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Tarnished powder, or Big Ammo bluff

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To explain the completely illogical actions of Ukrainian officials in organizing the production of ammunition can only be a significant personal interest, and not concern for the interests of the state.


Tarnished powder, or Big Ammo bluff


A recent interview with Roman Romanov, Director General of the State Concern "Ukroboronprom", once again reminded of the unresolved problem two years ago. According to him, the State Concern "is ready to begin construction of a plant for the manufacture of ammunition and is awaiting funds from the state budget."

As you know, in the spring of 2014, the new Kiev authorities faced the loss of the Lugansk Patron SE, the PO Lugansk Machine Tool Plant, the State Treasury Chemical Association named after GI Petrovsky (Krasny Luch, Petrovskoye), and the Rubezhansky Chemical State Enterprise Zarya Plant (Rubezhnoye), State Enterprise Yuzhny Chemical Plant (Rubezhnoye), which produced rifle and artillery ammunition, industrial and military explosives, and military operations that unfolded from the beginning of the same year led to an accelerated consumption of available Ukrainian security forces stocks of Soviet times.In the territory of certain regions of Donetsk and Lugansk region there were also SE "Makeevsky State Design Institute", developing project documentation for the creation of production of military and general purpose and the Donetsk factory of JSC "Tochmash", which once fired shots for tank and field artillery. Therefore, the military-political leadership of the country set the task of organizing the production of modern models of small arms weapons and ammunition on the territory of Ukraine in 2014 year. So, October 5 2014 Advisor to the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Alexander Danilyuk reported that production will be laid in the near future, which will allow "not just one caliber, but virtually the entire line of ammunition for the Armed Forces of Ukraine." He also said that in the near future the military plants of Ukraine will open their own production of "small-arms cartridges with a carbide tungsten core, which today have no analogues in the world, capable of piercing all known domestic and foreign body armor, and also easily pierce armored cars" Cougar "and even armored personnel carriers."

In October, the same Romanov told 2014 that today there is enough ammunition in Ukraine, but due to the conduct of hostilities this resource will be exhausted. At the same time, Romanov stressed that such a plant could be built within two years with the involvement of foreign investors: "At least, we are negotiating with some companies about the creation of an ammunition manufacturing enterprise." In particular, the head of the concern spoke about the negotiation process with the American company ATK, which provides 80% of the US Army’s need for ammunition. In addition, he spoke about the visit a few weeks ago to the Ukrainian delegation to Azerbaijan, where a modern plant for the production of ammunition is being built. "A meeting was also held there with the company that helps Azerbaijan deliver this production," said Romanov. He assured that under this task Ukroboronprom was able to gather collectives of enterprises from the occupied territories of Donbass: “We accumulate all the human and intellectual potential there, now these people are included in the process, and these people are working on reproducing, or rather , on the creation of a completely new modern enterprise for the production of shells and cartridges. " It was indicated that the enterprises in Shostka and Pavlograd were able to very quickly restore the production of ammunition.

In September, 2015 about the perspective of joint production with western partners was told by Deputy Director of the Ukroboronprom concern Sergey Pinkas: "... we are preparing to implement an investment project for the construction of a new ammunition plant, there will already be diversification - both Soviet and NATO cartridges. We have there is already an investment offer on such a plant worth several million euros. " He clarified that "the investor is not related to the production of cartridges, but rather is related to money. This is a good Western investor. I can’t say more in detail yet." He also said that “The most understandable implementation is a joint venture in which Ukroboronprom will act as a party. We could offer our capacities — say, a plant that uses its capacities not on 100%. But there is a discrepancy connected with the Ukrainian legislation. The state enterprise cannot create a joint venture, only a corporate one. But, according to our laws, there must be at least 50% + 1 shares in the Ukrainian company. The investor is not interested because he contributes his money and becomes a minority shareholder. " Our and Polish lawyers are currently working on solving these problems in search of a platform to create a joint venture. Either through a resolution of the Cabinet of Ministers or through amendments to the law that will allow creating such enterprises in Ukraine, in our facilities. Speech on any nomenclature which should be used for the needs of the ATO, defense order or other military topics. " In passing, Pinkas said that "the Poles have the opportunity to attract several million euros under 3% per annum as part of the government program. But here they already have a requirement - 50% + 1 share for themselves."

14 October 2015, the then Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk, during a meeting with the leadership of the Main Directorate of the National Guard of Ukraine, assured that “next year a line of small arms ammunition will be opened”, stressing that several projects have already been developed to put the line of production of ammunition, and "their price - from 20 to 200 millions." On the issue of the possibility of manufacturing other ammunition, including missile and artillery, Yatsenyuk promised to hold separate consultations with the leadership of Ukroboronprom, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Stepan Poltorak and the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Arseny Avakov.

In December last year, Romanov, during a press conference following the work of the concern in 2015, reiterated the concern’s plans in 2016 to launch the production of ammunition of various calibers for small arms and to place production of an assembly of explosives for missiles and ammunition at the facilities of the Kiev plant "Artem". At the same time, the head of Ukroboronprom announced that a new enterprise “in Central Ukraine” would also be built, and its capacity would be enough to support the army.

14 June 2016 NSDC Secretary Alexander Turchinov during a visit to the state joint-stock holding company Artyom stated that in recent years, "including two years of warfare," military reserves inherited from the Soviet army were used to protect Ukraine. . According to the head of the National Security and Defense Council, to protect the country and strengthen its defense capability, there is no other alternative than to "create its own base for the production of a wide range of ammunition - from ammunition to large-caliber projectiles," since "these (Soviet) reserves are not limitless, much of it was thoughtlessly disposed of or sold at a time when no one thought it was necessary to fight. " In this regard, "new production facilities, new jobs will be restored or created, new technologies will be implemented", for which "about 800 Ukrainian enterprises of various profiles can be attracted: these are chemical production, mechanical engineering, and many other related enterprises and structures ", adding that" there is a need to develop and implement a state program for the production of Ukrainian ammunition, which should be implemented very rapidly. "

16 of June this year, the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine issued a statement by the Minister of Defense of the General of the Army of Ukraine Stepan Poltorak that Ukraine has enough ammunition to respond to existing threats: "In addition, we are working on promising developments of not only ammunition, but also weapons , equipment, personnel equipment. I note that the number of weapons and military equipment that we have allows us to carry out the tasks assigned to the Armed Forces of Ukraine in full. "

Thus, over the past two years, statements by representatives of the Ukrainian military and political leadership about the need for the production of ammunition come into conflict, above all, with their own assurances about the close observance by the Ukrainian side of the Minsk agreements.
First, if the first cease-fire clause has already been fulfilled for a year and a half, then the ammunition consumption should be zero.

Secondly, the views of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, which manages and uses these same ammunition, that is, the real picture of their provision and the military-industrial complex, which advocate the speedy deployment of new facilities, which inevitably entails new budget investments diverge.

Third, in parallel, the disposal of existing ammunition and, accordingly, requests for financing this process from Western partners, as well as in the state budget, continue.

By April 2016, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine prepared the terms of reference and requirements for a promising defense enterprise. Only the French company Manurhin (MNR Group SA) and several lesser-known firms were allowed to participate in the competition. According to a message from volunteers and activists, Ukraine proposed a cartridge factory project, the estimated cost of which was about $ 80 million, while Fritz Werner and Waterbury Farrel built similar enterprises for $ 60 million.

