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Recently, the attention of some readers of the Military Review to news notes on state testing and adoption the newest developments of the domestic defense industry complex. The materials on the successful tests of electronic intelligence and combat systems, missile weapons systems, including air defense missile defense systems, individual readers, offended by the scarcity of published information, which for obvious reasons is secreted by the developers themselves, literally require in-depth and comprehensive coverage of the performance characteristics of military equipment.


What is there TTX ... We understand that individual readers who are not particularly worried (or care at all in the form of simple reader interest) the fact of secrecy, it would be interesting to know not only the tactical and technical characteristics of the newest weapons systems, but also "the names passwords, turnout "developers, see the drawings from the design offices and contemplate a full estimate of the cost of creating units of state defense orders.

A few tips irrepressible in their military-technical curiosity readers


In this regard, such readers (do not name names and nicknames) are strongly recommended to apply with similar claims to the developers of technology, to the Ministry of Defense or other competent organizations with a well-prepared scan copy of a passport, certificate of family income, the availability of movable and immovable property, possible romantic connections on the side and likely contacts with foreign intelligence services.

Perhaps, in this case, so irrepressibly interested in comprehensive information on the latest developments in the field of the defense industry of the Russian Federation, the persons mentioned sources will be provided with a full range of information of interest to them with the possibility of delivering those directly to the house ...

PS We are talking about covering information about THE NEWEST developments.
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  1. Vend
    Vend 13 July 2016 14: 03
    -42%
    Disbelief in the silence of one’s country is the root of the problem.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 13 July 2016 14: 06
      +20
      A few tips irrepressible in their military-technical curiosity readers

      Is this a continuation of the previous article? Timely and intelligibly.
      1. GUS
        GUS 13 July 2016 15: 17
        +4
        Is this a continuation of the previous article? Timely and intelligibly.

        Support.
        1. vmo
          vmo 13 July 2016 17: 53
          +4
          With two hands FOR!
          1. Pasha
            Pasha 14 July 2016 13: 21
            +1
            two missiles FOR soldier
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 13 July 2016 16: 47
        -3
        We are talking about covering information about the latest developments.


        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Is this a continuation of the previous article? Timely and intelligibly.

        :) ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))). )))))))))))))
        ... but meanwhile -
        The new Russian bomber will strike a nuclear strike from space
        Moscow, July 13. A hypersonic strategic bomber that is capable of delivering nuclear weapons strikes from space is being developed in Russia. This was announced by the teacher of the branch of the Military Academy of Strategic Missile Forces (Strategic Missile Forces), Lt. Col. Alexei Solodovnikov.

        According to him, according to the idea, the plane will take off from ordinary airfields and patrol airspace, while on command it will be able to go into space and strike from there, including with nuclear weapons, and then return to its airfield.

        A strategic aircraft will have wide capabilities and will be able to reach any point of the Earth in one to two hours, having gone into open space.

        “We attract TsAGI (Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute), because they will have to help with the glider, now we will determine the characteristics of the aircraft. I think that the starting mass will be tons 20 – 25, so that it is shock. It is planned that there will be hypersound on rocket mode, ”said Solodovnikov.

        In addition, by 2020, a prototype engine for a promising aerospace aircraft will be presented. It was developed and tested by the Serpukhov branch of the Peter the Great Strategic Missile Forces Military Academy and will be presented at the Army-2016 international military-technical forum.

        According to Solodovnikov, a dual-circuit engine will be able to work both in the atmosphere and switch to space flight mode without air. Currently, such engines do not exist in Russia.

        Earlier it was reported plans to create a sixth generation unmanned fighter that could go into outer space. It will be constructed in a manned and unmanned version.

        http://riafan.ru/536778-novyi-rossiiskii-bombardirovshchik-naneset-yadernyi-udar

        -iz-kosmosa
        The project already exists ...
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 13 July 2016 17: 00
          +1
          SPS "Fanstream" (FanStream), voiced by TTX:
          speed in the atmosphere - not less than 2000 km / h;
          runway length not more than 1200 m;
          range of at least 7000 km.

          Exit to the suborbite (N approx. 100km) for 5-10 minutes for hypersonic flight.

          http://engine.aviaport.ru/issues/52/page32.html
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 14 July 2016 20: 09
            +5
            thin trolling)))
          2. Rus2012
            Rus2012 14 July 2016 23: 25
            0
            Quote: Rus2012
            project already exists ...

            ... to non-believers -
            Many of you, I believe, have already heard that Russia has begun to create a sixth generation fighter, which will be called upon to become the guarantor of the country's air security for the coming decades.

            I hasten to please - there is already some progress in this direction - the Ministry of Defense intends to present an engine for a sixth generation fighter for the world to see. It is planned to demonstrate the pilot project at the Army 2016 forum, which will take place in September in Kubinka near Moscow.

            And now, information for those who prefer specifics. Before us in all its glory will appear the engine for a promising aerospace aircraft, which has a combined power plant with two operating modes: air - for flying in the atmosphere, and rocket - for near space.

            One of the main features of the future fighter is the ability to fly in near space at hypersonic speeds. Of course, this is not only the merit of the engine, but also of the specific structure of the fuselage of the fighter, but the movement of the device is carried out using the power plant of the aircraft, and, therefore, the main feature in the form of hypersonic speed can be written to the engine’s account.

            At the moment, it is reported that the model passed all the fire tests, and fully confirmed its performance. This was personally stated by the commander-in-chief of the Strategic Missile Forces, Sergei Karakaev.

            It is quite likely (and I would very much like to hope) that soon civil aircraft with similar engines will appear on Earth - this will significantly reduce fuel consumption for flight due to lower air resistance and the need to keep a high "spill" in the power plant. The era of free space flights and excursions is just around the corner, and thanks for this to Russian military engineers and developers. Thanks to their efforts, we are able to compete with the world powers in the space industry, maintain the country's air security at the highest level, and move one step closer to the possibility of free space travel.
            1. Zveruga
              Zveruga 17 July 2016 04: 56
              0
              This is what they will show you at the exhibition.
              There is only a laboratory prototype that has been investigated for almost nine years. The prototype proved to be good and therefore, on the basis of it, they will create a real engine, which will appear by 2020.
        2. Simple
          Simple 13 July 2016 19: 18
          +3
          " already exists"...
          Do you yourself believe in unscientific fiction?
          1. Letun
            Letun 13 July 2016 20: 08
            +2
            Quote: Just
            " already exists"...
            Do you yourself believe in unscientific fiction?

