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Scouting robot for the ATO zone. Part of 4


This is a continuation of the article on the intelligence robot. The first part is HERE.

Yes capo
(Da Capo Italy -. A musical term meaning "to play from the beginning").
In response to attacks in the press, on his personal Facebook page Rostislav Pasechnik published the following statement:

Scouting robot for the ATO zone. Part of 4

I do not speak Ukrainian, but I understood the general meaning of the document.
After signing the contract for the supply of two cars, it was decided to strengthen their armor.
Additional armor increased the total weight of the machine on 60 kg.
Testing minitank revealed a decrease in the specific power of the power plant *.
The increased weight increased the load on the undercarriage components and reduced its reliability.
New engine, gearbox and controller from Transtecno Group were purchased and installed.
A new suspension and a new track have been developed.
Then they decided to expand the overall dimensions of the machine body and use a valve engine (BLDC).
Ukrainian craftsmen have developed such an engine, and now they are preparing to release the first, pre-production batch.
It took months of hard work, in which many specialists volunteered to take part.
As a result, a prototype of a fundamentally new platform was developed.
The platform is currently undergoing tests, which we plan to complete at the end of June 2016. Then proceed to mass production.
In parallel, there was the development of several remote-controlled modules for installation of the various types of weapons.
The development of a mine clearance device is underway.

One of the activists (Orest Suvoriy) wrote on the same page:
Pasechnik P.E. cheater and liar !!!
In my whole life, no one has lied to me so much !!!
His lies can only be compared with the lies of Putin, Lavrov and Kiselev.
I filed a lawsuit, but it turns out he is a homeless person, he and his wife have no property.
Pasechnik is the founder of "Mail service" with zero statutory fund.
For the last two years he has not been paid.
Again focuses attention, I did not finance the development, I have bought ready-made products for the front !!!
For those who have any doubts or sympathy for Pasechnik RE - read the agreement signed by him.

Earlier, 18 September 2015, the ZIK television channel, published a short report “Lviv IT specialists developed a mini-tank for reconnaissance.
In R. Pasechnik it demonstrates a new Undercarriage and talks about its versatility.
"Depending on the configuration the machine can plow, sow, clean sidewalks." - R. Pasechnik.
Well, just "peaceful Soviet tractor", and more!
But at least, at least outwardly, the platform of the new generation looks like a modern combat robot.

A shot from the report of the TV channel ZIK. Video at the end of the article.

Who is to blame and what to do?
Who is she: a deceived buyer or just a quarrelsome woman?
Who is he: a swindler or playful manufacturer who stubbornly wants to finish the job?
Who is right and who is wrong in this situation?

Judging impartially - out that Basil and Jan Serdyuk right.
They paid money for the goods, but it turned out to be of inadequate quality, and the seller disappeared without returning the money.
That they are seeking the truth in law enforcement is their legal right.
Surprising, by the way, the inaction of these very organs.

And if judged from the point of view of the militia-then this technique should act against them.
And it turns out that Rostislav Pasechnik is a great fellow and should be presented for a reward.
For sabotage in the rear of the enemy.

But from what point of view is not to judge, will announce that the road spoon for dinner.
And all the terms came out long ago and the seller "hit" in penalties for anyone.
What do you think, my dear readers?

In a statement on Facebook, Mr. Pasechnik promised to finish the tests of a new-generation combat robot at the end of June 2016.
But it's already July, but News not yet.
Wait and see what this will end история.
I do not know what it will cost him to whitewash his reputation, but once the boy said - the boy will do.

Not a word about EW facilities.
Indeed, not a word about the effects of enemy EW assets.
Since the development of this radio-controlled complex involved in purely civilian enterprises and individuals - I would not be surprised if it turns out that the developers are not aware of their existence.

I published an article last fall. Combat control system “KomBat”.
I think that the comments on this article are relevant for this, about radio-controlled wedges.

Quote: AlNikolaich

Well, hi-tech rules!
I am tormented by vague doubts that the work system is capable of in combat conditions ...
Electronic counteraction, blocking of air, jamming ...

Quote: Darkmor

It should not be used laptops and tablets, and special protected military communications.
Electronics requiring radio wave communication is very easy to detect and decrypt.
At best, this vundervaflya simply will not work in noisy environments.
In the worst case, it will give information to enemies about your location, the location of your allies, and your tactical mission.
It's easier to shoot yourself.