Even more interesting, the official Ukrainian state intermediary for the planned transaction, Spetstechnoexport, only in 2013 delivered equipment, documentation and consumables for the production of ammunition of 12,7 XX108 mm to the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Equatorial Guinea, while rescuing only a few million dollars.

Another special exporter, Ukrinmash, sold the 2008 caliber ammunition assembly kit of 9X18 mm caliber with the retrofit kit for 9x19 mm caliber - automatic rotor lines M-LGG-56, M-LKG-XNCHNMX-MNGX56 - to the Ministry of Defense Industry of the Azerbaijan Republic in June LSP-56 for 2,17 million dollars, and a set of technical documentation cost the buyer in 270 thousand dollars.
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  1. Teberii
    Teberii 17 July 2016 15: 52
    +24
    These are the problems of Ukraine and its leadership.
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 17 July 2016 16: 28
      +14
      Back in 2014, ammunition 7,62 in the ATO traded at 1-2 dollars apiece. However, Kuev claims that he is holding Russia back from the military occupation of Europe. Can they give them ropes with soap and torches for decisiveness? laughing
      1. PKK
        PKK 17 July 2016 16: 59
        +31
        APUs are shooting and they are shooting more and more, but that they are running out of BC, there’s only talk. When will Kiev really run out of shells and gunnery? Still the neighbors are surely helping, throwing them in echelons. There is clearly enough for the offensive and they are not denying themselves anything .So that talk of ammunition ending is a duck.
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 17 July 2016 17: 25
          +25
          Quote: PKK
          ... Even the neighbors will surely help, toss up with echelons. There is clearly enough for the offensive and they are not denying anything to themselves ...

          As for the b / n for art (tanks), I can't say, as for the shooter, you are not far from the truth. Poles, Czechs, Romanians, "brothers" Bulgarians - they really drive the entire range of small arms ammunition in echelons. Fortunately, the production capacities of 5.45x39, 7.62x39, 7.62x54, 12.7x108 and 14.5x114 from our former "allies" are really colossal. The civil war in the neighboring country absolutely does not prevent businessmen from these "young democracies" from warming their hands on the sale of ammunition ...
          1. cniza
            cniza 17 July 2016 18: 49
            +5
            Quote: Teberii
            These are the problems of Ukraine and its leadership.


            The owner will steer, but in the countries of the former social. camps, still a very large arsenal.
            1. dima mzk
              dima mzk 19 July 2016 03: 46
              0
              why is there an arsenal? they have been selling the main for two decades. full of rags
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          3. Vitalik Ukraine
            Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 19: 05
            -7
            And where does the DNR-LC get them?
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 17 July 2016 19: 19
              +12
              Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
              And where does the DNR-LC get them?

              APU, during the "heroic peremogs", forget laughing
              1. Vitalik Ukraine
                Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 19: 25
                -15%
                Do you believe that yourself?
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 17 July 2016 19: 34
                  +21
                  Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
                  Do you believe that yourself?

                  You probably wanted to write: "(You) yourself (and) then believe (those) in this?" ...
                  Just probably in a hurry hi
                  And about your question - of course I believe laughing
                  Whatever your doubts, watch one of thousands of similar videos: good
                  1. Vitalik Ukraine
                    Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 19: 47
                    -8
                    "(You) yourself (and) then believe (those) in this" - We will be on you (you are not disrespect for the interlocutor - this is a habit)! And how long will this good last? Every day they shoot! I sincerely want PEACE in my country!
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 17 July 2016 20: 51
                      +14
                      Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
                      I sincerely want PEACE in my country

                      Do you mean the original Russian lands that were cut off from Russia as a result of several unrest?
                      1. Vitalik Ukraine
                        Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 22: 19
                        -11%
                        I mean my country where you brought the war
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 17 July 2016 23: 09
                        +6
                        Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
                        I mean my country where you brought the war

                        I have already written about "my country", but about the war - this is for you to Nuland and her cookies.
                      3. Vitalik Ukraine
                        Vitalik Ukraine 18 July 2016 01: 17
                        -2
                        It's all ? Sorry ! I hope not all Russians are SUCH!
                      4. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 18 July 2016 05: 38
                        +3
                        Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
                        I hope not all Russians are SUCH

                        Which ones? Knowing the story?
                    2. Vitalik Ukraine
                      Vitalik Ukraine 18 July 2016 01: 17
                      0
                      It's all ? Sorry ! I hope not all Russians are SUCH!
                  2. Homo
                    Homo 18 July 2016 00: 06
                    +4
                    Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
                    I mean my country where you brought the war

                    First I wanted to answer and discuss the facts. But then I realized what is the point of telling the blind about the blue sky and the deaf about the nightingale's trills. All the same, he will not understand and will not believe! No.
                  3. Vitalik Ukraine
                    Vitalik Ukraine 18 July 2016 01: 19
                    -2
                    And you try! The main thing - do not forget about the facts!
        2. serezhasoldatow
          serezhasoldatow 17 July 2016 19: 35
          +3
          So everything remained in the Donbass.
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 17 July 2016 19: 44
            +10
            Quote: serezhasoldatow
            So everything remained in the Donbass.

            Our colleague Vitalik Ukraine, I did not read the first ten lines of the article under discussion ...
            Hurried probably, now he asks questionsrequest
            1. Vitalik Ukraine
              Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 19: 54
              -10%
              Yes, no, I read everything! And I have nowhere to hurry! And the fact that these enterprises did not work - you know? When was the last time you were in Lugansk? Well, if there were any!
              1. Andrey K
                Andrey K 17 July 2016 20: 12
                +10
                Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
                Yes, no, I read everything! And I have nowhere to hurry! And the fact that these enterprises did not work - you know? When was the last time you were in Lugansk? Well, if there were any!

                When were you in Lugansk? At the same time, explain how you are an expert on local specifics - when the last batch of ammunition was shipped from the State Enterprise "Lugansk patron" hi
              2. Vitalik Ukraine
                Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 20: 21
                -7
                For the Ukrainian army (at least until 2013) or for export?
              3. Andrey K
                Andrey K 17 July 2016 20: 59
                +8
                Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
                For the Ukrainian army (at least until 2013) or for export?

