamir]

But the brothers Siluanov and Ulyukaev will decide ...

[Masya masya]

"Whether there is life on Mars, whether there is life on Mars, this is unknown to science. Science is not yet in the know ... A-ha-ha-ha ... Assa!"

[stas]

All this is verbiage, project economics is half measures or an attempt to portray ebullient activity.

Need a socially oriented economy and not a market buy-sell flea market.
I wonder who or why DAM holds so tightly.
He can’t be trusted with the region, but he rules the country at the head of EP.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: stas

I wonder who or why DAM holds so tightly.

well, so he kept the post for GDP - personal devotion is higher than any talents, alas, with the current system - this is a fact

[Gardamir]

I wonder who or why

Who is it just, I give a hint on the tin ends on pu begins. And for what, it is necessary to look at the beginning of the 90s, as a young lawyer rendered an invaluable service to the representative of the St. Petersburg City Hall.

[Mountain shooter]

Plans are needed. You can't build a shed without a plan. The GDP plan to "push" the Russian economy through the military-industrial complex, while simultaneously devaluing the ruble - from my point of view - is successful, although it was produced "harshly." Industrial production is slowly "starting up", agriculture is also "soaring". And such advice - well, I don't know. Or have you come up with another way of managing? When such bunglers as LADIES become effective managers?

[Alex66]

DAM, as a prime minister, can’t cope, so why else should he think up work, unload it, let him concentrate on what he drags, gadgets, photos.

[Gardamir]

DAM as a prime does not cope

I don’t understand. There is a man for whom all 146% of Russians. And Dam suits this person. So he should suit the Russians!

[fif21]

That's right! The Economic Council under the President of the Russian Federation is needed! We have experienced the main non-lethal weapon of the West - economic pressure and sanctions. How to live in a world where most of the developed countries, having lost part of their sovereignty, are in complete economic dependence on the currency of one country? How to ensure the country's economic sovereignty, how to ensure the development of the Russian economy? And most importantly, how to raise the living standards of Russian citizens? Questions to be resolved. And Russia is rich with "bright minds". God help you.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: fif21

How to ensure the economic sovereignty of the country, how to ensure the development of the Russian economy? And most importantly, how to raise the living standards of citizens of the Russian Federation? Issues to be addressed.

The dictatorship of the proletariat is the solution to all your questions.

Quote: fif21

And Russia is rich with "bright minds"

Now more and more "red", yes "curly" heads in high esteem.

[Goodmen]

And you are friends, no matter how you sit down ...
Mendel there narulit !!)))
There will be no shifts until the entire liberal apparatus is cleansed ...
And they will not be, because the opinion is from above: "do not shoot the taper, he plays as he can"
IMHO

[Internal combustion engine]

It is not worth waiting for anything good until the current power team is replaced as a result of democratic elections. After all, the author correctly says that it seemed like a good thing, as the Soviet of the Social Democratic Labor Party was entrusted to a knowingly failed staff like Medvedev. And who told me to stop Putin from appointing a serious person, for example, the learned economist Glazyev? No one bothered. That is, Putin, in fact, does not care about the economy of the rest of Russia. At the very least, the military-industrial complex is working, and you can give up on the rest. You and I can give up. But we want to live, not survive. Therefore, I say, this whole imperious team must be replaced at the root through democratic elections and a referendum. You can’t believe them anymore; I don’t want to eat breakfast already. I urge everyone to come to the current Duma elections and, with a clear conscience, vote against this team.

[Volzhanin]

You will soon have a chance in the elections to consolidate your point of view. The main thing is not to allow EP to carry out fraud in their favor, and apparently they will not be given this opportunity this time (hopefully, at least ...).

[Lyubopyatov]

And why not provide?

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: ICE

Until the current power team is replaced as a result of democratic elections, waiting for something good is not worth it

Haha, you are demanding revolutionary changes in the current "democracy"?
You are a naive person.
Show at least one of those in power who voluntarily part with that unlimited power, complete lack of control and impunity, at the disposal of resources and finances, with palaces and riches that even the Russian tsars did not have.
Until people remember that
Article 3

1. The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people.
3. The highest direct expression of the power of the people is a referendum and free elections.
So what:
4. No one can appropriate power in the Russian Federation. The seizure of power or the appropriation of power is prosecuted under federal law.

In the country, everything will continue to be fattening by those who seized power along with them, and the rest and others will die.

