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Ankara: among the rebels was a pilot who shot down the Russian Su-24

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After the resumption of the work of Turkish television, the Turkish authorities report on their vision of the details of the night-time coup attempt. At least, precisely such a term - “attempted coup d'etat” - is now actively exploited by Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s entourage.

Some time ago, the mayor of Ankara, Ibrahim Gokcek, said that about 3 thousand soldiers of the Turkish army were detained at this moment. According to the mayor of the Turkish capital, he is aware of the fact that among those who participated in the attempted coup d'état, there was a F-16 fighter pilot who struck the Russian Su-24 last fall.



It is noteworthy that the Turkish authorities decided to issue the information through this media through the media. Apparently, this is with an eye to the following demonstrative logic of Ankara: "he is an enemy of both Russia and Turkey."

Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım states that all detainees "will suffer severe and deserved punishment." It is reported by the news agency Anadolu. According to the head of the Turkish government, "members of the parallel group are already in the hands of justice." During a joint briefing with the head of the General Staff of Turkey Hulusi Akar Yıldırım, he stated:

July 15 became a celebration of democracy in our country. I remember with gratitude and gratitude the dead police officers, security forces and civilians who died during the coup, and express my condolences to their families. I express my gratitude to every representative of my people, citizens, who came to the square with flags in their hands and with steadfastness opposed this parallel to the state terrorist gang.


Earlier, Yildirim announced the liquidation of one of the generals of the Turkish army, who allegedly acted as one of the leaders of the headquarters of the coup. At the same time, the country's prime minister called the results of the night events "the second war for the independence of Turkey."
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  1. g1v2
    g1v2 16 July 2016 13: 35
    +33
    Well done, the deflection is counted. Erdik thinks in the right direction. bully
    1. hirurg
      hirurg 16 July 2016 13: 39
      +12
      Exactly the same thought flashed.
      1. meriem1
        meriem1 16 July 2016 13: 44
        +45
        Quote: hirurg
        Exactly the same thought flashed.

        They’ll tell you anything now! Convenient time! Nefig ears hang. Let them fly the flight log !!!! We know the price of their assurances.
        1. cost 75
          cost 75 16 July 2016 13: 50
          +5
          took part in the rebellion or not it doesn’t matter, the main thing is to be punished
          1. zennon
            zennon 16 July 2016 15: 03
            +66
            Quote: kos 75
            took part in the rebellion or not it doesn’t matter, the main thing is to be punished

            For what? No, I'm certainly in favor of punishing the man who shot down our bomber. But, in all honesty, he followed the order. If you were given a specific order, what would you do? You don't have to be like a three year old. a child who, crying, hits the leg of a chair over which he stumbled. I repeat, personally, he is extremely unpleasant, but he followed the order! The one who gave the order to shoot down is guilty! On Monday, September 1, 1983, Lieutenant Colonel Osipovich in a Su-15 shot down a Boeing 747 Flight 007 of Korean Air Lines near Moneron Island with two missiles. Here are his words “I was told to flunk, and I flunked!” 269 people died. But no one else of us will there be words of condemnation against him? He carried out the order! He died last year in Maykop ...
            1. VALERIK_097
              VALERIK_097 16 July 2016 15: 59
              +12
              Strange, but only 19 people (crew) and a bunch of luggage were found. T24 "The Riddle of the Black Prince" - I watched it today.
              1. alex74nur
                alex74nur 16 July 2016 16: 19
                +12
                Yes, this flight is generally a dark story. Why did I deviate from the course, why did I not respond to requests. Definitely a Yankesovl provocation. It was after this story that Reagan called the USSR an "evil empire"
                1. Himalayan
                  Himalayan 17 July 2016 00: 17
                  +2
                  Maybe he rebelled that he did not agree with the Order of "Erdogashi"
                  ---
                  Nothing to relax on their sherbet
              2. cniza
                cniza 16 July 2016 16: 20
                +8
                Quote: kos 75
                took part in the rebellion or not it doesn’t matter, the main thing is to be punished


                It is necessary to punish the one who gave the order and made a decision in the political leadership, the performer is certainly guilty, but he is a military man and the order is law for him.
              3. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 16 July 2016 18: 25
                +1
                In general, not a single one was found.
            2. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 16 July 2016 18: 24
              +6
              Quote: zennon
              269 people died.

              only not a single body was found (because there were no people on the plane).

              When the American ship "Vincennes" shot down an Iranian airbus over the neutral waters of the Persian Gulf, everyone was found.

              He was told to shoot down an air target that stubbornly flew 2000 km on the territory of the Soviet Union, answered on the radio that it had all the rules, was followed by a military reconnaissance plane parallel to the edge of territorial waters, and when trying to get close to it, it reduced its speed in order to shake Su -15 from the tail.

              Prior to this, another stubborn South Korean Boeing was shot down over the Kola Peninsula, there were people there but only a few died - it sat on the ice of the lake.
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 16 July 2016 18: 30
                +1
                The access door of the head of Kamchatka’s air defense, raised by alarm at night, was blocked, communication with the special communications center with Moskova, too, etc.
              2. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 16 July 2016 18: 34
                0
                With special cynicism, the Vincennes commander received the order that shot the ship’s air defense officer too. They could not confuse the airbus with a military aircraft, neither on the radar screen nor visually with 25km with binoculars (they are on ships the size of a telescope, and the weather was clear).
            3. Bramb
              Bramb 17 July 2016 04: 41
              +2
              And more than 50 boobies put pluses !!! (((((((
              Learn the materiel !!!
              There were NO people, only the crew! They rummaged half of the ocean - but people, passengers were not found. The crew was found, all. There are no people.
              100% spy plane disguised as a passenger. WITHOUT passengers. The crew knew what was going on. And Eid ** you put pluses !!!
              Change avatar. boo ** ate!
              1. Mr shrek
                Mr shrek 17 July 2016 11: 33
                +1
                Yes, the point was not whether people were or not. The fact that the pilot did not know about it at that moment, the order was received, the order was executed. He had no choice, that’s what it was about.
            4. Siberian
              Siberian 17 July 2016 18: 43
              +1
              This South Korean plane did not respond very "actively" and did not respond to attempts to land it, including "frame", well, it just did everything to be shot down. His choice (Godvest, who is more to blame there - the pilot himself, the entire crew as a whole, the one who played it or the one who gave the order-instructions how to behave. There is no point in arguing about that.
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 16 July 2016 15: 33
            +16
            Quote: kos 75
            took part in the rebellion or not it doesn’t matter, the main thing is to be punished

            Are you sure that this pilot took part in the coup there? And it seems to me that under the guise of this pilot they simply removed him out of sight so that the Russian side would not demand his extradition. With Erdogan will.
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 16 July 2016 18: 19
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              Are you sure that this pilot took part in the coup there? And it seems to me that under the guise of this pilot they simply removed him out of sight so that the Russian side would not demand his extradition. From Erdogan will become

              This moment will make it possible to punish the pilot, as the Russians demand, while he himself was outlawed. I think now with Erdogan real metamorphoses will occur, friends from the USA betrayed him.
          3. My doctor
            My doctor 16 July 2016 16: 12
            +4
            Quote: kos 75
            took part in the rebellion or not it doesn’t matter, the main thing is to be punished

            But are you sure that the pilot who took part in the rebellion shot down the plane. Maybe they hung a steam locomotive on it?
            1. Svidetel 45
              Svidetel 45 16 July 2016 23: 59
              +3
              And the most interesting thing is that three or four weeks ago I came across information on the Internet that a Turkish pilot who shot down our bomber died during a recent terrorist attack in Turkey, when a bus with Turkish servicemen was blown up near the building of the Moscow Region. Where is the "duck" ?
          4. just exp
            just exp 16 July 2016 17: 54
            +1
            not he should be punished, but the one who gave the order.
            the killer is put in jail, and his knife.
        2. Deniosf
          Deniosf 16 July 2016 14: 01
          +31
          It reminds how the army writes off all the shortage when a small barn burned down, and so much of it was stored in it ... so here ... and the pilot who shot down our plane and, I won’t be amazed, that among those who tried to make a coup, they will find a goat absolution, which allegedly actually shot our Oleg Peshkov.
          1. mad
            mad 16 July 2016 14: 19
            +20
            Ahah I remember in 2001 on one burned (the crew is alive!) BTR hosozhniki turns out to be transporting a field kitchen, 28 beds with mattresses, 170 sets of lumps and a couple more tons of small things wassat soldier
            1. Passer
              Passer 16 July 2016 20: 10
              +2
              Quote: mad
              Ahah I remember in 2001 on one burned (the crew is alive!) BTR hosozhniki turns out to be transporting a field kitchen, 28 beds with mattresses, 170 sets of lumps and a couple more tons of small things wassat soldier

