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Dry cargo ship "Goodbye Montana"

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The United States does not stop the fact that, according to a well-known statement of Khrushchev, "Europe, as a match, will burn in the first five minutes of a nuclear war." The main military strategic task of Washington in the 21st century - the construction of a layered global missile defense system - should be basically solved by the beginning of the 2030s.


If Ukraine joins NATO by then, the heavy armament of the alliance can be located in 400 kilometers from the capital of our Motherland. At the same time, it is likely that missile defense facilities will be located there, negotiations on this account have been under way since 2007.

Around the middle, at the latest at the end of 2030, the still only superpower, gradually but steadily losing its power, may, trying to regain world domination, deliver the first disarming strike to our strategic nuclear forces primarily from Europe. And then try to level the retaliatory strike by means of a global missile defense system.

Our strategy to prevent such a situation now comes down to the fact that in the event of a global confrontation, in addition to exchanging blows from the strategic nuclear forces, we get involved in a war in a European theater, without any further threat to the United States.

Eight or ten SSBNs that are now being commissioned can be destroyed by a sophisticated PLO (anti-submarine defense) of a potential enemy, the strategic bombers Tu-95 and Tu-160 must be constantly kept in the air off the coast of the United States, which is extremely expensive and practically unrealistic. The ocean fleet, which could be there the whole year round, has not been created yet, our naval bases in the American part of the world are absent.

The usual build-up of strategic nuclear forces, standard weapons, even the most advanced ones like the “Status-6” (more in detail, “Necessary and sufficient”) does not completely prevent the danger. First, the United States will have analogues. Secondly, the Europe under their control will still host dual-use missile defense systems. The first signs of this policy are the operational missile defense areas in Romania and Poland.

Exotic Scenarios - Using Climate and Geophysical weapons type of volcanic eruption in the Yellowstone Reserve, underwater explosions in areas of oceanic faults along the shores of North America (“Nuclear Special Forces”) - too adventurous, and most importantly - unpredictable in consequences. In the light of recent events in Syria, where the Western community simply puts wands at us, covering the treachery of the Turks and imitating the fight against the IS prohibited in Russia, it can be stated that the military-political power of the Russian Federation is clearly not enough to force the US to stop its subversive activities to change undesirable for them regimes, the seizure of natural resources and the deployment of global missile defense elements in Europe.

Caribbean precedent

We need, without getting involved in the European confrontation and the disastrous new arms race for the country, to find an inexpensive but effective way of influencing the consciousness of the American nation itself rather than the overseas leadership.

Dry cargo ship "Goodbye Montana"


It should be noted that in the historical confrontation between the two superpowers in the second half of the twentieth century there was a precedent when, with some adventurous policies of the Soviet leadership, the problem of deploying US nuclear missiles in Europe was still solved. This is the Caribbean crisis. When the USSR attempted to deploy nuclear missiles in Cuba, panic arose among the population of the southern states of the United States, and the American leadership was forced to negotiate with our country and remove nuclear missiles from Europe and Turkey.

After more than 50 years of the Russian Federation, it is necessary to solve a similar problem again. The Caribbean crisis revealed one feature of the US, let's call it demogeographic: more than 75 percent of their population lives in the 500-mile proximity to the ocean coastline with a total length of about ten thousand kilometers. The main production facilities, political and intellectual centers and the corresponding infrastructure are also located there. And if the Russian Federation, in response to threats of deploying near and medium-range nuclear missiles in Europe under the cover of missile defense elements, can demonstrate the ability to deploy such weapons near the US ocean coast, then a crisis situation is unlikely to arise at all.

The current geopolitical position of Russia will most likely not allow for the prompt deployment of nuclear missiles in friendly countries of Central and Latin America, as opposed to the United States. Even if we create that in the near future is extremely problematic, the ocean navy, its connections without air cover, cannot threaten the American coast. The construction of full-fledged aircraft carriers, about which the controversy has been going on for the last decade, will drag on indefinitely and simply destroy the country history creation and combat use of the French atomic aircraft carrier "Charles de Gaulle").

But there is a solution. It consists in the creation of a new type of naval armaments to which the main probable enemy cannot threaten us due to the disparate demogeographic features. The bulk of the population, production facilities, political and intellectual centers of the Russian Federation are located in the depths of the Eurasian subcontinent, and the entry of NATO aircraft-carrying strike groups into the Black, Baltic and Barents Seas will be easily parried by the Russian Armed Forces. The coast of the Far East and the Arctic Ocean is inhabited only slightly. We are talking about super-heavy ekranoplans of dual use: aircraft carriers and multifunctional combat vehicles or on the same transport platform with one hundred percent mobilization resource.

324 knot on the Northern Sea Route

A specific study of the possibility of implementing quite complex, but completely solvable, technical problems for the construction of such weapons was carried out back in the 60s. This is the topic of ENBS (WIG - carriers of the group of combat aircraft), which was worked out in the Rostislav Alekseev design bureau. Around the same time, Robert Bartini put forward the theory of intercontinental land transport, which proved the cost-effectiveness of ultra-long intercontinental sea transportation with ekranoplans, proposed the aircraft-carrying VTOL-2500, tested two types of mock-ups and built an experimental sample of VVA-14.

Our engineering community made a study, taking into account modern advances in the field of theater, structural materials, transport NPIs, etc., of an ekranoplans of the largest theoretically possible carrying capacity. We are ready to provide a technical rationale for such a multi-functional platform (application number 20161105207). In connection with dual assignment - both military, including with the possibility of launching ICBMs from anywhere in the oceans, and civilian, for example, to put into orbit blocks for interplanetary expeditions weighing up to 200 tons from the equator, and with possible cooperation with China countries concerned, the total cost of creating and operating such a system would not be an unbearable burden for the national budget.

The civilian version of ekranoplans is supposed to be used primarily on the lines of Southeast Asia - Europe through the Northern Sea Route, in which China and European countries are primarily interested in increasing the traffic flow. Calculations show that for the transportation of 50 million tons of cargo, and the need for such volumes is projected by the 2020 year, the Murmansk-Shanghai line will require 90 – 100 of UL class vessels with a deadweight of 65 thousand tons. At the same time, the transition by the Northern Sea Route with the average speed of the 13,4 node will take about 23 days. For the transportation of the same volume of cargo by heavy ground-surface wig 10 thousands of tons with a speed of 324 node (600 km / h) will require no more than 18 – 20 units, and the transition time will not exceed 24 hours. It should be noted that the potential cargo traffic on this route - more than 650 million tons, now passes through the Suez Canal.

Sea walks with rockets

One of the main common design decisions is the use of specialized cargo spaces of the same type inside the center-section of an ekranoplana platform, equipped with several loading and unloading systems. In the military version there can be airplanes, various combat systems, in the civilian - standard sea containers and other cargoes, including dimensional ones. At the same time, they will be able to automatically move around the decks and holds, descend into the center section and move up.

In the event of a threatened situation deemed critical for the emergence of a nuclear standoff, both combat and transport W / O screens armed with TNW (this does not violate any agreements on limiting strategic nuclear forces) can be deployed to the shores of the main potential enemy in a few hours, which will prevent any snatch.

Calculations show that in peacetime near the coast of the United States, it is necessary to keep from two to six groups of super-heavy ENBS, each consisting of two - four winged screens with different combat functionality, from anti-submarine to anti-missile, and the total number of combat aircraft to 80 units. The main task of these groups is to neutralize the SNF located in three US states: Montana, Wyoming and North Dakota, as well as the naval base with the SSBNs based on them. In a threatened position, super-heavy ekranoplanes are capable of delivering several thousand Club system containers to the shores of the aggressor within a day and a half.

We are ready to report on the essence of our proposals to the Committee on Defense Issues of the Federation Council, all interested agencies and organizations with preliminary conceptual elaboration by experts invited by them, because we consider it extremely important to strengthen the defense capability of our Motherland primarily in terms of forcing the United States to abandon the deployment of global missile defense in Europe. Civilian use of this transport system will save huge amounts of money, making it possible to abandon the construction of the new Panama Canal, provide year-round “northern delivery”, speedy delivery of Far Eastern fishery products to the European part of the country and much more.
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  1. Krsk
    Krsk 14 July 2016 15: 47
    -20%
    try to level the retaliatory strike with global missile defense. and we put them their level in their opu insert and check a couple of times
    1. Temples
      Temples 14 July 2016 15: 52
      +8
      And then space, space ....
      Missiles, aircraft, VKS

      Here the guys decided everything.
      Money to throw them and that’s all, Kranta America. Let it deflate! laughing

      That there are ekranoplanes, you need to dig a tunnel and basta. wassat
      Just throw some money and that's it.
      For the invention of the intercontinental digger
      Certainly cheaper than sixth generation airplanes to shoot into space! wassat

      We are ready to report on the essence of our proposals. Defense Committee of the Council of the Federation

      Oh how !!! Here is such a committee !!!

      Initiative group to answer questions from the Committee on Defense Issues of the Federation Council!

      Have a question? for a few billion we will give an answer!

      Dry cargo ship "goodbye brain, hello insanity!"
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 14 July 2016 16: 17
        +13
        Quote: Temples
        Dry cargo ship "goodbye brain, hello insanity!"

        These are two bulk carriers, but from one squadron laughing
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 14 July 2016 16: 23
          +15
          WIG is good.
          From the contents of the article I have thoughts about the need to develop this type of weapon, but.

          With all due respect, of course.
          An article from the category - but if Russia had a powerful laser gun with which you can shoot from space, this would help deter the aggressor.

          No brainer that ekranoplana is great. It is clear that having your missile defense is great. It is clear that having from 3 to 6 aircraft carriers is also great - it's all clear. And now let's figure out how much it will be built, and how much it will cost. And who pays at all.
          The author addresses the reader, in this case, to us.

          We are ready to report on the essence of our proposals to the Committee on Defense Issues of the Council of the Federation, all interested departments and organizations with preliminary conceptual elaboration by the experts invited by them

          Are you still here I thought you already reported to the Defense Committee.
          This does not add joy as it still needs to be embodied.
          And so it turns out - the article is a declaration. We can do super-wunderwaffle. Well, we can do a lot. The question is whether we will.

          Super-catamaran (ekranoplan) is no secret for a long time. Back in Soviet times they traveled around. Then they threw it, and then they did not revive the project.
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 14 July 2016 16: 59
            +9
            And I liked the picture, albeit a name with an error;).
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 14 July 2016 20: 07
              +3
              The picture is real, unlike the beginning of some computer games where BMPs and helicopters crawl out of nowhere.
              1. lelikas
                lelikas 14 July 2016 21: 19
                +9
                Quote: Simpsonian
                The picture is real, unlike the beginning of some computer games where BMPs and helicopters crawl out of nowhere.

                So on ships and planes, and even on ekranoplanes :))))
                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 14 July 2016 22: 06
                  +4
                  trans-Atlantic landing is real only on ekranoplans

                  "scarlet sails" at 0:54 pleased
            2. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 14 July 2016 20: 41
              +8
              Quote: lelikas
              And I liked the picture, albeit a name with an error;).
              1. _Vladislav_
                _Vladislav_ 14 July 2016 21: 18
                +2
                It's like to make 4 mistakes in the word Hedgehog - Josh
                1. Rostislav
                  Rostislav 15 July 2016 10: 33
                  0
                  And to make 5 mistakes in a word of 3 letters weakly?
                  1. Ze Kot
                    Ze Kot 16 July 2016 11: 53
                    0
                    Quote: Rostislav
                    And to make 5 mistakes in a word of 3 letters weakly?