            Lighter, lighter, otherwise you will be declared a spy now lol
            In general, of course, touches are articles with high-profile headlines and empty content, and Moveton appears to be interested in details. They can also write to spies good
            1. Simple
              Simple 13 July 2016 23: 07
              +3
              Quote: Letun
              Lighter, lighter, otherwise you will be declared a spy now

              C'mon, the main thing is not a reliever
              Quote: Letun
              and the Moveton turns out to be interested in the details

              I can not understand you...
              If this is about me, then:
              "We are attracting TsAGI (Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute), because they will have to help with a glider now we will determine the characteristics of the aircraft. I think that the starting mass will be tons of 20-25 so that it is a shock. It is planned that there will be hypersound on rocket mode ", - said Solodovnikov (lieutenant colonel teacher branch of the Military Academy of Strategic Missile Forces (Strategic Missile Forces)
              http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160713/1465167464.html
              "Now we we want to discuss the nuances first, about a year our work will pass, and we will make a scheme, maybe she will be completely different. When will we decide with the circuit, we will do the engine itself. In the second year, that is, in 2018, we will begin to make iron. Maybe I'm in a hurry, and some questions arise, but by the year 2020 "piece of iron" must be working- said Solodovnikov.
              belay
              RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160713/1465183760.html#ixzz4EJyIVyVF
              forgive me ... but with this "Strategic Missile Forces Lieutenant Colonel" pooping next to it is dangerous ...

              Associate Professor of Journalism of Moscow State University: "This year we recruited aliens"
              https://topwar.ru/97957-docent-zhurfaka-mgu-v-etom-godu-my-nabrali-inoplanetyan.
              html
              in my opinion, not only this year, and not only at Moscow State University, and not at the journalism department ..
              1. Letun
                Letun 14 July 2016 07: 18
                0
                Quote: Just
                I can not understand you...
                If this is about me, then:

                No, not about you, this is about some of the articles on this site and about the one under which we are discussing in particular. My opinion is, if you can't write something there, then don't write, but throw a loud headline like "The best in the world has been created in Russia (substitute the necessary one)", but don't give any specifics, it's like in the song of the Mango-Mango group: "We have there are such devices! But we will not tell you about them! "
                And the very idea that spies are trying to spy on something on this site smacks of paranoia. Why go somewhere there, steal technical documentation if you can visit the site "Military Review"? laughing No, you really will have a good laugh fellow
                1. Sharapov
                  Sharapov 14 July 2016 20: 08
                  +3
                  Quote: Letun
                  ma idea that the spies are trying to snuff something on this site smacks of paranoia.

                  In matters of preservation of information classified as state secrets from the ears of others, there can be no paranoia. It’s always better to overdo it ....
                  1. ver_
                    ver_ 15 July 2016 06: 21
                    +2
                    ... yes, God, my God, how many woodpeckers are on the forum, and even with marshal epaulets ...
                  2. boris-1230
                    boris-1230 15 July 2016 22: 21
                    +1
                    In matters of preservation of information classified as state secrets from the ears of others, there can be no paranoia.

                    About half of classified information is provided by intelligence services from open sources.
                    , and the rest has to be obtained illegally. So the words of Comrade Dzerzhinsky are still relevant:

                    1. Do not think.
                    2. If you think - do not say.
                    3. If you think and say - do not write.
                    4. If you think, say, write, do not sign.
                    5. If you think, say, write and sign - do not be surprised
                    Even the ancients said that the longer the tongue, the shorter the mind! hi
                2. Camel
                  Camel 14 July 2016 21: 42
                  +4
                  Letun
                  And the very idea that spies are trying to spy on something on this site smacks of paranoia. Why go somewhere there, steal technical documentation if you can visit the site "Military Review"? laughing No, well, really laughing

                  To reduce the sense of humor, I can report that up to 90% of CLOSED information is collected from OPEN sources, such as, for example, VO. And in fact, it’s strange to read some comments that require you to open "details, prices, terms, contractor" - all this information is closed. You were told that there will be a "superplane" - your business is to believe or not, and not to discuss in the open press its "supernaturalness" or "airplaneness".
                  People who possessed such information gave a non-disclosure subscription - it makes no sense to require details of the project from them, and any speculation is either useless or (if based on the experience of similar developments) harmful to the state.
                  An example is the recent (I don’t remember exactly, but less than 10 years ago) scientist from Novosib who sold either the Chinese, or the Amers OPEN data on some hydrographic parameters - and vividly got the term for espionage. The enemy does not sleep and we do not need to facilitate the collection of information. bully
                  1. ver_
                    ver_ 15 July 2016 05: 48
                    0
                    ..you sho- and fantasize uzhiz man noizha ..
                    ..Man without fantasy, that Kalson without a motor ..
        3. nerd.su
          nerd.su 13 July 2016 20: 47
          -1
          For the fifth generation, the engine has been brought to mind whether or not it is not clear. And here for the sixth already design smile All this is more like an attempt to intimidate the United States and force the negotiations on missile defense and military use of space. In order to prohibit both.
          Well, the Americans do not heed, so we are not weak and create the sixth generation ...
          1. midivan
            midivan 14 July 2016 19: 15
            +2
            Quote: bot.su
            For the fifth generation, the engine has been brought to mind whether or not it is not clear. And here for the sixth already design

            what and what prevents two engines from being engaged at once? It seems to me very right, it’s not worth stopping at what has been achieved
        4. fennekRUS
          fennekRUS 14 July 2016 15: 55
          +3
          Quote: Rus2012
          The project already exists ...

          yes, the dust was shaken off the "Spiral". http://www.buran.ru/htm/spiral.htm
          on that backlog for another half a century you can work
        5. DimanC
          DimanC 15 July 2016 10: 53
          0
          If infa is not a duck about the hyperbomber, then we can assume that PAK DA is just a "cover operation"
      3. Blondy
        Blondy 13 July 2016 23: 14
        +8
        Of course, I support the efforts to shorten the noses of curious readers. But more pressing is the application of efforts to shorten high-ranking languages. For example, who pulled Kiriyenko’s tongue in the Duma regarding the launch of the megawatt nuclear propulsion system (atomic electric dowel) in the year 25 - in the same place, if you do not take into account Soviet developments, in principle, the horse also didn’t roll around, but the United Nations immediately voiced a ban on the withdrawal such settings in space. Was that blah blah blah worth it?
        1. Simple
          Simple 14 July 2016 00: 02
          +3
          Quote: Blondy
          on the other hand, the United Nations immediately voiced the ban on the withdrawal of such settings into space. Was that blah blah blah worth it?