Quote: Good

EW opponent without any effort will turn this system into a pile of useless devices!
The result will be sad.

Quote: domiemon

Of course, electronic suppression is possible, but at the moment, as far as I read, both the APU and the BCH at the front end at the level of platoon or company strong points of the EW are not very common, so from this point of view the risk is not great.
The risk is that due to the peculiarities of the terrain or while in the building the wifi may disappear
and it is precisely this time that can be the most critical for a fighter or unit.

Alternative development: folk tank Gennady Nichiporuk.
In November 2014, all Ukrainian media started talking at once: "In Nikolaev, enthusiasts make a national tank."
And indeed, in the Nikolaev region the development of a radio-controlled tank was in full swing.
The author of the project for a national tank from Nikolaev was Gennady Nechiporuk, the project engineer was Valery Prud (a former personnel tanker).

Were dropped on the national tank on the site of the All-Ukrainian Center of Volunteers, which specializes in raising funds in favor of the army.
Donations were listed not only by sympathizers from Ukraine, but also from the USA and Australia.
On the progress of work and expenditure of funds informed on the page on Facebook: laid out checks and invoices, photos and videos.
Now this page does not exist.

Photos of the future of the Ukrainian national tank.

The authors admitted that the Russian robotized strike complex “Platform-M” lay at the basis of the Ukrainian project.
I would say that the Ukrainian craftsmen decided to make a cheap copy of the Russian complex.

Photo of the Russian complex “Platform-M”.

The Platform-M shock system is a universal self-propelled tracked remote-controlled platform.
The universal platform was developed at the NITI Progress (Izhevsk) by order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

The cost of the project was estimated at 270 thousand UAH (11 thousand USD).
Until 28.11.2015, 149 individuals donated money to this project.
During this time, 198 thousand hryvnia (8 thousand USD) was collected.
After that, the fundraising was stopped due to the artist’s fault, and the funds collected for the construction of a folk tank were redirected to finance other popular projects.

A tank to build is not an ass to buy.
All this would be funny if it were not so sad.
They say they learn from mistakes.
I propose to learn from the mistakes of others.

The production of drones is troublesome and expensive.
Far from every state with a developed production and economy can afford their development and production.
From the report of analysts of the company "Forcast International" I learned that the cost of the production of unmanned vehicles and their service - this is not all.
Almost as much need to spend on research and development: research and development, developmental work, technological work.
The same report says that in the period of 2014 – 2023, only the US UAVs will spend 25,3 billion dollars, Israel 2,2 billion, all European countries - 1,9 billion.
Their development should not be engaged in self-taught, they should not be produced on a whim and from scrap materials.
And no loud statements like '' 300 tanks per month - easy! ”.

An example from personal practice.
During the year I had the opportunity to work side by side with the development team.
The guys are developing software for the civilian market.
For several years in a row, they have supported one investment project (Forex).
The product is constantly supported by a team of specialists of a different profile specially formed for this project, including: project manager, software architect, analyst, engineer, programmers.
And programmers of this level, for whom the status of the Zend Certified Engineer is not just words, but a personal certificate in a box on the wall.
During the week, programmers write updates, then a team of testers checks the updates on the test server, after which the updates are uploaded to the “combat server” and tested again.
Dozens of updates every week. And so from month to month, for several years. Hundreds of man-hours and thousands of dollars every month just for the support and development of the product.

And then - Ukrainian self-made and one programmer decided to donate donations from retirees and housewives to collect cheap counterparts from the MAARS military robots of the Talon Robot and Platform-M defense project.

This concludes the series of articles on Ukrainian combat robots.
I conceived this material as a short article with curiosities, but it turned out a whole journalistic investigation.

I brought all the data that I managed to find and gave you food for thought.
I would appreciate your additional information and comments.

Thank you for attention!
The end.

