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Voenkor "Magician" about the situation in the DPR

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Blog chervonec_001 published the next weekly summary of the military officer “Mag” about the situation in the Donetsk Republic.



The summary states, in particular:

“This week, the number of shelling of Donetsk decreased, and there was practically no shelling of Dokuchaevsk. Shelling increased on the southern front and on the northern, in the Gorlovka area. The fighting and shelling in the Debaltseve area completely subsided. APU again increased the number of assault attacks of the gray zone and our strong points. There were several such attacks in a week. They began to transfer a lot tanks and artillery.

4 July, Monday.
The heavy shelling, which began on the evening of July 3, lasted several hours and ended almost in the morning. We gave otvetku, but very little and not everywhere. Until three in the morning of Monday, art rattled on both sides. In a strange way, for some reason, Donetsk was not shelled on Sunday. I doubt that the artillery was withdrawn, most likely, there were NZ shells left and waiting for delivery. Until the evening, everything calmed down, unless of course we take into account the standard 2-3 arrivals of mines every 2 hours during the day and the work of our charger (anti-aircraft installations) on the UAV.

In the evening, with 18: 30, shelling began again. The front line Airport - Spartak - YAPG (Yasinovatovsky traffic police post) started a shootout with the support of mortars.

19: The 55 section of the front of the Yasinovatovsky traffic police post began a strong battle - machine guns, sniper, AGS, mines 82-mm and 120-mm mortars, tanks (as an ACS). The militiamen punished one of the Ukrainian Armed Forces sniper, the second was sent for long-term treatment if they were taken to the hospital. In the Petrovsky district the same situation, with the exception of tanks. The positions of the DPR under the Red Partisan are also under fire from mortars and artes.

C 20: 10 APU from three sides began to cover mines and arty mines and the suburbs of Gorlovka.
In 20: Our 50 began to return fire on the APU batteries located west of Marinka - Krasnogorovka. Worked minutes 40.

22: 00 Front Line Airport - Spartak - YPG battle began to intensify, the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is working on the full program! The first arrivals of heavy shells began in the Kuibyshevsky district - 1 and 2 platforms, Oktyabrsky and Grabari. The sound of the incoming shells will not be confused with anything, as if scaffolding and concrete slabs are breaking. Ours also respond. Artillery duel. On the horizon, everything sparkles, as if a thunderhead is coming.

On 22: 20, fighting continues on the entire front, from the Novoazovskiy region to Gorlovka. APU began to use more tanks and infantry fighting vehicles.

Getting into the bus next to the street Stepanenko. Two wounded. Contact with the two-story house and the shop "Constellation". More 40 shells flew through the streets of Stepanenko, Makarenko, Pascal, Narva.

23: 15 heavy arta APU attacks continue. People sit in basements. Work Hyacinths APU. Our answer, than they can, on the positions of the APU glow.

From 23: 20 to 23: 50 another shelling of Grabari (Kuibyshev district). You would see what the local cemetery turned into after the shelling of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. 00: 00 Punishers fired heavy artillery from the direction of Krasnogorovka in Biryuzova, Lidiyivka (Kirovsky district). The high-pressure gas pipe is broken, there is a strong hum and smell. Ukrainian militants from positions near the station. Dyleyevka and Romanovki are firing heavy artillery at Gorlovka. We were shot at 438 once a day. Kharkiv hospital received 10 wounded soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

5 July, Tuesday.
00: 35 Shelling went on a new circle, mines and shells fall in Petrovsky and Kirovsky areas. Every 3 seconds arrives. Ours began to respond to suppression. They called from the southern front, there, too, the whole horizon was on fire, heavy shelling. Northwest of Donetsk, began melee.

In 00: The Donetsk team 50 began to count arrivals again. West and North of Donetsk under hurricane fire. On Avdeevsk promkom started a strong battle, the APU covers the heavy arta on the rear of our positions. They cover with squares, they can not find our mortar batteries to help repel the attacks of the APU.
In 01: 00 became quiet, only the lonely lines of machine guns and the memory broke the silence of the night.

