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Erdogan demands that Washington give out oppositionist preacher Gulen to Turkey, and eight defectors from Athens

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Tayyip Erdogan appealed to the American president with a request to extradite preacher Fethullah Gülen to the Turkish authorities, accused of Ankara of organizing a failed military coup, reports RIA News.




“I am addressing the head of the United States. I have always said: who is in Pennsylvania or deported or extradite to us. But they did not hear me. Now, after this attempted coup, I again appeal: finally deliver it to Turkey. If we are strategic partners, then fulfill our requirement. After all, we gave out the terrorists you asked for. Now give us someone who is on our list of terrorists ”,
said the Turkish leader, speaking at a rally in front of his supporters.

Meanwhile, the Greek authorities reiterated that they condemn the attempted coup in Turkey, however, the issue of extradition of Turkish citizens to 8 who sought political asylum will be resolved in accordance with international and Greek law.

On Saturday, a second telephone conversation took place between the Foreign Ministers of Turkey (Mevlut Cavusoglu) and Greece (Nikos Kotzias) about the extradition of coup participants to Ankara, who fled to Greek Alexandroupolis by helicopter.

“Kotzias repeated to his Turkish colleague the point of view of the Greek government, according to which an attempt to overthrow the democratically elected government of Turkey represents a coup and, therefore, a punishable act. In connection with the request for asylum, Kotzias stressed that this issue would be considered as provided for by the relevant Greek and international legislation, and the procedures provided for by international law would be followed, and very seriously, those arrested in their country were accused of violating constitutional legality and trying to undermine democracy ", - says the release of the Greek Foreign Ministry.

According to analysts, the extradition of coup members could be hindered by Ankara’s intention to return to the legislation the institution of the death penalty. After the attempted coup, many citizens and deputies of the Turkish parliament demand this.

The Greeks themselves do not hold the helicopter, and it will be transferred to the Turkish side in the near future.
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  1. Altona
    Altona 17 July 2016 10: 00
    +7
    Or can American planes crumble at Incirlik in the beginning? Weak, Recep Taipovich? wink soldier
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 17 July 2016 10: 04
      +4
      It looks like NATO’s trousers climbed at the seams. Taki, soon their whole essence will fall out. laughing
      1. Altona
        Altona 17 July 2016 10: 20
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        It looks like NATO’s trousers climbed at the seams. Taki, soon their whole essence will fall out.

        --------------------------------
        For all my antipathy for Recep Erdogan, I must admit that he wants to pursue an independent national policy. Of course, he lacks education, endurance and diplomacy. Instead of discussing the delicate problems of our oil business, our bomber took and shot down. Now he’s again at a dead end, he feels that he has clawed and shaggy US legs in his jacket, which under other circumstances would definitely help to push him.
        1. pigkiller
          pigkiller 17 July 2016 10: 47
          0
          Turkey. GKChP-2016.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 17 July 2016 11: 31
            +6
            Quote: pigkiller
            Turkey. GKChP-2016.

            GKChP held from August 18 to 21, 1991. 3 days Karl! THREE!
            1. Ze Kot
              Ze Kot 17 July 2016 11: 56
              0
              Quote: sabakina
              Quote: pigkiller
              Turkey. GKChP-2016.

              GKChP held from August 18 to 21, 1991. 3 days Karl! THREE!



