Scouting robot for the ATO zone. Part of 2

This is a continuation of the article about robot- scout. The first part is located HERE.

The first tank. Artists - to the front.

11 November on the square in front of the Lviv Opera House presented a reconnaissance tank.
He will be handed over to the fighters of the 24 Mechanism Brigade *, who are sent to the ATO zone.
* 24-I Iron them. Prince Danila Galitsky separate mechanized brigade. (author's note)

The guys in the red T-shirts are volunteers of the joint initiative of the public organizations “Helping the Army of Ukraine” (Supplementing the Army of Ukraine).
It includes about ten public organizations.

Programmer Mikhail Komarnitsky (Mikhailo Komarnitsky).
He claims that he developed the robot control program himself and talks about the process.

Mishan!
Let me call you that, for my niece is your age.
You are young, which means you have little experience.
It is unlikely that among your personal achievements were high-loaded projects of similar subjects.
Most likely, your skills are as follows: intermediate level PHP, MySQL and JQuery. At best, LAMP stack.
Plus knowledge of one framework and one of the most popular CMS: WordPress, Joomla or Bitrix.
As an additional skill - a pumped account in the simulator Tanks Online.

I also had something to do with software development.
Read my opinion at the very end of my article (An example from personal practice).

The interface of the robot control system.

The director of the Lviv Opera House was present at this event and also gave an interview.
And why not give? Army assistance is a sacred cause.

On the website of the Lviv Opera House it was reported:

* 49 thousand hryvnia - more than 3 thousand US dollars. (author's note)

The first tank at the site.
The next day, 12 November, 2014, the note “Ukrainian robots are preparing to fight in the Donbas” was published.
I enclose photos and videos from field tests.

The fighters are preparing to mount on the robot a tank version of the Kalashnikov machine gun.
Pay attention to the number of cameras.

Ground Testing. Shooting from PKTM.
Pay attention to the box for the machine gun belt.

Ground Testing. Shooting from PKTM (video).
I wonder how the operator aims and where to attach the box for the tape?

18 December 2014 on the website of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine published a short note about the reconnaissance tank.
The note says that the tank passed the tests and, together with the next unit, went to the ATO zone.

Now we know from an official source that the height of the tank hull is about 50 cm and it weighs about 50 kg.

I did not manage to find more detailed technical characteristics of the mini-tank.
A long search on the Internet gave me this phrase:
Yak povdomiv volunteer Vіtalіy Makuh, technical characteristics of the mini-"tank" is classified.
Well, it is right that they are classified. Military secrets - the thing is ...

Photos of the reconnaissance tank from the site of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.

The further fate of the tank for the 24-th mechanized brigade is unknown.
After the scandal about the second tank had ripened, hurray-patriotic materials began to be deleted with puppy delight.
Opera House also deleted his note.

404 Error. The page was not found, but the address remained.
Pay attention to the address bar in the upper left corner of the photo.

I am truly sorry for the director of the theater.
Not by itself, probably, uncle. To live to gray hair and get into such a scrupulous situation.
Just like in the stories of O'Henry, in which the “Noble rogue” was thinking of starting to collect donations for the construction of a battleship in the city of Eureka Springs *
(* resort away from the sea)


To be continued ...

Materials used:
wartime.org.ua/14728-ukrayinsk-volonteri-peredali-armyi-pershiy-robotizovaniy-udarniy-kompleks.html
www.pohlyad.com/news/n/66860
svidok.ua/ru/news/article/2263-u-lvovi-rozrobili-radiokerovanij-vsjudihid
rian.com.ua/society/20160525/1010536374.html
mail-service.uaprom.net/about_us
nutmore.com/25829-smi-ukrainskiy-sozdatel-bespilotnogo-tanka-obmanul-zakazchikov-full.html
nevskii-bastion.ru/platform-m/
www.bbc.com/ukrainian/ukraine_in_russian/2015/02/150206_ru_s_peoples_tank_project

Comments

[Vend]

And where are the flags? Without flags of Ukraine is not supposed

[bubalik]

Vend (2) RU  Today, 13: 31

And where are the flags?

,,, taboo flags, but suddenly beguiled ,,

[Ami du peuple]

Why the second part? With the first, we laughed here, and a joke repeated twice ceases to be funny.