          Well, if only utovovok ....
          and so it seems you ma'am did not read the first report of the Rumsfeld Commission, which was submitted to Congress July 1998 of the year
          http://fas.org/irp/threat/bm-threat.htm

          or have not heard of a seminar on space security and the activities of States in outer space(May 2002 years)- at the initiative of the American Monterey Institute for International Studies.

          or on the 2 resolutions of the UN General Assembly in 200 / 2002 on the prevention of an arms race in outer space. (Toko abstained: USA, Israel and Micronesia)
          Anyway:
          Prometheus is a NASA program that provided for the development of a nuclear propulsion system for spacecraft, which started in 2003 supposedly "closed" ... only Prometheus Project Final Report ', NASA / JPL, October, which is pretty much curtailed, on page 191
          1. Blondy
            Blondy 14 July 2016 22: 45
            0
            Oh, poor thing, have you nowhere else to demonstrate your erudition?
            1. ver_
              ver_ 15 July 2016 06: 58
              0
              ... so humanities ...
      4. ver_
        ver_ 15 July 2016 15: 35
        0
        ..licked well - pit affair-marshal ..
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 13 July 2016 14: 07
      +8
      these are all meticulous enemies who want to learn secrets, and we neither repeat
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 13 July 2016 14: 10
        -30%
        The article is nonsense, who really needs to know, will learn firsthand ...
        1. sgazeev
          sgazeev 13 July 2016 15: 21
          +21
          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          The article is nonsense, who really needs to know, will learn firsthand ...

          I agree that from the FSB investigator EVERYTHING WILL FIND OUT what article, what paragraph and what term. lol
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 13 July 2016 16: 20
            +8
            Quote: sgazeev
            I agree that from the FSB investigator EVERYTHING WILL FIND OUT what article, what paragraph and what term

            There is an assumption that some even in the literal sense may go to sell products and participate in the extraction of materials / raw materials for such technologies (well, there, to mine uranium or to participate in tests by chance)
          2. Mercenary
            Mercenary 13 July 2016 16: 34
            +14
            It’s a pity that the FSB has been releasing Mercedes drivers from this year, and not Russian Intelligence Officers! am
            1. quote
              quote 14 July 2016 18: 44
              +1
              Quote: Mercenary
              It’s a pity that the FSB has been releasing Mercedes drivers from this year, and not Russian Intelligence Officers! am

              Off-topic, but a plus!
          3. Dilshat
            Dilshat 14 July 2016 13: 26
            +1
            Are they those who like to ride gelendvagenes? If at least one snout of a participant in this run is taken to the FSB, for me it will mean that the FSB works against the interests of Russia.
            1. midivan
              midivan 14 July 2016 19: 22
              +1
              Quote: Dilshat
              Are they those who like to ride gelendvagenes? If at least one snout of a participant in this run is taken to the FSB, for me it will mean that the FSB works against the interests of Russia.

              The FSB decided to dismiss a number of FSB Academy leaders and change the conditions of service for its graduates after checking the scandalous race at Gelandewagen in the center of Moscow. The law enforcement agency came to the conclusion that future security officers violated the special requirements for security officials. An expert at Gazeta.Ru believes that graduates can be assigned to less attractive duty stations, but does not exclude that they may be hushed up with the story.
              more in Yandex
              and to hush it was harder to cross the petition Mona yes, there are those who want it? or only blah blah blah for the homeland? wink laughing
            2. Blondy
              Blondy 15 July 2016 13: 45
              +1
              Well, why, have they already distributed over the Urals to the regional branches, taking into account the inclinations: it’s spacious there - there are places to cut through the Gedendwagens without interfering with the movement.
        2. Buffet
          Buffet 13 July 2016 16: 02
          0
          Would be the first mouth. Yes, and right they all lay out to you. laughing
        3. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 13 July 2016 20: 06
          0
          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          The article is nonsense, who really needs to know, will learn firsthand ...


          You know that, but someone does not know. The article also sends for "knowledge" to the primary sources.
        4. ver_
          ver_ 15 July 2016 06: 26
          0
          ... completely in the hole - ask Lavrov and truncated Hockey - everything will become clear and understandable - he will put everything on the "shelves" as in the best houses in Paris and London ..
        5. ver_
          ver_ 15 July 2016 07: 19
          0
          ... to learn about ... and to do something like this - decades in real life and an even greater lag in kind from the leader ..
    3. MuadDib
      MuadDib 13 July 2016 14: 11
      +3
      Uncertainty about the ability of the state to protect its citizens and its borders, if such uncertainty exists at all, is a consequence of other processes. Everyone knows that the media covered.
      1. Stalker.1977
        Stalker.1977 13 July 2016 14: 16
        +2
        Well done well otshili, hidden spies.
        1. DIVAN SOLDIER
          DIVAN SOLDIER 13 July 2016 14: 21
          +3
          Where are the spies ??? On the couch in the computer ?? Spies in embassies sit in parties and other traitors in power ...
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 13 July 2016 14: 26
            +3
            Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
            Where are the spies ??? On the couch in the computer??

            Surely the technology has already reached this? I heard about bookmarks in computers, but about sofas in them ...? belay smile
            1. oldseaman1957
              oldseaman1957 13 July 2016 14: 36
              +4
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              I heard about the bookmarks in the computer, but about the sofas in them ...?
              - An article about the fact that it is not "tsarist" to poke around with a toothpick in technical articles about modern weapons with a higher education.
              Plus deserves it.
            2. unsinkable
              unsinkable 13 July 2016 14: 36
              +3
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              I heard about the bookmarks in the computer, but about the sofas in them ...?

              Shh !!! This is the new most secret development of the superweapon. So far only I and you know about it. Be careful! wink
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            4. ver_
              ver_ 15 July 2016 05: 58
              0
              ... bedbugs are based on sofas ...
          2. Amurets
            Amurets 13 July 2016 14: 43
            +5
            Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
            Where are the spies ??? On the couch in the computer ?? Spies in embassies sit in parties and other traitors in power ...

            In Soviet times, the embassies of capitalist countries, 90% or more collected information from open sources. So think about it. And in Russia there is a good saying << Curious Barbarian's nose was torn off. >>
            1. ver_
              ver_ 15 July 2016 06: 52
              +1
              .. and in ancient times, the "palm" belonged to the Church ..
          3. KazaK Bo
            KazaK Bo 13 July 2016 15: 08
            +3
            DIVAN SOLDIER
            Where are the spies ??? On the couch in the computer ?? Spies in embassies sit in parties and other traitors in power ...

            ... so ... for reference and reflection to some, not moderately, curious - up to 80% of intelligence is taken from open sources in the media ... the rest is already being clarified by specialists of the invisible front ..
            So the article is very necessary and useful!
          4. sgazeev
            sgazeev 13 July 2016 15: 31
            0
            Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
            Where are the spies ??? On the couch in the computer ?? Spies in embassies sit in parties and other traitors in power ...