              And how many in Turkey already? Have you already freed the frigate?
        2. captain
          captain 17 July 2016 11: 46
          -1
          Like there in the cinema; however, I am unsuccessful that this plate will speak.
      2. Khariton
        Khariton 17 July 2016 10: 23
        0
        Erdogan first quarreled with Russia, then with Germany (recognition of the Armenian Genocide and refusal to join the EU), now it runs into the USA! But it’s weak to leave NATO ..? bully
        1. cheap trick
          cheap trick 17 July 2016 10: 54
          +1
          Turkey is kept in NATO by the relative security of the country. Still, there is an important point in the NATO protocol! an attack on a NATO country is an attack on the entire bloc! because Turkey has a lot of enemies especially in the Middle East. so I think Turkey will not leave the alliance under any option. (except to become under the wing of RUSSIA AND CHINA in full, in the military I mean)
          1. good7
            good7 17 July 2016 22: 22
            +1
            cheap trick (1) GB Today, 10:54 ↑ New
            Turkey is kept in NATO by the relative security of the country. Still, there is an important point in the NATO protocol! an attack on a NATO country is an attack on the entire bloc! because Turkey has a lot of enemies especially in the Middle East. so I think Turkey will not leave the alliance under any option. (except to become under the wing of RUSSIA AND CHINA in full, in the military I mean)
            Uh-huh, you know that the Turks and the Uighurs are organizing a terrorist attack on a terrorist attack abroad in Thailand, for example! So it's nice to see such "friends" rammed into a trench!
      3. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 17 July 2016 10: 25
        +2
        The Yankees greatly tarnished their reputation in Turkey))) the Sultan is now tormenting paranoia)))
      4. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 17 July 2016 10: 32
        +5
        Quote: siberalt
        Taki, soon their whole essence will fall out.
        Their whole essence falls out through the rectum and has a characteristic smell and color.
        Quote: Altona
        For all my antipathy towards Recep Erdogan, I must admit that he wants to pursue an independent national policy
        You know, my opinion about Erdogan changed for the better when I saw how during the coup the people who took to the streets in support of the legitimate president were trying to stop the rebel armored vehicles with their bare hands. It turned out that despite all his serious schools, Erdogan enjoys serious support from the population.
        And now, purely hypothetically, mirror the situation ..
        1. dzvero
          dzvero 17 July 2016 11: 15
          +1
          It’s interesting that the calls to take to the streets in support of Erdogan were voiced by the mullahs BEFORE the president’s address on Skype. So he was supported on a religious basis. And I think the failure of the coup still comes back to us all.
        2. Ze Kot
          Ze Kot 17 July 2016 11: 57
          0
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          You know, my opinion about Erdogan changed for the better when I saw how during the coup the people who took to the streets in support of the legitimate president were trying to stop the rebel armored vehicles with their bare hands.



          It's just that the "rebels" didn't finish it, they didn't take all the necessary steps ...
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 17 July 2016 14: 57
            +2
            Quote: The Cat
            It's just that the "rebels" didn't finish it, they didn't take all the necessary steps ...
            It seems to me that the failure of a military coup attempt has two main reasons:
            - the military could not arrest or liquidate Erdogan at a hotel in Marmaris, where he was resting;
            - after this failure, the leadership of the putschists (in particular, the head of the Turkish General Staff and the commander of the Air Force), realizing that everything was not going according to plan, panicked and turned on the back, trying to expose some "majors and lieutenant colonels" as extreme. Left without leadership capable of taking responsibility for military action, the rank-and-file conspirators quickly merged.
            In general, the putschists acted quite competently at the first stage. But one mistake, or, as Erdogan said, "a gift from Allah", decided the fate of the entire coup.
            Therefore, personally, I am not inclined to consider what happened as a provocation. Classic failed rebellion.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 17 July 2016 15: 35
              +1
              Quote: Ami du peuple Therefore, personally, I am not inclined to consider what happened as a provocation. Classic failed rebellion.

