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"Social elevators" in the past and now

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This was not told in class. stories in Soviet schools, but some of the most combat-ready Kolchak units were the regiments recruited from among the workers of Izhevsk and Ural armory factories. Indeed, a fraction of the state money from military orders fell to them. The master could receive even one hundred rubles a month. So they did not need the Bolsheviks at all, and there was not even talk of any proletarian solidarity.
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Some time ago an interesting topic of “social elevators” “surfaced” at the HE. Again began in the comments to appear beaten stamps about the crunch of the French loaf (well, how much can you repeat the same thing ?!), and everything, as a rule, came down to personal debating experiences. Sadly, the content analysis of the same “comments” unequivocally shows that VO visitors do not read not only the Issues of History magazine, the History of State and Law magazines (well, apparently considering them too serious), but also Rodina magazine where there are also links to archive files, and where very serious researchers are writing. Moreover, I would characterize this journal as “massive”, “with pictures”, that is, interesting in all respects and written by no means in an excessively scientific language. And there is also a rather popular (in the sense of presentation) “Military-Historical Journal” and the magazine “History in Detail”, interesting because each of its numbers is devoted to one specific historical topic. Links to these publications in the comments are missing, alas.

Therefore, it makes sense to rely not on scientific work, which few people read anyway, but on a very personal, I would say, family experience, which everyone has in this regard. This, of course, is not quite a scientific approach, because there are always exceptions, but, nevertheless, being documented, it also turns into a certain historical source. Today it has become fashionable to look for your family tree. Our state Penza archive is full of such "search engines", and many work for money. But I was lucky with the sources in this regard. Many documents are kept in my home, and many of them are simply unique.

So, “social elevators” ... What our ancestors could and could not, and when their work played a certain role in their fate, and where only “lady luck” is always desired, but windy and not constant.


The second page, no, not a passport, but ... the “passport book” (as they called it then) of my great-grandfather Konstantin Petrov Taratynov — they wrote for some reason then.

Well, I would like to start (since we are talking about the most ordinary level of reality) from the history of his great-grandfather: Peter Konstantinovich Taratynov, a tradesman of the city of Morshansk, according to an Orthodox passport, which was important for Russia then. How he was in Penza, I can not say. But I know that by the year 1882 he was already a master of the locomotive workshops of the Syzran-Vyazma railway, and he did not immediately become a master, he went all the way from the ordinary worker. But ... did not drink! Anyone who offered him a "fill up", said that he had vowed God, and people lagged behind him. He went under his command to 100 workers, and if someone brought his son to the workshops, he had to “bow with a quarter ticket”. And it was not a bribe, but “respect”. A bribe would be “Katenka” or “Peter”, because there was a line in the workshops, everyone knew each other, and bypass it was difficult to get through to the profitable place (it was followed!), And not “godly” ". My grandfather told me about it, named after his father Peter, and he was the last child in the family, and in total there were five sons and five daughters, but only many children died. There are three sons left, and the girl is only one.


One of the elevators upstairs in Tsarist Russia was faith. That is, if you are Orthodox, then you had more chances. But if you were hardworking, did not drink, and worked diligently, then, living in the city, you could easily make a career, save up for home, and educate children.

And in the year of 1882 with the money he built a house in Penza, on Aleksandrovskaya Street. And ... that night they burned down his house. Such people were kind and responsive to the success of others in Penza. True, not all burned. And from my charred logs my great-grandfather laid down a large barn, and then I was very surprised to look at him - why are the logs burning? Then the great-grandfather went to the merchant Paramonov and took out a loan, and he insured the new house in the company of Salamander. The sign on the door remained until the 1974 year, when our house was demolished and given an apartment nearby.

Continuing to work, Peter Konstantinovich gave all the children an education. Vladimir graduated from high school, teacher's institute and taught mathematics all his life. As a child (he died in the 1961 year), I didn’t like him very much, and above all, because he always addressed my grandfather patronizingly and called him “Pierre”. Sister Olga also graduated from some women's courses, learned to speak French and ... married a colonel of the Russian Imperial Army! It seems to be like? After all, the daughter of a railway master ... But somehow she came out (here it is, a social elevator!) And on the eve of World War I went with him to Paris, where "profuril" (family tradition!) A whole pot out of sour cream ("jar", yes?) gold coins! All your dowry! I saw such a pot at my grandmother, I remember a family gold coin (“on the teeth”) with the profile of Nicholas, and I simply could not believe my ears. After all, at school we were told that both the workers and their children in Tsarist Russia were all doomed to poverty and illiteracy. And the 1917 revolution is not a confirmation? But that means not all.