[Mister X]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Why the second part?

I dug a lot of information and in 1 part of it all did not fit.
I had to cut into 4 parts, by the number of episodes.

Quote: Ami du peuple

a joke repeated twice ceases to be funny.

I prepared this material not for the sake of laughter, but in order to learn from the mistakes of others.
I believe that the development of military robotics should not engage in self-taught, and they should not be produced on a whim and from scrap materials.

[bubalik]

Mister X RO  Today, 13: 59I prepared this material not for the sake of laughter, but in order to learn from the mistakes of others.

,,,thank

[Comrade Schucher]

Quote: Mister X

I prepared this material not for the sake of laughter, but in order to learn from the mistakes of others.

I believed that only the Russians are pissing off such "cogs" and "shpuntikov" from Svidomistan, but as can be seen in other states, the rzhaka over them is louder and louder.

The level of crafts - the district palace of pioneers, a circle of young technicians, the age group of 12-14 years.

ps Mister X don’t be shy that it amused you, laughter is not a crime.

[Mister X]

Quote: Comrade SCHUKHER

seen in other states rzhaka over them louder and louder.

We are all Soviet and this rzhak at the level of hysteria.
To what extent the people from the former USSR were driven first by the glasnost of Gorbachev, and then by the "independence" of the republics, dependent on the West, and finally by European values.
And how to help them come to their senses?

[AnpeL]

The legs from chairs are used as a hinged one for this ukrobroneyuhrena (pay attention at the top of the photo). I remember in the school building the same chairs were ... 15 years ago. well, if there is still metal, now they are made of powder.

[Good cat]

Yes, even build from plywood! They themselves do not understand how wretched it all looks?

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Mister X

I prepared this material not for the sake of laughter, but in order to learn from the mistakes of others.

- Funny and miserable to nausea. If you hate, then hate with all your heart, hate to the last breath! And these, with all their fierce rogue hatred, are digging everything that is possible, speculating even on patriotism. With this wretchedness of their minds, they do not understand that their beloved nenko will simply have to fall apart, which she does.

[WKS]

The further fate of the tank for the 24-th mechanized brigade is unknown.

Apparently upon arrival at the ATO, the tank immediately surrendered to the Donetsk militia.

[Mister X]

Quote: wks

Apparently upon arrival at the ATO, the tank immediately surrendered to the Donetsk militia.

On the way, they could lose it or break it: turbulent times.
But the fate of another car is known. About this in the next part.

[vodolaz]

Chinese cameras, Chinese spotlights))) Already the Chinese video eyes put in tanks))))

[Andrey Yuryevich]

why am I not clever for them ...? it’s like looking at a very sick brother, D.A.U.A. and probably ... it’s funny and painful, and not clever ...

[Observer2014]

Scouting robot for the ATO zone. Part of 2

What, a longer extension cord hitched ?!

[hirurg]

My nephew has a semblance of this, on the radio control.)))

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Observer2014

What, a longer extension cord hitched ?!

She ... changed two 4,5-volt Planet flat batteries for one 9-volt "crown".
In general, I immediately recall the Soviet toy "tank" (from the series "assemble it yourself).

[bubalik]

,,, here it is life ,,

[sever.56]

That's really really: - "Epper Theater" ...
Apart from wild laughter, this "creation" of Ukrainian geniuses of robotics cannot evoke. Touches the sight of all sorts of blue and yellow wires. There was no way to hide. The first images show a fucking cloud of cameras. On the next - one. You can see the residents of the house, from which the "inventors" slammed surveillance cameras and demanded a return under the threat of general massacre. And the bilsh chambers - nema ...
And the video, where the "super-robot" shoots, and next to a box with a machine-gun belt is generally a masterpiece !!! The "inventors" apparently forgot to clarify one detail - THE SECOND NUMBER RELIES TO THE ROBOT, loading and bringing boxes with machine-gun belts "cyborkh" ...
Liquid armor for "cyborgs" and "prombergs" is also developed by geniuses - self-taught ... !!!

[Krsk]

and they have half of the country with unmanned skull boxes there

[Vadim237]

Rather, wind-driven skull boxes.