              I’ll bring the analytics with which I agree, therefore I copied it.
              Judging by the known facts, much was based on eliminating Erdogan at the beginning of the coup (the Turkish Staufenberg was supposed to "detonate his own bomb"). The attack on the hotel, where Erdogan was no longer there, turned out to be a blow to the void and this almost immediately confused the plans of the conspirators, who, several hours after the coup, actually controlled the top of the army, aviation and navy, occupied the General Staff building and were preparing to occupy the offices of major media and take "bridges. , mail and telegraphs "as the classics bequeathed. At the same time, the notorious "majors" and "colonels" who were exposed as "organizers of the coup" were in fact a cover for the actions of the top generals, who had to come into play when Erdogan was killed and the putschists controlled the situation. From this point of view, they acted very logically and in this regard, the whole coup in Turkey more than anything else reminded the "Staufenberg conspiracy", where the figures of field marshals were invisibly behind the immediate conspirators. I recommend contradicting the description of the Stauffenberg conspiracy http://rushist.com/index.php/toland-adolf-gitler/1266-zagovor-shtauffenberga-pro
              tiv-gitlera to better understand the reasons for this seemingly "strange" behavior of the putschists. What some thought was "strange" was actually very human behavior on the part of people who realized that things were not going as planned. Already a day after the suppression of the putsch, information emerges that the head of the Turkish General Staff Hulusi Akar was involved in organizing the coup. Retired Air Force Commander Akin Azturk openly stated that he acted together with Akar, from which it follows that the stories about the "conspiracy of the colonels" serve as an ordinary smokescreen that covered the main persons of the coup at the stage of its preparation and implementation and retained the opportunity for them in case of failure to declare that "they knew nothing", "we were held by force" and "we never supported the putschists." But while the siloviki loyal to Erdogan dealt with the immediate putschists, more and more questions were piling up on the topic of the military elite. Akar has now actually surrendered, there are questions about the "capture" of the commanders of the Turkish Air Force and Navy. There are questions about the command of the 2nd Army in Malatya, where clashes also took place. The conspiracy apparently extended beyond the top of the Air Force and the military gendarmerie. Akar's involvement indicates that the top leadership of the army was either in direct contact with the conspirators, or at least knew about the threat of the putsch and turned a blind eye to it. It is likely that some of the generals "loyal" to Erdogan could also know about the conspiracy or even be a member of it, but at some point they simply defected to Erdogan's side and took part in the suppression of the putsch organized by their friends and colleagues, as in 1944 this was done by the commander of the Army of the Reserve Fromm.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 17 July 2016 15: 37
                +2
                When it became obvious that Erdogan survived and overcame his indecision (for some time Erdogan's plane did not dare to fly directly to Istanbul and circled south of the city) landed in Istanbul, the plans of the conspirators began to collapse, as they took the first step, and those who stood behind them, they were not supported - someone was scared, someone ran over to Erdogan's side at the last moment, someone did not do what was required. The putschists said A, but did not tell B, why the whole coup began to produce a crumpled character, which gave rise to various conspiracy theories on the topic "The US is leaking" and "This is Erdogan's staging." The Turkish military acted quite stereotyped and were even ready to repeat the experience of the Egyptian military, who corny shot a human shield, which Mursi and Erdogan tried to hide behind. If the generals came into play, then in Ankara and Istanbul, much more civilians would die, since it is obvious that among the conspirators there were people ready to shed blood in order to seize power. But when the "majors and colonels" realized that there would be no support, everything began to collapse even more rapidly than it had begun, and further killings of civilians simply lost their meaning. All these beautiful crowds with flags for the sake of a picture make sense exactly until the moment when an unknown captain or major gives the order to fire machine guns to kill and confirms this order again and again, as was the case, for example, in Cairo, where the military did not hesitate to shoot several hundred people ( including women and children) with portraits of Mursi and Egyptian flags. They acted this way because they were sure that the current President of Egypt, Al-Sisi, on whom all this blood would not merge and would support his soldiers. Therefore, they calmly shot people and they did not get anything for it, because they won. The military in Turkey, too, were ready to shoot and fired, fired at from a helicopter, crushed with tanks, but exactly until it became clear that "Turkish As-Sisi "(Akar, apparently at 2-3 o'clock in the morning, jumped off the subject of the coup and pretended to be his" victim ", although at the very beginning of the coup it was his putschists who called him the future leader of Turkey) will not be responsible for the shed blood, that will write off all these corpses will not happen. Hence the landslide collapse of the rebels' resistance. http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/
            2. Ze Kot
              Ze Kot 17 July 2016 21: 57
              0
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              It seems to me that the failure of a military coup attempt has two main reasons:


