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After the Maidan and the coup d'état from Ukraine often come simply unique news. A priori, they should not be believed - before giving a comment, one should thoroughly understand the essence of what is happening. One of the latest news of this kind is the decision to establish the corporation Ukrainian Aircraft Manufacturing Company (UAC), to which all profile enterprises should merge.


As the president, Petro Poroshenko, put it, the task has been set "to turn Ukraine into a world-class aviation player." At the release of the lieutenants of the Kharkov Aviation University, he called the Air Force weapons containment of Russia. What is the real situation with aircraft construction in Ukraine?

Antonov Vatniki

The first domestic-made airplanes appeared in tsarist Russia, but truly mass production aviation technology began in the 30s, when dozens of aircraft factories and hundreds of suppliers were built. The case took such a turn that in 1939 it was decided to create a branch ministry (first - People’s Commissariat) to manage and regulate production processes. This was pushed by the situation in the world and the growing power of aviation technology, which is acquiring truly strategic importance both in military conflicts and in transportation. The ministry, in addition to many enterprises with thousands of employees, also oversaw industry science, without which progress in the aircraft industry is absolutely impossible.

The Soviet Union was then a powerful and unified state, and the Ukrainian SSR is only a component of a large whole, although, it must be admitted, quite important. At the Ukrainian aircraft factories produced aircraft Moscow design bureaus, and the Kiev design bureau them. Antonov was collected at enterprises in Russia and Uzbekistan.

It should be recalled that KB them. Antonova was in Kiev by chance, moving from Novosibirsk to 1952. Nikita Khrushchev played a significant role in the relocation, having headed Ukraine for many years and lobbied for her interests in the Politburo: it was always prestigious to have an aviation company.

Back in Novosibirsk, the team under the leadership of Oleg Antonov created the universal biplane An-2, which immediately received the nickname “Kukuruznik” among the people. This is an unsurpassed masterpiece in simplicity of design, reliability and efficiency - a kind of Kalashnikov machine gun in the field of aviation. It was produced in the USSR, China and Poland, in total more than 18 thousand pieces were manufactured. He is still in service today, and the upgraded version will prolong his flight life for many years.

In 50 – 60, the Antonov-led design bureau focused on transport aircraft, including military aircraft. Real workers of the sky An-8 and An-12, heavyweight An-22 Antey, an unpretentious passenger regional An-24 and its transport variant An-26, still continuing to serve for their intended purpose, were created.

In 70 – 80-s, another significant step was made: the extra-heavy transport aircraft An-124 “Ruslan” and its larger version of the An-225 “Mriya”, which immediately created a real sensation in international aviation shows. However, at this point it is worth making a remark. It turns out that in the competition announced by Minaviaprom, preference was given to the draft design of Myasishchev KB. Their project was more original and had additional features. But some circumstances decided the fate of the super-heavy aircraft in favor of the people of Kiev, and the giant aircraft was assigned to do them. Otherwise, the air ocean would plow a completely different superplane.

On the Russian hump

Antonovtsy still want to praise. In the non-monetary post-Soviet time without state support, they managed to create machines that passed flight tests and got into small-scale production. KB them. Antonova survived and managed to produce new models to the surface: An-38, An-140, An-148 / 158, An-70, that is, she created a full-cycle aircraft manufacturing industry - from idea to transfer to the customer of the finished product. Antonova Airlines, which transported cargoes by Ruslan planes all over the world, helped designers with finance. Its share in the financing of design work periods reached 70 percent.

How to call, so will respond


They earned Ukrainian designers and "on the side", in particular, performing Chinese orders. This concerned, first of all, the modernization of the aircraft manufactured in the People's Republic of China on the basis of the An-12 and An-24. And the biggest order came to the rescue of the design of the new heavy Y-20 aircraft - the firstborn of the Chinese strategic transport aviation, which is currently undergoing flight tests and is preparing for serial production. The characteristic features of the Antonov School of Engineering are clearly visible in his appearance.

Russia in 1990 – 2000-ies in every way pleased Ukraine, considering it as its good neighbor and faithful ally, going towards it in many directions, including in the field of aircraft industry. In particular, the An-70, an absolutely unnecessary Russian air force, was built and tested exclusively on Russian money. It is worth recalling that the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force of that time, Vladimir Mikhailov, spoke out categorically against An-70, convincingly stating that Russia did not need the plane, because it is in the same payload category as IL-76, and it was not brought to mind. He argued his principled position that it was impossible to dissipate the already modest funding into two projects. However, in the Kremlin, someone stubbornly twisted his hands, lobbying for the production of the Ukrainian machine with surprising persistence. At first they planned to produce a plane in Voronezh, then in Ulyanovsk, and then for some reason in Kazan. As a result, did not grow together, from which the aviation industry of Russia only won.