[Teberii]

We placed it where you can use outdoor surveillance cameras. From a force of 50-30 meters. All this is more like mockery of a big game, a game in war.

[LEVIAFAN]

I again remember ... such a chest will drive up to you and so with a metallic voice: "I need your clothes", and then sadly, "Can't you throw it to the border?"

[lysyj bob]

It had to be put on a par with those "cars" in the first photo in the background.

[pavelty]

All this is ridiculous, of course, if it had not been so sad ... It seems like sane people, I really can’t understand, is this a disease? Is something moving in the brain? How old is the theater director? He was born and raised in the Union, what is in his head ??
This makes no sense...

[Monos]

What, however, aggressive opera figures in Ukraine. And how they are not afraid.

[kolkulon]

And the cameras are like the eyes of a robot Valley

[Russian]

Hochma, a pile of metal.

[Leonid Har]

Cameras from the Chinese car DVRs put or what?

[darksoul]

IR illumination of 4 powerful LEDs .... halogen vie .... bali .... well, I still understand on the tower, a video camera with an IR subnet of 30 meters was also installed, but 3 cameras in front ... well, Christmas trees ... . would have pushed the panorama .. current not as in the figure but with pre-switching amplifiers ... clowns

[avg-mgn]

Quote: Mister X

I believe that the development of military robotics should not engage in self-taught, and they should not be produced on a whim and from scrap materials.

I fully agree. A series of materials about the so-called robots and robotic complexes has already passed on VO, with beautiful photos. A number of them just caused a smile, others laughed at others. True, a number of members of the forum found something in them that they admired and called - rather into a series, faster into the troops ...! But in fact, everything was self-made, absolutely raw and ill-conceived, collected on his knees from what came to hand. There are very few exceptions, I would like to mention Platform-M and, perhaps, the Uranus series, and there are many questions there.

[Mister X]

Quote: avg-mgn

There are very few exceptions, I would like to note "Platform-M"

I wrote about the attempt of the Ukrainians to clone the Platform-M complex in the 4 part.
Продолжение следует ...

[Machete]

handicrafts of the children's handful "skillful hands" are passed off as super robots.
Heh ...

[Bort radist]

In the distant 1970s, there were no video cameras, but on the undercarriage, in the Modelist-designer club, the boys did no worse under the guidance of fans of teachers. Tanks, ships and even submarines.

[Mister X]

Quote: Bort Radist

in the Modelist - designer circle, the boys did no worse under the guidance of the teachers' fans.

And in 80's too.
I remember our school military instructor led such a circle.
Showed a car with a gear from the gears from alarms.
She pulled heavy metalworking clutches from her workbench.

[thorns]

And who did this Lviv Bender gather around him? Mayor, Opera Director ... Are they specialists? In my business, yes. May be. And in robotics? but it looks like it is a "New Vasyuki" tracked. I robbed, shared the profit with the ATOs, so that they would be in the share and go to the promised land. Article plus.

[Mister X]

Quote: Thorn

And whom did this Lviv Bender gather around him?

In the first part I wrote about it:

According to Rostislav Pasechnik, about 50 people were involved in the development of a combat robot.
These are enterprises, scientists, energy.
Were used production facilities of LLC VEEM Metallavtoprom (production of passenger seats for public transport and metal work: laser cutting of metal, metal bending).

The engine and a special gearbox for the tank were developed at Elektrobytpribor OJSC (50 has been on the market for household washing machines for years).

He took part in the development and the university "Lviv Polytechnic" (the oldest technical educational institution of Ukraine).

[ksv36]

Quote: darksoul

IR illumination of 4 powerful LEDs .... halogen vie .... bali .... well, I still understand on the tower, a video camera with an IR subnet of 30 meters was also installed, but 3 cameras in front ... well, Christmas trees ... . would have pushed the panorama .. current not as in the figure but with pre-switching amplifiers ... clowns

So scary. Straight Serpent Gorynych! And another camera from the anus. So, just in case. Sometimes they are different ...

[HAM]

This "programmer" for a couple of days in the Donbass, and - will write programs about Thumbelina. I really want to show off a "warrior of light" ........