Our intelligence service in the gray zone, in the area of ​​one of the private courtyards of Marinka, found 40 bodies of the Armed Forces of Ukraine military personnel. 60 mercenaries of foreigners arrived in Mayorsk, they do not enter into contact with the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and keep themselves apart. Before lunch it was quiet, again, except for the work of snipers on both sides and a mortar paintball.

From 14: 50 day shelling of 120-mm airport mines.

In 19: 40 began evening shelling of the northern suburbs of Donetsk.

20: 00 APU fired mines Gorlovka, under Zaitsevo fights with the use of technology.

22: 20 started fighting in the Petrvos district (west of Donetsk), all types of small arms, 82-mm and 120-mm mortars, armored vehicles, AGS are working. At the airport - Spartak - YPG mines do not fly intensively.

22: 20 on the southern front of Kominternovo and Sakhanka under heavy mortar shelling. Our mortars also respond.

23: 30 in Zaitsevo fights do not subside, ukry brought into the battle a few units of equipment. Over Gorlovka shot down the UAV.

During the day we were shot at 402 times. Kharkiv hospital received 12 wounded soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

6 July, Wednesday.
Until 3: 30 in the morning on the whole front is quiet, except for the Airport and Avdeevskaya promka. The airport is under mortar fire, there is still a battle on the promke. The short mortar (10 120-mm min) was in 5 and in 8 in the morning. It was quiet before lunch.

In 13: 30 on the front line airport - Spartak - YPG strong fighting with the support of mortars, art and armored vehicles. Up until about the 16 clock it rattled there. We thought another attempt to seize the highway Donetsk - Gorlovka.

19: 30 APU began mortar shelling of the suburbs of Gorlovka. South mine under attack. In 21: 30 ukry climbed from the north under the guise of mortars and equipment. Until 00: 00, Gorlovka and YaPG were noisy; there was a lull on the rest of the front.

During this day, 10 GSSR and 128 GCPR suffered losses in the number of 1 killed and 4 wounded. Also destroyed 1 tank and two infantry fighting vehicles. During the day we were shot at 386 times. Kharkov hospital received 6 wounded soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

7 July, Thursday.
Two people were injured this morning as a result of shelling by the Ukrainian Armed Forces of the village of Zaitsevo. In 10: 30 am APU opened fire from mortars. Earlier today at 9 in the morning, the OSCE observers and the JCCC staff came to the Zaitsevo inspection. The shelling of the APU began immediately after they left the village.

It was quiet before lunch. During the day, the DPR anti-aircraft gunners drove a lonely aerial vehicle over the Kuibyshev district. In 14: 30 began shelling of promka and YPG. After that, until the evening it was relatively quiet.

With 18: 50 resumed fighting along the promka and YPG. One of the batteries firing at the Putilovsky Forest (Kievsky District). There are arrivals in the frontal part of the Guard (Makeyevka). In 19: 10 fighting intensified, used all types of weapons - small, to / to machine guns, mortars 82-mm and 120-mm, art and armored vehicles. 19: 10 also, as well as on the APG APU north of Gorlovka, began to use everything they had on hand. 19: 10 The Red Partisan (south-west of Gorlovka) is also noisy, firing, mines, BMP.

21: 00 battles on the promke are only growing. VSU apply SAU and mortars. 22: 00 APU from artillery began shelling Petrovsky district. 22: 10 battles in the suburbs of Gorlovka have not subsided for the past 4 hour. APU imitate attacks from the north and south, the militia’s response is closely monitored by the APU UAV. 23: 30 Without a break from 18: 50 battles and art shelling of Petrovsky district, Airport, Spartak, YPG, Gorlovka in two directions at once.

During the day we were shot at 440 times. The Kharkov hospital received 12 wounded soldiers of the APU of moderate severity.