Obviously, also purely for political reasons, to the detriment of oneself, instead of the passenger Tu-334 already flown around in Zhukovsky, at the Voronezh aircraft plant, a similar Ukrainian An-148 was launched into production. The worthy projects of the Tu-230 and Tu-330 transport planes, which were unified on many nodes with the already produced passenger Tu-204 and Tu-214, were destroyed in the vine.

Russian-Ukrainian love in the field of aircraft industry grew and strengthened, although it was distinguished by a certain one-sidedness. The most zealous officials even hatched the idea of ​​incorporating Ukrainian enterprises in the industry into the United Aircraft Building Corporation, which would increase the workload of the plants and, consequently, provide the necessary funding.

Every man for himself

Sobering came very quickly. After the coup d'état, the new authorities in Kiev set a course to break military-technical cooperation in all spheres, including aviation. Russia did not remain in debt.

Due to the refusal of the Ukrainian side to supply components in Samara, the production of the An-140 light passenger aircraft for the needs of the Russian Ministry of Defense was stopped. True, it should be recognized that it was not the most successful and reliable: several years ago the licensed assembly of the same model was stopped in Iran, it was abandoned in Kazakhstan.

The Rossiya airline operated for quite a long time the An-148 collected from us under a license, but last year was forced to suspend their flights due to low reliability and efficiency. The last aircraft of the An-148 / 158 model range (albeit from the Kiev assembly), through the Russian leasing company, went to the DPRK and Cuba. Among our civilian carriers, only Angara Airlines continues to operate these machines. In 2018, the contract with the Ministry of Defense for the supply of fifteen An-148 from the Voronezh aircraft factory is completed. At the assembly of Antonov aircraft we stop.

But the most important thing is that Russia is moving to the creation of exclusively its models. The production of the well-proven modernized IL-76MD-90A has been revived and gradually gaining momentum. In fact, this is a completely new aircraft in the old guise. Production of light-duty vehicles is being prepared - the Il-112 and the passenger Il-114. Russia gradually ceases to depend on Ukraine in the field of aircraft construction and aircraft operation.

And another important point. The competence to maintain the airworthiness of all An-brand aircraft operating in Russia by a presidential decree officially passed to Aviation Complex named after them. Ilyushin ", which specializes in transport aircraft. The biggest problems here arose when extending the airworthiness certificate of super-heavy An-124, when the Ukrainian side actually took a decent amount just for issuing papers, that is, selling air. In other words, now this money has ceased to go to Kiev.

Anti-Russian alternatives

De jure aircraft building corporation in Ukraine created. The case for the aircraft industry. And with him everything is much more complicated. According to this information, having a full-cycle industry, Ukraine plans to build one (!) Aircraft this year.

It should again be recalled that the independent aviation industry does not receive a penny from the state. In the absence of Russian customers, who made generous prepayments and financed the design work, they had to look for alternative sources, but this was not so easy. Protocols on a number of models of Ukrainian aircraft were signed with potential foreign partners, but these documents do not oblige anyone to anything.

For example, it is planned to organize the assembly of transport An-178 in Azerbaijan. Objectively speaking, the task is difficult, given the lack of qualified specialists in this country and, accordingly, of the traditions in the field of aviation, which have been accumulated for decades.

A little later, the same plane was proposed by the Antonov Indians. Those took a pause for reflection, which they have, as practice shows, can last for years. Turkey verbally also showed interest in the aircraft. However, it must be admitted that the world competition in this niche is very great. Such equipment has long been commercially available in the United States, Europe, and Brazil.

A bet is made on a modernized remake of the An-32 aircraft, voiced as An-132. It seems that they are interested in Saudi Arabia and the same India, even the Poles expressed support for the aircraft. But these are only words for now, and only time will tell how things will go.

Another acute problem of the organization of mass production at Ukrainian aircraft factories is their technical backwardness. By equipping them far from most of the Russian, not to mention the foremost type of the Irkutsk enterprise. And without modern equipment not to start mass production. Where to get money is an open question.