                    "is it"?
          2. basal
            basal 14 July 2016 18: 30
            +8
            Support!

            Firstly, the author misses the main element of the nuclear triad - ground ballistic missiles. Formally, they are more vulnerable than aviation and submarines, but this is not so.
            Many years ago, he spoke with a former officer of the Strategic Rocket Forces and made this argument. He laughed.
            I don’t know why I bought it, for that I sold it (not the Motherland))))))

            Actually, according to him, in order to incapacitate a launching mine, a direct hit of a 100-150 ktn warhead is needed. Well, who will wait? A flight time of at least 30 minutes, are we sleeping? it's funny.
            Farther. Children's task. We have a hundred missiles, how to hide them? Just! Dig 500 mines and stuff the blenders there.
            You can invent a lot here, but the principle itself - why invent a winged aircraft with strategic missiles, when there is a BZHRK (revive?), Hypersonic cruise missiles are being developed ???
            Well, an eranoplan will come in handy somewhere))))
            1. SergeBS
              SergeBS 17 July 2016 15: 25
              0
              Quote: basal
              Actually, according to him, in order to incapacitate a launching mine, a direct hit of a 100-150 ktn warhead is needed.

              100 meters. 30 (!) Years ago. Now, according to the media, the protection is enhanced.
          3. avia1991
            avia1991 15 July 2016 00: 48
            +1
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            Then they threw it, and then they did not revive the project.

            Firstly, they didn’t quit, but stopped financing, because other ideas were lobbied, but there was already not enough money for all of them.
            And secondly, now the Ministry of Defense is reviving this project, in the development of several types of combat ekranoplanes, including heavy landing transport, and the carrier of anti-ship missiles.
            1. Zulu_S
              Zulu_S 16 July 2016 02: 31
              -2
              What, money got printed? Enough for now?
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 16 July 2016 02: 40
                +2
                are you dissatisfied with this?
          4. Simple
            Simple 15 July 2016 01: 27
            0
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            From the content of the article I have thoughts about

            I have about the ignorance of the author or "supervisory authority (s)
            courageЬ

            Quote: _Vladislav_
            article declaration.

            typical article for vpk-news.ru
            1. SergeBS
              SergeBS 17 July 2016 15: 28
              0
              Quote: Just
              typical article for vpk-news.ru

              It is also necessary to add - an article from the public, which not only does not know the performance characteristics of outdated systems, but also actively "is not friends" with elementary physics.
          5. user
            user 17 July 2016 13: 33
            0
            but if Russia had a powerful laser gun


            Yes, you don’t need any guns; everything has been invented for a long time, because according to the article:
            more than 75 percent of their population lives in a 500-mile proximity to the ocean coastline with a total length of about ten thousand kilometers.

            it is enough to detonate several nuclear warheads near the coast without entering any missile defense or air defense zone and there will be no one to steal with us, it will wash away everyone (it all depends on the charge power), which

            Eight or ten SSBNs, which are now being put into operation, can be destroyed by the sophisticated anti-submarine defense (antisubmarine defense) of a potential enemy


            so they can shoot from the pier. . .
      2. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 14 July 2016 21: 29
        +4
        "Our strategy ... at present actually boils down to the fact that in the event of a global confrontation, in addition to the exchange of strategic nuclear forces, we get involved in a war in the European theater, no longer threatening the United States."



        Interestingly, the author read this nonsense somewhere or invented it himself? Most likely, for the article is teeming with similar mistakes. Only one ekranoplan all in white, everything else in brown.
        Such thinking is demonstrated either by university teachers or kindergarten teachers. There is nothing to do with real life.
      3. vell.65
        vell.65 15 July 2016 14: 09
        0
        "Where is the money, Zin." hi
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 15 July 2016 17: 34
          +1
          EP, according to the popular expression, in contrast to the plane, "is made of shit and sticks." More precisely, you can do it.
          There is one turboshaft engine on Orlenka, there are four on the Tu-95, from this, by the way, it cuts a muhlezh with the radius / range of this EP, because it is indicated at maximum load
          Lifting capacity can compare ... lol
    2. Vend
      Vend 14 July 2016 15: 53
      +1
      according to the famous statement of Khrushchev, "Europe, like a match, will burn out in the first five minutes of a nuclear war."
      I think Nikita Sergeyevich was mistaken. A nuclear strike on Europe is fraught with consequences for Russia. So there will be a blow, but not a nuclear one, why should the territory be abducted.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 July 2016 15: 54
        -3
        Quote: Wend
        A nuclear strike on Europe is fraught with consequences for Russia.

        Which ones?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 14 July 2016 16: 02
          0
          Europe also has ICBMs with nuclear warheads.
          1. Temples
            Temples 14 July 2016 16: 09
            +10
            Europe also has ICBMs with nuclear warheads.


            Intercontinental ballistic missiles ...

            And on which continent does Europe intercontinental shy away? In the states with grief?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 14 July 2016 17: 40
              +2
              So they are all in submarines - they can fuck at any point in Russia.
            2. Simple
              Simple 15 July 2016 01: 55
              +1
              Quote: Temples
              Intercontinental ballistic missiles ...

              -France also has a tactical: 60 ASMP air-to-ground cruise missiles, which are in service with the Air Force of the Fifth Republic. 10 at the French Navy
              BZ: 150 kilotons or 300 kilotons.
              120 Fighter Rafale. 40 of them are deck based. This is quite enough to service the 90 ASMP-A missiles, whose total charge exceeds 15 megatons.
              M4 with six individually guided thermonuclear warheads with a power of 150 kilotons each, with a firing range of up to 5300 km (minimum launch range seems to be 1,800 mi) and with the affected area in 20 thousand sq. km. The maximum deviation from the target is 400 m.

              At present, 64 M45 missiles are based on four French nuclear submarines.
              However, very soon they will begin to be replaced by more advanced M5
              ---------------------------------------
              Britain: Royal Air Force bombers of the Tornado type, equipped with WE-177 free-fall nuclear bombs, were tasked with ensuring a pre-strategic level of deterrence.
              Trident ICBMs on four Wangard-class submarines.

              --------------------------
              American tactical nuclear warheads (B-61) deployed in Germany and Turkey.
        2. Vend
          Vend 14 July 2016 16: 50
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Wend
          A nuclear strike on Europe is fraught with consequences for Russia.

          Which ones?

          The infection of the territory that is characteristic of this infection can be in the territory of Russia. The state border will not help.
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 14 July 2016 18: 06
            +10
            The infection of the territory that is characteristic of this infection can be in the territory of Russia. The state border will not help.


            The fact of discussing a nuclear strike is surprising. As if there would be no response. But in fact, the wind rose shows that radiation contamination will spread from west to east, gradually covering the entire northern hemisphere, and after the decade, the southern one. For me to discuss this, the same thing as the argument of a suicide, jumping from a roof or from a bridge, as it will be more painful .....
          2. Operator
            Operator 14 July 2016 18: 10
            +1
            According to the developers, the Russian strategic nuclear forces adopted pure (with an air blast) thermonuclear charges with tritium-deuterium boosters that burn plutonium fuse to short-lived isotopes of zinc, strontium and iodine.
            1. Asadullah
              Asadullah 14 July 2016 18: 57
              +5
              According to the developers, the Russian strategic nuclear forces adopted pure (with an air blast) thermonuclear charges with tritium-deuterium boosters that burn plutonium fuse to short-lived isotopes of zinc, strontium and iodine.


              smile This they declare. And when such powerful charges are detonated, such a round dance of elementary particles dances that the induced radiation makes it radioactive and that in life did not suffer from such diseases, even in the most terrible manifestations of its isotopes. As a matter of fact, you will already be on the drum whether you get a portion of neutrons after a rain on Thursday, or drink milk, in which these same neutrons, brought the electrons of matter to the craziness of alpha radiation.
              1. Operator
                Operator 14 July 2016 21: 02
                0
                The neutron range in the lower atmosphere is no more than 1,5 km. The optimal detonation heights of 100-kt, 1-mt and 10-mt nuclear charges are located above 1,5 km. Therefore, there will be no induced radiation in these cases.

                Below 1,5 km (approximately at 800 meters) is the optimal height for detonation of nuclear weapons - the so-called neutron munitions of low power of the order of 10 kt for incapacitating enemy living forces, including on board armored vehicles and in field shelters. They do cause induced radioactivity in the soil, which can pass into soil water. But the lifetime of the newly formed isotopes is on average one year.

                TNW will be used in the zone of attack of strike groups, so the local population after the end of hostilities will be able to temporarily migrate to other territories.
                1. Asadullah
                  Asadullah 14 July 2016 23: 55
                  +2
                  But the lifetime of the newly formed isotopes is on average one year.


                  I understand your considerations, as well as the motives of the source. But let's look at things realistically. Neutrons are just one entry in the house book of radioactive contamination. Moreover, more water vapor inhibits their propagation. In an environment of low humidity, they are much more agile. And isotopes, they are different. The attenuation of gamma-ray emitters is still understandable, particles with such an energy must be constantly heated by something, there is no heating, no particles. Beta is also pulled on the eye, protons calm down faster in a disturbed nucleus, but here is alpha, radiation of "calm" energies, a slow killer. Moreover, all types of radiation lead to a domino effect, when one induced radiation gives rise to another, as in Chernobyl after so many years. Moreover, radioactive particles form fairly stable chemical compounds. And most importantly, whatever the "sources" say, believe me, it doesn’t bring anything good, and the habitat after a small or big booze will definitely not be for a person.
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 15 July 2016 00: 28
                    0
                    In general, I do not mind, but only for the offensive strike group.

                    If you wish, you can completely get rid of the induced radioactivity by detonating any nuclear charges at an altitude of at least 1,5 km above the surface of the earth.

                    10 CT is half of Hiroshima or Nagasaki, non-radiation damaging factors (light radiation and shock wave) will be at a sufficient level.
        3. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 14 July 2016 20: 43
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Wend
          A nuclear strike on Europe is fraught with consequences for Russia.

          Which ones?

          "Parmesan" will definitely not be any more! crying
        4. Simple
          Simple 15 July 2016 01: 43
          -3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Which ones?

          1.Wind

          2.

          Countries possessing nuclear weapons:
          France; Great Britain;
          To date, France has about 300 strategic warheads for use in submarines, as well as about 60 tactical multiprocessors for airbase.