My grandfather, alas, turned out to be a "scorching sheep" in the herd (he said so to me!). He was born last, in the 1891 year, and in the 15 years he went to Hammer in the same workshops. Hammerman! In the family, everyone said: “Fu!” And he waved a hammer for three years until he made an inguinal hernia, and at the same time a “white ticket”, so that in 1914, he was not taken to the army. And how “the whole woman came out”, the grandfather took up his mind, finished the gymnasium, the teacher’s courses and became a teacher. And then the revolution! In the winter of 1918, the grandfather signed up for the party (!), And in the summer he was sent with a detachment to take bread from the kulaks. He shot, shot at him, but remained alive, although he was hiding from Antonovtsy in the closet. But ... the same year he left the Bolshevik Party! Mother died, there is no one to bury, but it is necessary, and again with the detachment ... "revolution in danger", or a funeral, or "a ticket to the table." He preferred the latter, his mother buried and ... went. And no one told him anything. Such then in the revolution were strange relations in the camp of revolutionaries.

Interestingly, in 1918, the decision was made to municipalize housing. That is, all housing from private became public. This provided the possibility of compaction, that is, the sharing of some people to others. After all, if your house is no longer yours, then you can do anything with it. But ... in 1926, the houses were “de-municipalized”. The government was unable to provide housing with proper care and repairs!

And his sister Olga leaned with her husband to Don, and there she went to the cart and fired a machine gun. Where does the information come from? And who knows, he heard at home, but he heard that her husband left her, “sailed to Constantinople,” and she came with a child from Crimea to Penza on foot. She came, stood under the window, where the grandfather and my grandmother were sitting, drinking tea and saying: “Pierre, look, I’m naked!” Undress the bathrobe, but there is nothing under it. And the grandfather gave her a teacher in some village and gave a bag of flour. He saved it. And she had three children: both sons, like my grandfather, died in the war, and her daughter and her and my grandfather remained and grew up.


The “Subscription” agreement was envisaged for the “de-municipalization” agreement that the owner of the returned housing undertook to repair it within a year. And then, they say, “municipalize” again!

But the funny thing is that she was never grateful to him. According to the court, after the death of “Uncle Volodya” (brother Vladimir), she chopped off part of the house, and when a dispute arose over the stove and carrying the wall, she said: “I didn’t heat my brother!” For which she received from her grandfather - "Bitch and White Guard b ..." I had to watch these "touching family relationships" in childhood, and then I firmly decided (like one of the characters in the film "Beware of the car") that "you must marry an orphan." As a result, the wall had to be moved to 15 centimeters!

In 1940, the grandfather re-entered the VKP (b) as a member, graduated from an external teaching institute, that is, received a higher education, and worked throughout the war as head of the goron, so much so that he was awarded the Order of Lenin and the Badge of Honor. But even though he was, as they said, an “order-bearer”, his family lived in terrible distress. The house had an entrance hall, a storage room, two rooms and a kitchen. Here lived my grandfather and grandmother, his two sons and his daughter. And in 1959, the grandfather was sleeping in the hallway at the door, the grandmother was on the couch at the table, and my mother and I were in a small bedroom (the door to the left). And only after the death of brother Vladimir, we got the whole house, and my grandfather had a separate room. But near the windows in the tubs were palm trees: date and fan. But many in our street lived even worse, and even poorer - by an order of magnitude.


Such certificates of honor were given to students during the Great Patriotic War.

Immediately after the seventh grade, my mother went to a pedagogical school, and then, in 1946, to a pedagogical institute, after which she worked first at school, and then she was invited to work at a university. The grandfather did not attach any "hairy hands" to this. Then, of course, it was also, but it was not very accepted. Moreover, the grandfather was in such a position that the slightest mistake could cost him and his whole family very dearly. But ... then the "elevator" apparently worked. With all the other things being equal, who would you hire to a higher education institution? Of course, a person ... with a higher level of culture, which ensures, above all, ... the position of parents. So that certain benefits of social status and then no one has canceled.

Well, as for my grandfather, his “elevator”, on the contrary, gradually carried him down. First, from the head of the school to the principal, then to the teacher of geography and labor, and then to retire, however, the republican one. But 52 of the year he gave pedagogical work, and it was strange for me, a boy, to observe how the workers who were leaving the factory, who was sitting on a bench near the gate, continually approached him and said: "But I studied with you."