08 July, Friday.
00: 05 battles continue, the art of the Armed Forces of Ukraine lupit from the area of ​​Georgeevka in the Petrovsky district. Our began to give otvetku on all fronts. Confirmation has come, ours have covered a strong point of the Ukrainian Armed Forces east of the village of Troitskoe, from which 120-mm mines were fired and mortar fire at mines to the west and south of Gorlovka.

01: 30 in the area of ​​Broad Beams (to the west of Gorlovka) shooting, in the north Zaitsevo strong mortar fire.

In 02: 00, 03: 00, 05: 00 flew ten 120-mm mines in the Kuibyshev district. In the morning and in the afternoon it was quiet on the whole front.

From 17: 55 west of Gorlovka, the APU is beaten with long bursts of armored personnel carriers. In 18: 00, the Petrovsky district, without art preparation, a shooting battle ensued, the APU launched an unexpected attack. APU forces up to 10 people decided to move to the western districts of Donetsk. Under the cover of mortar fire and the ACS, the assault team passed 300 meters on the brilliant green and was stopped by the VSN. Leaving several dead on the battlefield, the rest retired.

19: 20 0Saitsevo gunshot from machine guns, AGS and mortars.
19: 20 shelling of Donetsk 2 of the site 120-mm mines.

20: 00 shelling mines YAPG.

22: 00 began arriving 152-mm shells on the block YaPG and Yasinovataya. Fights almost all along the front line around Gorlovka, especially the Ukrainian Armed Forces use arta in the village of Zaitsevo. Everywhere mortar shelling.

On 23: 20, we have battles in the areas of the Airport - Spartak - YAPG. Mortars and equipment are also widely used everywhere.

00: 00 in the south of the republic with 20 hours is a battle with different intensity. Shelling mines 120-mm, SAU 122-mm. After breaking the position of the 122-mm battery, the ACS is now driving on the highway, in the area of ​​the village of Sartana. During the day we were shot at 585 times. We have destroyed 26 houses. Kharkiv hospital received 16 wounded soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

9 July, Saturday.
00: 20 is another round of shelling of Gorlovka, the mines of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fall on the northern villages.

Before lunch, quietly, in 15: 25 in Donetsk, we heard two explosions in the air, perhaps working off air defense.
In 19: 50, battles began in the west and north of Donetsk - Petrovsky and Kuibyshev districts. Fighting in the north of Gorlovka, in the villages of Zaitsevo and Golmovsky. Rifle, mortars, machine guns and armored vehicles.

Until 21: 00, the battles in Donetsk and Gorlovka did not stop. Dokuchaevsk has been resting for several days from shelling, and on that day there were no shelling in promka.

21: 20 Airport - arrival of four 120-mm min. 22: 05 Airport - six arrivals 120-mm min. 22: 30 Airport - Arrivals 120-mm Min.

23: 30 battles continue in Donetsk and Gorlovka without interruption for several hours with different intensity.

10 July, Sunday.
The shelling does not stop! In 01: 50 a dozen 120-mm mines fell in my area. 02: 00 shelling continues, we began to give otvetku. VSU make short artillery attacks on the airport - Spartak - YPG. In Gorlovka, after a heavy shelling of the sleeping area, there are wounded among civilians.

Until the evening, all the villages and towns of the DPR rested from the shelling, there was a heavy downpour for several hours.
In 18: 20, battles and shelling began to the west of Donetsk - Petrovsky district and Staromikhaylovka. There are several mortars 82-mm and 120-mm. Periodically crawled BMP, until it was puffed, went under its own power back to the landing. Near the hospital in Marinka, something strongly smokes, maybe the house, and maybe that BMP burns out.

18: 30 Gorlovka under mortar fire. Our answer.

20: 30 Fight in Avdeevskoy promke. Our sniper worked several soldiers APU, ukry immediately began to cover the squares of mortars.

20: 40 north of Gorlovka under heavy mortar fire, also operates in the private sector of the APU tank. Gorlovka is attacked by small assault groups from the north and south under the cover of mortars, artes and several pieces of equipment.

21: 10 southern front, the Armed Forces of Ukraine (marines) conduct mortar fire on our trenches to the west of Comintern.

