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The Russian Volga-Dnepr group of companies and its subsidiary AirBridgeCargo (AirBridgeCargo Airlines) are close to signing a firm contract for the purchase of American cargo aircraft Boeing 747-8F. This large-scale transaction raises many questions.



AirBridgeCargo Airlines Boeing 747-8F Cargo Aircraft (c) airbridgecargo.com

Recall that in June last year, Volga-Dnepr Group signed a memorandum of understanding with the American corporation Boeing on the acquisition of 20 cargo aircraft Boeing 747-8F of the new building at the international aerospace show in Le Bourget (France). In the framework of these agreements, the Russian airline already received two cars in November last year. In March, 2016, the Boeing received a firm order for two more aircraft. At the end of June of this year, the American Bloomberg agency announced that AirBridgeCargo Airlines, Volga-Dnepr and the American aerospace concern Boeing are close to concluding a firm contract for the supply of at least ten new Boeing 747-8 Freighter cargo aircraft.

According to the agency, the contract will be signed during the international aerospace salon in the British Farnborough, which starts 11 on July 2016 of the year (An-124-100 and Boeing 747-8F aircraft of the Volga-Dnepr group will be presented at the ground exhibition). The catalog price of a dozen Boeing planes purchased by Volga-Dnepr is close to 4 billion. Bloomberg stresses that the order from a Russian airline will keep Boeing 747-8F in production over the next few years - in the face of tough competition from more economical ones. two-engine cars four-engine "Jumbo" are experiencing big problems with the search for new buyers.


AirBridgeCargo Airlines airline Boeing 747-8F (c) Timur Huseynov / imguseynov.livejournal.com

It draws attention to the extremely risky nature of the transaction for the Russian participant. Note the strangeness of this transaction and the issues arising in its connection.

1) Why is the production of an American aircraft generally saved by a Russian airline, and not, say, an American, or at least a Middle Eastern or East Asian? Maybe the new 747 are considered unpromising investment of funds?

2) Why does Volga-Dnepr go to such large-scale purchases of aircraft right now? If AirBridgeCargo purchases all the 20 new Boeing 747 according to the memorandum of intent, it will mean a doubling of the fleet of these cars of the Russian airline and a threefold increase in its fleet of 747-8F aircraft. At the same time, no abrupt growth in the air cargo market is expected. The market is close to stagnation, and a slight increase in cargo turnover is absorbed by the cargo compartments of passenger wide-bodied aircraft. Modern passenger twin-engine Boeing 777 or Airbus A350 even with a full load of passenger seats take on board the 25-30 tons of cargo. Logistics companies charter these facilities, which is why specialized cargo aircraft (and their niche airlines) are losing the market. The Volga-Dnepr Group itself, in addition to being forced to compete heavily in the regular transport market, is experiencing problems in the market for the transport of oversized cargo, its traditional homeland. Under these conditions, the timing of expansion and mass purchases of new aircraft selected by its management is incomprehensible.


Cargo plane Boeing 747-8F (c) Boeing

3) How will the transaction be financed? Four (or 3,5 with discounts) billion dollars in the catalog price of a dozen 747-8F purchased is the turnover of the Volga-Dnepr group of companies over several years or its profit over decades of work. It is clear that we are talking about leasing and a long-term loan secured by new and existing airlines, including the American Boeing 747 subsidiary AirBridgeCargo and An-124-100 Volga-Dnepr itself.

4) Is it then right to understand that in the event of financial difficulties for Volga-Dnepr Group and the bankruptcy of the group, its entire fleet of Ruslans (and half of the entire Russian fleet of these vehicles) will go to American creditors?

5) Does the transaction not pose a threat to the national security of Russia? After all, An-124-100 “Volga-Dnepr” together with “Ruslans” of the Ministry of Defense of Russia is a tool to ensure the strategic and operational mobility of the Armed Forces of Russia.

In general, the transaction is extremely risky and rational arguments in its favor at first glance are not visible.

Therefore, allow yourself a hypothesis.

The new Boeing 747-8F, discussed in the Bloomberg article, will not be the first cars of this type purchased by Volga-Dnepr. For the first time, five Russian new Boeing-747-8F aircraft purchased the 2007 of the year for their subsidiary AirBridgeCargo.

Recall the circumstances of the transaction. In 2005, a commission led by former US Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Walker conducted an investigation into the abuse of the oil-for-food program, the largest stories a financial project of the UN (the program allowed Iraq to sell oil on the world market in exchange for food and medicine, all oil was worth about $ 65 billion dollars). The commission found evidence that a Russian citizen, Alexander Yakovlev, who was responsible for procurement at the UN Secretariat, took bribes from companies that later received UN contracts. In the same year, in a federal district court in New York, Yakovlev pleaded guilty to taking bribes and laundering money and was arrested. Yakovlev testified against Vladimir Kuznetsov, Chairman of the Advisory Committee on Administrative and Budgetary Questions of the UN General Assembly.

In March 2007, a New York jury found Kuznetsov guilty of conspiracy to launder money. According to FOX News, Yakovlev provided consulting services to Volga-Dnepr, which allowed the latter to win UN tenders. Part of the funds received, according to the investigation, Yakovlev laundered using Kuznetsov-owned offshore bank accounts. As a result, the United Nations suspended relations with Volga-Dnepr Airlines, while Yakovlev and Kuznetsov were threatened with decades of imprisonment. According to some reports, there was a possibility of issuing an arrest warrant for Alexei Isaikin himself, the president of the Volga-Dnepr group.