          The UK owns 225 nuclear warheads, of which more than 160 are on alert and deployed in submarines. Data on the armament of the British army is practically absent due to one of the principles of the country's military policy: not to disclose the exact quantity and quality of the funds presented in the arsenal.
          + USA: about 150 more modern B61 bombs, and some of them are located in Europe and Turkey.
          3.Little ...
          In the first half of the 2015 year, the import of food and agricultural raw materials to Russia amounted to $ 12,6 billion, including:
          Meat (except poultry) - 7,6% ($ 962 million)
          Drinks - 5,5% ($ 689 million);
          Citrus fruits - 4,4% ($ 561 million);
          Fish - 3,5% ($ 447 million);
          Tea - 2,4% ($ 308 million);
          Coffee - 2% ($ 253 million);
          Condensed milk and cream - 1,6% ($ 196 mln);
          Raw Sugar - 1,4% ($ 175 million); [
          Grain - 1,4% ($ 174 million);
          Poultry meat - 1,2% ($ 155 million);
          Butter - 1,1% ($ 139 million);
          Products containing cocoa - 1% ($ 129 million);
          White sugar - 0,6% ($ 81 million);
          Cocoa Beans - 0,4% ($ 53 million);
          Products and canned meat - 0,3% ($ 32 million);
          Vegetable oil - 0,01% ($ 2 million).
          and if it’s not European, then through the transport hubs of Europe.
          Well, if you are so naive and believe in "import substitution" ... I WILL BURN YOU ..
          EVEN IN POULTRY - ALL CHICKENS = NOT OUR
          SEED MATERIAL (SEEDS) - ON 99% (+/-) NOT OUR
          BULLS, PIGS, etc. SAME.
          4.OH ... MAJOR MEDICINES
          The share of imported drugs from the Russian hospital segment - in hospitals reaches 80–85%, domestic drugs are IMPORTED, only packaged in our country. 90% of the components of "our" drugs are imported (most of Europe)
          5.Denyuzhka of our "servants of the people"
          Offshore Millions of Central Bank Officials?
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 15 July 2016 02: 59
            +1
            you definitely won’t find Soviet aspirin, because it was cheap
            bananas because they do not grow

            otherwise there are no significant problems, because they are driven from behind a hillock because you need to crush your agricultural sector
            or they don’t even carry it, but they sculpt it because foreigners own the plant or vermah

            the fish is imported and expensive because the Russian trawler carries it to a Japanese or Norwegian port, from where it later to Russia, it’s easier to wash the grandmothers that are poked out of the people’s pockets.
          2. SergeBS
            SergeBS 17 July 2016 15: 09
            0
            Quote: Just
            In the first half of 2015, the import of food and agricultural raw materials to Russia amounted to $ 12,6 billion, including:

            Quote: Just
            Grain - 1,4% ($ 174 million);

            And who took the 1st place in grain export this year?
            Not RF, "by chance"? smile
            Google, the most precious.
            For example.
            Quote: Just
            EVEN IN POULTRY - ALL CHICKENS = NOT OUR

            Uh-huh. Come to the Vladimir province, for example. SURPRISE the locals with this "fact"! laughing
            And "further stops at all points."
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        6. Bochik
          Bochik 16 July 2016 11: 16
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Wend
          A nuclear strike on Europe is fraught with consequences for Russia.

          Which ones?

          Catch the answer at least.
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 16 July 2016 12: 14
            -1
            And for what?
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 July 2016 16: 01
      +15
      The missile defense system is improving every year, now it’s 900 missiles with limited ability to intercept ICBMs and warheads, and tomorrow it’s 2000 missiles to intercept ICBMs, with the selection of false warheads - the United States can start riveting these missiles like sausages at any time - so the answer is Russia should be in any case.
      1. Ased
        Ased 14 July 2016 16: 15
        +10
        About a year ago I was asked an interesting question to which I could not answer:
        (not verbatim, and purely hypothetically) And can there be, in advance, abandoned and hidden WMD charges on the territory of a likely enemy?
        In general, it is strange if no one has considered such ideas.
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 14 July 2016 17: 16
          +2
          Quote: ASed
          About a year ago I was asked an interesting question to which I could not answer:
          (not verbatim, and purely hypothetically) And can there be, in advance, abandoned and hidden WMD charges on the territory of a likely enemy?
          In general, it is strange if no one has considered such ideas.

          Review Resident Error.
        2. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 14 July 2016 17: 28
          +5
          They can, but given the required amount, at least one would burn, after which the scandal would be incredible. Therefore, no.
        3. strannik1985
          strannik1985 14 July 2016 17: 50
          +10
          They cannot, without regular maintenance, there will be heating and nuclear degradation up to a complete loss of combat effectiveness.
          1. Operator
            Operator 14 July 2016 18: 14
            -2
            Plus, pollution caused by radiation during the underground detonation of nuclear charges.
            And do we need it after accessing the Atlantic Ocean?
        4. Asadullah
          Asadullah 14 July 2016 18: 10
          +7
          But can the WMD?


          Can not. The nuclear charge itself needs periodic replacement of active elements, since the half-life effect acts. The charges are changed on schedule and recycled. Such a "mine", after a certain time, will lose its critical mass and will not work, or will work with a "cold" explosion.
          1. kostiknet
            kostiknet 14 July 2016 18: 25
            0
            I suggest (within the framework and spirit of the article) not to fence a garden with ekranoplanes! It is necessary to land special forces, which no one will notice, will not suspect, and which will "settle everything" by itself ... Just throw money on the project ... repeat
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 14 July 2016 20: 11
              +1
              ... which they just won’t come up with, if only they are not ekranoplans.

              There are squirrels there too, they are guarding the white house, recently one Russian reporter was bitten by the finger.
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        5. Zulu_S
          Zulu_S 16 July 2016 03: 04
          0
          Watch American action movies more often, and you will have no doubts when you answer next time.
      2. Maxom75
        Maxom75 14 July 2016 18: 25
        0
        you can start riveting, that's just their effectiveness is in doubt. You don’t have to bother at all, but to hit 50% of the potential off the coast of the USA and the radioactive wave of ocean water will cover both the USA and Japan. The second set in Atlanitka and goodbye America! Well, seriously, even thinking about it is scary.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 14 July 2016 23: 29
          0
          No destructive tsunami from these explosions on the coast will not fall.
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 15 July 2016 02: 34
            +1
            Dafid Copperfield will be against? laughing
        2. SergeBS
          SergeBS 17 July 2016 15: 35
          0
          Quote: Maxom75
          You don’t have to bother at all, but to hit 50% of the potential off the coast of the USA and the radioactive wave of ocean water will cover both the USA and Japan.

          This is what Sakharov suggested, 50 years ago.
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 14 July 2016 20: 39
      +3
      Well, the author’s nonsense about the ekranoplanes with ball rockets ... kill yourself! fool
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 14 July 2016 21: 13
        0
        Were with the winged ... the Americans had an air launch system for ICBMs from transport aircraft, as an alternative to the MX tunnel under the protection of missile defense in Dakota
    5. Oml
      Oml 15 July 2016 03: 18
      0
      more than 75 percent of their population lives in a 500-mile proximity to the ocean coastline with a total length of about ten thousand kilometers. The main production facilities, political and intellectual centers and the corresponding infrastructure are also located there.


      One of the solutions is to plant a super-powerful bomb on the bottom of the Atlantic to form the Stalin Strait, and so that small Britain will also be washed away. Or in any case, at least to frighten them with this because of their impudence and "impunity."
  2. svp67
    svp67 14 July 2016 15: 47
    +5
    No matter how good the ekranoplan is good, it is necessary to put pressure on the United States with the help of a variety of weapons that can break through its missile defense system at a time. The ekranoplanes are certainly needed and their design and production must be restored. But the author’s idea is too global, can we pull it?
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 14 July 2016 16: 17
      +12
      Quote: svp67
      ekranoplans are certainly needed and it is necessary to restore their design and production

      At the beginning of the year, there were several articles about the prospects for the development of ekranoplanes. Unfortunately, there were more skeptical opinions. But the fact remains that the enormous combat load combined with high speed and ultra-low altitude makes the ekranoplanes practically not vulnerable to anti-ship and anti-aircraft weapons. The crashes of the ekranoplanes during the tests and the subsequent curtailment of the program for their creation during the Soviet era coincided with the period of the collapse of the country. Therefore, we can confidently say that these events are interconnected and are the result of one of the US sabotage and subversive programs. I think now in Russia there are many agents of influence that still put sticks in the wheels of many promising projects. Traitors in the near-scientific environment of managers very often use the fact of the lack of a global counterpart as an argument for discrediting.
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 14 July 2016 21: 24
        +1
        They were created sobsno and carried the service, all cut as well as in the restructuring was supposed to do with the best.
        The RD-180 from Energia is still not used by Roscosmos, but it is sold cheaply in the United States, regardless of any sanctions. This is when "the power changed", and what kind of rampant the orgy of liberals took then ...
        1. strannik1985
          strannik1985 14 July 2016 22: 52
          +1
          Did "Eaglet" and "Lun" cut? Themselves quietly rotted away in Kaspiysk. Or are you talking about funding the program?
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 14 July 2016 23: 01
            +1
            What has not rotted then try to cut it. The same Buran who flew into space did not want to rot - they hired Tajiks to "repair the roof", which fell on him as a result ...
            1. strannik1985
              strannik1985 14 July 2016 23: 12
              +1
              What does perestroika have to do with it? The quiet program was closed after the death of Ustinov (not counting the commissioning of "Lunya").
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 14 July 2016 23: 35
                +1
                Perestroika in the USSR began in 1978, in 1985 it was "legalized", Bartini, in order to cancel the VTOL-2500, strangely "killed in the bathroom" even earlier.

                And about the "Eagles" we do not consider?
                1. strannik1985
                  strannik1985 14 July 2016 23: 43
                  +1
                  Moreover, the Eaglets were commissioned in 1977-1983.
                  1. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 14 July 2016 23: 51
                    +1
                    So they entered, and not "apart from the commissioning of the Lunya"
                    1. strannik1985
                      strannik1985 15 July 2016 00: 00
                      +1
                      The rest of the world is a little unaware that we have had perestroika since 1978, they think from 1985. And "Lun" in 1986 only finished state tests.
                      Thus, your passage on perestroika and electronic signature is completely incomprehensible.
                      1. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 15 July 2016 00: 02
                        +1
                        It's your problem.

                        Andropov began perestroika in the USSR by rigging intelligence reports to justify the start of the war in Afghanistan, which was needed as one of the "revolutionary factors".
                      2. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 15 July 2016 00: 13
                        +1
                        "They cut everything, as in perestroika one should do with the best."
                        Thus, in perestroika (let it be your way, since 1978), the electronic drives were actively exploited, nobody cut them. I wrote about this.
                      3. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 15 July 2016 00: 20
                        0
                        Where are they now? The roof on Buran fell on Baikonur also not in 1978, it was actively stored uncut. Bartini because of SVVP-2500 killed his head on the bath immediately (not a single Berezovsky scarf).
                      4. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 15 July 2016 00: 33
                        0
                        In the 90s (I don’t know the exact date of transfer of EP to flightless scrap metal), and not such projects were cheated.
                        But Bartini ... in the same 90s, the Alekseyevs rushed about with their projects, if only they would give money. Something I did not notice the construction of large electric power transmission abroad, apparently did not appreciate the prospects.
                      5. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 15 July 2016 00: 46
                        +1
                        Bartini with his VTOL-2500 was killed before perestroika. There will be large ones abroad, questions will arise why Russia does not, the Chinese are already building.
                      6. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 15 July 2016 14: 10
                        +1
                        Bartini with his VTOL-2500 killed before perestroika

                        Evidence? No one dies from random causes?