This is how the school teachers of the Penza 47 school looked with their principal (center) in the 1959 year. Looking at this photo, I always think that I can only be glad that the hair has obviously not gone to my grandfather.

(To be continued)
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 25 July 2016 06: 14
    +18
    As a family story, it’s quite interesting to read, only the declared topic is absolutely not disclosed. request
    1. svp67
      svp67 25 July 2016 06: 37
      +4
      Quote: Vladimirets
      As a family story, it’s quite interesting to read, only the declared topic is absolutely not disclosed.

      So read at the very bottom, it clearly says:
      To be continued
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 25 July 2016 06: 39
        +6
        Quote: svp67
        To be continued

        I didn’t think that preludes are so long. smile
        1. svp67
          svp67 25 July 2016 07: 05
          +3
          Quote: Vladimirets
          I didn’t think that preludes are so long

          What doesn’t happen in life ... and this and that yes
    2. Lindon
      Lindon 25 July 2016 07: 08
      +3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      As a family story, it’s quite interesting to read, only the declared topic is absolutely not disclosed. request


      It’s like in school the theme of the essay is one, but the content is different. You read about the family squabbles of the Taratynovs.
  2. Leto
    Leto 25 July 2016 06: 56
    +2
    It is not clear at what time the author is going to draw analogies. Like waiting for the continuation.
    Regarding the author’s grandfather, the main parameters of his ascent on the social ladder (relative rise of course) were his education and undoubtedly membership in the Bolshevik party, although he most likely could have gone further than the headmaster, in the district committee and higher.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 25 July 2016 07: 45
      +9
      Quote: Leto
      It is not clear at what time the author is going to draw analogies. Like waiting for the continuation.

      Yes, there is no analogy here, the author just wants to say that even under the tsar people lived differently, and not all were poor workers and peasants.
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 25 July 2016 08: 16
        +1
        Can you find out the percentage of "creative and successful"?
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 25 July 2016 11: 05
          +1
          Quote: Darkness
          Can you find out the percentage of "creative and successful"?

          Yes 90% of those who rushed from the overpopulated central Russia to Siberia, in Semirechye. And in the cities most of the workers did not live in poverty. ZP of the worker began from 5 rubles, the cook received the same 5-6 rubles and the cow stood 5 rubles. My grandmother from a non-poor peasant family went to work in 14 years and received half a penny a day, which amounted to half a pound (200 gr.) Of caramel. hi
          1. Mahmut
            Mahmut 25 July 2016 19: 50
            -1
            Not from 5 rubles, of course. The auxiliary worker received 8-12 rubles. Experienced machine operator up to 90 rubles. per month. The average wage of a worker in the European part of Russia was 28 rubles / month. (the highest in the world). Over the Urals, salaries were higher. If in the USSR the limit regional coefficient was 2, then before the revolution it reached up to 5. True though ... often, especially in foreign companies like Lenaz Goldfil.
      2. Leto
        Leto 25 July 2016 08: 32
        +1
        Quote: Serg65
        Yes there is no analogy here

        Well, then the headline says it
        "Social elevators" in the past and now
  3. Serg65
    Serg65 25 July 2016 07: 04
    +5
    The most famous passengers of the social elevator ... M. Shchepkin, T. Shevchenko, A. Gurilev, S. Badayev, D. Bokarev and, of course, the blacksmith-oligarch A. Demidov!
    1. svp67
      svp67 25 July 2016 07: 09
      +9
      Quote: Serg65
      The most famous passengers of the social elevator ..
      At all times the fastest "elevators" are military and revolutionary
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 25 July 2016 07: 33
        +8
        Quote: svp67
        At all times the fastest "elevators" are military and revolutionary

        I agree with you, for example, Petrov Pavel Pavlovich from the Pskov peasants. He met the 1 world captain, in 17 there was already a lieutenant colonel, he graduated from Civil Major General. And here is the fate of another military man .. Stepan Osipovich Makarov in 1865 midshipman and only after 30 years vice-admiral.
        1. svp67
          svp67 25 July 2016 07: 45
          +7
          Quote: Serg65
          For example

          There are a lot of examples: Zhukov, Rokossovsky, Budyonny, Malinovsky - one of many.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 25 July 2016 07: 56
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            There are a lot of examples: Zhukov, Rokossovsky, Budyonny, Malinovsky - one of many.

