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Associate Professor of Journalism of Moscow State University: "This year we recruited aliens"

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Associate Professor of Journalism of Moscow State University: "This year we recruited aliens"



“Neznayu”, “genyral” and “through-the-bar” - it is possible that it is this spelling of words that we will see in the newspapers in about five years, when the current first-year students of the faculty of journalism of the Moscow State University will receive their diplomas. These are the phenomenal results demonstrated by the students scored with the help of the Unified State Exam, among which there are even one hundred hundred. As expected, the verification work of recruits in universities turned into a scandal. More on this told the associate professor of the Russian language stylistics Anastasia Nikolayeva.

- Freshmen of journalism just wrote a test dictation on the Russian language. Did they confirm the estimates with which they received?

- Installation dictations to identify the level of knowledge of first-year students we write every year. Usually 3 — 4 man cannot cope with them. But the results of this year were monstrous. 229 freshmen per page text made 8 and fewer errors only 18%. The remaining 82%, including 15 100 EGE, made an average of 24 — 25 errors. In almost every word of 3 — 4, errors distort its meaning beyond recognition. To understand many words is simply impossible. In fact, these are not words, but their conditional reproduction.

- I.e?

- Well, what, for example, do you think, knight? To rummage. Or, say, potsiant (patient), success (succeeds), vrochi (doctors), unidentified (I do not know), genius, through-chyur, arrest. And all these are pearls of students from the powerful 101 and 102 groups of the newspaper department. So say, elite. Meanwhile, 10% words written by them in the dictation are not. These are rather rock signs than a letter. You know, I give dictations to 20 for years, but I've never seen anything like that. I keep all dictations as a material evidence. In fact, this year we scored aliens.

“Did you really have such a weak set?”

- The fact of the matter is that formally strong: the average score in the Russian language is 83. That is, not just a “five”, but a “super five”, since this year the excellent Russian language grade starts with 65 points. And this is very bad, because when the guys overwhelm the first session, they will tell us: “You got a“ super goods ”. And now the guys can not reproduce unpretentious Russian words. How did you manage to do this from super-delinquent super-doubles ?! ”By the way, thanks to the USE this year, the winners of olympiads and gold medalists could not enroll in the full-time department: they all study in the evening. Little and Muscovites. However, journalism is still a sin to complain. We managed to cut off some of the most hopeless students with the help of a creative contest. But what got, say, filfak, scary to even think. This is a national catastrophe!

- What is its reason?

- To some extent in the “Olban” Internet language. However, the main problem - the exam. According to first-year students, for the last three years at school they did not read books and did not write dictations with compositions - all the time they only practiced inserting the missing letters and ticking them. As a result, they are not able to not only write, but also read: please read a short excerpt from the book confuses them. Plus colossal lacunae in basic knowledge. For example, a complete lack of understanding of the historical process: it is said that the university was founded in the past, the twentieth century, but under Empress Catherine.

“Can you do something about this?”

- Following the dictation, a meeting of the faculty academic council was held. We develop emergency education measures. We will, of course, do what we can, but we must understand that it becomes more and more difficult to compensate for gaps with age, and the children who are not trained will probably come to light. And there are no hours for these classes in our curriculum. So, I'm afraid someone will have to be expelled, although the guys are not morons, but victims of serious pedagogical neglect.

- You can lose many?

- I do not exclude that every fifth freshman. USE destroyed our education in the bud. This is a shameless deception nationwide. A harsh, inhuman experiment, which was conducted on normal healthy children, and we will pay for it with a full measure. After all, people who can neither write nor speak go to all specialties: physicians, nuclear physicists. And this is not the worst. Children do not understand the meaning of what is written by each other. And this means that we are going to the loss of adequate communication, without which society cannot exist. We are faced with something scary. And this is not the edge of the abyss: we are already at the bottom. By the way, the guys themselves understand that things are bad, they want to study, they are ready to run on additional classes. With some, for example, we wrote a dictation in the form of a love note. The girls made 15 errors and burst into tears.
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  1. oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 13 July 2016 15: 52
    +163
    What can I say? Russia is in trouble! The Unified State Examination has specially sucked us in so that we, through our wicked schoolchildren, Yegeshniks, will begin to degrade and degenerate. And the faster we get rid of this scourge, the less we will have half-wits per capita.
    1. vkl.47
      vkl.47 13 July 2016 15: 59
      +59
      such as zlobin and sytin and the like, they make future liberal pests at their lectures. All 《towers》 captured such ones. And as a result, Dimka Anatolians come in from higher institutions.
      1. Temples
        Temples 13 July 2016 16: 47
        +88
        Journalists and broadcasters on television are declining words of a secondary kind.

        When asked why, they answer - so right!

        There is a person responsible for education - the minister.
        He has a leader - a lover of bitten apples.

        This sweet couple should be responsible for the appearance of aliens in schools, universities and further throughout the country.

        Just they do not want to answer.
        It's easier to blame on the exam or some other ge.

        Meanwhile, aliens everywhere drink their remaining coffee and walk in their fingers.
        1. nadezhiva
          nadezhiva 13 July 2016 17: 05
          +38
          It's strange. And from the word "ALL". The assistant professor is disingenuous. MSU does not recruit students based on the results of the USE only. Faculties pass the profile (the journalism faculty, it seems, writes an essay). And this does not weed out on the additional exam ?????? Rave. When enrolling, the results of the additional exam are summed up with the results of the exam.
          They already saw the eyes that they took. Now at least get out.
          About the birds: all the administration / teachers of ALL metropolitan universities wish the exam to fail in tartar. Because then the old, kind, beloved list system will return (from the rector, administration, etc., etc.).
          And the funniest thing in the title (This year we scored aliens). Set for this year already held / completed ????
          Sometimes I get the impression that you can write complete nonsense / fiction, populist sense, stuffed with slogans. To print / reprint and .... the funny thing is that everyone will believe. And how not to believe? After all, they wrote on the Internet. Already not funny.
          1. nadezhiva
            nadezhiva 13 July 2016 17: 25
            +10
            I will add. The real associate professor of the journalism faculty of Moscow State University could not formulate the idea in this way (I «This year we scored aliens) Education does not allow. The recruitment for this year is not completed.
            1. Homo
              Homo 13 July 2016 17: 56
              +16
              Quote: nadezhiva
              I will add. The real associate professor of the journalism faculty of Moscow State University could not formulate the idea in this way (I mean “This year we scored aliens”). Education does not allow.

              And weakly write it to him in PM or on the website of Moscow State University? And then show us the result of the correspondence. smile
              1. nadezhiva
                nadezhiva 13 July 2016 18: 18
                +10
                Quote: Homo
                Quote: nadezhiva
                I will add. The real associate professor of the journalism faculty of Moscow State University could not formulate the idea in this way (I mean “This year we scored aliens”). Education does not allow.

                And weakly write it to him in PM or on the website of Moscow State University? And then show us the result of the correspondence. smile

                I dropped the article on the website of Moscow State University. Itself in shock.
                1. Mahmut
                  Mahmut 13 July 2016 18: 51
                  +3
                  patient (patient), udusts (succeeds), urochi (doctors), unknown (I don’t know), general, arrested, too, to arrest

                  With similar errors, the kids break up in primary school. In the first, second, maximum in the third grade. So the exam has nothing to do with it. The reason is the illiteracy of the teachers themselves. And the exam simply helped the illiterate to enter universities.
                  1. Koshak
                    Koshak 13 July 2016 19: 03
                    +14
                    Quote: Mahmut
                    With similar errors, the kids break up in primary school. In the first, second, maximum in the third grade. So the exam has nothing to do with it. The reason is the illiteracy of the teachers themselves. And the exam simply helped the illiterate to enter universities.

                    "author" "drink yadu", "kagdela", "rzhunimagu", "patstalom" ... the generation of "Albans", the Padonkaf language came to the UNIVERSITIES.
                    1. twviewer
                      twviewer 13 July 2016 21: 33
                      +7
                      more will be more fun
                      1. Paranoid50
                        Paranoid50 13 July 2016 23: 59
                        +7
                        Very much!!! Well, now naughty children in Russia will disappear as a phenomenon. Try not to go to bed after wishes for a good (very calm) night from Uncle Kolya. yes
                      2. beck
                        beck 14 July 2016 08: 17
                        +14
                        and what's so funny, a normal competent person, and kind
                      3. Penzyac
                        Penzyac 15 July 2016 18: 35
                        0
                        Quote: beck
                        and what's so funny, a normal competent person, and kind

                        By the way, Valuev and Vitalik Klitschko are both boxers, both have higher education, and what a huge difference in education and its consequences ...
                    2. strelets
                      strelets 15 July 2016 06: 39
                      +7
                      Why have fun? If you listen to Valuev’s speech at least once, you immediately notice well-developed, competent oral speech. And as a comedian, he showed himself well in commercials. So the choice will be no worse than Oksana Fedorova.
                  2. Inok10
                    Inok10 13 July 2016 23: 47
                    +17
                    Quote: Koshak
                    "author" "drink yadu", "kagdela", "rzhunimagu", "patstalom" ... the generation of "Albans", the Padonkaf language came to the UNIVERSITIES.

                    ... this shit since 2009 already how much? in the yard 2016! ... Vadim Smirnov! ... AU Editor! ... the screen is attached ... word for word ... VO turns into the Echo of Moscow, how unfortunate it is to write ... negative
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 13 July 2016 23: 59
                      +3
                      Quote: Inok10
                      Vadim Smirnov! ... Editor AU! ..

                      What is Smirnov editor? What kind of AU? recourse
                    2. Paranoid50
                      Paranoid50 14 July 2016 00: 06
                      +7
                      Shit, again "button accordion" ...
                      Quote: Inok10
                      in the yard 2016! ... Vadim Smirnov! ... Editor AU!

                      Dear Inok10, here the editors have an ironic excuse: since 2009, the problem has not disappeared, but only worsened. And, judging by the resonance at the VO, it is so ...
                    3. ohtandur
                      ohtandur 15 July 2016 14: 04
                      0
                      There is a problem of education, but an article in the style of jaundice. Somehow I didn’t like it. Yes, and has a weak relation to VO
                  3. ARES623
                    ARES623 14 July 2016 07: 09
                    +7
                    Quote: Koshak
                    the generation of "Albans", the Padonkaf language came to the universities.

                    Not really, in my opinion. This generation of the 90s came to school. The exam is just a form of final certification for 11 years of schooling. If a graduate does not have brains, then how not to check it, you will get the same thing. I can only advise Zhurfak of Moscow State University mercilessly expel those who do not meet the literacy requirements for students of such a university. What did not reach in 10 years cannot be shoved in 5 years. Although from my own experience I can say that even among students in grades 7–9 there are quite literate ones. I read their pearls more than once. I do not presume to judge in the absolute, but there are definitely no 8 errors per page. I don’t know what kind of dictation such a difficult rector spent, but judging by the errors cited, the recruitment was carried out not by the USE, but by phone and wallet. The gardener broke all vests for freedom to appoint his own method of admission of applicants.
                    "The Central Admissions Committee of Moscow State University organizes entrance examinations conducted by Moscow State University independently (hereinafter referred to as entrance examinations conducted by Moscow State University), certification tests, appeals,
                    competition, enrollment and other necessary events. Central
                    MSU admission committee manages and controls
                    activities of admissions committees of faculties (branches) of Moscow State University "- an extract from the rules of admission to Moscow State University in 2016. Those who are selected, they study ....
                  4. ferdiperdozzz
                    ferdiperdozzz 14 July 2016 15: 11
                    0
                    Kagdila correctly :)
                  5. Jamuqa
                    Jamuqa 15 July 2016 09: 12
                    0
                    To correctly write in the Albanian language, you must at least write well in Russian, otherwise it is no longer a banter, but stupidly illiteracy.
                    1. alex_tec
                      alex_tec 15 July 2016 09: 54
                      +2
                      The trouble is that the young Internet portal does not perceive Albanian as a banter, but consider it the norm
                2. Very old
                  Very old 13 July 2016 19: 12
                  +1
                  Exactly.
                  Our teachers told us about their gymnasiums (note, not teachers)
                  And the current ones?
                  1. nadezhiva
                    nadezhiva 13 July 2016 20: 49
                    +5
                    Quote: Old very
                    Exactly.
                    Our teachers told us about their gymnasiums (note, not teachers)
                    And the current ones?
                    Verbiage. Teachers number, even Rosenthal interprets only in the sense of "ideological leader, author of the doctrine." In all other cases, M.h. - teacher.
                3. Alf
                  Alf 13 July 2016 23: 42
                  +3
                  Quote: Mahmut
                  With similar errors, the kids break up in primary school. In the first, second, maximum in the third grade. So the exam has nothing to do with it. The reason is the illiteracy of the teachers themselves. And the exam simply helped the illiterate to enter universities.

                  Yeah, now the teachers are to blame. Or maybe the kids do not want to study, according to the principle "where will they go, they will still put the top three?"
                  And as for poking into illiteracy, it is also worth reading the comments here, so it seems that most of the writers here, too, at school "passed by something." I, of course, understand, I want to write for a husky as quickly as possible, but I ought to read what was written first ...
                  1. Astrey
                    Astrey 15 July 2016 20: 33
                    0
                    I thought it was a problem in Ukraine ... It turns out that there is a crisis in the whole "chebureism". If a graduate does not meet the employer's expectations, it is more difficult for him to be retrained, but with a university it is more difficult:

                    We develop emergency measures for educational program.

                    The university should not be engaged in educational program, but to conquer and officially formalize all new heights of new knowledge - otherwise stagnation and loss of time for generations.

                    Moscow State University is still lucky - in Euro-integrated private universities, students are not so much waiting for a diploma as they are consciously undermining the learning process. The bulk of applicants from school is focused on studying abroad, and even the most stupid ones do not sabotage but quietly blunt themselves, while surrounding others with minimal strain.
                4. Homo
                  Homo 14 July 2016 00: 04
                  +7
                  Quote: Mahmut
                  With similar errors, the kids break up in primary school.

                  Play online games, chat in chat rooms and forums with 14-17 year olds. And you will understand how deeply mistaken you are. wink
                  1. ferdiperdozzz
                    ferdiperdozzz 14 July 2016 15: 29
                    -1
                    I have a daughter 19 and a son 8. Dressing and donning is not confused. No need to blame everything on the exam / president / Medvedev / Obama / by choice
                5. avia1991
                  avia1991 14 July 2016 00: 28
                  +9
                  Quote: Mahmut
                  USE has nothing to do with it. The reason is the illiteracy of the teachers themselves.

                  Do not talk nonsense! The problem is in state education policy! The result of which was the introduction of the exam, as a method of assessing knowledge, the corresponding changes in the methodology of teaching subjects, since it was necessary to teach children to answer THINKING, and as a result, the emergence of illiterate teachers, physicians, engineers, writers, historians, etc. etc.
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 14 July 2016 22: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: avia1991
                    , and as a result - the emergence of illiterate teachers, doctors, engineers, writers, historians, etc. etc.

                    An old but not outdated anecdote.
                    As I recall what engineer I am, I'm afraid to go to the doctors.
                  2. little man
                    little man 15 July 2016 23: 03
                    0
                    Yes, sorry, you’re talking nonsense! How not thinking? Do you have children?
                    I am in the bite of all exams that my daughter passed this year and I have something to compare. At the very 2 towers and with the union.
                6. oracul
                  oracul 14 July 2016 07: 05
                  +2
                  I think that you know Bismarck's statement about the role of teachers! Alas! Now the school is filled with the "product" of the 90s and beyond. The Soviet teachers, who guaranteed the quality of education, gradually gave way to young ones - the result is sad. Dull "optimization" in the economy leads to unemployment and an increase in the salaries of those who remain, mainly from the authorities, and the criterion is often age rather than professionalism. Likewise in education and healthcare. The problem is that in economy
                  1. CONTROL
                    CONTROL 14 July 2016 08: 33
                    0
                    Quote: oracul
                    I think that the statement of Bismarck about the role of teachers, you know!

                    Yes, these "Bismarcs" ... for a dozen or so!
                    There is someone else's similar thought: the honor (and health!) Of men of any nation - the women of this nation under their skirts!
                    ----------
                    Then we need to look deeper and regret "the past": it was necessary to ban theaters in the XNUMXth century, and cinema in the XNUMXth ...
                    ... have passed!
                7. CONTROL
                  CONTROL 14 July 2016 08: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: Mahmut
                  With similar errors, the kids break up in primary school.

                  Rather, aggravate with age!
                8. dezmon
                  dezmon 14 July 2016 10: 20
                  0
                  here I do not agree with you!
                  old teachers who are 50-70 years old still alive, were brought up on Soviet education, and I do not think that they are illiterate!
                  Of course there are only a few of them left, but while they are, we have not completely stupefied!
                  my opinion!
              2. Very old
                Very old 13 July 2016 19: 07
                +1
                He is to help you (omniscient and omnipresent)

                This is not a mockery. I know, now in the receiving comm. howl
          2. Cananecat
            Cananecat 13 July 2016 18: 07
            +11
            Serious stuffing for VO. Remember the article by Roman Skomorokhov was removed to verify the publication. It would be nice for the moderators to check this article.
            1. KLV
              KLV 14 July 2016 08: 31
              +5
              There are three errors in your message. And all in one sentence. And do you offer something to someone? Sadly ...
          3. Very old
            Very old 13 July 2016 19: 05
            +5
            Yes, being already YOU, Hope.
            USE !!! Gip-Gip Urya!

            Wait for a film crew visit from horseradish.TV
            1. CONTROL
              CONTROL 14 July 2016 08: 35
              +1
              Quote: Old very
              Yes, being already YOU, Hope.
              USE !!! Gip-Gip Urya!

              Wait for a film crew visit from horseradish.TV

              ... Is this "sins"? from "zone 51"? ...
          4. avia1991
            avia1991 14 July 2016 00: 33
            0
            Quote: nadezhiva
            The real associate professor of the journalism faculty of Moscow State University could not formulate the idea in this way

            Why exactly? Explain, by what criteria is the "education" of an associate professor of journalism determined? Or do our journalists on the central mass media do not allow themselves such expressions? Do you communicate with them personally a lot?
            1. nadezhiva
              nadezhiva 14 July 2016 13: 16
              +3
              Quote: avia1991
              Explain, by what criteria is the "education" of an associate professor of journalism determined?
              I will answer with a phrase from the court ruling: "due to the existing higher education and many years of work experience ...." It's not me, it's the court now sculpting such pearls wink So, the assistant professor of the department is well aware that the recruitment for this year is not closed. A set of freshmen last year now, in July 2016, no one will call reasonable a set of this year. Children have already completed 1 course, transferred (almost all) to the second, have a rest on vacation.
              Therefore, I repeat: this is nonsense and stuffing.
              By the way, the original news source ordered a long life. What is it for?
              1. ARES623
                ARES623 14 July 2016 13: 43
                +1
                Quote: nadezhiva
                So, the assistant professor of the department is well aware that the recruitment for this year is not closed

                In some universities, admission is possible based on the results of olympiads and other out-of-school competitions organized by the university, which, together with the admission rules approved at the university (Moscow State University, for example), seems to be a large field for collecting corruption tribute. Those who "have something" from this sit and silently "pull" the idiots. Those, past whom all these "bills" flows are flowing, scribble indignant articles. Something like this...
          5. little man
            little man 15 July 2016 19: 09
            0
            I agree. The article is partly provocative. I would even say a draft on the fan.
            How to score? The set is just coming. The exam in Russian will be somewhere around July 18-19. Dictations yes - they do in the middle of the year. Maybe the article is old ...
            At the very daughter arrives. The contests are the strongest, there are a lot of olympiadniks, though the ege is noticeably more difficult and the average score is lower than last year, but nevertheless write this ...
        2. Homo
          Homo 13 July 2016 17: 57
          +2
          Quote: nadezhiva
          It's strange. And from the word "ALL". The assistant professor is disingenuous. MSU does not recruit students based on the results of the USE only. Faculties pass the profile (the journalism faculty, it seems, writes an essay). And this does not weed out on the additional exam ?????? Rave. When enrolling, the results of the additional exam are summed up with the results of the exam.

          Are you a member of the selection committee?
          1. nadezhiva
            nadezhiva 13 July 2016 18: 16
            +11
            The system of admission to Moscow State University is no secret behind seven seals. Additional exams (profile) passes several universities across the country. There (at MSU) DO NOT RIDE ON ONE USE. This is simply excluded, even theoretically. Everyone writes an additional exam: both medalists, and olympiads, and all others.
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 14 July 2016 00: 53
              +2
              nadezhiva

              And what extra. exams remained only at Moscow State University?
              This is not an idle question, I really don't know. But I know that in 3 countries of the "golden billion". There are no university entrance exams. I hoped that they stayed in the Russian Federation.

              In general, the education system is more important than the Army and Navy.
              1. nadezhiva
                nadezhiva 14 July 2016 12: 55
                0
                http://www.ucheba.ru/article/271
                Look at this resource. It seems everything is detailed
              2. avia1991
                avia1991 14 July 2016 20: 34
                0
                Quote: gladcu2
                In general, the education system is more important than the Army and Navy.