[Al1977]

Quote: ICE

Until the current power team is replaced as a result of democratic elections

[Volvitalij]

What the council is supposed to do is the function of the government. Consequently, the government is not working. The Council will be headed by the Prime Minister - what is it? Idiocy? Powerlessness against the government? Since the time of Yeltsin, if a government agency fails, then it is not touched, but a new body is created. Don't mind. This is possible only in one case - the ruling "elite" has the goal of self-preservation and the network structure corresponding to this goal. Has Putin surrendered?

[dojjdik]

the only way for Putin is the return of the USSR and the planned social economy, we can also arrange "velvet revolutions", so there is no need for scarecrows with "a huge number of victims" in 1917 there were no terrible victims at our children, lies are drummed into them; but the first world war into which the tsar Nikolashka got into it, brought huge sacrifices to our country and devastation, now the mistake of the stupid tsar is shoved onto Lenin; well, private property is also needed all this NEP is now in China

[Al1977]

Quote: dojjdik

Putin’s only way is the return of the USSR and planned social economics

At the same time, wages and pensions will begin to grow rapidly and catch up with the European? What will economic growth be based on?

[sunzhenets]

Economic growth will be based on the effectiveness of a planned economy.

[Al1977]

Quote: Sunflower

Economic growth will be based on the effectiveness of a planned economy.

That is, letting out our coats, even if Chinese are 2 times cheaper and better in quality? Or according to the decree of the President, our products will become an example of world standards and every country in the world will buy our cars, boots and TVs for honor?

[Vadim237]

This planned economy in the global market will collapse after the first year, when it is clear. that all the money spent wasted - on products that no one needed. There is no longer a planned economy — it disappeared along with the USSR.

[Vadim237]

Nor will there be any USSR — we are freebies, and even Russophobes — such as the Baltic states and Ukraine, Kazakhstan, live separately and Russophobia is also warming there, they are not needed, and the planned economy is a dead end — together with everything else, it killed the USSR. Putin has only one right way - to develop the current economy, minimize corruption and look for ways to pacify uncontrolled speculation.

[tatra]

Quote: Vadim237

and a planned economy is a dead end - it, coupled with everything else, has killed the USSR

This is written and said only by those who need false excuses to capture the USSR.

[Vadim237]

How can one capture what is not?

[tatra]

Maybe you are not? By lying about socialism and slandering the communists, the enemies of the communists proved that they had captured the USSR for criminal purposes, and they needed excuses for their crimes.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: tatra

the USSR

In my opinion, this is already a deviation in the psyche. In every comment on any topic, the USSR

[tatra]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

In my opinion, this is already a deviation in the psyche. In every comment on any topic, the USSR

A deviation in the psyche is that you, enemies of the USSR, for almost 30 years since the end of the 80s have been obsessively fixated on "sucking to the bones" of everything that was in the USSR, what the Soviet people did, how they worked and fought, and love when they discuss you, what you are, the results of your high-paying work.
Everything is cowardly at once "but we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists to blame."

[Vadim237]

It was the communists in the late 80s who arranged for people to "suck bones" on half-empty and empty store shelves.

[Al1977]

Quote: tatra

Deviation in the psyche is that you, enemies of the USSR,

So you had the most powerful country in the world, and you betrayed and ruined it. You and the African country cannot be trusted, not to mention Russia.

[Al1977]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

In my opinion, this is already a deviation in the psyche. In every comment on any topic, the USSR

Yes, just an ordinary troll.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vadim237

How can one capture what is not?

Since 1982, he goes online, a temporary tunnel

[stas]

But we do not need an old copy of the USSR, we need an updated Union without parasites and younger brothers in captivity.

The main socially oriented economy, the rejection of a market flea market, as Cherkizon was removed at one time.

[Vadim237]

"Market flea market" - if there is a demand for "junk" - there will be a supply of this "junk"

[Al1977]

Quote: stas

need a renewed Union without parasites and younger brothers in captivity

With whom do you need an alliance, in more detail, please.

[evge-malyshev]

I really wanted the "project economy" to be transformed into a PLANED one. And not for a year, two, three, but for five-year, seven-year plans with a perspective of 10-15 years or more. Unfortunately, with the LADY at the head of this "super-advice" this is hardly possible.

[Vadim237]

We have already adopted the budget plan for three years - the bummer came out, I had to adjust everything - the plan for the year is the most optimal development plan, on a national scale.

[vladimirvn]

Read Engels and Marx on the change of economic formations. In all likelihood, in order to return to socialism, it is necessary that capitalism in us matured to the end. Experience of Scandinavia and large cap. countries with their developed system of social security in your hands.