              Well, that's fine. We have made a deputy on the rear of such acts for the burnt equipment - you will read it.
          2. oldseaman1957
            oldseaman1957 16 July 2016 15: 13
            +4
            just such a term - “attempted coup d'etat” - is actively used today by the environment of Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
            - That's all!!! Nevertheless, I am sorry for THEM, who did not finish Erdogan ...
          3. Monarchist
            Monarchist 16 July 2016 15: 19
            +5
            It is easy. They say that the main initiator of the destruction of Sushka was the dead general, etc.
          4. Berkut24
            Berkut24 16 July 2016 15: 43
            +10
            I think that the people of Erdogan made the noise themselves in order to solve all the problems that have arisen recently. Well, at the same time to identify those who are really ready to go against the government. Such forces as they showed us real coups are not done.
      2. Khariton
        Khariton 16 July 2016 13: 47
        -1
        Kerry is not in the know)))
      3. Teberii
        Teberii 16 July 2016 13: 48
        +2
        We’ll see how it all ends, with new army cleanings. It may lead to repetition. Yes, and for the country's reputation, a lot of damage has been done.
      4. Sid.74
        Sid.74 16 July 2016 13: 50
        +9
        The moratorium on the execution was promised to be removed in Turkey ... the pilot will be executed and the ends in the water .... and whether he will be a rebel or not will know from there later.

        Although it is believed that the American political wing of the neocons and arranged it all.
        The country harboring oppositionist Gülen is not a friend of Turkey, said Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım.

        Well, it painfully conveniently turns out ... straight to the disgrace ... with the same success it is possible to hang the Armenian Genocide on it.

        Greek media: Turkish frigate Yavuz is in the hands of coup supporters, they also hold the commander of the fleet

        Turkey asked Greece to return the eight soldiers who applied for political asylum in Greece


        The leader of the attempted coup in Turkey was the former commander in chief of the country's air force, Akin Ozturk.
        1. excomandante
          excomandante 16 July 2016 15: 44
          +4
          Mini-amendment - the rebel is executed, but whether it is the pilot or the other - how do we know)))
      5. atalef
        atalef 16 July 2016 13: 54
        +13
        According to the mayor of the Turkish capital, he knows that among the people who participated in the attempted coup was a F-16 fighter pilot who struck the Russian Su-24 last fall.

        And they said that he died in a terrorist attack - when a car drove in near a bus with pilots?
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 16 July 2016 14: 10
          +28
          Sasha, welcome! remind you:
          "Don’t trust the three: don’t trust a woman, don’t trust a Turk, don’t trust a non-drinker." (Peter I)
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 16 July 2016 14: 15
            +5
            Andrey Yuryevich hi (5) RU Today, 14: 10 ↑ New
            Sasha, welcome! remind you:
            "Don’t trust the three: don’t trust a woman, don’t trust a Turk, don’t trust a non-drinker." (Peter I)
            laughing good laughingthat's for sure
          2. atalef
            atalef 16 July 2016 14: 30
            +6
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            Sasha, welcome! remind you:
            "Don’t trust the three: don’t trust a woman, don’t trust a Turk, don’t trust a non-drinker." (Peter I)

            Hi Andrey - I haven’t posted for a long time - works above the roof
            And with Erdogan it is necessary to finish, it is a pity if it fails
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 16 July 2016 14: 35
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              And with Erdogan it is necessary to finish, it is a pity if it fails

              and we are so sorry ... crying drinks
              1. Sid.74
                Sid.74 16 July 2016 15: 12
                +39
                Quote: atalef
                And with Erdogan it is necessary to finish, it is a pity if it fails

                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                and we are so sorry ...crying

                No, well, what are you? He only began to grin his teeth at the USA and you ... blood-thirsty creeps. wassat
                Erdogan:Gühlen's Country Hidden cannot be a friend of Turkey.
                Erdogan:The rebels received orders from the United States.

                Oh, brilliant ...

                laughing

                laughing
                1. Andrey Yuryevich
                  Andrey Yuryevich 16 July 2016 17: 14
                  0
                  No, what are you doing?
                  and what are we? we don’t ... others, but don’t, and that’s nothing! zhezh zhezh! good
          3. igorka357
            igorka357 17 July 2016 15: 32
            0
            I don’t drink for eleven years at all, you so categorically call me a liar ..))?
        2. Khariton
          Khariton 16 July 2016 14: 10
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          According to the mayor of the Turkish capital, he knows that among the people who participated in the attempted coup was a F-16 fighter pilot who struck the Russian Su-24 last fall.

          And they said that he died in a terrorist attack - when a car drove in near a bus with pilots?

          Now comrades from Israel, they will finally explain everything to us .... We were waiting for you ..! bully
        3. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 16 July 2016 14: 13
          +5
          And by the way, what do Israel think about all this turmoil? What is the position of the authorities? request
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 16 July 2016 14: 23
            +9
            Quote: Paranoid50
            And by the way, what do Israel think about all this turmoil? What is the position of the authorities? request

            hidden pleasure ...
          2. atalef
            atalef 16 July 2016 14: 31
            +6
            Quote: Paranoid50
            And by the way, what do Israel think about all this turmoil? What is the position of the authorities? request

            Yes, in general, no, but I'm sure everyone wishes the victory of the Army.
            1. razmik72
              razmik72 16 July 2016 15: 16
              +4
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: Paranoid50
              And by the way, what do Israel think about all this turmoil? What is the position of the authorities? request

              Yes, in general, no, but I'm sure everyone wishes the victory of the Army.

              Erdogash seems to have already bent his army, but yesterday in Turkey there was quiet and calm, who would have thought that the army hated the Sultan so much !!
            2. unsinkable
              unsinkable 16 July 2016 15: 27
              +5
              Quote: atalef
              Yes, in general, no,

              Oh well, no way. Look at the comment by Andrei Yurievich. It said to the point. yes
            3. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 17 July 2016 06: 04
              0
              atalef (9) IL Yesterday, 14:31 p.m. ↑ New
              Quote: Paranoid50
              And by the way, what do Israel think about all this turmoil? What is the position of the authorities? request
              Yes, in general, no, but I'm sure everyone wishes the victory of the Army.


              such a room, a harmless coup. 3000 judges say the Turks have already kicked out.
              very suspiciously. in short, as Stanislavsky said: I do not believe!