                        There will be large ones abroad, questions will arise why Russia does not, the Chinese are already building.

                        12-seater EP is large? Everything else is no further concepts from young Chinese students.
                      7. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 15 July 2016 18: 47
                        +1
                        Why are you asking them, and who you so? bully
                        From the protection of Berezovsky to whom the answer flew for this?

                        There is nowhere smaller, large tank landing troops are being built.
                      8. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 15 July 2016 19: 25
                        +1
                        Do you even have delusional arguments over?

                        Where? In China? Name?
                      9. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 15 July 2016 19: 49
                        0
                        You have no other started.

                        you do not understand by theirs ...
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 17 July 2016 15: 41
    0
    Quote: Simpsonian
    They were sobsno created and served

    This is not the Science Fiction Club. The Caspian "monsters" did not enter service, they did not serve.
  • Winnie76
    Winnie76 15 July 2016 01: 45
    0
    Quote: Vita VKO
    But the fact remains that the huge combat load, combined with high speed and ultra-low altitude, makes the ekranoplanes practically not vulnerable to anti-ship and anti-aircraft weapons.

    What about potential accidents involving steamboats? And getting the same gulls into the engines. For some reason, apart from the Caspian, the ekranoplanes were not used anywhere. Why's that...
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 15 July 2016 03: 00
      +1
      everything is taken into account ...
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 17 July 2016 15: 22
    0
    Quote: Vita VKO
    But the fact remains that the huge combat load, combined with high speed and ultra-low altitude, makes the ekranoplanes practically not vulnerable to anti-ship and anti-aircraft weapons.

    A small question: how does this ekranoplan differ from a cruise missile (CR) flying over the sea?
    Leading question: how is the defense organized against the attack of the Kyrgyz Republic from the sea? Hint - AWACS.
    Next, I propose to think for yourself: which target is easier to hit - large (EP) or small (RC)?
    Which target is easier to hit - slow (EP - 3XX km / h) or fast (KR - 6XX km / h)?
  • Orionvit
    Orionvit 14 July 2016 18: 36
    +2
    Much has been said about the need for ekranoplanes, but the analytics in the article is weak, and prospects in general are from the realm of fantasy.
  • Simpsonian
    Simpsonian 14 July 2016 20: 12
    +1
    WIG is easier and cheaper than airplanes.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 14 July 2016 20: 47
    0
    Quote: svp67
    No matter how good the ekranoplan is good, it is necessary to put pressure on the United States using a variety of weapons that can break through its missile defense system at a time. The ekranoplanes are certainly needed and their design and production must be restored.

    they won’t fly across the ocean, you’ll have to pull a barge with fuel ...
    1. dark_flame
      dark_flame 14 July 2016 21: 39
      0
      Quote: Andrew Y.

      they won’t fly across the ocean, you’ll have to pull a barge with fuel ...

      Do not have to. The problem with all airplanes is that every kilogram counts, the ekranoplane suffers less from this problem, which means it is possible to achieve normal radiation for the crew. A nuclear power plant can provide tremendous range. In the 60s, this was developed for strategic aviation, but everything came up against the rad-protection of the crew.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 14 July 2016 22: 01
        +1
        Quote: dark_flame
        Do not have to. The problem with all aircraft is that every kilogram counts, the ekranoplane suffers less from this problem

        but it moves in a dense atmosphere! engines eat fuel, if not in themselves! ask any pilot.
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 14 July 2016 23: 24
          0
          But he moves using the screen effect and not at such a high speed, which means on "low throttle".

          airplanes fly on airplanes that do not use the screen effect, on the contrary they fight with it so as not to interfere with landing on the airfield strip

          ekranoplan’s cruising speed is almost equal to its take-off

          if an ordinary low-wing aircraft with a wing not optimized for the ground effect is trying to make it fly on "low gas" over water, ice or tundra, then it will hook the wing on irregularities

          There are no competitors in terms of speed-carrying capacity.
    2. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 14 July 2016 21: 40
      -1
      They fly better than airplanes across the ocean; an article about VTOL-2500 was written.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 14 July 2016 22: 02
        +1
        Quote: Simpsonian
        They fly better than airplanes across the ocean; an article about VTOL-2500 was written.

        and how much flew over? Well, really, well, an example!
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 14 July 2016 22: 13
          +1
          With a government whose children and grandchildren will never fly to the United States ...
          Was Bartini a fool or who? In the days when ekranoplanes flying boats flew a lot, especially English. Then they in the USSR reduced the wingspan and moved it down so that it would better stay on the screen and not catch the wave on the hull.
          1. SergeBS
            SergeBS 17 July 2016 15: 48
            0
            Quote: Simpsonian
            In the days when ekranoplanes flying boats flew a lot, especially English.

            Uh-huh. Only a "flying boat" - after all, an AIRPLANE taking off from the water, but never an ekranoplan. No need to cheat SO.
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 17 July 2016 20: 06
              +1
              When overloaded, even a glider is overloaded, they saved some Cheluskinites ...
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 July 2016 15: 51
    +11
    From an engineering point of view, a flying ship called an ekranoplan is a dead end branch of evolution. For a ship - not strong enough, for an airplane - too heavy. At operating speed - it is dangerous for the crew, a meeting with the ocean wave at a speed of 300 km or more - instant death for the ship and crew. This is a car for rivers and lakes, possibly closed seas. But not for the ocean.
    1. There are a lot of us
      There are a lot of us 14 July 2016 16: 22
      0
      Yes, even at such a speed among the ice floe to maneuver ...
      1. alexander 2
        alexander 2 14 July 2016 16: 46
        +8
        Why maneuver? The ekranoplan will calmly rise to such a height where there are no hummocks or waves. After all, this is not a hovercraft, it can rise much higher.
        PS Read about the "Caspian monster"
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 14 July 2016 17: 22
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      From an engineering point of view, a flying ship called an ekranoplan is a dead end branch of evolution. For a ship - not strong enough, for an airplane - too heavy. At operating speed - it is dangerous for the crew, a meeting with the ocean wave at a speed of 300 km or more - instant death for the ship and crew. This is a car for rivers and lakes, possibly closed seas. But not for the ocean.

      There is a contradiction in the categorical nature of the judgment "a dead-end branch of evolution" and the provision of a theater of application "for rivers and lakes, possibly closed seas."
      And there is an opportunity to approach the United States "from the side", from the northeast.
    3. Wasiliy1985
      Wasiliy1985 14 July 2016 18: 16
      +6
      As for the ship - this is not a ship, as for the plane - it is not a plane. This is a new class of vehicles - ekranoplan!
      And you repeat the arguments of the Ministry of Industry and the Minaviaprom of the USSR. Which are a reflection of internal and interdepartmental bureaucratic showdowns and have nothing to do with an unbiased assessment of the real possibilities of a new mode of transport.
  • OlegLex
    OlegLex 14 July 2016 15: 53
    +2
    Yes, I once read about ekranoplanes, and indeed the author is right about the possibility of tactical and strategic use of these machines. That's only in the Soviet magazine it was written about ineffective modern means of defense of such carriers. And the author did not write anything about this. Although if you recall the means of defense of the same Armata then I don’t know, I don’t know, I am unfortunately not an expert in this matter and my reasoning is the reasoning of an amateur
  • sever.56
    sever.56 14 July 2016 15: 53
    +9
    The author writes interestingly: - all of our nuclear submarines on duty off the coast of the United States will be instantly destroyed by the forces of American anti-aircraft forces, and Tu-95 and Tu-160 are shot down.
    And giant ekranoplanes that will be invulnerable to the enemy?
    His suggestions on ekranoplans are more like promoting his ideas. And taking into account the fact that these devices will have to be developed from scratch, what big money it will cost and most importantly - lack of time, and not the fact that ekranoplanes will be effective. They must have powerful defense weapons, or they will need to send half a fleet to protect them.
    1. Koshak
      Koshak 14 July 2016 16: 39
      +1
      Quote: sever.56
      all of our nuclear submarines on duty off the coast of the United States will be instantly destroyed by forces of the American anti-aircraft defense forces

      But what the hell is it for our nuclear submarines to roam off the coast of the United States if ICBMs can get anywhere in the state directly without leaving the pier somewhere in the Kola Bay.
      1. alexander 2
        alexander 2 14 July 2016 16: 55
        +1
        So missile defense in Europe for this is done so that it would not be possible to strike at the United States from our territory.
      2. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 14 July 2016 17: 30
        -1
        Because at these piers they will be blown up before the fire command. But they need to sit naturally, not off the coast of the United States, that insanity and nonsense, but as far as possible and deeper so that they would not find
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 July 2016 23: 33
        +2
        The closer they let go, the less will be the flying time of warheads.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 15 July 2016 10: 15
          0
          But what's the point of the difference between 15 minutes and 30 minutes, or do you think they will have time to evacuate New York in the extra 15 minutes?
    2. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 14 July 2016 20: 40
      +2
      they are large enough to have the same anti-ship missiles or air defense systems as on ships yes

      actually from scratch they are developed by the United States and not Russia
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 14 July 2016 15: 59
    +6
    Let China build a canal in Nicaragua, and Russia - a naval base for its protection, with a missile defense system to protect Russia from the Mexican and Colombian drug lords!
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 14 July 2016 17: 34
      0
      Considering that US missiles fly north, how are you going to intercept them with missile defense systems located a thousand kilometers south of American ICBM mines?
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 14 July 2016 20: 44
        +1
        From the Hudson's Bay, what is not an option? Or is it only American destroyers with AEGIS that can hang around in the Barents, Baltic and Black Seas?
      2. Zulu_S
        Zulu_S 16 July 2016 04: 04
        0
        The launchers of our missile defense systems should be dual-purpose, like Aegis. And to stand with this missile defense would be better in Cuba, of course. It’s a pity that it’s politically impossible.
  • Kibl
    Kibl 14 July 2016 16: 03
    +4
    I live in Europe, if things go on like this, you’ll have to buy a concrete mixer, armature a couple of good shovels. I’ll go into the woods and dig a personal bomb shelter. How did these brainless European hens headed by a black cormorant got!
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 14 July 2016 16: 10
      +2
      a concrete mixer will not be easy to connect in the forest)
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 14 July 2016 16: 20
      +2
      Quote: KIBL
      I live in Europe, if things go on like this, you’ll have to buy a concrete mixer, armature a couple of good shovels. I’ll go into the woods and dig a personal bomb shelter. How did these brainless European hens headed by a black cormorant got!

      Yes, do not bother, do not.
      1. AdekvatNICK
        AdekvatNICK 14 July 2016 16: 37
        +5
        Yes, it’s not worth it. The bunker will not save)
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 July 2016 17: 44
      +2
      Now the construction of such individual bunkers is carried out by specialized companies - bunkers of any size and equipment.
    4. Parsec
      Parsec 14 July 2016 19: 21
      +1
      Quote: KIBL
      I live in Europe


      Is it in Latvia?
  • ibu355yandex.ru
    ibu355yandex.ru 14 July 2016 16: 13
    +4
    It may be an adventurous project, but nothing can be rejected without discussion! Never say never!
    1. Zulu_S
      Zulu_S 16 July 2016 04: 13
      0
      Quote: ibu355yandex.ru
      nothing can be rejected without discussion!