[Goodmen]

Read Engels and Marx on the change of economic formations. In all likelihood, in order to return to socialism, it is necessary that capitalism in us matured to the end. Experience of Scandinavia and large cap. countries with their developed system of social security in your hands.

Everything would be fine ... only until it ripens, with our ghouls-gobblers, who apart from resources have nothing to do with anything else, our country will fall apart !!!
I wanted to put a smile, but somehow it's not funny ...

[Volzhanin]

Experience of Scandinavia and large cap. countries with their developed system of social security in your hands. Reluctance to go into polemics, but this is a myth for girls. I just have a homeric laugh such superficial amateurish statements.

[Outsider V.]

And what, in these countries there is no developed system of social security? Enlighten, be kind, to get rid of the homeric laughter about your statements.

In my opinion, everyone sees how half the world of diverse and colorful loafers flooded into Europe (including Scandinavia) and the States for various benefits. Is this also a myth for girls?

[uskrabut]

Good day to you, Russians and guests of Russia. All of this is of course wonderful, great idea, great goals. But, as I.V. Stalin: "Cadres decide everything." And there are no cadres capable of deciding everything. I suspect that it can turn out, as with other ventures at the top. It got to the point that at the municipal level, cadres began to scatter from the administrations of settlements. The country has never seen such an amount of reporting. And the problem with salaries is “good salary for the regional (municipal) level”. I just want to ask: "and who gave you the right to divide people by grade - Moscow is the highest grade, regions of the first grade, large cities of the second grade, municipal districts and settlements of the third grade"? Is this not a violation of our Russian constitution? Isn't it time to abolish these categories, otherwise it turns out that the citizens of Russia live, as it were, in different states. Without this, not a single program and not a single project will work, except for the obviously thieves.

[Lyubopyatov]

Officials bitten by the Russian Federation in quantity doubled the civil servants of the great USSR twice, but many offhand believe that there are even more of them now. But what catches your eye is their national (ethnic) composition.

[Tambov Wolf]

Well, everything is fine, beautiful marquise. The guarantee again showed that the mess is profitable for him. Again they assigned the goat to guard the cabbage in the garden. I hope now no one will start to say: “The king is good, but the bolyars are bad. even for blinkered "comrades" who make the weather and who appoints the crumpled "boyars" to govern the country. Good day to you all and a happy life. Do not forget to buy iPhones, they are so loved in "our government".

[kotuk_ha_oxote]

Quote: uskrabut

Good day to you, Russians and guests of Russia. All of this is of course wonderful, great idea, great goals. But, as I.V. Stalin: "Cadres decide everything." And there are no cadres capable of deciding everything. I suspect that it can turn out, as with other ventures at the top. It got to the point that at the municipal level, cadres began to scatter from the administrations of settlements. The country has never seen such an amount of reporting. And the problem with salaries is “good salary for the regional (municipal) level”. I just want to ask: "and who gave you the right to divide people by grade - Moscow is the highest grade, regions of the first grade, large cities of the second grade, municipal districts and settlements of the third grade"? Is this not a violation of our Russian constitution? Isn't it time to abolish these categories, otherwise it turns out that the citizens of Russia live, as it were, in different states. Without this, not a single program and not a single project will work, except for the obviously thieves.

Where are the great goals? Mediocrity, mediocrity and incompetence.

[Million]

The Council Presidium will be headed by Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev, Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation.

If this one leads, then nothing good will come of it

[DimanC]

As Catherine de Medici used to say (or Dumas attributed it to her, which is not important in this case), enemies should be kept closer to themselves in order to be able to control their moods. The same with Medvedev’s appointment: Putin does not have his own people, he has to use those who are. But here Medvedev is under the heel, and you can ask him

[Gardamir]

Putin does not have his own people

it’s not clear whether you’re a provocateur or simply stupid. If a person has not created his own team in 16 years, then he will drive such a man out of control of the country.

[stas]

Dimon, well, you gave a masterpiece to the mountain, so you must be able to omit the main thing!

LADIES will be delighted that it is irreplaceable.

[Alice]

What is pop, such is parish. Another cheap soap opera, not even an opera!

[v.yegorov]

From the fact that Medvedev will head the new office, Russia is unlikely to make a breakthrough
in the economy. "Do not pour young wine into old skins."

[Vadim237]

Well, in some areas of the economy, we have a significant breakthrough, for example, this year the production of tractors and combines increased by 35 percent, compared with the same period last year and this year, Russia will have a record crop of grain and other agricultural crops.