              Erdogan is not the first to be the leader who organizes coups on himself and then heroically fights with them ...
      6. Blondy
        Blondy 16 July 2016 15: 21
        +7
        By the way, in Inosmi information for thought from the cunning Israeli analysts
        Turkey: Tanks lose to social networks
        Israeli media about an attempted coup in Turkey
        The military tried to act in accordance with the basic principles of the coups, but were defeated due to new technologies, writes Anchil Peper in Haaretz. The first rule of a military coup is the quick seizure of broadcasting centers, and Turkish coupists followed this rule. Immediately after their speech in Ankara, they broke into the broadcasting center of the state television company and forced journalists to broadcast their message about the arrest of the Erdogan government. The president at that moment was in a resort in Marmaris. And then the rebels miscalculated, because they could not completely deprive him of his connection. Boarding a plane before returning to Istanbul, the Turkish president called on citizens to take to the streets, occupy the main squares and expel the military from airports. Soon, crowds of Erdogan supporters appeared on the streets of Istanbul and other cities, as well as troops and security forces that remained loyal to the government. “Without a doubt, Erdogan’s appeal, transmitted through social networks, as well as through other new technological means, played a role in suppressing the rebellion. Ironically, the Turkish president, who sharply criticized the Internet and social networks during anti-government demonstrations in 2013 and threatened to block access to them, was forced to turn to the same means, having lost contact with law enforcement agencies ”(http://inosmi.ru /overview/20160716/237219635.html)
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 16 July 2016 16: 44
          +2
          The president at that moment was in a resort in Marmaris. ,,
          yes it was reported that they were supposed to either capture him or finish him, but something did not grow together between them.
      7. captain
        captain 16 July 2016 16: 45
        +6
        It seems to me that Turkey was carefully led to a civil war. Who will win it is unknown, but I think that the United States is not so easy to support Iraqi and Syrian Kurds. I think that the guys from Washington, Turkey will be cut off in the territory and create a new state of Kurdistan. Kurds will be very grateful to the States.
      8. Pereira
        Pereira 16 July 2016 19: 39
        -3
        And who was whistling on the site that he was killed during the bombing of a bus with Turkish pilots? I remember how people threw bonnets up and rejoiced noisily.
        Lied? Or is it now we are fed rotten meat?
    2. Nick
      Nick 16 July 2016 13: 47
      +5
      Quote: g1v2
      Well done, the deflection is counted. Erdik thinks in the right direction. bully

      Not without Erdick this rebellion happened. IMHO ... bully
      1. Monos
        Monos 16 July 2016 14: 03
        +30
        Quote: Nick
        Not without Erdick this rebellion happened. IMHO ...


        Generally clowning!
        What the hell did they have to fire at the deserted Turkish parliament from tanks ?! At night?!!
        Why did rebel helicopters fire at government buildings - in particular, the headquarters of the national intelligence service and the office of the Turksat satellite system company? Such buildings are not fired upon, but captured. A bunch of rebels did not dare to storm the reconnaissance fortress, so they fired at least from a helicopter.
        In general, they write that there were only formidable revolutionaries ... 500 people! Incomplete battalion. The Presidential Palace was trying to occupy ... 13 people! Thirteen! Presidential palace!!

        In short - inciting and provocation. And the organizer is the one who has the most buns from this.
        1. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 16 July 2016 14: 10
          +19
          Honestly, not a coup, but some kind of fuss with weapons. Pure provocation.
          And even the pilot was dragged.
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 16 July 2016 14: 23
            +20
            Quote: Reserve officer
            Honestly, not a coup, but some kind of fuss with weapons. Pure provocation
            "Fuss with weapons" was in our 91st. And in 93, despite the large number of victims, the aviation did not bomb Moscow and the tanks on the streets did not openly press people either. One analogy - now Erdogan today, like our "unforgettable" EBN in October 93rd. Full carte blanche for all his actions received - "father of the nation", yeah. For better or for worse - we'll see.
            Quote: Reserve officer
            And even the pilot was dragged.
            But it’s rather good, regardless of the real or imaginary fault of the pilot. Erdogashka-cockroach wants to make friends with Russia again, he’s even ready to bring his pilot’s head on a platter.
            By the way, I wonder if there are imbeciles ready to rest in Turechchin now? Although the office peasantry is so desperate smile
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 16 July 2016 14: 32
          +6
          Quote: Monos
          The presidential palace was trying to occupy ... 13 people! Thirteen! Presidential palace!!

          yeah ... Amin’s palace, only from our side took almost 800 special forces + Afghans.
        3. Monarchist
          Monarchist 16 July 2016 15: 44
          +3
          I swear to the circus! If they have such clowns among the officers then ... In my opinion, even a little-minded smart schoolgirl will be able to understand what is more important. Insanity 13 !! people are trying to capture the president.
        4. alexey water
          alexey water 16 July 2016 15: 46
          +6
          The misfire went to the military. Miscalculated. Lost time. Every minute is important here. The leadership failed to arrest in the first hour. Erdogan hid. And then everything, time is gone. The personnel did not act rigidly. It was evident that hesitated. The youth came out, shouted at the army, the army and surrendered. And it all started seriously, Erdogan even managed to seek political asylum in Germany.
          But now there will be muddied water, and it will be very difficult to figure out who rebelled, what he wanted.
        5. Pereira
          Pereira 16 July 2016 23: 34
          -1
          How deserted? According to the de-debtor, the people said that during the shelling the deputies were hiding in the basement.
          You are not going to claim that on TV we are poured D.E.R.M.O. on our heads? Are you against Putin?
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 16 July 2016 13: 48
      +9
      Turkish military helicopter landed in Greece. Eight people seek refuge.
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 16 July 2016 15: 45
        +5
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        Turkish military helicopter landed in Greece. Eight people seek refuge.

        ===
        framed the poor fellow, where to go. there is no unity in the military environment, hence the unprepared / frustrated operation, perhaps the good work of the special services loyal to Erdogan. and everything went into the standings of the Sultan
    4. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 16 July 2016 14: 01
      +8
      Quote: g1v2
      Well done, the deflection is counted. Erdik thinks in the right direction.

      Well, yes, fussed, but not to the end. We are waiting for reports that a gang of Turkoman took part, led by Celik.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 16 July 2016 14: 12
        +8
        Turkish army leaves Iraq.... https: //www.almasdarnews.com/article/turkish-army-leaves-iraq-russian/
    5. 1976AG
      1976AG 16 July 2016 14: 05
      +15
      And where does the pilot who shot down our Su? You might think he shot him down on his own initiative. There was an order, so he shot down. As they say, everyone could be in his place. Now, if there was one among the rebels who killed our pilot after bailout, then yes, the enemy is common.
    6. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 July 2016 14: 08
      +10
      Ankara: among the rebels was a pilot who shot down the Russian Su-24
      a cunning turk ... well, you have to dodge before Putin like that! here's a shit! rzhunimagu!
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 16 July 2016 15: 02
        +9
        Nobody needs a fucking pilot. This is Erdogan’s message on GDP: those who shot down our plane tried to organize a coup. And this is most likely true. Someone urgently needs to organize a massacre between our countries. In the fall, GDP was not led.
    7. Mifcada
      Mifcada 16 July 2016 14: 10
      +5
      The Turkish pilot who shot down the SU-24 is dedicated to:
      "Three times despicable Tkretsky reptiles !!!
      Dare anyone threaten death?
      No, you will not wait for more mercy.
      You have only one court: how to shoot dogs !!! "
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 16 July 2016 14: 54
        +6
        Quote: Mifkada
        The Turkish pilot who shot down the SU-24 is dedicated to:
        "Three times despicable Tkretsky reptiles !!!
        Dare anyone threaten death?

        Have you been plagiarizing for a long time?
        Probably recently "Fear" of Mr. Rybakov was pleased to reread? It's taken from there:
        “People’s Artist of the Republic M. Klimov:“ Three days ago, in Izvestia, a poem by a 10th grade student of Kadiyev’s school No. 1 Eva Nerubina was published. "I, an old man, People's Artist of the Republic, fully subscribe to these words expressed by the mouth of a teenager."
        And here is the poem of Eva Nerubina, a poem that went around all the newspapers:
        Thrice despicable, vile bastards
        They dared to threaten death.
        No! You will not wait for more mercy.
        You have one judgment - like dogs,
        shoot!"
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 16 July 2016 15: 29
          +2
          Quote: V.ic
          Have you been plagiarizing for a long time?

          just a free exposition ... plagiarism-an attempt to stole, to pass off as one's own. TS-did not say that he himself composed.
        2. Mifcada
          Mifcada 16 July 2016 15: 36
          +1
          V.ic, I'm glad you read Rybakov. I read this for the last time in the 88th year, but I remember it forever. With slight changes, this poem perfectly matches the level of thinking of many members of the forum)))
          1. V.ic
            V.ic 16 July 2016 21: 12
            +2
            Quote: Mifkada
            This poem perfectly matches the level of thinking of many members of the forum)

