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Gerasimov: the shortcomings of the Russian technology, identified during the operation in Syria, must be eliminated before the end of the year

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The chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, Valery Gerasimov, yesterday ordered that the shortcomings of the Russian armaments identified during the counter-terrorist operation in Syria be rectified, reports RIA News.


Gerasimov: the shortcomings of the Russian technology, identified during the operation in Syria, must be eliminated before the end of the year


What specific shortcomings were identified, not officially reported. The army general only noted that they relate to "some modern models of military equipment and weapons."

“By the end of the year, it is necessary to take measures to remedy the situation”,
indicated Gerasimov at a meeting within the framework of the Unified Day of Acceptance of Military Products.

Recall, in May, presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov said that "the main problem identified in the Russian Armed Forces during the operation in Syria was the work of the technology, this experience is being analyzed to further improve it."
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RIA News. Grigory Sysoev
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  1. Volodin Dmitry
    Volodin Dmitry 16 July 2016 10: 40
    +20
    Well, that’s all right! That's what the military commanders began to rage at our factory.
    1. hirurg
      hirurg 16 July 2016 10: 45
      +16
      Well, how could it be otherwise - flaws cost the lives of our guys.
      1. SSR
        SSR 16 July 2016 10: 52
        +5
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Perhaps, helicopters will go south.

        The same Nurs ..... Military prime officers lute properly.
      2. DMB_95
        DMB_95 16 July 2016 11: 05
        +17
        War is the best examiner for military equipment. And thank God that this "exam" is not taking place on our land.
      3. Pereira
        Pereira 17 July 2016 10: 56
        -7
        This is the confirmation that our Israeli colleagues wrote to us - not all of our missiles hit the target and not all just reached the target.
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 16 July 2016 13: 24
      0
      Quote: Volodin Dmitry
      Well, that’s all right! That's what the military commanders began to rage at our factory.

      Well, they work out the soldering. And I suspect design flaws, and this has nothing to do with military representatives.
    3. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 16 July 2016 20: 04
      +2
      Quote: Volodin Dmitry
      That's what the military commanders began to rage at our factory.
      Yes, it is not necessary to rage, but to carry out their work as if to go to battle on the adopted technique itself!
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 July 2016 10: 47
    +11
    Perhaps they will go through helicopters. Then armored vehicles. In short, what to guess. Gradually, they can tell something. The experience of fighting is an invaluable experience. Paid for the most expensive - blood.
    1. vv3
      vv3 16 July 2016 13: 58
      +8
      Of course, there is nothing to guess! Let's start with the fact that Gerasimov was the chairman of the Civil Code of Acceptance of the ESU TZ "Constellation" combat information system. This system is used to interact with intelligence assets, including UAVs and weapons. The information system should issue target coordinates and monitor the situation in real time. This system, developed under the presidential program since 2000, is something without which modern war cannot be waged. According to the plan, by 2020, the army should be equipped with such systems. Such a system is very much needed in Syria, but it does not and will not be even in our army. The system does not work, the program has failed. Ask the godfather of the system, who tested it several years ago. The system is overloaded with material support tasks, created on an outdated element base and is inoperative. One of the reasons for the collapse of the program is the lack of a balanced concept of such a system. That is, the military themselves do not know what they want. Stupid copying of enemy systems, games of gigantomania and shortsightedness, to put it mildly, of our command. Simply put, our generals have no idea about the methods of waging modern war ... This is what Syria has shown. And no matter how much we improve individual models of military equipment, without their integration into a single information combat system, nothing will change. This most pressing topic is hushed up, not noticed, and the military pretend that everything is fine. In my concept, we are at the "broken trough", this is a catastrophe for which we pay and will pay with the lives of our soldiers.
      1. Bramb
        Bramb 16 July 2016 14: 16
        0
        Quote: vv3
        This is the most topical issue is hushed up, is not noticed, and the military pretend that everything is fine