                Naturally! good
                After all, the Army and the Navy can be formed either by educated people - or by uneducated ones. Depends on the wishes of the ruling elite, we get the corresponding "product" at the output.
                The same applies to healthcare, etc. hi
          2. veteran66
            veteran66 13 July 2016 18: 24
            +8
            Quote: Homo
            Are you a member of the selection committee?

            why should they be? The conditions for admission are open and can be found. Indeed, if at an interview and ext. such diplomas were not dropped out of the exam, which means someone at Moscow State University needs this.
        3. Belgorod
          Belgorod 13 July 2016 20: 08
          +1
          It's strange. And from the word "ALL". The assistant professor is disingenuous. MSU does not recruit students based on the results of the USE only. Faculties pass the profile (the journalism faculty, it seems, writes an essay). And this does not weed out on the additional exam ?????? Rave. When enrolling, the results of the additional exam are summed up with the results of the exam.

          This is not strange - this is complete nonsense !!!!
          The wife is an education worker, and so:
          The winners of the regional and participants of the republican olympiads HAVE ADVANTAGES when entering universities (though according to the profile of the olympiad)
          They push you bullshit, and you do it (sorry for directness)
          Now I help to sort out new textbooks for schools
          I'm in SHOCK !!!!
          Question; how many textbooks are in the first grade now?
          Do you know?
          We had four textbooks (primer, mathematics, Russian and reading)
          And now EIGHT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          At first graders !!!!!!!!!!!
          To our added
          1 The world around
          2 Music (how did we learn without music ????????????)
          3 Iso
          4 And the most fantastic is FISCULTURE (in the course that physical education schools pass tests ???? well, in principle, we don’t get used to it - before the war, tankers studied their tanks)
          I opened it, read two lines and there was a desire to take a couple of packs and smash on the head who invented it
          Do you know how much money has been spent on this? AND? Yes, bribe takers choked with saliva. Legally rob the state. Yes, they have the exam across the throat, they will do everything to discredit the exam
          Understand the exam - the system of verification of EDUCATION, including teachers.
          Without the Unified State Examination, they got laf - grandmothers collected and, according to the tariff rate, delivered assessments.
          They developed any moronic system, they got the money. Super!!!
          Why do they need the exam?
          By the way physical education textbooks from grades 1 to 11
          I really feel sorry for the children.
          1. nadezhiva
            nadezhiva 13 July 2016 20: 35
            +1
            Quote: Belgorod
            It's strange. And from the word "ALL". The assistant professor is disingenuous. MSU does not recruit students based on the results of the USE only. Faculties pass the profile (the journalism faculty, it seems, writes an essay). And this does not weed out on the additional exam ?????? Rave. When enrolling, the results of the additional exam are summed up with the results of the exam.

            This is not strange - this is complete nonsense !!!!
            The wife is an education worker, and so:
            The winners of the regional and participants of the republican olympiads HAVE ADVANTAGES when entering universities (though according to the profile of the olympiad)

            Regional winners and regional participants have advantages when entering the Moscow State University ???? Very theoretical. If there is 6 !!! budget places for a specialty, for example, the main thing that they look at is an additional exam. It is summarized with the results of the exam and deduce the place of the applicant. And all the regional olympiads in this situation are in the woods. This is not that level.
            1. Belgorod
              Belgorod 13 July 2016 20: 55
              +2
              The winners of regional olympiads participate in all-Russian olympiads and universities are hunting for these guys. This is ELITE.
              By the way, last year there was a scandal with the journalism faculty of Moscow State University (objectionable were eliminated at admission)
              1. nadezhiva
                nadezhiva 13 July 2016 22: 17
                +2
                Well, how else can it be intelligibly explained to you that regional olympiads do not give an advantage?
                You can get benefits when entering higher education institutions by becoming a winner (diploma of 1 degree) or a prize winner (diploma of 2 or 3 degrees) of the finals of the All-Russian Olympiad for schoolchildren, as well as the Olympiad from the List of the Ministry of Education and Science of Russia. In Russia, there are many other Olympiads and competitions of schoolchildren, but the benefits for admission are provided only to the winners and prize-winners of the final stage of the All-Russian Olympiad for schoolchildren and Olympiads included in the List.

                There are two types of benefits for entering higher education institutions for olympiads: admission without entrance examinations and obtaining the maximum score for the exam in the subject corresponding to the profile of the olympiad, or for the additional entrance test established by the university (you do not need to pass an additional exam). No later than June 1, all universities must publish information about benefits to winners and prize winners of the Olympiads depend only on the level of the Olympiad and the status of the diploma (winner or prize winner) and do not depend on which university the Olympiad was held.

                About the All-Russian Olympiad for schoolchildren

                Winners or prize-winners of the final stage have the right to enter any university in the direction corresponding to the profile of the Olympiad without entrance examinations. In this case, the correlation of the direction of preparation and the profile of the Olympiad is determined by the university itself and without fail publishes this information on its official website.

                If the winner or medalist of the All-Russian Olympiad for schoolchildren chooses an educational program in a non-core field (specialty), then by decision of the university, the highest result (100 points) for the exam in the relevant subject is taken into account.
              2. CONTROL
                CONTROL 14 July 2016 09: 21
                +1
                Quote: Belgorod
                The winners of regional olympiads participate in all-Russian olympiads and universities are hunting for these guys. This is ELITE.
                By the way, last year there was a scandal with the journalism faculty of Moscow State University (objectionable were eliminated at admission)

                In general - at MSU exams are taken mainly by wallets! Especially - on "creative" "fakies" ...
                1. nadezhiva
                  nadezhiva 14 July 2016 13: 03
                  0
                  laughing That's about the wallet for one creative faculty this year I will know for sure)))) Although, to be honest, I assumed that they compete according to completely different criteria.
          2. Belgorod
            Belgorod 13 July 2016 21: 09
            +11
            I'm sorry!!!
            Not eight!
            A NINE TUTORIALS!
            I forgot TECHNOLOGY (labor)
            You present the first grader with these "textbooks"
            Will he read them? Is he ? He wants to run, play!
            And this set is for four years!
            Want a REAL way to reform education?
            Hand out spikes, grenades and grenade launchers to angry parents.
            That eight-ten hours at work, plus the road, plus cooking cleaning
            And then the lessons with the children
            Ok math, Russian and main subjects
            And parents fulfill teachers' fantasies - crafts, etc.
            Yes, they will clean up the Ministry of Education in half an hour
            Regional and district departments in 15 minutes
            And those who write such nonsense (textbooks) should be sentenced to the highest measure - forced to return the money
            By the way - Or maybe the football team also studied in these textbooks and wrote tests?
            1. goblin xnumx
              goblin xnumx 13 July 2016 21: 53
              +8
              I was thinking for a minute how the ministry could be cleaned with coloshes :) - maybe "Kalash"? - yes, it's not the current in the exam
              1. KLV
                KLV 14 July 2016 08: 35
                0
                Maybe galoshes?
            2. 97110
              97110 13 July 2016 21: 59
              0
              Quote: Belgorod
              Hand out the ears

              Is this about the army with pictures? And in Russian it is impossible?
              1. Outsider V.
                Outsider V. 13 July 2016 22: 48
                +1
                USE is to blame ...
              2. Mestny
                Mestny 14 July 2016 00: 45
                +1
                Well, of course! Remember, the song was like this - "Distribute the ears, Lieutenant Golitsin."
                Or stop, it’s not there, there seem to be distributing galoshes ... Why?
                Nifiga is not clear who these ears are. The author of the post was not enough four textbooks.
                The trouble with this literacy.
            3. Consul-t
              Consul-t 14 July 2016 09: 09
              +1
              And then the lessons with the children
              Ok math, Russian and main subjects
              And parents fulfill teachers' fantasies - crafts, etc.
              Yes, they will clean up the Ministry of Education in half an hour
              Regional and district departments in 15 minutes


              I support. Three children themselves, this has seen enough ... horror.
            4. avia1991
              avia1991 14 July 2016 20: 47
              0
              Quote: Belgorod
              And parents fulfill teachers' fantasies - crafts, etc.

              Another nonsense. Your wife is definitely not working at school! So take an interest in what educational officials are doing, what brought the School to a pen ?!
              These are not "teachers' fantasies", but mandatory elements of the curriculum - in accordance with the requirements of the Federal State Educational Standard! But with those pri.du.r.kami that these federal state educational standards invented, I would gladly meet in a dark alley! am
          3. 97110
            97110 13 July 2016 21: 56
            +6
            Quote: Belgorod
            Well, in principle, we don’t get used to it - before the war, the tankers studied their tanks according to the pictures)

            What army have you thrown mud into now? Before what war did you have to get used to it? Or is it in your circle a sign of "your" - to cheat on something Soviet. I cheated - and a deep sleep. Minus from the heart.
            1. Belgorod
              Belgorod 13 July 2016 22: 16
              -1
              About WWII
              In 1940, the pilots raid was 2 hours 10 minutes
              One of the commanders of the tank school appealed to Stalin with a demand to stop studying the technique of sticking on blocks
              In the fall of 1943, there was an order from the Supreme on the allocation of fuel for training mechanical drivers. Believe me, I know what I'm saying. I know so many facts about the Second World War that my hair stands on end. (By the way, everything is in the public domain)
              I bow to Putin for the fact that he created a REALLY ADAPTABLE army, before the start (pah-pah) of military operations, and not as usual in Russia after
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 13 July 2016 23: 52
                +2
                Quote: Belgorod
                I bow to Putin for the fact that he created a REALLY ADAPTABLE army, before the start (pah-pah) of military operations, and not as usual in Russia after

                You are not talking about the second Chechen?
          4. boris117
            boris117 13 July 2016 23: 04
            +2
            The exam is not a system of verification of education. This is a forced defense against bribe-takers in universities. Examination seems to give some kind of confidence in objectivity. But the exam system completely destroys education. This exam brings the student into the system of knowledge. Makes him dig deeper into questions. The exam will make and teach you how to solve problems. The exam can be left, but after it a real entrance exam. USE will stop completely useless. And for the purchase of the exam it is necessary to punish the one who is involved in this sale, and for a student for five years, a general ban on entering a university is generally prohibited.
          5. avia1991
            avia1991 14 July 2016 20: 38
            0
            Quote: Belgorod
            Understand the exam - the system of verification of EDUCATION, including teachers.
            Without the Unified State Examination, they got laf - grandmothers collected and, according to the tariff rate, delivered assessments.
            They developed any moronic system, they got the money. Super!!!
            Why do they need the exam?

            Brad.
            And where does your wife work in education? Probably in some kind of "educational" institution. For you are talking nonsense, sir - I speak with full responsibility!
            If your wife worked at school - you would not have written anything like this in your life! hi
        4. 97110
          97110 13 July 2016 21: 48
          -1
          Quote: nadezhiva
          And how not to believe?

          A radio box daily gives the joy of communicating with aliens. In the Pearl rod ... How can you not believe it?
        5. avia1991
          avia1991 14 July 2016 00: 40
          +3
          Quote: nadezhiva
          Associate Professor is cunning. Moscow State University does not recruit students based on the results of only the exam. Faculties pass a profile (journalism, it seems, writes an essay).

          Moscow State University is subordinate to the Ministry of Education. And with all the importance that a respected university has for the country, the Livanov’s department puts pressure on the leadership not childishly! And the requirement is simple: a set according to the results of the exam. Did you not know? It’s strange.
          Yes, Moscow State University is stalking, demanding preferences for itself. But this does not always work - especially if the administration has something to "remember". So be less surprised!
          As for the results of the dictation, I am not at all surprised: a very real state of affairs, I know about it "from the inside", so you can not throw accusations of "exaggerating colors". By the way, when was the article published? Maybe she was last year?
          1. CONTROL
            CONTROL 14 July 2016 09: 31
            0
            Quote: avia1991
            By the way, when did the article come out? Maybe she was last year?

            Article 5-7 years, no less ...
            1. nadezhiva
              nadezhiva 14 July 2016 22: 48
              0
              Quote: CONTROL
              [Article 5-7 years old, no less ...
              VO reprints articles five years ago? Do not dishonor the site. This cannot be.
          2. nadezhiva
            nadezhiva 14 July 2016 22: 47
            0
            Quote: avia1991
            By the way, when did the article come out? Maybe she was last year?
            The reference to the source ordered to live long. My computer refuses to open it.
        6. Larra anathema
          Larra anathema 15 July 2016 00: 48
          0
          Quote: nadezhiva
          the old, kind, beloved list system will return (from the rector, administration, etc., etc.).

          The trouble is that there are exactly the same "lists" in the situation with the exam.
          She herself was a witness, being in the office of a large boss in the field of culture and education of our city: he received a call on his mobile phone, I could clearly hear what the calling lady was asking for. Like, help, Peter Vasilich, Olenka USE did not pass, did not score points.
          So, comradeSCh, in my presence, did not hesitate to clarify the data of the poor student with my mother, opened a program in my computer and immediately recognized the number under which this girl was listed "anonymously". The number of points scored by her was also indicated there.
          After that, the official reassured his aunt, assuring that her daughter would "pass" the exam well.

          How this is done technically, I do not know. But "for what I bought, for what I sell."
          By the way, this person is still working in education. It inflicts irreparable benefits, presumably.
      2. Runx135
        Runx135 13 July 2016 17: 09
        +7
        Quote: Temples
        There is a person responsible for education - the minister. He has a leader - a lover of bitten apples. This is a sweet couple and should be responsible for the appearance of aliens in schools, universities and further throughout the country

        In the fall we will have the opportunity to show him his place ...
      3. Runx135
        Runx135 13 July 2016 17: 09
        +1
        Quote: Temples
        There is a person responsible for education - the minister. He has a leader - a lover of bitten apples. This is a sweet couple and should be responsible for the appearance of aliens in schools, universities and further throughout the country

        In the fall we will have the opportunity to show him his place ...
        1. Boatsman_Palych
          Boatsman_Palych 13 July 2016 17: 31
          +16
          That is, do you seriously believe that you can NOT elect a party of thieves-officials in the "elections"?
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 14 July 2016 20: 53
            0
            Quote: Boatswain_Palych
            Do you seriously believe

            Believe me, do not believe it .. I WANT VERY !!!!! TO FINALLY HAPPEN IT!
            Those who believe should be taken by the gills to be honest. Everyone has "buttons" .. only there is no one to organize this work.
        2. Very old
          Very old 13 July 2016 19: 55
          +6
          Only one "left" - the mothers were indignant
          Try wisely to pick up, and two unnamed
          Weak?
      4. veteran66
        veteran66 13 July 2016 18: 20
        +9
        Quote: Temples
        It's easier to blame on the exam or some other ge.

        I completely agree with this, the Unified State Exam is a way of assessing education, and if the question is correctly posed, it is not completely biased and will democratically assess the quality of education. At one time I passed the exams at the university, the same thing, maybe not on this scale, we had: fake medalists, honors students, just excellent students, then more, lieutenants came, whose reports cannot be read without tears (from laughter or annoyance) there were also exams, by the way. There have always been, are and will be "vertebrates", "hairy" and other categories. The exam can cut off amateurs, but with complete transparency of the process. Education in general, that's what urgently needs to be corrected!
        1. jura61
          jura61 13 July 2016 18: 53
          +5
          I fully share your opinion. I can’t understand the critics, I also took the exam, knew mathematics by four, and wrote about 90 points (we had one choice for the rest of the school in the old fashioned way). Which option is better to pass exams first at school then at the university, etc. In my opinion, the corruption component is declining. My son goes to school, we already practice testing with him, there is a renewal site where they conduct peculiar Olympiads, the fee is symbolic, the tasks come the child fulfills the spouse draws them up and sends them. Everything is built on the honesty of the parents themselves or the teachers, the result comes with a diploma. Tasks of course are very difficult in my understanding for his age, but on the other hand it is already visible where there are gaps or weaknesses.
          1. 97110
            97110 13 July 2016 22: 04
            +4
            Quote: jura61
            we already practice testing with him there is an extension site where they conduct peculiar Olympiads, the fee is symbolic, the tasks come the child fulfills the spouse draws them up and sends them.

            And for this pearl is also four? Do not torture the child, write in simple sentences. And it’s easier for us to read the work of a connoisseur of education.
          2. CONTROL
            CONTROL 14 July 2016 09: 45
            +1
            Quote: jura61
            I fully share your opinion. I can’t understand the critics, I also took the exam, knew mathematics by four, and wrote about 90 points (we had one choice for the rest of the school in the old fashioned way).

            In which class did you go about solving differential equations? System of differential equations? ... And the integral calculus? and equations? ...
            I'm in the 9-10th! And now they are not there at all! the program is not laid ... And at the university - technical! - appear on the 2nd year! Because the 1st year is a 60-90% 10th grade program of the SOVIET comprehensive school! so rustic ...
            -----------------
            ... I liked the "ears" and grenade launchers! ... I would have picked it up myself, despite my age ...
        2. CONTROL
          CONTROL 14 July 2016 09: 40
          +1
          Quote: veteran66
          The exam is able to cut off amateurs, but with complete transparency of the process. Education in general, that's what urgently needs to be fixed!

          ... So here, at VO sho, they "muddy" the process? Are they deprived, so to speak, of transparency?
          -----------
          "Vertebrates" and "hairy" do not work after receiving a "red-green-buck" diploma in enterprises, schools, universities or collective farms! They are dear to ministries and departments, to where their dads ... or "daddies" ...
      5. sgazeev
        sgazeev 13 July 2016 18: 36
        -1
        Hamlet's eternal question: "Coffee-ONO or ON". belay
        1. Mahmut
          Mahmut 13 July 2016 18: 58
          +5
          Hamlet's eternal question: "Coffee-IT or IT"

          Instant coffee is it. Grain - he is.
          1. Viktor77
            Viktor77 13 July 2016 19: 45
            +1
            Instant coffee is he.
          2. nadezhiva
            nadezhiva 13 July 2016 21: 04
            +2
            Quote: Mahmut
            Hamlet's eternal question: "Coffee-IT or IT"

            Instant coffee is it. Grain - he is.

            Not. Only masculine. I mean, He wink
            1. 97110
              97110 13 July 2016 22: 07
              +3
              Quote: nadezhiva
              Only masculine.

              Hope this is sexism!
              1. CONTROL
                CONTROL 14 July 2016 09: 48
                0
                Quote: 97110
                Quote: nadezhiva
                Only masculine.

                Hope this is sexism!

                ... with "blue"?
            2. ARES623
              ARES623 14 July 2016 17: 58
              0
              Quote: nadezhiva
              Not. Only masculine. I mean, He

              But they didn't guess ... Coffee - and "he" is acceptable, and "it" - is acceptable. The materiel, however ... and fresh news from the "plenums of the Central Committee".
        2. nerd.su
          nerd.su 13 July 2016 20: 29
          +5
          Quote: sgazeev
          Hamlet's eternal question: "Coffee-IT or IT"

          If my memory serves me right, the Ministry of Education allowed a neuter gender for the word "coffee". Either only in colloquial speech, or in general. But, it seems to me that the words "devil" and "ministry of education" are of the neuter gender, and coffee is still masculine.
          1. Viktor77
            Viktor77 13 July 2016 20: 40
            +4
            The Ministry of Education will soon allow something wrong. Such "specialists" will come there as in the article, and soon we will learn that, for example, the earth is flat, and how Kutuzov defeated Hitler ...
            1. CONTROL
              CONTROL 14 July 2016 09: 50
              +1
              Quote: Viktor77
              The Ministry of Education will soon allow something wrong. Such "specialists" will come there as in the article, and soon we will learn that, for example, the earth is flat, and how Kutuzov defeated Hitler ...

              ... Napoleon and Bonaparte are the heroes of the civil ...
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 13 July 2016 22: 17
            +5
            Quote: bot.su
            and coffee is still male.

            Don’t tell me ... there is such a coffee that one wants to call it: IT. wassat
        3. 97110
          97110 13 July 2016 22: 05
          +2
          Quote: sgazeev
          "Coffee-ONO

          Sovereign Duma sentenced ...
        4. CONTROL
          CONTROL 14 July 2016 09: 47
          +2
          Quote: sgazeev
          Hamlet's eternal question: "Coffee-ONO or ON". belay

          The answer is only after drinking! ...
      6. 97110
        97110 13 July 2016 21: 43
        -1
        Quote: Temples
        This sweet couple should be responsible for the appearance of aliens in schools, universities and further throughout the country.

        These should answer. But why not illiterate journalists to rearrange cancer to Moscow? Announcers? There is no one to indicate to the media leadership the qualifications of the staff? Cover up due to lack of knowledge of the Russian language by the staff a couple of media ... You see, it will be fashionable to know the numerals among the announcers.
      7. Outsider V.
        Outsider V. 13 July 2016 22: 40
        -1
        Quote: Temples
        Journalists and broadcasters on television are declining words of a secondary kind.


        I understand correctly that journalists and broadcasters should write and say this:
        "If I were you, I wouldn't think about the past summer?"
        "And from our window you can see Red Square ..."?
        "It's my birthday today"?
        "No beer !!!"
        1. Outsider V.
          Outsider V. 16 July 2016 18: 51
          0
          Judging by the minus I put down, I'm wrong, and now the norm should be "No beer!" wassat
      8. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 14 July 2016 00: 55
        +2
        Quote: Temples
        There is a person responsible for education - the minister.
        He has a leader - a lover of bitten apples.

        I remind you that these two characters have a higher boss, who approved them in office. And this senior official is quite satisfied with the work of the government as a whole and the Ministry of Education, in particular.
        Quote: Temples
        This sweet couple should be responsible for the appearance of aliens in schools, universities and further throughout the country.