              Least :

              They could not take Erdogan.
              They did not take complete control of television and radio.
              They did not control cellular communications and mobile Internet.
    2. milann
      milann 17 July 2016 10: 30
      +2
      “Kotzias repeated to his Turkish counterpart the point of view of the Greek government, according to which an attempt to overthrow the democratically elected government of Turkey represents a coup ..."- after all, a coup, but we were hanged something else about Ukraine in 2014.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 17 July 2016 10: 46
        +2
        Quote: milann
        "Kotzias repeated to his Turkish colleague the point of view of the Greek government, according to which an attempt to overthrow the democratically elected government of Turkey is a coup ..." - after all, a coup, but we were hanged something else about Ukraine in 2014.

        Why didn’t anyone notice Kerry’s words, but he was simply told that it was necessary to ensure the continuity of power. He thereby confirmed that the Americans were not against the coup, or maybe .... ???
  2. alekc73
    alekc73 17 July 2016 10: 02
    +3
    It's a muddy thing - this "coup"
    1. activator
      activator 17 July 2016 10: 25
      0
      Quote: alekc73
      It's a muddy thing - this "coup"

      It’s just not otherwise the will of Allah that the coup did not take place and even the returning Erdogan hung in the air between Germany and England and back, usually if they all fly out, they all do not return.
  3. hirurg
    hirurg 17 July 2016 10: 02
    0
    The Greeks certainly will not miss the chance to annoy Erdogan.
    Let's not forget that these 8 defectors are military.
    They probably know a lot of interesting things.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 17 July 2016 10: 06
      +2
      Greeks are also NATO members. They have already returned the helicopter on which the "deserters" flew to them. Tsipras rules there! Unlike him, Erdogan did not impose sanctions on Russia.
      1. midivan
        midivan 17 July 2016 10: 19
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        Unlike him, Erdogan did not impose sanctions against Russia.

        if Erdogan had imposed sanctions, the coup could have been supported by many more people, the tour business is certainly all gardeners smile
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 17 July 2016 10: 35
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        There Tsipras steers! Unlike him Erdogan did not introduce sanctions against Russia.


        Yeah ... Just at his direction shot down a Russian combat aircraft ...
        It’s just that, with his connivance, militants are preparing and treating on the territory of Turkey, against which Russia is fighting in Syria ...
        Just from the territory of Turkey, these militants in Syria are constantly receiving replenishment - both by people and weapons ...

        Just ... just ... just he did not impose sanctions against Russia ...
        Well, right - a friend of Russia!
        1. bovig
          bovig 17 July 2016 11: 48
          +3
          Quote: weksha50
          Yeah ... Just at his direction shot down a Russian combat aircraft ...
          It’s just that, with his connivance, militants are preparing and treating on the territory of Turkey, against which Russia is fighting in Syria ...
          Just from the territory of Turkey, these militants in Syria are constantly receiving replenishment - both by people and weapons ...

          We don’t know much, however, and more often reflect on our emotions ... The closest example is Russia: the president conducts his pro-state policy, the government (more specifically, the financial and economic bloc) pursues his anti-people policy (ignoring the implementation of the May presidential decrees, failure of pension reform ) and there are still many contradictions ... As it turned out, Turkey is a parliamentary republic and the president is not the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and, of course, could not give instructions for such actions ... In Turkey, everything is not easy (however, as with us, as and in any other country), especially since there are too many influential external players. It has been used as an instrument of warfare against Russia by the Anglo-Saxons since time immemorial ... Any leader of this country trying to break this established tradition is subjected to serious pressure, if not a banal elimination. You need to consider this country as a knife brought over our heads by a bandit hiding his face under a mask. And you need to understand that a knife can be intercepted and stuck in the brazen face of a bandit ... If you simply break a knife, you will not protect yourself from other attacks of this bandit ... As history has repeatedly confirmed ...
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 17 July 2016 12: 19
            0
            Quote: bovig
            You need to consider this country as a knife brought over our heads by a bandit hiding his face under a mask. And you need to understand that the knife can be intercepted and stuck in the brazen face of the bandit ..