Alexander Yakovlev and Vladimir Kuznetsov

And then came the purchase of the very first five Boeing-747-8F for AirBridgeCargo. After that, the pressure of the American justice system on these Russian citizens abruptly slept. Vladimir Kuznetsov was extradited to Russia and soon released. In 2010, Yakovlev was sentenced to several hours (yes, hours) of imprisonment and two-year public oversight, while agreeing to give the US 900 thousands of dollars from his accounts in Liechtenstein Bank. As for Volga-Dnepr, the company soon returned to the fulfillment of UN orders, moreover, the joint venture of the group with the Ukrainian state-owned enterprise Antonov Ruslan SALIS GmbH received a renewal of the NATO-Vst contract for strategic transportation in the interests of the North Atlantic alliance. In general, it looks as if the acquisition of five 747-8F "Volga-Dnepr" then was able to pay off from the Americans.


AirBridgeCargo Airlines Airlines Boeing 747-8F Cargo Aircraft (c) airfreight-logistics.com

It takes several years. US-Russian relations are deteriorating sharply due to the Ukrainian and protracted Syrian crisis. In addition, the United States withdrew troops from Iraq and curtailed its military presence in Afghanistan, as a result, the volume of transportation of equipment and, accordingly, the volume of orders for Volga-Dnepr with its Ruslans, decreased. Next is our guess. Under these conditions, the Russian company is no longer needed by the Americans and they put a condition - either you buy from us a large batch of Boeing-747-8F on credit under appropriate conditions, saving the production of this car, or we cover you with sanctions. Based on, let's say, Volga-Dnepr regularly transports cargoes of Rosoboronexport, sanctions against which were recently extended once again by the United States. In any case, it would be easy for Americans to throw a Russian company out of its own air transport market, which is fatal for a subsidiary of AirBridgeCargo, the formal recipient of these Boeing-747-8F, as the North American market accounts for up to a third of its turnover.


“Maybe he was tortured there ?!” (c) Still from the film “The Diamond Arm”

However, perhaps the initiative to buy Boeings really came from the management of the Russian company: people smelled what was going on, and offered the Americans a deal, like last time, only on a larger scale. The expectation is that the United States will not impose sanctions on the airline that saved the production of the American aircraft. In any case, the risks for the American side are small. "Boeing" in which case they will remain, plus the Americans are able to hang on a large and long loan company, which determines the strategic mobility of the armed forces of the potential enemy. Agree, if our assumption is correct, then many questions about the economic feasibility of the transaction for the purchase of a large batch of 747-8 disappear. However, all the risks of this purchase for the Russian participant remain. And the risk of losing the best part of the park "Ruslan" for Russia, too.



An-124-100 transport aircraft of Volga-Dnepr Airlines (c) Timur Huseynov / timguseynov.livejournal.com

Now the question "what to do?"

Well, firstly, once again to learn from the superpower to defend their national interests and the interests of their industry by any means.

Secondly, to recommend to our Ministry of Defense and the leadership of Volga-Dnepr to look for compromise options on the question of the purchase of An-124-100 by the military department. We know that the military need these machines. After all, in view of the cancellation of plans to resume production of Ruslans, it will take a long time for our VKS to wait for a new heavy military transport aircraft.




An-124 transport aircraft “Ruslan” of the Russian Aerospace Force of the Russian Federation has just delivered a C-400 air defense system to the Hamim base in Syria (c) saidpvo.livejournal.com
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 13 July 2016 04: 22 New
    +8
    The Russian Volga-Dnepr group of companies and its subsidiary AirBridgeCargo (AirBridgeCargo Airlines) are close to signing a firm contract for the purchase of American cargo aircraft Boeing 747-8F. This large-scale transaction raises many questions.
    we support the "domestic" manufacturer ...
    1. PN
      PN 13 July 2016 04: 31 New
      -2
      Well, if you look from the other side. While the airline together with the AN aircraft is pledged, the Americans have a chance that the manufacturer in the "brotherly" state will not refuse repairs, documentation and spare parts. Although this may only be a version.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 13 July 2016 07: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: PN
        the likelihood that the manufacturer in the "brotherly" state will not refuse repairs, documentation and spare parts.

        Already refused. You can repair it on your own, but then the planes will not receive a safety certificate and will not be able to fly abroad, this is critical for a private company. Therefore, the Boeing.
        "Pledge" has nothing to do with it - planes are leased, as I understand it, and leasing is not a loan (in the article, the author has made a point).
        Leasing is a lease of property with the right to purchase.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 July 2016 10: 01 New
        +3
        The company does not have any collateral with anyone.
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 13 July 2016 11: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          The company does not have any collateral with anyone.



          A pledge is only property that is leased (rented) ...
          At least this is under our law ...
          And since it is to a greater extent "licked" from the amersky, then there should be no discrepancies either ...

          Some time ago, we at VO on this subject broke peaks and spears ...
          At that time, in the heat of the search for the "moment of truth", it also did not immediately reach me that the author had too far-fetched the fact of the Ruslan's pledge ...

          Actually, although the issue of acquiring not ours, but American aircraft is unpleasant, however, given the fact that this daughter of Volga-Dnepr has 2/3 of orders in North America, this purchase is partially justified ... I repeat - partially .. ...

          And still this procurement project somehow smells bad ...
          1. Ze Kot
            Ze Kot 16 July 2016 15: 42 New
            0
            Quote: weksha50
            Actually, although the issue of acquiring not our, but amersky aircraft



            Dudes live and work in the USA for a long time, have accounts in foreign banks. What is incomprehensible here?
    2. Very old
      Very old 13 July 2016 05: 13 New
      +6
      Support their only, dear, beloved
      That which is always with you is always buttoned

      And they are not interested in Russian production
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 13 July 2016 07: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Very old
        And they are not interested in Russian production

        Russian production does not produce aircraft capable of pulling 140 tons of cargo.
        1. Very old
          Very old 13 July 2016 08: 21 New
          0
          Antey - Russian brains, if you are interested
          And there are areas and opportunities
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 13 July 2016 08: 32 New
            +5
            Quote: Very old
            And there are areas and opportunities

            But there is no plane. I have no idea how long it will take to design a heavy transport vehicle from scratch, coupled with its launch into production, but I suspect that during this time the Boeings will have time to develop most of their resource.
          2. weksha50
            weksha50 13 July 2016 11: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: Very old
            Antey - Russian brains, if you are interested
            And there are areas and opportunities


            I agree with the first, but not with the second ...