            How old are you, sweet man? Potentially, anyone can be a person sniffing out secrets of national proportions. Be careful, perhaps one of them lives with you in the same apartment.
          5. SMikhalych
            SMikhalych 13 July 2016 15: 47
            +3
            Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
            Where are the spies ??? On the couch in the computer ?? Spies in embassies sit in parties and other traitors in power ...

            How is it there ... with Vladimir Semyonich Vysotsky ... "I explain popularly - for the ignorant ...": about 80% of confidential information is obtained by special services from ... open sources! This axiom has long been known to people who have ever worn shoulder straps starting with the junior officers.
            The authors of the article correctly put a certain circle of those present in place. Previously, certain information could simply be found out over a beer, but there, at least, you look into the eyes of the questioner and, if you have a head, you can make this or that decision. And with the advent of the Internet, to provoke a controversy in the heat of which 2-3-4 correctly posed questions can lead to the drain of the information you are looking for, as they say, two fingers on the asphalt. So to speak in the test for weak O (you know - you do not know).
            Someone might want to shine with his nonsense and blur out with two or three digits that he once saw in certain papers, heard in a personal conversation, etc. It is completely without a second thought that a signature stamp of one degree or another of secrecy still hangs over these figures.
            And this nonsense, that "who needs it - he will know", like there is nothing to keep quiet, suggests that such subjects have the place where they sit on the sofa instead of their heads.
            Thinking is never harmful, even if patriotism splashes from all sorts of different places. hi
            1. ver_
              ver_ 15 July 2016 07: 04
              0
              ... however schizophrenia ..
    4. Very old
      Very old 13 July 2016 15: 15
      +1
      It seemed to me alone?
      Saying: do not poke where ... etc.
      1. ver_
        ver_ 15 July 2016 07: 12
        0
        ... and therefore, to close this site ".. forever .." - (performed by a tenor) ..
    5. sgazeev
      sgazeev 13 July 2016 15: 19
      -1
      Quote: Wend
      Perhaps, in this case, so irrepressibly interested in comprehensive information on the latest developments in the field of the defense industry of the Russian Federation, the persons mentioned sources will be provided with a full range of information of interest to them with the possibility of delivering those directly to the house ...

      You know less, sleep soundly. lol And then "knock-knock" to the question "who is there?", The answer will be "you do not need a Slavic wardrobe, take better a" disturbing suitcase ". Especially for zealous shipions and curious barbarians. lol
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 15: 30
        +2
        What is there TTX ... We understand that individual readers who are not particularly worried (or care at all in the form of simple reader interest) the fact of secrecy, it would be interesting to know not only the tactical and technical characteristics of the newest weapons systems, but also "the names passwords, turnout "developers, see the drawings from the design offices and contemplate a full estimate of the cost of creating units of state defense orders.

        We still don’t have the right strategy for defense companies, we understand the secrecy and all that, but what prevents us from coming up with the technical characteristics? Let them far from reality and put them on the net?
        No one requires secret information, drawings and reliable performance characteristics. Well, come up with ...
        Just the other day, they talked about the concept of a 6th generation fighter, outlined it, but until all of these concepts are made up of a fantastic prototype until the first flight prototype is made. You can read articles about starships with the same success and imagine how they will fly.
        1. Koshak
          Koshak 13 July 2016 16: 01
          0
          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
          We still don’t have the right strategy for defense companies, we understand the secrecy and all that, but what prevents us from coming up with the technical characteristics? Let them far from reality and put them on the net?
          No one requires secret information, drawings and reliable performance characteristics. Well, come up with ...

          This has been invented for a long time. Everyone firmly believed that the "Calibers" could not fly further than 300 km, and when they used it, it turned out to be good.
          1. Simple
            Simple 13 July 2016 23: 17
            +1
            Quote: Koshak
            that "Caliber" is more than 300 km

            what SPECIFIC "Calibers"?
            and who SPECIFY believed in 300 km?


            ZM-14 on the basis of the strategic nuclear cruise missile 3M10 with a combat radius of 2500 km and the Alpha anti-ship missile contest (ROC Turquoise).
            all this is 1984 And RK-55 / 3K12 / 9A2413 "Relief", the KS-122 rocket is the same, for the same 2500 km

            and RCCs so and so fly on 300 and export ALL to 300
            1. midivan
              midivan 14 July 2016 19: 48
              +1
              Quote: Just
              what SPECIFIC "Calibers"?
              and who SPECIFY believed in 300 km?

              Do you really need names? I don't remember the names, but somehow in the "classmates" I suggested that ours cut the distance a little for the media, oh, if you only heard what I heard (read) in my address d-yatel (eb) the most harmless was laughing and almost laid out the drawings proving that he and 300 km will not fly
              1. Simple
                Simple 14 July 2016 22: 54
                0
                Quote: midivan
                Do you really need names? and

                it's written
                Quote: Just
                which are SPECIFIC

                I'm afraid that comrade KOCHAK does not distinguish between RCC and KR di "straight names" are not very

                Quote: midivan
                "classmates"

                they (classmates) remained at the level of classes, high school, who are threesomes, who are good.
                "cut" well, well
                Quote: midivan
                and almost laid out the drawings proving that he and 300 km will not fly

                why dither then? why "lay out" the drawings?
                RK-55 / 3K12 / 9A2413 "Relief", KS-122 rocket
                "3М10" code "Alpha" (OKR "Turquoise").
                need to watch


                https://www.armscontrol.ru/start/rus/docs/rsmd.htm

                what "classmates"? what "drawings"?
                RIAC + manufacturer ("Novator)": RK-55, ZM-10, ZM-14, "calibers" of all
                Quote: midivan
                names
                + brains (if any).
                truncated
                1. midivan
                  midivan 15 July 2016 08: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: Just
                  I'm afraid that comrade KOCHAK does not distinguish between RCC and KR di "straight names" are not very

                  and I do not distinguish, but not afraid of it smile
                  they (classmates) remained at the level of classes, high school, who are threesomes, who are good.
                  "cut" well, well
                  well, not everyone in professors go smile and you shouldn't literally understand "cut down" (by the way, the problem of the majority here)
                  why dither then? why "lay out" the drawings?
                  RK-55 / 3K12 / 9A2413 "Relief", KS-122 rocket
                  "3М10" code "Alpha" (OKR "Turquoise").
                  need to watch
                  and just look above in brackets ("have" a little sense of humor and there will be no need to write so much smile)
                  what "classmates"? what "drawings"?
                  RIAC + manufacturer ("Novator)": RK-55, ZM-10, ZM-14, "calibers" of all
                  Quote: midivan
                  names + brains (if any).
                  truncated
                  there may be brains, but there is no such knowledge smile and you were not there, there was no one to share and explain the link, if this is not the place here I do not understand how without the "Unified State Exam" they let me here.
                  1. Simple
                    Simple 15 July 2016 15: 21
                    0
                    Quote: midivan
                    and I do not distinguish, but not afraid of it

                    as a rule, the one who distinguishes is "afraid".
                    And if you don’t tell ... what are you afraid of? to the Nexus, he will sing this. You will sleep peacefully
                    Quote: midivan
                    well, not everyone in professors go

                    professors are now like dirt that no one needs.
                    There are no turning milling machines, welders, nor ENGINEERS.
                    The country where the cops get more engineer or teacher ... is "unique"
                    Quote: midivan
                    I don’t understand how they let me in without the "Unified State Exam".