[sherp2015]

Quote: Vadim237

Russia will have a record crop of grain and other crops.

Grain is fused abroad for currency. Meat and other products will rise in price.

[Vadim237]

What will they sell all 150 million tons abroad?

[Samoyed]

Maybe this is a multi-move for "taking the liberals by the balls!" Can't you steer hard?

[tasha]

Without planning, of course, nowhere.
What do I see the main problem? There are a lot of good ideas - execution is lame. Let's see what happens.

At my small level I can offer several directions

1. Finally, introduce your own payment system. Ensure the availability of terminals at all levels, from a small shop or hairdresser to a factory salary project. Well, ending with the payment of food for students. Of course, everything is on domestic equipment.
2. Clean up container transport by rail. If necessary, develop infrastructure.
3. Introduce an electronic queue system (issuing tickets) in all hospitals and state institutions. Again on domestic equipment.
4. To develop production at Russian factories of industrial equipment for small and medium-sized businesses. Starting from mini-presses and ending with small production lines.
5. To organize the construction of industrial sites with a ready-made infrastructure (premises, heating, light) for renting to entrepreneurs for the installation of production equipment
6. To create state raw material bases in each region. Roughly speaking, metal rolling makes and carries the state to the region. He buys and makes a shovel out of it - a private trader.
7. And, of course, affordable loans ...

[Al1977]

Finally, introduce your own payment system.

Already. Although she is better than others, I still do not understand. I stay on the mastercard.

Introduce an electronic queue system (ticket issuance) in all hospitals and state institutions

In Moscow already. In many clinics. He received a passport by sending an application on the website of public services, changed his rights there. Plane / train tickets for a long time taking the site.

To create state raw material bases in each region

How is the state better? Local officials will appoint their children again.

[tasha]

WORLD is at the level of banks. Free terminals I want

Unfortunately, electronic recording via the Internet is not available to everyone. At least I'm talking about the level of issue of numbers. To order was.

I agree, there is one. And where to go? Heavy industry products are still a state level.

[Vadim237]

“Roughly speaking, rolled metal products are made and delivered to the region by the state.” - Excuse me, at whose expense will it be so lovely? This is done by private companies and cargo carriers.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vadim237

Excuse me, at whose expense will such a charm be?

As for whose, of course, at the expense of the state. They do not consider the state.

[tasha]

You, Alexander, wrote a not-so-smart thing.

[Al1977]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

As for whose, of course, at the expense of the state. They do not consider the state.

That is free then))))))

[Vadim237]

Cars will ride in the air, and workers will suck their paws - delivering all this scrap - there is no money, but you stay there, most importantly, believe that there will be a freebie.

[tasha]

I did not expect you to comment at this level.

[tasha]

Unfortunately, if you bring a small batch of raw materials, then transportation costs are high. And I don’t have much money. This is so, Wishlist, on the issue of state support for small and medium-sized businesses, as well as on the development of industry in the regions.

And I am already ready to purchase raw materials from the state at state prices. And there is nothing complicated and sophisticated here.

[Kudrevkn]

And where are the solutions to the vodka question? In the USSR, up to 20% of the salary and pension fund was given by vodka! Isn't that a big secret? "Does the state make metal rolling?" This is how Mordashov, Rashnikov, Lisin and Ko met. Combines will return to the bosom of the sovereign? You need to get drunk in the morning, my friend!

[Al1977]

Quote: KudrevKN

So here is Mordashov, Rashnikov, Lisin and Komet. plants will return to the bosom of the sovereign?

And we will check them on the line of patriotism))) We ate seriously, then of course no one will give it up voluntarily. Domodedovo over there could not overcome. And the point is, the state, on the contrary, is now trying to get rid of the asset. About the fact that state administration is more effective, they have already passed, this is not so. State corporations are an example, giant salaries and bonuses and scanty profits.

[Vadim237]

Now in Russia they produce 60 million decaliters of alcohol per year from not a fifth of the fake products, but the fight with it is in full swing.

[tasha]

On the vodka issue - it was all so, offhand. The Swedish experience is interesting in alcohol. Very interesting they have a sales system.

And then nationalization? I think the people you listed will be very happy to receive a large government order.

The address "my friend" is somewhat familiar in nature. I ask you to use it more in relation to me.

[alexej123]

Everything would be fine, but I think the 6th point of your disappointment. Remember the USSR, the distribution system, the state supplies. In the early 90s, part of it was destroyed, the other part was screwed up as it wanted. Organize again - "their" in the field will be wrapped up as well.