            Antey (An-22) - firstly, the old machine, has been in operation since 1969 (!!!), although it still flies both here and in / in Ukraine ... Moreover, in Russia - only 2, in Ukraine - 1 ... The main thing is that its carrying capacity of 60, by no means, can compete with either Ruslan or the Boeing-000 ...

            Moreover, its production was discontinued due to its replacement with IL-76 ...

            And it’s not even worth talking about the areas and the possibility of its reproduction ... Why ??? belay hi
        2. avt
          avt 13 July 2016 09: 02 New
          +5
          Quote: Gray Brother
          Russian production does not produce aircraft capable of pulling 140 tons of cargo.

          Here the problem, which the author shyly keeps silent about, is a little more subtle, either from an excess of mind - since its design will not just crumble, it will really crack, or from banal illiteracy. The trick is that ramp, classic transport workers, well, the same Galaxy and Ruslans, carry loads ... well, not standard and bulky, so to speak. And the BASIC cargo traffic goes in standard aviation containers, for loading into cargo airplanes converted from passenger ones, the airports of the WORLD are sharpened. This is the air carrier and orders the most cargo-carrying airplane mass-produced today. The alternative of Russian production was in the form of 5 Il-96 for "Flight", but it died and 96 in general are not mass-produced - they only want to resume the series. There was no alternative. Ah! YES!
          Secondly, we recommend that our Ministry of Defense and the Volga-Dnepr leadership look for compromise options on the purchase of the An-124-100 by the military department. We know that the military understands the need for these machines.
          But the campaign was not really crazy. First, what is he? Are you going to remake them for container shipping? Secondly, how is he going to certify them for INTERNATIONAL transportations, civilian ones, if all the rights and support on Antonov remained and the engines on Siche? And no matter how many have been shouting for a year now, in Russia neither remotorization nor certification has been introduced, like trends for the 124th. So the article is the delirium of an inflamed brain of potsrieta in "righteous anger" ala anal cut and everything was gone. No - someone could raise the dough in his pocket, but in general, the purchase of 747 by a very specific and successful carrier is understandable.
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 13 July 2016 09: 56 New
            +2
            And it’s more economical.

            Although, about the demand, the author asked a fairly correct question. Today, in view of the rapid development of passenger traffic, the additional, commercial load of passenger aircraft outweighs special transporters with pallets. The main, non-urgent transportations go exactly to the load on passengers.

            And, the question of how to load the Boeing is quite relevant, even for any DHL.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 13 July 2016 10: 04 New
            +2
            And the author is silent about the fact that since 2004 AirBridgeCargo has operated only Boeings.
          3. Al1977
            Al1977 13 July 2016 11: 04 New
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            Quote: avt
            So the article is a delirium of an inflamed brain of potsrieta in "righteous anger" ala anal cut and everything was gone.

            Perhaps the matter is "thinner" here. There have already been several articles on this topic.
            And as they say, if I don’t understand something, it means money is the matter, if I do not understand it at all, it means big money.
            The Author has an order for an article, so this company has crossed the road to someone and it must be checked for "patriotism". And this site will create the right "public opinion". For a long time I don't believe in articles just from idiots. Nope, "if the stars are lit, then someone needs it .."))
            1. avt
              avt 13 July 2016 11: 59 New
              0
              Quote: Al1977
              For a long time I do not believe in articles just from idiots.

              Well, here you are not quite right. There are quite enough geniuses who do not want to, well, in view of sincere belief in their own congeniality, at least to know at least something specific in terms of the topic they describe, well, just work as a search engine. This opus is very similar to this.
      2. avt
        avt 13 July 2016 08: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: Very old
        And they are not interested in Russian production

        But do not enlighten - what is the alternative to domestic production ??? Super budget? Well, even if you inflate it to the size of the 747th, it will not raise the drain.
        Quote: Very old
        Antey - Russian brains, if you are interested
        And there are areas and opportunities

        laughing Well, now it’s clear, but this is another story, it is a matter of education and knowledge in comparison of the performance characteristics of aircraft. To begin with, but already about
        Quote: Very old
        And there are areas and opportunities

        about what, where and who has it.
    3. Pavel1
      Pavel1 13 July 2016 08: 11 New
      +4
      oligarchic capitalism does not contribute to the development of its own production, only its own pocket was full, and the rest of the grass did not grow, maybe the first persons of the country will still attend to this treacherous situation?
      1. archipelaggulag
        archipelaggulag 13 July 2016 08: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Paul1
        maybe the first persons of the country are still concerned about this treacherous situation?

        Driving on Mercedes, Audi and BMW? You can rest assured.
      2. Al1977
        Al1977 13 July 2016 11: 06 New
        0
        Quote: Paul1
        oligarchic capitalism does not contribute to the development of its own production, only its own pocket was full, and the rest of the grass did not grow, maybe the first persons of the country will still attend to this treacherous situation?

        Waiting ... oh sorry, liberalists are to blame for everything!
        Stalin is not on you, damned capitalists !!!
        (dusted off a training manual from the USSR))))))
        1. Pavel1
          Pavel1 13 July 2016 12: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Al1977
          Waiting ... oh sorry, liberalists are to blame for everything!


          how did you manage to write zhi_dy on my top only through the dash?
    4. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 13 July 2016 08: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      we support the "domestic" manufacturer ...