Economists estimate that with the existing “seriality” passenger An-148 will exceed at cost the most popular and sold in the world A-320 or B-737 aircraft, which can accommodate twice as many seats and dominate the global transportation market. With such an economy, no airline will dare to replenish its fleet with Antonov aircraft.

The situation with finances was aggravated by the collapse of the global air cargo market. Traffic from China to Europe and America fell particularly sharply. For this reason, the airline Polet has already gone bankrupt in Russia, which had An-124 aircraft in service. "Antonov Airlines" with exactly the same aircraft survived, but significantly reduced revenues and as a result - financing of design work.

The giant transport workers An-124 “Ruslan” and An-225 “Mriya” are of little interest to customers. Already existing fleet of these machines is clearly underused, so it is absurd to talk about the release of new aircraft. Of course, the drowning man is ready to cling to any straw. And there is an idea, when receiving money, to finish the second copy of the An-225, the reserve for which is available at the Kiev aircraft factory. But if anyone is ready today to buy the same “Mriya”, then only China, and only in order to copy the technology and start producing an analogue for its military transport aircraft.

Smack in KB them. Antonov and the creation of a combat fighter. In principle, from a technical point of view, they are quite capable of it, although it is unlikely that he will stand on a par with Russian, American or European. The transporter and the fighter are not the same. But the worst thing is not even that: it will have to be assembled from Western components. And now let's imagine the cost of this aircraft in small-scale production. Today, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine does not have enough money even to repair existing combat aircraft made in the Soviet period. What to say about the new.

The problem is aggravated by the fundamental refusal of Ukrainian aircraft manufacturers to cooperate with Russian suppliers of components. Probably, over time, parts from our country can be replaced by Western counterparts, only they will turn out to be much more expensive. And this will inevitably increase the price of the final product, which in turn will reduce the attractiveness of Ukrainian aircraft for potential buyers.

Time will tell what achievements can be achieved without cooperation with Russia. The prestige of Ukrainian aviation officials, badly undermined by a series of corruption scandals, does not add optimism.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 July 2016 12: 43
    +23
    As President Petro Poroshenko put it, the goal is to "turn Ukraine into a world-class aviation player."

    Ukrokakly has ALREADY become a "world" beggar! laughing ukronatsiki dreams only rich! fellow bully
    1. poquello
      poquello 17 July 2016 12: 48
      +4
      Quote: aszzz888
      As President Petro Poroshenko put it, the goal is to "turn Ukraine into a world-class aviation player."

      Ukrokakly has ALREADY become a "world" beggar! laughing ukronatsiki dreams only rich! fellow bully

      good project, promising cut
      1. cniza
        cniza 17 July 2016 12: 49
        +17
        The Ukraine project will soon be closed, what kind of aircraft industry is there.
        1. 2s1122
          2s1122 17 July 2016 13: 23
          +1
          It will be closed or not it is unknown, but the dough will be sent for sure
          1. svp67
            svp67 17 July 2016 17: 33
            +1
            Quote: 2s1122
            But the dough he sent will be for sure

            Why will it be? He WAS and IS.
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 17 July 2016 13: 01
      +12
      Yes, everything is correct with the author. They entered a wolf pack of international capital, then there are no friends and cannot be. Pure pragmatism, who is who first ... and even apologize for this is not accepted. And regretting the past is romance, albeit very sad. But such is the reality. hi
      1. captain
        captain 17 July 2016 13: 22
        +20
        Svidomye all thoughts richer. Like a proverb; Dumka gets richer. Spoiled their communist times. when at the expense of Russia they raised the national suburbs. they would idolize Lenin. After all, he gave the Russian land to the people and gave it statehood, and they apparently destroy it in gratitude. Good luck, svidomye.
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 17 July 2016 14: 47
          +13
          Here you are right: the Bolsheviks "gave birth" to Ukrainian statehood, and the Maydauns in gratitude to them ...
      2. Lelek
        Lelek 17 July 2016 13: 23
        +14
        Quote: siberalt
        They entered a wolf pack of international capital, then there are no friends and cannot be.


        And with all this, the former Ukraine is rubbish buzzing. Offended by slackness (click):
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 17 July 2016 14: 51
        -7
        Entered a wolf pack of international capital
        Mono think Russia in another flock.
        1. unsinkable
          unsinkable 17 July 2016 15: 15
          +5
          Quote: Gardamir
          Mono think

          Mono, but not nuno. Why are you angry, dear, and even not in the subject of the article. negative
        2. thorns
          thorns 17 July 2016 17: 38
          0
          Quote: Gardamir

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          Entered a wolf pack of international capital Mono think Russia in another pack.