            Hmm ... In general - I agree ...
            But this knife is interesting, well, just fantastic ... It is not only in the hand of the guiding bandit, but he himself strives to turn against Russia all the time ...

            Well, the fact that Erdogan is NOT the supreme Commander-in-Chief and that he did not personally ordered the defeat of our aircraft does not in any way remove his guilt, as he did from the head of state ...

            And in general, why does a state mechanism need such a device when the president, parliament, government and the Armed Forces are each on their own?

            This is no longer a state, but an anarchist entity ...
  4. alpamys
    alpamys 17 July 2016 10: 02
    +2
    It’s a pity that this moron didn’t
  5. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 17 July 2016 10: 02
    +3
    The State Department will consider, answer something like - "we will not hand over our own."
  6. Tusv
    Tusv 17 July 2016 10: 12
    0
    The Greeks themselves do not hold a helicopter

    I just imagined the execution of the helicopter and "good mood", no, I didn't leave, I returned
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 July 2016 10: 12
    +1
    In, ask the Americans for something that they don’t want to do. With all my determination! Maybe they’ll give laughing even the Greeks are in no hurry to give someone out. But Greece, a member of NATO! But the NATO charter does not provide for the case when one NATO member attacks another? There will be a CASUS!
    1. Ren
      Ren 18 July 2016 12: 12
      0
      This incident was already, in my opinion, in 1974.
  8. avvg
    avvg 17 July 2016 10: 14
    +1
    There is a reason to deal with his "rivals and opponents," Erdogan not to miss his chance.
  9. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 17 July 2016 10: 16
    +4
    Well, now the demonstration will begin ... fart-Ottoman damn .. hard. I do not like him, but respect, respect ... he has a ridge, cattle
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 17 July 2016 10: 24
      0
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Well, now the demonstration will begin ... fart-Ottoman damn .. hard. I do not like him, but respect, respect ... he has a ridge, cattle

      Not afraid, and for that I respect him, a serious enemy!
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 17 July 2016 10: 40
      +4
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      . has a backbone, cattle


      That's what bothers me ...

      On the one hand, Erdogan is accused of leading Turkey to an Islamic form of government, that is, religious ...

      The generals and the army are supposedly pro-Western and FOR the secular nature of government ...

      Gulen, who is the enemy of Erdogan, and who supposedly rules the generals, however, is also a religious figure ...

      In general, after listening to the media - both ours and not ours, some kind of jumble begins in my head ...

      The conclusion can be very simple: there is a usual struggle for power, embellished for beauty with religious and secular trinkets ... There is only one point - power ...
      1. ruskih
        ruskih 17 July 2016 12: 23
        +1
        [

        In general, after listening to the media - both ours and not ours, some kind of jumble begins in my head ...

        [/ Quote]

        “Yıldırım blamed 'parallel structures' in the army for the mutiny. The Turkish authorities use this term to refer to the supporters of the preacher Fethullah Gulen. "Link: http: //pioneer-lj.livejournal.com/1644461.html
        Read the link may become clearer.
  10. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 17 July 2016 10: 25
    +4
    In fact, Gulen is a very significant, significant and, if you like, respected figure in the Muslim world. Of course, they will not give him to Turkey.
    And Erdogan, with his categorical speeches, again puts himself in an awkward position. Well, he barked now at Amerikosov, they will openly put the device on his requirements, and then what?
  11. beer-youk
    beer-youk 17 July 2016 10: 33
    +1
    Quote: alekc73
    It's a muddy thing - this "coup"


    However, with a clear purpose. This clowning is organized, as we have in 1991, for the "divorce of suckers" in the sense of the population. We have for the collapse of the country, they have - for tightening the screws.
  12. antiexpert
    antiexpert 17 July 2016 10: 34
    +3


    burnt pretzel)))
  13. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 17 July 2016 10: 36
    +5
    In the story of our downed plane, one thing struck me from the very beginning - why?