      And what can a domestic manufacturer now offer in the category of over one hundred tons?
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 13 July 2016 08: 40 New
        +5
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        And what can a domestic manufacturer now offer in the category of over one hundred tons?

        Train or boat.
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 13 July 2016 11: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Gray Brother
          Train or boat.



          Hmm ... There are no less problems with the construction of civilian "steamers" than with the construction of modern air transporters ... Unfortunately ...
      2. avt
        avt 13 July 2016 09: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        And what can a domestic manufacturer now offer in the category of over one hundred tons?

        GSS super budget wassat or
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Train or boat.
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 13 July 2016 10: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        we support the "domestic" manufacturer ...

        And what can a domestic manufacturer now offer in the category of over one hundred tons?

        if nothing is done, then we will continue to depend on foreigners, for Russia this is a shame.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 13 July 2016 11: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          if nothing is done, then we will continue to depend on foreigners, for Russia this is a shame.

          A good example from Irkut on MS-21, created, conducted a presentation, there are orders.
          And where is the transport? "Volga-Dnepr" 10 years to wait when what will be offered? I have not even heard of the project over 100 tons.
          "Ruslan" no one will do as long as the Jewish kaganate rules in Ukraine.
          1. avt
            avt 13 July 2016 12: 06 New
            0
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            A good example from Irkut on MS-21, created, conducted a presentation, there are orders.

            On orders solid enlighten do not want the mass ??? Well, in terms of the next seizure of the "market segment"? wassat That's about the fact that Iran bought 737MAX pieces of 30 pieces in Farnborough and ordered another 20 options, I heard.
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 14 July 2016 11: 39 New
              0
              Quote: avt
              On orders to enlighten solid do not want mass ???

              And what to shine in the public domain after all.
              PJSC Irkut Corporation has formed a starting portfolio of firm orders for 175 MS-21 aircraft. Advances have been received on firm contracts. The first aircraft operators will be the airlines of the Aeroflot group, says the materials for the presentation of the MC-21 short-medium-haul aircraft.

              This is from the official site of "Irkut"
              Quote: avt
              That's about the fact that Iran bought 737MAX pieces of 30 pieces in Farnborough and ordered another 20 options, I heard.

              So what? There is nothing like that in this portfolio since Iran needs aircraft today and not in 2020, of course they could sell Tu-204 to Iran, but for the KLA, seeing this plane is not a priority.
              1. avt
                avt 14 July 2016 12: 10 New
                +1
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                So what?

                And then - MS-21, as the SSI wrote on the site, is five years late. An objective reality given in the sense of the purchase of competitors, which are already mass-produced in the notorious segment from Boeing and Airbus from China to Iran and other Arabs.
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                ... The first aircraft operators will be the airlines of the Aeroflot group, says the materials for the presentation of the MC-21 short-medium-haul aircraft.

                Who would doubt it, especially after Slyusar's demand for state support for the financial project. That is, again, a version of the GSS in the form of a "commercially successful project" is being drawn to itself. Well, to give it credit, the Russian companies MS-21 are waiting, the same Redwings who merged the Superbudgets and grabbed Tu, maybe really funnier at least in Russia will go and not as frankly and brazenly as the SCAC, the budget will be milked.
                1. saturn.mmm
                  saturn.mmm 15 July 2016 10: 51 New
                  0
                  Quote: avt
                  Who would doubt it, especially after Slyusar's demand for state support for a financial project

                  But how could it be otherwise, the Americans are also promoting their aviation industry, I generally mean that in terms of passenger work, and that is, with the cargo category over 100 tons empty, there are no proposals even in the future, there were plans for Ruslan, but Ukraine waved hand, now you have to start with Ermak, which is still on paper and up to 100 tons, so the domestic industry has nothing to offer Volga-Dnepr even in the long term.
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 July 2016 10: 00 New
      +3
      Unfortunately, we do not yet have the production of the aircraft with the required carrying capacity - the An 124 will not be produced anymore, and the Il 96-400 two planes a year is barely barely, so alas, there is nothing to support.
      1. Very old
        Very old 13 July 2016 10: 52 New
        0
        And what?
        - to hell with us there is some kind of aircraft industry there, were and will be a raw pit
        -It suits you?

        Ulyanovsk is not loaded. Saratov ... it's Dresden after the bombing

        Documentation? Where did she go?
        1. Very old
          Very old 13 July 2016 13: 54 New
          -1
          Someone is happy
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 July 2016 15: 12 New
          0
          The Saratov plant is no longer there, and a new heavy military-technical cooperation is good if it takes off in 10 years.
        3. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 14 July 2016 11: 43 New
          0
          Quote: Very old
          Saratov ... this is Dresden after the bombing

          It’s time to forget about Saratov, it’s like they divided the territory under the city’s development.
          Quote: Very old
          Documentation? Where did she go?