21: 35 Gorlovka suffers from shelling. Almost from everywhere fly mines and shells. From the side of Dzerzhinsk shells of 152-mm shells are flying. Last week there was already covered the battery. Shelling is conducted by the battery every 20 minutes for each residential quarter.

22: 15 According to Comintern, they beat out heavy arta. From 22: 50 under shelling of YPG, once in 20 seconds. arrival of heavy projectile. Minutes after 10 began to subside.

So ended the next week of the "night war".

All patience and health! ".
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  1. Machete
    Machete 13 July 2016 09: 29
    +12
    All of them have patience and health.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 13 July 2016 10: 15
      +16
      In my summary there are a lot of videos and photos, especially photos of the dead soldiers of the APU. At the top of the article you will find a link to the Chervonets block. http://chervonec-001.livejournal.com/1441132.html

  2. Abbra
    Abbra 13 July 2016 09: 33
    +11
    The situation is like a tightly stretched rope. Stretched to such an extent that it rings and is about to burst. Courage and patience to all!
    1. WKS
      WKS 13 July 2016 10: 09
      +6
      Bandera clearly provoke the militia of Donbass in retaliatory and large-scale military action, then to accuse them of violating the ceasefire. Such a policy does not contain a rational grain, since a new round of war will not bring victory to the Kiev Bandera regime. There will be a mass of corpses on both sides, and most likely the rebelled Donbass will add solid pieces to its territories.
      1. rapt
        rapt 13 July 2016 10: 37
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        Quote: wks
        Bandera clearly provoke the militia of Donbass in retaliatory and large-scale military action, then to accuse them of violating the ceasefire.

        Are you talking about them?
        1. Krasniy_lis
          Krasniy_lis 13 July 2016 10: 42
          +8
          when you post garbage, first look for where the shots are from. This is an empty high-rise building on the outskirts like Debala (I could be wrong) for 14 years.
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 13 July 2016 09: 40
    +1
    Minsk 2? -No, I have not heard.
    1. Krasniy_lis
      Krasniy_lis 13 July 2016 10: 01
      +7
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Minsk 2? -No, I have not heard.

      oh, I'm belittling you. The fact that the Ukrainians will not perform Minsk was immediately clear. Fulfill = collapse of dill, do not fulfill = our hands are untied. The darkest one set an excellent trap. But the war we have in fact did not stop. True, we were able to create a professional army during this time (naturally, not without help)
    2. Snake AAA
      Snake AAA 13 July 2016 10: 01
      +1
      Alexander, welcome, how are you? What about operations?
    3. rapt
      rapt 13 July 2016 10: 38
      .
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Minsk 2? -No, I have not heard.

      But he heard

      PS: Hello, novels!
      1. Abbra
        Abbra 13 July 2016 11: 09
        0
        Judging by the face (age!), This frame should already be at least a major.
        1. rapt
          rapt 13 July 2016 11: 54
          .

          Quote: Krasniy_lis
          when you post garbage, first look for where the shots are from. This is an empty high-rise building on the outskirts like Debala (I could be wrong) for 14 years.

          Quote: Abbra
          Judging by the face (age!), This frame should already be at least a major.
          1. black
            black 13 July 2016 14: 36
            +4
            I really didn’t understand why the Raptized. Rather, the TBI. The title of the plot is interesting. I did not see the saboteur. The APU's heroic attack on the 7 (Chistyakovskaya) brigade combat guard position ended in an equally heroic retreat. And the fact that the guy was taken wounded and in his position, says a lot.
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  4. Dave36
    Dave36 13 July 2016 09: 51
    0
    It is possible by October the situation will clear up
  5. Aleksander
    Aleksander 13 July 2016 09: 58
    +5
    On 22: 20 battles continue on the entire front, from Novoazovsky district and to Gorlovka. APU began to use tanks and infantry fighting vehicles more.

