Commander of the Order of Victory

I am a categorical opponent of the memorial plaque in St. Petersburg to the Finnish marshal Mannerheim, but I am surprised by the epithets that our authors award to our authorities. They write about the corruption, and about spitting in the soul of the Soviet people, and about insulting the memory of our dead citizens. At the same time, they usually refer to the fact that under the Soviet regime the glorification of Hitler's ally would have been simply impossible.

I would like to remind our communists and their fans that we should more often look in the mirror. I want to remind our comrades the Communists of the great commanders who were awarded the Order of Victory. These are Zhukov, Vasilevsky, Stalin, Konev, Rokossovsky, Govorov, Malinovsky, Tolbukhin. Tymoshenko, Antonov, Meretskov. In 1945, 5 foreigners became holders of the order: Marshal Josip Broz Tito (Yugoslavia), Marshal of Poland Michal Rola-Zimersky, Army General Dwight David Eisenhower (USA), Field Marshal Bernard Low Montgomery (United Kingdom), King of Romania Mihai I.

If the first four foreigners, as a former citizen of the Soviet Union, do not cause great doubts, then the king of Romania, who was an ally of Hitler, is incomprehensible to me in this list. How is it different from Mannerheim?

22 June 1941 on the Soviet-Romanian border was concentrated in the first echelon around 325 000 Romanian soldiers and officers. On June 30, about 200 thousand troops were concentrated on the Soviet-Finnish border in the 1 echelon. Romania and Finland practically came out of the war at the same time, both subsequently participating in battles against the Germans. Why did you give the Order of Victory to the King of Romania? The documents say: for the courageous act of decisively turning the policy of Romania towards a break with Hitler Germany and an alliance with the United Nations at the time when the defeat of Germany was not yet clearly defined.

The USSR truce concluded September 12 with Romania, September 19 with Finland. Was it not spitting into the soul of our people? Or the activities of the leadership of the USSR is not subject to criticism? Why no one demands to return the Order of Victory? Where did the "mind, honor and conscience of our age" look?

I repeat, I am against the establishment of the Mannerheim memorial plaque, but I want to ask the communists: what about the order in court?

Comments

[Pereira]

In principle, the question is posed correctly.
But there is a difference between Mannerheim and Mihai.
Romanians at the end of the war really fought with the Germans, while losing about 80 000 people, i.e. one third of the total.
And Mannerheim only surrendered. The disarmament of the Lapland corps is a trifle.

[vlad66]

I am a categorical opponent of the memorial plaque in St. Petersburg to the Finnish Marshal Mannerheim

And I am a categorical opponent, so dear author, go to the Piskarevskoye cemetery in St. Petersburg and you yourself will understand everything.

I would like to remind our communists and their fans that we need to look in the mirror more often

But Mr. author is never a Communist, nor a fair Russian, nor an LDPRovets, and God forbid, he is not a cross-country member. A PARTY-FREE Russian citizen of Russia and I look in the mirror, WHAT I wish for YOU.

But what about the order to the court will be an appeal?

No matter how anyone related to Joseph Vissarionovich, Stalin knew what he was doing, and how much he didn’t give out such awards in vain to the left and right, unlike you who called all opponents the installation of this board at once by the Communists and their accomplices, thank you for not calling them Nazis or fascists.

[Tusv]

Quote: vlad66

No matter how anyone related to Joseph Vissarionovich, Stalin knew what he was doing, and how much in vain did he give such awards to the left and right

I absolutely agree.
At least 100 thousand of our hizni. So Micah deserved it, but Mannerheim didn’t

[Aleksander]

Quote: Tusv

So Micah deserved it, but Mannerheim didn’t

The author simply DOES NOT KNOW the story, otherwise he would not ask stupid questions: in Romania fascist dictatorship of conductor Antonescu-he fought, negotiated with Hitler, repressed, Mihai was a purely nominal figure.
Nevertheless, it was he who found the strength and courage in himself to arrest dictator, and it was mortally dangerous, Antonescu had huge military forces and state security.
After that, he was handed over by Mihai to the Soviet government, and Romania declared war on Hitler.
So the merits of Mihai are invaluable in accelerating the defeat of Germany and saving the thousands of lives of our soldiers.

Of the 600 000 thousand dead Romanians during the 2 World 200 000 died in the fight against the Germans

[Igor V]

If the author had read "General Staff during the War" by S. Shtemenko, part 2, he would not have asked stupid questions, everything is detailed and accessible there. Article minus, if you want to understand any issue, first study it.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Igor V

If the author had read "General Staff during the War" by S. Shtemenko, part 2, he would not have asked stupid questions, everything is detailed and accessible there. Article minus, if you want to understand any issue, first study it.