      Yes, only to discuss this issue is not necessary on this site. 99,999% of the debated experts in the field of ekranoplanes are not, with all due respect to the society gathered here.
  • AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 14 July 2016 16: 14
    +7
    establish nuclear launch mines on the Franz Josef Archipelago and declare that this is not directed against America, but aimed solely to protect against Iran.
    1. alexander 2
      alexander 2 14 July 2016 16: 58
      +6
      And in Cuba from the evil North Korea. And the United States has nothing to do with it.
    2. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 14 July 2016 17: 11
      +8
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      establish nuclear launch mines on the Franz Josef Archipelago and declare that this is not directed against America, but aimed solely to protect against Iran.


      Why immediately from Iran ?! Iran seems to be friendly to us so far. It’s better to declare against Ukraine! Level 80 trolling, so to speak. And then let the Americans prove to everyone that Ukraine does not have nuclear weapons.
      1. VOLCHOXURAL
        VOLCHOXURAL 14 July 2016 17: 57
        +1
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        Why immediately from Iran ?! Iran seems to be friendly to us so far. It’s better to declare against Ukraine! Level 80 trolling, so to speak. And then let the Americans prove to everyone that Ukraine does not have nuclear weapons.

        Or against "sprat" wassat
      2. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 14 July 2016 20: 15
        0
        Against Austria-Hungary bully and those in Cuba are against Mozambique ...
      3. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 14 July 2016 20: 46
        +1
        For us, USA from Iran laughing
  • Operator
    Operator 14 July 2016 16: 16
    +6
    The number of nuclear charges on Russian ICBMs corresponds in excess to the number of targets - cities of NATO countries where 80 percent of the population lives. But there are still SLBMs, X-102 and Gauges.

    The entire US land and sea-based missile defense is built on radar, which is elementarily suppressed by single high-altitude explosions of nuclear charges.

    It is just necessary to cover more for Westerners the theme of nuclear missile weapons and their flying time.
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 14 July 2016 16: 47
      +4
      we lose in propaganda. They still think that they are the main winners in the Second World War.
    2. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 14 July 2016 17: 36
      0
      There are 30 thousand cities in the United States and 1550 warheads in Russia. In excess wassat
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 July 2016 17: 46
        0
        And 3000 more military bases of NATO and the USA around the world.
      2. Operator
        Operator 14 July 2016 18: 06
        0
        I had in mind cities with a population of 100000 or more, for which it is not a pity to spend from 100 ct and higher.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 14 July 2016 21: 18
          +1
          Quote: Operator
          I had in mind cities with a population of 100000 or more, for which it is not a pity to spend from 100 ct and higher.

          why cities? are they dangerous? or you, according to the American principle, will do the desert?
          1. Operator
            Operator 15 July 2016 00: 36
            0
            Attacks on cities are carried out to reduce the mobilization contingent - after the warring parties have exhausted their stock of nuclear charges, the struggle for living space will be waged by ground forces.
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 15 July 2016 14: 22
              0
              Quote: Operator
              The attacks on the cities are carried out to reduce the mobilization contingent - after

              what the fuck is the "mobilization contingent" overseas? do you think they do not remember the results of the "convoy" in the Second World War? who will fly to fly? what are you speaking about? especially after
              "when the opposing sides use up their stock of nuclear charges, the struggle for living space will be waged by ground forces.
              -you generally fool in adequate ??? in an infected area ... march to school.
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 15 July 2016 17: 44
                +1
                to Durkee, moreover, a strict regime, their client ...
        2. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 15 July 2016 10: 13
          0
          So even military bases alone will not be enough, as Vadim pointed out
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 14 July 2016 21: 16
        +1
        Quote: BlackMokona
        There are 30 thousand cities in the United States and 1550 warheads in Russia. In excess

        the main structure of the USA — on the coast — is enough, and not only on the coast.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 15 July 2016 10: 12
          -1
          Calculation is possible?
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 15 July 2016 17: 18
            +1
            Chinese still do not forget to count. Bombs come in various capacities.
  • pavelty
    pavelty 14 July 2016 16: 17
    -2
    As far as I remember, huge problems arise even with a little excitement ... so all this is in vain
  • Berkut24
    Berkut24 14 July 2016 16: 19
    -4
    The Achilles heel of the States is not a missile defense system, not an air defense system, not anti-submarine weapons. The weakest point is the economy built on unsecured pieces of paper. The fate of the hired army will be decided within an hour, as soon as everyone - from the soldier to the general realizes that they are risking their lives for no reason. On the same green pieces of paper, all the allied relations of the hegemon with his mongrel are kept.
    And Russia and China know where to beat. On that front line and so everything is thin. A big bubble will be enough for a small needle. The United States does not have time until the year 2030.
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 14 July 2016 16: 46
      +3
      The largest turnover in the world is between the United States and China, so China least of all wants to burst this big bubble. And the US economy is bent as long as I already live and something in any way. I hope you have enough health.
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 14 July 2016 16: 24
    +7
    Today is the second article in the series "Technology for youth" (the first is about a space bomber). The implementation of any of such good undertakings will take us 50 years. I am not even talking about the financial side of the issue.
  • Antropos
    Antropos 14 July 2016 16: 29
    +4
    As for me, everything is so simple: to bring all our nuclear warheads to the geographical center of Russia and lay in the mine kilometer 3 depth. Block the sky with a multitude of 200, 300, 400 and 500. Surround the PCB with minefields and harsh security. And to declare: any attack on the Russian Federation, even conventional weapons, which will seem to us irresistible, will lead to the undermining of 100500 megatons. Earth in half. No one will be saved, and money will not save anyone. Let it scratch turnips.
    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 14 July 2016 17: 19
      +9
      As a variant of the apocalypse and loan day just right! And most importantly in Russian, to die like that with music! In any case, they will not be able to bury Russia in nuclear ashes, and they themselves will not be able to remain white and fluffy. And yet, yes, the Yellowstone project has not yet been canceled, as well as the super-torpedo project along the US coast.
      1. Antropos
        Antropos 15 July 2016 07: 52
        +1
        I agree on 146%, Dianochka! There is definitely something apocalyptic in Judgment Day.))))))))))))
  • SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 14 July 2016 16: 32
    +5
    The article has one correct thought. The Psheks launched a rocket in our direction, it is necessary to hit Europe and the States. We are drawn into a war with Europe, weaken even by winning. And then the States ....
    1. berezin1987
      berezin1987 14 July 2016 19: 22
      +1
      In response, the eastern geyropeytsy work su-34 and Tu-22m3 with tiao on board without the use of strategic nuclear forces. If there is a massive attack in all directions, we work in the states, the UK and France with strategic charges.
      1. Operator
        Operator 14 July 2016 21: 16
        -1
        It is urgent to withdraw from the RSD treaty in order not to spend expensive intercontinental missiles on Europe.
      2. alexander 2
        alexander 2 15 July 2016 01: 59
        0
        So the Americans want this and we would fight with Europe, but they are on the sidelines, all are so white and fluffy. Then you can reset your debt, and all finances will go back to them as the most stable country. But to fight not with strategic nuclear weapons, but with conventional weapons so that we and Europe weaken, but survive. And then there will be no one to command and no one to take the rent from.
        1. berezin1987
          berezin1987 15 July 2016 15: 49
          0
          And we will strike at 3.14ndosia in case of war, so that they will not sit out.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 14 July 2016 17: 01
    -2
    Combat ekranoplanes - carriers of combat ekranoplanes, this is twice as cool as just combat ekranoplanes, it’s clear to a fool. This is power, as they say - two ... this is power! Urgently, cancel pensions, give money to ingenious designers, super important development!
    "- In India, monkeys collect coconuts. And my macaques in the Siberian taiga will collect cedar cones, peel them, put them in boxes, you know ..."

    = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = hUGEgp0sbo8 =
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 14 July 2016 20: 26
      +1
      maybe just sell a couple of olegrach yachts? there is not only enough for "ekranoplans, ekranoplan carriers" but also for an aircraft carrier lol
  • xant
    xant 14 July 2016 17: 10
    +3
    The article has one correct thought. The Psheks launched a rocket in our direction, it is necessary to hit Europe and the States.
    They need to be beaten in the brains in every sense so that they don’t get into it and our effective managers should keep moronic ideas to themselves! Good ideas are secretly kept, and such people are just badasses.
  • strannik1985
    strannik1985 14 July 2016 17: 17
    +1
    Maybe the author will indicate the performance characteristics and location of the models of electronic vehicles that were in service in the USSR?
    Better yet, compare the prospective EP with the existing Tu-95 and Tu-160.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 14 July 2016 21: 02
      0
      models in children's toy stores

      Tu-95 and Tu-160 do not know how to land on water, and then be on duty in a given area off the coast of the enemy or at his SSBNs in the Ocean for weeks or months, replacing the same ones.
  • Verdun
    Verdun 14 July 2016 17: 23
    +5
    I’ll go build my own ekranoplan. The author of the article inspired me with his ideas. I especially liked this moment:
    In connection with the dual purpose - both military, including with the possibility of launching ICBMs from anywhere in the World Ocean, and civilian, for example, to put into orbit blocks for interplanetary expeditions weighing up to 200 tons from the equator,
    I also want to simultaneously go fishing on an ekranoplane and launch something into orbit. smile But seriously ... What dimensions should an ekranoplan be in order to accommodate everything that is necessary to launch launch vehicles equal in power to the Energia launch vehicle? The idea of ​​an ekranoplan seems to me promising, but ... not so much! At the same time, it is extremely doubtful whether it was possible to combine the capabilities of a civilian and military ekranoplan. The economic component simply will not allow it.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 14 July 2016 20: 24
      +1
      Verdun
      What size the ekranoplan should be in order to be able to place on it everything that is needed to launch the launch vehicles,

      Fuck knows, judge for yourself ...
    2. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 14 July 2016 20: 29
      0
      Build and ride, no more complicated than a glider boat
      and no fish surveillance will catch up
    3. alexander 2
      alexander 2 15 July 2016 02: 33
      +2
      The main advantage of an ekranoplan in front of an airplane is that, due to the screen, it can lift a significantly greater weight with the same power ratio. And there are already space launch projects from airplanes. I am not a specialist, so I can’t say which is more profitable; the satellite’s launch from our plane or the launch from the ekranoplan at the equator, but that the ekranoplan will lift the rocket is for sure. And maybe not just one. And militarily, not everything is so bad. After all, he does not have to constantly move, flew in - sat, flew to another place, flew home, returned again. And if there are several such ekranoplanes ... Of course, it is easier to detect them than a submarine, for example, from a satellite, and another tactic is needed here. The main advantage of the ekranoplan is speed. Not a single ship will catch up with him, but he will cope with airplanes. In addition, no one has ever abolished submarine duty. It is necessary that the United States does not have illusions that it is possible to attack Russia and not get answers.
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 15 July 2016 03: 09
        0
        Quote: Alexander 2
        After all, he does not have to constantly move, flew in - sat, flew to another place, flew home, returned again.