[Mister X]

I do not believe that yesterday's student of the Lviv Polytechnic himself wrote this software.
Yes, even in such a short period.
Banal online store if you write from scratch develop more than one month, and here - software for military needs.
Well guys released Beta version.
And any beta version must still be tested, then constantly dopilivat and modify.
This is the constant work of the development team and hundreds of man-hours per month.

[76SSSR]

Well, cho!) I would have suited such a cottage - to plant the beds and keep my mother-in-law in fear.)

[Kondratko]

In pursuit of're coming out-shushpanzer, similar Russian developments, "feel the difference":

http://maxpark.com/community/8/content/4903869

I’d be ashamed, a mailbox with a battery ...

[0255]

How svidomye do not understand the misery of this nonsense?

[sl3]

wheel stool

[Batia]

The director of the opera apparently wanted to sing the aria of Faust-PEOPLE DIE FOR METAL.

[Maks-80]

Thanks to the author!

[t shurik]

I cooked you from what it was !!!

[Army soldier2]

I hope the scientific thought in Ukraine will not wither. There was an armored boat, now a "robotic" tank. If you strain your brains and put this "tank" on that boat, you get almost a large landing ship. And, while "Hetman Sagaidachny" has problems, to participate in NATO exercises.

[bk316]

It's funny, of course, but not so long ago, ICBMs and Mriyas were doing there.
Only the country was not called Ukraine ...

[Abdullainen]

threatening tank in quiet weather ...

[Rosinmn]

The worst thing about this robot is the comments on the article.

Let me remind you that Mozhaisky made his plane 30 years before aerodynamics appeared. He was not an engineer, there were no engineers then. There was no such specialty. He didn’t fly because he didn’t have money for provba the second, third… tenth time. And the theory that wings should be long has not yet been developed. Lilienthal had flown even earlier. He was also an amateur. (By the way, aerodynamics still uses Lilenthal polars) Go to the museum on Baumantskaya in Moscow, there is a Lilienthal glider made of "twigs and rags" hanging there. This glider raised the thought of N.E. Zhukovsky, and Zhukovsky created the theory of the aircraft. Yakovlev, Antonov, Sikorsky began to build air machines by young enthusiastic guys. I can imagine what a hail of ridicule accompanied them and their "poor" designs.

The trouble with Russia is that there is no system for involving self-made people, inventors in organized circles, research groups with financial assistance from the state. The current leaders of the state are completely far from science and mental labor, unerudized. In society, there is absolutely no vector for innovation, for progress ...

I once suggested discussing an energy-saving house at a specialized forum, I gave the simplest calculations for cost-effectiveness ... What I just did not hear enough about. Not a single post per se. No one! Participants - 100% shit throwers.

Only a keen boy can make a great designer! It is necessary to invest money in them, and not in "specialists" from Rusnano. And society needs to turn its energy into a constructive channel, and not into a competition in causticity.

For reference, I will say that most of the voters are people who are charmed, excited, euphoric, captivated by the seduction ("charm") of the idea that illuminated them. It is difficult with them, they are stubborn and limited. Such people turn to me (the inventors of perpetual motion machines are especially persistent). There is another category - homemade hard workers. But they need help financially, technically and morally so that they overcome the third stage. I wrote about the essence of the stages in the comments to the first article.

My evaluation of the robot - a great thing has been done. But without the third stage of many years, this great thing will be in the trash. And if we, in Russia, do not understand this, then we will remain in the technological trash of civilization. Yes, we can put all our efforts and resources into breakthrough directions: the first nuclear-powered icebreaker, the first satellite, the largest aircraft and even achieve the best piece-wise results, but in tens of thousands of things we will be a backward third-rate country.

[Mister X]

Thanks for the well-informed comment.

Quote: RosinMN

Let me remind you that Mozhaisky made his plane for 30 years before the advent of aerodynamics.

Quote: RosinMN

Lilienthal flew even earlier.

Quote: RosinMN

Yakovlev, Antonov, Sikorsky began to build aircrafts with young enthusiastic lads.

Absolutely agree. The list of self-taught enthusiasts can be continued for a long time.

Quote: RosinMN

I once offered to discuss at a specialized forum energy-efficient home

I once called the Copyright Agency and asked if they knew how to apply to the Guinness Book of Records.
(at that time I thought that I was the fastest to assemble computers).
I directly sent to the madhouse.