                You have not answered.
                Man - this is an extra confirmation that you are flooding. On Wikipedia, data on the Lugansk cartridge plant until 2013, so you decided to limit yourself to what is posted on the Internet lol
                Vitalik UkraineI have no desire to conduct a pointless conversation hi
                Peace to your home.
              4. Vitalik Ukraine
                Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 22: 23
                -4
                You also did not answer the question! More precisely answered in Odessa - a question for a question! When were you in the Donbass? And I was!
              5. Vitalik Ukraine
                Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 22: 25
                -1
                By the way, 2013 it was an example! Let's take any other year, since 1991 - any other
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              7. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 18 July 2016 01: 15
                +6
                If you are 40 years old, then why do you consider Ukraine as your homeland and not the USSR?
      2. Krasniy_lis
        Krasniy_lis 17 July 2016 23: 44
        +5
        Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
        When was the last time you were in Lugansk

        I was about a month ago. And in Debal I was and saw HOW MUCH there ukrovoyaki threw during a heroic, planned retreat from what was not (boiler) hi
      3. Vitalik Ukraine
        Vitalik Ukraine 18 July 2016 00: 15
        +1
        And I was there - and I saw your "super warriors" too! So what ? Maybe we should stop like that? Or shall we interrupt each other? I have nothing to do with power! But! My homeland is Ukraine (I am Russian-speaking! They can't get the top up - that means the lower classes need it! It will be difficult to forgive each other (both for us and for you) - but you NEED to stop it!
  • Vitalik Ukraine
    Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 19: 59
    -8
    How could something stay there that was never there? I invite you to visit Donbass! After all, you know better from Russia how "it was, is"!
    1. Belarusian with a Russian heart
      Belarusian with a Russian heart 17 July 2016 22: 07
      +20
      Vitalik with a wretched fascist call "ukraina" I wish you to live forever in war and civil chaos, which you are narrow-minded and greedy for freebies. Only a sick person in the modern situation can proudly put with his name the name of a non-state - a bankrupt of the neo-Nazi persuasion, you are not even considered people, stupid crazy meat, especially in Europe, which mocked you. Please do not be ridiculous with your morbid Nazi-fanatical "patriotism" of serious military people and do not evoke ill-concealed pity and contempt for yourself, in one word - "calm down"!
      1. Vitalik Ukraine
        Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 22: 34
        -10%
        I live in Kiev, my parents, grandparents, and also my great-grandmothers and great-grandfathers lived in Kiev (I don’t know anymore - I was not interested)! And that’s all - Ukrainians! How can I not love my city and my country? And where is fascism? If loving your homeland is fascism - then I’m a fascist (I love my homeland and will protect it from any enemy) !!!
      2. dvina71
        dvina71 17 July 2016 22: 53
        +11
        Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
        And that’s all - Ukrainians

        Your great-grandfather would probably be surprised .. that he is Ukrainian ...
      3. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 18 July 2016 00: 33
        +6
        Quote: dvina71
        Your great-grandfather would probably be surprised .. that he is Ukrainian ...


        And since when is the Ukrainian nation? Nationality in the USSR, no more. Koryaks, Nganasans, Shors ... And where do Ponte come from?
        It is killing that the Ukrainians ruled the Soviet Union during the "decay" - Khrushchev and Brezhnev and Shcherbitsky in the draft. Moral - Ukrainians do not let close to the trough, otherwise they will eat all the sandwiches, they love it, and the Russians will be guilty.
      4. Vitalik Ukraine
        Vitalik Ukraine 18 July 2016 01: 02
        -1
        And what have the "Koryaks, Nganasans, Shors, Khrushchev and Brezhnev and Shcherbitsky on the draft" got to do with it? All my life I considered myself a Ukrainian (40 years old)!
    2. Vitalik Ukraine
      Vitalik Ukraine 18 July 2016 00: 37
      -2
      Not how much! He really was Ukrainian (any of 4)
    3. dvina71
      dvina71 18 July 2016 01: 15
      +3
      Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
      Not how much! He really was Ukrainian

      YES? In Yandex, dial - metrics of the Russian Empire. You will learn a lot of new things.
      Well, or this
      LETRIC WRITTEN ABOUT LITTLE RUSSIA AND ITS PEOPLE AND KOZAKAKH AT ALL,
      if and how many people have their origin, and for some reason they now live at their own place, such as Cherkasy or Little Russia and Zaporizhzhya, and from them they are already Donets, and now they are only , terskіe, nekrasovskіe, and so on. Cossacks, as well as the suburban regiments.



      collected and compiled through the works of the engineer-general-maіor and the gentleman
      Alexander Rigelman
      1785-86 years.



      Moscow.
      In the university printing house.
      1847.



      Where did the Ukrainians come from? As we see them in the 18-19th centuries was not.
  • huntsman650
    huntsman650 18 July 2016 02: 02
    +5
    For Vetalik. So does Donchanin and Luganchanin think so, I think the same. Who came to put me in order. Am I a terrorist or a bastard who came to me? I just do not want such power, the junta, Danbas stood for the yanyka, the fucking junta sent her people to slaughter. Why there was no war under Yanyka, as Lula said burned or something like that, bombing the city is not fascism, disagreeing with the junta. I myself am a Ukrainian father, but the enemy is already in Kiev and tramples on you.
  • Protos
    Protos 17 July 2016 22: 41
    +8
    Vitalik, I, as a former citizen of your country, am ashamed of you ... laughing
    Before the coup of 2014 in this country, 99,99% of the population was able to read, but apparently when removing pots from their heads, many of their brains froze to their bottoms ... winked
    READ IN THE ARTICLE:
    “As you know, in the spring of 2014, the new Kiev authorities faced the loss of the Lugansk Patron State Enterprise, the Lugansk Machine Tool Plant State Enterprise, the Chemical State Association named after G.I. Petrovsky (Krasny Luch, Petrovskoe), State Enterprise "Rubezhnoye Chemical Plant" Zarya "(town of Rubezhnoe), State Enterprise" Chemical Plant "Yuzhny" (town of Rubezhnoe), which produced rifle and artillery ammunition, industrial and military explosives, and the hostilities that unfolded from the beginning of the same year led to an accelerated consumption of the Soviet-era reserves of the Ukrainian security forces. On the territory of certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions. there also remained the State Enterprise Makeyevka State Design Institute, which develops design documentation for the creation of military and general-purpose production facilities, and the Donetsk plant of Tochmash JSC, which once produced shots for tank and field artillery. "
    And to procure ammunition ... well, Putin brought it to the White Kamaz ... along with the T-72B3 laughing
    1. Vitalik Ukraine
      Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 23: 37
      -1
      I can read! I don’t argue that the plant worked! But where did all this go! For export ! We (sorry) all that is possible - went for export! All shit!
    2. Vitalik Ukraine
      Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 23: 37
      -1
      I can read! I don’t argue that the plant worked! But where did all this go! For export ! We (sorry) all that is possible - went for export! All shit!
  • Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 18 July 2016 15: 42
    0
    quote from the article:
    “As you know, in the spring of 2014, the new Kiev authorities faced the loss of the Lugansk Patron State Enterprise, the Lugansk Machine Tool Plant State Enterprise, the Chemical State Association named after G.I. Petrovsky (Krasny Luch, Petrovskoye), State Enterprise "Rubezhnoye Chemical Plant" Zarya "(town of Rubezhnoe), State Enterprise" Chemical Plant "Yuzhny" (town of Rubezhnoye), which produced rifle and artillery ammunition, industrial and military explosives. On the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions. there also remained the State Enterprise "Makeevka State Design Institute", which develops design documentation for the creation of military and general-purpose production facilities, and the Donetsk plant AO "Tochmash", which once fired shots for tank and field artillery.
    should be enough?
  • Drshan
    Drshan 17 July 2016 21: 15
    +2
    Have you read the article at all?
    "As you know, in the spring of 2014, the new Kiev authorities faced the loss of the Lugansk Patron State Enterprise, the Lugansk Machine Tool Plant State Enterprise, the Petrovsky State Chemical Association (Krasny Luch, Petrovskoe), the Rubezhansk Chemical the Zarya plant (Rubezhnoe), the Yuzhny Chemical Plant (Rubezhnoe), which produced small arms and artillery ammunition, industrial and military explosives, and the hostilities that unfolded from the beginning of the same year led to an accelerated consumption of On the territory of certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, the State Enterprise "Makeyevsky State Design Institute", which is developing design documentation for the creation of military and general economic facilities, and the Donetsk plant JSC "Tochmash", which once produced shots for tank and field artillery."
    1. Vitalik Ukraine
      Vitalik Ukraine 18 July 2016 00: 48
      -1
      Come to Ukraine, to Kiev! I will give you (you) an excursion around the country! And I GUARANTEE complete safety! Everything in order to show - there are no fascists here - but there are ordinary normal people! Why defend their homeland-is fascism?
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 17 July 2016 21: 54
    +9
    Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
    And where does the DNR-LC get them?