    We open ITAR TASS for the same last week: NO WORDS about this real war, continuous shelling of residential buildings in Horlivka and victims of civilians (except for reports of 40 bodies discovered by the APU). Are you used to it? Forgot?
    HOW can you not write about it ?!
    1. Krasniy_lis
      Krasniy_lis 13 July 2016 10: 43
      +4
      Russia 24 gave a big report, as far as I remember.
  6. Cananecat
    Cananecat 13 July 2016 10: 04
    +3
    In the 14th Ukram they let the blood in, in the 15th they prettyly gave her a drink ... when did they drown her ..
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 July 2016 10: 37
    +2
    Well, I just can't understand - for what purpose is the APU doing all this? It is clear as daylight that it will not squeeze out anything, and will not achieve any strategic goals. After all, this shooting is worth a lot of pennies, which are NOT in the treasury of dill. As there is no opportunity to replace howitzer barrels as they wear out. Yes, they will not be able to replace any barrels, even 30 mm for BMP. The only thing I can think of is all for "internal use", to explain to the people that the war is going on, and they must endure ...
    1. Krasniy_lis
      Krasniy_lis 13 July 2016 10: 47
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      "internal use", to explain to the people that the war is going on, and they must endure ...

      and so it is. And blame it all. From tariffs to corruption.
      This is all Pu. Definitely. request
    2. black
      black 13 July 2016 14: 39
      +1
      First, we must convince the people of Ukraine that the war is on. Otherwise, why all the victims? Secondly, the war must be victorious. Otherwise, why all the victims? So it turns out. They attacked, destroyed, and then retreated a little. And Putin is to blame.
  8. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 13 July 2016 11: 10
    +3
    According to residents of the frontline settlements of the DPR, the OSCE is adjusting the APU fire!
  9. Romin
    Romin 13 July 2016 11: 13
    +10
    And in our news, not a word about the Donbass, not a word about the shelling! Strict censorship and a ban on information from the east of Ukraine.
    I don’t understand how ashamed we are! 400 shells per day .., and on our part it’s not even that everything is calm in Baghdad, because there is no such topic for us at all, there is no such territory and population inhabiting it.
    So a respectful state should not behave.
    This is a big foreign policy minus! The states around them see all this. And this tells them that Russia cannot protect its own! And that means dealing with her is dangerous and as a "coward" is inconvenient! From such a desire of the Russian leadership to hide from the problem, Russia at the foreign policy level is losing its image and respect. And there is no understanding of how the situation will develop, there are no conscious "red lines". , warnings not to shoot, otherwise peace enforcement operation. This is what a mature state does. And he's not afraid of anyone!
    There are many examples in history and in "recent" how states, in spite of sovereign territories, defended "their own".
    And now I will speak seditiously. I can't stand Turkey! And the history of our "interstate" interactions, and more often wars, speaks volumes, But!
    I respect Turkey for not being afraid to protect the Turkoman in Cyprus! I respect the Turks for protecting the Turkomans in Syria. And does it openly! Pre-warning that it will protect. (it’s like in self-defense, here’s the line, and if you cross it with weapons, I will perceive it. As an aggression and I will shoot) and I ask you, I do not condone the Turks for the murder of our pilot and marine, the Turks should be tough for this punished, but ... Tomatoes ... Tourist flow ..
    Eh ... Russia! I myself made a decision: I ignore tourism and goods (I have no other means of influence), but unlike many "Russians" I did not run to travel agencies (how can some people sell "Motherland" so easily so imperceptibly, unscrupulously ... ..)
    I’m even afraid, in addition to Turkey, to write about examples of other states, so that pseudo-patriots do not pander, but look at the example of India, Pakistan, Israel ...
    Each protects his own and his own! And it is worthy of respect!
    And we recently had examples worthy of respect! Prednistrovye, South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Crimea!
    And that Crimea was not part of Ukraine?
    And Donbass?
    Only here in Donbass people die every day. I hope everyone understands on whose hands the blood is .., "we don't throw ours .., let them try"
    We tried it! So what?
    But nothing! Ours was so "pampered"!
    And then we are surprised here that this is our nuclear country, the permanent member of the UN Security Council is not respected ... That Qatar is yapping at us there .. That it is Lithuania or Estonia that spoke to us from a position of strength .. And many here in the comments : hahaha, 4 battalions ... Yes, we ... In dust ... We won’t even notice ...! I’m upset you, with such a foreign policy it’s better not to throw such slogans, so that later it would not be insulting, why not ...
    And these are all the results of our (Russia) actions on the world stage! Remind who is the president of Russia?
    A self-respecting country does not behave like that! A self-respecting president should be responsible for his words, especially when they lead to the deaths of the elderly, women and children! My respect for him will return only after he resolves the issue as a person of honor and dignity.
    1. stas132
      stas132 13 July 2016 11: 48
      -1
      How do you see active actions on the part of the Russian Federation for yourself? I would like to hear specific proposals. We all know how to pour water and "disrespect". Suggest options, we will discuss. Maybe we will, but I'm afraid not.
    2. gorozhanka74
      gorozhanka74 13 July 2016 19: 53
      -3
      ... n-yes .... why from the couch. and not with a gun in the trenches of Donbass? ...
      Russia did not come to war. And in this, I believe, the merit of the Darkest. The fact that my son does not fight in the territory of a foreign country in the guise of an invader and he does not aim at a Ukrainian sniper, or a Pole, or a Baltic ...
      Each cook can throw accusations and understand geopolitics.
      Well, to go or not to go to the Turks is a matter of the mind and conscience of everyone. My family doesn’t travel and ignores Turkish goods, somehow.
      1. Svyatoslavich
        Svyatoslavich 14 July 2016 09: 48
        0
        1. Someone's son died the other day in Syria. My mother cried for him as if in her own way.