          Slowly getting out
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    3. Lukich
      Lukich 17 July 2016 13: 30
      +6
      Quote: aszzz888
      Ukrokakly has ALREADY become a "world" beggar!

      and a world mockery. another blooper and fantastic nonsense along with the navy and submarine fleet
    4. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 17 July 2016 15: 45
      +7
      "Ukraine plans to build one (!) Plane this year."
      Ah, he won’t build it. Not one, will not build. The only aluminum plant on the outskirts, put into scrap. Keep silent about titanium in general. Etc. etc.
      With whom would one get hammered on cognac? lol
    5. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 18 July 2016 11: 23
      0
      The patient is more likely dead than alive !!!
  2. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 17 July 2016 12: 46
    +19
    Well, sho, sho dumb dumb planes to build! But yak they spayvat .. And so yak jump, yak mustangs ..
    1. poquello
      poquello 17 July 2016 12: 51
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      Well, sho, sho dumb dumb planes to build! But yak they spayvat .. And so yak jump, yak mustangs ..

      here the main thing is - under what to ask for money
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 17 July 2016 13: 31
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      And how to jump, yak mustangs ..

      well, they stink like skunks
    3. PValery53
      PValery53 17 July 2016 20: 49
      +1
      "And don't speak, godfather!"
  3. red_october
    red_october 17 July 2016 12: 46
    +25
    They say that Peter Alekseevich wrote 2 letters to the Turkish leadership yesterday with assurances of support.
    One Erdogan, the second - the military.
    And both asked for money
    I believe this money will be used to "turn Ukraine into a world-class aviation player."
    Nowhere else to go.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 17 July 2016 14: 49
      +2
      Cool picture!
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    3. thorns
      thorns 17 July 2016 17: 47
      -1
      This is a joke. He did not write anything.
      1. chebman
        chebman 17 July 2016 22: 06
        +4
        Googled the word "sarcasm" ...
  4. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 17 July 2016 12: 49
    +7
    They fed ogloed for many years, and fed the enemy. Let the galactic cruisers even build shit of something from straw and shit in ukrointsy - the intergalactic fleet is enough.
    1. Pushkar77
      Pushkar77 17 July 2016 12: 56
      +11
      Yes, I'm just amazed how it was possible to manage to destroy such a scientific and industrial potential. Everything was there, the shipyards where it was possible to build, aircraft carriers and ships of the far sea zone, Antonov's Airplanes, tank building. And how many weapons, scientists and engineers there were. And now the armored boats, which cannot be looked at without laughing.
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 17 July 2016 13: 37
      +7
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      Let the galactic cruisers even build shit of something from straw and shit in ukrointsy - the intergalactic fleet is enough.
  5. Amurets
    Amurets 17 July 2016 12: 53
    +7
    << As President Petro Poroshenko put it, the task is to "turn Ukraine into a world-class aviation player." At the graduation of lieutenants of the Kharkov Aviation University, he called the Air Force a weapon of deterrence for Russia. What is the real situation with aircraft manufacturing in Ukraine? >>
    As I would put it, the administration of the site will not miss. And specifically, Poroshenko's drunken nonsense that Ukraine will start producing airplanes. Rightly the author noted. Without Russia, nothing will work. It's time for Russia to load up its aircraft factories, and not to help the "lads." Let them get out of it themselves.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 17 July 2016 14: 43
      +3
      There is the An-178! Here are just a trifle of 1,32 tons of ballast for alignment behind the cockpit ... Who are they designing? And in the article about the ability to make a fighter, let the theoretical. Motor building without Russia will suffer the same fate.
      To Europe, only to Europe!
    2. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 18 July 2016 11: 31
      +1
      It will turn it into a space power, then into an aviation player, and Svidomo ears will be hung up and believe that he will be asked by the beggar.
  6. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 17 July 2016 12: 53
    +15
    The once serious industry is dying along with the once one of the richest countries in Europe. Well it’s not to work on the Maidan and to arrange Leninopads. And you just had to do nothing - do not spit in the well ...
  7. taseka
    taseka 17 July 2016 12: 56
    0
    At the very beginning of the civil war, they still flew 2 fighter, and now a full kayuk!
  8. Alekseits
    Alekseits 17 July 2016 12: 59
    +1
    Eh ...
    Nothing more to say.
  9. Monos
    Monos 17 July 2016 13: 04
    +26
    I think Ukrainians should start small. To start wearing pants. Ukrainians, no offense.
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 17 July 2016 13: 26
      +3
      Quote: Monos
      Monos