[tasha]

Who argues. Easily. But in Russia there is only 83 region. Is it really hard to find xnumx honest person? Here, in the real patriots damn damn

Test. Check. The only way.

Populism, of course. For the sake of the experiment, announce to the governors that in a month - a dictation on the Russian language live. Who has more than three mistakes - with the post down. What will happen?

[Al1977]

Quote: tasha

For the sake of the experiment, announce to the governors that in a month - a dictation on the Russian language live. Who has more than three mistakes - with the post down. What will happen?

Offer this to start with your business director. Then tell the route where he sent you.

[tasha]

Proposed . What a great idea, he says. Your wisdom is limitless. That's it ...

[akudr48]

"As friends you do not sit down, you are not suitable for musicians,"
said the fabulist.

But this is said about the musicians, and these guys are quite suitable for the designers of their pockets.

Since the highest pilots of embezzlement of pilots is to prepare the legislative framework for theft and the appropriate body, which will deal with the sewerage of financial flows in the necessary areas.
And yet, in such organizational structures, feedback is never provided, such as "entrusted - received", "said - done", "performance verification", "audit" and similar mechanisms, so that later there would be no one to ask ...

All this is already present on this "project site".

[Stalnov I.P.]

Globally speaking, it turns out the following, can the persons in power who have plunged the country into crisis - to bring it out of the crisis, there were NO such examples in history, who are Medvedev, Ulyukayev, Siluyanov, Dvorkovich, Shuvalov, Nabiullina, an expert Kudrin, who are in charge of the people who are responsible for what is happening now in our economy and they also remained in power, there was no sense from them then and will not be now. Their principle of dividing, sawing, taking away, CREATING, INCREASING, CREATING to them simply by virtue of their professional and mental abilities is NOT GIVEN. New people are needed, with patriotic thinking, professionals who are rooting for their HOMELAND then there will be a sense and more, everything is from the elite in this council, only there are no representatives of the common PEOPLE, then for whom is all this farce, for the "elite" close to the body, the position depressing President, when the question of the survival of the PEOPLE and the STATE arises, the utmost concentration, political will and rigidity in making decisions and their implementation are needed, and this "our" leader has NO. The answer will not be done and there are many examples of such an approach (the May decrees are the brightest example).

[tasha]

Indeed, say global things. "It's hard to be a god" Have you read the Strugatskys? About Arata?

Yes, new people are needed. Only they need to be selected. Using modern scientific achievements ...

Then he came up with a way to develop state dentistry in the regions. It is necessary for the governor to treat his precious teeth in a randomly selected state clinic in his region. And all the time in different, in the district, for example. And in the order of the general queue. Then everything will be fine. But! There is some kind of smart one and closes all the clinics, he will leave one ...

[Radical]

Quote: Temples

Who is a liberal in Russia, if not a secret?

It's no secret - the government is headed by Medvedev.

If you consider dollar billionaires to be liberals, then you are greatly mistaken.

Sir, do you intend to confuse concepts?
Where does it say that a liberal is a beggar?
The "final", so to speak, an accomplished liberal is precisely the billionaire.
Otherwise, why did your friends invent this concept?

But the fact that the Russians cannot accept liberalism in any way seems to annoy you.
But these are your problems.

And our problems are precisely in the government.
But these are our problems.
So, leave your advice to yourself.

You forgot about the Chief Liberal, by the way, he himself somehow admitted it ....

[Pitot]

Yes, they can not give birth to a normal. These unfortunate ministers only want to do their stuff and do it. For them, the concept of honor, homeland, people - an empty phrase. Main Power and Salvage, preferably in foreign currency. And housing for a cardon, two ...

[Mikhail3]