        Why are you persistently bracketing and trying to whitewash the country's chief manager?
        Wake up at last!
        Here are some quotes from history, read and remember that our grandfathers defeated these ghouls!
        A. Hitler
        The Slavs must work for us, and if we no longer need them, let them die. Vaccinations and health care are unnecessary for them. Slavic fertility is undesirable ... education is dangerous. It is enough if they will be able to count to one hundred ... Every educated person is our future enemy.
        All sentimental objections should be dropped.
        You need to rule this people with iron determination. "

        G. Himmler
        "... The principle line for us is absolutely clear - this people should not be given culture. I want to repeat here word for word what the Fuehrer told me. It’s quite enough: firstly, so that children in schools remember traffic signs and do not throw themselves under cars; secondly, so that they learn the multiplication table, but only up to 25; thirdly, so that they learn to sign their surname. They don’t need anything else ...
        A. Hitler
        "If Russians, Ukrainians, Kirghiz, etc. will be able to read and write, it can only hurt us."
        A. Hitler
        "If Russians, Ukrainians, Kirghiz, etc. will be able to read and write, it can only hurt us."

        And here are the later followers of Hitler:
        "Episode after episode, the tragedy of the death of the most rebellious people on earth, the final irreversible extinction of its self-consciousness, will be played out, grandiose in scale ..."
        "From literature and art, we, for example, will gradually erase their social essence, alienate artists, discourage them from engaging in depicting, investigating (researching), or something, those processes that take place in the depths of the masses.

        Literature, theaters, cinema, the press - everything will depict and glorify the most base human feelings, we will in every possible way support and raise the so-called artists who will plant and hammer into the human consciousness the cult of sex, violence, sadism, betrayal - in short, all immorality. "
        Find ten differences from the present!

        I do not like Mikhalkov, but here he is right!

      9. Outsider V.
        Outsider V. 14 July 2016 09: 49
        0
        No beer ...
      10. plebs
        plebs 15 July 2016 01: 56
        0
        Just they do not want to answer.
        We do not wish to ask, that is the main trouble.
    2. cniza
      cniza 13 July 2016 16: 50
      +15
      It is necessary to save our future by returning to the old system of education and normal exams, otherwise Russia will end.
      1. stas
        stas 13 July 2016 17: 16
        +8
        Our patriotism has become obscene.
        After all, in order to get a plus on VO, and to remain a patriot, we began to lie to each other and lie.
        The exam is an encouraged idea of ​​Putin, and only he is to blame, not the one-day ministers.

        Well done Putin, clamped everyone down, but his people do not need spread rot.

        Right now, patriots will viciously minus and tear the heating pad with their teeth.

        Only from this, Putin will not change anything. You let off steam and gas.
        1. stas
          stas 13 July 2016 17: 46
          +4
          Well, patriots rushed with minuses at the ready, as if it would help someone. Without changing the political system, we will increasingly turn into seemingly patriots.

          Under capitalism, there can be no patriots, there is a loot that decides everything.
          1. Khariton
            Khariton 13 July 2016 18: 05
            +3
            Quote: stas
            Well, patriots rushed with minuses at the ready, as if it would help someone. Without changing the political system, we will increasingly turn into seemingly patriots.

            Under capitalism, there can be no patriots, there is a loot that decides everything.

            The patriots are just for and resist as much as they can throughout Russia .... But the liberals really like this system, they want to arrange another redistribution of property! The consumer society is already almost created from the generation of "Pepsi" .. They are resisting, so far it is "born in the USSR" ... But there are fewer and fewer of us! We noticed how the pressure (even on the VO website) of the fight against the "Urakles" increased sharply. ...? The substitution of values ​​is going on, like "real patriots" are people who criticize the system and manipulate facts competently in all media (they no longer go to the marsh one ..))) They are picking in our souls by men, subtly urging us to rebellion all against all..I can smell it with genes, always! (they smell big profits when the troubles begin in Russia again ..) God forbid .. Save and save Russia!
            1. stas
              stas 13 July 2016 20: 37
              -1
              Khariton is not the tone, it is Vi who defines your patriotism.

              Such correct patriots change their views in time.
              Betray this not to change, but to predict in time, here is Khariton your creed.
            2. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 14 July 2016 01: 10
              +2
              Quote: Chariton
              and! The consumer society is almost created from the generation of "Pepsi" .. They are resisting, so far it is precisely "born in the USSR" ... But we are fewer and fewer!

              This is the only thing that is true from your comment.
              ---------------
              Let me quote our colleague, it really sunk into the soul:
              "Recently, I often regret that I didn’t have a chance to be born in the 1920s, in order to personally become a contemporary of those great people who created a people's republic by blood and then.
              Rise to the attack: “For Homeland”, and then either perish, clearly knowing why, or survive, and after the victory take off the country, live modestly, but humanly, sincerely be friends, believe in a bright future and spare nothing for it build ....
              But it did not happen ...
              Probably the worst thing for my generation was to live on a break, at the very edge of the transition from Light to Darkness, half life there and half life here.
              Will there be enough for us that inner charge of the Great Victories that nourished Us in order to withstand the current obscurantism and Darkness that has seized our Motherland?
              Is there enough common sense to figure out what is “white” and what is “black”?
              After all, it is Our generation that is the extreme that forced the USSR, We are the last “guardians” of its ideals, Our last line, there is nowhere to go “behind Moscow”, and before Us the enemy is cunning, treacherous, deceitful, greedy and merciless and with it only unbridled Darkness.
              And if we ourselves do not give ourselves order No. 227, then there will be nobody else to give it!
              Either we are rebuilding the Soviet country, pushing off from the last frontier, or a shameful slow extinction.
              And here already everyone decides for himself.
              1. CONTROL
                CONTROL 14 July 2016 10: 10
                +1
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                Let me quote our colleague, it really sunk into the soul:
                "Recently, I often regret that I didn’t have a chance to be born in the 1920s, in order to personally become a contemporary of those great people who created a people's republic by blood and then.
                Rise to the attack: “For Homeland”, and then either perish, clearly knowing why, or survive, and after the victory take off the country, live modestly, but humanly, sincerely be friends, believe in a bright future and spare nothing for it build ....
                But it did not happen ...

                Bulat Okudzhava: ... but if all of a sudden
                I won’t be able to protect myself,
                what a new battle
                nor would the earth shake
                I will fall on that one
                on that one Civil
                and commissioners in dusty helmets
                bow silently over me.
                beautiful, huh? He fought, was the idol of an entire generation! But he died - as a notorious liberalist, standing in the same row with Makaronych and Akhedzhakova ... present! Tragedy? Even some!...
                So - it is necessary to classify living people extremely carefully, fully observing the principle "let him be the first to throw into me that stone ... "and" do not judge - you will not be judged "...
        2. Outsider V.
          Outsider V. 13 July 2016 22: 52
          0
          Putin is sleeping, and sees how the poetic literacy of the people would worsen ...
      2. potroshenko
        potroshenko 13 July 2016 17: 37
        +8
        Yes, here on the site every second person does not know the rules of the Russian language, and almost all adult uncles with a Soviet education.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 13 July 2016 19: 05
          +7
          Quote: potroshenko
          Yes, every second person on the site doesn’t know the rules of the Russian language,

          You too. sad But here the people are different, and far from all came to Moscow State University as a journalist. negative
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 13 July 2016 19: 50
            +1
            potroshenko UA
            Yes, here on the site every second person does not know the rules of the Russian language, and almost all adult uncles with a Soviet education.

            Mordvin 3
            You too. sad But here the people are different, and not everyone went to the Moscow State University as a journalist.

            What's the problem? Let's conduct a dictation and see who is worth what. This is easy to do. The initiative group reads the text on the video, the video is uploaded to YouTube, at hour "H" we all sit down at the computer, listen to this video and write in Word, make a screen and upload it. wink
            P.S. I forgot to disable "error correction" when writing. I hope our audience is honest.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 13 July 2016 19: 57
              +14
              It’s just after, I don’t know in which year this note was written ..
              1. Outsider V.
                Outsider V. 13 July 2016 22: 54
                0
                This is for Patolog Anatom ...
                1. CONTROL
                  CONTROL 14 July 2016 10: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: Outsider V.
                  This is for Patolog Anatom ...

                  ... is this name and surname? Is there a middle name?
                  1. Outsider V.
                    Outsider V. 14 July 2016 10: 43
                    +1
                    I will answer with the words of Rosenbaum: "There is no Fatherland here, there is no patronymic either" ...
            2. CONTROL
              CONTROL 14 July 2016 10: 15
              +1
              Quote: sabakina
              Let's draw a dictation and see who is worth what.

              ... And on h.r.e-n-ah?
              Better I, as having received excellent upbringing and pretty much more abrasive, I will sing with ashipka ...
              ----
              But in general, the idea is sound! ...
          2. veteran66
            veteran66 13 July 2016 19: 59
            +4
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            the people are different, and far from all came to Moscow State University as a journalist.

            and at school they don’t train journalists at MSU, the knowledge gives everyone the same, moreover, the simplest rules of grammar and spelling. By the way, parents are required to check their children's homework (if it's Parents, and not biological successors of the genus), so why is everyone talking about the exam? Their mistakes must be corrected both in grammar and in education.
          3. potroshenko
            potroshenko 14 July 2016 10: 37
            +2
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: potroshenko
            Yes, every second person on the site doesn’t know the rules of the Russian language,

            You too. sad But here the people are different, and far from all came to Moscow State University as a journalist. negative

            I know, unlike you. I advise you not to blame at Moscow State University, it was necessary to study at school.
        2. Khariton
          Khariton 13 July 2016 19: 38
          +2
          Quote: potroshenko
          Yes, here on the site every second person does not know the rules of the Russian language, and almost all adult uncles with a Soviet education.

          Here the forum is not for Russian language teachers .. Enough to find fault! Men write on emotions (many fought and saw their comrades die ..) .. And there is no time for spelling, etc. ! By the way, in many forums, the liberal, not knowing how to answer, begins to catch on "knowledge of the Russian language .." It's just all over the place .. (the instructions they probably came from the State Department ..)))) So you have now humiliated a whole generation, at the expense of which you still live (plants, factories, explored and developed natural resources ..) Well, I don’t know what else to tell you ... A decent generation is growing with us now, nevertheless ... There are queues and competitions in the military registration and enlistment offices! They just got all of Russia and the veterans with "tears in their eyes" look at us all DO NOT SELL US FOR GOD'S GRANDDIES ..! These are the things in the tank forces ... And we also have "international Russian", everyone in the world understands it (but it is forbidden alas ..)))) It comes from the soul, when it hurts it becomes a "nightingale song" ... You can check if you hit your finger with a hammer (check whether you are Russian or not))))))
          1. veteran66
            veteran66 13 July 2016 20: 04
            +12
            Quote: Chariton
            Men write sometimes on emotions (many fought and saw how their comrades died ..)

            No such excuses are needed, I saw death notes, often with blood on the wall, but they were error-free. You know, without too much pathos, I also saw how they perish, but, nevertheless, I try to write without errors, as it turns out, thanks to the old school.
            1. Khariton
              Khariton 13 July 2016 20: 30
              +4
              Quote: veteran66
              Quote: Chariton
              Men write sometimes on emotions (many fought and saw how their comrades died ..)

              No such excuses are needed, I saw death notes, often with blood on the wall, but they were error-free. You know, without too much pathos, I also saw how they perish, but, nevertheless, I try to write without errors, as it turns out, thanks to the old school.

              In what way, you are right .... There is a concept in the Russian language "gross mistakes", it always jars me! But those "born in the USSR" hardly allow them! (on the VO website, that's for sure) hi I think our youth on the VO website can learn the Russian language (I was a three-year-old)))) But I try to write correctly with an assistant (although he often lies ..)))) Do not swear and you will not be scolded! hi
              1. CONTROL
                CONTROL 14 July 2016 10: 21
                +1
                Quote: Chariton
                Quote: veteran66
                Quote: Chariton
                Men write sometimes on emotions (many fought and saw how their comrades died ..)

                No such excuses are needed, I saw death notes, often with blood on the wall, but they were error-free. You know, without too much pathos, I also saw how they perish, but, nevertheless, I try to write without errors, as it turns out, thanks to the old school.

                In what way, you are right .... There is a concept in the Russian language "gross mistakes", it always jars me! But those "born in the USSR" hardly allow them! (on the VO website, that's for sure) hi I think our youth on the VO website can learn the Russian language (I was a three-year-old)))) But I try to write correctly with an assistant (although he often lies ..)))) Do not swear and you will not be scolded! hi

                "Ochepyatok" happens ... I admit it myself! Inattention ... haste ... emotions !!!
              2. potroshenko
                potroshenko 14 July 2016 10: 47
                0
                Quote: Chariton
                I think our youth on the VO website can learn the Russian language (I was a three-year-old)))) But I try to write correctly with an assistant

                Yes, do not make me laugh.
          2. 97110
            97110 13 July 2016 22: 15
            +3
            Quote: Chariton
            So now you have humiliated an entire generation

            I didn't feel humiliated. He graduated from school in 1972. It is not harmful to address the criticized person to "you", humiliated ...
          3. potroshenko
            potroshenko 14 July 2016 10: 45
            -1
            Quote: Chariton
            By the way, in many forums, the liberal, not knowing how to answer, begins to catch on "knowledge of the Russian language .." It's just all over the place ..

            You use a cheap trick, blame everything on "liberalism", and in fact knowledge of the Russian language speaks about the level of education of a person and his intellect. What kind of lofty matters can you talk about with a drinking poor student?
            Quote: Chariton
            So now you have humiliated a whole generation, due to which you still live (factories, factories, explored and developed natural resources ..)

            I live only at the expense of myself and not a penny less. At the expense of factories, factories and natural resources, oligarchs live under power, to which I cannot rank myself. So your training manuals are out of date.
      3. veteran66
        veteran66 13 July 2016 18: 26
        -1
        Quote: cniza
        by returning to the old education system and normal exams

        but nobody changed the system in our country, it’s just that the quality of education has decreased, education must be brought up to the old standards, but the old exam system is not needed.
        1. 97110
          97110 13 July 2016 22: 19
          +1
          Quote: veteran66
          but nobody changed the system in our country

          Have you noticed a change in the socio-economic formation? How did you become a human resource from a person who sounds proud? As I was taught in scientific communism, in every social phenomenon you need to see the economic base.
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    4. bastard
      bastard 13 July 2016 19: 02
      +9
      Quote: vkl.47
      such as zlobin and sytin and the like, they make future liberal pests at their lectures. All 《towers》 captured such ones. And as a result, Dimka Anatolians come in from higher institutions.

      You forgot to mention the notorious Vovchik and the oligarchs, commanders of the above persons.
      Mother (the kingdom of heaven) taught Russian language and literature. Four mistakes in dictation - two. Hard. Two punctuation errors were equated to one spelling. These are requirements for grades 3-5. Is that all, joppa?
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 14 July 2016 10: 23
        +2
        Quote: villain
        Mother (the kingdom of heaven) taught Russian language and literature. Four mistakes in dictation - two. Hard. Two punctuation errors were equated to one spelling. These are requirements for grades 3-5. Is that all, joppa?

        ... She, darling! ...
    5. yurii p
      yurii p 13 July 2016 20: 21
      +7
      Dimons, Lebanons, Siluanovs, Medinsky (memorial plaque to Manerheim, the killer of Leningrad) Ulyukaevs, all these rats came out of the most liberal party, it is not from the SPS or PARNAS, but by the well-known party of EP officials, Gazprom’s stronghold in the State Duma, and if you think about it then Gazprom is roofing the country, and even in the case of Taburetkin and Vasilyeva you can see the trail of Gazprom, its vice president Zubkov.
    6. gav6757
      gav6757 13 July 2016 23: 49
      +6
      Who develops and implements the programs at the school? Representatives of the authorities and the ruling United Russia party! Everything is done to fool our children, in order to make them vote for the EP. Solzhenitsyn was included in the school curriculum, how to understand this? This man, speaking in the US Congress, asked to drop nuclear bombs on our homeland! Soon, Yeltsin will be included there, which palace of his memory was built, at our expense. Who did it? And who is in power? Yes, all the same !!! Chubais, Serdyukov, Kudrin, etc. And, it seems, not in the EP, but no, the other is visible, if you look closely, one world is smeared ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeUV2u1LHes
    7. AlexSam
      AlexSam 14 July 2016 14: 11
      0
      What does zlobin have to do with it? people live and work in the states, a history textbook was written a long time ago ... thanks to the minobru, who was democratized as a drunk conductor, so he continues to do his dirty deed ...
    8. Krokodil68
      Krokodil68 16 July 2016 03: 31
      +1
      ... such as zlobin and sytin and the like, do future liberal pests at their lectures .... (c)

      Sorry, no offense ..
      And you, from which "future" came? wink

      ------------------
      Actual participles of the present tense are formed from the BASIS OF PRESENT VERBS OF THE UNFINISHED TYPE with the help of suffixes of the limits, box, box. Although the words future and next have lost the meaning of the sacrament in modern Russian, they have become adjectives, they are written according to the rules for spelling the participles.

      In the word future (by origin - participle) the suffix -usch is added to the basis of bud-, therefore, an extra vowel should not be written before the suffix.

      The future (what am I doing?) I will (the basis of the BUD + USCH = future); the next (what am I doing?) the next (base TRACK + YUSCH = next).
      Conclusion: in the word “future” there is no letter Y because it is not in the verb, and in the word “next” there is the letter Y, because it is in the verb.
      -------------------------------------

      PS And this, with all this, despite the fact that I am not a liberal at all.
      Just such a principle.
      If you criticize - be UNMISSIBLE in this field of criticism!
  2. hirurg
    hirurg 13 July 2016 15: 59
    +17
    It is necessary to return entrance exams to universities. And leave the exam as a preliminary test. Examination should not be a determining factor.
    Then schools will prepare for exams, write dictations. And so purely on the exam trained.
    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 13 July 2016 16: 03
      +58
      Quote: hirurg
      It is necessary to return entrance exams to universities. And leave the exam as a preliminary test. Examination should not be a determining factor.


      An urgent need to return the Soviet education system, by the way BEST IN THE WORLD! USE in the furnace, so that even the spirit is not left! By the way, the Soviet textbooks are also returned, well, it can only be removed from the history of the congresses of the CPSU, no one really taught it seriously.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 16: 09
        .
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        An urgent need to return the Soviet education system

        Well, of course, now a person can pass the exam in the Far East and apply for admission to several Moscow universities, and if the exam is canceled, he will have to pass the entrance exams and he is unlikely to have time to pass them to several universities. An applicant may not be bad, but let's say a high competition and not enough for him to enter. So tell him to wait a year to try again?
        1. carabiner sks
          carabiner sks 13 July 2016 16: 23
          +29
          And you just don’t have to study ALL at the university. The university should prepare managers and / or scientific personnel, and not all kinds of managers. If there are all commanders, who will be in the subordinates?
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 13 July 2016 16: 32
            +21
            Quote: carbine sks
            And you just don’t have to study ALL at the university. The university should prepare managers and / or scientific personnel, and not all kinds of managers. If there are all commanders, who will be in the subordinates?


            Absolutely right! We are taught that higher education is the ultimate dream. But why do we need so many managers, it is not clear what professions ?! We need technical schools and vocational schools, and not another pseudo-university that produces another batch of lawyers and economists, who, incidentally, can’t do it with a foot in law or in economics ... Now you won’t find a normal locksmith for a very good salary, but accountants who did not see the balance sheet in their eyes! Why on earth do we all need such a higher education ?! Talented children, even from the Far East, even from Mars, they will break their way, but who will stand at the machines (by the way, they are very high-tech, requiring special training) is this a question ?!
            1. Ribwort
              Ribwort 13 July 2016 16: 43
              +16
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              We need technical schools and vocational schools, and not another pseudo-university that produces another batch of lawyers and economists ...

              For this, graduates of vocational schools and techies need to pay the appropriate salary. It is hardly a secret for you that in most cases people go for higher education in order to have a high salary. In the meantime, we have a difference in salary between the locksmith and the manager sitting in the office with the kondeem, will be ten times, no one will voluntarily go to vocational schools ...
              1. Diana Ilyina
                Diana Ilyina 13 July 2016 16: 59
                +10
                Quote: Ribwort
                For this, graduates of vocational schools and techies need to pay the appropriate salary. It is hardly a secret for you that in most cases people go for higher education in order to have a high salary. In the meantime, we have a difference in salary between the locksmith and the manager sitting in the office with the kondeem, will be ten times, no one will voluntarily go to vocational schools ...


                I don’t know about you, but we have a highly skilled press maker, and even more so a foundry man gets a salary not lower than mine, but with premiums for overfulfillment even more. And I, for a second, the chief economist of the enterprise, by the way with a red diploma about education! So not everywhere as you describe.
                1. Ribwort
                  Ribwort 13 July 2016 17: 46
                  +10
                  Quote: Diana Ilyina
                  I do not know about you ...

                  Deputy General Director for Sanitation of premises - 10-12 tr
                  Repairman about 20 tr
                  Engineer of the technical department approximately 50 tr
                  Ch. economist and ch. engineer - 80-100 tr
                  Director General, deputies, members of the board of directors and other ghouls 150-250 tr
                  As the saying goes, feel the difference.
                  1. Outsider V.
                    Outsider V. 13 July 2016 23: 01
                    0
                    It is warming, but not being spoken. USE is to blame?
                2. stas
                  stas 13 July 2016 17: 52
                  +4
                  Diana, if you are ch. economist then you have not increased your mind, even with honors.

                  Everywhere the way you don’t say, and you have an exception, and probably it's just a lie. And who is your father and mother, and from here we will dance.
                3. stas
                  stas 13 July 2016 17: 56
                  +2
                  Diana, why are you hanging on the site during working hours and scribbling obscene things.
                  Che, ch. the economist has nothing to do to get a big salary.