Quote: RosinMN

Only a keen boy can make a great designer! It is necessary to invest money in them, and not in "specialists" from Rusnano.

Invest in everybody?
After all, there are only a few potential inventors who are inventors of "perpetual motion machines".
My friend 15 has been besieging everyone with the idea of ​​a win-win lottery for years.
Should he also be given a bag of money?

Quote: RosinMN

The trouble of Russia is that the system of involving homemade craftsmen and inventors in organized circles and research groups with the financial assistance of the state is not built.

I fully agree, and not only Russia.
And in such circles "natural selection" will take place: someone will lose interest in a week, someone will become a good specialist, and only one in the entire history of the section will become a Great Designer.
In Soviet times, young technicians, chemists, radio technicians, glider pilots at schools and palaces of the pioneers, DOSAAF schools, and other necessary organizations contributed to this.

Quote: RosinMN

And if we, in Russia, do not understand this, then we will remain in the technological dustbin of civilization.

Your truth.
But all our discussions rest on traditional questions: Who is to blame? What to do?
And really, who is to blame and what to do?

[Passer]

Everything is correct, but one thing:
From a "keen boy", enlarged by the creation of devices for the destruction of their own kind, a "great inventor" is unlikely to come out. But the great killer is easy.
In addition, military equipment does not tolerate amateurs, the price of reckoning, on the front line, for the mistakes of such "designers" is too high.

[Mister X]

Quote: Passer

From a "keen boy", enlarged by the creation of devices for the destruction of their own kind, a "great inventor" is unlikely to come out. But the great killer is easy.

What do you think: Alfred Nobel, the great inventor or the great killer?
After all, he invented dynamite for the extraction of ore and coal, as well as the uprooting of the stumps of ancient trees.
But dynamite was widely used in military affairs, and it was also used for criminal purposes.
Nevertheless, Alfred Nobel and his father were awarded the Gold Medal of the Swedish Academy of Sciences.
So who is he, Nobel: an inventor or a murderer?

[Passer]

Quote: Mister X

So who is he, Nobel: an inventor or a murderer?

The question is good, there is still no definite answer.
But I'm not talking about that, Alfred Nobel

Quote: Mister X

invented dynamite for mining ore and coal, as well as rooting out stumps of centuries-old trees

although, perhaps, there, too, not everything was so unequivocal.
These homemade products are invented for the solution of very specific combat missions and for the destruction of specific people. Invention is good, but in this case the goal is bad. The combat value of this apparatus is highly questionable, but the velikoukry once again demonstrated how much they hate the Russians, that they are ready to spend their personal money and time on creating such nonsense, which should be in the ATO, to "destroy the separatists."
Although, it seems to me, in this case, stupidly: cut the dough.

[Mister X]

Quote: Passer

The combat value of this apparatus is highly questionable, but the velikoukry once again demonstrated how much they hate the Russians, that they are ready to spend their personal money and time on creating such nonsense, which should be in the ATO, to "destroy the separatists."

For the sake of objectivity, I want to note that at all times and in all countries there have been dreamers who offered miracle weapons.
Vyacheslav Shpakovsky writes about this in his articles:

Military projects and searchlights
http://topwar.ru/73416-voennye-proekty-i-prozhekty.html#comment-id-4405724

Comrade Stalin, I offer you power over the world.
http://topwar.ru/53077-tovarisch-stalin-ya-predlagayu-vam-vlast-nad-mirom.html

Quote: Passer

Although, it seems to me, in this case, stupidly: cut the dough.

In this case, the game is not worth the candle.
The combination is too complicated, and the project sum is too small (7 thousand dollars).
It was just that the team of amateurs really wanted to, but could not complete what they had begun.
Although I am in the 4 part, I describe the new Beekeeper platform.
It seems to be already in the metal, but the tests continue.
The general public has not yet demonstrated.
So a new round of development is possible.

[Mister X]

Quote: RosinMN

Only a keen boy can make a great designer! It is necessary to invest money in them, and not in "specialists" from Rusnano.