          Lost, and those who created died.
      2. avt
        avt 13 July 2016 13: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        Unfortunately, we do not yet have the production of the aircraft of the required carrying capacity.

        request Well, yes, we are waiting for something, "Ermak".
        Quote: Vadim237
        and IL 96- 400 two planes a year - barely barely, so alas, there is nothing to support

        out of touch and ......
        News
        Russian-Chinese wide-body aircraft will be assembled in China

        July 12, 2016 ATO.ru
        Russian-Chinese wide-body aircraft will be assembled in China
        SHFMS will be able to carry up to 280 passengers at a distance of 12000 km :: UACTags: News, Industry, Development, United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), COMAC
        A promising wide-body long-range aircraft (SHFMS), which is jointly developed by the Russian United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) and the Chinese corporation COMAC, will be assembled in Shanghai, China. On July 12 at the Farnborough 2016 air show, UAC President Yuri Slyusar said.
        wassat request
  2. Teberii
    Teberii 13 July 2016 04: 25 New
    0
    Operation cooperation, someone clearly wants to earn left.
  3. alicante11
    alicante11 13 July 2016 05: 05 New
    -1
    IMHO, alarms are not the case. If the situation with the a / c gets out of the control of its management, it will go bankrupt and the planes will be bought from the budget. Or they will give money to "save the company". So, in reality, the Russian Air Force receives 20 large-tonnage cargo carriers. What our enterprises cannot guarantee. Moreover, their maintenance and loading with civil orders for partial compensation of costs are really guaranteed. At the same time, the top management of the campaign is not at a loss, they are guaranteed budgetary cover and now they can play weird (and steal) as much as they want. In general, everyone, except for the ns, that is, the taxpayers, benefits. But, as usual, no one asks us.
    1. FID
      FID 13 July 2016 08: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: alicante11
      So in reality, the Russian Air Force receive 20 large-tonnage

      The army uses the technique of a probable "friend" ??? Have you thought before writing? And the repair? Or will we get a pile of iron overnight instead of large-tonnage carriers?
      1. avt
        avt 13 July 2016 09: 17 New
        +6
        Quote: SSI
        The army uses the technique of a probable "friend" ??? Have you thought before writing? And the repair?

        And then I don’t care to sit and think about the question - Since when did Volga-Dnepr become a military unit? laughing Well, what’s the difference between an airplane converted from a passenger for transportation of standard aviation containers for international transport and an airborne ramp - a whole unrecognizable theory of probability from Einstein. Well, in fact - having removed your head and eliminated the serial production of IL-96, you don’t cry through your hair, about purchases 747 request
      2. Al1977
        Al1977 13 July 2016 10: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: SSI
        The army uses the technique of a probable "friend" ???

        I also did not understand, but where does infa come from that the army is buying American planes?
      3. alicante11
        alicante11 13 July 2016 11: 20 New
        -2
        The army uses the technique of a probable "friend" ??? Have you thought before writing? And the repair? Or will we get a pile of iron overnight instead of large-tonnage carriers?


        Do you think these transport workers will live long in the case of b / d? Here they will be the first to go to slaughter in order to save their own. And before the hostilities they will live normally for the reasons indicated by me and in the article.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 July 2016 10: 07 New
      -2
      This company will not go bankrupt - believe me - there are not any prerequisites.
      1. FID
        FID 13 July 2016 10: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        This company will not go bankrupt - believe me - there are not any prerequisites.

        There was a / c "Flight" ..., a / c "Transaero" ... And no prerequisites, believe me.
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 13 July 2016 11: 30 New
          0
          Quote: SSI
          There was a / c "Flight" ..., a / c "Transaero" ... And no prerequisites, believe me.

          Became "Victory" and "Russia". With the same planes.
          As for Transaero, just because you are off topic does not mean that there were no prerequisites. There was talk about the crisis, well, at least 3 years ... At specialized forums and magazines, at VO, of course.
          1. FID
            FID 13 July 2016 12: 09 New
            +2
            Quote: Al1977
            As for Transaero, just because you are off topic does not mean that there were no prerequisites.

            Sorry, maybe you are not in the subject? I’ve been in aviation for more than 30 years ... If the state did not want to leave one yeroflot, then trances would fly, despite the adventurous policy ...
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 July 2016 15: 21 New
          0
          These are civilian airlines, and the Volga Dnepr cargo - it’s much more profitable to do this than with passenger transportation, especially since the already extensive client base and the ban on civilian flights to different countries do not concern them.
          1. FID
            FID 13 July 2016 15: 51 New
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            These are civilian airlines, and the Volga Dnepr is cargo

            You are my connoisseur ... The Polet a / c operated 4 Il-96-400s and 3 Ruslans - they transported passengers in containers, obviously ... Ruslans were taken for debts, and VIP boards were made of cargoes ...
    3. Al1977
      Al1977 13 July 2016 10: 59 New
      -4
      Quote: alicante11
      But no one asks us, as usual

      This is not true. You are asked in the election. AND YOU, YOU personally make this choice. Who voted for the presidential? Has your president passed? And in the Duma? Is your party in the Duma?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 13 July 2016 11: 23 New
        -2
        This is not true. You are asked in the election. AND YOU, YOU personally make this choice.


        Are you sho? Are you so naive that you believe in "clean elections"? Excuse me, how old are you?

        Who voted for the presidential? Has your president passed? And in the Duma? Is your party in the Duma?


        I do not vote in the 96 year. After re-elected EBNya I went to the polls.
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 13 July 2016 11: 29 New
          0
          Quote: alicante11
          Are you sho? Are you so naive that you believe in "clean elections"? Excuse me, how old are you?

          Yes, I believe that most of the population voted for Putin. You are not?
          I do not vote in the 96 year. After re-elected EBNya I went to the polls.

          This does not mean that you are not asked.
          I am not talking about the quality of the election. I answer you that they do not ask you.
          If you think that the election was not fair and Zhirinovsky won by gaining 80% ... then you are naive.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 13 July 2016 15: 37 New
            -1
            Yes, I believe that most of the population voted for Putin. You are not?


            For GDP - yes. But for EDRo - no. But I believe that GDP does not reflect the interests of the people. But the interests of the oligarchs and they are only at some current moment parallel to the popular. Therefore, I did not vote for GDP either.

            I am not talking about the quality of the election. I answer you that they do not ask you.