                  One can feel the diploma, the higher the position with connections, the less work you need, and the more you get paid.
                4. veteran66
                  veteran66 13 July 2016 19: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: Diana Ilyina
                  by the way with a red diploma of education!

                  and writes such nonsense, and even with errors. Also a victim of the exam?
                  1. bastard
                    bastard 14 July 2016 18: 59
                    0
                    Quote: veteran66
                    and writes such nonsense, and even with errors. Also a victim of the exam?

                    Anazhezhenshchina! smile
              2. Maksus
                Maksus 13 July 2016 17: 12
                +6
                Quote: Ribwort
                For this, graduates of vocational schools and techies need to pay the appropriate salary. It’s hardly a secret for you, that in most cases they go for higher education in order to have a high salary. In the meantime, we will have a difference in salary between the locksmith and the manager sitting in the office with the kondeem, will be dozens of times, no one will voluntarily go to vocational schools ...


                True??? And why do I have a higher and TWO internship s / n less than in McDonald's ???
                1. Ribwort
                  Ribwort 13 July 2016 17: 59
                  0
                  Quote: Maksus
                  And why do I have with higher and TWO internship s / n less than in McDonald's ???

                  Can you get a job at McDonald's?
                  But seriously, I have no idea why. However, I note that narrow-profile specialists from medicine, whom sometimes you will not find in the daytime with fire, earn very well.
                  1. CONTROL
                    CONTROL 14 July 2016 10: 43
                    +1
                    Quote: Ribwort
                    Quote: Maksus
                    And why do I have with higher and TWO internship s / n less than in McDonald's ???

                    Can you get a job at McDonald's?
                    But seriously, I have no idea why. However, I note that narrow-profile specialists from medicine, whom sometimes you will not find in the daytime with fire, earn very well.

                    Specialist in diseases of the middle toe of the right foot? ...
                    This is the kind of dohtur that comes to our ward ... Here it comes: the door opens ... the stomach appears ... the stomach ... the stomach ... And after it - by itself! Dohtur ... Such a narrow specialist! ...
                  2. Maksus
                    Maksus 14 July 2016 10: 53
                    0
                    Already my specialty and nowhere ...
              3. 97110
                97110 13 July 2016 22: 37
                0
                Quote: Ribwort
                In the meantime, we have a difference in salary between the locksmith and the manager sitting in the office with the kondeem, will be ten times, no one will voluntarily go to vocational schools ...

                No already. It seems to you. The son-in-law works as a welder, the salary is deputy. heads of the district (official, ess-no). But you need to know how to cook this. Where do they teach? Where to get experience? Especially under your "the difference in salary for the locksmith and the manager sitting in the office with the kondeem will be tenfold."
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            3. bubalik
              bubalik 13 July 2016 17: 55
              +15
              Diana Ilyina (4) RU  Today, 16: 32 ↑ releasing the next batch of lawyers and economists, who, incidentally, are not in the tooth in law or in economics
              ,,, video on the topic ,,,
              1. adept666
                adept666 13 July 2016 18: 48
                +1
                ,,, video on the topic ,,,
                It's just tin, horror and a nightmare ...
                1. bubalik
                  bubalik 13 July 2016 19: 00
                  +2
                  request
                  adept666 KZ  Today, 18: 48 It's just tin, horror and a nightmare ...
                  ,,, and how such specialists will boost the economy ,,,
                  1. stas
                    stas 13 July 2016 20: 08
                    +1
                    So Diana receives a gorgeous salary, which means that she is raising up, for this she is paid.
                  2. adept666
                    adept666 13 July 2016 21: 27
                    +1
                    ,,, and how such specialists will boost the economy ,,,
                    Hmm ... that's all sad.
                  3. CONTROL
                    CONTROL 14 July 2016 10: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: bubalik
                    request
                    adept666 KZ  Today, 18: 48 It's just tin, horror and a nightmare ...
                    ,,, and how such specialists will boost the economy ,,,

                    Over the ears! Ali by the tail ...
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              2. Viktor77
                Viktor77 13 July 2016 20: 05
                +2
                This is the goal of the current education system. You just need a herd. There is no worse than a "specialist" who thinks that he knows everything! And universities on this training make good money-business.
            4. alstr
              alstr 13 July 2016 18: 17
              +3
              Here it is necessary to talk not only about higher education, but about the entire system of training. Starting from the school, where there were a lot of unnecessary subjects due to mathematics, physics, Russian, etc.
              If we consider the need for higher education, that is, an indisputable fact is the increase in the duration of studies from three classes in the 30s to 11 years now. And given the amount of knowledge, even the technical specialties (in fact, not finished higher education) no longer interfere even with working specialties. And this trend continues. Theoretically, each should have a higher education. That it is a must. But the second higher will give advantages at work.
              But unfortunately, this will not happen in the near future. Wow.
              It was simply a fact that there was an upward shift in the level of education and a decrease in the importance of the specialty. That is, even after the war the engineer was a high position and there were only a few of them in production, then already in the 80s as many engineers could work in the same workshop as there were 20 years ago (60s) in the whole enterprise. Although in fact these engineers did not work as an engineer (those of creating a new product), they worked on adapting the product to production, i.e. the technologist with the technical school was engaged earlier.
              And it’s also justified since the difficulty of producing and growing.
              For reference. According to the international labor organization, in the early 90s we had about 50 percent higher education, and about 90 special secondary education.
              But the 90s we were significantly spoiled statistics mk higher education has become unprofitable. it was a very strong blow, especially in pedagogy, where in about 15 to 20 years the succession in the pre-teaching system was lost. Vkterans left in a natural way and the youth came with completely different attitudes. As a result, we get scandals in schools. Universities.
              Unfortunately, the situation in education is similar to that described in Heinlein’s novel. There is a spacesuit ready to travel. And that was in the distant 59-60s of the last century.
              If you talk about vocational schools and technical schools, then in fact we lose them. maybe they used to be the blacksmith of the cadres of one of the large enterprises. And it was profitable. However, now large enterprises cannot always support them, while small ones cannot afford it all the more. It is necessary to return to this system through incentives for enterprises (groups) that would train qualified lower-level workers but eventually could become middle-level and even top-level workers. Such institutions would have trained graduates in abundance. This excess would go to small enterprises and also create competition for good jobs.
              1. CONTROL
                CONTROL 14 July 2016 10: 48
                0
                Quote: alstr
                Here we need to talk not only about higher education

                ... did not read further!
                Got ... to the liver!
            5. veteran66
              veteran66 13 July 2016 18: 29
              -1
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              but who will stand at the machines

              and you do not want to stand at the machine?
              1. stas
                stas 13 July 2016 20: 13
                0
                Standing .... is better, but inconvenient on 4 bones, but they are paid piece by piece.
            6. 97110
              97110 13 July 2016 22: 32
              0
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              We need

              And they do not need. And they rule. They have capital = power! Their aliens are happy. Writers' unions make it difficult for owners to make a profit.
          2. i80186
            i80186 13 July 2016 17: 00
            0
            Quote: carabiner sks
            And you just don’t have to study ALL at the university. The university should prepare managers and / or scientific personnel, and not all kinds of managers. If there are all commanders, who will be in the subordinates?

            That's right, here is Gironovsky’s rational grain, about the creation of writers and other great ones, and, as a result, of journalists. laughing
            1. stas
              stas 13 July 2016 20: 31
              +1
              Zhirik rationally works for himself, nothing depends on this prokhendey in Russia.
              He made a personal business out of politics. The Russians will shout ahead, while he himself will be at the cash desk for royalties.
              His task is to take away Zyuganov’s voice. Although Zyuganov himself does not need anything. , opu ate like a bad woman.
          3. veteran66
            veteran66 13 July 2016 18: 28
            +1
            Quote: carabiner sks
            And you just don’t have to study ALL at the university.

            how great, we will only teach Muscovites and associates, but are not afraid to lose the Lomonosovs?
            1. carabiner sks
              carabiner sks 13 July 2016 21: 06
              0
              In those distant times, when Lomonosov worked, it was absolutely unrealistic for people of his estate to get at least some kind of education. Based on this, I can say that we will not lose.
          4. Khariton
            Khariton 13 July 2016 21: 20
            +1
            Quote: carbine sks
            And you just don’t have to study ALL at the university. The university should prepare managers and / or scientific personnel, and not all kinds of managers. If there are all commanders, who will be in the subordinates?

            And who will decide this ... (money of the thief's dad ..)))? bully Familiar notes ... In the USSR there was a selection, while still at school ... Then at the factories the most intelligent were selected and sent to study .. And they became the leader, those who went through all the steps from the worker on and on ..
            And in sports we had it that way, athletes were selected in the provinces and led them further .. (any jamb and you went back to the collective farm to twist the tails of the bulls ..) The choice was huge everywhere, there were serious sports schools ... Now the money is on the main plan and who will pay more for tuition, etc ... We already have the "Elite" in Moscow and they no longer let anyone in (except for their relatives .. etc.) So Russia is marking time ..
          5. Outsider V.
            Outsider V. 13 July 2016 22: 59
            0
            Actually, now, not enough leaders / commanders, but engineers are missing. And engineers are trained at universities.
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        3. weksha50
          weksha50 13 July 2016 16: 36
          +18
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          So tell him to wait a year to try again?


          My classmate entered the medical institute four times ...
          And managed to serve, and work as a nurse-nurse ... Well, I had a dream to become a doctor !!! And at school I studied mainly in threes ...

          Yes, and I myself fell in the first year ... The next time I entered was after military service in the army ...

          So you did !!! And later he became a cool, respected specialist ...

          So - it’s okay if they don’t enter the first year ... Life does not end there ...
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 16: 40
            -1
            Quote: weksha50
            My classmate entered the medical institute four times ...
            And managed to serve, and work as a nurse-nurse ... Well, I had a dream to become a doctor !!! And at school I studied mainly in threes ...

            Yes, and I myself fell in the first year ... The next time I entered was after military service in the army ...

            So you did !!! And later he became a cool, respected specialist ...

            So - it’s okay if they don’t enter the first year ... Life does not end there ...

            This is not the question, for example, a person knows the subject well, passed all the entrance exams for 5, but there are a lot of people like him, there aren’t enough places for everyone. What to do?
            1. weksha50
              weksha50 13 July 2016 17: 26
              0
              Quote: Lt. air force reserve
              This is not the question for example, a person knows the subject well, passed all entrance exams for 5, but there are many of them like him, there are not enough places for everyone. What to do?


              In this ... And I answered this question... Both of us - both he and I - acted later, after serving in the army ... He - for the fourth time, I - for the second ... And our inner world did not collapse from this ...

              And we were far from being the only ones ...
              PS My daughter-in-law entered the university in the 34th year of life, already in a modern, damn, commercial ... But as a baggage foundation, she had a engineering college ... And nothing ...
              I have to help her sometimes ... I spit on textbooks and modern teachers ...
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 16 July 2016 12: 48
                0
                Quote: weksha50

                And we were far from being the only ones ...
                PS My daughter-in-law entered the university in the 34th year of life, already in a modern, damn, commercial ... But as a baggage foundation, she had a engineering college ... And nothing ...
                I have to help her sometimes ... I spit on textbooks and modern teachers ...

                Now half of the country works 12 hours for 2 hours each. How can you combine study and work with such a schedule? In addition, not every employer will let go of the session.
            2. pv1005
              pv1005 13 July 2016 17: 41
              +1
              Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
              Quote: weksha50
              My classmate entered the medical institute four times ...
              And managed to serve, and work as a nurse-nurse ... Well, I had a dream to become a doctor !!! And at school I studied mainly in threes ...

              Yes, and I myself fell in the first year ... The next time I entered was after military service in the army ...

              So you did !!! And later he became a cool, respected specialist ...

              So - it’s okay if they don’t enter the first year ... Life does not end there ...

              This is not the question, for example, a person knows the subject well, passed all the entrance exams for 5, but there are a lot of people like him, there aren’t enough places for everyone. What to do?

              This is not the question, for example, a person knows the subject well, passed all the exam on 100 points, but there are a lot of people like him, there aren’t enough places for everyone. What to do?
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 17: 50
                -1
                Quote: pv1005
                This is not the question, for example, a person knows the subject well, passed all the exam on 100 points, but there are a lot of people like him, there aren’t enough places for everyone. What to do?

                100 points are more difficult to pass, there are much more evaluation parameters, there are a lot of tasks. And at the introductory 1-in ticket and several tasks, a five-point system.
            3. ochakow703
              ochakow703 13 July 2016 17: 48
              0
              There are interviews on the profile, credentials commissions and other utilities that can recognize a high tendency of the applicant to this profession.
            4. adept666
              adept666 13 July 2016 17: 54
              +7
              This is not the question, for example, a person knows the subject well, passed all the entrance exams for 5, but there are a lot of people like him, there aren’t enough places for everyone. What to do?
              If a man is a Sharun, there is a place, and so on the subject of Soviet education a little, your humble servant entered the Moscow State Technical University. Bauman for his first higher education, having arrived from an urban-type settlement - Ermak (now the city of Aksu, Kazakhstan, Pavlodar region). And do not believe it, in a serious competition, two of us from this settlement passed us (32 thousand people of the whole city of metallurgists). Why am I ... to the fact that Soviet education gave a chance (if there is a craving for knowledge) to get it in the amount not inferior to even a graduate of a practically rural school in the capital, just then many didn’t blow at a university because a tractor-mechanic or a horn to cut money much more than an electronic engineer ... Besides this, is there only one university in our country? We have more than 10 million cities with millionaires and in them the universities are almost equal in authority and knowledge. The exams at the university or school were creative - essays, quizzes, history tickets, etc., where a person is seen as he thinks / thinks. Returning to my first admission to the university, when we were taking physics in front of me, a guy (from the city of Ivanovo) answered questions, who simply fell on the last question of the ticket (stupidly answered incorrectly because he did not know the answer is corny), but he answered the whole theory invented a new one and connected everything in such a logical way that the teacher for his approach and logical thinking considered the third question of the ticket as correct and he acted, but there were those who answered all the questions, but cramming was felt and fell on extra. questions (because they couldn’t apply their knowledge, I personally was asked 7 of them, I knew the answer to 5, one answered with some leading questions, one didn’t answer, but suggested (alas not correct) and couldn’t imagine smile collectively, the commission decided my fate about 10 minutes) and this is correct because if a person’s brain is not sharpened by the search for knowledge and its use he is not a constructor. And the Unified State Examination is pure cramming for the result, it does not teach a person to think, reflect, argue, defend one’s ideas and adopt others’s introducing a fresh look into them - this is a dead end and the death of our education IMHO ...
          2. veteran66
            veteran66 13 July 2016 19: 48
            0
            Quote: weksha50
            So - it’s okay if you don’t do it in the first year ...

            it's good to say if the family is wealthy or the university is nearby. I, too, did not enter the first (and not even the second time), I had to urgently serve, but I had a school in the same city. By the way, I didn’t do it because of the "vertebrates", the school was too thieves to go there, just like that, the children of ordinary majors did.
        4. ochakow703
          ochakow703 13 July 2016 17: 42
          +9
          You blasted nonsense. If a 17-18 year old person submits documents to several universities, then believe me, nothing will come of such a person in the future, and he will rush through life. By this age, a graduate of the school should have a fairly clear understanding of what he wants in this life and who he wants to become! And family, school, state and society should work on this. And the "distribution" of documents in a bunch of places completely deprives you of any responsibility for your choice, with all the consequences that follow in life. After all, the choice is now not made by vocation or talent, but by the fact that after graduation, will you work at Gazprom. This is a Western, consumerist attitude to life, and sense (funny to say) the country, society, and even yourself from such a choice will not. I assure you, besides money, there are many other important things, for example - the Soul.
        5. Orionvit
          Orionvit 13 July 2016 18: 43
          +3
          and if the exam is canceled he will have to take entrance exams and he is unlikely to have time to pass them to several universities. The applicant may not be bad, but let's say a high competition and not enough for him to enter
          Why excuse me to submit documents to several universities at once. It means that a person is deeply us ... who to be. This indicates his attitude to life in general, and nothing good will come of it. Another careerist who follows his career will go through the corpses and betray his homeland. In our time, the profession was carefully chosen, and if it did not work out the first time, then we tried to do it the next year (as I did by the way). You need to love your profession, otherwise you will only get ballast for the state. Everyone in Russia is proud of achievements in the space sector, and in the field of creating new weapons, and much more than that. So, all this is done by people who have chosen their specialty once and for all, and did not submit documents to several universities at once, in pursuit of any crust about education. Moreover, the diploma itself does not provide either special knowledge or skills, and professionalism comes only after at least five years of work in the specialty.
          1. Outsider V.
            Outsider V. 13 July 2016 23: 22
            0
            Are you sure that a seventeen-year-old person is capable of choosing the right profession / profile right the first time? Do all then work on the originally selected septicism?
            1. adept666
              adept666 15 July 2016 05: 55
              0
              Are you sure that a seventeen-year-old person is capable of choosing the right profession / profile right the first time?
              As a rule, universities are preparing a very wide range of specialties and after the first year you can transfer to another department, even from a technical to a humanities one, if a person points to a specialized institute that trains specialists in one direction, then he probably thought a bit about why.
        6. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 13 July 2016 19: 31
          +4
          What the hell to go to several universities? Not a ride here, a ride there? Dream of a fool.
        7. cuzmin.mihail2013
          cuzmin.mihail2013 14 July 2016 08: 42
          0
          And why, should an applicant enter several universities? Moreover, at the same time, sometimes, completely different versatility! Previously, if a person wanted to get a specialty, he could for this several years, try to do, every year more and more preparing for exams. And now, it turns out - if only to stick somewhere, and work on a specialty after a university is the tenth matter! Isn't it time to end this?
      2. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 13 July 2016 16: 16
        +22
        "The USE destroyed our education in the bud. This is a shameless deception on a national scale. A harsh, inhuman experiment that was conducted on normal healthy children, and we will pay for it in full."


        This is the goal of the Ministry of Education. Remind who are trying to cook now? Competent consumers! You know how to read ads, taught to sign (where they say), mastered arithmetic? Nothing more is needed.
        And truly literate educated people do not appear thanks to the current education system, but contrary to it.
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 13 July 2016 16: 37
          +3
          It’s terrible to think about kago ani there they will choose for themselves in the river ares before moving from the gelandevagens to the buy-in tripod laughing
          1. kotvov
            kotvov 13 July 2016 17: 39
            +1
            It’s terrible to think about kago ani there they will choose for themselves in the river ares before moving,
            By the way, this same Zhirinovsky suggested that the rectors choose the students themselves. I immediately remembered the film ,, Republic of ShKID ,,
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 13 July 2016 16: 37
          +2
          Quote: Reserve officer
          And truly literate educated people do not appear thanks to the current education system, but contrary to it.


          By and large, an official study at a university is now needed only to obtain an official diploma ...

          And further improvement depends on the person himself ... There are so many opportunities for development today that we could not even dream of at one time ...
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 13 July 2016 17: 06
            +6
            Quote: weksha50
            And further improvement depends on the person himself ... There are so many opportunities for development today that we could not even dream of at one time ...

            There is one problem, against the background of the dominance of all kinds of managers with crusts about HE and the desire to add them somewhere - for real production specialists (technicians, engineers and technologists) there are no places left, and the desire of employers and staffers to recruit a specialist with all kinds of crusts and certificates (mostly foreign quality certificates and standards — sometimes I don’t understand them in Russia) they cut production in the bud, and the situation is not better for doctors and teachers. And the saddest thing is then the manager-optimizers, in which case they will reduce this very driving / working staff, while the swollen staff of all kinds of financiers, lawyers and bookkeeping are always afloat.
            1. weksha50
              weksha50 13 July 2016 17: 31
              0
              Quote: Corsair
              There is one problem, against the background of the dominance of all kinds of managers with crusts about HE and the desire to attach them somewhere - for real production specialists (technicians, engineers and technologists) there are no places left ...



              I agree completely ... But this is already a development of the question of this USE and university "crusts" ...

              But, it seems, that student who decided to make his way in life, nevertheless, with his perseverance, can achieve considerable ... After all, all these thieves are mediocrity, and they cannot organize the work of an organization or production, therefore, in any case, competent, sensible specialists in companies will always be needed ...
              Yes, someone will be rude, and someone will work hard ...
              But here the factor is not "who studied what", but "who was born in what family", regrettably ...
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 13 July 2016 17: 58
                +4
                Quote: weksha50
                After all, all these thieves are mediocrity, and they cannot organize the work of an organization or production,

                wassat I agree, but they often meet in leadership positions, and when a 25-30 year old kid takes the chair of the head of the department, deputy general, and some people at the age of 35 are already heads of departments / boards of large corporations - this is seriously puzzling - what kind of yeast are these sprouts?
                1. weksha50
                  weksha50 13 July 2016 20: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Corsair
                  I agree, but they often meet in leadership positions, and when a 25-30 year old kid takes the chair of the head of the department, deputy general, and some people at the age of 35 are already heads of departments / boards of large corporations - this is seriously puzzling - what kind of yeast are these sprouts?



                  Well, in particular, it’s not within our powers and capabilities ... There, whose son there two years ago became the manager of a commercial bank ??? !!! Forgot ... At 23 years old !!!

                  And I already said in my comment that, in addition to the gentlemen’s sons, someone really needs to work, so there are still some places for plowmen ...

                  In Soviet times, the boyar sons were also not at the machines, but at least there were no such "geniuses" among them ... Or dad had at least some conscience ...