    Vitalik-shmitalik, crest you are premature, or maybe the United States Air Force drop, 500 million dollars at a time? We will not surrender the Donbass - they did not want to, like the Crimea, let them think further.
    Ukrainian rotten stuff has already got - "give us a weapon, and we will put things in order."
    What is cleaning up? The destruction and rape of 10-year-old girls? In unpunished artillery shelling of sleeping towns and cities?
    To Vitaliks-Shmitaliks I’m ill from me, I do what I can - IN RUSSIA I DO NOT WORK FOR YOU. Get down to the Poles homies, they love you.
    1. Vitalik Ukraine
      Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 22: 41
      -6
      "We will not surrender Donbass" - who are we?
      "In the destruction and rape of 10-year-old girls" - recalls the story of a crucified Slavic boy!
      "IN RUSSIA I HAVE NO WORK FOR YOU. Bring down your fellow Poles" - I make good money in my country too (I can work)!
      PS. Learn to write correctly in Russian first!
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 17 July 2016 23: 03
        +3
        Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
        PS. Learn to write correctly in Russian first!


        Wo, e! (How about the syntax in this turn?) And what's the mistake about "learn"? I'm waiting for the alignment. Just wondering .
        1. Vitalik Ukraine
          Vitalik Ukraine 18 July 2016 00: 55
          -2
          "I'm waiting for the alignment" - is it like "by concept"? I can expand! I can! Grew up in those days!
        2. Vitalik Ukraine
          Vitalik Ukraine 18 July 2016 00: 55
          -1
          "I'm waiting for the alignment" - is it like "by concept"? I can expand! I can! Grew up in those days!
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 17 July 2016 19: 47
    +4
    Quote: PKK
    So, the talk that ammunition is ending is a duck.


    There, the spotted one threw a lot of things, even though the brains had enough nuclear weapons to pull out from there. By all accounts, these bastards should have enough for another 5 years in the Donbass to beat, and if it ends - the glory of Ukrop greed - it means that they were forced into somewhere in Africa. We will not give "patrons" if Batska and Nazarbayev do not let us down - generally good. And in general, you need to be more attentive with the former Union republics.
    1. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 17 July 2016 21: 49
      +5
      Well, there is no need to attribute to the "new thinking" those merits that it does not have. The idea to collect all nuclear weapons in one "heap", to Russia, belongs to the State Department, they believed. that it will be easier for them to control it later, because the plans were leisurely to "privatize" all of Russia,
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 17 July 2016 23: 21
        0
        Quote: Svidetel 45
        The idea to collect all nuclear weapons in one "pile" in Russia belongs to the State Department


        The idea may be, but our execution, otherwise we would have remained without cowards, here the Amero-Jews would have torn everything to pieces. Patriots of the Russian state were and will be, even with a full schwartz cap they fit. Yes, these are set against them, so the tower will float laughing
    2. magician
      magician 25 July 2016 00: 05
      0
      exactly! left a lot. no one took out the mob reserves. so that you can do without your resources. And the countries of the former Warsaw Pact will help, they have this good for many years!
    3. magician
      magician 25 July 2016 00: 05
      0
      exactly! left a lot. no one took out the mob reserves. so that you can do without your resources. And the countries of the former Warsaw Pact will help, they have this good for many years!
  • Homo
    Homo 18 July 2016 00: 01
    0
    Quote: PKK
    APU shoot and shoot more and more, but that they have the end of the BC, only talk.

    In the army, "cartridges are running out" means there are 1000000-1500000 left (for 3-4 months) and not 100-150 pieces (for 2-3 hours). hi
  • Andrey K
    Andrey K 17 July 2016 17: 01
    +18
    Quote: siberalt
    Back in 2014, ammunition 7,62 in the ATO traded at 1-2 dollars apiece. However, Kuev claims that he is holding Russia back from the military occupation of Europe. Can they give them ropes with soap and torches for decisiveness? laughing

    1-2 dollars apiece (this is 60-120 rubles, at a glance) ... Where are these prices ... If ammunition is supplied for the Armed Forces of Ukraine at such prices, it is interesting to know the "suppliers" laughing
    With us, with all possible mediation markups, the price of the most massive cartridge is 7.62x39 (for hunters - a priori, they are more expensive than for the armed forces) - 10-12 rubles, that is, somewhere around 0.2 North American ruble laughing
    There would be more such "intendants" in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Taking into account the fact that there are whole deposits of b / n (there were), selling b / p to the "nenki's" owners at such prices is the top ... aerobatics laughing
    At this pace, by the fall, they will remain without port laughing
    1. ISSIDOR
      ISSIDOR 17 July 2016 19: 47
      +2
      These are the prices of illegal turnover of cartridges.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 17 July 2016 15: 55
    +17
    In October 2014, the same Romanov said that today there is enough ammunition in Ukraine, but in view of the conduct of hostilities this resource is exhaustible.
    bearded from the time of the Second World War anecdote: an exhausted fighter, drags a wounded comrade on himself ... He: Mykola ... drop me ... Fighter: ... drag ... He whines all the way: Mykola, shoot me ... Fighter, not having endured: yes would shoot, yes there are no cartridges ...! That: and you buy from mene ...! (Curtain)
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 17 July 2016 16: 20
      +4
      A box of ammunition for stew because you want the fighters of the APU at the forefront!
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 17 July 2016 18: 19
        +3
        Quote: BARKAS
        A box of ammunition for stew because you want the fighters of the APU at the forefront!


        He pulled out a box of cartridges and traded it for stew - Eka is unseen. And the sale for pennies of 400 state-owned enterprises (though not the first freshness), and the law on allowing the sale of agricultural land to foreign citizens is no longer a stew for satisfying hunger in the trenches.
        Sincerely sorry for the former beautiful country called Ukraine. yes
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 17 July 2016 20: 21
          +3
          Quote: Lelek
          Sincerely sorry for the former beautiful country called Ukraine.

          which, by the way, we, "damned" loved ...
    2. svd-xnumx
      svd-xnumx 17 July 2016 16: 32
      +3
      WWII bearded joke: an exhausted fighter, drags a wounded man
      As I see it from you, "blat", I received a warning for this anecdote.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 17 July 2016 17: 51
        +1
        Quote: svd-xnumx
        As I see it, "blat", I received a warning for this anecdote
        look at my warnings, you seem to have more "blat" ...
      2. northern
        northern 17 July 2016 17: 52
        0
        And perhaps you’re looking at the admin, and will punish Yurich :-)
  • Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 17 July 2016 15: 56
    +5
    Do Poles have bad toilet paper - once they wanted Ukrainian stocks? fool and a plant for the production of brains for their stupid Bosko someday build ??? fool fool
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 17 July 2016 16: 19
      +12
      to tell the truth, it's not funny for me to read about these insanities, - there are enough of them, can I devote more time to this? how is the wick magazine? I’m here, I’ll give a fuck about the problems of the outskirts, and I try not to “open” THESE articles; ... and so on ... gosh ...
    2. svp67
      svp67 17 July 2016 16: 26
      +2
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      Do Poles have bad toilet paper - once they wanted Ukrainian stocks?