            And I'm talking about quality - because, first of all, we have no alternative. Both Zhirinovsky and Zyuganov are dummy candidates who don't even think about winning. And in the parliamentary elections, EDRo achieves victory at the expense of administrative resources and fraud. And where is "I am asked" here?

            If you think that the election was not fair and Zhirinovsky won by gaining 80% ... then you are naive.


            There is an opinion that "Uncle Zyu" won by a small margin. But they promised to remind him of the 93rd year. And he quickly faded back into the "opposition". And now he is, in general, a tame politician of the Russian elites.
            But even if the counting was crystal-clear, the dirty technologies of elections - from "boxes from copiers" to the fact that Zyuganov was not visible at all on the screen, make the elections completely unfair.
  4. Sergey333
    Sergey333 13 July 2016 05: 11 New
    +3
    The deal is risky, but at least they look to the future. A commercial company should not bother with the development of new aircraft or structural modifications of old ones. Serial cargo aircraft, analogues to these Boeings in Russia do not exist. Remotorization of the An-124 The Russian authorities are not going to do it, they only scratch their tongue, and after a short time these Anes will become a dead weight - the authorities themselves will prohibit their operation, so why do we scold this company for its attempt to secure a future for itself?
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  5. leo1542
    leo1542 13 July 2016 05: 12 New
    +4
    It is strange that in the USA criminal cases were opened against the company in order to promote its aviation equipment and thereby achieve the goal of bankruptcy. The main goal is not even that. In view of the impending threat of the NATO bloc’s attack on Russia, its main task is to forge a lightning fast retaliatory strike by Russia on the transfer of troops and heavy military equipment, and for this it is necessary to confiscate Ruslans in advance, which NATO, headed by the United States, seeks to ways. For all these bribe takers since 2007, it was high time to start criminal cases in connection with undermining and weakening the defense capability of our Motherland.
  6. gavrosh.ru
    gavrosh.ru 13 July 2016 05: 28 New
    +6
    It’s exactly a muddy scheme - the article on the forum was that we provide them with transport aviation in Afghanistan and Iraq - although they definitely have more aircraft and we have production capacity - but we don’t have any and whether they will. I wonder how much time build silt 76 now? What about Boeing? although maybe the Americans themselves simply do not want to fly to the war, but ours have decided to free strategists for future ones. needs your planes? but he’ll poke himself up at the exhibition with the largest planes and ask the wrong planes — it’s unlikely they came up with it — it means so ordered. fill the world with our planes?)

    BUT after first strangling Avianova, then transaero, and the current interviews about the fact that cheap ticket prices led to losses this year and we should carefully weigh everything, it takes evil. what the fuck are cheap flights? fierce Aeroflot even doubles the price with a date for tomorrow for 2 miles (they couldn’t explain how this is possible) and a funny low-cost victory is just a mockery of low-cost (Kaliningrad - Moscow if you are lucky to buy a ticket for 25 euros in a month standing and without luggage, and later - almost like an aeroflot) in Europe you can fly for the money you can go on and on. moreover, they still vote that their main income when flying abroad - in general, a ticket from St. Petersburg to Perm in 2009 cost almost twice as much as from Perm to Hamburg and vice versa.
    and all this despite the fact that trains are also expensive right now (such as competitors to airplanes for citizens)
    in general, there is only one trend - apparently guessed that we will not pay taxes and we need to stupidly through gasoline - vodka cigarettes - communal flat-rates-tickets - to pay tribute to the population. as in the best houses of Paris and London.
  7. firefighter
    firefighter 13 July 2016 05: 32 New
    -1
    Chet, I do not understand? politics or another dough cut? enlighten the dark
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 July 2016 07: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: fire nick
      Chet, I do not understand? politics or another dough cut? enlighten the dark

      Neither one nor the other, the author described the situation as he sees it, without really knowing anything about it. No one will give Ruslana MO to anyone, this is from the realm of fiction, and the purchase of 747 is probably necessary because it would replace Ruslana. And Ruslana themselves go to the VKS staff.
      Thus, everyone will be satisfied. The Americans are happy, we are happy, and only in Ukraine will there be another hail.
      1. quote
        quote 13 July 2016 07: 48 New
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Neither one nor the other, the author described the situation as he sees it, without really knowing anything about it.

        It seems like that. I already wrote on this topic, I repeat:
        To discharge.
        The company was founded in 2004. The first transportation under the AirBridgeCargo brand took place in May of the same year on the Boeing 747. This event was preceded by two years of preparatory work, including the development of a development strategy for the project of regular cargo transportation in within the Volga-Dnepr Group of Companies, fleet configuration, selection and training of flight personnel, as well as the formation of a management team. Today AirBridgeCargo provides regular flights between Europe and Asia via the Trans-Siberian route. Flights are operated on Boeing 747 family airplanes. It is noteworthy that AirBridgeCargo became the first Russian cargo airline to operate this type of aircraft.

        The AirBridgeCargo delivery network includes, in addition to its own routes, regular flights of interline partners (NCA, Air Canada, Emirates, Cargolux and others), as well as extensive truck delivery capabilities.

        The airline was repeatedly recognized as the best freight carrier at Frankfurt Airport (2009, 2010, 2011), and was also awarded with such awards as: Schiphol Aviation Awards (2012), Wings of Russia (2009, 2010, 2011), Golden Chariot "(2011).

        The average age of the fleet is 7,0 years. Consists of 17 aircraft [1]:

        1 Boeing 737-400F
        3 Boeing 747-400F,
        5 Boeing 747-400ERF,
        8 Boeing 747-8F,

        And what does the Ruslana have to do with it?
        1. 76SSSR
          76SSSR 13 July 2016 12: 03 New
          0
          Quote: devis
          And what does the Ruslana have to do with it?