                  PS True, at the age of 35 I already had a pretty decent position ... And there was enough experience, and knowledge, and skills ... And most importantly - energy and desire to work ...
          2. kotvov
            kotvov 13 July 2016 17: 42
            0
            An official study at a university is now needed only to obtain an official diploma ... ,,
            there was an investigation film, the same Russian State Social University. They directly say that you don’t have to come for cash even at the session.
        3. 2s1122
          2s1122 13 July 2016 17: 14
          -2
          Yes, in 1975, the parents said, Ignoramus, you will twist the cows' tails (to work as a shepherd on a collective farm). So at the moment there are no cows to do, and I, probably 3 in Russian, are a professor. laughing
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 13 July 2016 17: 29
            +8
            Quote: 2s1122
            Yes, in 1975, the parents said, Ignoramus, you will twist the cows' tails (to work as a shepherd on a collective farm). So at the moment there are no cows to do, and I, probably 3 in Russian, are a professor. laughing


            Ndaaa ... Three, you are clearly pulled! "RodiDeli", "budesh", "professor", not to mention typos and punctuation marks! By the way, I have a B in Russian, so don’t excuse me.
      3. Asadullah
        Asadullah 13 July 2016 16: 21
        +3
        An urgent need to return the Soviet education system, by the way BEST IN THE WORLD! USE in the furnace, so that even the spirit is not left!


        Oh oh oh. I wonder if anything would have changed after that? After all, the question is not in "Albany" even, and not in Ega, which in its form only simplifies the organization, but in the fact that the whole process of communication has moved to the Internet. Small, Tochskrin devices, in and of themselves, oblige to abbreviations. And instant access to information is killing the analytical functions of the brain. Therefore, the question is not in the architecture of knowledge assessment, but in teaching methods. Young people who do not write or read, learn only by manipulating the information field, they become, as it were, a part of it. This is a kind of mental plague of the twenty-first century that humanity must recover from.
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 13 July 2016 16: 27
          0
          Quote: Asadullah
          This is a kind of mental plague of the twenty-first century, which humanity must be ill.

          Or podazza laughing
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 13 July 2016 16: 41
            0
            Or podazza


            It will be so. Here is a congratulation from my child: - Pa with NG, vb.
            1. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 13 July 2016 17: 03
              +8
              Quote: Asadullah
              It will be so. Here is a congratulation from my child: - Pa with NG, vb.


              I'm so sorry! I'm afraid to imagine how your grandchildren will communicate ...?!
              Probably like this: abr ..., abr ..., abr ..., abyrvalg ...
              Good perspective, right ?!
              1. Asadullah
                Asadullah 13 July 2016 18: 04
                0
                Good perspective, right ?!


                I hope for a positive epicrisis. No wonder he played chess with his daughter to read a book of my choice. Until she began to win more and more. But the habit remained to read. I hope the same applies to my children.
            2. ochakow703
              ochakow703 13 July 2016 17: 51
              0
              And what does "wb" mean?
              1. Asadullah
                Asadullah 13 July 2016 17: 59
                0
                And what does "wb" mean?


                All the best laughing
                1. ochakow703
                  ochakow703 13 July 2016 19: 25
                  +1
                  Thank. And then I broke my head, what did the child wish the parent.
                  1. Outsider V.
                    Outsider V. 13 July 2016 23: 29
                    0
                    I wish .. laughing
        2. Ribwort
          Ribwort 13 July 2016 16: 45
          +1
          Quote: Asadullah
          This is a kind of mental plague of the twenty-first century, which humanity must be ill.

          Some diseases are fatal ...
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 13 July 2016 16: 52
            0
            Some diseases are fatal ...


            What awaits the weakest. Degradation and degeneration. Or God's business intervenes. Although, in the eyes there is a picture, the Almighty with astonishment looks at us from heaven, and scratches a beard, or whatever, with the words: - And nichrome yourself! .....
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 13 July 2016 17: 11
              +1
              Quote: Asadullah
              - And nichrome yourself! .....

              laughing Or he’ll come down from heaven and say God's word, but then the people don’t understand a word, everyone around us is talking with smiles and signs with abbreviations.
              1. Asadullah
                Asadullah 13 July 2016 17: 56
                +5
                all around - smiles and signs with abbreviations talking.


                By the way, it would be high time to translate the scriptures into modern language. Like: "Pitzot used the office for minutes, they flooded me with a mosk hit, but gave me a hell of a fubla and tsuko sotona burns" (Every day I was with you in the temple, and you did not raise your hands against Me, but now your time and the power of darkness)
              2. Revolver
                Revolver 13 July 2016 19: 02
                0
                Quote: Corsair
                Or come down from heaven and give the word of God to speak,

                And they will answer him: "You are not, then you are a glitch, disappear!"
        3. Baleskin1
          Baleskin1 13 July 2016 18: 33
          +1
          Quote: Asadullah
          An urgent need to return the Soviet education system, by the way BEST IN THE WORLD! USE in the furnace, so that even the spirit is not left!


          Oh oh oh. I wonder if anything would have changed after that? After all, the question is not in "Albany" even, and not in Ega, which in its form only simplifies the organization, but in the fact that the whole process of communication has moved to the Internet. Small, Tochskrin devices, in and of themselves, oblige to abbreviations. And instant access to information is killing the analytical functions of the brain. Therefore, the question is not in the architecture of knowledge assessment, but in teaching methods. Young people who do not write or read, learn only by manipulating the information field, they become, as it were, a part of it. This is a kind of mental plague of the twenty-first century that humanity must recover from.


          There is still not instant access to all information. Sometimes you have to search. There are many sources, but how many of them are true? If you need to find accurate information, you will have to shovel more than one or two sites (discrepancies, versions, "damaged phone"), while analyzing the information received, mainly by comparison. If accustomed to this, then the analytical functions of the brain will only develop. However, this is not taught. Earlier, when there was no such developed mass media, books were used: encyclopedias, reference books, there were standards common to all - the "truth", in most cases, was one. And now the Internet has come to replace books, where each source has its own version, the "damaged phone" plays a bigger role, probably than ever. And they don't teach to deal with this. And why? Firstly, propaganda - you can cram your own "version", make it official (by law, place it in the top line of the search, in the media, etc.) and start exporting. Secondly, corruption. Everything depends on money, but there is none. There is nothing to change everything at a high level. Third, there are fewer and fewer teachers who are ready to create their own curriculum and constantly improve it. For such a salary, there are few enthusiasts working overtime.
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 13 July 2016 19: 36
            +1
            For such a salary, there are few enthusiasts working overtime.


            The teacher does not work for money, it is a vocation. Another issue is that income should allow him to maintain a civilian appearance. The human kind. The second point, no teacher will prepare twenty geniuses in one audience, but he should consider it among three hundred, or among a thousand. For perhaps this identified one will make decisions in the life of the country, thanks to his teacher. As the Chinese say, a teacher appears when a student has matured. I will say more, despite the reforms and other things, in Russia there are such teachers. But in Germany, no. And in Europe as a whole, perhaps too. High school is somewhat apart, there are professors to whom the crowd is at a lecture. But in Russia there are such units. What is it?
      4. Sirocco
        Sirocco 13 July 2016 16: 21
        +6
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        An urgent need to return the Soviet education system, by the way BEST IN THE WORLD!

        The question is, is our state interested in this?
        Indeed, an illiterate population is much easier to manage, and hang noodles on the ears, for many years they have been talking about the fact that the education system is worthless, but things are still there. So, the ball has long been on the side of the government and the state, and with our hands drivers play on the field of education, like our football players. So, I have doubts, whether something needs to be changed or rather our tops want to change education? I'm NOT in Kursenko.)))))
      5. Ribwort
        Ribwort 13 July 2016 16: 36
        +10
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        An urgent need to return the Soviet education system, by the way BEST IN THE WORLD!

        Need. Who will return it? We have ministers of education, sports, and so on, all close to the "clear-faced". And to cancel the exam is to admit their complete incompetence. For you and me, it is already obvious, it is enough to recall the result of Euro 2016, after which any self-respecting sports official is obliged to resign, but then the question will arise, why do they still hold their posts? And to this question Mr. Putin once already answered: "We are not giving up our own." Remember? So we tolerate further "effective managers" and social experiments ...
      6. starogil
        starogil 13 July 2016 17: 01
        +4
        Urgent - will not work. Where to get teachers, textbooks? And what to do with the current
        guessing in the Unified State Examination, and over the years, what to do with the under-graduates, their certificates,
        diplomas?
      7. MarkoFF
        MarkoFF 13 July 2016 17: 40
        +3
        Completely, with all arms and legs (sorry, emotions !!!), I agree with you !!! My grandson has finished 5th grade now. I have to help him with studies in many subjects. I am terrified of the textbooks he studies in !!! I help my grandson almost exclusively using my knowledge gained in the good old Soviet times.
        Recently I met a joke:
        "Do you have a college degree? Or even two? Do your homework with a 4th grade student using modern textbooks - feel like an idiot!"
        Well, right to the bullseye !!!
        Recently I heard on TV that they want to introduce a moratorium on changes in the education system for 3 years. Maybe this is the beginning of the movement in the right direction?
        Urgently needed, urgent, URGENTLY return the Soviet education system !!!
        1. Vitaly72
          Vitaly72 14 July 2016 00: 31
          0
          Sorry, about Soviet education, we had a history teacher in our school, a short paragraph in her mouth increased incredibly, sitting with my mouth open I really heard the tread of the Roman legions, the ringing of gladiuses, I heard the piloms cut through the air ,,, At the beginning of my two thousandth the eldest studied with her, asked how he tells, nothing like that, stupidly retelling the textbook, what happened?
      8. Orionvit
        Orionvit 13 July 2016 18: 25
        0
        An urgent need to return the Soviet education system, by the way BEST IN THE WORLD! USE in the furnace, so that even the spirit is not left! By the way, the Soviet textbooks are also returned, well, it can only be removed from the history of the congresses of the CPSU, no one really taught it seriously.
        Yes, communist ideology is the only thing that bothered in Soviet schools and universities. Abstracts based on the materials of the April or November plenary sessions of the Central Committee of the CPSU are early in the fifth grade. It would be good if the textbooks on mathematics, physics, the Russian language, if not Stalin's, then at least 50-60x. years. When teachers wrote them and they were understandable, unlike the 70s. When academicians began to write textbooks and they (textbooks) became generally incomprehensible, as a result of which academic performance in the above subjects dropped sharply. So that the collapse of education in our country began much earlier. For example, in Israeli schools, mathematics is studied in the old Soviet textbooks of the 50s. years. Here is such a choice, Jews can be blamed for anything but stupidity.
        1. Outsider V.
          Outsider V. 13 July 2016 23: 37
          0
          Quote: Orionvit
          Abstracts based on the materials of the April or November plenary sessions of the Central Committee of the CPSU are early in the fifth grade.


          Really there were abstracts on plenums in the fifth grade? In my memory, the only intrusion of "communist ideology" into the school curriculum was the need to write a synopsis of Lenin's article "Party organization and pratic literature" in the ninth grade (1978) at a literature lesson.
      9. stas
        stas 13 July 2016 20: 41
        0
        Diana, you are the chief economist with a higher education and a great salary.
        You wrote the right things that you yourself don't believe in.
        Che, do you rate your rating?
      10. 97110
        97110 13 July 2016 22: 29
        0
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        An urgent need to return the Soviet education system, by the way BEST IN THE WORLD!

        And Soviet teachers urgently return? Your slogan is as popular as it is not real. I went to Leningrad in 1972 and entered the oldest institute (founded in 1809). Didn’t pay anything. And all my classmates acted themselves, without bribes and shaggy paws. How to return it now? The population must be changed, without exception.
    2. Vend
      Vend 13 July 2016 16: 07
      0
      Quote: hirurg
      It is necessary to return entrance exams to universities. And leave the exam as a preliminary test. Examination should not be a determining factor.
      Then schools will prepare for exams, write dictations. And so purely on the exam trained.

      Well, not all exams, but for example specialized subjects. At journalism faculty Russian and literature, at history faculty - history and so on. Thus, anyone who wants to study will rest on specialized subjects. At least something.
      1. ochakow703
        ochakow703 13 July 2016 18: 03
        0
        This is your "At least something" and carries a lot of troubles and problems. General secondary education should give an educated, erudite and well-mannered young man to the mountain. There should be no priorities or indulgences in general education. Well, they removed astronomy from school, so now in the 9th grade, "highly informed by the Internet" children are surprised to learn about the number of planets in the solar system, and to a good tenth grader he explained for twenty minutes why the Earth has the shape of a hypoid. Secondary general education it should be, BUT! the scientific component (represented by deputies for the educational part) should clearly work in schools and they should identify the talents and inclinations of children, and give appropriate recommendations to parents. And then - specialized schools, lyceums, private teachers, etc.
        1. Parsec
          Parsec 13 July 2016 19: 15
          +1
          Quote: ochakow703
          and he explained to a good tenth grader twenty minutes why the Earth has the form of a hypoid.


          I would not understand in an hour, although I was an excellent student.

          This is a hypoid in the rear bridge, the surface of the earth is described by a geoid.
        2. Outsider V.
          Outsider V. 13 July 2016 23: 39
          0
          Quote: ochakow703
          ... I explained to a good tenth grader twenty minutes why the Earth has the form of a hypoid.


          Maybe the Earth still has the shape of a geoid?
          1. ochakow703
            ochakow703 14 July 2016 06: 18
            0
            Yes, of course a geoid. The article and discussions raised the degree of emotions so much that the FOOTSTEPS jumped. Thank.
    3. Pirogov
      Pirogov 13 July 2016 16: 19
      +9
      Quote: hirurg
      It is necessary to return entrance exams to universities. And leave the exam as a preliminary test. Examination should not be a determining factor.
      Then schools will prepare for exams, write dictations. And so purely on the exam trained.

      I completely agree with you, it is time to stop teaching children as recommended from America.
    4. Ribwort
      Ribwort 13 July 2016 16: 30
      +2
      Quote: hirurg
      And leave the exam as a preliminary test.

      If you leave, then they will prepare for it. And the preparation for the exam and the traditional exams, in the form in which we remember them, as they say, are two big differences.
    5. Vita vko
      Vita vko 13 July 2016 16: 52
      +2
      Quote: hirurg
      Need to return entrance exams to universities

      The Unified State Exam was done as the main way to combat corruption in the university. But besides the entrance exams, there are also sessions, where now teachers who are not clean on hand are working. Personally, I believe that MSU's demarche against testing may be one of the methods to increase the bribe rates during the session. Personally, for 5 years now I have been trying to do exams for my students only in the form of computer testing and I do not regret it at all. Because it all depends on the quality of the tests, which can be not only for erudition (the ability to correctly guess and tick off), but also on intelligence, logic, general understanding of the material and even creative thinking.
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 13 July 2016 17: 22
        +10
        Quote: Vita VKO
        The exam was made as the main way to combat corruption in the university.


        Sorry, but under the guise of fighting corruption, it’s just that corruption is bred! Understand that no computer and no test can replace the live communication of the student and teacher, this is important! And then, the speech that the USE kills the education system itself and does not fight corruption, but only helps it develop!
        1. Outsider V.
          Outsider V. 13 July 2016 23: 44
          0
          Quote: Diana Ilyina

          And then, the speech that the USE is killing the education system itself and does not fight corruption, but only helps it develop!


          A value judgment ... Where is the evidence, or at least the rationale?

          To add weight to her dubious judgments, my mother-in-law, to convince me, adds "This I am telling you!"
    6. stas
      stas 13 July 2016 17: 22
      +1
      You can not be half pregnant, and the second half infertile.
      We need a socially oriented economy. But under Putin it will not be, and under DAM it is even more so.
  3. Diana Ilyina
    Diana Ilyina 13 July 2016 15: 59
    +18
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    What can I say? Russia is in trouble! The Unified State Examination has specially sucked us in so that we, through our wicked schoolchildren, Yegeshniks, will begin to degrade and degenerate. And the faster we get rid of this scourge, the less we will have half-wits per capita.


    But not too late ?! Who will teach them ?! There are fewer old teachers, and young ones are the same victims of the USE ... Where are we going to take teachers ?!
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 16: 02
      +6
      Quote: Diana Ilyina
      There are fewer old teachers

      There are practically none, everyone has been retired for a long time.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 13 July 2016 16: 16
        +8
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        There are practically none, everyone has been retired for a long time.

        Well, for the sake of returning the Soviet system of education-will return! Shake the antiquity! In any case, URGENT courses for young teachers who will teach children. And, most importantly, that parents DEMAND!
        by the way, my first teacher is 85 years old. And only this year will she finally retire. No, she would have been gone long ago, it was painfully "uncomfortable", but her students, who had already become parents, gathered together "with the whole mass" and demanded that their children, grandchildren (!!!) be taught by N.А. And so four generations ...
        1. Verdun
          Verdun 13 July 2016 16: 30
          -2
          Quote: Egoza
          Well, for the sake of returning the Soviet education system-will return! Shake the old days!

          Will they rise from the graves? A kind of educational zombie apocalypse ...
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 13 July 2016 16: 55
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          Well, for the sake of returning the Soviet education system-will return! Shake the old days!


          I completely agree ... In order to return education, the prestige of Russian education, pupils and adherents of the old school will not look at their sores and age ...

          And they can (have time) to bring up a real shift ...

          PS However, it will be necessary to remove not only the currently existing educational standards, but also to prohibit the creation of courses in the regions where the young teachers are driven in teaching methods by "missionaries" from the West ... And there are enough such examples ...
    2. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 13 July 2016 16: 08
      +6
      Quote: Diana Ilyina
      Where are we going to take teachers ?!
      - From nursing homes, if they are still alive ... Those teachers were ideological, still of the old school. They, too, "are offended for the state!"
    3. Gray brother
      Gray brother 13 July 2016 16: 30
      0
      Quote: Diana Ilyina
      , and young, the same victims of the exam ...

      Well, for the time being they are able to read the manual, so there are chances.
    4. 2s1122
      2s1122 13 July 2016 17: 26
      +1
      Yes, you need to give out textbooks for 60 years, even if they teach in schools. But damn, wherever they are taken now, I’m already talking to myself crying belay laughing
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 13 July 2016 17: 47
        +1
        Quote: 2s1122
        Yes, you need to give out textbooks for 60 years, even if they teach in schools. But damn, wherever they are taken now, I’m already talking to myself


        I have in my archive electronic versions of textbooks in mathematics, physics, the Russian language and literature of those years ...

        Thanks to those people who were able to translate them into electronic form and put them on the Internet ...

        I keep it in the archive, like the apple of an eye ...

        Although they are now even in grades 3-4 they do not solve examples and problems at all ... The granddaughter's teacher once said: do not teach the granddaughter stupid archaic methods ...
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 13 July 2016 19: 07
          +2
          Quote: weksha50
          I have in my archive electronic versions of textbooks in mathematics, physics, the Russian language and literature of those years ...

          Link will not throw off? It’s possible in PM, but it’s better here, I think that I'm not the only one interested.
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 13 July 2016 20: 39
            0
            Quote: Nagan
            Link will not throw off? It’s possible in PM, but it’s better here, I think that I'm not the only one interested.



            downloaded to nnm-club, but now it’s a problem ... They press ...
            If anything - I can send ...
            I'll write tomorrow in PM, now - I have to look ...
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 July 2016 21: 53
        +2
        In free sale, in online stores, textbooks 60s, 70s, 80s - full.
    5. ochakow703
      ochakow703 13 July 2016 18: 10
      0
      I think that it’s not too late, but in about five years ... everything, kirdyk.
  4. Kasym
    Kasym 13 July 2016 16: 00
    +14
    USE + Bologna System = Diversion. hi
    1. rabbi's pais
      rabbi's pais 13 July 2016 16: 05
      0
      Quote: Kasym
      USE + Bologna System = Diversion. hi

      Here we add Livanov and all his damn minobra we add Tell us better how in your republic with education.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 13 July 2016 17: 15
        +1
        They rush around, probably realized that they were mistaken. But that doesn't get any better. Everything is much sadder here. The Russian Federation is the last hope to prove to bureaucrats that education will be led to a dead end.
        Secondary education. No, no, good slogans slip through. But in fact ... intellectual schools of Nazarbayev in applied areas (mat, physical, chemistry, bio.) In all regions of the Republic of Kazakhstan with enhanced English (Russian and Kazakh departments) are starting to work. The Unified State Exam (UNT) may not be taken, but then there is little choice: either abroad or to the "Nazarbayev University" in Astana. There are also private schools with different directions (TAMOS, for example, according to the old Soviet program - but here it depends on the staff and on the pocket).
        Higher education. Catastrophe. The Bologna system is finishing, there are no youth, the funding is terrible. We say that there is a sabotage against the university system. Many universities "corporatized", even KAZGU. There is practically no academy - the state has washed its hands. We invite foreigners and pay well (we keep ours in poverty), and open all kinds of Kazakh-German. universities. The National Academy of Sciences does not know much about this, and it changes ministers of education more often than other ministers (no more than 2 years). Sends young people abroad, "but there is no result." He has little understanding of what a scientific school is and how it works. Announces TENDERS for scientific research, but everyone knows that there are only a few of them (specialists, doctors of science). I broke up the Academic Councils about eight years ago. We stayed at a broken trough.
        Here the guys complain about the situation in the army, but believe me, soon we will be left without intelligence (except perhaps for teachers and doctors). hi
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 16: 05
      +8
      Quote: Kasym
      USE + Bologna System = Diversion.