            This is you in the sense that comrades go to bed with an ax under the pillow, and waking up looking for someone to "bang"? And, tired of drinking vodka, hugging a bear and dancing to a balalaika, dream of joining a firing squad?
            I personally believe that on this resource there are more adequate people than grazing on the "echo of Moscow" or "rain". We also have a certain number of "spirits", but those by the "shoulder straps" are easy to distinguish.
    8. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 16 July 2016 14: 21
      +1
      Quote: g1v2
      Well done, the deflection is counted. Erdik thinks in the right direction. bully

      Yes, let him think, Allah will help him, cunningly .. well, this one will find him elementary.
      But I think there is a case of scapegoat (some kind of pilot, they will press the eggs, you will not start singing), there is a reason (I almost said holiday), but I do not believe it, nonsense. I'm surprised that I didn't pass all the "gray wolves". Cool idea, we have lists of them, I will believe it.
      Ultimatum. Drain, then repented.
    9. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 16 July 2016 14: 24
      +7
      The frigate Yavuz with the commander of the fleet was captured in Turkey.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 16 July 2016 14: 34
        0
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        The frigate Yavuz with the commander of the fleet was captured in Turkey.

        who is captured
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 16 July 2016 14: 51
          +3
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          who is captured

          rebels
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 16 July 2016 18: 57
            0
            Quote: Lord of the Sith
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            who is captured

            rebels

            clear...
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 16 July 2016 15: 36
        +4
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Frigate Yavuz captured in Turkey

        Yes, and this news coincided with the announcement of the opening of straits for tankers.
    10. Sevastiec
      Sevastiec 16 July 2016 14: 28
      +5
      Who will believe him? Dumb excuse. Why then he said all the way that they shot down correctly, because he violated the air border. And why then no one was immediately punished and no one spoke about any conspirators? Or is it normal that without orders military planes raise and shoot down aliens? Let him go to sell this product to his grandmother.
    11. sgazeev
      sgazeev 16 July 2016 14: 48
      +1
      Quote: g1v2
      Some time ago, the mayor of Ankara, Ibrahim Gokcek, said that about 3 thousand soldiers of the Turkish army were detained at this moment. According to the mayor of the Turkish capital, he is aware of the fact that among those who participated in the attempted coup d'état, there was a F-16 fighter pilot who struck the Russian Su-24 last fall.

      Some time ago, the mayor of Ankara, Ibrahim Gokcek, said that about 3 thousand soldiers of the Turkish army were detained at this moment. According to the mayor of the Turkish capital, he is aware of the fact that among those who participated in the attempted coup d'état, there was a F-16 fighter pilot who struck the Russian Su-24 last fall.
      Ears of striped ears showed up. Erdogad and Dawood knew about it in the corner, and the mattress held the briefing. We are waiting for the denouement or soak as a witness-performer. It was not for nothing that we fled to NATO.
    12. razmik72
      razmik72 16 July 2016 15: 11
      0
      Quote: g1v2
      Well done, the deflection is counted. Erdik thinks in the right direction. bully

      Events in Turkey are taking on an increasingly interesting scenario. The rebels captured the frigate and held the fleet commander hostage. Who would have thought about this yesterday?
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 16 July 2016 15: 24
        +4
        Can Decl Erdogan help? We have an ICC and a rocket boat nearby. REFINED TO TURKES ONE FRIGATE UNDER THE PROPOSAL OF HELP TO THE LEGAL GOVERNMENT? wink
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 16 July 2016 15: 53
          +4
          Quote: g1v2
          Can Decl Erdogan help? We have an ICC and a rocket boat nearby. REFINED TO TURKES ONE FRIGATE UNDER THE PROPOSAL OF HELP TO THE LEGAL GOVERNMENT? wink
          No, well ... not that I didn’t like this idea at all ... but purely formally this is a NATO ship with a whole admiral of the Turkish fleet ... then you can prove that Russia is not an aggressive country ... wassat
    13. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 16 July 2016 15: 42
      +3
      Has this pilot already resurrected? More than a month ago, it was alleged that it was destroyed in a bus bombing. Similarly, with a certain Chelik. Shortly after the defeat of the Su-24, there was a video with a crowd of "spirits", including Chelik. And later he already appeared in various messages. Something does not fit in these characters, someone is just lying.
    14. papas-57
      papas-57 16 July 2016 16: 36
      +1
      `` Ankara: among the rebels was a pilot who shot down a Russian Su-24. '' Fuck a pilot, he's only a performer. We need someone who gave the order.
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    16. Berkut24
      Berkut24 16 July 2016 17: 49
      +2
      Well, which way is another question. Then I came across Kommersant:
      "The Turkish Prosecutor's Office decided to detain 140 members of the Constitutional Court and 48 members of the Supreme Court, accusing them of involvement in a military coup in the country," RIA Novosti reported, citing local media. Ten members of the Supreme Council of Judges and Prosecutors of Turkey have already been detained.
      With this approach, the Sultan will soon judge himself and chop heads.
    17. Nosgoth
      Nosgoth 16 July 2016 17: 50
      +4
      Sorry, but you are not a distant person. The F-16 pilot, without an order from above and target designation, could not expect in the right place and time the plane, which he did not even see on his turned off radars.

      Only a stupid person will consider this performance as an oncoming move. This is just a convenient opportunity to blame everything on one loser ... who will not even live up to a conversation with Russian investigators, so as not to give out all the details of the operation and who gave orders.

      And the hamsters "devour" and go to rest in Turkey ... fuuu, disgusting as much.
    18. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 16 July 2016 20: 31
      +1
      Well, now the reward will find a "hero" .. What do they have for that? Berezovsky's scarf?
    19. proud
      proud 16 July 2016 22: 20
      +2
      Without the command of Perdogan, he would not have shot him down, he is just a warrior who carried out the order! If Turkey considers him an enemy of Russia and his country, then what prevented him from being removed earlier? Perhaps I will be bombarded with the whole world, but purely humanly I feel sorry for this guy, but time will put everything in its place!
    20. midivan
      midivan 16 July 2016 22: 21
      +2
      Quote: g1v2
      Well done, the deflection is counted. Erdik thinks in the right direction. bully

      Do you think so? But the deflection is full of holes, I personally rely more on the behavior of Erdogash after this incident and, as they say, the train left. PS and these sayings are the best suited for him smile
    21. Rus2012
      Rus2012 16 July 2016 22: 30
      +1
      Quote: g1v2
      Well done, the deflection is counted. Erdik thinks in the right direction.

      and meanwhile -
      To understand how Turkey’s domestic and foreign policy will change, you need to understand the background of the conflict.
      Erdogan’s apologies to Russia, whether they were, or not, caused extreme disapproval over the ocean. To all this was added the establishment of informal contacts with Syria on the stabilization of the region after the collapse of ISIS. By the way, ISIS also sent messages about the upcoming liquidation of the project.
      These and other facts run counter to US interests in further chaos in the region and in Russia's long-term "bogging down" in the swamp of the Middle East conflict. Attention should be paid to the US wait-and-see attitude. It is not at all necessary that the United States directly organized a coup d'etat - in Turkey, and without them, it is full of serious problems. Overseas could simply promise (see Kerry's words above) to recognize "continuity" (legitimacy) if successful.

      A message has already arrived from Erdogan’s camp that the Russian SU-24 was shot down with the participation of the conspirators. This fits perfectly with the logic that the Turkish president was framed, and he was telling the truth that he did not set the task of shooting down a Russian plane. In turn, such a position means even closer rapprochement between Russia and Turkey in the very near future.
      Between Turkey and the United States, on the contrary, aggravations have already begun. Kerry is already demanding evidence that Gelen, a US resident, is the organizer of the coup. In fact, we are talking about accusing the US itself of supporting the conspirators.
      In this regard, we can expect that in The Western media will actively promote the topic of "staging a coup."


      I draw your attention to the fact that even on our portal (Eye of the Planet), trolls tried to launch this "version". Be careful. On the face of all forms of hysteria in connection with this. So the times are interesting, since even trolls are crushed. Even the bookmarks that were apparently stored up by our "friends" in advance and specially registered for this, which were in a state of expectation, even crawled out.