        And then how can you keep "these Russians" for ... fool It is better to spend a resource on Tu-95 with refueling and burn kerosene for several hours in one direction, several hours in the opposite direction and only an hour and a half in the area. lol
        But in order to get on and relax - no, this is not heroic, this is not our way.
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  • demiurg
    demiurg 14 July 2016 18: 39
    0
    And the whole world does not know about ekranoplanes. Alekseev had ideas about the CCP, and they were brilliant. I also remember reading about ships with a small waterline area, there were also very interesting results. There were ideas in the USSR on the movement of the body in air "lubrication", there were a lot of things. But for some reason none of this is presented as a panacea for everything at once.
    If you really want to fly 30 meters above the water, this can be done by Tu-160, and even IL-76. But they can fly a little higher in the event of a storm. Or maybe quite high.
    The article is some kind of stuffing. Serious people could write an open letter to the president as an option. And an article without facts, without groundwork, definitely either someone's nonsense, or the dreams of a mentally ill.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 14 July 2016 21: 50
      +1
      With such a long flight, the Tu-160 will fall apart, the IL-76, even if not very long.
      both will take a much smaller load, both aircraft do not know how to land on water
  • doework
    doework 14 July 2016 18: 50
    +1
    And I always said: - The best aircraft carrier and the best ekranoplan is about. Cuba! laughing
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 14 July 2016 21: 27
      0
      Quote: doework
      And I always said: - The best aircraft carrier and the best ekranoplan is about. Cuba! laughing

      you can take hold of Honshu, Hokkaido, Shikoku, Kyushu and Okinawa ... but what? yes
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 14 July 2016 23: 49
        +2
        Why do we need so many Japanese? Hokkaido will be enough, especially since Russia has rights to it (or to most of it).
  • cccr51
    cccr51 14 July 2016 19: 03
    0
    Please tell the princess that her islet will be destroyed in the first place and three times just in case, to me so kaetsya.
  • aud13
    aud13 14 July 2016 19: 31
    0
    The enemy must be beaten with his own weapon ...
    I do not mean nuclear, etc., but destroying it from the inside, provoking friction between the allies, between blacks and whites, etc.
    To inflate internal contradictions to such an extent that Russia is no longer there.
  • mik6403
    mik6403 14 July 2016 20: 09
    0
    The ekranoplanes probably need to be built in miniature and conduct all kinds of experiments and confessions in this area (science does not stand still), perhaps this topic has not completely exhausted itself ... but the state has no means to build giants that have not been fully studied and tested, and those that need to be used with great benefit.
    1. Parsec
      Parsec 14 July 2016 23: 17
      0
      Quote: mik6403
      it is necessary to build in miniature and conduct all kinds of experiments and confessions in this area (science does not stand still


      Yes! Confession and repentance, penance and anathema, and all the sacraments!
  • Alisher
    Alisher 14 July 2016 20: 15
    0
    at a speed of 324 knots (600 km / h)
    the screen effect (increase in lift, decrease in aerodynamic drag) is inversely proportional to the flight height above the surface (the higher the lower) and the flight speed (the faster the lower the effect). For a hang glider with its low flight speed and large chord of the wing, the screen effect is felt up to a height of 10 meters. At such speeds as in the article, this is not so much a screen effect, but the lifting force of a wing, as in aviation. But the point of application of the lifting force differs from the point of application of the screen effect (it moves forward), this is already a screen flight.
    Due to the increased lifting force - the wing of an ekranoplan is less than that of an aircraft of the same weight, but the load on the wing is greater, since the same mass relies on a smaller area. Therefore, the wing needs to be strengthened, and the weight savings of decreasing wing area are reduced.

    The ekranoplan's niche is relatively cheap (more expensive than a ship) and relatively slow (not faster than a helicopter) cargo delivery over the sea or flat surface. Due to profitability - it is possible far enough (comparable to an airplane). Delivery of urgent cargo to Syria, Transnistria, Crimea, to a group of ships in the Pacific Ocean, etc. it could be within their power, and they can’t close the airspace, since formally they are ships, and the straits are open for them. On the other hand, mass production of transport aircraft may turn out to be cheaper, even taking into account further operation.

    You cannot start building huge ekranoplanes without creating medium and small ones, without gaining experience in construction and operation, without preparing pilots, without first investing in hangars, piers and take-off strips, without allocating flight zones for them for land, without regulating them legally.

    Such a "hurray" article is more likely to harm ekranoplanes, and not popularize them.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 14 July 2016 20: 37
      -2
      An ekranoplane is cheaper than a ship, the wing is more complicated for an airplane, because it is of a large scope.

      EP is essentially a flying boat which leaves the screen effect only in exceptional cases
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 14 July 2016 20: 55
        -1
        nothing to argue but you can just put a liberal minus
      2. Alisher
        Alisher 14 July 2016 23: 39
        +1
        Quote: Simpsonian
        WIG is cheaper than a ship

        Faster than a ship, but more expensive than a ship.
        The wing of an ekranoplan may be more complicated than that of an airplane, but smaller in area and length. End washers and flaps are required, or large flaps to increase the screen effect, as well as a large wing chord.
        Wing aerodynamics more difficult than the plane! It should fly strictly parallel to the surface, and when you leave the screen effect (jump up), the points of application of forces change, and this should be taken into account when designing and piloting.

        The minus is not mine.
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 15 July 2016 00: 15
          0
          If sailing, then of course. If the wing is shorter in length / span, then it is simpler.
          The aerodynamics of an ekranoplane are no more complicated than that of a flying boat (of which it is a specialized subspecies); there is no need to complicate it.
          1. Alisher
            Alisher 15 July 2016 00: 52
            0
            Quote: Simpsonian
            specialized subspecies of which he is

            WIG is not a subspecies of a flying boat.
            A flying boat, and generally airplanes do not fly on the screen effect, it is harmful to airplanes and they are struggling with it by raising the wing up, increasing the landing gear, and reducing the wing chord.
            During the Second World War, the unexplored screen effect destroyed many planes (on aircraft carriers, as well as bonding during landing), but the story is known that one English pilot, on the contrary, was saved thanks to the screen effect - he reached the coast with a black engine (a small speed contributed to this).
            Aerodynamics changes this way - when landing with the flaps extended, at a low speed, the screen effect shifts the point of application of the lifting force backwards, if the center of mass is in front, then the plane will bite its nose and hood.
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 15 July 2016 01: 35
              0
              Aircraft and ordinary flying boats can fly and fly until they go off the screen to a height or land. If they constantly try to walk on the screen, then with their wing of large elongation they will fall apart due to the chatter. WIG can also leave the screen, but this will affect the economy.
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 14 July 2016 21: 29
      0
      Quote: Alisher
      Due to the economy - it is possible far enough (comparable to an airplane).

      come on! math.part learn ...
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 14 July 2016 22: 53
        +1
        the materiel is such that the screen effect gives 2 times greater polearm power, so you can not drive horses engines with a tear.
      2. Alisher
        Alisher 14 July 2016 23: 25
        0
        Already studied, several books. There, on the example of Orlyonok, everything is painted.
        Profitability in comparison with the plane will be:
        1. due to lower speed and, accordingly, lower resistance. Screw engines are more economical, for example, the Tu-95 and Tu-160, and better for low speeds.
        2. Due to the screen effect - the surface does not allow vortices to form behind the ekranoplan, reducing aerodynamic drag.
        3. The wing is smaller, lighter than an airplane with the same lift.
        4. If instead of the tail unit like in the Eaglet, in the style of the Tu-154, another horizontal stabilization mechanism is used, for example, the front automatically-controlled wings, like the Tu-144 or Su-34, then there will still be a gain.

        The ekranoplan is categorically contraindicated bullying of the nose, an increase in the angle of attack - there will be an accident. The front wings should immediately lower their nose automatically. At WIG Alekseev’s stabilizer is raised high to exclude the screen effect and has a large area, as well as shifted back relative to the center of mass (more lever). When the nose is pulled up, the tail will go down, and the screen effect will begin to push the stabilizer up, aligning the ekranoplan. Now it’s enough to apply high-speed microprocessor control and the stabilizer resistance can be reduced.
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 15 July 2016 00: 31
          0
          Categorically, his flying boats somehow rarely lifted up without the use of any microprocessors ...
    3. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 15 July 2016 02: 11
      +1
      straits are open for aircraft
  • NordUral
    NordUral 14 July 2016 20: 29
    0
    We need, without getting involved in the European confrontation and a new arms race fatal for the country, to find an inexpensive but effective way of influencing the consciousness of a more likely than even overseas leadership, and the American nation itself.

    This is the way to act - to bring to ordinary Americans and Europeans, and indeed to every citizen of the planet Earth, where their possessed and insatiable rulers pull them. I believe that ordinary people will have enough intelligence to understand this and will have the determination to resist general annihilation.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 14 July 2016 20: 36
    0
    We need, without getting involved in the European confrontation and a new arms race fatal for the country, to find an inexpensive but effective way of influencing the consciousness of a more likely than even overseas leadership, and the American nation itself.

    This is the way to act - to bring to ordinary Americans and Europeans, and indeed to every citizen of the planet Earth, where their possessed and insatiable rulers pull them. I believe that ordinary people will have enough intelligence to understand this and will have the determination to resist general annihilation.

    But the ekranoplanes were not even pulled by the Soviet Union. Russia needs to intelligently take advantage of the vast territory and establish military alliances with China and India.
    And, most importantly, to return the powerful defense industry and science, further down the list. But all this is possible only with a planned economy, socialism (well, let it be state capitalism), but not with the thieves' oligarchy, which we now have.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 14 July 2016 21: 08
    +1
    The favorite game of the Yankees is poker. In poker, bluff is a constant tool. But if your opponent "reads" you, bluff is the surest way to collapse. The USA once had a bluff about super torpedoes, in the early 60s, they bought it. And they created "Flurry", "Kit". In the 80s there was SDI, pretended to buy. They created seismic weapons and orbital satellites of the killer. How many of them are still dangling in waiting among the orbital debris in the burial belt of the state secret. Now PRO. We did not buy, but traditionally we do something in response, without making particularly loud statements. There are rumors about a new cruise missile under the Iskander range with a nuclear warhead and a range of up to 5000 km. Well, very smart.
  • Old26
    Old26 14 July 2016 23: 27
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    The missile defense system is improving every year, now it’s 900 missiles with limited ability to intercept ICBMs and warheads, and tomorrow it’s 2000 missiles to intercept ICBMs, with the selection of false warheads -

    Something I don’t recognize you, Vadim ... I don’t see mass character. And why do Americans now have 900 anti-ballistic missile interceptors? And tomorrow will be already 2000 already specifically for intercepting ICBMs without any restrictions. They would have written that now the Americans have 9000, and tomorrow there will be 20000 ... What is so little detail. Or tomorrow with you - is it somewhere around 2050?
    I have to upset you. Currently, Americans have only 257 interceptors on ships and in Romania. And without the possibility of even a limited interception of ICBMs ...