The author is not a reader, the author is a writer. Salvage.

[Homo]

Quote: Pereira

But there is a difference between Mannerheim and Mihai.
Romanians at the end of the war really fought with the Germans, while losing about 80 000 people, i.e. one third of the total.

I agree with you. if you study the matter more deeply, the difference between them is immediately visible.
“As for the Order of Victory, it seems that this award was awarded to foreign representatives not so much for specific military operations, as for the contribution of their countries to the common struggle against the enemy. Is that why there was no place among the cavaliers for either General de Gaulle or General Lattre? de Tassigny, who signed the surrender of Germany on behalf of France? De Gaulle was not invited to the Potsdam Conference of the leaders of the victorious powers. As for Romania, the Soviet leadership did not have much choice, since almost the entire Romanian generals took part in the war against the USSR. The communist prime minister Petru Groza was a completely colorless person and was not popular in the country. In this situation, Mihai was the most suitable candidate. Moreover, the Kremlin took into account the considerable losses incurred by Romania in the final battles with Germany. "
http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/muza-55/post304740021/

[Homo]

Is it not destiny to justify your "minuses"? Or there is nothing to say, just Baba Yaga is against it and that's it!

[V.ic]

Mr. "author", do not consider yourself smarter than Stalin! Iosif Vissarionovich knew what he was doing, unlike you.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: V.ic

Mr. "author", do not consider yourself smarter than Stalin! Iosif Vissarionovich knew what he was doing, unlike you.

Do you really think that the author is fooling himself with questions of truth and justice, oh leave it.
Liberastists have mastered the basics of presenting information well, but that was the case.
1. Armistice with Finland 19.09.44/XNUMX/XNUMX, only everything in its place.
2g. Antonescu was arrested and removed from power, and Mihai 23 announced a military coup and the cessation of hostilities against the USSR and a truce with the United States.
And the Germans bombed Bucharest and the divisions threw and fought with the Romanians and 50 thousand were captured.
3. Che wanted to say something sick? The Order of Victory Mannerheim slopotat, like Mihai 1, so that in fairness? But the aspen stake does not suit?
4. The order is a personal thing. Personal contribution, personal valor. Do not clutch your hands.

[V.ic]

Quote: Mavrikiy

3. Che wanted to say something sick? The Order of Victory Mannerheim slopotat, like Mihai 1, so that in fairness? But the aspen stake does not suit?
4. The order is a personal thing. Personal contribution, personal valor. Do not clutch your hands.

Painful, what I wanted, I said. If you wipe your eyes and put on glasses on your nose, you can see in my commentary that there are no prerequisites for points 1, 2, 3, 4 of your comment. If you want to fight, then go to the mirror and spit on the nasty mug, but you shouldn't use fists. I understand, it was a hard day Friday, we relaxed a bit, and today adrenaline melancholy is gnawing! Take "sotochku", eat well and sleep off, "sick" ...

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: V.ic

Quote: Mavrikiy

3. Che wanted to say something sick? The Order of Victory Mannerheim slopotat, like Mihai 1, so that in fairness? But the aspen stake does not suit?
4. The order is a personal thing. Personal contribution, personal valor. Do not clutch your hands.

Painful, what I wanted, I said. If you wipe your eyes and put on glasses on your nose, you can see in my commentary that there are no prerequisites for points 1, 2, 3, 4 of your comment. If you want to fight, then go to the mirror and spit on the nasty mug, but you shouldn't use fists. I understand, it was a hard day Friday, we relaxed a bit, and today adrenaline melancholy is gnawing! Take "sotochku", eat well and sleep off, "sick" ...

Condolences! A mirror is an interior item and it has nothing to do with you, and I have no claims to it. But ... I heard the voice of a well-deserved liberalist who started a fight, this is interesting. Liberasts are famous for their ability to scrape, blurt out shortcuts and sorry to spit, not looking where and why. I think it’s from their mother. I guessed?

[V.ic]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Я I heard the voice of the honored liberalist who started the fight, it’s interesting. Liberasts are famous for their ability to scrape, blurt out shortcuts and sorry to spit, not looking where and why. Я I think this is from their mother. Я guessed right?

I have nothing to do with libermans. Could use the service and read my comments. A primate with two convolutions will be able to do this. If this is not available to you, then blame only yourself. You deliberately run into the conflict yourself, and therefore get a well-deserved pendel! You asked for it yourself.
We look at the extreme comment:
Everything in him again: I ... yes I ...
So I want to continue:
You are for ... but from ...!