      They are all good with it. They also understand that Ukraine is now a "financial black hole", the secret of which they cannot guess, since a lot of money flies into it, but does not linger, appears in completely different places on the planet ...
      1. ver_
        ver_ 19 July 2016 03: 02
        0
        ... then not a hole - then teleportation ..- these are new developments ..
    3. Orionvit
      Orionvit 17 July 2016 17: 36
      +1
      The top of "prudence" in Ukrainian is to build "for yourself" a cartridge factory, without the right of ownership. In general, a new anecdote. In Ukraine, ten old factories are more likely to be plundered than one new one is built.
  • hirurg
    hirurg 17 July 2016 15: 56
    +6
    Better let out pistons for children's pistols.
    So it will be better for the economy and for others.)))
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 July 2016 16: 06
    +10
    Problems with the production of ammunition in Maidania were bound to come. Long periods of storage of gunpowders (artillery) are fraught with changes in these same powders, leading to DETONATION when fired. And the destruction of the weapon, and sometimes together with the calculation. Therefore, there are restrictions on the storage time of shots and gunpowders. For shells, by the way, storage times are ABOVE. In short, shells and cartridges in Maidania may dry up, and the horses are organically incapable of establishing their own production WITHOUT STEALING. And since "hungry mouths" are not visible there, then (wangyu) there will be no production there.
    1. svp67
      svp67 17 July 2016 16: 28
      +6
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      In short, the shells and ammunition in Maydan may run out,

      And they will immediately be brought from NATO countries, so the "great dark striker" ordered them to urgently abandon Soviet weapons and buy American ones, and the former ATS countries will have an excess of them.
  • Krsk
    Krsk 17 July 2016 16: 07
    +2
    I do not think that the words reputation are generally applicable when it comes to the country Ukraine
  • Owl
    Owl 17 July 2016 16: 08
    +4
    Therefore, the direction of the attack on Lugansk is an important offensive direction for the APU.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 17 July 2016 16: 08
    +7
    Some dreamers started from $ 5 mil, and at the end already 80. I’m not saying that the production of cartridges for an automatic machine gun and a machine gun is distinguished not only by cartridges, but here they are going to produce everything at the cartridge factory! Ammunition, shots to tanks, guns. Today is what open day in the madhouse?
    But this phrase is just a masterpiece:
    We already have an investment proposal for such a plant worth several million euros. "He clarified that" the investor has nothing to do with the production of cartridges

    An investor who could produce gas from manure, and then immediately produce ammunition. As far as I understand, the investor simply agreed to unfasten and this is his main merit !!!
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 17 July 2016 16: 09
    +6
    In general, to build factories is not a sea to dig.
  • Foresterer
    Foresterer 17 July 2016 16: 10
    +13
    Oh, soon they will be fighting for cartridges for the civil war. What will Glavsvin go to Europe this time with an empty horn? Serve on cartridges, I did not shoot for seven days! Yes, Ukrainians, did you dream that you would live like Swiss or French, and now even the presidents of Zimbabwe and Gabon are offended when their countries are compared with Ukraine. Not dead yet?
    1. Zulu_S
      Zulu_S 17 July 2016 19: 11
      +1
      Quote: Foresterer
      didn’t die?

      But she already gave a darling.
  • grandson of the hero
    grandson of the hero 17 July 2016 16: 18
    +4
    This is how you need to hate your own country (or under-state) in order to build such plans. No, you can knock out money for cuts too. There are not many brains there. Well, at least a little compassion for their own people ...
    Here, in fact, what its leaders think about the future 404. For three, for five years ...
    Or, by then, would everything have grown there?
  • 0895055116
    0895055116 17 July 2016 16: 29
    +1
    Well, the old rule: "WHAT IS DONE IS BETTER!" Soon the Banderlog will have nothing to shoot at the militias and their CHIEF RIPPER will have to, indeed, have to bow to the West with the words "Give Judas, Satan and Bandera for the sake of cartridges for the war with Donbass, otherwise there are no cartridges and shells, but the Pravosek people want to fight!"
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 July 2016 16: 52
      +2
      "Soon the Banderlog will have nothing to shoot at the militiamen" - This good will last them for a hundred years, continuous shelling, so about "soon" - you hurried.
  • Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 17 July 2016 16: 32
    +6
    Interesting passage
    In addition, he spoke about the visit of a Ukrainian delegation to Azerbaijan a few weeks ago, where a modern ammunition plant is being built. "A meeting was also held there with the company that helps Azerbaijan to supply this production," Romanov said.


    And then, Ukrinmash sold to the Ministry of Defense Industry of the Republic of Azerbaijan in June 2008 a set of equipment for assembling 9x18 mm cartridges with a set of retrofitting for 9x19 mm caliber - automatic rotary lines M-LGP-56, M-LKG-56 and M- LSP-56 for 2,17 million dollars, and a set of technical documentation cost the buyer 270 thousand dollars.

    So 8 years ago, the outskirts pushed to Azerbaijan a set of equipment for assembling cartridges, because it was "unnecessary", and now it means that it travels there to "learn from experience"?
  • Alekseits
    Alekseits 17 July 2016 16: 38
    +4
    Quote: Eagle Owl
    Therefore, the direction of the attack on Lugansk is an important offensive direction for the APU.

    I do not think that if I have to retreat, there will be something left in working condition.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 17 July 2016 16: 40
    +11
    I liked it, from the 14 year, Kiev has been solving a problem, to put it mildly not worth a damn - to choose an investor, pay your share and have a product at the end. Instead, Kiev is on an abbreviated program: choose an investor and at the exit to have it ...
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 17 July 2016 16: 47
    +1
    That's good. The fewer grenades a monkey has, the calmer a person will live.
  • crambol
    crambol 17 July 2016 16: 51
    +6
    ... in the near future, Ukrainian military factories will open their own production of "cartridges for small arms with tungsten carbide core


    I wonder where they are going to get tungsten from, isn't it from light bulbs?