                    as they let me go, they’ll let me out. Ettt doesn't matter
                    1. midivan
                      midivan 15 July 2016 19: 57
                      +1
                      to the Nexus, he will sing such a thing. You will sleep peacefully
                      if you don’t believe me, I’m sleeping so calmly, why am I worried ?, I know my place if something happens, steering wheel or wrenches smile
                      professors are now like dirt that no one needs.
                      There are no turning milling machines, welders, nor ENGINEERS.
                      The country where the cops get more engineer or teacher ... is "unique"
                      well now and time is unique smile and the professor has much more chances to stay alive than the same cop (here the problem is that the cops do not quite match the salary) and the professor is unlikely to face a shahid, for example, unlike the "cop" and their cops are buried much more often than young and believe me, not all are cops
          2. Camel
            Camel 14 July 2016 22: 04
            0
            Lt. Air Force stock
            what prevents to come up with TTX? Let them far from reality and put them on the net?
            No one requires secret information, drawings and reliable performance characteristics. Well, come up with ...

            Koshak
            Everyone firmly believed that the "Calibers" could not fly further than 300 km, and when they used it, it turned out to be good.

            "Status-6" plunged into serious thoughtfulness of our "partners", and what they wanted - information war, she is. And now guess to them - whether "drain", then-whether "misinformation" lol
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 13 July 2016 20: 20
          -1
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve

          We still don’t have the right strategy for defense companies, we understand the secrecy and all that, but what prevents us from coming up with the technical characteristics? Let them far from reality and put them on the net?
          No one requires secret information, drawings and reliable performance characteristics. Well, come up with ...

          A surprise? !!!
          But when something new, and extremely effective, gets banged, it’s a surprise for the people, and an unpleasant surprise for the enemy.
          But if on the contrary, the enemy will know all the performance characteristics and capabilities, then this is a surprise for them, but for us an unpleasant surprise.
          So let everything be done quietly, without too much noise and dust)))
        3. ver_
          ver_ 15 July 2016 16: 23
          -1
          ... the same fiction must be prohibited, there are a lot of nishtyaks ..
    6. Ze Kot
      Ze Kot 13 July 2016 21: 58
      +4
      Quote: Wend
      Disbelief in the silence of one’s country is the root of the problem.



      Here we are talking about secrecy. And if the product is secret, then there is nothing to trynit about it at all. And it’s just been developed yet, and about it already according to all the news ...
    7. Alekseev
      Alekseev 14 July 2016 13: 34
      0
      Quote: Wend
      here is the root of the problem.

      The root of the problem is paraphrasing prof. Preobrazhensky, not in ... disbeliefs, but in the heads.
      In what kind of "smart" head will it climb that the secrets of weapons and military equipment will be shared in the public domain ?! fool
      It is much more useful and also very interesting to master basic knowledge in "entom business"
      Then, for example, it will become clear why the Kharkov 5TDF tank diesel engine is not good, but only very mediocre, for example, V-2 engines have been used for more than 70 years.
      Why can’t you put on the UAZ Toyota Corolla engine, although it is more powerful ... request
      Why the Bulgarians could not make BMP from MTLB, etc., etc., etc. wink
    8. oracul
      oracul 16 July 2016 06: 46
      0
      Do not try to cover up the obvious - those "well-wishers" who are eager to receive classified information for someone, but at the same time try to cover up this interest with "sincere" curiosity and concern for the power of the country.
  2. Yarik76
    Yarik76 13 July 2016 14: 05
    +2
    Everything is clear - we have subordination and length of service!
  3. Evgesh91
    Evgesh91 13 July 2016 14: 09
    +5
    Well, I don’t know ... I’m only interested in the reason that as a whole I am interested in weapons.
    PS to the author all the same respect, for non-generalization
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 July 2016 14: 10
    +5
    No, well, really, they have completely lost their guidelines! Lost regimes of secrecy, secret notebooks, and the fact that the performance characteristics of no weapons could not be disclosed. And then soon we will discuss the features of the technology for the production of explosives from improvised materials laughing
  5. Pereira
    Pereira 13 July 2016 14: 14
    +12
    I am begging you.
    I well remember how in the 80's the thickness of the armor of the T-55 tank was classified for the people of my own country, which the Jews had been chasing for several decades.
    Has anything changed since then?
    Is the author firmly convinced that more detailed data has not yet leaked over the hill? Especially if the new product is many years old.

    Readers' interest is understandable. We are all waiting for a technical and technological breakthrough. Especially considering that sometimes the technique presented as a novelty is not really such.

    In the end, who prevents the article from indicating that the performance characteristics are taken from open sources and are given in full?
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 13 July 2016 14: 22
      +4
      Quote: Pereira
      Is the author firmly convinced that more detailed data has not yet leaked over the hill? Especially if the new product is many years old?

      You generally read the article there at the end in bold: "We are talking about the coverage of information about the NEWEST developments"
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 13 July 2016 14: 27
        -5
        I saw it. But I'm not sure that what is presented as the latest development, in fact, is.
        If it was started during the USSR, then all the information has long been merged.
        1. unsinkable
          unsinkable 13 July 2016 14: 51
          +1
          Quote: Pereira
          But I'm not sure that what is presented as the latest development, in fact, is.

          All authors of articles on the latest developments should be interrogated through the LATEST lie detector, having previously learned that it is the latest on .... Well, etc. yes
          1. Koshak
            Koshak 13 July 2016 16: 19
            +1
            Quote: unsinkable
            All authors of articles on the latest developments should be interrogated through the LATEST lie detector, having previously learned that it is the latest on .... Well, etc. yes

            Or maybe the authors of such articles are the guys from the special services, and they hang spaghetti on the ears of the curious, so that it is disseminated and misled the foes. With the "calibers" how well it turned out. After ours applied them, all NATA had two weeks of fucking.
            1. unsinkable
              unsinkable 13 July 2016 18: 49
              +1
              Quote: Koshak
              that it should be replicated and mislead the adversaries.