What is project economics? Here is a question that the author did not want (or could not) develop. The project approach has been implemented for a long time, but the current, very successful, form has taken on in the United States. How it works? Well, if it's just ...
Those in power have a certain understanding of the "general line", which they pledge (to each other, the people here so ... from the side) to follow. Now the question arises - how to implement this line? The Anglo-Saxons do this.
Each ruler (minister, president, committee, etc.) has a certain access to certain resources and money. What's next? How to do it all? In the USSR they wrote a single plan, handed out resources, cut tasks ... And the Anglo-Saxons? And there it’s different. One of the tasks is taken. The ruler decides which of the people he knows can cope with this task. And the task is entirely transferred to this person.
It is passed along with the requested resources and money. Authorities are also delegated, multilevel support is provided, to the best of the capabilities and agreements of the "owner".
Then it all depends on the business qualities of the selected artist and ... that's all. The contractor is completely free under the law, but completely depends on his success. Or failure ... at a certain (not so high) level of tasks, no one will begin to attract those who failed to go to court. An untimely death will be organized for him, and if he has let him down badly, it will be not only him. If successful, no one would even think of asking the winner, for example, a financial report. And so on...
Such a system allows us to achieve incredible success from our point of view. Suffice it to recall Afghanistan, where our army and our state were defeated by one retired CIA agent and two billion dollars. What's the problem? As always in the same, in which the main advantage. In people.
We need performers of the highest level, and also high moral principles. And where to get them now in the same USA? Enchanting failures that we see testify ...
And we? I will allow myself to quote the immensely respected Oleg Kuvaev. "If I ever want to squeeze all the juices out of my subordinates, I will also tell them - do whatever you think is necessary." This is how Russia worked. Conscience. Nothing else is needed, just some freedom, resources and a Russian conscience. And the "Siberian commodity turn" will be littered with grain grown almost on the permafrost ... But the Soviet government took the habit of not rewarding the winners at all, moreover, for a job well done, as a rule, they humiliated and spread rot, because you don't need to know how to work, one must "be able to live".
So what now? And now the "craftsmen to live" have transformed into oligarchs, ministers, etc. etc. To whom should the "project" assignment be entrusted? Craftsmen to live? So they only know how to "live", that is, to steal, cheat and mess around. But it is they who are the winners of the counter-revolution in our country and occupy the entire power vertical from top to bottom. The project economy tried to start in our country, but by whose hands? Rotenbergs, they are ... only all the routes of the pipelines they built are in white spots, and as usual, the further south, the larger the spots ...
It is impossible to implement projects by the hands of thieves and trapped, no matter how close to the Moscow-St. Petersburg party they were. But there are no others. That is, there are, but the party does everything to strangle them, the contrast is deadly for it. Not. The project economy in our country has no prospects yet.

[Al1977]

Quote: Mikhail3

And now the "craftsmen to live" have transformed into oligarchs, ministers, etc. etc. To whom should the "project" assignment be entrusted? Craftsmen to live? So they only know how to "live", that is, to steal, cheat and mess around.

Do you really think the richest businessmen and ministers of people capable of only stealing and messing around ???? Can I have at least one example? I can idle awesomely, but from that I did not become an oligarch)))) Yes, there are a lot of people with such ability in the country))))

[tatra]

Quote: Al1977

Can I have at least one example?

There can be only one example - the first 18 peaceful years of the USSR’s possession by the Communists and their supporters is a large-scale development of the country.
The first quarter century of the possession of the enemies of the Communists by the republics of the USSR is a large-scale degradation of all the former republics of the USSR.
And the enemies of the communists, who received for such "work" many times, tens, hundreds and more times higher incomes and salaries than the majority of the people received.

[Al1977]

Quote: tatra

There can be only one example - the first 18 peaceful years of the USSR’s possession by the Communists and their supporters is a large-scale development of the country.
The first quarter century of the possession of the enemies of the Communists by the republics of the USSR is a large-scale degradation of all the former republics of the USSR.
And the enemies of the communists, who received for such "work" many times, tens, hundreds and more times higher incomes and salaries than the majority of the people received.

Are all communists such demagogues and move away from concrete examples?

[tatra]

What does "demagogues" have to do with it?
The results of your highly paid work, the enemies of the Communists, are enormous material and human damage to the former republics of the USSR and the peoples in them.
And you, who make the highest demands on the work of Soviet people, have no demands on your work.
For a quarter of a century, you have only one excuse "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists to blame", ".

[Al1977]

Quote: tatra

What does "demagogues" have to do with it?

Moreover? Let’s explain. Your words:

And now the "craftsmen to live" have transformed into oligarchs, ministers, etc. etc. To whom should the "project" assignment be entrusted? Craftsmen to live? So they only know how to "live", that is, to steal, cheat and mess around.

I wondered what kind of lazy oligarchs that annoy you. I asked about it.
Your Answer:

There can be only one example - the first 18 peaceful years of the USSR’s possession by the Communists and their supporters is a large-scale development of the country.

How many names did I learn from your message? NONE. What is this talking about? What you ... this is how cultural it is when you are balabolit with nothing .. well, you understand.

[Wasiliy1985]

And all the "democrats" are such demagogues that, in case of disagreement with "their" democracy, they launch unguided (sometimes atomic) bombs on Japan, Serbia, Vietnam, Korea, Laos, Cambodia, and even more countries?