            Namesake, here God himself ordered. How many royal officers were in the Red Army? You can count on the fingers, but commanders are needed.
            1. Darkness
              Darkness 25 July 2016 08: 18
              +9
              If memory serves, then the tsarist generals divided "in half", between the reds and whites.
            2. creak
              creak 25 July 2016 10: 26
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              There are a lot of examples: Zhukov, Rokossovsky, Budyonny, Malinovsky - one of many.

              Quote: Serg65
              Namesake, here God himself ordered. How many royal officers were in the Red Army?


              Especially when you consider that not one of the officers listed in the Russian Imperial Army was ...
              This is the question of when social elevators work best - during periods of great upheaval - war and revolution ...
            3. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 25 July 2016 12: 43
              +4
              Quote: Serg65
              Namesake, here God himself ordered. How many royal officers were in the Red Army? You can count on the fingers, but commanders are needed.

              Hehehehe ... just the tsarist officers in the Red Army at first was enough. The officer corps of the Empire / Republic was divided almost equally - even some of the generals (the most famous - Lieutenant General Bonch-Bruevich, Major General Lebedev, Samoilo, Rear Admirals Altfater, Berens, Nemitz) and General Staff officers took the side of the Reds. And quite often a situation developed when the red general fought against a white general.
              Particularly indicative is the Behrens family, in which two brothers found themselves on opposite sides of the front. "White" Mikhail Andreevich - and. about. Commander of the Naval Forces in the Pacific Ocean, later - the junior flagship of the 2nd detachment of the Black Sea squadron. And the already mentioned "red" Evgeny Andreevich is the commander of the Naval Forces of the Republic. The brothers met only after the war, in Bizerte:
              At the end of 1924, a Soviet technical commission arrived in Bizerte. It is headed by a red naval attache, Evgeny Andreyevich Berens, the same one who commanded the Naval Forces of Soviet Russia in 1919-1920. His sibling, Rear Admiral Mikhail Behrens, commands the squadron at Bizerte, already a draw, standing outside any jurisdiction, agonizing, but still existing.

              But GlavPUR did not particularly pedal this topic. But it would seem - a fertile theme: "even tsarist generals wholeheartedly took the revolution and sided with the people"But here's the trouble - after the Civil War, the Red Army began to get rid of the tsarist officers in the highest and middle command posts. Someone left on their own, someone was taken away where to (for example, in the case "Vesna"). So it was decided to put the topic of tsarist officers in the Red Army to a distant regiment.
              1. Igor V
                Igor V 25 July 2016 23: 37
                0
                In July 1924, K.A. Meretskov was appointed head of the mobile department of the Moscow Military District, and soon became assistant chief of staff. NSh A.M. Peremytov argued this appointment in front of the commander of the Moscow Military District K.E. Voroshilov: “Almost all the heads of departments are former generals; when he, Peremytov, a former officer, introduces an idea, they curl their lips contemptuously to sabotage it, they say, this upstart, who walked under our subordination, is now trying to show something like that there; but they look at Meretskov as a person nominated by the revolution, and calmly obey him. "
            4. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak 25 July 2016 21: 59
              +1
              Serg65 "Namesake, here God himself commanded. How many tsarist officers were in the Red Army? You can count on one hand, but commanders are needed."
              You are mistaken with the red tsarist officers was not an example anymore.))))
          2. zyablik.olga
            zyablik.olga 25 July 2016 11: 10
            +2
            Quote: svp67

            There are a lot of examples: Zhukov, Rokossovsky, Budyonny, Malinovsky - one of many.

            And also Tukhachevsky ... belay
  4. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 25 July 2016 08: 25
    +8
    I liked the story about the history of the family. Literate, "learned" people have always been respected in Russia. Among my ancestors there are also teachers.
    And on the topic of social elevators it is generally incomprehensible --- well, there were social elevators before. Now they probably are not. Probably why? Probably, according to historical time, it is too early to sum up the "results" of "perestroika" in this regard --- maybe there are still no statistics on this topic yet.
    In general, the fate of people who are on this elevator either sharply upward, or, on the contrary, sharply downward, are always interesting. Or repeatedly "thudy-syudy". And to myself pissimism — and I will stand on the floor with open doors.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 25 July 2016 08: 47
      +7
      Quote: Reptiloid
      And on the topic of social elevators it’s not clear at all --- well, there used to be social elevators. Now they probably aren’t