      --------------------
      Alex Zes


      Turkish authorities block American airbase Incirlik
      and there, among other things, approx. 90 nuclear bombs!
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 16 July 2016 23: 16
        0
        Quote: Rus2012
        Turkish authorities block American airbase Incirlik

        Read more -
        The country's defense minister, Fikri Yshyk, announced the adoption of "some measures" in relation to the Incirlik air base. The minister refused to provide additional information, saying that the measures were taken in accordance with "military considerations."

        Earlier it was reported that the Turkish authorities blocked the air base and de-energized it. The airspace above Incirlik was also closed for flights, departures from the air base were prohibited.

        “According to the US consulate in Turkey, local authorities blocked traffic from and to the Incirlik air force base. The power supply at the base was cut off, and the consulate urges US citizens to avoid visiting the air base until it returns to normal operation, ”CNN Turk reported with reference to a message from the US diplomatic mission.

        Incirlik is one of six NATO bases located on the European continent where tactical nuclear weapons are stored.
    22. Maxom75
      Maxom75 17 July 2016 08: 08
      0
      Yes, you do not believe them. Even if this pilot shot down, what prevented him from arresting and convicting him after landing at the airdrome, and Erdogan crawled to Putin and repent for his pilot. Erdogan on the contrary, like a donkey, rested and said that he would never apologize, so everything was with his knowledge. Now everything is simply attributed to the pilot. Erdogan generally resembles a little boy. Who broke the glass with a ball on the third floor? Not me, but a dog. Fu already disgusting. ((
  2. Fregate
    Fregate 16 July 2016 13: 37
    +6
    Well, why not attribute it to the rebels? Although maybe this is true. As indeed, the fact that when he shot down our plane, he served the current government.
    1. Pushkar77
      Pushkar77 16 July 2016 13: 46
      +14
      The pilot-pilot, the president personally gives the order to conduct such operations, because the consequence may be a conflict with a neighbor possessing nuclear weapons. So far, Erdogan is getting away with it, I hope that for now.
      1. Fregate
        Fregate 16 July 2016 13: 56
        +7
        Quote: Pushkar77
        The pilot is a performer, the president personally gives the order for such operations,

        Right. Therefore, the meaning of this news is not clear. What do we care about the fact that this pilot, as a rebel, will be imprisoned. The main culprit in the death of our pilot and aircraft is Erdogan.
        1. Pushkar77
          Pushkar77 16 July 2016 14: 27
          +2
          Most likely, just an attempt to get rid of the problem, which Erdogashi now has like a bone in his throat. He cannot punish, since the order came down from the very top, that is, it came from him, but he also cannot leave everything as it is (the Moor did his job, but he knew too much), a very "opportunity" turned up and voila , the pilot suddenly turns into a rebel. And then you look at him with a bad heart, or he will shoot himself three times.
          1. Monarchist
            Monarchist 16 July 2016 15: 50
            +2
            Yeah with two pistols at once, to be more precise
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 16 July 2016 13: 37
    +1
    Sensations will continue as the investigation. And it will be difficult to determine where the truth is and where the lie is. Time is the best judge.
    1. your1970
      your1970 16 July 2016 13: 49
      +3
      something there are too many civilians in the photo wandering around
  4. K-50
    K-50 16 July 2016 13: 39
    +11
    It is noteworthy that the Turkish authorities decided to issue the information through this media through the media. Apparently, this is with an eye to the following demonstrative logic of Ankara: "he is an enemy of both Russia and Turkey."

    The whole coup is kind of operetta. "Actors" and "Victims" are assigned, the roles have been played and you can spend them.
    Maybe because they don't talk about their "production"? what
    1. knn54
      knn54 16 July 2016 13: 46
      +7
      - K-50: The whole coup is some kind of operetta.
      MB and small, but "rating-winning"!
  5. marshes
    marshes 16 July 2016 13: 40
    +4
    IMHO, it seems that even the early ones assumed that behind the downed SU-24 there was a group of officers who did not agree with the incumbent president and his party, although I didn’t whitewash this assailant, he didn’t follow him later on.
    The "ears" are clearly sticking out.
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 16 July 2016 16: 23
      +2
      Quote: marshes
      IMHO, it seems yes and the early ones suggested that for downed SU-24 was a group of officers who disagreed with the incumbent president and his partyth, although I don’t whitewash this goer, it wasn’t right then that he later led.
      The "ears" are clearly sticking out.

      ==
      maybe in a letter to Erdogan this was reported, since Putin so sharply forgave
      1. marshes
        marshes 16 July 2016 16: 33
        +2
        Quote: Victorio
        maybe in a letter to Erdogan this was reported, since Putin so sharply forgave

        Perhaps you read my comment below about the role of the Army in Turkish politics. Historically, this happened.
        And so in Turkey, in military schools, they give a rather gorgeous education, if only by land. And the discipline is quite tough. The Turk-Germanic education is like that.
  6. weksha50
    weksha50 16 July 2016 13: 44
    +16
    "Ankara’s mayor ... stated that ... he knew that among the persons participating in the coup attempt there was also an F-16 fighter pilot who attacked the Russian Su-24 last fall"...

    To be honest, a strange statement, a strange selective awareness and a strange selective "leak" of information ...

    In the comments, someone is trying to tie this pilot to "against Russia" or to "against the regime" ...
    Against the Erdogan regime - I agree ...
    And what does it have to do with Russia? The pilot carried out the order ... He served, according to his oath ...
    He is not to blame for our downed plane ... He is a pawn, a mechanism ... And now he was squeezed into the ranks of the rebels neither to the village, nor to the city ...

    Again they are trying to play some kind of perverse political card ...
    1. your1970
      your1970 16 July 2016 13: 51
      +2
      weksha50
      "He served in accordance with his oath ..." - you will not believe almost literally so everyone in Nuremberg said: "The Fuehrer ordered and I according to the oath ...."
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 16 July 2016 15: 19
        +7
        Quote: your1970
        "He served in accordance with his oath ..." - you will not believe almost literally so everyone in Nuremberg said: "The Fuehrer ordered and I according to the oath ...."


        Ahem ... in Nuremberg specifically tried for war crimesand not for fighting ...

        First, understand what war crimes are ... And then try to blame the F-16 pilot, fulfilled the order, in him...
        Here is the one who killed the brutally downed-captive pilot-pilot - this is already a war criminal ...

        There, above, there is a comment about our pilot, who at one time shot down a Korean Boeing on a Su-15 ... About 300 passengers died ... Are you a Su-15 pilot, too, will be classified as criminals ???

        PS With such a distortion of information and facts, you will still accuse me not only of sympathy for this pilot, but also of his defense ...
        1. your1970
          your1970 17 July 2016 11: 12
          0
          ".. In Nuremberg they specifically tried war crimes, and not for hostilities ... "- Speer and Funk apparently rode on tanks and crushed civilians, Goebbels flew on an airplane, Goering went to infantry attacks ??? The question was about crimes against HUMANITY, and not only about war crimes ( which were part of the charge - but only part)
          Charge
          Nazi Party Plans:
          The use of Nazi control for aggression against foreign states.
          Aggressive actions against Austria and Czechoslovakia.
          Attack on Poland.
          Aggressive war against the whole world (1939-1945).
          The German invasion of the USSR in violation of the nonaggression pact of August 23, 1939.
          Cooperation with Italy and Japan and the aggressive war against the United States (November 1936 - December 1941).
          Crimes against the world:
          “For a number of years until May 8, 1945, all the accused and various other persons participated in the planning, preparation, unleashing and waging of aggressive wars, which were also wars in violation of international treaties, agreements and obligations.”
          War crimes:
          Murders and ill-treatment of civilians in the occupied territories and on the high seas.
          The withdrawal of the civilian population of the occupied territories into slavery and for other purposes.
          Murders and ill-treatment of prisoners of war and military personnel of countries with which Germany was at war, as well as with persons who were in the voyage on the high seas.
          The aimless destruction of large and small cities and villages, devastation, not justified by military necessity.
          Germanization of the occupied territories.
          Crimes against humanity:
          The defendants pursued a policy of persecution, repression and extermination of opponents of the Nazi government. The Nazis threw people into jail without trial, subjected them to harassment, humiliation, enslavement, torture, and killed them.
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 17 July 2016 13: 02
            0
            Quote: your1970
            There was a question about crimes against MANKIND — and not just about war crimes (which were part of the charge, but only part)


            Well, what is our polemic leading to ???