      Well, after all, "Bakalavr and Magister", it seems to me 6-year higher education was specially lobbied by universities in order to get more money from the paid students for an additional year (after all, a Bachelor, in the minds of many, does not suck higher education). And an additional year is about 100+ thousand rubles per person + money for retakes that are now charged from students.
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 13 July 2016 16: 58
        +2
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        because the bachelor in the view of many is not a higher education


        In the old fashioned way, in Soviet times, this is a technical school ... And it’s castrated, because in Soviet technical schools more emphasis was placed on specialization ... And good specialists came out ...

        A bachelor is some kind of mutant from education, neither this, nor this ...
    3. shvn
      shvn 13 July 2016 16: 15
      +11
      Yeah, sabotage ... And the Minister of Education today promised Putin in a report of super literate people ...
      So who to believe? After all, all the members of the government sat and listened to heresy ... but they were silent
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 13 July 2016 16: 19
        +2
        Quote: shvn
        And the Minister of Education today promised Putin in a report of super literate students ...

        Quote: shvn
        After all, all members of the government sat and listened to heresy ... but were silent

        They will be silent, otherwise Putin will make them dictation write! wassat
        1. Ribwort
          Ribwort 13 July 2016 16: 48
          +5
          Quote: Egoza
          They will be silent, otherwise Putin will make them dictation write!

          Yeah. But the king doesn’t know! request
          Passed it already ...
    4. Gray brother
      Gray brother 13 July 2016 16: 43
      0
      Quote: Kasym
      USE + Bologna System = Diversion.

      They are going to cut out the test part from the exam - at least something.
    5. broduin
      broduin 13 July 2016 17: 24
      0
      the question is not to the USE as such and not to the Bologna system. A question for the phenomenal lack of responsibility and exactingness. In the second year they will not leave - this creates big problems (especially with statistics on the educational institution), the exam for the top three, if you can at least somehow master the speech, you pass, and if you don’t know the speech, then you will pass it for money. There is no exactingness in the teachers and the goal is to interest in their subject. The task is simple - to read the training manual. This also gives rise to irresponsibility in students / pupils - "it will resolve itself." And the old teachers, at least in the humanities, are completely cut off from real life and are not able to give knowledge that combines theory and practical skills.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 13 July 2016 18: 26
        0
        The Bologna system is when they gave 12 pairs for a topic to explain to a student and prove that this is so, and not otherwise; and now with the western system it is 5 ... hours. hi
      2. Outsider V.
        Outsider V. 13 July 2016 23: 51
        0
        Quote: broduin
        They will not leave for the second year - this creates big problems


        Let me remind you that in Soviet times, this was a problem for everyone - students, parents, teachers, city students. They tried to cover up. This is a universal problem.
  5. Vend
    Vend 13 July 2016 16: 03
    -3
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    What can I say? Russia is in trouble! The Unified State Examination has specially sucked us in so that we, through our wicked schoolchildren, Yegeshniks, begin to degrade and degenerate. And the faster we get rid of this scourge, the less we will have per capita.

    Once I took exams, memorized like everyone else. Of course, learning everything is impossible. So, in the 89 year, the idea came to me why not make an exam in the form of a test. The idea is similar. However, what they did with the exam is nonsense. Children at school only do in the last classes that they are preparing for the exam.
    Of the 229 freshmen, 8 made a text page per page, and only 18% fewer errors. The remaining 82%, including the 15 total scorers of the USE, made an average of 24 — 25 errors
    Those who really needed to go to Moscow State University studied and got into 18%. Those who want to stay at Moscow State University will fill in the gaps in the Russian language, so as not to be expelled. The fact of deductions is a good push to increase self-education.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 13 July 2016 17: 00
      +3
      Quote: Wend
      Those who want to stay at Moscow State University will fill in the gaps in the Russian language, not to be expelled


      Hmm ... This, in general, is not the task of the HIGHER SCHOOL ...

      The question is, why the hell did you need 10 years of a comprehensive school, and what have students and teachers been doing in it all this time ???
      1. Vend
        Vend 13 July 2016 17: 31
        +1
        Quote: weksha50
        Quote: Wend
        Those who want to stay at Moscow State University will fill in the gaps in the Russian language, not to be expelled


        Hmm ... This, in general, is not the task of the HIGHER SCHOOL ...

        The question is, why the hell did you need 10 years of a comprehensive school, and what have students and teachers been doing in it all this time ???

        You know, when I entered the history department, I was not limited only to the school curriculum. Snarled wherever possible. On the history in our class, everyone was writing off physics and chemistry, which they often posed in the following lessons.
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 13 July 2016 17: 50
          0
          Quote: Wend
          You know, when I entered the history department, I was not limited only to the school curriculum. Snarled wherever possible.



          Honor and praise to you, although this is a normal occurrence for a normally developing person ...

          But now, specifically, we are talking about the inertia of the "children of the exam" in their native (for many of them) Russian ...
          1. Vend
            Vend 13 July 2016 18: 11
            +1
            Quote: weksha50
            Quote: Wend
            You know, when I entered the history department, I was not limited only to the school curriculum. Snarled wherever possible.



            Honor and praise to you, although this is a normal occurrence for a normally developing person ...

            But now, specifically, we are talking about the inertia of the "children of the exam" in their native (for many of them) Russian ...

            So I am about the same. If a child wants to study at the Faculty of Journalism, then he does not just write stories and articles, he participates in the Olympiads of the Russian language, supports literacy in a "combat" form. And when it's too lazy to do, the whole stake is on the exam, then why study. Train on tests and go.
  6. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 13 July 2016 16: 05
    +3
    Associate Professor of Journalism of Moscow State University: "This year we recruited aliens"

    Well, we were so eager to meet with foreign intelligence! Well, they have achieved their goal. smile It turns out that what we were looking for is next to us. To see this and it was necessary, just to destroy the Soviet form of education. I'm afraid that at such a pace we will soon turn into robots, programmed, interested in this, by forces.
  7. Fregate
    Fregate 13 July 2016 17: 11
    +6
    And we still laugh at their "Psaki" and other personnel in the State Department. In 15-20 years, when people with Soviet education retire, we will have exactly the same in the government, and maybe worse.
  8. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 July 2016 17: 37
    0
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    What can I say? Russia is in trouble! The Unified State Examination has specially sucked us in so that we, through our wicked schoolchildren, Yegeshniks, will begin to degrade and degenerate. And the faster we get rid of this scourge, the less we will have half-wits per capita.

    How to say what? Glory to Livanov and submit to the Order of Merit for the Fatherland. What is the question?
  9. Koteg
    Koteg 13 July 2016 17: 59
    0
    Unified State Examination has come up with a candidate for examinations. It’s clear to any brainless graduate, such as the same student who came up with a competition system for organizing children's vacations, and another such student who came up with the idea to give control of elevators from Rostekhnadzor to private traders. Question for the Unified State Examination test in our country, among the leaders there are still .bags? and when are these bastards. will begin to travel regularly irreparably losing health on a kalyma instead of the conditional terms of house arrests and temporary layoffs from the civil service
  10. sgazeev
    sgazeev 13 July 2016 18: 33
    +1
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    What can I say? Russia is in trouble! The Unified State Examination has specially sucked us in so that we, through our wicked schoolchildren, Yegeshniks, will begin to degrade and degenerate. And the faster we get rid of this scourge, the less we will have half-wits per capita.
  11. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 13 July 2016 18: 37
    +4
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    What can I say? Russia is in trouble!

    after the "arrival" of the graduates of the FSB academy, I am convinced of this ... sadly ...
  12. vlad_vlad
    vlad_vlad 13 July 2016 18: 43
    +1
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    What can I say? Russia is in trouble! The Unified State Examination has specially sucked us in so that we, through our wicked schoolchildren, Yegeshniks, will begin to degrade and degenerate. And the faster we get rid of this scourge, the less we will have half-wits per capita.


    And how many years do you think Russia has been in trouble? And who "got" the USE and to whom? I suppose still somehow secretly vtyuhival from everyone.

    Incidentally, I’m sure that the thermometer is to blame when I have a temperature.
  13. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 13 July 2016 18: 50
    -2
    I think this assistant professor is just a star ?! Accustomed to thieves for grandmothers to recruit in institutes, and now such a bummer ... So they discredit the exam ... The exam does not cancel school and doesn’t make it worse ... It's just the final exam ... And this associate professor wants to to say that they don’t write dictations at school? They also write dictations and essays ... And the USE is an assessment of knowledge, not a learning process and there is nothing bad in it ...
    I noticed that the teachers themselves began to teach disgustingly, they didn’t explain anything, day after day one lesson or another ... They don’t like salaries? So drop out of school, go to the market, earn more if you can ... One teacher asked why they didn’t explain the subject to the students - said the instruction came from the Moscow Region so that they don’t explain anything to the students, they said they had to find everything ... And this is math !!! Boy, two three-quarters in a quarter - they gave me a diploma for a good study ... The rest, generally finished stupid people, seem to be ... Grade 7 already some drunk people come to school with beer ... Is it that the USE is to blame ?!
  14. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 13 July 2016 21: 12
    -1
    Forty percent of associate professors said: Portfolio .... All this was said with emphasis on the first vowel at a meeting of the academic council of the institute ...
  15. NEXUS
    NEXUS 13 July 2016 21: 35
    +2
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    What can I say? Russia is in trouble! The Unified State Examination has specially sucked us in so that we, through our wicked schoolchildren, Yegeshniks, will begin to degrade and degenerate. And the faster we get rid of this scourge, the less we will have half-wits per capita.

    Undoubtedly, it is necessary to decide with the Unified State Exam, and decide not tomorrow, but already today. At the same time, not only removing from the educational program this is the most misunderstanding, but also dismissing those who diligently shoved the pro-Western system of exams with us.
    I said for a long time that there was not so much bad in the USSR as they are trying to suggest to us. And education with medicine was the best in the world. And all this was free! That was such a "bad" life in the USSR.
  16. 97110
    97110 13 July 2016 21: 38
    0
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    And the faster we get rid of this scourge

    Try to point out errors here to "aliens". With all the proletarian hatred they will minus. The literate are either afraid or disdainful.
  17. proud
    proud 13 July 2016 21: 43
    +1
    At the same time, Lifanov and the Company continue to live and work, and at the same time everything is on the drum for the Garant, for him Syria is more important!
  18. avdkrd
    avdkrd 14 July 2016 00: 41
    +1
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    What can I say? Russia is in trouble! The Unified State Examination has specially sucked us in so that we, through our wicked schoolchildren, Yegeshniks, will begin to degrade and degenerate. And the faster we get rid of this scourge, the less we will have half-wits per capita.

    The Unified State Exam and the "Bologna system" were dragged in by the Yabloko people, who represent 1% of the most frostbitten (for various reasons) Russian citizens. That United Russia cannot (does not want) to correct the situation? Any initiative (especially one that has already been implemented) from these characters should be viewed under a magnifying glass for lobbying the interests of a foreign customer. Our liberal (liberal) prime minister also issued a number of "speeches" in defense of this outrage over the educational process. On the whole, it seems that the Russian leadership is completely satisfied with the general fooling. The tendency in general is global - it is easier to manage a dull herd, but a country claiming to revive its former greatness has no right to dispose of the younger generation in this way. The education received in the late 90s is an order of magnitude higher than what universities give now, and I know not by hearsay - I myself graduated from vocational school back in the late 80s, entered the institute essentially "for status", but "imbued". The fact that the Unified State Exam was a stillborn system was clear to specialists even before it was adopted "into service", not to specialists - after a couple of years of introducing this "hybrid war" technology, and the Ministry of Education asserts the opposite with all its friendly staff. It is not the first year that there have been signals from universities about the "quality" of applicants, but there is no reaction - either they fight corruption, or they announce the hunt for witches. Liberators must be driven out of science and education, when it must come to the understanding that this part of the state-forming institutions is much more vulnerable to "systemic errors" than the army and the economy. In the army and the economy, you can change leaders even during a war or crisis, but for this there must be those for whom you can change ...
  19. CONTROL
    CONTROL 14 July 2016 06: 46
    +1
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    What can I say? Russia is in trouble! The Unified State Examination has specially sucked us in so that we, through our wicked schoolchildren, Yegeshniks, will begin to degrade and degenerate. And the faster we get rid of this scourge, the less we will have half-wits per capita.

    Yes of course!
    That's right tomorrow - cancel the exam! And what do we get? Up to 40% of teachers will run away to sell Turkish clothes and tomatoes to the markets ... swam, we know!
    Nah. The exam was launched and implemented so that you can’t easily uproot it! This is a very difficult problem!
  20. Timmer
    Timmer 14 July 2016 08: 47
    +1
    And in Israel, math is taught in the textbooks of the USSR 1960))
  21. tipoza2011
    tipoza2011 14 July 2016 09: 57
    0
    illiterate or illiterate people are easier to manage. so it seems that all this was done on purpose.
  22. Wolverine
    Wolverine 14 July 2016 10: 12
    +1
    In the Omsk region, teachers from one school got old textbooks and at their own risk began to teach, so would everyone ...
  23. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 14 July 2016 13: 05
    0
    The future of Russia is in danger !!! we are losing youth !!! AU! The government wake up, it is urgent to change the education system!
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  26. vandarus
    vandarus 14 July 2016 14: 47
    0
    You speak as if they were introducing us to these aliens. You did not understand the main message of the article. These are normal boys and girls crippled by the exam and for them the soul hurts and for our future too.
    And you need to ask for the exam from Putin, Medvedev and other fursenok
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  28. ferdiperdozzz
    ferdiperdozzz 14 July 2016 15: 06
    0
    Pancake. Learn for yourself and teach your children. My daughter went without a phone until the 9th grade, everything is fine with her. "from GorkE to ass" does not write. And it will be the same with the son.
    Not in the exam, but in the head of everyone. It’s easier, of course, to put everything on Puten, and his gouging and children. Or the minister.
    I’m catching cons, I already realized that it’s fashionable for the USE to blame everything.

    On all news sites detractors of the Unified State Exam write "FOREVER WHAT", although it is clumsy in Russian, and "Dress" and "Put on" confuse everything almost without exception, but at the same time they scold and ridicule the Unified State Exam. Start with yourself, damn it.
  29. Poppy
    Poppy 14 July 2016 16: 32
    0
    and now to the exam also juvenile justice for the kit
  30. Ivan Zadunaisky
    Ivan Zadunaisky 14 July 2016 20: 44
    0
    I think if a petition appears to abolish the USE, it will gain at least a million signatures.
  • Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 15: 53
    .
    - Installation dictations to identify the level of knowledge of first-year students we write every year. Usually 3 — 4 man cannot cope with them. But the results of this year were monstrous. 229 freshmen per page text made 8 and fewer errors only 18%. The remaining 82%, including 15 100 EGE, made an average of 24 — 25 errors. In almost every word of 3 — 4, errors distort its meaning beyond recognition. To understand many words is simply impossible. In fact, these are not words, but their conditional reproduction.

    Well, now Word corrects errors, so it is unlikely that poor knowledge of the Russian language will greatly affect the quality of their work in the future.
    1. alean245
      alean245 13 July 2016 15: 56
      +8
      It's sarcasm? Or are you serious?
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 15: 59
        -7
        Quote: alean245
        It's sarcasm? Or are you serious?

        50 to 50. For a long time, journalists haven’t written anything manually, and in the old Soviet times there was a proofreading department which corrected articles by correcting errors before sending the article to print.
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 13 July 2016 16: 08
          +14
          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
          50 to 50. For a long time, journalists haven’t written anything manually, and in the old Soviet times there was a proofreading department which corrected articles by correcting errors before sending the article to print.


          Excuse me, are you out of your mind ?! The ability to write correctly for a journalist (and not only) is a way of transmitting information, it is the development of personality in the end! Do you think you had nothing to do with spelling and calligraphy in vain ?! Writing, this is the first and most important thing that a person must master, and only then mathematics and so on. You disappoint me, by golly!
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 16: 18
            -8
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            Excuse me, are you out of your mind ?! The ability to write correctly for a journalist (and not only) is a way of transmitting information, it is the development of personality in the end! Do you think you had nothing to do with spelling and calligraphy in vain ?! Writing, this is the first and most important thing that a person must master, and only then mathematics and so on. You disappoint me, by golly!

            Journalists are paid for articles, not spelling. They studied not at philologists, but at journalists, the ability to ask questions correctly and develop conversation in the right direction, depending on the answers received, here is their bread.
            1. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 13 July 2016 16: 39
              +15
              Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
              Journalists are paid for articles, not spelling. They studied not at philologists, but at journalists, the ability to ask questions correctly and develop conversation in the right direction, depending on the answers received, here is their bread.


              With each of your comments on this topic, I like you less and less! If you do not understand basic things, with what education should begin, that is, the formation of a person as a person, then I have nothing to talk about with you anymore ... Communicate with aliens in their own language!
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 16: 48
                -7
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                With each of your comments on this topic, I like you less and less! If you do not understand basic things, with what education should begin, that is, the formation of a person as a person, then I have nothing to talk about with you anymore ... Communicate with aliens in their own language!

                I’m trying to understand you, but you don’t understand me. The problem of Russian education is not in the exam, Fursenko, Livanov, etc. Understand that this is not the problem !!! And the fact that it is necessary to teach applied knowledge at universities, topics that will then be urgently needed by a person in order to be realized in the profession.
                The fact that a journalist will be literate in no way will allow him to receive the Pulitzer Prize in the field of journalism, here you need the ability to ask the right and sharp questions, conduct journalistic investigations, etc.
                1. komendant 64
                  komendant 64 13 July 2016 16: 57
                  +6
                  I read your imperishable pearls, comrade of the Air Force reserve, and the soul is filled with songs!
                  1. Lt. Air Force stock
                    Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 17: 01
                    -6
                    Quote: komendant 64
                    I read your imperishable pearls, comrade of the Air Force reserve, and the soul is filled with songs!

                    Glad to. And for the fact that at least someone supports me.
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 13 July 2016 23: 21
                      0
                      And "for the fact that at least someone supports me" /////

                      A single exam is a normal thing accepted all over the world.

                      I support you. Higher education in Israel every year becomes
                      more and more "project", a continuous series of projects as close as possible
                      to the current tasks of the market, industry. Students are divided into groups by
                      3-4 people, each has its own task. The project is completed - the next one.
                      There are no classic lectures. Lecturers analyze the features of projects of different
                      groups, compare solutions, evaluate effectiveness.
                2. Corsair
                  Corsair 13 July 2016 17: 27
                  +2
                  Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                  And the fact that it is necessary to teach applied knowledge at universities, topics that will then be urgently needed by a person in order to be realized in the profession.

                  what First of all, in the university and school they should be taught to think, think, analyze, all training in applied knowledge should be based on the training of the mind, find the right answers and solutions using tools, and if the vector is set incorrectly from the very beginning, the output will be a stupid robot with options dozens of patterns of behavior and techniques in the head. Neither Word nor Excel, nor any other tools, in spite of all their advanced skills, will teach you to correctly compose algorithms and solutions. School gaps in the university will not be cured - further it will only get worse.
                  Remember "Execution cannot be pardoned." And if indulgences are possible with literature, mathematics - the queen of all sciences - does not forgive mistakes.
                3. weksha50
                  weksha50 13 July 2016 17: 54
                  +2
                  Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                  you need the ability to ask the right and sharp questions,



                  In order to ask the right and sharp questions, you need to be a fully developed person, and - first of all (!!!) - be fluent in both language and speech ...
                  1. Lt. Air Force stock
                    Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 18: 37
                    -1
                    Quote: weksha50
                    In order to ask the right and sharp questions, you need to be a fully developed person, and - first of all (!!!) - be fluent in both language and speech

                    Well, those journalists who have poorly written dictations are unlikely to experience difficulties in this, half of them in 5 years we will be able to see on the central channels and in the editorial offices of magazines.
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 13 July 2016 23: 33
                      0
                      Many great writers, scholars, wrote with mistakes (gross)
                      public figures. Correctors corrected their texts at the exit.
                      This is called dyslexia. It has no effect on brain activity,
                      professional abilities.
            2. ochakow703
              ochakow703 13 July 2016 18: 25
              +1
              So how will he ask smart questions and analyze information, and most importantly - convey to the people if he does not know how to write competently? You have disappointed not only Diana.
    2. SMikhalych
      SMikhalych 13 July 2016 16: 15
      +16
      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
      Well, now Word corrects errors, so it is unlikely that poor knowledge of the Russian language will greatly affect the quality of their work in the future.

      Looking at this, so to speak, scribble, I would like to ask the author a question - how much have you succeeded in life with such illiteracy?
      "Well (comma) ... it's nice to see the belonging of the language to one or another group (Russian), but with a capital letter - this is wrong. And the word" will be reflected "in this sentence should be written without a soft sign, because if you want write correctly, then you use a test word or question.In this case, knowledge of the Russian language, what does it do (hard)? Will be reflected (without a soft sign).
      As the young people say today: Word does not correct a damn "campaign", and the knowledge of the grammar of the Russian language of the author of these pearls passed him by, because he smoked a primer around the corner of the school fool
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 13 July 2016 16: 29
        +1
        because like a primer he lit up around the corner of the school


        It's cruel! crying

        By the way, what determines literacy thought or thought literacy? Is not writing a kind of Procrustean bed for thought?
        1. SMikhalych
          SMikhalych 13 July 2016 17: 04
          +4
          Quote: Asadullah
          because like a primer he lit up around the corner of the school

          It's cruel! crying
          By the way, what determines literacy thought or thought literacy? Is not writing a kind of Procrustean bed for thought?