        2.Alien country?
        I swore an oath to the Soviet Union. Nobody released me from this oath. Donbass is not a "foreign country" for me.
  10. Wolka
    Wolka 13 July 2016 12: 05
    -2
    judging by the above reports, the war is in full swing, the intensity is high, the meat grinder is by definition, but there’s very little loss of the 300s, apparently more than 200s, but you can’t hide them just as easily, and the summer is in full swing, and tormented by vague doubts, and the OSCE is also silent like a fish in a pie, something is wrong here ...
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  12. Romin
    Romin 13 July 2016 12: 53
    +5
    Quote: Oles
    And these are all the results of our (Russia) actions on the world stage! Remind who is the president of Russia?
    I have already asked myself the question here: what are Russia's foreign policy successes and where? A bunch of frozen conflicts around the border? Failure of South Stream? But hurray-potreoty explained to me that it was not my business to discuss "mnogohodovochki" and other "cunning plans" from Ukraine. Ok, then in Minsk, it seems to concern Ukraine. First, regarding the introduction of troops into Donbass. They explained to us that this is a cunning State Department trying to drag the Russian Federation into the war in Donbass, so we will not introduce anything. And we'd better introduce it to Syria - it's more needed there. Well ok, good. Only in the 14th year, no mass input was needed. The APU was then in complete disorder, what was happening to the mob. plans, as a direct participant, I can say - complete zh.P. In Nikolaev, the cops were calculating the salaries of the Crimeans (who had already left at that time), the seizure of the Kharkiv Regional State Administration took place with the COMPLETE inaction of the local power unit - we had to call specialists from Vinnitsa. It was enough that serious people talk with serious people about serious topics. As in the Crimea. All this cop-military Caudle could be bought on the vine for a small price list. And they would gladly drag Yarosh on a silver platter. Yes, there would be victims, but there would be frostbitten Bendera, but without the support of the National Guard and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they would not have fought much. And there is no need to tell that Akhmetov, Taruta and Kolomoisky are non-contractual byaki. If Benya had been made the king of all Novorossia, he would have presented it to the Kremlin with a ribbon (and then they would have sent Benya to Hodor, business, well, Poros succeeded). What is this for me, in '14, you could take at least Donetsk, Lugansk, Kharkov, and a maximum of Novorossia. Without a lot of blood. Well, it turns out that somehow the United States has to overthrow governments with the hands of local ones - is it dumber in Russia, or what? There was Odessa and Mariupol, as an information guide, there were connections with Motor Sich, Zarya-Mashproekt at all levels, the NGZ was in general and is under direct control. They needed political will and loot. Time for the preparation of the wagon and the small cart - the Maidan has stood for months. Crimea showed that such operations are possible - but then why it stalled. Personally, my opinion and the opinion of our Nikolaev household comrades - separatists: we have not rested on the Kremlin either as part of the Russian Federation, or as a free education. That's all. Now directly across Minsk: nothing special, it does not threaten the Kiev junta. Well, they will call the LPNR a federation, well, they will amnesty the people, so what? What political independence do the subjects of the federation have in different countries? All of Novorossia (as well as the amnesty, as well as federalization) will end when the ukrovoyska will be on the border with the Russian Federation. I'm honestly surprised why Kiev is so stupid with fictitious laws - have we signed a few of them in 25 years?