As, the Democrat - the killer of the fascist nationalist

henchman?

Nothing that I have not indicated the complete list of your SINS OF THE LORD?

[Al1977]

Quote: Wasiliy1985

And all the "democrats" are such demagogues that, in case of disagreement with "their" democracy, they launch unguided (sometimes atomic) bombs on Japan, Serbia, Vietnam, Korea, Laos, Cambodia, and even more countries?

Are you talking about our government? Whom does it cherish? Laos? Or maybe Cambodia? What nonsense, comrade ???? !!!! WHO in our country herachet Laos?
Uh ... how I communicate in a madhouse ...

[Al1977]

Quote: Wasiliy1985

As, the Democrat - the killer of the fascist nationalist

henchman?

Would you have a snack or something? Nowhere else to touch, or what?

[Wasiliy1985]

And all the "democrats" are such demagogues and move away from specific examples: Japan (with the "democratic" atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki), with the total "carpet" bombings of Vietnam, Korea, Laos and Cambodia, with "democratic" bombings "in the Stone Age" Iraq and Libya, Yugoslavia and Serbia?
Huh? Are you our warlike democrat?
You, the so-called "democrats", should be tried for crimes against HUMANITY !!! And exile to one island, where nothing grows, without anything, and you cut off the supply "to zero". What would you, bastards of the human race, gnaw your own throats - that's what you were born for ..

[Mikhail3]

Quote: Al1977

Quote: Mikhail3

And now the "craftsmen to live" have transformed into oligarchs, ministers, etc. etc. To whom should the "project" assignment be entrusted? Craftsmen to live? So they only know how to "live", that is, to steal, cheat and mess around.

Do you really think the richest businessmen and ministers of people capable of only stealing and messing around ???? Can I have at least one example? I can idle awesomely, but from that I did not become an oligarch)))) Yes, there are a lot of people with such ability in the country))))

Gusinsky. Abramovich. Shuvalov. Kudrin. Medvedev. Yes, whoever you take. Yes, they are fussing. They are very fussy, Chubais does not get out of the government, as if he were the president. Eager loafers differ from workers in results. The maximum achieved by these "plowmen" is something like breathing Soviet factories. How does what they built work? Great, isn't it?
Yes, we have built many new industries. Automatic, so that people, God forbid, do not work ... but who built it? Alas, even these modules are not assembled by us. The situation is not just bad, everything is extremely, very, extremely bad! Oh ...

[Al1977]

Quote: Mikhail3

Gusinsky. Abramovich. Shuvalov. Kudrin. Medvedev. Yes, whoever you take. Yes, they are fussing. They are very fussy, Chubais does not get out of the government, as if he were the president. Eager loafers differ from workers in results. The maximum achieved by these "plowmen" is something like breathing Soviet factories. How does what they built work? Great, isn't it?

And that Putin is not attributed? What about the Minister of Development of the Far East? Is there any evidence?
As I look you are nobody and there is no way to call you. Something I do not observe you on the lists of presidential candidates ... but at least in measures, but at least in the head of housing and communal services.

[Lyubopyatov]

Reading the articles of current authors, I always stumble as a philologist: why significance, not significance? Why is significant - but not significant, important, significant, significant, serious ...? (Significance) and (significant) were invented by linguistic commissars by the beginning of the 30s of the last century according to the laws of the Belarusian towns, but they sounded in full voice from the rostrum of the Gorbachev congress of people's deputies. And they had a strong effect on the subconscious of democratic journalists, and then the rest.

[Kudrevkn]

Mikhail Zhvanetsky: "Vigorous work of the body ... with a general condition of constipation"? Absolutely nothing will change and will not change, because "nothing" is zero ??! The most surprising and paradoxical thing is that both in the Government (Kremlin), and on TV, and here on this platform, no one can imagine WHAT SHOULD BE DONE? Or how should you do it? Therefore, all discussions are nothing more than demagoguery and blah-blah-blah! Of course, a rockfall will surely fly to me: "If you are so smart, tell me what to do with a treba? If not, then you d ...?" Gentlemen! The question is serious and cannot be solved "right off the bat" - you need to sort everything out on the shelves, carefully chew each thesis and explain so that it reaches everyone and everyone, the essence of the idea (program) becomes clear and understandable: what exactly to do, how long, how much it costs what effect, etc. And so, in passing, "with a cavalry swoop" hack from the shoulder: "We will create a Council, we will fall into the legs of the West," the market must regulate everything, "etc." We will not sell the elephant! "Sincerely, yours KNK ...