      And what, promising meat for the NATO games (click).
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 17 July 2016 14: 45
      +11
      Quote: Monos
      I think Ukrainians should start small. To start wearing pants. Ukrainians, no offense.
    3. weksha50
      weksha50 17 July 2016 18: 00
      +4
      Quote: Monos
      Ukrainians, no offense.



      What are the future graduates of Kharkov Aviation University?
      1. Krasniy_lis
        Krasniy_lis 18 July 2016 11: 51
        +2
        Quote: weksha50
        What's this

        it is "product by face"
        Actually, as in the second frame laughing
        Suddenly, someone will look at what is being demonstrated and call in Europe to work well or get married (the same applies to the first photo)
    4. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 18 July 2016 15: 13
      +2
      Quote: Monos
      To start wearing pants

      Why wear pants? So they lure Eurogays.
    5. Baloo
      Baloo 18 July 2016 19: 18
      +1
      for export?
  10. Krsk
    Krsk 17 July 2016 13: 05
    +2
    let the pots rivet on their knees aviators, to pick up the whole KB perspective is excellent in my opinion. and so ... let's look at the agony
  11. iouris
    iouris 17 July 2016 13: 13
    +5
    In fact, the potential of the USSR-Russia is being destroyed. In this part of the territory of the USSR-Russia, the probability of another explosion at a nuclear power station is steadily increasing. Most likely it is inevitable. These two problems should be prevented, because you still have to deal with them in emergency mode. But there is one more problem - in the head.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 17 July 2016 14: 21
      0
      Quote: iouris
      the likelihood of another explosion at a nuclear power plant is steadily increasing

      Just reading an article
      https://topwar.ru/98181-v-svyazi-s-avariynoy-situaciey-otklyuchen-1-y-energoblok
      -hmelnickoy-aes.html
  12. sir_obs
    sir_obs 17 July 2016 13: 13
    +10
    As one political scientist said on TV, Uraina is like a sexually-married family, there will never be children, and everyone's ass hurts.
  13. Mercenary
    Mercenary 17 July 2016 13: 14
    +8
    It is terrible at the mere thought that they will go mad and turn to Russia (for the umpteenth time) and we will be forgiven and loyal to the Slavic PEACE. (Political) injections, re-equipment of industry, replacement of worn-out electro (AZES), gas (all rusty pipes), communal, etc. will go again. ad infinitum until the next senility (scammers) miscarriages of Bandera.
    1. SCHWERIN
      SCHWERIN 17 July 2016 14: 52
      +2
      Take it easy. They will not return in the next 50 years. And this topic must be closed
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 17 July 2016 14: 57
      +2
      I agree it will be awful. In principle, this is possible, but under the supervision of the NKVD and personally comrade Yezhov. Beria, contrary to popular myth, was "goody" in comparison with Yezhov
    3. thorns
      thorns 17 July 2016 18: 01
      +1
      They won't go crazy. They are deliberately turned into a "banana republic".
    4. thorns
      thorns 17 July 2016 18: 01
      0
      They won't go crazy. They are deliberately turned into a "banana republic".
  14. Kibl
    Kibl 17 July 2016 13: 22
    +5
    AAAAA !!!!! I got this Ukraine, maybe it’s enough to write about it already, take a break at least for a month !!! Let them cook in their boiler. During this period, you could return to this topic only if the conflict escalated in New Russia .A about the aviation industry of Ukraine it’s not worth writing at all, just wasting your time composing and reading in vain!
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 17 July 2016 15: 24
      0
      AAAAA !!!!! I got this Ukraine, maybe it’s enough to write about it already, take a break at least for a month !!! Let them cook in their boiler. During this period, you could return to this topic only if the conflict escalated in New Russia
      If you do not know, then the conflict in Novorossia has never stopped, especially now it is being fanned with renewed vigor. According to your logic, if you don’t talk about the problem (in particular, about Ukraine), then it does not seem to exist. Like an ostrich, head in the sand, and everything is fine. The problem will not disappear anywhere, on the contrary, if it is left to chance, then it will become even worse. And then it will be necessary to solve two problems already. But the issue with Ukraine does not concern the Ukrainians themselves (everything is clear with them), but it is primarily a problem for Russia, and it will be for her to solve this problem. I don’t understand who didn’t understand it yet.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 17 July 2016 17: 10
        +4
        Quote: Orionvit
        It is primarily a problem of Russia, and it will be for it to solve this problem