            After all, the question was whether to consider the F-16 pilot who shot down our plane a criminal to be tried ...

            I expressed my opinion - no, not subject ... He received an order ...

            But the one who gave this order to defeat the plane of a state with which he was not at war - here he is a specific criminal in this case ... hi
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 16 July 2016 13: 59
      0
      Quote: weksha50
      The pilot carried out the order ... He served, according to his oath ...

      Napoleon is a brilliant leader. Metric system, Right-hand traffic, civil code - given to the British to eat. Give us to eat this pilot. The bourgeoisie does not comply with a criminal order as BE is supported and enshrined in Human Rights
    3. alexey water
      alexey water 16 July 2016 16: 57
      0
      Yes exactly. The smoke is allowed. Trying to confuse the situation. It seems that they themselves are now scouring to whom of the foreign partners this was at hand. And most importantly, who supports the (hidden) rebels. Probably, everyone was at hand, in principle. Personally, my opinion.
  7. velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 16 July 2016 13: 46
    +4
    Vague thoughts about the ex-prime minister Davutoglu torment. Something was not heard about him and there were no official comments from him regarding the events that had occurred. It seems that he was involved in the organization of what happened.
  8. Echo
    Echo 16 July 2016 13: 46
    +5
    Why put the cons of the article itself?
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 16 July 2016 14: 05
      +10
      Quote: Echo
      Why put the cons of the article itself?

      It is rather emotional. A kind of disagreement with the information. Not in the sense that there was no such information, but in the sense that what was served by the Turks smacks of falsity and fraud ...
  9. prior
    prior 16 July 2016 13: 46
    +10
    Well then!
    The whole coup was muddied to identify and catch the pilot who shot down the SU-24.
    Cool peppers, this Tayyip Erdogan.
  10. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 16 July 2016 13: 48
    +6
    It must be assumed that this pilot was at the slaughter of Erdogan, and if he didn’t even deal with the affairs of the coup, he would go to the block.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 16 July 2016 16: 55
      0
      It must be assumed that this pilot was killed by Erdogan,
      kept just in case. with the EU it didn’t work out, now you can make friends with Russia, here the pilot came in handy.
  11. sober
    sober 16 July 2016 13: 55
    +2
    Quote: Nick
    Not without Erdick this rebellion happened. IMHO ...


    I completely agree !!!! so Choi then everything is so folding and everyone gave up !!!! right now they will beat half, and they will put others !!!!!
  12. Lekxnumx
    Lekxnumx 16 July 2016 13: 56
    +13
    Momento sea is the finest hour of the idiot who KILLED Turkey (Erdogan) “But if the Russian plane was really shot down by supporters of the“ parallel state ”, then why didn’t Erdogan immediately say so? Why didn’t he create an investigation commission? On the contrary, Erdogan said that the Turkish Air Force acted correctly. And the former Prime Minister of Turkey Ahmet Davtuoglu said that he personally ordered the destruction of the Russian bomber. And now the Turkish authorities claim that the supporters of F. Gulen shot down the Russian plane. That is, Ankara once again apologizes to Moscow, saying that our internal enemies shot down your plane. In my opinion, with such steps, Erdogan seeks to kill two birds with one stone: to establish full control over the army and even closer to Moscow. But Erdogan will no longer be able to work as calmly as before. Now he will be forced to look around often, "said one political scientist from Baku. Nothing to add, nothing to kill. And the Russians are so quick to take noodles to their ears just tin. There is no more Turkish army, lynching soldiers, decapitating them, the people killed the army. Yes, they were guilty, but they shot for the people BUT NOT ALL SOLDIERS AND OFFICERS. Many simply laid down their arms when they saw a crowd of people, not wanting to shoot. And in return they got this, and those officers who had nothing to do with lynching their non-traveling comrades. Will they defend this country? They are already afraid to go to the street in uniform. Last night was the night of the death of the Turkish Army and by the way DEMOCRACY .3000 taken into custody in Turkey, everyone who is not needed will be handed out to Erdogan, professionals will leave the army, all kinds of staff clerks will come. I’m disappointed in Turkey, this country will never be again, nor a regional power is any other.
  13. Ilja2016
    Ilja2016 16 July 2016 13: 56
    +12
    "Ankara: among the rebels was a pilot who shot down a Russian Su-24"
    Well yes! And also among the rebels were the real killers of President Kennedy.
    This circus!
  14. iouris
    iouris 16 July 2016 13: 56
    +8
    A pilot is a pilot. He does not make political decisions.
  15. Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 16 July 2016 13: 56
    +6
    Oh well. Then this pilot will come up somewhere else. Like, I don’t know what’s going on in my country! Pylydurok.
  16. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 16 July 2016 14: 01
    +3
    Now, if the Germans had given a political prostitute political asylum, we would have this news - that the pilot who shot down our "drying" rebel would never have learned. I will not be surprised if it turns out that the shaitan who shot our pilot also "fought a little"! fool
  17. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 16 July 2016 14: 04
    +3
    The pilot himself raised the plane and decided to shoot down? They think we believe it.
  18. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 July 2016 14: 05
    +4
    In fact, the coup was serious. Rather, an attempt. There are many victims, I think, really many times more than stated. After such a defeat, the army loses combat effectiveness for a long time. Why did they fly the pilot? Whether he decided to shoot or not, he carried out the order. Turks are such Turks ...
    Now Erdogan will "push through" the death penalty and, on the sly, deal with the unwanted.
    1. marshes
      marshes 16 July 2016 14: 16
      +6
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Now Erdogan will "push through" the death penalty and, on the sly, deal with the unwanted.

      He will become the Führer, enviously. They are not interchangeable in language. Yes, and the one that recently, Atambayev, is leading the course towards autocracy.
    2. dr.star75
      dr.star75 16 July 2016 15: 56
      +8
      When the Turks traded in stolen oil, there was no coup. When the Turks supplied the militants, there was no coup. When the Turks shot down our plane, there was no coup. But when the Turks decided to make friends with us, a coup happened. Coincidence? I don’t think so.
      1. Beaver
        Beaver 16 July 2016 21: 12
        0
        Quote: dr.star75
        But when the Turks decided to make friends with us, a coup happened. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

        Judging by how
        the military claims to have taken power to restore constitutional order, freedoms and respect for human rights, and the authorities systematically violated the law and was implicated in corruption
        is not a coincidence at all. It hurts too familiar "song". recourse
  19. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 16 July 2016 14: 05
    +3
    Let him be shot and the one who gave him this order.
    1. faridg7
      faridg7 16 July 2016 17: 04
      +1
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Let him be shot and the one who gave him this order.
      Do you seriously think that Erdogan and the leadership of the Nata will shoot each other?
    2. Siberian
      Siberian 17 July 2016 18: 37
      +1
      Yes, and Erdogan at the same time, as responsible for everything that is happening in his country.
  20. Starik72
    Starik72 16 July 2016 14: 14
    +8
    The next BLOODY PERFORMANCE directed by someone, most likely the Erdogan clan, to completely untie their hands.
  21. AlexTires
    AlexTires 16 July 2016 14: 17
    +5
    It is not entirely clear what the organizers expected, not having the confidence that most of the army would follow them. As far as can be understood from the broadcasts, far from all the military supported them. But the stakes from such cases are extremely high and here, as they say, measure seven times.
    In addition, the rebels have completely lost in the information field. The general impression of an adventurous, ill-conceived sortie. Now Erdogan will be peddling. About secular Turkey, apparently, will soon have to forget.
  22. Indifferent
    Indifferent 16 July 2016 14: 18
    +8
    News slurry and splatters, and rushing. Every day, a new series. Yesterday, a truck defeated the crowd, and today the crowd stopped the tanks. And all at night, all in resort towns, to the chirp of cicadas, with artists, with directors, with pre-made flags sprouted from the CNN ground and Obama's deep concern.
    Puppet theater of Karabas Barabas.
  23. red joni
    red joni 16 July 2016 14: 22
    .
    the more blood the stronger the power of Erdogan was tested in the USSR by I.V. Stalin.
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires 16 July 2016 14: 32
      +8
      Quote: red joni
      the more blood the stronger the power

      Even before it was tested in Europe ... and more than once ... and not two ... and on a scale worse than 37 ... so there is no need to throw it on a fan ...
  24. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 16 July 2016 14: 25
    +3
    Quote: Starik72
    The next BLOODY PERFORMANCE directed by someone, most likely the Erdogan clan, to completely untie their hands.