    Quote: Simpsonian
    Were with the winged ... the Americans had an air launch system for ICBMs from transport aircraft, as an alternative to the MX tunnel under the protection of missile defense in Dakota

    Not were, but was. In a single copy. The Americans really tested the air launch system. But not in service. The Americans considered the tunnel system for MX as one of the possible ones. More precisely, not a tunnel, but a trench system

    Quote: Vita VKO
    But the fact remains that the huge combat load, combined with high speed and ultra-low altitude, makes the ekranoplanes practically not vulnerable to anti-ship and anti-aircraft weapons.

    The most widespread argument of WIG supporters. Although if you consider ... "Lun"
    had a starting weight of 380 tons. Of which 140 were fuel. Carried 6 anti-ship missiles at a speed of 500 km / h at a maximum range of 2000 km. Any of our strategists has almost twice the speed and with the same fueling would be a hundred tons lighter and carry a combat load 5 to 6 times more. And it would not depend on the weather since the ekranoplan. In addition, the thesis about the invulnerability of ekranoplanes can be attributed to the beginning of the 80s, but not to the present. Current radars are already picking up targets against the background of the underlying surface at a distance of 600 km. And do not detect a target with a wing area of ​​550 square meters ... Well, you have to be either drunk in the insole, or blind.

    Quote: Alexander 2
    The ekranoplan will calmly rise to such a height where there are no hummocks or waves. After all, this is not a hovercraft, it can rise much higher.

    You confuse an ekranoplane with an ekranolet. The second can really rise to a considerable height. The ekranoplan can do only a short jump.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 15 July 2016 02: 29
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Not were, but was. In a single copy.

      perhaps you still forgot to count foreign

      Such shipboard anti-ship missiles can be worn by strategists? Can strategists land on water? The An-225 transporter against the background of the SVVP-2500 somehow does not look. Strategists depend on the weather. The horizon is smaller.

      This is a game of terms, so you can write a Mozhaisky plane or the first brother wright in an ekranoplan. If you find fault with them, then an ekranoplan is an ekranolet without an engine.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 July 2016 09: 33
      0
      It’s better to count the number of missile defense in the launch cells, and yes tomorrow is the 2030th.
  • Old26
    Old26 14 July 2016 23: 31
    0
    Quote: strannik1985
    Maybe the author will indicate the performance characteristics and location of the models of electronic vehicles that were in service in the USSR?
    Better yet, compare the prospective EP with the existing Tu-95 and Tu-160.

    You can see the performance characteristics for yourself, in the same "Vika". They were all based in the Caspian in, let's say, greenhouse conditions. Now there are no airborne troops, and the missile has been decommissioned. Located at the Dagdizel plant in Kaspiysk. Specifications. “Lun” was losing in almost all respects.

    Quote: mik6403
    The ekranoplanes probably need to be built in miniature and conduct all kinds of experiments and confessions in this area (science does not stand still), perhaps this topic has not completely exhausted itself ... but the state has no means to build giants that have not been fully studied and tested, and those that need to be used with great benefit.

    And such small ones are being tested now. Load of 6 people or half a ton of cargo. What is interesting about this device is that it can use 5 modes of movement in its movement: displacement, glider mode, snowmobile mode, ekranoplan mode and finally airplane mode. Such will be in demand, but not huge.

    Quote: Alisher
    Delivery of urgent cargo to Syria, Transnistria, Crimea, to a group of ships in the Pacific Ocean, etc. it could be within their power, and they can’t close the airspace, since formally they are ships, and the straits are open for them.

    In Crimea, yes, in Transnistria - in principle, yes, through the straits - maybe yes, but in any case, it will go through them in a displacement mode. In the Pacific - only in good weather
    1. Alisher
      Alisher 15 July 2016 00: 15
      0
      Quote: Old26
      In the Pacific - only in good weather

      I read that the flight of the ekranoplan could go up to five points of excitement at sea, with a wave height of up to two meters. This is not very good weather. But this is a characteristic of a specific model of an ekranoplan, its strength inherent in TK and actually embodied.
      The lower the ekranoplan’s flight, the more economical it is. When designing, you can lay a flight height of 5 - 10 meters, but the size of the wing chord will be no less, and you will probably have to forget about profitability.
      If you need to urgently deliver cargo from the coast in the ocean for 1000-1500 km., Then at a speed of 350 km / h this is 3 - 5 hours of ekranoplan flight. The weather forecast should not change if it is bad - not flyable. In a zone of good weather we fly low, with increasing excitement - we move higher. The main thing is the ability to splash down near the ships, for example, to bring spare parts, doctors, and pick up the wounded.
    2. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 15 July 2016 02: 37
      0
      What do you mean by greenhouses? The storm in the Caspian Sea is no worse than in the Black Sea, hydrogen sulfide, no. And Iran, in addition to the United States itself, is the only country in which there were and is F-14.
    3. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 15 July 2016 02: 40
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      ... such will be in demand, but not huge.

      Eaglets seemed to have more of these.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 14 July 2016 23: 38
    0
    Minus the article. The author famously virtually destroyed our strategic nuclear forces within a couple of minutes and only ekranoplanes remained. But what is such a concept as "threatened period", the author has not heard?
    And it is worth the same American submarines to go to sea in a larger quantity than usual, as we will immediately perceive this as the beginning of the war.
    After that, we are just waiting for reports on missile launches, and it started from our tracking stations ...
    And by the way. Europe will not burn, because there is essentially nothing to burn there in terms of weapons and threats to us.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 14 July 2016 23: 39
    0
    For US carrier strike groups, such flying platforms will be easy prey.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 15 July 2016 02: 51
      0
      Quite the contrary ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 15 July 2016 09: 35
        0
        Air defense systems and carrier-based aircraft will quickly sink this platform.
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 15 July 2016 17: 15
          0
          These platforms fly 10 times faster than the maximum speed of the aircraft carrier, and they themselves can carry aircraft. They also have their own air defense.

          Who will drown whom?
  • zav
    zav 15 July 2016 01: 55
    +1
    The author himself pointed out a surefire way to moderate Uncle Sam’s aggressive fervor, but then he was taken somewhere to the side. Fervor of love (“The Leader of the Redskins” - this is from there) - this is what our opposition to American plans in Europe should be based on. It is necessary by all available means to bring to the notice of the parents of American children (both No. 1 and No. 2) that at present, according to the existing agreement, anti-missiles protect American soil in only one area in the Rocky Mountains, where launching sites for intercontinental missiles aimed at Russia are located. The rest of the territory is open for retaliation, and it would be foolish to doubt that a retaliation would not follow in extreme circumstances. You can supplement the information with photographs of the Japanese affected by the atomic bombing, which, as many Americans mistakenly think, was produced by the USSR. No need to deny. You just have to say that Russia can repeat it.
    It will be cheap (compared to ekranoplans) and cheerful.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 15 July 2016 03: 03
      0
      Quote: zav
      only in one area

      they, unlike the missile defense system of Moscow, did not pull this system
    2. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 16 July 2016 22: 08
      0
      as a result of the atomic bombing, which, as many Americans mistakenly think, was produced by the USSR.
      Americans know who and when and against whom they used nuclear weapons, and moreover, they are proud of it.
      temper Uncle Sam’s aggressive fervor,
      This is a parrot with his nuclear bomb, like Kim the radiant from the DPRK. Did he get well?
      missiles defend American soil in only one area in the Rockies,
      Americans cherish their last trump card-a chance at retaliation and an ace up their sleeve; and the Soviet Union covered Moscow with a pack of partocrats. And who is smarter?
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 16 July 2016 22: 29
        -1
        It was among the Japanese with such knowledge that 10 years ago there was a problem despite the Internet.

        You can sell nuclear and laser Mexico, let it frighten, maybe the USA and its 5 states will probably share it.

        The rockets will start to start from the mines anyway, and this system did not work out for them. The Soviet Union covered the central industrial region. In Moscow alone lives 10 million, Who is smarter - obviously not for you to judge.
        1. Anglorussian
          Anglorussian 16 July 2016 23: 08
          0
          It was among the Japanese with such knowledge that 10 years ago there was a problem despite the Internet.
          Saw a living Japanese? Talked to him?
          covered the central industrial region
          Alternative reality? In conditions of nuclear war, the one who shoots the last state will dare. And without all those adjacent to the Moscow Ring Road, all these enterprises are for memory except.
          Can sell nuclear and laser mexico
          Is that sense of humor? Or the quality of the mind?
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 16 July 2016 23: 21
            0
            Do you care? Even at first I brought condolences and then almost got into a fight about this.

            In your. Such a limited defense is primarily from chance, or from countries in which they do not like goyim.

            A concrete proposal can and should even be presented, although the drug lords have money.
          2. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 16 July 2016 23: 42
            +1
            The missile defense system "Moscow" intercepts much further than beyond the Moscow Ring Road, partially captures the neighboring regions, therefore it is officially called the missile defense system of the Central Industrial Region.
            1. Anglorussian
              Anglorussian 17 July 2016 03: 33
              0
              Missile defense of the Central industrial region.
              Is oil production there also developed? How many steel mills?
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 17 July 2016 03: 44
                0
                Woke up ... well go bomb all the oil fields
              2. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 17 July 2016 03: 58
                0
                about steel makers who are not boutiques, you can immediately see that you are completely out of the "topic"
    3. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 16 July 2016 22: 24
      0
      Quote: zav
      It will be cheap (compared to ekranoplans) and cheerful.

      there can be nothing better and cheaper than ekranoplans for this purpose, for prices, see the bottom ...

      In addition to working along the eastern coast of the United States and the states of Oregon and California (Alaska will get it this way), Okaensky EPs can take advantage of the speed in different directions to attack any AUG anywhere in the ocean with no more than 2 AWACS in the air at a time , that is, even half the perimeter is not covered.
      The sinking of an aircraft carrier or its incapacitation by a fire on it is more than realistic even with an attack by a single ekranoplan, because the ECP can simply bypass these AWACS, detecting them by the radiation of their radar. The ES-2 "Hawkeye" has no speed advantage over the EP ...

      Further, having entered the radius of destruction, the ES launches its aircraft (or RCC) on the aircraft carrier, and at speed simply leaves the range of its carrier-based aviation. After the attack, he again enters the radius to pick up his surviving planes after the attack on the aircraft carrier. Therefore, the ekranoplane is simply not vulnerable to carrier-based aviation, and always has the initiative to attack.

      Tu-22 or Tu-160 can also attack AB, only go near not very far from the coast and suffer terrible losses as they would be without fighter escort.
      EP itself attacks AB with tactical aircraft (fighter), moreover, "airfield", which is more than able to fight the deck, because it surpasses it in flight characteristics.

      At the same time, everyone, even an aircraft-based ekranoplan, is ten times cheaper than an American aircraft carrier.