In Lviv, IT specialists manufactured a mini-tank for reconnaissance (18 Sep. 2015)

Radio-controlled mini-tank for ATO fighters (Gennady Nichiporuk people's tank.)
Photos used: lvovi-rozrobili-radiokerovanij-vsjudihid .html

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  1. Teberii
    Teberii 21 July 2016 13: 27
    It already looks better than its counterparts. Although these Samodelkins are already bored.
  2. takeoff
    takeoff 21 July 2016 13: 31
    Whatever the child amused, if only on the Maidan was not going to
  3. Fire
    Fire 21 July 2016 13: 39
    Not bad, but one detail is missing VANTUZA hi and special signals.
    1. Fregate
      Fregate 21 July 2016 13: 41
      Quote: Fire
      Not bad, but one detail is missing VANTUZA

      And the inscriptions "Bandera". "Bandera will come, put things in order."
  4. hirurg
    hirurg 21 July 2016 13: 39
    And how many more parts will there be? Direct some kind of series.
    1. ohtandur
      ohtandur 21 July 2016 14: 53
      for inattention I put a minus.
  5. dsm100
    dsm100 21 July 2016 13: 41
    The miracle of technology has been done again. Not otherwise than according to the drawings from the magazine "Technology of Youth" .... or the magazine "Murzilka"
  6. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 21 July 2016 13: 49
    Well, I don’t even know what to say ... You can see the dill directly translated into Ukrainian the famous phrase that the state can be controlled by a cook, only the author of this saying came under decommunization, as well as the ideas of home-grown tank builders.
  7. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 21 July 2016 13: 59
    Additional armor increased the total weight of the machine on 60 kg.
    Field tests of the mini-tank revealed a reduction in the power density of the power plant *.
    The increased weight increased the load on the undercarriage components and reduced its reliability.

    Yes, how would it be common truths, it was not immediately clear?
  8. ohtandur
    ohtandur 21 July 2016 14: 51
    And here - Ukrainian home-made and one programmer

    Hi Michael! wink in general, I was waiting for something such a caustic deployed about the programmer from Part 2 fellow But you talked about the experience of the web application development team. This is probably why you compared the skills of this lad at the level of PHP, MySQL and jQuery laughing . Although I wrote right there that the knowledge of PHP turns out to be different and some have the nominal framework of the Zend engineer))) I want to tell you that, despite the description of the project’s work for the web application (it pleased, honestly, everything is right good ), you are not quite right comparing with pyshnikov repeat ... Jquery and PHP are completely unsuitable for creating even such a "hand-picked" device. negative ))) This programmer should know at least the C language, well, maybe Assembler (is there another question), but in the world of programmers this is hierarchically higher than web programming hi . This is all like a remark. Because in everything else you are right about the amount of testing, and the costs, and the unreliability. Regards, former employee hi
    1. Mister X
      22 July 2016 14: 54
      Quote: ohtandur
      Hi Michael!

      Hi, Dimych!
      Yesterday was busy and could not answer.

      Quote: ohtandur
      pleased, honestly, everything is correct

      I write about what I know and do not invent.

      Quote: ohtandur
      This programmer must know at least the C language, well, maybe Assembler

      I assumed that this software is not written on the fly.
      After all, you wrote an adviser for Forex in MQL.
      I also wanted to say that the possession of only these technologies is not enough, as well as the level of knowledge.

      Quote: ohtandur
      for the rest, you are right about the amount of testing, costs, and unreliability.

      So I at least something, but mastered.
  9. engineer74
    engineer74 21 July 2016 14: 51
    I read it with curiosity, but I killed the conclusion: nefig handicraftsmen compete with the leading military-industrial complex without money! And for the sake of this 4 (FOUR) article? what
    Thanks to the author, of course, but his energy would be, for peaceful purposes ... smile
    1. ohtandur
      ohtandur 21 July 2016 14: 59
      yeah, about the energy to the point)) But! But reasoned and scientific method so as not to be unfounded. Respect for that. Although .. the articles are still more about "Basilio and Alice" than about the fact that the artisans cannot, in principle, do something at the level of the military-industrial complex.
  10. Prisoner
    Prisoner 21 July 2016 15: 54
    Your deeds are wonderful, O Lord! These maydanut comedians do not even need to fight, the main thing is not to interfere. And they will safely kill themselves. It's a shame that quite decent Ukrainians due to such dEbils can be raked by accident.
  11. Berkut24
    Berkut24 21 July 2016 16: 01
    Through all the articles in this cycle, the main idea is heard: "I WILL KILL YOU, GIRLER"!
    1. Mister X
      22 July 2016 14: 56
      Quote: Berkut24
      Through all the articles in this cycle, the main idea is heard: "I WILL KILL YOU, GIRLER"!