        Yes, it’s foolish to deny the obvious, if the entire Western military-political get-together recognizes not only Novorossia, but also 404 the sphere of interests and influence of Russia. Another thing is that this very crowd does not want to put up with it in any way, even though the "Crimean Express" has left and has long been assigned to the Russian depot. hi
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 July 2016 13: 28
    +12
    History teaches nothing. Who needs competitors in gayrope? Especially in such a capital-intensive industry as aircraft construction. Especially the military, but also the civilian ... The leading countries of the European Union DESTROYED more or less live production in ALL "Young Europeans". And Maidania decided that she was so special, they would be rescued. Yes, they were merged as soon as they realized that there would be no military base in Crimea. Everything, the curtain. The rest is agony.
  16. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 17 July 2016 13: 29
    +7
    "Aviation Power" fool . Pots on your head, and then put on Polish-Chinese. Well, Khrushchev, here, um, they’ll banned him. He gave the working bureau to fools.
    Here, the article did not mention the AN-28 undeservedly. In the late 70s - early 80s they were very much expected in the Arctic to replace the AN-2, everyone who was retrained was praised. They didn’t wait, well, I had to push the stub of L-410 into the CMEA framework! And what have you achieved? They killed local airlines, that's all. am
    1. Cook
      Cook 17 July 2016 18: 34
      +1
      Come on, there were enough of them in the North, both in Pevek and Kamchatka. And by the way, the An-28 was only mass-produced in Poland.
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 17 July 2016 20: 12
        +1
        Quote: Cook
        Come on, there were enough of them in the North, both in Pevek and Kamchatka. And by the way, the An-28 was only mass-produced in Poland.


        Not enough. The machine just had to be brought to mind. And put on hydro-skis, and do hydro-skis somewhere in Igarka-Turukhansk, is it a big problem to organize a small factory? No, "tovarischam need help" - for immeasurable loot from Poland, this "high-tech product" was buried, oh, how, CMEA in action.
        I don’t know about the production of the AN-28 in Poland, but if so, then it’s not clear at all - the Polish-Czech stub L-410 was shipped to the north (that's really the pilots spitting, burst my ears!), A single-keel high-wing plane for the North, well, a lot he "fought" there? I didn’t lie next to the AN-2.
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 17 July 2016 19: 42
      +2
      Quote: iliitch
      Here, the article did not mention the AN-28 undeservedly. In the late 70s - early 80s they were very much expected in the Arctic to replace the AN-2, everyone who was retrained was praised. They didn’t wait, well, I had to push the stub of L-410 into the CMEA framework! And what have you achieved? They killed local airlines, that's all.



      Yeah ... A little bit, in small quantities, was used in the Air Force as a postman courier, i.e. communication aircraft ...

      But he, like the An-2, was specially equipped with an airfield and didn’t need a spirit ...
      1. Letnab
        Letnab 21 July 2016 03: 45
        0
        The plane is good, limited take-off and landing areas, load-carrying capacity is excellent, that's just a small illness, God forbid getting the front pillar into a hole or lens ... especially at speed ...
  17. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 17 July 2016 13: 41
    +12
    And why only don pedro hasn’t planned recently:
    and the navy to ward off (or there are admirals, but there are no parades),
    and with amerikos roofing felts to the moon, roofing felts to Mars fly,
    now here is the intention to revive aviation.
    Walks wide, oh wide.
    Or maybe men, are we misunderstanding something? Well, who are we? Ordinary people, and there VNA Ukraine-minds, you can even say, kill .....
    1. poquello
      poquello 17 July 2016 14: 06
      0
      Quote: Kos_kalinki9
      and the navy to ward off (or there are admirals, but there are no parades),
      and with amerikos roofing felts to the moon, roofing felts to Mars fly,
      now here is the intention to revive aviation.

      on Tuesdays they will ask the Navy, on Wednesdays on the submarine, on the revival of aviation on Fridays, two more working days are free
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 17 July 2016 14: 42
        +6
        Quote: poquello

        on Tuesdays they will ask the Navy, on Wednesdays on the submarine, on the revival of aviation on Fridays, two more working days are free

        Well, on Mondays, the pedra has a way out of the peak after the weekend, so there’s no time for requests, if only for a pickle. So this working day can be said to have beenactivated.
        And what about Thursday? Well, in principle, they can ask for this same electricity, which is from the air.
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 17 July 2016 19: 45
        -1
        Quote: poquello
        on Tuesdays they will ask the Navy, on Wednesdays on the submarine, on the revival of aviation on Fridays, two more working days are free



        And for some reason ???