              Maybe my friend. But my comment on lie detectors was a joke. It lies on the surface. A colleague who put a minus is completely devoid of a sense of humor. I am sorry for him. hi
        2. Monarchist
          Monarchist 13 July 2016 15: 00
          0
          Field Marshal, in this case, for some reason, the United States maintains the CIA and a bunch of less well-promoted intelligence agencies? "If this was started under the USSR, then all the information has long been leaked." After all, everything starts with something, including electronic warfare
        3. DenZ
          DenZ 13 July 2016 16: 18
          +2
          Quote: Pereira
          If it was started during the USSR, then all the information has long been merged.

          Suppose, that is, if the Soviet Union decided to do, for example, ICBMs, then information about Sarmatia (for example) has already been merged? If I am mistaken and you have a different logic, then give at least one example of development started in the USSR and still not implemented (in that form and with that set of electronics and software units in which it was conceived in Soviet times). And if you do not If you find such examples, you yourself will understand what nonsense you are writing.
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    3. Orionvit
      Orionvit 13 July 2016 16: 35
      +4
      I well remember how in the 80's the thickness of the armor of the T-55 tank was classified for the people of my own country, which the Jews had been chasing for several decades.
      And I remember that in the 80s, while working at defense enterprises, he always gave a non-disclosure agreement with a ban on traveling abroad for at least five years. And the first and fourth departments, they ate their bread for good reason.
      1. DenZ
        DenZ 14 July 2016 09: 50
        +1
        Quote: Orionvit
        And I remember that in the 80s, while working at defense enterprises, he always gave a non-disclosure agreement with a ban on traveling abroad for at least five years. And the first and fourth departments, they didn’t eat their bread for nothing

        Now nothing has changed. Everything is the same.
        1. midivan
          midivan 14 July 2016 19: 56
          +2
          Quote: DenZ
          Now nothing has changed. Everything is the same.

          I willingly believe you, a personal example, a sister has married and now lives in a closed city, a daughter is born, a mother is going to visit, a sister is telling, she is tormented to explain the purpose of the visit and fill out a questionnaire laughing
    4. Simple
      Simple 13 July 2016 23: 21
      -1
      Quote: Pereira
      The author is firmly convinced

      The author wants to show his "significance" and "knowledge" and drive us into the regime of total secrecy under the USSR.
      And what's the point?
      Total secrecy from yourself!

      The Soviet Union stood on two whales, and these whales were constantly biting among themselves worse than dogs in a wild pack.

      The first whale was total secrecy: everything was classified in the USSR, everything in general, and the second whale was total show in everything.

      our "fighters of the ideological front" are asking Thatcher, in their opinion, a win-win question:
      - "Why, while the peace-loving Soviet Union, having signed an agreement with the United States, is reducing its nuclear weapons and, in particular, reducing the number of its nuclear submarines, Britain does not join this noble initiative"?

      To which the Prime Minister of England Thatcher calmly replied:
      "Britain has only 6 nuclear submarines, which is 2,5% of the number of nuclear submarines of the Soviet Union. Therefore, it does not see the need to reduce this minimum number, which can only ensure the safety of Britain, but not enough for an attack on the USSR."

      Baba took it, and just "declassified" everything.
    5. Camel
      Camel 14 July 2016 22: 11
      0
      Disclosure of classified information, even if this information appeared in an open source but the stamp is not removed, is the basis for prosecution under the article "Disclosure of state secrets".
  6. Enoch
    Enoch 13 July 2016 14: 17
    +2
    The less you know, the longer you live.
    1. gg.na
      gg.na 13 July 2016 14: 46
      +1
      Quote: monk
      The less you know, the longer you live.

      And sleep better !!!
  7. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 13 July 2016 14: 20
    +3
    Perhaps, in this case, so irrepressibly interested in comprehensive information on the latest developments in the field of the defense industry of the Russian Federation, the persons mentioned sources will be provided with a full range of information of interest to them with the possibility of delivering those directly to the house ...
    Together with the arrived product. laughing
  8. V.ic
    V.ic 13 July 2016 14: 21
    +5
    Puffer:
    "If you stop evil,
    Take all the books and burn them! "
    A. Griboyedov "Woe from Wit".
    You know less = sleep better! Yezhov understand!
  9. Zomanus
    Zomanus 13 July 2016 14: 27
    +1
    Yes, FIG knows ...
    Maybe full and accurate is not worth giving, but the approximate ones are quite normal in my opinion.
    That would be an understanding of how much better the new technique.
  10. Bramb
    Bramb 13 July 2016 14: 37
    +10
    Author, why so strict?
    Ask me questions about the latest developments!
    In short:
    -Get it? -Get it!
    -Flying? - Fly!
    -Yo * no? -And how!!!
    And TTX is yesterday.
  11. 3 Gorynych
    3 Gorynych 13 July 2016 14: 38
    +4
    DO NOT break your spears - articles for specific trolls, normal read, draw conclusions ... TTX - need specialists.
  12. gg.na
    gg.na 13 July 2016 14: 45
    0
    Article +! There is really nothing to share secret data with anyone on the Internet. There is such a thing as secrecy and it must be respected. What can be laid out (those parameters and performance characteristics that can be laid out) and this is what we need to be content with here! In general, we still have to say thank you that at least something is being given to us for discussion.
  13. Monarchist
    Monarchist 13 July 2016 15: 05
    0
    You could just publish a picture and say "Varvara's nose alone in the bazaar ..."
  14. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 13 July 2016 15: 06
    +3
    The desire to know more and more clearly a certain category of readers, I understand, too lazy to delve into the Internet, the same is clear. IN all the same, a site for communication between people close to the problems of the Army and Navy. But no one forbids you to attend it, ask questions (even if sometimes stupid according to professionals). The community does not need to provoke specialists to lay out some information, and Administration of the site is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
  15. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 13 July 2016 15: 07
    +11
    What is the article about?
    Yes, nothing!
    LATEST DEVELOPMENTS .... does the editorial board of VO have a license to publish these latest developments?
    The FSB and the RF Ministry of Defense are aware and issued permits, clearly outlining the circle of information?
    Нет!
    No and no!
    Then why put "fingers like a fan" here? We will not tell you, and you are not interested either. And if you want to inquire - give out your data so that you can be easily found.
    .
    Some kind of kindergarten, honestly.
    ...
    "Bulletin of Mordovia", a link to which now and then appears here - publishes from right to left the NEWEST, Supernewest, and the most recent ... material.
    And spit on his ceiling.
    Oh bli-and-and-and-n, the wrong country was called Honduras.
    ...
    ...
    And where does the performance characteristics and other characteristics?
    VO publishes TECHNOLOGICAL data, or what? Logistic chains?
    Though kill-up-wall ... but without proven technology you can’t get anywhere. The Chinese are in your hand ...
    ...
    And the States, by the way, and the rest of the blockheads are not shaking from the LATEST performance characteristics and data.
    And because the Russian army is fighting WRONG. Network-centric and green men.
    Please give me the data "green" - two hands, two legs, two eyes .... and the spirit of Russia.
    All performance characteristics.
  16. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 13 July 2016 15: 13
    0
    Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
    The article is nonsense, who really needs to know, will learn firsthand ...