    Or by Erdogan himself, with the goal of untying his hands, or by his American senior comrades, with the goal of hinting at Erdogan’s wrong behavior. Like, you can’t draw any conclusions, the next coup may be successful, and CNN may behave differently ..
  25. berezin1987
    berezin1987 16 July 2016 14: 25
    +2
    The main thing is that Russia does not have a parallel structure in the highest echelons of power. If our su-24 was shot down not by order of Erdogan himself, then why didn’t he immediately apologize and punish the guilty? The incident would be quickly exhausted. Why did he six months tell all the world media first about the legality of the pilot’s actions, and then talked about the mistake? Too many questions...
  26. red joni
    red joni 16 July 2016 14: 25
    -1
    Well, of course, now the others involved in the horrors and nightmares that happened in modern Russia will be dragged along with this pilot just to improve relations with Russia.
  27. Belarus
    Belarus 16 July 2016 14: 40
    +2
    Escaped coup participants sought political asylum in Greece from a Turkish helicopter


    Turkish security forces who landed in a helicopter in Greece, sought political asylum, according to Greek public television ERT.

    The black hawk type helicopter belongs to the Turkish police. According to preliminary data, he gave a distress signal.

    According to TV, according to reports from the scene of the incident, the arrivals were involved in the coup, they sought political asylum in Greece.

    According to updated data, there were seven military on board. The ranks of the arrived Turkish military are unknown, as they removed the insignia from their uniforms.

    Case transferred to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Greece.

    The channel also reports that, according to its information, Turkey asked Greece immediately return the eight militarywho participated in the coup attempt and asked Athens for political asylum.

    This was stated by the Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu.

    Well, now let’s see if they will give out or not. And by the way, this will be essentially the litmus test that will show the true attitude of Greece towards Turkey.
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires 16 July 2016 14: 55
      +1
      The Greeks may not want to give them away, but they are hostages of the situation, and they are also in NATO ... so there is nothing to hope for the defectors ...
  28. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 16 July 2016 14: 43
    +16
    By the way.
    The order to intercept and destroy was not given by Erdogan, but by the former PM Davtuoglu.
    He himself admitted this.
    Where he is and what he does is not known. Why I resigned is not clear. Version: Davtuoglu is closely connected with the states. If the Turkish army (especially the Air Force) has an opposition that wants a change of power, then why was Davtuoglu not in collusion with the Armed Forces against Erdogan? Understanding that the Turks will have to answer for the downed plane and answer until the military conflict Davtuoglu gave the order for the operation. Employees prompted, there was information about US Avax in this place. Perhaps the squadron commander was among the conspirators.
    The plane was shot down, a conflict occurred between Davtuoglu and Erdogan. Why did Davtuoglu so abruptly leave his post? But Erdogan decided not to stand dirty linen in public. Thought to blow. Not carried, the economy received a sharp roll. Maybe the rebels were counting on this. Unrest will begin, the people will sweep Erdogan. But it turned out differently. Erdogan, realizing the situation, apologized. Realizing that the plan had failed, a rebellion broke out.
    The rebels did not count on such a scenario. We thought GDP would drag out the matter, there would be additional conditions, etc. But GDP, surprisingly many, on the contrary accelerated the normalization of relations. Therefore, the rebels did not have enough people, the plan was whipped up. Yes, and the people supported Erdogan.
    I think our BP helped the cause. Davtuoglu (the man who always smiles) was held in high esteem in the EU. Likely he and the US were preparing him for the presidency .... After the coup ...
    Well, actually anyway #PutinVinovat .....
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 16 July 2016 16: 01
      +1
      Major, you have a pretty interesting analysis.
    2. xant
      xant 16 July 2016 16: 08
      +3
      . Erdogan, realizing the situation, apologized. Realizing that : but from this place I see differently. The Sultan understood everything (the United States and the Jews had other plans for his fate) correctly, therefore, he worked ahead of schedule and planned a coup. As a result: the Sultan on horseback in the Air Force who set him up with our pilot (let the earth rest in peace for him) will be cleaned up and throughout the army now, too, not one bastard will not blather. as a general conclusion, he strengthened the power (the States and Israel nervously smoke) I think it was not without our specialists.
      ps-honestly, Erdogan surprised our specialists unambiguously; it goes out of the way that PUTIN and Erdogan quickly went closer to each other as if they were waiting for an occasion.
      1. SCHWERIN
        SCHWERIN 16 July 2016 20: 36
        +2
        Remember, GDP abruptly converged. Libers yelled, they say substitutes people who will go to rest. But the charters were delayed. Let's go only kamikaze.
        But that is their question, adults. My wife is nostalgic for the Crimea. I say forget it. Dill can start an offensive at any time. Team and they went. Panic on p / o. Do not survive simply.
        It can be seen that the GDP had information, and the Turkish special services too. Worked on the lead.
        If the information that Erdogan applied for asylum, and Merkel refused was not a fake, then Erdogan is ours. It is necessary to withdraw the Turks from NATO. Our straits!
        If what I suppose is at least partially true, then I applaud the GDP, its analysts, GRU SPECIALISTS and BP !!!!
    3. sherp2015
      sherp2015 16 July 2016 20: 15
      0
      Quote: SCHWERIN
      Davtuoglu (the man who always smiles) was held in high esteem in the EU. Likely he and the US were preparing him for the presidency .... After the coup ...

      Dawood oglu is still the same ...
  29. sounddoc
    sounddoc 16 July 2016 15: 01
    +3
    Here the nedosultan will unfold! Everything will fall into the batch - sour, green and cold. Erdogashka has an excellent chance to solve most of her problems at once (and, at the same time, create a thuja heap of new ones, Recep is a level 80 specialist in this business).
    All together, as in this fun song)))))))
  30. marshes
    marshes 16 July 2016 15: 06
    +1
    We felt that it’s not a fig to do this year in Turkey, although it’s already been 4 times before. Thanks to my spouse, I don’t need to go there at all. It is better to go to one country a year, there is no interest in going to the same place.
    I almost bought into the enticement and prices, otherwise the local rest because of the weather "covered with a copper basin".
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  32. sgazeev
    sgazeev 16 July 2016 15: 08
    +6
    Recep Erdogan's severed head

    Source: http://politikus.ru/articles/80646-otrezannaya-golova-redzhepa-erdogana.html
    Politikus.ru
    Do you now understand why Erdogan made peace with Putin? Because only Russians do not abandon their own! So, Turkey has become the next "color" link after Ukraine. Erdogan, like Yanukovych at one time, did not have the diplomatic talent to figure out whose side should be taken. Three conclusions follow from the military coup and the behavior of the Turkish president. First: Recep Tayypovich played out with NATO and ISIS. Second: he suspected the impending coup. Third: the resorts broke off again.