Today I watched a report about the educational center for gifted children "Sirius".
The winners of Olympiads from all over the Russian Federation get there.
The center operates 1 for a year and already 6600 students have been trained.
Details on the official site https://sochisirius.ru/

[YGV-97219]

Particularly impressed with the shooting video with a box for tape on the ground!

[YGV-97219]

Oh! Another title! Well! Serving the working people!

[Mister X]

Quote: yugv-xnumx

Another title! Well! I serve the working people!

Congratulations, artilleryman!
And when served in Hungary - in what rank were you?

[YGV-97219]

82-84 Kishkunhalash fighter-anti-tank division Reserve of the commander of the Kecskemet division, gun number MT-12. SERIES!

[Rosinmn]

It is very good that specific questions are being raised.

Quote: Mister X

Invest in everybody?
After all, there are only a few potential inventors who are inventors of "perpetual motion machines".

According to my observations, self-made women all their lives doing something themselves. They have something to show when joining a research group. Projectors are eliminated, let them project in a brainstorming group. It is interesting that two mathematicians from God Zhukovsky and Chaplygin left behind an impressive material inheritance. Maybe this is generally the law? I do not know the biography of other scientists ...

Quote: Mister X

In Soviet times, young technicians, chemists, radio technicians, glider pilots at schools and palaces of the pioneers, DOSAAF schools, and other necessary organizations contributed to this.

I think this is a slightly different thing. All children should be engaged in circle work. Each child should have the opportunity once, twice a week to go to a circle even in a small village. For the state, the costs are very small ...

I meant something else. Semi-paid creative teams.

For example, the inventor’s project is considered by the commission, they give a grant and they feed you free of charge within the grant, you live in the barracks for free, prototypes are made for you according to the drawings, even according to the sketches ... Experts in the commission, when allocating a grant, vote on each appeal by name and dial / lose rating for successful / unprofitable projects. For missing valuable ideas, experts also lose their rating ... And applicants, in case of success, pay expenses from their profits, including for past failed applications. Or the state receives a percentage of profit ... In the end, only sensible experts and sensible proposals will remain.

The second way is through existing discussions on online forums. It is very easy to sort homemade and talkers there.

The third way is initiation by the state. a discussion committee on promising topics. Let's say, "Creating an electro-mechanical man to collect cranberries in a swamp" With a large influx, you can create dozens of non-overlapping groups and the result of first brainstorming, and then the design will be wonderful. I'm sure.

What to do? The engine of everything in the world is initiative. In this case, the state. "First there was the word"!

[Mister X]

Quote: RosinMN

the project of the inventor is considered by the commission, they give a grant and within the grant you are fed for free
Experts in the commission in the allocation of a grant vote on each appeal by name and gain / lose rating for successful / unprofitable projects. For missing valuable ideas, experts also lose their rating ...

Very interesting and sensible proposal.
It can be seen you talked a lot about this topic.
Already managed to offer someone from the powerful?

Quote: RosinMN

The second way is the already existing discussions on online forums.

You have already tried to do this.

Quote: RosinMN

The third way is the initiation by the state. committee discussions on promising topics.

Also a good offer.
If it is very rough, it can be implemented like this
https://www.godesigner.ru/pages/howitworks
Competition decisions for a specific project.
There are many participants, but one will win and will receive the full amount.

Quote: RosinMN

"First there was the word"!

what is true is true. We all say much.
Tea does not carry bags ...

But as the Chinese say - A journey of a thousand li begins with the first step.

[Siberia 9444]

Well, now they’ll definitely reach Siberia

[Rosinmn]

Quote: Siberia 9444

It can be seen you talked a lot about this topic.
Already managed to offer someone from the powerful?

No, that’s what occurred to me right away. And to offer? I disbelieved at the top. I have a mathematician friend from Donbass. He found a mistake in the transformation of Hertz. From his calculations, it turns out that in addition to the transverse (of which we know) the magnetic field also has a small longitudinal component of the force. For a good mathematician, checking his calculations is one evening. Wherever he turns, it is useless. Impotence on sanity.

[magician]

, the richest country! it was better to distribute money to pensioners, but they took care of the fate of those who were mutilated in the war. already seen enough on the home-made illiterate schoolchildren. all this is sad. (((