      Here, Dmitry, you correctly noticed, and I wanted to write about the same. There are no social elevators now - there is a pyramid. And what all these pyramids end with - we went through the example of MMM. Yes, by the way, there is also a pyramid on the dollar. What is it talking about?
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 25 July 2016 09: 11
        +2
        Not only is there a pyramid on the dollar, it is Egyptian, with smooth walls. This means that whoever wants to does not go up, but only those who know where the secret passage is located INSIDE the pyramid will rise!
        Alien people during the reign of Caliph Al Mamun, i.e. Much later than the last pharaohs, they entered the Khufu Pyramid, but didn’t find anything, and so that they would not be executed, they fabricated the find. But they still haven’t entered the Khafra Pyramid, as well as Menkaur.
        But this is a lyrical addition to the topic.
        And on the topic this way: if someone has risen higher in this elevator, he will try to break the whole mechanism, even with the house, otherwise he suddenly does not have enough mind to stay on this floor! What was in the restructuring.
  5. Basil50
    Basil50 25 July 2016 08: 51
    +3
    In the RUSSIAN EMPIRE people of course lived differently. The nobles and those who served them had both * social * elevators and a career opportunity, but most of those living in RUSSIA did not even have a ghostly opportunity for * social elevator *. It is useless to prove something with the figures of the ratios of the peasants and all other classes. By 1917, there were still many who were selling or buying, and if the former serfs were mostly * quiet *, because the selection was very tough and they got rid of * buoys * radically, up to hard labor, then children and grandchildren did not want to obey class restrictions . Not everyone wanted to wait for favor from the nobles or merchants to ensure prosperity.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 25 July 2016 09: 40
      +5
      I think that both before the Revolution, and in Soviet times, and now, the possibility of a social lift depends very much on where a person lives - in a city or in a village. Somewhere in the Leningrad Region, the light went out under Matvienko, but it was repaired --- just now! Or something else (close to the topic, but not only) --- came home one night, turned on the TV, and there about Some Shcherbinsky. "Who is, why I don't know?" They say: there were periods in Russia: pre-Petrine, Petrovsky, and Dnipropetrovsk. Here is also a social elevator: their own people are dragging their own !!! And strangers --- even to the 50th floor climb on foot! Someone will lag behind FOREVER !!! As for the Dnipropetrovsk period and those attracted from Ukraine, this topic is unknown and unexpected for me. And so, returning home either very late or very early, I watched many useful night TV programs.
      Sincerely. Until the evening.
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 25 July 2016 13: 38
      +1
      Quote: Vasily50
      In the RUSSIAN EMPIRE people of course lived differently. The nobles and those who served them had both * social * elevators and a career opportunity, but most of those living in RUSSIA did not even have a ghostly opportunity for * social elevator *