    1. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 18 July 2016 17: 30
      +1
      Quote: crambol
      I wonder where they are going to get tungsten from, isn't it from light bulbs?
      In fact, svidomity admit that they finally invented a bicycle after the German SmKH (1939), the Soviet BS-40 (1940), the Swedish development of the FFV (adopted by the U.S. Army as M993), the Canadian C-44. And what's the difference, where to get it if they are not going to produce it. The main thing is to say that there are no analogues in the world.
  • Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 17 July 2016 16: 51
    +8
    After reading it, I had a firm and unshakable conviction that there would never be any production of my own ammunition, but the next money would be stolen as usual. In a thieves' country, all good intentions are just a loud fart by mouth.
  • Pitot
    Pitot 17 July 2016 17: 00
    +1
    The less they release ammunition, the more lives will be saved in the DNI and LC ....
  • Sasha75
    Sasha75 17 July 2016 17: 00
    +3
    Ammunition for small arms there was for World War II stocks were made just for it in the USSR. But the shells and missiles were sold, and the shelf life passed here is their main problem. And they are looking for a way out of it in Poland. There’s production left, their main supplier is the Americans. They won’t help. They don’t have lines for the production of missiles for the Castle and tank shells for our equipment.
    1. black
      black 17 July 2016 17: 40
      +3
      According to official monitoring data, in 2005 in the territory of Ukraine, there were 2,5 million tons of ammunition. In 2008 - 1,5 million tons. Do you feel the dynamics? Also add storage periods. And if I tell you that this winter, large-caliber artillery shells from 120 mm were removed from the front line in the ATO zone? So that the predators did not shoot for an hour. Is a picture looming?
      1. Vitalik Ukraine
        Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 19: 40
        -10%
        But at the same time, do your media write about shelling from 120-mm? Where is the logic ? How can you shoot from what is not? Honestly, if it weren't for you, then we would have agreed among ourselves long ago!
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 17 July 2016 19: 51
          +11
          Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
          But at the same time, your media write about shelling from 120-mm? Where is the logic ? How can you shoot from what is not?

          You ask the logic of the APU, how can prohibited artillery systems be on the demarcation line request
          Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
          Honestly, if it weren’t for you, we would have agreed among ourselves a long time ago

          Then speak "honestly", if the pot-heads hadn't flooded to impose their rules in Donbass, then there would be a reason "agree" would not be negative
          1. Vitalik Ukraine
            Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 22: 54
            -2
            Look (or look) who mainly fights there! Russian-speaking Ukrainians with Russian-speaking Ukrainians! Moreover, both these and those are RUSSIAN-SPEAKING! And they hate each other! So maybe it's not the language and nationality?
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 17 July 2016 23: 03
              0
              Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
              Look (or look

              HERE and you ... look .. where are they fighting?
              In Kiev?
            2. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 17 July 2016 23: 43
              +2
              Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
              Moreover, both these and those are RUSSIAN-SPEAKING! And they hate each other! So maybe it's not the language and nationality?

              The truth is spoken. Litmus test - May 9. Can you name who is honored on both sides? In Kiev and in Donetsk?
              Well, ammo and ammunition will be thrown to the junta. The hosts. Who do you know?
            3. Doppelgänger
              Doppelgänger 18 July 2016 01: 20
              +2
              Here you are right, it's not about the language, it's about the worldview, environment, etc. (many factors) and if you consider it right to be loyal to your government, which renames "Moscow" in "Bandera", approves of una unso, marches of veterans these ... (not even to name without a mat, chtol fell) Nazi symbols and the like .. what to say? What kind of world can it be? You say they hate each other? So it is natural, many grandfathers instilled hatred (almost in genes) to any the manifestation of the "black plague" ... If your revolutionaries on the Maidan, just galloped with shouts of "moskalyak to gilyak" and glory to Ukraine, well, of course, it's a shame, but by and large everyone will give a fuck))) so no, it was necessary to release something , that back is already so simple, with all the desire, you can't push it, you need to understand, but I think many understand it perfectly, maybe it was just necessary for someone (let's not point our finger to the West)? To hate? What do you think?
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2016 20: 14
          +5
          Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
          Where is the logic ? How can you shoot from what is not?

          Vitalik Klitschko, don’t look for logic, you won’t find it. Logic and you, like two straight parallel lines, do not intersect in life.
          1. Vitalik Ukraine
            Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 22: 56
            -1
            I'm not Klitschko! You got it!
  • ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 17 July 2016 17: 01
    +2
    "... have no analogues in the world today, capable of breaking through everything ..."
    And, moreover, a skillfully thrown woodpecker easily breaks through three pines and gets stuck in the fourth! Cannibalism will soon begin in the "saucepans", and they are scratching about patrochniks in turnips! fool
  • valent45
    valent45 17 July 2016 18: 05
    +1
    Thank God! Hero finally runs out of gunpowder! Urgently stop the supply of matches to the outskirts!
    I remember the boys made scarecrows from match heads.
  • volodya
    volodya 17 July 2016 18: 20
    +1
    They have everything, just as usual they cast a shadow on the fence! We got used to lie! And beg for something!
  • atamankko
    atamankko 17 July 2016 18: 34
    +3
    And a rich republic came out of the USSR,
    how quickly her junta led to poverty.
    1. Vitalik Ukraine
      Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 19: 19
      -1
      Before the "junta" there were: Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko (bastard), Yanukovych (thief)
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 17 July 2016 20: 03
        +11
        Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
        Before the "junta" there were: Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko (bastard), Yanukovych (thief)

        And where on your list is the "pantheon" of glory for Troshenko? And why is there no I.O. Ukrainian leader Turchinov, on whose orders the massacre began in Donbass?
        You somehow "selectively" present everything here request
        And why do the surnames Kravchuk and Kuchma have no explanations in brackets?
        I will help you:
        Kravchuk, u..rod like our Pynimaishsh, who participated in the collapse of the common state. Come on, humanly, otherwise it’s just like rats quietly and against the will of the people request
        Kuchma - I will not take much time, he is disgusting and uninteresting to me. One tragedy that characterizes his personality is enough: he is a murderer (like the supreme aircraft of second-hand UrKaina) of passengers of our Tu-154 of Siberia Airlines. Death of 78 people is on his pass ... There is still no apology. As is customary in "walk the field" the air defense system fired, and the plane exploded on its own negative
        1. Vitalik Ukraine
          Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 20: 16
          -10%
          1. Kravchuk - he didn’t have anything (thank God)

          2. Kuchma — when compared with Yushchenko, and especially with YNukovich — God,

          "he is the killer (as the supreme aircraft of the second-hand UrKaini) of our Tu-154 passengers of the Siberia Airlines. 78 people died on his bad conscience. There is still no apology. As is customary in the" walk field ", the air defense missile system fired, and the plane self-exploded "- it was JOINT exercises of Ukraine and the Russian Federation - BUT !!! They shot from Ukrainian air defense and Russia was responsible for aiming at the target (therefore Russia did not raise a noise)

          3. Poroshenko - not yet clear

          PS. When you write the name of the country (like "second-hand urKaini") - have respect for the people who live there, and then you will be respected too!
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 17 July 2016 20: 37
            +12
            Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
            2. Kuchma - when compared with Yushchenko and especially with YNukovich - God ...

            .... They shot from Ukrainian air defense and Russia was responsible for aiming at the target (therefore, Russia didn’t raise noise)

            Something Kuchma, on record, did not say a word about missile guidance by Russia. Where did you get this ... from?


            Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
            PS. When you write the name of the country (like "second-hand urKaini") - have respect for the people who live there, and then you will be respected too!