    Relations between Turkey and Russia are more than good. Under conditions of sanctions, Turkish business is generally booming. Putin has a good personal relationship with Erdogan. In general, there is nothing to share (the version that the Turks want to squeeze Crimea from a nuclear power is immediately noted). Syria? Well, do not be children, the neighbors were warned about the entry of troops into Syria and everything was agreed. To mutual satisfaction.

    Therefore, the downed plane and the warlike rhetoric of Erdogan were so ridiculous and provoked such a sharp assessment by Putin. Indeed - a stab in the back.

    But why?

    Now listen, explain it once.

    A plot is brewing in Turkey. Erdogan is aware, but there is no evidence, the military is also afraid.

    And here our planes are at the borders. One of the participants in the conspiracy, without the approval of Erdogan, gives the faithful people an order to bring down the plane. What for?

    But why:
    1. The conflict between Russia and Turkey will begin - the army will take power by virtue of martial law.
    2. Erdogan will begin to apologize - the army will take power because the ruler is weak and a traitor.
    3. Erdogan will begin to swear with Russia - the army will take power, because the ruler is crazy and brought the country to conflict, hit the economy and is generally not adequate.

    Erdogan understands everything. But he has no choice - he chooses the third path. However, he tries to release everything on the brakes and slowly reveals the participants in the conspiracy. Trying to contact Putin and explain what is happening. It does not work out right away.

    But in the end, through the mediation of Israel (I had to make peace with him), the information was conveyed. Half-hearted apologies and a certain softening of the situation follow. In our opinion, it seemed like there were apologies, in the opinion of the Turks - regrets. But everyone is as if satisfied. Erdogan is back on horseback; conspirators are forced to start a rebellion not in the best conditions.

    But Erdogan is already waiting for this. He escapes arrest, the faithful units strike at the rebels (it is possible that there was some help from outside too - information from Mossad, or something else).

    The rebellion is suppressed.

    Now Erdogan announces that it’s the bastards that the rebels quarreled Turkey with Russia, almost led to a nuclear war and the villains in general. The army is demoralized and suffers. Erdogan already apologizes more correctly, pays money for the plane. Relations restored. The South Stream and other projects beneficial to the Turks and us are launched.

    If the last paragraph comes true in the near future - then I, as usual, am right. :)

    PS The main victims are Ukrainians



    SERGEY LUKYANENKO

    Source →
    Published by 16.07.2016 on 22: 22


    You can agree, you can disagree with this opinion, but there is some kind of logic in all this explaining the inadequate actions of Erdogan in relation to Russia. Time will put everything in its place!
  14. stas
    stas 17 July 2016 10: 39
    0
    I’m sure that the coups in Turkey will not end there.

    But Turkey must be helped behind the scenes with the United States, but the Kurds too.
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 17 July 2016 10: 56
      +5
      But what a butt, the usual bargaining ...
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  16. pigkiller
    pigkiller 17 July 2016 10: 47
    +4
    Quote: Fonmeg
    Time will put everything in its place!

    I really want this time not to be flawless.
  17. Belarus
    Belarus 17 July 2016 10: 59
    +2
    Perdogan can only scare "European poodles" and all ugh Mickey Mouse Turkish.
  18. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 17 July 2016 11: 07
    +1
    Now this Gulen will change his passport, and the United States will say that they do not have such a person!
  19. red_october
    red_october 17 July 2016 11: 14
    +3
    Meanwhile, losers of the domestic spill reminded themselves ...
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 17 July 2016 11: 23
      +3
      We didn’t orient ourselves ... defecated in a puddle ...
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 17 July 2016 12: 24
      +2
      Quote: red_october
      Meanwhile, losers of the domestic spill reminded themselves of themselves ...


      Well, let them try to repeat with us ...

      Probably, the army will not be required ... the people themselves will disperse this shoble ...