[Vadim237]

The local "economists" have an idea that will solve all the problems of the Russian economy - a quick jump from a market economy to a planned one - they say that it will help you in no time.

[eyed]

How many and what other "tips" should be created in order to finally make sure that this is all FUFLO (see the original concept). And the same "reformers" of the same bullshit have been trying to give us this bullshit for many years now. For 26 years, only one has heard: "reforms. Reforms, reforms." And all these three concepts are only about one thing - the rise in prices for everything-about-everything and the deterioration of the life of the population (90%) and the improvement in all respects of the life of the "reformers" themselves (10%). If someone wants to object to me, let him name at least one reform with + for the people (real !!! and not on a piece of paper).

[Vadim237]

So with us all the reforms are bearing fruit — some positive, some negative, nothing is left on a piece of paper — everything goes into action.

[Wasiliy1985]

Half of the "advice" the same Onotole will replace! He has only one economic advice from the word "economy", and not "save" - ​​for our entire government (headed by DAM), a bunch of people ready even for immediate implementation as a ready-made economic program. Not all at once, of course, but without it this "advice" is about nothing!

[Vadim237]

"On all our government (headed by the DAM), a bunch of ready to at least for immediate implementation as a ready-made economic program" - Will come the same as the previous ones and everything will move the same way as now, the "new" "will not jump over their heads" - they are not professional athletes.

[Wasiliy1985]

There is no strategy and is not visible! And comrade DAM further enhances the resemblance to the situation a century ago ..
What is the essence of the national idea ?!

[OlegYola]

State Defense Committee

[MaxMelan]

Nashol audio! Here! Somewhere in the middle, a comparison of the economic theories of Smith and Pososhkov! In general, EVERYTHING IS INTERESTING! Generally listen to EVERYTHING! Very interesting.

http://muz-muz.net/download.php?cs=536311v4&u=101964415&n=74448d8090c2&a=В.-Меди
nsky & nn = 2.-Myth-about-Russian-thieves

[DimerVladimer]

But how so?
Isn’t it that the sun-faced man ensured the country's prosperity, personally ensured the growth of oil to $ 112 per barrel? That is precisely what he was credited with in the previous election of Edrosney.

Is it all on this?
The genius leader of the country was "blown away" along with the oil? Nothing "smarter" how to "bury money" in sports arenas - I have not come up with anything.

But what about import substitution?
Well, it worked - I agree: now we have a lot of local shit cheese (unripe and with a bad taste for rare exceptions), but at the price twice as expensive as parmesan, edamer and mozzarella - they replaced it like that - the prices are up 70%.

A GREAT IDEA FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTRY IS TO SEND THE "EFFECTIVE" KAB MIN MEDVEDEV AND THE INVALID PRESIDENT

[Vadim237]

"A GREAT IDEA FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTRY IS TO SEND THE EFFECTIVE" KAB MINING OF MEDVEDEV and THE INVALID PRESIDENT "- Well, send me, they will leave, - and then what? - Money in the treasury will definitely not appear from this.

[Outsider V.]

Quote: DimerVladimer

Isn’t it that the sun-faced man ensured the country's prosperity, personally ensured the growth of oil to $ 112 per barrel? That is precisely what he was credited with in the previous election of Edrosney.

Did the sun-faced (as you put it) promised you personally an increase in oil prices? And I didn’t even solve such a simple task ... Let me remind you that, as it turned out, they could not defend themselves from a meteorite in Chelyabinsk either. Although it’s simpler - put up a meteor defense (described in detail by Lem and Asimov) throughout the country - and Vasya-kot! But even here the sun-faced man blundered!

Quote: DimerVladimer

we are full of local shitty cheese (unripe and with a bad taste for rare ones), but at a price twice as expensive as parmesan

Do you know the price of parmesan or just trynd?

Quote: DimerVladimer

A GREAT IDEA FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTRY IS TO SEND THE "EFFECTIVE" KAB MIN MEDVEDEV AND THE INVALID PRESIDENT

Around 1989, the emancipated ladies also shouted: "WHILE THE COUNTRY WILL BE A SINGLE-PARTY SYSTEM (the speech, naturally, was about a bad and" ineffective "CPSU, which urgently needs to be replaced with a system of competing paid toilets and home bakeries-locksmith-planed) THE BARDAK WILL CONTINUE! " And now "this mess" ended in 1991 ...