            My friend, the state of Ukraine ended on February 21, 2014. The "supreme puppet neumerlik" and the "government" together with the "Rada" are nothing more than a bunch of impostors who came to power during the coup.
            And one more thing: there is no need to generalize - I respect people, but I don’t understand Maydanuty. So this is a maydaun problem, not mine request
            1. Vitalik Ukraine
              Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 23: 02
              -4
              "Something Kuchma, on the record, did not say a word about missile guidance by Russia. Where did you get this ... from?" - and will not say - they agreed (well, you know with whom)!
              And I have my sources - the people that served there then!
              and maidan? - was originally against Ynyka (and God forbid you ever such a thief-president)!
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 17 July 2016 23: 07
                +5
                Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
                was originally against Ynyka (and God forbid you ever such a thief-president)!


                Against Yanukovych? Strange .. but one person claimed that because of underwear?
                Who to believe then?
                Well, and secondly .. How much is the condition of your extremier growing there? For the sake of this maidan?
              2. Lekov L
                Lekov L 18 July 2016 00: 35
                +6
                On the 200 complex missile guidance not with the ROC channel? And somewhere else? From Putin's phone?
                Brad!
                You have OBS sources, I’m talking to you as a former battalion commander of the RLK Tsu.
                Dvuhotchik.
                And I have my sources - the people that served there then!

                And it was necessary to teach your sources the materiel while you were serving, and not footcloths p ... (self-censorship), but like this: stealing.
      2. dvina71
        dvina71 17 July 2016 22: 49
        +2
        Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
        Yanukovych (thief)


        Nate to you ... enlighten
        http://index.minfin.com.ua/index/gdp/

        And do not write nonsense. This resource is not for this. Forget the "censor" habits.
      3. Protos
        Protos 17 July 2016 23: 34
        +7
        But didn’t you vote for them? laughing
        "I am not wine, he himself priyshov" First, in 2004. vote for orange mischiefs sent from the United States, and then cry sho Putin is to blame lol
        1. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 18 July 2016 01: 44
          +1
          Quote: Protos
          But didn’t you vote for them?
          "I am not wine, he himself priyshov" First, in 2004. vote for orange mischiefs sent from the United States, and then cry sho Putin is to blame


          The resource is called "Voennoye Obozreniye", what are you doing here with your dirty footcloths, Ukrainians? In, damn it, they already get it. By God, at the first opportunity we will teleport you to Aldebaran. There are definitely no Muscovites there. Scream in a vacuum until blue in the face. In Russia, it is customary for us to solve our own problems, stinkers, and not to shake in front of all our, um, PROBLEMS.
  • ALEXXX1983
    ALEXXX1983 17 July 2016 19: 09
    +3
    according to our laws, at least 50% + 1 share in it should belong to a Ukrainian company

    "The Poles have the opportunity to raise several million euros at 3% per annum under the government program. But here they already have a requirement - 50% + 1 share for themselves."

    You can use a custom approach by issuing a package of 100% and 2 shares repeat
  • antivirus
    antivirus 17 July 2016 19: 15
    0
    GL: how do the above listed enterprises work or are they maintained in LDNR?
    Its bp closer to the body.
  • PKK
    PKK 17 July 2016 19: 20
    0
    In the USSR, everything was in short supply, but it turns out that the money went to the production of PSU for dill. And now the drinks on ours shoot with those Soviet PSUs, the money for which was taken away from us then.
  • volodya
    volodya 17 July 2016 20: 49
    +1
    Quote: atamankko
    And a rich republic came out of the USSR,
    how quickly her junta led to poverty.

    In the USSR, in the army, there were Ukrapians Ukrainians, respectively, ensigns were the deputies!
  • Kibl
    Kibl 17 July 2016 20: 51
    +1
    The main thing is that there should be ammunition for Petka and his gang !!! And then again the firing squad will have to ask for ammunition from the damned Muscovites!
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 17 July 2016 21: 01
    0
    Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
    How could there be something left that was never there


    Still how could, SGV-YUGV-TsGV-GVSG + Ukraine-Moldova-Belarus were packed in full, there the general KHAPOK was not sickly, but the ammunition shells were thrown just for the futility of their commercial use. Therefore barrels of gunpowder are smoldering, it would be necessary, as in the Arctic, to clean up so that downs with pistons do not muddy the water.
  • Vadim Zhivov
    Vadim Zhivov 17 July 2016 21: 21
    +3
    Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
    1. Kravchuk - he didn’t have anything (thank God)

    2. Kuchma — when compared with Yushchenko, and especially with YNukovich — God,

    "he is the killer (as the supreme aircraft of the second-hand UrKaini) of our Tu-154 passengers of the Siberia Airlines. 78 people died on his bad conscience. There is still no apology. As is customary in the" walk field ", the air defense missile system fired, and the plane self-exploded "- it was JOINT exercises of Ukraine and the Russian Federation - BUT !!! They shot from Ukrainian air defense and Russia was responsible for aiming at the target (therefore Russia did not raise a noise)

    3. Poroshenko - not yet clear

    PS. When you write the name of the country (like "second-hand urKaini") - have respect for the people who live there, and then you will be respected too!

    And how could Russia be responsible for targeting ... Where can I find ...
    1. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
      Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich 17 July 2016 22: 12
      +6
      Elementary Watson! Shooting channel - Khokhlam, channel guidance - Russia.
      Lord, with such experts in air defense you begin to doubt your own knowledge.
      Vitalik Ukraine. If they do not give stamped editions, read at least Shirpotrebovsky brochures about air defense. Everything is described there for the student level with triples in the report card. Maybe you’ll understand. And in general, advice: Do not know - do not write, do not expose your ignorance to the public.
      1. Vitalik Ukraine
        Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 23: 25
        -2
        Not really versed in air defense - not mine! I know that people told me who participated in this! In the teachings of these in the sense!
    2. Vitalik Ukraine
      Vitalik Ukraine 17 July 2016 23: 21
      -2
      "And how could Russia be responsible for aiming" - joint exercises!
      Nowhere - classified! With time ! You can not believe - I do not insist! But the question! Why did the Russian leadership react so "calmly" to this? Compare with the shot down SU in Syria!
      PS. First of all - it was a tragedy! God forbid when such a thing!
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 17 July 2016 23: 29
        0
        Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
        But the question! Why did the Russian leadership react so "calmly" to this? Compare with the shot down SU in Syria!

        Well, if you compare the state of Russia then and now, then the difference is obvious, respectively, and the possibilities too.
  • Krasniy_lis
    Krasniy_lis 17 July 2016 23: 50
    +2
    Gentlemen, are you already aware of the fire (next) at the dill site? With detonation bp. Here I can argue for anything, they hide the theft (according to the pattern).
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 17 July 2016 23: 51
    +2
    Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
    If loving your homeland is fascism - then I’m a fascist (I love my homeland and will protect it from any enemy) !!!


    And who forbids something? To love the Motherland. Photo to post "loving dill" in Donbass, your mother? Answer in full, "patriotic" utyrk. There, patriotism did not lie nearby, you just fell for defenseless people, cattle with impunity. We'll brush you scoundrels.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 18 July 2016 00: 08
    0
    In short, two years there is tryndezh about the production of ammunition and that’s all.
    Which, in fact, is not surprising with the general deterioration of the state.
    And then, no one except Ukraine is interested in creating such a production.
  • Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 18 July 2016 00: 55
    +5
    [quote = Vitalik Ukraine]
    you want to live happily, but at the expense of the Russian Federation. this is a mystery to all Russians why they should pay for the life of ukrov in the EU. It was not Russia that brought the warrior to you, but Aunt Nuland, and the desire to expose the Russian fleet from the Crimea, and to move Russia to the hydrocarbon markets with the help of the Donbass.