    Source: http://politikus.ru/articles/80646-otrezannaya-golova-redzhepa-erdogana.html
    Politikus.ru
  33. sogdianec
    sogdianec 16 July 2016 15: 08
    +1
    Quote: AlexTires
    It is not entirely clear what the organizers expected, not having the confidence that most of the army would follow them. As far as can be understood from the broadcasts, far from all the military supported them. But the stakes from such cases are extremely high and here, as they say, measure seven times.
    In addition, the rebels have completely lost in the information field. The general impression of an adventurous, ill-conceived sortie. Now Erdogan will be peddling. About secular Turkey, apparently, will soon have to forget.

    Perhaps the rebellion was forced, I would say - provoked. The Turkish Security Service came close to the leaders of the conspiracy and they went all-in. The hope that the army will join the rebels in the process. Otherwise, it is difficult to explain the use of aviation in the city, the rebels used all their few resources.
  34. Viktor77
    Viktor77 16 July 2016 15: 10
    +1
    And what about the fact that this pilot was there? The pilot was a forced person, he just fulfilled the order. But whose order is not said.
  35. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 16 July 2016 15: 12
    +2
    Was the pilot just "lucky"? And if he was not among the rebels, he would live happily ever after? All this is strange.
  36. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 16 July 2016 15: 17
    +1
    You’ll shovel the messages of info agencies and understand that this is a statement because you cannot blame ** the rebels ** for knowing the fundamentals of the coup d'etat laid down by Vladimir Ilyich (mail, telegraph, telephone, banks, train stations) and the experience of your own generals (I don’t mention these about Don Augusto Pinochet) * rebels ** then, according to the most conservative estimates, no more than 4-5 thousand people in different cities and little by little in all branches of the army it turns out that ** we blinded him from what we could find ** It seems like a provocation with a reason for the Big Sweep in power
    1. marshes
      marshes 16 July 2016 15: 38
      +1
      Quote: AIR-ZNAK
      You’ll shovel the messages of info agencies and understand that this is a statement because you cannot blame ** the rebels ** for knowing the fundamentals of the coup d'etat laid down by Vladimir Ilyich (mail, telegraph, telephone, banks, train stations) and the experience of your own generals (I don’t mention these about Don Augusto Pinochet) * rebels ** then, according to the most conservative estimates, no more than 4-5 thousand people in different cities and little by little in all branches of the army it turns out that ** we blinded him from what we could find ** It seems like a provocation with a reason for the Big Sweep in power

      In general, I have already forgotten what a military coup was, an attempt. There, the military is the guarantee of the democratic and civil development of Turkey, bequeathed to Ataturk.
      In our realities, the countries of the West and the closest neighbor do not agree with the official policies of the official Ankara, and there the Justice and Development Party, the Justice and Development Party was founded on August 14, 2001 by former members of the moderate conservative wing of the Islamist virtue party banned in Turkey. Islamists. They and Muslim brothers in Egypt brought and so on ... And the founder is
      Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
      So the military does not agree with this, by the way, during the reign of Erdogan, a number of military ranks were arrested.
  37. Million
    Million 16 July 2016 15: 31
    +1
    Wasn't this pilot flying a plane with a Polish delegation on board?
  38. Anton Yu
    Anton Yu 16 July 2016 15: 33
    +1
    So the pilot was arrested or did he die?
    Recently, interesting news was published in the media and social networks: it turns out that during the February 17 terrorist attack in Ankara, the majority of those killed were Turkish Air Force pilots. A powerful explosion thundered at the headquarters of the armed forces of Turkey. 26 military and two civilians were killed, more than 60 people were injured. According to official figures, the Islamists involved in the Islamic State (IG) group were involved in the attack. President Erdogan deliberately hides this fact that 22 of the 28 dead are military pilots.

    Turkish bloggers voiced the assumption that the attack against Turkish pilots could be revenge for the death of the Russian pilot Oleg Peshkov. They do not exclude that among the dead Turkish pilots were those who attacked the Russian bomber. Later posts with such hints were removed.
  39. Anton Yu
    Anton Yu 16 July 2016 15: 35
    0
    Earlier, there was a publication in Bosnian online publications about the identity of the alleged pilot of the Turkish F-16 fighter, who shot down the Russian Su-24
  40. Dark
    Dark 16 July 2016 15: 38
    0
    They killed this pilot, now he is alive and still a participant in the riot !? Something the press was lying!
  41. razved
    razved 16 July 2016 15: 46
    +1
    It is interesting why the mayor of the city reports this, and not law enforcement officers or special services. Well, it's over, as it is on time - hop and killed the pilot, and even the rebel. Now it is Erdogan "well, not one bit of fault" in the destruction of our Su-24 and the death of our military.
  42. taseka
    taseka 16 July 2016 15: 51
    0
    And for me- "I went to the Khutor, Mr. Erdogan !!!"
  43. Monarchist
    Monarchist 16 July 2016 16: 10
    0
    It is interesting that the mayor of the capital made a contribution to the rebellion. If some minister or police official said this
  44. t118an
    t118an 16 July 2016 16: 17
    0
    as the saying goes ... "With the same bacon and for their mustals" ... And I think, and why did He think of asking for forgiveness from Russia ?: The earth was burning under our feet! ...
    And now we will take out our "traitors" from there by special flights of the Ministry of Emergency Situations ... but we warned you ... That we do not need the Turkish coast ..
  45. geologist
    geologist 16 July 2016 16: 31
    -1
    Overslept again, as well as Ukraine! It seems the championship for futbol has already passed ... It was necessary to take Istanbul and return Constantinople to the bosom of 3 Rome!
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 16 July 2016 17: 05
      0
      It was necessary to take Istanbul and return Constantinople to the bosom of 3 Rome! ,,
      Dmitry, at the top there are additional squares, use it laughing
  46. Leeder
    Leeder 16 July 2016 17: 11
    +3
    It is strange that not the pilot draws attention.
    I have no complaints about the Turkish pilot who shot down our plane. But claims to politicians who gave such an order, there are, and considerable.
    The pilot himself is not to blame, he executed the order, and worked correctly, did not bomb civilians, did not attack a civilian plane, did not shoot parachutes. I do not wish him harm, but whoever shot down the descending pilots must answer.
  47. mamont5
    mamont5 16 July 2016 17: 48
    0
    Quote: g1v2
    Well done, the deflection is counted. Erdik thinks in the right direction. bully


    No, this is not a deflection, but a feint. Once ... and there is no one to punish, the rebels are to blame, and they ... God himself commanded.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 16 July 2016 18: 13
      0
      And the Turks who gave the order to shoot at the pilot and marines as well as the shooters - was there too?

      was not like the "rebels" F-16.
  48. Simpsonian
    Simpsonian 16 July 2016 18: 11
    0
    What awkward excuses ...
  49. Mykl
    Mykl 16 July 2016 18: 21
    +1
    But a couple of days ago, the entire Internet was teeming with articles about the terrible death of that pilot. No, well, whom to believe ???
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 16 July 2016 19: 45
      0
      Erdogan is a sly fox. Most likely his men caught some pilot. And they tell him, tell everyone that it was you who shot down the Russian plane, and not that the sekim-head. By the way. and who gave you the order. They follow the chain to the chief shaitan, who led the coup. And then it turns out that this villain, among other things, also ordered to shoot down a Russian plane. After that, Erdogan calls Putin and says "Oh, Volodya, the emerald of my heart ..." Then everything is clear.
  50. demotivator
    demotivator 16 July 2016 19: 41
    0
    "According to the mayor of the Turkish capital, he is aware that among the persons who participated in the coup attempt, there was also an F-16 fighter pilot that struck a Russian Su-24 in the fall of last year."
    This is not even funny. Neither the name of the pilot who shot down our Sushka, nor his rank, nor the Kremlin’s demands to convict and extradite the pilot, didn’t sound like a crisis for the whole time of our crisis with the Turks. Strange, isn't it? And here it is very opportune and the rebellion happened. And now, about happiness, a solution has been found, the villain has been defeated and destroyed, ends up in the water, you can again reboot into friendship, love, new Natasha, leather jackets, tomatoes and jambs of Antalya charters. But here again, for some reason, neither the name nor the rank of the pilot sounds. It is possible that over time they will show us some poor fellow, and offer to consider him the very pilot.