          Nothing, beating - it determines consciousness laughing
          As for the second, here I can not agree on 98 percent. Why 98? 2% I leave to the category of people who can be attributed to geniuses. As for the rest, my personal opinion (or, as they like to call it IMHO) is that if a person is not able to put his idea on paper, and to put it correctly, then this idea will not live up to its implementation .
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 13 July 2016 17: 32
            0
            that if a person is not able to set forth his idea on paper, and to set it correctly, then this idea will not live to be realized.


            Oh, my friend, you should write obituaries! Imagine how many saving ideas for drowning humanity were buried by the cheating-literate! smile
            1. SMikhalych
              SMikhalych 13 July 2016 19: 10
              -1
              Quote: Asadullah
              Oh, my friend, you should write obituaries! Imagine how many saving ideas for drowning humanity were buried by the cheating-literate!

              You would somehow decide on the directions))). And then you give out tips ... it’s not clear why they are attracted, and you complain about what’s not clear. What is drowning humanity? ... any such saving ideas?
              They didn’t try to do a concrete business? laughing You look, and humanity would stop drowning ... repeat
              1. Asadullah
                Asadullah 13 July 2016 19: 52
                0
                They didn’t try to do a concrete business?


                I'm worried about the people! You, with your knives, scribbled the wings of the flight to the lieutenant, tea will run to a classmate, part-time teacher of Russian language and literature, write dictations. And he could save humanity with his posts) Yes, and once again to talk with a smart person, pleasure.)
      2. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 16: 31
        -4
        Quote: SMikhalych
        "Well (comma) ... it's nice to see the belonging of the language to one or another group (Russian), but with a capital letter - this is wrong. And the word" will be reflected "in this sentence should be written without a soft sign, because if you want write correctly, then you use a test word or question.In this case, knowledge of the Russian language, what does it do (hard)? Will be reflected (without a soft sign).

        In the last post:
        And with the advent of the Internet, to provoke a controversy in the heat of which 2-3-4 correctly posed questions can lead to the drain of the information you are looking for, as they say, two fingers on the asphalt. So to speak in the test for weak O (you know - you do not know).

        Why do you write the Internet with a capital letter?
        Someone might want to shine with his nonsense and blur out with two or three digits that he once saw in certain papers, heard in a personal conversation, etc. It is completely without a second thought that a signature stamp of one degree or another of secrecy still hangs over these figures.

        What is the word "nonsense"? I know the word erudition. If you deliberately wrote this way, then you need to separate the word with quotes.
        1. SMikhalych
          SMikhalych 13 July 2016 16: 49
          +2
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          Why do you write the Internet with a capital letter?

          Because in the context of my proposal this term is used as a proper name denoting a set of networks connected by routers. Google will help and there will be no such questions.
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          What is the word "nonsense"? I know the word erudition. If you deliberately wrote this way, then you need to separate the word with quotes.

          If you do not know such a word, then this does not mean at all that it cannot be in nature. Especially if it is born of sarcasm. The word enclosed in quotation marks usually has the opposite meaning, so everything is in order here.
          By the way, one more "bank" at your gate. If you are trying to restore your reputation in terms of literacy, then I advise you to remember how the appeal "YOU" is written hi
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 17: 06
            0
            Quote: SMikhalych
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            Why do you write the Internet with a capital letter?
            Because in the context of my proposal this term is used as a proper name denoting a set of networks connected by routers. Google will help and there will be no such questions.
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            What is the word "nonsense"? I know the word erudition. If you deliberately wrote this way, then you need to separate the word with quotes.
            If you do not know such a word, then this does not mean at all that it cannot be in nature. Especially if it is born of sarcasm. The word enclosed in quotation marks usually has the opposite meaning, so everything is in order here.
            By the way, one more "bank" at your gate. If you are trying to restore your reputation in terms of literacy, then I advise you to remember how the appeal "YOU" is written

            The norms of the Russian language allow you to write author's texts in which a deviation from the rules of the Russian language is allowed. And at the expense of "you", maybe this is not a mistake, but a deliberate choice of spelling a pronoun characterizing the neglect of one person to another?
            1. SMikhalych
              SMikhalych 13 July 2016 17: 14
              +2
              Quote: Lt. air force reserve
              The norms of the Russian language allow you to write copyright texts in which a derogation from the rules of the Russian language is allowed.

              And here, if possible, in more detail, with a reference to the source.
              Quote: Lt. air force reserve
              And at the expense of "you", maybe this is not a mistake, but a deliberate choice of spelling a pronoun characterizing the neglect of one person to another?

              Oh well yes laughing As if not by wool, so is neglect. Yes flag in hand and a fair wind in the sofa bully
              Statistics (stubborn, by the way thing) the opinions of members of the forum is not in your favor.
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 17: 59
                0
                Quote: SMikhalych
                And here, if possible, in more detail, with a reference to the source.

                Type in the author's punctuation and spelling into the search engine. Even at school, the teacher of the Russian language talked about this, it is clear that at school such "liberties" were not allowed, but nevertheless there is such a thing.
                Quote: SMikhalych
                Statistics (stubborn, by the way thing) the opinions of members of the forum is not in your favor.

                This is not the case, but respecting the point of view of another person, for example, I do not agree with some messages, but I do not put a minus out of respect for the point of view of the author of the message.
                We do not take the Russian language, let's look at the university program, a person is studying to be an accountant at the university, tell me why he needs such a subject as cultural studies? They listen to music on it, study El Greco's paintings, etc. etc.? Why is this "water" in the university program?
                And as for the Russian language, did you see the text of this dictation (what did you give to the judges)? Let me remind you that for example, on a total dictation in the Russian language, such texts are chosen that even school teachers with great experience make mistakes.
                1. SMikhalych
                  SMikhalych 13 July 2016 19: 43
                  -1
                  Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                  This is not the case, but respecting the point of view of another person, for example, I do not agree with some messages, but I do not put a minus out of respect for the point of view of the author of the message.

                  This is your personal opinion on how to approach the assessment of a comment. The assessment system is used here to somehow reflect your attitude.
                  We do not take the Russian language, let's look at the university program, a person is studying to be an accountant at the university, tell me why he needs such a subject as cultural studies? They listen to music on it, study El Greco's paintings, etc. etc.? Why is this "water" in the university program?

                  But what about the postulate that everything should be fine in a person ...? As far as I know, in such universities, cultural science goes through a test, not an exam, so I sympathize with your misunderstanding - this is a diagnosis.
                  Since this is a forum devoted mainly to military topics, I dare to remind you about the level of education of officers in Russia (the so-called "white officer"). So, gentlemen officers knew how not only to fight competently, but also knew, at least, the fashionable French at that time, they knew how to play musical instruments, and they also knew how to dance, unlike today's "tyts-perdyts". Come on, Mr. Lieutenant of the Air Force Reserve, can you share, are you familiar with the waltz technique?
                  Or is it already an anachronism, from the interpretation "but the hell is he already needed"? So everything is exactly the opposite - in the Suvorov and Nakhimov schools the tradition of holding cadet balls is being revived good
                  That’s why it’s not bad at all when an aspiring economist can say that El Greco is not an eatery “El Pomidor” at all, where the next test in cultural studies was washed with a group. drinks
          2. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 13 July 2016 17: 12
            +10
            Quote: SMikhalych
            By the way, one more "bank" at your gate. If you are trying to restore your reputation in terms of literacy, then I advise you to remember how the appeal "YOU" is written hi


            Bravo Sergey !!! I applaud while standing. The main thing is clear, on the shelves and with taste. Do not decrease, do not add.
            1. SMikhalych
              SMikhalych 13 July 2016 17: 26
              +2
              Bravo Sergey !!! I applaud while standing. The main thing is clear, on the shelves and with taste. Do not decrease, do not add.

              Thank you, Diana. Fortunately, what was invested (with some difficulty) in the secondary school with in-depth study of the English language No. 87 of the hero city of Minsk cannot be corroded by any slang.
            2. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 17: 46
              -1
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              Bravo Sergey !!! I applaud while standing. The main thing is clear, on the shelves and with taste. Do not decrease, do not add.

              Catch +
    3. Outsider V.
      Outsider V. 13 July 2016 23: 56
      0
      It will be reflected, but not reflected. sad

      Word (more precisely, spellchecker) does not fix such errors.
  • DIVAN SOLDIER
    DIVAN SOLDIER 13 July 2016 15: 54
    +10
    Well stobalniki this is most likely from the Caucasus 100% they have there all stobalniki in Russian))
  • pigkiller
    pigkiller 13 July 2016 15: 54
    +6
    Livanov, how many mistakes would he make in such a dictation?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 July 2016 17: 14
      0
      This Associate Professor of the Faculty of Journalism of Moscow State University, for sure, is the same "alien" as his two hundred new wards.
  • Amurets
    Amurets 13 July 2016 15: 56
    +8
    And what did you want? USE in action.
    << - I do not exclude the Unified State Exam destroyed our education in the bud. This is a shameless deception on a national scale. A harsh, inhuman experiment that was carried out on normal healthy children, and we will pay for it in full measure. After all, people who can neither write nor speak, go to all specialties: doctors, nuclear physicists. And that's not the worst part. Children do not understand the meaning of each other's writing. This means that we are heading towards the loss of adequate communication, without which society cannot exist. We are faced with something terrible. And this is not the edge of the abyss: we are already at the bottom. By the way, the guys themselves understand that things are bad, they want to learn, they are ready to run in additional classes. With some, for example, we wrote a dictation in the form of a love note. The girls made 15 mistakes and burst into tears. >>
    1. Outsider V.
      Outsider V. 16 July 2016 13: 29
      0
      > The girls made 15 mistakes and burst into tears ...

      They taught and taught "deffchonki" Russian from the first grade, they didn’t learn nichrome in ten years of study, and then he took the Unified State Exam and arrived in time, and ka-a-ak will lead to a loss of communication! request

      I am not a supporter of the exam and all kinds of tests, but, in my opinion, it is somehow ridiculous to ascribe to him universal laziness and linguistic illiteracy.
  • then
    then 13 July 2016 15: 57
    +10
    I don’t know how to evaluate the article, if everything is really so, this is a disaster.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 13 July 2016 16: 23
      +4
      Quote: sedan
      I don’t know how to evaluate the article, if everything is really so, this is a disaster.

      And you thought differently? How many copies have already been broken down on this topic here, and things are still there. For many students, the writing is clumsy, it will print nothing on the computer. And many such answers can be heard from officials from education. Previously, they worked out clarity and diction when reading, now the reading speed. This is only Russian and literature. And to take other subjects, continuous cramming. What was the strength of Soviet Education? It made me think.
      1. Outsider V.
        Outsider V. 16 July 2016 13: 42
        0
        Well, not everything is so simple. At one time, Soviet education was criticized in the same way: they say that a student is not given the opportunity to think, but ready-made answers are imposed, requiring blind repetition.

        Many who studied at the school of the Soviet era will agree that they did not study literature, but "passed", completely discouraging most students from wanting to get to know Dostoevsky or Tolstoy.

        Kolmogorov’s excellent (in my opinion) geometry textbooks caused horror among parents and students who could not understand the endless theorems. I really liked this textbook, it was beautiful and self-sufficient. But I agree with the criticism that he could not awaken the interest in geometry among most students. It seems that in geometry there are really no royal paths ...

        About the teaching of foreign languages ​​in general I am silent. It was a quiet horror. A man left school, not being able to connect a few words about the weather. I say this as a person who won (unexpectedly for himself) prizes at republican olympiads in the English language. At the same time, I was practically dumb in everyday communication in English. Later I had to painfully overcome this dumbness in live communication.
  • kepmor
    kepmor 13 July 2016 15: 58
    +9
    Our rulers clearly follow the instructions of the Washington regional committee - to leave 10-15 million able-bodied population in Russia to service the drilling and pipelines!
    And the fucking exam is the first step towards this goal!
    Thank you, galley slave, for taking care of the future of the country ...
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 13 July 2016 16: 34
      +1
      Quote: kepmor
      Thank you, galley slave, for taking care of the future of the country ...

      Slave galley can not break into several parts, unfortunately.
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 13 July 2016 16: 48
        +4
        And he doesn't need to "break into several parts" himself ... just take and "break", exemplarily, in 16 years, at least one thief or a fool from the "Dimonov cage of ministers."
        Do not be so naive - without coordination with BAT, appointments to such posts are not made, and even less so the state’s educational policy.
        He knows everything, but he doesn’t do anything ... and he won’t do it, you’ll see.
        1. Strezhevchanin
          Strezhevchanin 13 July 2016 20: 14
          0
          Quote: kepmor
          .simply take and "tear" at least one thief or fool from the "Dimonov ministerial cage" in an exemplary way in 16 years.

          In China, they are exemplarily being shot, dozens of them are already coming and-and-and-and-what !? And how many of these have we closed, dispersed !? Who is a scarf, who is lead ..... and-and-and-what ???
          It is necessary to clean, but not so that all the turbidity from the bottom is lifted.
  • Muvka
    Muvka 13 July 2016 15: 58
    -3
    I don’t understand, are these people admitting that such journalists will be able to finish their studies, with such literacy, before graduation? And it would be better if they drew news about the engine for access to near space. This news is closer to the theme of the site ...
    1. Riv
      Riv 13 July 2016 16: 09
      +5
      The problem is that these are the "victims of the exam" and will write about the cosmic ash. Why is there? They are already writing, and the wildest heresy ...
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 13 July 2016 16: 26
        -1
        Quote: Riv
        The problem is that these are the "victims of the exam" and will write about the cosmic ash. Why is there? They are already writing, and the wildest heresy ...

        In order to start writing about space ash, they probably have to get a diploma first, right? But if they can get a diploma after graduating for several years with “no knowledge”, then this is the university probably to blame?
        1. Riv
          Riv 13 July 2016 18: 06
          0
          I'm not sure that a diploma is a prerequisite. In fact, to write in Topvar, even a passport is not needed.
  • captain
    captain 13 July 2016 15: 58
    +17
    It's not about the exam. The exam was made up of people who wanted to achieve something in the field of education. Maybe they had a task to destroy thinking children. You read those history books, I think many will be dumbfounded. Especially security questions. The material presented in the paragraph does not answer the control questions. What to do to the child? Why in our country there is no single history textbook? People who do not know their past, have no future. Example Ukraine.
    1. Riv
      Riv 13 July 2016 18: 13
      -1
      What tasks are there? Still the world Jewish conspiracy was dragged.
      The problem is not in the exam. It was invented by people who were educated in the late USSR. That is, if you return the Soviet education, this is not a guarantee against morons and stupidity. In fact, what we now have has grown out of the same Soviet school and the USE does not change the very foundation. Teaching at school such things as logic and philosophy is necessary.

      Warning objections to the fact that shkolota can not solve logical problems: you just never once demanded of them. However, this is not required from you, right?
  • Koshak
    Koshak 13 July 2016 15: 58
    +5
    It's time to restore rabfaki what
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 13 July 2016 16: 27
      +3
      Quote: Koshak
      It's time to restore rabfaki what

      What are the rabfaki? Parish schools need to be restored.
      1. Koshak
        Koshak 13 July 2016 17: 23
        +1
        Quote: Amurets
        Parish schools must be restored.

        This is a thought! Moreover, religion is introduced into the program ..
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 13 July 2016 17: 59
        0
        Quote: Amurets
        What are the rabfaki? Parish schools need to be restored.



        By the way, although in scanty numbers, but they exist ...
        They work, however, only on weekends ...
        And literacy (native speech and spelling) is not in last place there ...
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 13 July 2016 23: 14
          +1
          Quote: weksha50
          By the way, although in scanty numbers, but they exist ...
          They work, however, only on weekends ...
          And literacy (native speech and spelling) is not in last place there ...

          In Soviet times, he met with one of the graduates of the theological school. He was the smartest man. He lost his traces. When he argued with the party organizer it was a circus, and the party organizer was not a fool, it was just such a time, Gorbachev had just come to power. Therefore, I completely agree. with you, but I remembered this school because my grandmother at the beginning of the last century graduated from such a school in the village of Zenchukskaya. She read and wrote excellently, and the old scribes could envy the handwriting. And now "Sunday Schools" is also taught, but no longer in that volume.
  • carabiner sks
    carabiner sks 13 July 2016 16: 01
    +7
    Yes, those with excellent marks still go to universities. "High points", their mother. They don't know shit, but ambition is like the whole world is smarter. And university graduates ... Even those with honors ... Specialists are more than mediocre ... Even real ones defend well!
    We have lost the training system.
  • pavelty
    pavelty 13 July 2016 16: 02
    +1
    That's terrible. "Over the top"? That's five points.
  • Foresterer
    Foresterer 13 July 2016 16: 05
    +7
    The son is 17 years old. Every day I’m shown something from the correspondence on social networks. We laugh together, but I want to cry. What students and university graduates write all the time, I don’t understand. So to distort the word that I don’t even try to understand it outside the phrase, half of his interlocutors manage. When asked how he communicates with them in real life in nature, he answers - I say it very simply and briefly, otherwise it’s a stupor! They don’t know stories and geography, they don’t read literature, all future teachers, doctors, managers. Horror. Someone in the country must answer for the exam.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 16: 13
      +1
      Quote: Foresterer
      So to distort the word that I don’t even try to understand it outside the phrase, half of his interlocutors manage.

      This is normal for correspondence on the network, everything went from abroad, they began to reduce words in SMS and messages on the network. For example, the English pronoun You (You) is reduced to one letter U, etc.
    2. shvn
      shvn 13 July 2016 16: 21
      0
      Yes, here are our children and answer ... And who else do you want to see answering? )))
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 16: 56
        0
        Quote: shvn
        Yes, here are our children and answer ... And who else do you want to see answering? )))

        Well, I don’t know, there is a reason to abbreviate words in SMS, you can save money on the number of characters in SMS, when the message is too long, conjugate SMS messages are formed, 2 or more is extra money that schoolchildren and students usually don’t have.
    3. weksha50
      weksha50 13 July 2016 17: 20
      +2
      Quote: Foresterer
      They don’t know stories and geography, they don’t read literature, all future teachers, Doctors managers. Horror.


      In April, an ambulance thrashed me to the hospital with severe pain in the right abdomen, even climb the wall ...
      The young surgeon on duty crumpled, felt and felt (during this time they managed to take and do tests) and finally "established" the diagnosis: "Appendicitis" ...

      My pain even went away for a short time ... I say to him so quietly: "Doctor, I had it removed in 1971 ... But in fact, all the symptoms indicate inflammation of the pancreas" ...

      The answer was: "What, very smart?" ...
      In general, the night lay under a dropper (two were set), I did an ultrasound in the morning, I was right ...

      Not only does this phrase always kill me (Are you very smart?), It is pronounced by a person with a higher education, in addition, turning to a patient who suits him at least as a father, YOU ...

      This is so, a small example from life ... The results of not only the exam, but also education, and much more ...
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 13 July 2016 20: 14
        +2
        Quote: weksha50
        In April, an ambulance thrashed me to the hospital with severe pain in the right abdomen, even climb the wall ...
        The young surgeon on duty crumpled, felt and felt (during this time they managed to take and do tests) and finally "established" the diagnosis: "Appendicitis" ...

        My pain even went away for a short time ... I say to him so quietly: "Doctor, I had it removed in 1971 ... But in fact, all the symptoms indicate inflammation of the pancreas" ...

        The answer was: "What, very smart?" ...
        In general, the night lay under a dropper (two were set), I did an ultrasound in the morning, I was right ...

        Not only does this phrase always kill me (Are you very smart?), It is pronounced by a person with a higher education, in addition, turning to a patient who suits him at least as a father, YOU ...

        This is so, a small example from life ... The results of not only the exam, but also education, and much more ...

        My relative gave birth to a wife, a hematoma birth injury occurred on the child’s head, which was then pumped out with a syringe, none of the doctors prescribed an ultrasound or MRI of the newborn immediately after delivery. He cried for 2 weeks, they spoke because of a hematoma of the head, as a result, they made an ultrasound and found a collarbone fracture that had already begun to fuse. These are not doctors; this is horror. The necessary procedures are not prescribed, they pull time to hope for a chance.
      2. Falcon5555
        Falcon5555 14 July 2016 02: 56
        +2
        Pancreas on the left. And to the right (lower) - and in fact - appendicitis.
  • friend of animals
    friend of animals 13 July 2016 16: 05
    +2
    If the associate professor does not exaggerate mistakes, then it is time to start an investigation, as these people wrote the exam. I had a chance to pass both normal school exams and the USE, because I entered different universities for 2 years in a row, when the USE had just appeared. These tests are difficult enough that a person who passes them with an A (and even a 3) does not make such crazy mistakes. "I do not know" is generally a crime.
    1. excomandante
      excomandante 13 July 2016 16: 15
      +2
      Exaggerating ?! Yes, he understates, just ridiculous chose.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 July 2016 16: 44
      0
      Yes, these are more likely those who just did not pass the USE, and the certificates that they passed were simply bought.
    3. ZAV69
      ZAV69 13 July 2016 17: 50
      0
      So it was you who at that time were still preparing normally, and didn’t drag check marks. Now everything is much sadder.
      1. Isstorik
        Isstorik 13 July 2016 20: 45
        +1
        You just have not seen the exam. Besides ticks, there is an essay, without which it is simply impossible to pass the Unified State Examination by 5. In the USE in mathematics, there are no jobs with options for choosing for six years now.
        1. Outsider V.
          Outsider V. 16 July 2016 13: 54
          0
          By the way, yes.
  • nakhtigalsif
    nakhtigalsif 13 July 2016 16: 06
    +2
    YOSH-so students write in the UPI according to teachers ...
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 13 July 2016 18: 04
      0
      Quote: nachtigalsif
      YOSH-so students write in the UPI according to teachers ...