    Regarding the war, I don’t know what is stopping you (Ukraine) from taking a declaration of war and taking it from the Russian Federation, for example, the Kuban region. Or returning Crimea. punish the aggressor, so to speak. (you yourself know why you will not start, because you will have to deal with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation).

    Do you really believe that, for example, the BMW plant will transfer its lines to Ukraine. so that petro and gank would live happily? Europe does not need you! but without pipe and gas, Russia, too. industry is your aunt. (It is not in the Baltic states, but they are mentally closer to Europe, unlike you).
    But the cartridges and stuff, equipment of the republic get in the military! why it’s possible for one to overthrow power and seize weapons depots, to receive these weapons from NATO friends, but not for others. and our volunteers are fighting there. because your volunteers fought in Chechnya, and why can’t ours ours? And mind you they don’t cut off their heads. do not take hostages.

    Regarding the fact that we do not know what is happening in Ukraine. at one time in our city there were a lot of cars with Ukrainian numbers and just refugees, there are also friends and relatives there, and not only from the Donbass, but also from Kharkov, Kiev, etc. so that first-hand infa.
    For example, I bought a garage from my grandfather whose son at the beginning of your pornography sold an apartment in Kiev and moved to Russia.

    I don’t want to upset you about the fact that Russian is at war with Russian, the name Russian does not apply to you. With Bandera Avenue for you. (And after that you offer to negotiate, by the way, tell how the Russians destroyed Ukraine by joining their territories and do not forget the Holodomor)?
    1. Vitalik Ukraine
      Vitalik Ukraine 18 July 2016 01: 30
      -3
      I understood one thing - with you Russians (not to be confused with RUSSIANS) - to argue that to beat your head against the wall! Pointlessly! What a pity - truth is born in a dispute! Good night everybody !
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 18 July 2016 01: 50
        +3
        Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
        argue,

        To do this, it is necessary to cite some facts, evidence. And then what you do is idle talk.
        Go learn the materiel. You will learn ... you will come to argue, and not to voice slogans.
      2. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 18 July 2016 02: 14
        +2
        Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
        I understood one thing - the Russians are with you (not to be confused with RUSSIAN


        YAH ??? You weren’t lying around here, dig the seas. Divorced here dividers. Some crest will still be a Russian from a Russian to separate. This is not your dog thing. Sit and be silent, racecourses.
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 18 July 2016 01: 35
    +2
    Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
    "I'm waiting for the alignment" - is it like "by concept"? I can expand! I can! Grew up in those days!


    So lay out, you are our diplomas. Purely bend your fingers, divorced here in the vast, nothing at all. I know Russian perfectly.
  • huntsman650
    huntsman650 18 July 2016 02: 23
    +1
    How is life in Kiev better?
  • Vladimir
    Vladimir 18 July 2016 09: 02
    0
    Quote: huntsman650
    How is life in Kiev better?


    Come see, there are no queues for bread and even sausages too, restaurants and cafes are crowded in the evening, there is nowhere for an ordinary person to go on the streets of expensive off-road vehicles, judge for yourself. .
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 18 July 2016 16: 55
      +1
      Well, if judging by jeeps and queues for sausage and parties in a restaurant, then many dying cities in our country will see the first go. The indicator you cited
  • wow
    wow 18 July 2016 14: 16
    0
    Wait, wait for the allocation of money "from the state budget"! Maybe you will wait ....
  • tracer
    tracer 18 July 2016 15: 31
    +2
    Are you sho? Yes, in the center of Kiev it may be so. So the sidekick from Kharkov was only talking now. Piz..setz there, everything is worth it. There is no work, everything that is nailed and that is nailed is zvizdyat zvizdyat too. Lawlessness is everywhere. The cops themselves guard the sowing at best. You can win anything for the grandmother in court, even sue the Crimea back. The factories are being pulled apart by the former workers themselves, or rather, they are pulling the crumbs that they stole before. They ride on jeeps .. hmm, you have a jeep, maybe plastic for the klyatyh times Yanyka remained under his nursery bed. And I take jeeps from people at once (lads of treasure). You don't need a lot of cartridges, or rather one, for your stupid head. And now you have one goal in your life, you jump until you get a kick in the ass. Your flawed, Nazi-based worldview, greed and passion for freebies will lead you (including through experiments with reactors) to ruins where "jeeps will not push through" now stand. You will never see your jeep again. As well as his face, white from loss of blood, somewhere near Debalka. This is your way of a stubborn patriot of your "NATS".
  • Dzimka
    Dzimka 18 July 2016 15: 45
    +1
    Life is definitely better)). There are no queues for bread, but people twist jambs in second. Moreover, young people, not old people. So, of course, better, how else. Schob everyone lived like that.
  • Doppelgänger
    Doppelgänger 18 July 2016 16: 52
    +2
    Quote: Vladimir
    Quote: huntsman650
    How is life in Kiev better?


    Come see, there are no queues for bread and even sausages too, restaurants and cafes are crowded in the evening, there is nowhere for an ordinary person to go on the streets of expensive off-road vehicles, judge for yourself. .

    Don’t you take offense, dear))) There are no cartridges? What kind of nonsense?)) Is it just babble ... Did you replace gas with firewood? Replace it ... So you can easily also get cartridges with arrows, don’t you understand? Ukraine in dangers, what ammo?))) So, do not lose heart, there is too much power and no nails))
  • Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 18 July 2016 22: 16
    +2
    The editors give comments in vain. Such as Vitalik Ukraine. He didn’t write anything like that, but you need to know your opponent’s position. Moreover, judging by his writings, he has tension with the facts
  • ver_
    ver_ 19 July 2016 02: 48
    0
    Quote: Andrey K
    Quote: Vitalik Ukraine
    Do you believe that yourself?

    You probably wanted to write: "(You) yourself (and) then believe (those) in this?" ...
    Just probably in a hurry hi
    And about your question - of course I believe laughing
    Whatever your doubts, watch one of thousands of similar videos: good

    There are no bosses on the forum, dear ..
    How are we accustomed to servility .. However, in the English language there isn’t you too .. As well as addressing by name and patronymic - you have to be more modest, more modest - Polite YOU are ours ..
  • DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 19 July 2016 12: 24
    +2
    Dear author, Diana Mikhailovna.
    You are apparently so far from the topic of armaments and armed forces that you think - since there is no war, then there is no ammunition consumption either?
    I will disappoint you - practical firing in the troops requires the consumption of ammunition, the ammunition is consumed during exercises with live firing.
    In preparation for hostilities - the ammunition consumption increases by an order of magnitude from the usual.
    There is nothing unexpected or extraordinary about this.
  • Mytholog
    Mytholog 19 July 2016 19: 59
    0
    I am reading about these "plans" and for some reason an old Ukrainian proverb is spinning in my head:
    "Fool - dumkoyu bagatiє (Fool - only dreams and rich)"

    There will be no new production. Corruption has already passed into an inoperable stage.
    And if they see what REALLY is needed, requirements become sky-high.
    What new plants are there?

    Maybe it's for the best. Fewer people will be put for anything ...