    Where does this affirmative knowledge of the topic come from? Unsubscribe in PM. Plz!
  17. japs
    japs 13 July 2016 15: 33
    +7
    Chatterbox is a godsend for the spy. This is an axiom. Secrecy is a matter for professionals. Sometimes under the guise of information is a thin disinformation. It's no secret either.
    And for the disclosure of state secrets, in fact, there is an article. A normal person who has signed up for a non-disclosure of information known to him from work will not chat.
    They talk mainly hollow brethren, who know nothing, but imagine a lot of themselves.
    I think the article is appropriate.
  18. Signaller
    Signaller 13 July 2016 15: 34
    +3
    The admission form solves this problem, but ... this does not apply to our penates. Really, people just don't know. About all these forms and orders under the heading of ... "Like, don't talk too much." They do not know in principle. Apparently here we have a lot of children hanging around, they are interested in everything. Learn materiel.
  19. Baloo
    Baloo 13 July 2016 15: 35
    +8
    We bow the redhead for financial fraud. It is clear that no one will touch this gidomasson, a member of the Belderbek club. Even when the GDP was asked at a press conference whether it was true that 20 of the 25 American assistants to the main privatizer of Russia were full-time employees of the CIA, the GDP crumpled and somehow inaudibly that it was not typical for him to say: yes, there was some kind of funny story . I myself saw this moment on TV.
    With financial fraud, everything is clear, the Accounts Chamber has repeatedly stated this, but who is listening to it. After all, the redhead does not sit, or rather, does not sit somewhere in the Kolyma.
    I'm interested in something else. But the FSB and the Foreign Intelligence Service checked how many nanotechnologies the red-haired ruined, how many floated across the river through the river and implemented in foreign countries? Has anyone checked this? This is already more serious than theft, here already ...
  20. iwind
    iwind 13 July 2016 15: 36
    +6
    Secrecy is good, but you need to approach this wisely. No one requires combat data or key performance characteristics. But there should be a report to citizens. I like aviation. Why not post some pak-fa reports? It just amazes me that in 5 minutes I can find a car of reports about f-35 in the public domain, not only with positive information (and even more often they focus on problems). And as far as expenses are concerned, everything is generally in the public domain (except Sov. Secret), but what can be traced there for a specific engine, a glider where it is when it was ordered, cost and when it will be installed.
  21. ingenera
    ingenera 13 July 2016 15: 42
    +1
    Even the "voiced" performance characteristics really, a person familiar with technology (especially military), will not believe. Firstly, developers in any country underestimate (or overestimate) the real characteristics. Secondly, during operation, some restrictions are imposed (on overload, speed, charge power, etc.), or vice versa, having studied the "safety margin", they increase the characteristics. Only the developers themselves and the testers can know for sure about this. But they won't tell. laughing
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 15: 47
      +1
      Quote: ingenera
      First, developers in any country underestimate (or overstate)

      It seems that the United States traditionally overstates, while ours underestimates the reported performance characteristics. When Ukraine shot down a Tu-154 flying from Israel with the help of the S-200, the Ukrainian military began to say that the missiles were not capable of flying at such a range according to the performance characteristics, the opposite turned out.
  22. ochakow703
    ochakow703 13 July 2016 15: 57
    -1
    And I think that even the question of more detailed performance characteristics of military products is inappropriate. And we can jiggle as much as we like about "what anyone needs, and so everyone knows," but that's not the case. An example, well, for example, "Khibiny" over Cook, or "Caliber" in Syria. I am sure that if a person is involved in the sun, he will treat this with understanding, but to the rest it may seem that everyone should know everything, and this is far from true.
  23. isker
    isker 13 July 2016 16: 01
    +2
    Quote: Bramb
    Author, why so strict?
    Ask me questions about the latest developments!
    In short:
    -Get it? -Get it!
    -Flying? - Fly!
    -Yo * no? -And how!!!
    And TTX is yesterday.


    “You see,” said one to the other, “what a wheel! what do you think, that wheel will reach, if it happened, to Moscow or not? ” “It will reach,” the other answered. “But I don’t think I’ll get to Kazan?” ““ He won’t reach Kazan, ”another answered. (C)

    Secrets are secrets, but the approach was and remains the same - even what is written over the hill in the local press is "encrypted" for its people! Let's remember all kinds of youth technical magazines ...
    Local bureaucrats "blow for milk" with or without reason, and why "encrypt something" when representatives of the 5th column in any military department are like a boot in a soldier's barracks.
  24. yuriy55
    yuriy55 13 July 2016 16: 07
    +1
    A reminder to those wishing to shine before readers irrepressible in their military-technical curiosity:
  25. gridasov
    gridasov 13 July 2016 16: 15
    -1
    It seems deeply erroneous to consider that in KB or any developer this is an ideal team and knows exactly what it is doing. Therefore, no one will ever be able to put together the last puzzle if you properly manage the information. Only the brain that was given the opportunity to realize everything can know. On the other hand, the developer must be able to monitor all the aggregate information in order to choose the best in their decisions. To do this, you need to use such sites as VO. Naturally, those who gave non-disclosure obligations must accurately and clearly fulfill their obligations. This is the LAW. And the fact that someone asks for something is ridiculous.
  26. Brave Schweik-2
    Brave Schweik-2 13 July 2016 17: 50
    -2
    I'm tired of clicking on the nose "anyhow initiates" for being too talkative! I need to take a hammer, maybe it will be clearer?
  27. vmo
    vmo 13 July 2016 17: 57
    0
    The talker is a godsend, for you know for whom and what! And about Barbara too.Do you want to know, go serve the Motherland !!!
  28. parafoiler
    parafoiler 13 July 2016 18: 24
    0
    The scariest person is the DOSA with initiative. A talker find for a spy. Simplicity is worse than theft. You can go on and on ...
  29. beer-youk
    beer-youk 13 July 2016 18: 25
    +1
    Quote: Pereira
    Especially considering that sometimes the technique presented as a novelty is not really such.