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: V.ic

Mr. "author", do not consider yourself smarter than Stalin! Iosif Vissarionovich knew what he was doing, unlike you.

... and from the author. And from where such clever questions? STATE DEPARTMENT?

[Vladimir61]

We go to extremes throughout history - "I remember here, I don't remember here"! Everything is interpreted by political and populist expediency - to whom, when and how it is beneficial. This is not correct and carries the threat of a historical and political "delayed mine".

[tatra]

Quote: Vladimir61

We go to extremes throughout history

So I can’t remember that the Soviet Communists brazenly lied about the Soviet period and about the pre-revolutionary period, all the more so, they would brazenly slander someone.
But the enemies of the communists who seized the USSR, starting with their "Liberator" Gorbachev, in everything they write and say in their anti-Soviet propaganda, starting with their deceitful and hypocritical praise of "Saint" Nicholas II, are total lies, slander, hypocrisy, double standards, and outright delirium.

[Vladimir61]

I don’t want to argue, I will answer you on an understandable, everyday level ...
We sometimes severely condemn our loved ones for certain actions, for example, divorce, leaving our children without support, and so on! At the same time, we applaud our "idols" who commit such acts, repeatedly and cynically! Dozens of politicians, actors and other representatives of the secular and political elite can be named.
And what is real, ideological membership in the CPSU, double standards of party morality and so on, I do not know from the publications of propagandists!

[tatra]

Quote: Vladimir61

And what is real, ideological membership in the CPSU

These are ideological convictions that the priorities are the development of the country, and not 100 varieties of soy sausage and a lot of imports, these are great social benefits for the people, and not their own personal free enrichment.
Enemies of the Communists, starting with the "recovered" members of the CPSU, exactly when they ceased to be profitable for the Communists, by what they said, wrote, and when they were free from the Communists, they proved that there is not a single honest, not a single true patriot of their country and people among them.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Double standards can ruin any idea. How many religious wars were, while no one condemns the denominations themselves.

[tatra]

Double standards are, for example, to expose for the crimes of some, that which you do not consider the crimes of others.
The enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR and in the West proved that they do not care about hunger with human casualties, political repression, including executions, mass deportations, in the Russian Empire and capitalist countries of the world, BUT if the same is true in countries where the communists are in power, their supporters , those who did not lie under the United States, their deceitful and hypocritical "righteous anger" immediately turns on "yes, this is a crime against humanity, genocide, famine."

[Vladimir61]

Quote: tatra

These are ideological convictions that the priorities are the development of the country, and not 100 varieties of soy sausage and a lot of imports, these are great social benefits for the people, and not their own personal free enrichment.

Keep the slogans for yourself! As A. Raikin said, - we have always been for thrift and even reminded everyone of this, for example, in the Odessa port, in huge letters, we made an almost kilometer-long inscription - "Every penny saves a ruble!"

Quote: tatra

Double standards are, for example, to expose for the crimes of some, that which you do not consider the crimes of others.

Double standards are when party bosses proclaim one thing and do the other. This is when the parties in power have the right, and all other duties, it is when the most fair court in the world, if necessary, worked solely by the reaction of the city committee or executive committee, this is when the children of the parteigenosses of the appropriate level had the corresponding congenital IQ .
And there is no need to shower society with slogans that the CPSU is the honor, conscience and mind of our era. The issue of the significance of former leaders at one time or another in our history has been repeatedly discussed here. Who can be forgiven for miscalculations is Stalin - solely for the mobilization of the country in the first years of the Second World War! All the rest, created a "bright future" exclusively for themselves and their environment!
And my ticket is still with me, and I am proud of those people who once persuaded me to join the ranks of the CPSU - they also believed that "Nobody but us", and died in the 90s from poverty and loss of faith, into universal justice! Better to go to church!

[g1v2]

Everything is simpler. The Finns wanted to do a pleasant thing. Type peace, friendship, chewing gum. The authorities remembered Mannerheim, only that he was an officer of the imperial army. Well, quite in the framework of the fashion for the imperial past. Installed. And then, as luck would have it, the past of this figure has become highlighted. How his soldiers shot Russians in Vyborg, how he participated in the blockade, and so on. In general, the Finns wanted to lick, but ended up in the feces themselves on the neck.

[Tusv]

the king of Romania, who was an ally of Hitler, is not clear to me on this list. How is it different from Mannerheim?