        Do you, of course, want to know the details? What exactly, what components, blocks and so on. they don’t work, and which ones work normally and need improvement, etc.? Right?
        There was already an article from the administration, an appeal to such subjects as you. Perhaps you missed it, I will voice it especially for you briefly: "Fuck you !!!
        1. vv3
          vv3 16 July 2016 14: 52
          +1
          Simply, open the search engine, forget-ESU TK, read a few articles from the open press, think if you can, and then with you, you don’t pull, you don’t have to be rude, you can talk ....
          1. Bramb
            Bramb 16 July 2016 15: 02
            +1
            And sho? I’ll become a specialist! And I can speak on equal terms with specialists on the topic, right?
            Have you read from google?
            I, for example, am a specialist in my field, and there is no one even around here. And when they appear (they do, yes), we see each other half a mile away. And we know for sure that we will not recommend to someone "to read in Google and talk to us". For it takes years to learn.
            And here: a complex system, and you can communicate on an equal footing after "googling". Interesting ...
            1. vv3
              vv3 16 July 2016 15: 11
              +1
              A lot of thoughts on this system, from simple to complex ... up to work in Voronezh ....
              1. Bramb
                Bramb 16 July 2016 15: 21
                0
                So think! And they began to rest ...
                Phoned ... I was recommended by your colleagues (if colleagues) to stay away from you.
                1. vv3
                  vv3 16 July 2016 15: 54
                  +5
                  Something very spiteful, but what about the matter, or is it not important for you ... Wait and see. What colleagues, so for the word? ... I have only, so far, a comment on the merits and immediately such a non-perception ... Of course, shouting "Hurray" is more profitable and without consequences, but we don't change our views and we don't use cheap tricks ... And I'm not alone. Many support me ...
                2. vv3
                  vv3 16 July 2016 16: 16
                  +2
                  When, I restored the position of the PPR in Vietnam, without permission and not quite in my specialty, they only scared me, but I did .. and the missiles were being transported from all over the country. And others received medals and thanks, but the case won! If there is access to Voronezh, drop your coordinates by mail ... Thank you ...
      2. vv3
        vv3 16 July 2016 14: 22
        +2
        I want to note that your humble servant, of course, did not serve in the General Staff, but for a long time he was in command positions in the regimental level of the Air Force, he was familiar with the division level and was recommended for serving in the army level, even before the collapse of the Union. GI VVS checks. So read and remember while you have such an opportunity. And then empty phrases on the forum, at the level of short interjections, are simply tired ....
        1. Bramb
          Bramb 16 July 2016 14: 24
          -3
          Your boss’s first name and title?
        2. Bramb
          Bramb 16 July 2016 14: 42
          -3
          Once again: what is the name and patronymic of your boss and his rank!
          I DO NOT ask for the name, years of service, garrison and position. Just simple things. Why did it suddenly become so difficult for you to do?
          1. vv3
            vv3 16 July 2016 14: 46
            0
            Strogov was commanded by the 14th VA of Lviv.
          2. vv3
            vv3 16 July 2016 14: 59
            +3
            He and I flew to Moscow at the 1st All-Army Meeting of Officers, he is as a commander, I as an elected delegate from 14 VA. He had his own Carcass .... I personally knew my grandfather. Strogov, 14 VA, Lviv.
  3. atamankko
    atamankko 16 July 2016 10: 59
    +2
    A very correct decision, combat experience is priceless.
  4. Mercenary
    Mercenary 16 July 2016 11: 03
    +2
    Better to correct the errors and errors now, and God forbid during the fighting.!
  5. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 16 July 2016 11: 04
    +4
    It would be strange if there were no comments, but everything is fine. They listened to the troops, generalized, and adjusted what was needed, from documentation to production, and the terms have not yet been extended.
  6. vfqjh
    vfqjh 16 July 2016 11: 07
    +3
    That's right, you need to learn from mistakes. Well, military operations are the best for checking weapons, this is not a greenhouse training ground, here are real combat missions.
    1. Homo
      Homo 16 July 2016 11: 22
      +3
      Quote: vfqjh
      That's right, you need to learn from mistakes.

      And where does the error? These are the shortcomings identified in real, combat conditions. No way without it.
      1. vv3
        vv3 16 July 2016 19: 18
        +3
        In Syria, there are more shortcomings in the organization of hostilities, or rather in the inability to organize them at a modern level. Our UAVs still do not give out the coordinates of targets in real time. Reconnaissance assets, including UAVs, do not provide for the creation of a permanent information field, at least in the main zones, and it is not at all the characteristics of reconnaissance assets. Each one individually has very good characteristics, but they do not give information to the general information system. And here the question is not even in the coordination of characteristics for joint work, although here there is also a field for work ... The point is in the absence of such systems as such. One of the variants of such an ESU TZ system is not operational, although it has been developed for 16 years. Once such a system is known, there is no real-time target designation for aircraft, for helicopters, ACS, MLRS. And helicopters and airplanes have a channel for working with ESU TZ, and in as a source of information and as a recipient? And on the other hand, why, if the system does not work? .. And if it appears, but there is no consistency, there are no standards. All this is called an open architecture, but there is none. And the lag is visible for decades. No and will not be. And we will not eliminate the shortcomings! ... Instead, we use spotters of fire on the battlefield with a walkie-talkie, or the coordinates of stationary objects obtained earlier, or we patrol blindly and dug ,,,, Now the depth of the crisis is clear that this wise an intelligent person can eliminate? ... Where is contactless war, where is information technology? ... Where is the T50 integrated? ... There. And without this it can be called the 5th generation aircraft? ... Do they have some drawbacks? ... It's time to "sound the alarm" ...
  7. fzr1000
    fzr1000 16 July 2016 11: 34
    -2
    Gerasimov is a serious man. Not like some.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 16 July 2016 13: 12
      -2
      Well, at least two will come ... ka noted.
      1. Bramb
        Bramb 16 July 2016 14: 10
        -1
        I will not correct it with a special.
        Interesting: how many of them come here?))
        1. vv3
          vv3 16 July 2016 15: 23
          +3
          KVVAIU-1982, adjuncture KVVAIU-1994, enough?
  8. Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 16 July 2016 11: 53
    +1
    We checked and brought out the flaws of the equipment during operations in the south and this is good, but, God forbid, check and identify somewhere in the north.
  9. iouris
    iouris 16 July 2016 13: 22
    0
    Gerasimov said - Gerasimov did. Now everyone is on vacation, let's see what happens after the election.
  10. Bramb
    Bramb 16 July 2016 14: 08
    +1
    This is our way!
    Tests conducted. Deficiencies revealed: -Remove before the end of the year. - Will be done!
    What exactly. which ones is none of your business. Who should - they know.
    And pee * eat - do not toss bags.
    1. vv3
      vv3 16 July 2016 15: 14
      0
      [hide] [/ hide] ... do not hang tanks ... not the Air Force is immediately visible. Simpler, shortly cut hair ...
  11. Alex_Tug
    Alex_Tug 16 July 2016 15: 03
    +1
    Quote: vv3
    Simply put, our generals have no idea about how to conduct a modern war ...

    If you fight in the office, then it always will be so.
    1. vv3
      vv3 16 July 2016 15: 32
      +2
      I didn’t guess, the heart of the modern army is an information center with combat control operators behind the monitors, with areas of responsibility with UAV attached, information from other reconnaissance equipment .... and attached weapon means ...