    You know, I'm surprised, in a pleasant sense, by your comments! Since here, no offense to someone, it is enough to write: .. Wow, we will tear everyone apart, trample them, everyone betrayed us, everyone is to blame, and we are such d'Artagnans .... And you are in trend! Patriot! At the same time, I cannot understand why people do not think about the causes, effects and results!
    And I fully support what you wrote.
    I respect the multinational population of Ukraine and the right to choose. But at the time of the 14th year, the Russian leadership made a gross mistake, which, like a "bomb", can come back to haunt in many years. The question had to be solved in 14th and there were all chances for success!
    I'm not even talking about the "emotional" aspect that they abandoned their "friends"! Although I consider it a cornerstone.
    But even now there is an opportunity to give a choice to the people of Ukraine.
    Putin still has a chance to regain the respect and dignity of Russia and give Ukraine a choice.
    1. Xmyp
      Xmyp 13 July 2016 14: 54
      +2
      There are still smart people in this forum who see the whole picture and can perceive it.
  13. Romin
    Romin 13 July 2016 13: 04
    +3
    Quote: stas132
    How do you see active actions on the part of the Russian Federation for yourself? I would like to hear specific proposals. We all know how to pour water and "disrespect". Suggest options, we will discuss. Maybe we will, but I'm afraid not.

    Stanislav, good afternoon.
    Less is not from me.
    About what to do, I regularly write conceptually.
    If you want to develop some kind of plan and bring it to the "top", let's take a chance.
    But, you see, what is happening in the Donbas with the civilian population is not normal!
    You must agree that we (Russia) have something to do with this (it’s so "our" in spirit)
    On a global scale, Russia is a permanent member of the UNSC, but did you hear us convene an extraordinary meeting here the other day !?
    Russia is a participant in Minsk -2, so that to him, and where is our work of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs with the member countries of Germany and France regarding regular shelling !?
    We (Russia) have removed themselves?
    Who needs Russia and what does it want to prove?
    We lose the last respect and image! And then we ask ourselves the question that Qatar runs into us, so bravely and brazenly, probably not afraid? Yes, not afraid! So things will go, soon they will also wipe their feet! And then everyone around will come up with explanations why and be complacent.
    Not objectively?
  14. Zomanus
    Zomanus 13 July 2016 15: 21
    0
    Damn, this war is there for a long time now.
    APU and Terbats constantly remind of their existence,
    otherwise they do not need anyone. The main bustle will begin after the election of the US President.
    Because exactly how the presidential administration decides what to do in Ukraine.
  15. Romin
    Romin 14 July 2016 02: 10
    0
    Quote: gorozhanka74
    ... n-yes .... why from the couch. and not with a gun in the trenches of Donbass? ...
    Russia did not come to war. And in this, I believe, the merit of the Darkest. The fact that my son does not fight in the territory of a foreign country in the guise of an invader and he does not aim at a Ukrainian sniper, or a Pole, or a Baltic ...
    Each cook can throw accusations and understand geopolitics.
    Well, to go or not to go to the Turks is a matter of the mind and conscience of everyone. My family doesn’t travel and ignores Turkish goods, somehow.