    This is not for us. This is for the Chatting. And on the main topic ... From experience I know that the performance characteristics of any technique (from garden scissors to spaceships) are most intrusive of all those who do not have the slightest idea of ​​the scope of their application. For the sole purpose of showing your erudition. And maybe hysterical: "In this country, everything is kept secret !!!"
  30. Pencil
    Pencil 13 July 2016 19: 05
    +1
    I don’t need secrets. But tell me, how did our helicopter fly off at a speed of 500 km / h? The deadlines have passed.
  31. ovod84
    ovod84 13 July 2016 19: 20
    0
    I used to be one of these, but gaining experience became a little better. Thank you for the article
  32. t118an
    t118an 13 July 2016 19: 23
    -2
    I wrote in the article "Warhead: what is inside and how it works after separation from the rocket" on June 13 of this year ... directly to the Avator I did not comment to the Author: I quote again .. "The author was previously called a Military Secret .. and the article was not canceled. . "just did not like many ... The fact is that here ... much is not necessary as we have 3.14z ... oh to speak, write, divulge at last unnecessary, otherwise we will draw and write everything here ... Also for Authors and Admins ... it is necessary to think and look ...
  33. slovak007
    slovak007 13 July 2016 19: 48
    0
    What’s the TTX there ... We understand that it would be interesting for individual readers who are not particularly concerned (or not at all in the form of mere reader interest) with secrecy to know the tactical and technical characteristics of the latest weapons systems, but also “names, passwords, appearances ”of developers, see the drawings from the design bureaus and see the full estimate of the costs of creating units of the state defense order


    Want to know, get settled in any KB ...
    It is strange that the special department of the FSB has not become interested in some commentators so far, especially those who post some parameters.
  34. mik6403
    mik6403 13 July 2016 23: 31
    0
    Not so long ago, retired from the armed forces .... moron that you easily find in the media and the Internet - in parts secretly and secretly ... and vice versa, that in parts in free access and particle board - is shrouded in mystery and darkness in the media. It would be necessary to somehow develop a unified state. the concept of secrecy and observe it at all levels and in all structures.
  35. Alex_Tug
    Alex_Tug 13 July 2016 23: 47
    0
    Quote: slovak007

    It is strange that the special department of the FSB has not become interested in some commentators so far, especially those who post some parameters.


    And what is the meaning of the FSB interested in commentators? Any TTX or invented or subtracted somewhere in the internet. It is unlikely that the site designers merge Old. The FSB (there were first departments before, now I don’t know) to work on the spot.
    1. slovak007
      slovak007 14 July 2016 18: 56
      0
      And what is the meaning of the FSB interested in commentators? Any TTX or invented or subtracted somewhere in the internet. It is unlikely that the site designers merge Old

      There is a sense, I’ll say more, they are looking for.
      (there were first departments before, now I don’t know) to work on the spot.

      They didn’t go anywhere, as they were and remained where the regime remained.
    2. Olezhek
      Olezhek 14 July 2016 21: 41
      0
      Any TTX or invented or read somewhere in the internet


      Something like that... lol
  36. Aljavad
    Aljavad 14 July 2016 00: 54
    0
    However, "PUBLICITY" (Thank God!) Finally ends! HOORAY!
  37. iouris
    iouris 14 July 2016 01: 21
    -2
    The secret is the real degree of lag and degradation.
  38. Denis DV
    Denis DV 14 July 2016 04: 18
    +1
    And do not say laughing here and on the sofa wars sofa spies have multiplied laughing
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 14 July 2016 21: 31
      +1
      And do not say laughing here and on the sofa wars sofa spies have multiplied
      laughing

      Well said !!
      And it will be a "couch tribunal .." am
  39. Civilian62
    Civilian62 14 July 2016 15: 00
    0
    In my opinion, someone has paranoia. How can you seriously discuss the "threat" of forums? Let's cover Topwar, just in case. I haven't heard any more stupidity.
  40. realist
    realist 14 July 2016 16: 08
    0
    the slogan is not in any case relevant always and everywhere. if you’re not sure about the general availability of information, don’t disclose it. Thank God I’m a private builder and I really don’t know anything about our army ......
    But the code of conduct on the forum is worth introducing, for fans to share relevant information on modern Russian weapons. publish for example data only with reference to an available source .....
  41. kotuk_ha_oxote
    kotuk_ha_oxote 14 July 2016 16: 48
    0
    Why TTX? The main thing is to declare # no analogue in the world and the layman will immediately begin to proudly puff out his cheeks for the growing power of the power!

    At VO, they discuss spherical horses in a vacuum. Really secret information is not TTX, but tactics of application and manufacturing technology, and this is not discussed here. So I don’t know why everyone is worried like that?
  42. tasha
    tasha 14 July 2016 17: 32
    +1
    Dear site administrators. Again, I propose for some news (and not only) articles (about the latest developments, for example) to simply turn off the ability to comment and add a poll of readers (good news / bad news and, if necessary, other options). And, it seems to me, the need for such calls will disappear.

    Separately. Readers VO, certainly very worthy people. Just because they can read wink , read, reflect on what they have read and express their opinion. But, tree-sticks, sometimes you come across such comments - from the category "just to crow, but there, though it does not dawn" ...
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  44. red joni
    red joni 15 July 2016 05: 37
    +2
    it’s just not conscious citizens demanding to show them everything, while conscious citizens never demand anything.
  45. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 15 July 2016 07: 28
    0
    That's it, sushi crackers ...
  46. Sergey824
    Sergey824 15 July 2016 11: 01
    0
    Tell me a little, what is the secret? We look at Armata, T-50, let's say! And what, what are the secrets? Yes, and here they will say that according to the photo, in size (area, volume), you can calculate certain parameters of the equipment - range, speed, load, invisible
    bridge. Once they show it, it means that they have already reached the line when it is possible not to hide or it is impossible to hide (it would have been necessary to not remove the tarpaulins from the equipment at the parade). The main thing in this matter is science and technology and everything connected with them! China copies everything in a row, it cannot be distinguished, but this is either not such a resource, or worse characteristics, etc. Although each of us should not be bursting with pride for "involvement" in this or that case.
  47. Watchdog
    Watchdog 15 July 2016 11: 15
    0
    Of course FOR. Only the article should be addressed not only to those who ask "painfully clever questions", but also to those who give no less "clever answers". Questions are always asked, but you need to be careful with the answers, so as not to blur out information that constitutes a state secret ...
  48. gostomysl
    gostomysl 15 July 2016 16: 02
    +1
    Fuck you, not TTX.
  49. Fox
    Fox 15 July 2016 19: 37
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    tth ... today I talked with the guys, going to the south, the contract soldiers ... they buy their uniforms and shoes .. such supplies. and you are about space ... on the other hand, at least they are giving out weapons.
  50. ver_
    ver_ 16 July 2016 06: 10
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    ... the casket always just opens when the set time comes ...