          12 Ruslans from Volga-Dnepr (data from their official website).
  8. Bramb
    Bramb 13 July 2016 05: 50 New
    +5
    I don’t see anything muddy.
    Ours now cannot offer an alternative, whatever you say. Yes, there are analogues, and even better. Yes, no one argues. But the testicle is expensive for a bright day. Will our design bureaus be able to make similar planes at the right time with the right parameters? Something did not see the words of our designers. And this is the first thing that needed to be done, and not to search for cutaway drawings.
    Plus, loans in the west are now zero. Zero !!! And try to buy our planes by taking a loan from our bank (Western ones will not give us money) - what will be the economic calculation? -twenty%? Or is everything -20% adjusted for time? We multiply 25 yards by a quarter - we get 4 billion dollars in losses !!!
    Well, now you want to support our manufacturer?
    That's the whole article of the same level: with two lines all the show-offs are removed immediately. Work better! And do not whine as an author who can’t even count the economy, but climbs to write about it.
  9. PKK
    PKK 13 July 2016 05: 52 New
    -3
    Our thieving t ... you shit here too. Because of their greed and venality, they drove Oboronexport under the cap of the Americans and now work for the USA like Papa Carlo. Again, these Kuznetsovs are somehow unworthy to work on "planes" in the Kolyma mine. and they don't blow into the tube. Keep up the good work, feed the foe.
  10. bald
    bald 13 July 2016 06: 23 New
    +2
    Everything is in sight! We openly sell mother for grandmother. We remain hostages for decades. Who benefits? -RUSSIA-I personally do not. Even if there is some kind of left-wing subset of this transaction, it is not worth it. Everyone understands everything. Well this is political chaos, not to mention morality. In RUSSIA, they do not belong.
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 13 July 2016 10: 00 New
      0
      Quote: bald
      Everything is in sight! We openly sell mother for grandmother. We remain hostages for decades. Who benefits? -RUSSIA-I personally do not. Even if there is some kind of left-wing subset of this transaction, it is not worth it. Everyone understands everything. Well this is political chaos, not to mention morality. In RUSSIA, they do not belong.

      Exactly!
      The liberals are to blame for everything!
      Stalin is not for you !!!
      Here he is grinning at capitalism, they will sell their mother for a penny !!!!
      Spiritual bonds are torn!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 July 2016 10: 10 New
      0
      This deal will not hurt you at all, as this is the business of a private company.
  11. Bramb
    Bramb 13 July 2016 06: 24 New
    +4
    And one more thing, in addition to the economy, in support of the domestic consumer (NOT a producer!).
    Now, during the period of sanctions, many of our people work tirelessly: factories are designed, built in batches! This is a gratifying fact. But there are some of our manufacturers who stupidly sit on the fifth point and raise prices: "but where are you going? Buy anyway!" I saw such people among the peasants too (why did the prices rise? Do you think they care about you?))).
    I believe that some of our airlines behave similarly. Therefore, I would like to hear aircraft manufacturers: they say, they turned to us, we offered the best (worst or other) conditions. The advance payment is not 100%, but 30%, the rest - then, etc. Compare competitive offers to. And then they are not in the article from the word at all! To analyze the situation, you need to listen to at least TWO sides, and not one with the plane in the context.
    Therefore, this is not an article, but an article. Perhaps even custom-made. For what a minus.
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 13 July 2016 10: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Bramb
      Now, during the period of sanctions, many of our people work tirelessly: factories are designed, built in batches! This fact is encouraging.

      Good afternoon, Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev.
  12. asiat_61
    asiat_61 13 July 2016 06: 31 New
    0
    In my opinion, everything is very clear. The AK cannot pay its creditors. In retaliation, the Americans take away EVERYTHING! The Russian Army loses a large part of the transport aviation. Just as they forced the AK to buy Watermelons, this is a different matter. The development of our transport aviation has also broken feathers.
    1. asiat_61
      asiat_61 13 July 2016 08: 03 New
      0
      I apologize, I meant the Boeing, but the essence of the matter does not change.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 July 2016 10: 13 New
      +1
      You first find out if Volga Dnepr has loans.
  13. Xmyp
    Xmyp 13 July 2016 06: 51 New
    +3
    "Doesn't the deal pose a threat to Russia's national security under these conditions?"
    It is too late to ask such questions when almost all production is in private hands, and state money is stored abroad.
  14. guzik007
    guzik007 13 July 2016 07: 27 New
    +1
    Transactions of this level, especially regarding the country's defense, should be a priori authorized in the Kremlin! Learn from the Americans. And they don’t care if it is a private company, or, especially, a state one.
  15. drop
    drop 13 July 2016 08: 33 New
    +1
    It is risky and criminal to conclude such contracts. Remember the bankruptcy of Trasaero. For the economic security of the Russian Federation, it is necessary to develop soy aviation and ensure transportation on the IL-76. I have the honor.
    1. avt
      avt 13 July 2016 09: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Drop
      For the economic security of the Russian Federation, it is necessary to develop soybean aviation and ensure transportation by IL-76.

      wassat Yes yo-yo-yo! Well, read something else on the issue of international, civil air transportation, and then write out the recipes to whom what IL -76 to take! fool Well got already with this nonsense! Is it really stupid too lazy to search and find that the analogue of the Russian MUST BE OR -96 !!!!!!
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 13 July 2016 10: 05 New
      +3
      And who will pay the difference for IL? He eats more, carries pallets more than half as much in weight (and without re-equipment for loading / loading pallets, which excludes the transportation of bulky goods - he generally takes a little in volume).

      How it works? Do you order something on Alibaba / Ibei, etc. (roughly) - then comes the logistics operation for transportation to the nearest departure terminal. In it, your order is packed in pallet No. 756, under ID 2390230503 - and they are all loaded onto the plane, next to another 1000 pallets. They are being taken to the junction terminal, and from there to you.