The king of Romania was not defeated. how would such a difference. And on the Mannerheim board. My cousins ​​live in a glorious city has already agreed on a contest on the accuracy of throwing eggs

[Riv]

Great idea! Such competitions must be made a tradition.

[PValery53]

The current democratic-liberalist government, installing a memorial plaque to Mannerheim, responds to the accusations against the pro-communist people that the Stalinist government awarded the pro-fascist king of Romania with the Order of Victory. Like, "he himself"! - Kindergarten with sandboxes.

[Simon]

I am also against giving the Order of Victory to the King of Romania. But it seems to me that the Order of Victory was given to the Romanian king purely for political purposes, although Romania, in victory over Germany, didn’t help the Soviet troops in many ways. The only thing that came out of the contract with fascist Germany.

[Igor V]

Study the question before drawing conclusions.

[Glucky73]

The king of Romania also sold the Order of Victory.

[16112014nk]

Mihai 1 sold the Order of Victory to the Rockefeller family, not understanding the cultural and historical value, for 800 thousand dollars. And the Rockefellers, in turn, resold it for $ 2 million. Now the value of the Order of Victory is supposedly $ 20 million. The whereabouts of this last order are unknown.

[Stinger]

Where did "the mind, honor and conscience of our era" look?

Do not confuse communists and party members. The communists looked ahead, and the "party members" in the wallet.

[Vladimir61]

This is at the front, the Heroes, dying for the Motherland, in one form or another "asked" to consider them communists, and in post-war life, the communist, whoever received a party membership card, pays party fees monthly, supports the policy of the Central Committee of the CPSU and leads a "humble" essentially a powerless lifestyle.
An ideological communist should know the Party Charter, and not read it. I Charter, as well as the Oath I remember for a lifetime!

[fsps]

In fact, Romania was a source of oil and other fuel for Hitler. Accordingly, depriving him of fuel is a significant help.

[Koshak]

Selecting the order of the king (wherever this order is now) is unrealistic - you won’t return it.
But Mannerheim’s board should not have been installed - that is, it could NOT be done. Something like this.

[Cosmonaut]

(-) article
How familiar, against the background of "history" and noble impulses, to crap someone!
Come up with something new, suckers are already much smaller!

[oldzek]

I personally think this: this man did a lot of good for the Russian Empire for which he was awarded her awards, he fought with the USSR and did a lot of bad things, he was left alive and okay. but he didn’t do any damn thing for the Russian Federation should be removed. IMHO

[Cosmonaut]

Quote: Cosmonaut

(-) article
How familiar, against the background of "history" and noble impulses, to crap someone!
Come up with something new, suckers are already much smaller!

Apparently, only cons, there is no fantasy for the new!
PS. It pleases that the fantasy is over!
"I repeat, I am against the installation of a memorial plaque for Mannerheim, but I want to ask the Communists: will there be an appeal to the court about the order?" (C)

[Cosmonaut]

Quote: Cosmonaut

(-) article
How familiar, against the background of "history" and noble impulses, to crap someone!
Come up with something new, suckers are already much smaller!

Throw in the "firewood"!
Most of the "scientists" from history, decorated with honorary titles and awards, generations of "historical schools", just afraid to change everything !!!! It was good for them in the USSR and, now, they are not sour!
Therefore, I am not surprised at such a reaction, the "school" also eat hotz!
Historical example, for "historians" - the seminarian Dzhugashvili was "killed", the result is known, the USSR is gone!
This turned out to be LITTLE !!! Few them, BABLA !!! ??? Why not Khrushchev to fuck ??? Duc, not ordered to them, and the dough is LITTLE !!!
And LOTS of witnesses, while alive!

[oldzek]

I won’t argue with anyone, I’ll just quote the words of Caulaincourt said on one sad event: “this is not a crime, this is much worse, this is a mistake.” I believe that while at least one person born in the USSR is alive, this board should not be IMHO

[midshipman]

Dear readers of "VO", thousands of hits on the site "VO" do not budge anything in this matter. I contacted the secretariat of the deputy of the Legislative Assembly of St. Petersburg A. Kovalev (specialized Committee on commemorative plaques). This is a direct violation of the laws of the city on the Neva. You saw that when the board was opened, there were no city officials. So A. Kovalev sent an open letter to the Governor with a demand to take measures to remove the plaque in the manner prescribed by law.
But the communists of the city and country are asleep; no appeal to the court was ever followed. A SOON ELECTION! I have the honor.

[Basil50]

The author, as a true * democrat *, is naive and blames opponents for his own ignorance of the subject. Ukrainians on TV on talk shows behave in exactly the same way.