        Well, like Fedi-Smirnov in "Operation Y": "And the compote?" ...

        After all the begging, Gunpowder should, addressing the new prime minister, say: "Study, student!" ...
    2. thorns
      thorns 17 July 2016 18: 14
      0
      Quote: Kos_kalinki9
      Or maybe men, are we misunderstanding something? Well, who are we? Ordinary people, and there VNA Ukraine-minds, you can even say-kill

      Well, what have you done with the miners and locksmiths did not deal with? Although, how can you not understand that the brain is fooling. They play on all the base.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 17 July 2016 20: 18
        +3
        thorns
        Well, what have you done with the miners and locksmiths did not deal with?

        Ek, you said. Well it is necessary to fight. And not in the studio tryndet language, or sitting at home on the couch click on the clave.
        And so, of course, please. You look at Babayan for these experts — a yacht, a carp, a kovtun (I will not list the other pan-and-leg morons), you can immediately see political scientists, experts, experts in capital letters, but what's with the capital letter of the alphabet. Everyone knows. And if you go to the worst censor, you know how much truth about yourself, well, about the great Ukrainians and their achievements in everything, too. All the same, it seems to me that the outskirts are a country of experts, political scientists and analysts, because language does not crack
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  18. VSZMK
    VSZMK 17 July 2016 14: 22
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    According to this information, having a full-cycle industry, Ukraine plans to build one (!) Aircraft this year.
    An-2 probably.
  19. isker
    isker 17 July 2016 14: 54
    +4
    Yes, what pennies, which orders? Take out your ear plugs - the train yes-ah-ah-ah-drove! The aviation industry - disappeared from the territory of 404 - no matter how and no matter what it was amusing and pushing!
    Antonov Design Bureau - can draw at least something for themselves - their right and their power ... but - in the iron, who will do it and on what? Of course, design bureaus do not care about production - the main thing for them - for theirs - to get a tick with a premium ...
    Meanwhile, the stern northern foxes firmly established themselves in the non-stocking one: more than 70% of middle-level executives in the aircraft industry — either in retirement or — have long emigrated to Russia, almost half of them among the directors of aircraft production ...
    So - all this is boltology and / or PR, forget about aviation, as well as about heavy and light industry in general - soy and corn - everything is theirs, but no, I'm lying - still sunflower!
    Therefore - pod your seeds and don’t load your makitra with horse-settlers - it’s better to put a saucepan on your head and - jump - don’t take off, you’ll warm yourself!
  20. Siberian1965
    Siberian1965 17 July 2016 14: 55
    +1
    Quote: Pushkar77
    Dia is simply amazed how it was possible to manage to destroy such scientific and industrial potential. Everything was there, shipyards where it was possible to build, aircraft carriers and ships of the far sea zone, Antonov's Airplanes, tank building. And how many weapons, scientists and engineers there were. And now the armored boats, which you cannot look at without laughing.

    Why do you think it was destroyed. I'm talking about the aircraft industry. It follows from the material that there is something else. It's about good management, setting consistent achievable goals, and, of course, financing. Nothing is impossible. Unfortunately, dill's hatred of Russia is not equal to stupidity and inability to produce a complex product. I hope that the officials and rulers of the "sea diggers" will justify my hopes and everyone sleeps. Here in this action they have no equal, in the sense of communing.
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 17 July 2016 15: 40
      +4
      Quote: Siberian1965
      Nothing is impossible.


      How about SUCH? Well this is necessary, they cannot calculate the centering, a task for a third-year student. With plates they fly, well at least not bricks. No, boys, you and I are not on the way, die yourself.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 July 2016 17: 05
        0
        And what will they do about it - they have chosen the cheapest and easiest way to fix the problem.
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 17 July 2016 19: 48
        0
        Quote: iliitch
        No, boys, you and I are not on the way, die yourself.