      PS Is Khodor, Chicher and the horse-girl so sure that they can move the masses to revolution ??? They are exactly ???
      Bullshit ... They live in their own, unreal world ...
    3. magician
      magician 17 July 2016 15: 28
      0
      damn, they found someone to remember! downed pilots gnaw the way of their brethren in a ravine. Well, Turkey, with a new putsch, they are not used to, judging by the history.
    4. magician
      magician 17 July 2016 15: 28
      0
      damn, they found someone to remember! downed pilots gnaw the way of their brethren in a ravine. Well, Turkey, with a new putsch, they are not used to, judging by the history.
  20. askort154
    askort154 17 July 2016 11: 14
    +1
    The current Western "sovereignty" is very indicative. All EU countries are swollen. Not a single appraisal, let alone any statements about a "coup attempt" in the NATO country, has been heard. Everyone is waiting for the owner's "resume".
    And the "owner" himself mutters something incomprehensible. Poles and Balts, Ay! Voice your vision on
    such a loud event in "your" camp. You are sovereign ...? Got it, NO! Born to crawl, cannot fly! Your lot is to bark at the command of the owner. One consolation, you are not alone. You are 28 in the EU, and even more in NATO. Wait for the owner's command!
    1. dzvero
      dzvero 17 July 2016 11: 40
      0
      Everything is true about the EU. But the most interesting is that there are no intelligible ratings from major players such as the United States and the Russian Federation; and China is generally silent ... Maybe they sense a divorce from Erdogan and get off with general calls to respect the rule of law and defend democracy.
  21. orlan912
    orlan912 17 July 2016 11: 24
    0
    The Greek authorities promised Erdogan to extradite everyone. But with America it will be more difficult for Erdogan.
  22. antiexpert
    antiexpert 17 July 2016 11: 26
    +1
    Quote: Fonmeg
    And here our planes are at the borders. One of the participants in the conspiracy, without the approval of Erdogan, gives the faithful people an order to bring down the plane. What for?

    But why:
    1. The conflict between Russia and Turkey will begin - the army will take power by virtue of martial law.
    2. Erdogan will begin to apologize - the army will take power because the ruler is weak and a traitor.
    3. Erdogan will begin to swear with Russia - the army will take power, because the ruler is crazy and brought the country to conflict, hit the economy and is generally not adequate.

    Erdogan understands everything. But he has no choice - he chooses the third path. However, he tries to release everything on the brakes and slowly reveals the participants in the conspiracy. Trying to contact Putin and explain what is happening. It does not work out right away.

    4. The conflict between Russia and Turkey will begin - the Russian Federation will cover calibers with TNW in Turkey, and the Kirdyk army and Erdogan Kirdyk - in general, the entire Kirdyk Turkey - can not think this option through?
  23. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 17 July 2016 12: 00
    0
    A noise from nothing. One wolf pack, and wolves can only drive out the weak from the pack or bite a hopeless wounded man!
  24. aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 July 2016 12: 26
    0
    The Greeks themselves do not hold the helicopter, and it will be transferred to the Turkish side in the near future.

    I believe the Greeks will give out people too ...
  25. Anton Yu
    Anton Yu 17 July 2016 15: 33
    -2
    Now the Internet is slowly recognizing that the terrorist attack in Nice was also staged, various evidence is given. In the photo there is a car that allegedly shot down 387 people. And why is it clean, as after washing?
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 17 July 2016 18: 55
      +1
      Quote: Anton Yu
      In the photo there is a car that allegedly shot down 387 people. And why is it clean, as after washing?


      France is the same. Everything is clean, everything is cultural.
      1. Anton Yu
        Anton Yu 17 July 2016 19: 00
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        And the most important thing is that among the injured are mannequins clean next to the blood type poured. And another victim was approached by police and tapped on the head, and then dragged off somewhere.
  26. Anton Yu
    Anton Yu 17 July 2016 16: 39
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    now watched a video on YouTube. A few people are lying around a bunch of manikins.