      Actually - this is identical to our time.
  6. Normal ok
    Normal ok 25 July 2016 10: 57
    +3
    I once talked with an American grandfather (he came to Odessa to look at the homeland of his ancestors), and so, his father (emigrated in 1906) left the lower strata of the then society, graduated from a "real school" (I saw a certificate - he brought from myself) - and got a job. In the states dumped after the first revolution, I realized that it would be worse further. I got up there normally, in any case I was able to give my son an education. In general, rumors about the "unwashed Russia" of the times of Nicholas-2 are greatly exaggerated.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 25 July 2016 11: 15
      0
      ... In general, rumors about "unwashed Russia" of the times of Nicholas-2 are greatly exaggerated. ,,
      Can you give statistics about literate, educated peasants, workers, bourgeois, noblemen?
      one can agree or not, but in tsarist times a clear gradation was established as to how many officials or military commanders will be from this or that class.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 25 July 2016 12: 57
        +1
        That's just demolished this Russia to the male reproductive organs. And do not blame the Germans or the British.
  7. saygon66
    saygon66 25 July 2016 11: 36
    +4
    - Such a wonderful term: "Social lift" - very accurately reflects the essence of the phenomenon ...
    - Even if he is present, everyone will not fit into the booth ..., and he carries his passengers both up and down.
    - And it can even break off - from overload! (There are a lot of people who want to go), and it gets stuck - then sit in the dark, you know how much, but at that time those who didn’t get into the elevator already climbed the stairs to the top !
    - And the most interesting thing is that the operation of the elevator does not depend at all on those smart people who go to it ...
  8. iouris
    iouris 25 July 2016 12: 05
    +4
    Social elevators are disabled.
  9. Aleksander
    Aleksander 25 July 2016 12: 42
    +5
    Thanks to the author, because interesting!
  10. EvilLion
    EvilLion 25 July 2016 12: 56
    -3
    Who cares about your great-grandfather? Here, every great-grandfather of the nobles, merchants, or something else there. In any society, even where 99% of hunger swells, at least 1% will be full. So the family traditions of the descendants of individual wealthy people are scientifically uninteresting from the word in general.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 25 July 2016 19: 22
      +4
      I am interested in this great-grandfather, as well as other great-grandfathers, grandfathers, parents. My grandmother had a very difficult life, the whole village was very poor, they had such land. Many left the village to work for different periods, who was farther, who was closer. But my grandfather --- another land, different conditions, they lived much better there at the same time. Ponds, lakes. They kept a lot of waterfowl. Also, probably in the cities --- everyone lived differently. I really like the stories of Sophia Milyutinskaya about another time, about peaceful life, not necessarily military. It will soon disappear or be replaced by mythology. Also here, on the site, I read with pleasure what the forum member MICHMAN says.
  11. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 25 July 2016 19: 06
    0
    It's interesting about the family. And about the percentage of "privileged" workers in Nikolaev Russia I would like to know more. The workers themselves were with gulkin (a word of three letters), and the privileged ones - the same gulkin squared. The bulk are peasants, illiterate. And about the workers' regiments who fought on the side of the whites - also, in more detail, please. And how they ended up.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 25 July 2016 20: 16
      +1
      What are you saying ?! What plants were in Petersburg, in Moscow !!. (I don’t know about other cities) .And shipbuilding, railway, minerals, textiles, weapons !! I didn’t set a minus.
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 25 July 2016 22: 29
      +1
      - Well, the illiteracy of prosperity is not a hindrance ... Great-grandfather (never a nobleman), in the Hungry Steppe, there was hoo ... And horses, and cows, and sheep ... There was even a lake - there was a fish. Before the Revolution ... of course! Only the "lift" worked strangely - he lowered his great-grandfather by -2 meters, but he raised his grandchildren ... and good!
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 26 July 2016 08: 56
        0
        And why was it called the hungry steppe? And why landless people from the black earth at the first opportunity fled from Siberia (where the fertile land really was, this is not a hungry steppe) back? This is after the Stolypin reform. The village was not illiteracy, but illiteracy. Did your great-grandfather pay everything to his laborers fairly (from each according to his ability, to each according to his work) and on time? And weren't the farm laborers sunk into the ground on 2 meters?
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 28 July 2016 19: 41
          0
          - The Batraks were not kept in Cossack families ... Yes, and there were souls in the 11 family — workers!
          - The name is a translation of the Uzbek word "mirzachul", desolate lands on the left bank of the Syr Darya, my ancestors came to those places with Skobelev. In the second half of the 1800s, an irrigation canal named after Emperor Nicholas I was dug on these lands, 7600 hectares of land were watered, of which 3380 hectares were for Russian settlers!
          - And, almost guessed it - they took away his great-grandfather by denunciation, during dispossession ...
  12. isker
    isker 25 July 2016 19: 36
    +2
    Unfortunately, in modern Russia "social elevators" have been replaced by "family clans": the ambassador's son will be the ambassador, the governor's son will be the governor, and so on. therefore, with the current "ylitaya" - May then, we will show ...
    until this "nursery" is replaced - Russia will not rise from its knees!
  13. ava09
    ava09 25 July 2016 20: 25
    +1
    (c) everything, as a rule, came down to the personal experiences of the debaters. (c)
    So the author of this opus complains about the comments of others, while simultaneously referring to the list of serious literature. Unfortunately, his "in-depth analysis" turned into a demonstration of his great-grandfather's passport book ... I even guess why that house was burned down on the very first day: (c) Up to 100 workers went under his supervision, and if someone brought them to work son, had to "bow with a quarter ticket." And it was not a bribe, but "respect" (c)
    I didn’t delve into the author’s attempts to raise his own significance, but even if the arson and bribery did not coincide in time, I don’t think I was mistaken, the character is a long state.
  14. Sergey Loskutov
    Sergey Loskutov 28 December 2016 18: 35
    0
    Good evening.
    "Social lift" - the path that many have passed or can follow. This is as a general rule. The article deals with a particular case. No comparison, no patterns, no statistics.
    For the above, the format of the announcement of the story "The History of the Taratynov Family" suggests itself.
  15. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 19 July 2017 17: 21
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    Again the Bolsheviks are to blame for the fact that today the elevators have risen.))))