      No, he himself will run into his cutlet.
      The main thing, as written above - do not interfere with such as he.
  12. Rosinmn
    Rosinmn 21 July 2016 17: 58
    Thanks to the author of the article for the work! I would like to read an equally scrupulous survey study on the available developments of small self-propelled vehicles, military and non-military. With a comparative table of characteristics Power / weight, payload, distance traveled, ground pressure, the number of degrees of freedom in the aimed weapon, the composition of "eyes, ties and ears", cost ..

    The intelligence robot is very noticeable progress, judging by the appearance. I think that the money raised has been spent on business. Masters did well.

    All do-it-yourselfers (almost all) are characterized by a reassessment of their capabilities, an understatement of terms, cost. By the time of delivery, a stalemate occurs. It seems that the master worked tirelessly, but he turned out to be to blame. And convulsive attempts to get out of the situation begin. I would not blame deceit, not knowing the facts.
    1. Mister X
      22 July 2016 15: 02
      Quote: RosinMN
      Thanks to the author of the article for the work!

      Thank you for rating, Mikhail Nikolaevich!

      Quote: RosinMN
      I would like to read the same scrupulous survey study on the existing developments of small self-propelled military and non-military vehicles.

      Unfortunately, this is not my plan yet.

      Quote: RosinMN
      The robot intelligence is very noticeable progress, judging by the appearance.

      I agree.

      Quote: RosinMN
      begin convulsive attempts to get out of the situation. I would not blame fraud without knowing the facts.

      Also agree.
      Time will tell...
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 21 July 2016 18: 57
    And then - Ukrainian self-made and one programmer decided to donate donations from retirees and housewives to collect cheap counterparts from the MAARS military robots of the Talon Robot and Platform-M defense project.

    The result of reforms in the economy and industry, there are no institutes in the country, and there is no desire to engage in production, I quickly saw the main goal.
    Well, and as regards the creation of robots directly, this is a good thesis for a group of first-class engineers. And you need to start with a piece of paper, there is a problem from the first to the last bolt.
    1. Mister X
      22 July 2016 15: 08
      Quote: APASUS
      And we must begin with a sheet of paperman, there is a problem from the first to the last bolt.

      Do we need such machines in the war?
      I think that we should start with the analysis and planning.
      In the face of intense opposition, the telecanny is practically useless even for occasional use.
      As evidenced by their extremely limited use for many decades.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 22 July 2016 18: 28
        Quote: Mister X
        But are such cars needed in the war? I believe that we should start with analysis and planning.

        I think we are following the path of robot warfare.
        Quote: Mister X
        In the face of intense opposition, the telecanny is practically useless even for occasional use.

        For this, there are closed communication channels and high-speed digital information transfer systems. Once again I repeat that this work can be attributed to the category of toys and nowhere else!
  14. minus
    minus 21 July 2016 19: 26
    The minus article is about nothing ... essentially nothing has been written, it is only a reprint of information from the Ukrainian media ....
    VOENOBOZ 21 July 2016 21: 38
    Why didn’t they hang the flag?
  16. Machete
    Machete 21 July 2016 22: 24
    In the fifth part there will be robots from the children's constructor?
    1. Mister X
      22 July 2016 05: 06
      Quote: Machete
      In the fifth part there will be robots from the children's constructor?

      The fifth part will not be.
  17. sgapich
    sgapich 21 July 2016 23: 41
    Translated until the first paragraph:

    “We, the team of developers of the Lviv mini-tank, were pleasantly surprised by the information that was recently disseminated in the media. About our work and its results. In this connection, I would like to convey reliable information to the public, and therefore we are addressing a letter to the journalist to the community and to everyone who may be interested. To understand this situation and invite you to visit our production, evaluate the results of two years of activity, draw conclusions and convey this to people. "

    Well, how come)
    1. Mister X
      22 July 2016 15: 10
      Quote: sgapich
      Translated until the first paragraph:

      Thank you!
  18. mlad
    mlad 22 July 2016 09: 38
    Delusions arise in the minds of people around the world, but in Ukraine with the investment of real money in these ideas everything is fine. And tanks for urban battles, an analogue of Armata, drones are the best in the world. Yes, I forgot about the production of the fighter. It's a shame that the country is turning into a country of fools.