    Please write in more detail, since for individual proposals, for the most part of your comments, it is impossible to compose a voluminous picture of your attitude about the situation in Donbas and the role of the guarantor states of Minsk-2. Couldn't understand you "Are you on the waves or on the wave"?
    1. Svyatoslavich
      Svyatoslavich 14 July 2016 09: 51
      +1
      What is there to understand?
      Not by the waves and not by the wave, but by the flow.
  16. Dal arya
    Dal arya 15 July 2016 02: 05
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    Quote: Oles
    And these are all the results of our (Russia) actions on the world stage! Remind who is the president of Russia?
    I have already asked myself the question here: what are Russia's foreign policy successes and where? A bunch of frozen conflicts around the border? Failure of South Stream? But hurray-potreoty explained to me that it was not my business to discuss "mnogohodovochki" and other "cunning plans" from Ukraine. Ok, then in Minsk, it seems to concern Ukraine. First, regarding the introduction of troops into Donbass. They explained to us that this is a cunning State Department trying to drag the Russian Federation into the war in Donbass, so we will not introduce anything. And we'd better introduce it to Syria - it's more needed there. Well ok, good. Only in the 14th year, no mass input was needed. The APU was then in complete disorder, what was happening to the mob. plans, as a direct participant, I can say - complete zh.P. In Nikolaev, the cops were calculating the salaries of the Crimeans (who had already left at that time), the seizure of the Kharkiv Regional State Administration took place with the COMPLETE inaction of the local power unit - we had to call specialists from Vinnitsa. It was enough that serious people talk with serious people about serious topics. As in the Crimea. All this cop-military Caudle could be bought on the vine for a small price list. And they would gladly drag Yarosh on a silver platter. Yes, there would be victims, but there would be frostbitten Bendera, but without the support of the National Guard and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they would not have fought much. And there is no need to tell that Akhmetov, Taruta and Kolomoisky are non-contractual byaki. If Benya had been made the king of all Novorossia, he would have presented it to the Kremlin with a ribbon (and then they would have sent Benya to Hodor, business, well, Poros succeeded). What is this for me, in '14, you could take at least Donetsk, Lugansk, Kharkov, and a maximum of Novorossia. Without a lot of blood. Well, it turns out that somehow the United States has to overthrow governments with the hands of local ones - is it dumber in Russia, or what? There was Odessa and Mariupol, as an information guide, there were connections with Motor Sich, Zarya-Mashproekt at all levels, the NGZ was in general and is under direct control. They needed political will and loot. Time for the preparation of the wagon and the small cart - the Maidan has stood for months. Crimea showed that such operations are possible - but then why it stalled. Personally, my opinion and the opinion of our Nikolaev household comrades - separatists: we have not rested on the Kremlin either as part of the Russian Federation, or as a free education. That's all. Now directly across Minsk: nothing special, it does not threaten the Kiev junta. Well, they will call the LPNR a federation, well, they will amnesty the people, so what? What political independence do the subjects of the federation have in different countries? All of Novorossia (as well as the amnesty, as well as federalization) will end when the ukrovoyska will be on the border with the Russian Federation. I'm honestly surprised why Kiev is so stupid with fictitious laws - have we signed a few of them in 25 years?


    I fully support it. Putin himself, through his actions, or rather through inaction, put Russia on a time bomb, Ukraine, the further the more it becomes banderized and fascized. The connection with Russia is interrupted almost irrevocably. The overwhelming majority of Ukrainians and the worst thing about a possible Russia-NATO war hate us, we’ll get, well, probably under 100000 fighters motivated to war with us. Entire generations of scumbags who hate us. They will be partisans for sure. What to do with them? Question.
    Putin hopes that there will be no war, although the real war with Ukraine is to Americans how to blink, like a nerf to do.
    Is this Putin’s achievement?