      Is the meaning of the IL-76 here?

      Another question is whether there is an economic justification, simply, now the giants of the market, like DHL, are experiencing problems with the load of their own fleet. Because a large part of the pallets was bitten off by passenger planes that take on a commercial load, and taking into account the number of flights, now in general loading of specialized cargo sides has decreased, and routes where you can load / unload 747 and make money are few. 737 still live.
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 13 July 2016 10: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Drop
      To conclude such agreements is risky and criminal

      we have a lot of criminal Yuri Grigorievich, oligarchic system ... after the "arrival" of the graduates of the well-known office on the "gelik", I felt somehow melancholy, something broke off in my soul. the light at the end of the tunnel turns into the headlights of an oncoming train ...
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 13 July 2016 12: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        after the "arrival" of the graduates of the well-known office on the "Geliki", I it became somehow dreary, something broke in the soul. the light at the end of the tunnel turns into the headlights of an oncoming train.



        How poetic it turned out ... It’s the same for me ... And not because of the Boeing ...
    4. Al1977
      Al1977 13 July 2016 10: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: Drop
      It is risky and criminal to conclude such contracts. Remember the bankruptcy of Trasaero.

      What was your line of deep analytical conclusion? Who has 747 - wait for bankruptcy?
      People’s sign?
  16. sergv
    sergv 13 July 2016 09: 46 New
    -1
    Well, if you can’t print your money without the Fed, then why be surprised? everything is under the control of the world behind the scenes, which needs just such a deal with Boeing ....
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 July 2016 10: 17 New
      +2
      This is a guideline for a private company that needs airplanes today — they won’t wait for their own — for too long.
    2. Al1977
      Al1977 13 July 2016 11: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: sergv
      Well, if you can’t print your money without the go-ahead of the Fed

      Are you serious about this?
  17. Al1977
    Al1977 13 July 2016 10: 49 New
    +1
    If you started writing articles here, then everything is fine with the guys and some FSBers decided to grab a successful business.
    Well done, they will bring to Russia excellent aircraft.
    And urya-patriots .. read Pushkin, nothing has changed: "They consumed kvass like air .." (Onegin)
  18. rennim
    rennim 13 July 2016 12: 57 New
    0
    This is a private company. They do what they want if the means allow. The state itself makes privatization and "successfully" sells lucrative sweet assets, incl. AN-124. Questions are not for the company ... for the state.
  19. Trophxnumx
    Trophxnumx 13 July 2016 13: 59 New
    +1
    The USA is our most dangerous potential enemy-partner, and if this is not clear for you "comrades", what does life mean, unfortunately, has not taught you anything. Your ancestors sold the USSR and destroyed it, your sons and brothers and uncles and aunts "drank and sold" the USSR for American jeans and used cars, and this shame continues to this day when you hear about such deals. Instead of developing their aircraft construction, Russian "dermocrat capitalists" are ready to finance the enemy's industry, well, stupid people are corrupt, how can the United States respect you for coloars after such deals if you don't respect yourself.
    Not a single country in the world will arm its enemy or finance his economy, especially if the enemy tried to do so much in his time to destroy your economy, your economy and heavy industry, and now be with you in a state of economic war ... a war has been declared, economic, and the real one may not be conspiring ... any day you can be declared a "hot" war ... and you "manage" to approve such deals here ... shame and disgrace, such thinkers and their descendants do not have the future, they will become vassals of the United States and all sorts of bullies. A man in the first place should be a man of principle, not only economy. And if you "dig" deeper, you can easily find that in the 90s this "glorious bunch" Dnepr_Volga, completely bought up these Ruslans AN-124 on the "cheap", and thus earned capital, these aircraft were the property of the people, which these deletants snatched a cheap price, not otherwise. And it's time for them to learn the rules of common sense ... Learn in the end from your enemies, .. even if it is not profitable for them, they all the same continue to make deals only with "theirs" ... only a stupid cattle does not care, he does not care if only money more and faster. And mu had already thought that the 90s were left behind.
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 13 July 2016 14: 04 New
      0
      Quote: TROF777
      Instead of developing their aircraft construction, Russian "dermocrat capitalists" are ready to finance the enemy's industry, well, stupid people are corrupt, how can the United States respect you for coloars after such deals if you don't respect yourself.

      Excuse me, I re-read your post twice, maybe I didn’t notice .. what plane do you offer to buy ABC? You, as a person well versed in economics, air business, geopolitics, psychology, rhetoric and history, could offer them a worthy option based on spiritual bonds, the Russian spirit, as well as Russia's strategic interests in protecting its sovereignty and uniting Russian people in all parts of the world.
      Also, please note that it is not permissible to fly on aircraft built by geeks from Bandera !!!
      This whole mess, this is obvious to any Russian person, because of the liberals. If there was Stalin, this was not !!!
  20. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 13 July 2016 14: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: Paul1
    oligarchic capitalism

    Look, as they say, "shirshe". We are no longer capitalism for the oligarchs. Our production, headed by a "cast in granite", leads the country to neo-feudalism!All that remains is to cancel pensions, otherwise Shuvalov still needs to buy 7 apartments in a house on Kotelnicheskaya! Would the "patriot" Shuvalov, instead of apartments, support domestic aircraft manufacturers in Samara and Smolensk?
    1. Very old
      Very old 13 July 2016 18: 48 New
      0
      A quartera closer to the body wassat
  21. Zomanus
    Zomanus 13 July 2016 23: 41 New
    0
    The freight company is expanding its fleet of vehicles.
    What is this here? Maybe they have projects for this
    There is transport, but we do not know this.