      In an ancient, bearded anecdote it was said that Catherine the Great made 4 mistakes in a word of three letters ... "More" she wrote "Ischo" ...

      Maybe modern students, without exception, dream of becoming kings-presidents, whose literacy there will be no one to check so as not to lose their heads ... laughing
  • Potter
    Potter 13 July 2016 16: 08
    +6
    Unfortunately, this is almost everywhere.
    And then it all depends on the principle of deans and department heads.
    Where people show integrity - the issue is 30% of the admission. Where they don’t show up, or in paid universities, diplomas of under-lawyers, under-managers, under-economists are stamped in tons. And if by disbelievers or under-engineers?
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 13 July 2016 16: 43
      +4
      Quote: Potter
      And if by disbelievers or under-engineers?

      I didn’t have to deal with mistrustes. Yes, I thought about it, I would kill. The simplest work could not be entrusted. We could not write an explanatory note and draw up schemes for the work already done. Drafts and sketches were ready.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 July 2016 16: 51
      +3
      All these diplomas - toilet paper for the employer - without friends and experience, they won’t get anywhere.
      1. Isstorik
        Isstorik 13 July 2016 20: 41
        0
        It depends on what kind of diploma. With a teacher in any school will take, especially the guys. No one will look at the grades, if only there would be a diploma.
  • excomandante
    excomandante 13 July 2016 16: 11
    0
    The associate professor of the faculty of journalism realized that after 10-15 years. Guess! (C) We still hear all these bloopers even on the radio, even on TV, we don't see them in the text just because the word itself corrects mistakes! As YI Mukhin rightly noted: "For the last twenty years in Russia, all the idiosyncrasies without exception have gone into journalism."
  • luxprofi
    luxprofi 13 July 2016 16: 15
    +11
    Liberal executive Medvedkov’s power! Infinite Roadmaps, competencies, other empty words, their newspeak. Endless reforms of everything and everyone. With the same result. That is, without it. I want them, oh how I want, to redraw everything according to the Western model. To grow a new, unfamiliar tribe. To have a new kind of people. And then the herds of morons will cheerfully ride across the expanses of Russia mother. They will competently consume \ Fursenko’s dream, grow a competent consumer \, competently tattoo, protect themselves and copulate.
  • Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 13 July 2016 16: 16
    +5
    Well, it's time to file a petition to cancel this three-time-fucking USE.
    At the same time and fuck the one who introduced it.
    ...
    Indeed, the percentage of illiteracy begins to roll over in front of our eyes.
    Even in the creeping line in the "box" this comes across, already driving teeth.
    And on the Internet .... drain the water.
    ...
    Will we file a petition?
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 13 July 2016 23: 33
      +2
      Quote: Bashibuzuk
      Even in the creeping line in the "box" this comes across, already driving teeth.

      Fortunately (oh, horror !!!) advertisers can't catch up with them. Now, however, the center of St. Petersburg (at least, the center) has been cleared of huge and not very colored, tasteless, monsters, often cutting the eyes with mistakes, and what kind of mistakes! From what I saw personally, what came to mind first was a huge stand with an advertisement of some fitness center (in the center of St. Petersburg, on Lermontovsky), which read: "TRAIN WITH PLEASURE!" I calculated the "mechanism" of the error - they took the word "trainer" as a test word ... Damn it, in the light of all the above written (including articles) and read, I'm afraid that with my example I am climbing into the "impassable jungle" and the "higher matters" of the Russian Language (yes, that's right, with capital letters!), even if the word "training", like its derivatives, are borrowed. Although, I am sure that many people know the word "training" that has become familiar from early childhood. Well, this is an advertisement, so to speak, "light genre". But when such things, moreover with terrifying consistency, for more than twenty-five years, have been happening in fiction ... In the 90s there was a kind of "book boom", "everything and everywhere" began to be published (business, eprst ... ), but along with the increase in the book mass, the quality of printed products fell sharply, both in form and in content. What can we say about mistakes. In my opinion, in the 90s it was almost impossible to find a printed edition without grammatical errors. By the way, technical progress has played a cruel joke here. The widespread introduction of computer typing, complete with would-be typesetters, nevertheless negatively affected the book publishing of that period. There was a period, albeit a short one, when I really began to feel disgust for reading, thanks to such "Drukars". It's good that it quickly let go. And it was thought that it will not be worse than then ... Naive idealist !!! "... and I have read several books, I know the joy of the printed word ..." (BG) hi
  • Not served
    Not served 13 July 2016 16: 18
    +2
    Zhurfak MSU is an absolutely major faculty of Moscow State University. There goes mainly the so-called golden youth. Yes, let it go, the main thing is that in the Moscow Aviation Institute, Baumanka should not go. Yes, and never will, there really needs to be studied, and even a strong base is needed.
    No need to evaluate the level of our children in this article. The school and the exam are in themselves, but what parents teach themselves is another. The school has not taught and educated for a long time, it only requires. They get rid of non-standard ones by any means; they prevent them from showing their nearness and stupidity in classes.
  • pts-m
    pts-m 13 July 2016 16: 18
    0
    At present, there is still something to compare the methodology of education, but then we’ll really move on to the Albanian language. The people rightly say ... that it’s good for a Russian, then a foreigner is kirdyk, only in the opposite sense ...
  • black
    black 13 July 2016 16: 20
    +2
    Gentlemen, watch over the education of your children. Cultivate their love of reading books. Do not rely on school.
  • eleronn
    eleronn 13 July 2016 16: 23
    +12
    In the Russian Federation, the level of earnings is not related to the level of education. Stupidity and mediocrity sits in the government and parliament, receives very decent money and is not responsible for anything!
  • Evver
    Evver 13 July 2016 16: 23
    +2
    There are simply no words ... And this is on the journalism department of Moscow State University !!!
    What is being done in the other, less specialized / prestigious universities? In my head it does not fit ...
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 13 July 2016 18: 09
      +1
      Quote: Ever
      What is being done in the other, less specialized / prestigious universities? In my head it does not fit ...



      And there, and teachers have the same level of knowledge of the Russian language ...
      Sometimes I look at my daughter-in-law's reviews, testimonials, notes from teachers ... I can't find words ... No, I once called it ... "Clumsy illiteracy" ...
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 13 July 2016 16: 24
    0
    "Although the guys are not stupid people, but victims of serious pedagogical neglect" - These guys are victims of their own heads, as well as laziness - "aliens" and "lunatics"
  • prior
    prior 13 July 2016 16: 24
    +2
    Russia is your "peremoga". What's next, Mr. Livanov?
  • SMikhalych
    SMikhalych 13 July 2016 16: 29
    +3
    We write installation dictations to identify the level of knowledge of freshmen every year.

    This is already progress. And if you revived such an element of the test of knowledge, as a statement or, God forbid, an essay - that’s where there would be fun. What kind of personality development can we talk about if a person is not able to write an essay on a given topic ??? When I was at home, when I was offered a choice of three topics: two based on a classic literary work (for me it was a nightmare on Elm Street) and free, I always chose the latter. For me, it was a stable total 4 (according to the then 5-point system), because there were two ratings (as in figure skating) - one for the content (the point was taken for freethinking) and the second for literacy (sinned with complex sentences, and there are punctuation marks ... a shell to them in the tower).
    So three mistakes in one word (ischo instead of another) is far from the limit laughing
    1. Isstorik
      Isstorik 13 July 2016 20: 32
      0
      Sorry, but no one canceled the work. It, as it was one of the tasks in the USE in the Russian language, remained. Without it, writing on a normal score is simply impossible, especially 100 points.
  • ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 13 July 2016 16: 29
    0
    "formally strong: average score in Russian - 83" What is this nonsense? People on the IUD, Mehmat, etc. higher marks in Russian.
  • Kostya
    Kostya 13 July 2016 16: 30
    0
    In short, the HORROR!
  • weksha50
    weksha50 13 July 2016 16: 31
    +4
    "we are leading to the loss of adequate communication, without which society cannot exist"...

    And speaking of the fact that these graduates are not accustomed to reading books, then many modern books here are not helpers ...

    Now we often have to face the fact that in readable books the authors show not only complete illiteracy in the Russian language, but also in knowledge of geography and history ...
    Sometimes you wonder what pearls are found ...

    If earlier, at least the mistakes of the authors were eliminated by correct proofreaders (at least in terms of spelling, syntax, morphology), and the construction of connected phrases, finally, then they were eradicated as a class under Gorbachev ... That is, in general, this rot is the elimination literate people began before the collapse of the Union ...
    I remember that during the Gorbachev region and its notorious introduction of self-financing activities of enterprises, for the first time, for some reason, it was correctors and track crawlers on the railway that were eliminated as the most unnecessary professions ...
  • tasha
    tasha 13 July 2016 16: 32
    +2
    The article was written in 2009 and occasionally pops up on various Internet resources. So I got to VO. I have nothing against it.
    And if only one of the modern journalists and media administrators has contacted Anastasia Nikolaeva over these seven years, and asked - is something changing and in which direction?

    From personal observations - now "Albany" is no longer in vogue among young people.
  • Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 13 July 2016 16: 36
    +8
    Firstly, in vain they offended aliens! am And secondly, the country was splashing into it along the most Lebanon wassat sailed, nowhere else to go !!! An urgent reform is needed with a return to the Soviet system of education, and the ban of all kinds of ege. I would still prohibit the use of smartphones, tablets and other gadgets in universities, institutes, academies, only paper books !!! And then the complete country of fools is the way of some countries where, at the sight of a bite, people faint, or shout that this is something alien ...
    1. Isstorik
      Isstorik 13 July 2016 20: 30
      +1
      Sorry, but many books and materials in paper form are simply not there, only in electronic form. Either, in principle, no, or in a particular city there is not, or there are one or two copies.
      Now many publications are available only in electronic form, the circulation of scientific papers is rarely over 500 copies (and even then, as a rule, the author prints at his own expense). In such a situation without computers, it’s just nowhere.
      On the contrary, you need to digitize books faster and make them publicly available. Everything is very slow with us. All over the world they have already fled far from us, and we have a huge amount of scientific literature lying dead weight in libraries.
      Recently, in our regional scientific library, they began to give remote access to electronic versions of books. So you must first go there with your passport, and you can only take 10 e-books for 14 days !!! That is precisely the aliens in charge of the library business in our country.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 14 July 2016 07: 38
        +1
        Quote: Istorik
        Recently, in our regional scientific library, they began to give remote access to electronic versions of books. So you must first go there with your passport, and you can only take 10 e-books for 14 days !!! That is precisely the aliens in charge of the library business in our country.

        I will tell you a terrible secret: there are many simple ways to get access to the electronic version of the book, "steal" it - that is, download, copy ... And there are also complex ways ...
  • Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 13 July 2016 16: 40
    +1
    Firstly, in vain they offended aliens! am And secondly, the country was splashing into it along the most Lebanon wassat sailed, nowhere else to go !!! An urgent reform is needed with a return to the Soviet system of education, and the ban of all kinds of ege. I would still prohibit the use of smartphones, tablets and other gadgets in universities, institutes, academies, only paper books !!! And then the complete country of fools is the way of some countries where, at the sight of a primus, people faint, or shout that this is something alien ...
  • gridasov
    gridasov 13 July 2016 16: 44
    +2
    Do not forget that they will write for the same aliens.
  • Sasha_Sar
    Sasha_Sar 13 July 2016 16: 44
    +3
    I am trying to make my "dunce" 12 and 10 years old to read books, I got the benefit from my parents. But it was easier to make the "soldier" learn the articles of the charter. I seize tablets and phones by order. Watching moronic cartoons. I tell them: "You are like dogs, you understand, but you cannot express your thoughts correctly and correctly." Many words of the Russians simply do not understand. If they hear such words somewhere: scolded, promised, etc. full "guard". A couple more years and we will stop understanding each other
    1. Isstorik
      Isstorik 13 July 2016 20: 19
      0
      I agree. All this computerization of everyday life greatly affects thinking, language and speech. The screens are filled with completely idiotic content. In the 90s, Western films and cartoons were in use, now we also release the same nonsense in batches. By that age, when the child begins to prepare for the State Academic Examination and the Unified State Examination, his mindset is already being formed.
  • vabvab
    vabvab 13 July 2016 16: 45
    +5
    I think I will not be mistaken if I say that almost every first Russian citizen over 30 has a hefty tooth on the exam. Those who have made efforts to push through this project should be fired to hell without the right to reinstate in the civil service. It would be nice to plant, but there is no such article, alas.
  • Bramb
    Bramb 13 July 2016 16: 45
    +1
    What journalism faculty, law faculty, philological faculty: there were not literate and there are none.
    All my life these faculties have been for "Marry Successfully".
  • Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 13 July 2016 16: 46
    +4
    Ministry of Education rubs pens! The result (deplorable for us) has been achieved, Russia will soon be in the darkness of illiteracy, the money of the US State Department is fully worked out !!!
  • purple
    purple 13 July 2016 16: 46
    +1
    this is not the point, but the fact that corruption with the USE is this ... Especially from the southern republics, all have 100 points in Russian, but sales statements are written with errors ... how so?
    1 sheep 10 points chtoli?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 July 2016 16: 57
      0
      It seems there is a different scenario - one sheep 100 points.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 July 2016 16: 58
      0
      Take one, release the other.
    3. V.ic
      V.ic 13 July 2016 17: 06
      -1
      Quote: purple
      whether?

      Have you spelled it right yourself?
  • taseka
    taseka 13 July 2016 16: 51
    +2
    At the same time, all with the republics of the Caucasus are steadily traveling with 100 points and all hren
  • Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 13 July 2016 16: 55
    0
    - You can lose many?

    - I do not exclude that every fifth freshman. Unified State Examination destroyed our education in the bud.


    Children do not understand the meaning of each other. And this means that we are heading towards the loss of adequate communication, without which society cannot exist. We are faced with something terrible. And this is not the edge of the abyss: we are already at the bottom.

    The idea of ​​the exam failed, or failed? Cui prodest - “who benefits”
  • vetor
    vetor 13 July 2016 16: 55
    +4
    Yes, since the introduction of the exam, more or less educated people have been opposed both in newspapers and in social networks. But Min. apparently does not apply to such.
    1. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 13 July 2016 17: 19
      0
      (What is the power of power? Lev Tolstoy) Type in a search engine, you can search in pictures.
  • RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 13 July 2016 16: 59
    +4
    The education system is completely destroyed, two children themselves are studying in 8 and 5 classes. The program is bloated, clogged with all sorts of nonsense. I can’t understand what is hindering the return of the Soviet education system? It is interesting to hear the opinion of the professor on this subject; he passed both the Soviet and Israeli schools. The development and development of Israel is impressive.
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 13 July 2016 16: 59
    +6
    British scientists have established something, and the Russian Ministry of Education is implementing what
    1. bovig
      bovig 13 July 2016 17: 53
      +1
      Quote: 16112014nk
      British scientists have established something, and the Russian Ministry of Education is implementing what

      British scientists may have found something, but this example is not "on the topic" ... Have you ever played a game called "broken phone" as a child? And have you ever paid attention to this pattern: some processes that do not affect the momentary situation are capable of causing serious, fundamental changes over time. That is, their action unfolds in time ... Echo effect! The answer comes with a delay, but not complete ... With the exam, a similar picture is observed ...
  • trophy
    trophy 13 July 2016 17: 02
    +4
    The main trouble is not that we have lost several generations in terms of education, although this is also quite scary, and the main trouble is that our leadership is quite happy with this and no one is going to change anything. Our opinion, and what is our opinion, is the beauty of publicity and democracy in Russia in its current version. Although you’re caught up, they still don’t hear you, and they don’t want to hear you.
  • sir_obs
    sir_obs 13 July 2016 17: 03
    0
    Dictation. In our country, few people know how to speak plainly, about writing in general, one should not even stutter.
    And these imaginary excellent students just need to kick out, and most importantly, give them a new certificate that corresponds to their level of training.
  • Shamsik
    Shamsik 13 July 2016 17: 04
    0
    I’m so katsa shto datsent Rusko language is not equal.
    1. Bath
      Bath 13 July 2016 19: 27
      0
      I have a friend, the captain of the police, the inspector of the teaching staff, so he wrote not Tiger in the report, but Tigor)) the Adyghe State University has higher legal status, such matters wassat
  • then
    then 13 July 2016 17: 08
    +6
    When I was studying, every mistake in the dictation was deducted by a point. Three mistakes - two! Now a hundred-point rating system. That is, is it that you can make 35 mistakes, score 65 points and get "excellent"?
    My children have already learned. This year the grandson will go to school. The teacher wants to know who will be doing homework with the student. I didn't understand: "Who goes to first grade?"
    1. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 13 July 2016 17: 10
      +1
      I didn't understand: "Who goes to first grade?"
      What are the conclusions? laughing
    2. Khariton
      Khariton 13 July 2016 17: 21
      +2
      Quote: sedan
      When I was studying, for every mistake in the dictation I was reduced by a point. Three mistakes - two!
      My children have already learned. This year the grandson will go to school. The teacher wants to know who will be doing homework with the student. I didn't understand: "Who goes to first grade?"

      laughing laughing I have a 2nd grade son ... To be honest, the brain boilswhen I try to understand the task itself in different subjects, who created these textbooks ????
      That walks on inter for a long time ..)))
      Assignment: Draw a picture of the world, through the eyes of a grasshopper ..! laughing wassat
      Dad wrote: We don’t smoke this ..))))
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 13 July 2016 18: 24
        0
        Quote: Chariton
        Assignment: Draw a picture of the world, through the eyes of a grasshopper ..!



        Then I quietly got sick ... Granddaughter comes to us, we do homework, then we send home to parents ...

        After she left, I was forced to take a "sedative" ... Matyuki went through everything he knew ...

        The world through the eyes of a grasshopper ... Yes, I will not drink so much to imagine !!!
        And what about the child ??? Clay Moment make him smell, so that he sees the world through the eyes of a grasshopper ???

        These are the things ... And laughter, and ... chagrin ...
    3. weksha50
      weksha50 13 July 2016 18: 21
      0
      Quote: sedan
      This year the grandson will go to school. The teacher wants to know who will be doing homework with the student. I didn't understand: "Who goes to first grade?"



      Hmm ... I offer my condolences, "first-grader blotter" ... Read carefully the standards of primary education, fortunately - they are on the Internet ...
      In general, in the classroom, the teacher gives a minimum, and then at home the parents should study the textbook and workbook with the student ... If you don’t do this, there will be a complete paragraph ... Both for you and your grandson (granddaughter) ...
      And according to these standards, the teacher is not responsible for the volume and level of knowledge beyond the standard ... And the standard level is something ...

      My wife and grandmother also missed this question ...
      We realized only by the end of the 2nd quarter of the 1st grade ...
      I could not immediately understand - something was amiss, but what? But nothing ... deal with the child yourself, if you want him to know something ...

      Unfortunately, here you can also fall into discrepancy regarding the preparation for the exam ...
  • soft mirrors
    soft mirrors 13 July 2016 17: 12
    +4
    The article is rather dubious, like its original source //obrazovanie.by/01_articles/001.html
    1. Putinets
      Putinets 13 July 2016 17: 28
      +2
      I agree to 100%
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 July 2016 17: 31
      +1
      The author of this article, too, he studied at the journalism department of Moscow State University - there are not a few mistakes in the text.
  • Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 13 July 2016 17: 12
    +3
    The problem is not in the ege, but in the quality of teaching the subject. My generation has not yet passed the tests ... but even then a low literacy in Russian appeared at the university ... that I then had to introduce this subject for junior courses. What? ehe is to blame? Which was not yet. Everything depends on the teacher. And now they are literate .. knowing their job a little. And from parents. When you need to hope for more than one school ... but also to monitor your child yourself ... to control the implementation of lessons ... reading books .... and to share your knowledge ... without spending time watching computer shows and complaints about life.
    1. Putinets
      Putinets 13 July 2016 17: 31
      +2
      I studied in the year 80-85 and artyag. And we had a guy in the platoon who wrote ischo. But in my mind I could do all the calculations for the sighting on the benchmark (the gunners will understand), and the 3 task for him was generally like seeds.
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 13 July 2016 18: 17
        0
        Quote: Putin
        I studied in the year 80-85 and artyag. And we had a guy in the platoon who wrote ischo. But in my mind I could do all the calculations for the sighting on the benchmark (the gunners will understand), and the 3 task for him was generally like seeds.

        I was also stable in Russian at school 3 in Russian ..))) But still the comma-pronouns, test words in my memory remained clear, I write intuitively (I also often make mistakes, but not as much as today's youth) I have two higher ones .. The Russian language is very considered difficult compared to others (a lot of rules in the grammar, etc.) But the soul can be expressed on it in full .. hi
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 13 July 2016 22: 10
          0
          What are you talking about? This is no longer Russian - it is grunting.
        2. osoboye_mneniye
          osoboye_mneniye 15 July 2016 19: 57
          0
          I was also stable in Russian at school 3 in Russian. - This is not a little bit in Russian ..)) Plus 1 error.

          But nevertheless, comma-pronouns, test words in my memory remained clear, I write intuitively (I am also often mistaken, but not as much as today's youth) - 4 commas, 3 spaces after commas, 1 dot.

          Total in 5 sentences 6 errors. At the same time, there are 5 errors in only one sentence.
          Given that intuition and a triple, everything is not so bad))