      Once the American B-36, Soviet TB-3, and American airships carried smaller planes (moreover, the TB-3 was successfully used over heavily covered air defense bridges in Romania, from which conventional bombers did not complete the task before incurring heavy losses), B-747 and An-225 were dragged by Burans and Shuttles, which is why the Ekranoplan, which, as an airplane, is only four times heavier and three times longer than the Mriya (with the same wing span), and two times lighter than the displacement BDK Ivan Gren "is supposedly not real and cannot? Everything is calculated and tested in TsAGI wind tunnels and hydrodynamic pools.
  • Dikson
    Dikson 15 July 2016 06: 34
    0
    ABM, not ABM, but the night before yesterday, ALL the GLONASS group (24 satellites!) Suddenly got lost suddenly ... and the backup didn’t help - it also got lost right away .. And then everything recovered .. Someone in the Pentagon will get the title?
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 15 July 2016 06: 35
      0
      GPS also shuts down, even Iraqis knew how ...
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 15 July 2016 08: 19
    +1
    Personally, I think that agreeing with Cuba, and even buying Cuba, will be much easier, cheaper, and most importantly - more realistic.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 15 July 2016 16: 37
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      More realistic than what?

      Have you heard anything about the Cuban crisis?
  • drunkram
    drunkram 15 July 2016 08: 23
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    What conclusion? you need a normal fleet, you need to develop missile defense based on the experience of creating the best air defense system in the world. Catch up with the aircraft of the adversaries by the number of aircraft, primarily strategic. Take the economy under tight control, build factories for both military and civilian needs.
    Enough probably already to cool and do nothing, since '89 we cool
  • Old26
    Old26 15 July 2016 10: 15
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    Quote: Simpsonian
    perhaps you still forgot to count foreign

    Such shipboard anti-ship missiles can be worn by strategists? Can strategists land on water? The An-225 transporter against the background of the SVVP-2500 somehow does not look. Strategists depend on the weather. The horizon is smaller.

    Do they have anti-ship missiles? Maybe tell me how much and with whom.
    What PKR can strategists carry? the same anti-submarine TU-142 was equipped with 8 X-35 anti-ship missiles. Put now instead of 8 X-35 for example 6 "Onyx". Is there something in the way?
    Strategists can't land on water, and ekranoplanes can refuel in flight? The same "Lun" had a speed of 500 km / h and a range of 2000 km. That is, its combat radius was about 800 km. During the entire "flight" he ate 140 tons of fuel. With this filling, the same TU-142/95 has an intercontinental radius. And besides, it can also refuel repeatedly in the air. Strategists really depend on the weather, but not as much as ekranoplanes. They had a limitation of 2 meters in wave height, which means a wind speed of 8 to 10 m / s. What, strategists don't fly in such a wind? But the ekranoplan cannot take off with such a wave.

    Maybe outwardly the same AN-225 does not look against the background of the VTOL-2500. But An flew, and Bartini's car remained in the "paper projects" section. Even VVA-14 remained in the unrealized section. He was not even released in a small series as "Eaglet" and he did not fly like "Lun".

    Quote: Alisher
    Quote: Old26
    In the Pacific - only in good weather

    I read that the flight of the ekranoplan could go up to five points of excitement at sea, with a wave height of up to two meters. This is not very good weather. But this is a characteristic of a specific model of an ekranoplan, its strength inherent in TK and actually embodied.
    The lower the ekranoplan’s flight, the more economical it is. When designing, you can lay a flight height of 5 - 10 meters, but the size of the wing chord will be no less, and you will probably have to forget about profitability.
    If you need to urgently deliver cargo from the coast in the ocean for 1000-1500 km., Then at a speed of 350 km / h this is 3 - 5 hours of ekranoplan flight. The weather forecast should not change if it is bad - not flyable. In a zone of good weather we fly low, with increasing excitement - we move higher. The main thing is the ability to splash down near the ships, for example, to bring spare parts, doctors, and pick up the wounded.

    Exactly. Efficiency and supporters of ekranoplanes try not to mention. Maybe over time, something will be possible to achieve, increase the range, for example, to reach a radius of action of 1500-2000 km, maybe. But now you are considering a civilian version, and here everyone is about to put on almost any ICBMs on an ekranoplan. So you wrote that the ekranoplan could splash down next to the ship. Could. And if the excitement is such that the wave height is above the allowed limit for take-off? What then? Usually, they consider some specific tasks for them, but only under conditions favorable to the ekranoplan. It may be that under certain conditions it is more profitable to deliver an ekranoplane, but for the most part it loses to both the plane and the ship.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 15 July 2016 17: 10
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      The Germans have several pieces in the Baltic, the RCCs are like all small ones.
      Did you try to compare the carrying capacity of the EP and Tu-95?
      Maybe in flight, or maybe sitting on the water from a tanker or from a submarine.
      Lun is a small ekranoplan, lifts much more than a large Tu-95
      Strategists do not take off at any height. lol
      You are not in the subject, you simply "don't like" them. Or the State Department paid the money for groaning.
      EP is the only real threat with conventional weapons to the east coast (and the west, apart from the state of Alaska).
      Already even VVA-14 as a moon did not detail? laughing
      Do you think this aircraft designer survived he would not have mastered the SVVP-2500?

      He sits down just where there are no such waves, or he needs to be made big. Or, without sitting down, makes a message with a displacement ship by helicopter, tiltrotor or go VTOL.

      EP is a flying boat specialized in screen effect, what did they lose to someone when?
  • Old26
    Old26 15 July 2016 10: 18
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    What do you mean by greenhouses? The storm in the Caspian Sea is no worse than in the Black Sea, hydrogen sulfide, no. And Iran, in addition to the United States itself, is the only country in which there were and is F-14.

    The reference to Iran and its F-14 is not entirely clear. And the greenhouse conditions. Take-off at a wave height of more than 2 meters is prohibited. For example, landing on the shore, if he is in the boulders, he simply can not. If the ground is weak - it will get stuck (landing). So there are many but ...

    Quote: Simpsonian
    Quote: Old26
    ... such will be in demand, but not huge.

    Eaglets seemed to have more of these.

    And were they in demand? Have you at least for all the years of their "exploitation" heard that they participate in exercises, to land troops during such exercises? As an experiment, yes, they could deliver equipment to the shore, but no one said how, being about 20-30 meters from the water's edge, they got to the water.
    And what they are experiencing now, EMNIP is "Burevestnik-24" may really be in demand because of its ability to be used in several guises at once. And again, this is in Yakutia, in specific conditions, at a distance of up to 600 km. He has a load of 6 people or 0,5 tons of cargo. EMNIP piston engines
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 15 July 2016 16: 46
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      Allowable excitement depends on the size of the EA. In the sand is not bogged down. BDK about boulders will not break?

      Yes there were, but weren’t they? Everything is shown about the teachings on YouTube.

      "Burevestnik" is a pseudo-project, the video with its accident was painfully relished.
  • gv2000
    gv2000 15 July 2016 10: 22
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    A nakua they bomb their gas station?
    Yes, and missile defense in geyropa protect VSA from our answers from the Far East? (I know about Ukraine - it’s not a problem).
  • Woodcutter
    Woodcutter 15 July 2016 14: 21
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    Bullshit ... aircraft carriers are expensive, and SUPER heavy and aircraft-based ekranoplanes are cheap or something ...? where is the logic???
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 15 July 2016 16: 38
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      In "details", not just in weight.
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 16 July 2016 05: 38
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        If we proceed only from weight, then aircraft carriers now have a displacement of 11,5 thousand to 107 thousand tons (with nuclear power plants).
        The aircraft-supporting ekranoplan in this article is 2,5 thousand and ordinary airdrome aircraft can fly from it.
        The smallest AB costing 336 m. Dollars more than this EP 4,6 times. The ekranoplanes are built mainly by ship technology, which means it should cost (not at cost) in US rubles no more than 73 million dollars.
        It less what was it worth mend (rather than build) 3 pcs Tu-160 in 2013 for RUR3.4 billion (US $ 103M)
        Who does not like to count in dollars - divide the 5 billion rubles worth of the large landing craft "Ivan Gren" with a displacement of 5000 tons in half = 2,5 billion.
        Now tell me that Russia does not need an aircraft carrier or high-speed ocean transport for this or less money.
        At the same time, due to its own speed, such an EP is incomparably higher in combat efficiency compared to a conventional displacement aircraft carrier, cruiser or landing ship, and when used civilianly as a high-speed transoceanic transport, it has no competitors.
        If you need to get a visa to the USA, Canada or Australia even 1,5-2 times faster - fly with a subsonic Airbus or Boeing, whoever needed it even faster - flew supersonic Concordes ... When using electronic signatures with a much lower ticket price than only the "elite" (the cream of society), such as the one who flew Concordes across the Atlantic, for an ordinary passenger and on a subsonic plane, the price of a ticket to Argentina, Chile, South Africa or Australia is not high now.

        Therefore, it was easier in the USSR for Ludwig Robertovich Bartini in 1974, in spite of his age, to bang and do nothing, limiting himself to the release of some EP "Orlenkok" in a small series so that the people would not have unnecessary questions, as there is no such person - there are no ekranoplanes. Just like with an engineer sobravshimya to build a super-gun "Babylon" for the Iraqis ... Fortunately, he did not live in a closed city (sharazhka), where it would be very difficult to do. Then they also killed many people working on ekranoplanes, etc.

        Moreover, such an EP is not something unrealizable, it is half the size of "Ivan Gren".

        2,5 billion rubles, that is, half of the cost of "Ivan Gren" is for working Russians no more than a dollar or 70 rubles from the nose. Now compare how much you give to swindlers from housing and communal services every month ...
  • Simpsonian
    Simpsonian 16 July 2016 09: 52
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    Even the Eaglet is enough range to fly from the Caspian Sea to the Indian Ocean, not like the Persian Gulf.
    5 Orlenkov with the support of the Su-27 would be enough to capture Bahrain or bring Qatar to its knees, capturing its ports and airfields, which would then be unloaded by the Airborne Forces and the Army.
    From the ekranoplan you can immediately land in large quantities heavy weapons, a transport plane will parachute 1-2 light tanks and that's it. The main 1-2, he can unload only on the already captured strip of the airfield.
    Whether you want American SSBNs in the Indian Ocean or strike the AUG, not just from Lun, but from Eaglet through the gate port on the move, a container with a depth charge or an anti-ship missile is "lost".
    The equipment for the ASG or the magnetic location of the submarine is simply located in the airborne compartment in the container. Buoys are thrown as if from an airplane or a low-cost station is operating. An onboard radar for working on any NK, and so this ekranoplan has.
  • Akela
    Akela 18 July 2016 10: 37
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    Before pulling troops to the borders of Russia, NATO should think: is there a chance to win? 1) Remain without oil and gas 2) they will be cut off by sea transportation, and this is hunger 3) oil and gas storages will be blown up, and how will their armored vehicles advance 4 ) all communications, computers, energy systems, a financial superstructure were destroyed by cyber attacks, because Russia has the best programmers, and in the West scientists are the emigrants of their Russia, they know a lot of secrets 5) Caliber, Iskander rockets 6) a very cold winter as a result of using geotectonic weapons overlaps golfs Rome by raising sea plit.I whatnot .Even without the use of strategic nuclear weapons.
  • Akela
    Akela 18 July 2016 11: 47
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    Indeed, than nobody needs to invest $ 40 billion in the construction of the Nicaraguan Canal, Russia is better off building 40, at least heavy, ekranoplanes with a deadweight of 10 thousand tons at a speed of 600 km / h.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 18 July 2016 12: 11
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      For that kind of money, they could be built more than 250 pieces, but in general the optimal size of electric power is 4 times less = 2,5 thousand tons