        Trousers are somehow strange at the "center" ...

        Either the Gai, or the traffic police, or "GIVE! ...
  21. Khariton
    Khariton 17 July 2016 14: 55
    +1
    Eh Ukrainians ... You merge! Now you’ll plant potatoes ... We’ll shoot the Bandera people, you will receive gas!
  22. atamankko
    atamankko 17 July 2016 14: 56
    +1
    Before you do anything, you need to think, but no one to think.
  23. Monarchist
    Monarchist 17 July 2016 15: 01
    0
    Dumka wealth and hefty happy!
  24. magician
    magician 17 July 2016 15: 07
    +2
    aviation Ukraine? what shisha? they don’t grow piglets, here technology is needed and suppliers of the necessary materials and components. have an assembly plant, super, and from what to assemble? All Europe built Airbus, Boeing, too, was not the only one to build an airplane. There is such a thing as the cooperation of industries, this is how we see such cooperation in Ukraine, then we will think about it. and now, it's just intentions, spoiling the air from the attempts. fellow
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 July 2016 17: 07
      0
      China and Saudi Arabia will invest money, and then maybe the CB will be divided among themselves.
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 17 July 2016 19: 52
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        Quote: Vadim237
        China and Saudi Arabia will invest money, and then maybe the CB will be divided among themselves.



        Money in this situation is not a way out of this situation ...
        To restore ALL the necessary technological chains, we need intelligent personnel - both among scientists, designers, developers, and workers ...

        PS I will not talk about China, however, I doubt very much the ability of the CA to offer something breakthrough, except for money ...
  25. Orionvit
    Orionvit 17 July 2016 15: 13
    +2
    During the whole period of "Nezalezhnosti", Ukraine has not ordered a single aircraft engine from its own manufacturer Motor Sich, 80% of the products were supplied to Russia. There was only an order for the repair of eight helicopters, and that's it. The article is correct, but nothing new. It has been written about this a thousand times.
  26. Zomanus
    Zomanus 17 July 2016 15: 16
    -2
    The article is interesting. It bothers me personally
    that Ukraine still has design bureaus and high-tech industries.
    Of course, they won’t make an airplane, but for Russia, they can do that.
    And I’m not even talking about nuclear power plants, there simply developing a resource will do its dirty deed.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 July 2016 17: 09
      0
      They may not have something to do, they’ll just sell all the design and assembly documentation.
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 17 July 2016 19: 55
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      Of course, they won’t make an airplane, but for Russia, they can do that.



      They have already done it - both for our Navy, and for the VKS-VVS, and for peaceful space and the Strategic Missile Forces ...
      What more?
  27. cedar
    cedar 17 July 2016 16: 41
    -1
    Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
    Well, sho, sho dumb dumb planes to build! But yak they spayvat .. And so yak jump, yak mustangs ..


    "Who are you laughing at? You are laughing at yourself! Oh, you ..."

    Nikolai Vasilyevich Gogol. The tragicomedy "The Inspector ..."
  28. da Vinci
    da Vinci 17 July 2016 17: 44
    -2
    But haven't An 70 been prepared for the An 12 shifts? In my opinion, comparing the An 70 and IL 76 is incorrect! wink
    1. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 18 July 2016 16: 28
      0
      Yes, it seems like no ... the An-12 has a maximum take-off weight of 61 tons, the maximum payload is 21 tons, the An-70 has 135/47 tons, respectively, i.e. more than 2 times ...
  29. weksha50
    weksha50 17 July 2016 17: 57
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    Ukraine’s own navy controls the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, thereby reducing the level of aggression of the Russian fleet against the NATO fleet in them ...

    The most combat-ready army on the continent (!!!) is and is ready to protect poor Europe from Russian aggression ...

    Ready to create a nuclear bomb soon, rocket science - to revive ...

    It remains only to make Ukraine a "world-class aviation player" ....

    Delirium, delirium, delirium ...

    But Antonov Design Bureau-it is a pity ... He has no future without Russia ....
  30. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 17 July 2016 18: 03
    0
    And what do we care about theirs problems.
  31. grandfather Mih
    grandfather Mih 17 July 2016 18: 44
    0
    Which corporations? Ukrofantazm unrealizable. No one is even interested in the army of the outskirts. An embittered and impoverished population will become a good soldier only if there is a powerful industrial base. The production facilities of the 30s Germany and the capital of the Anglo-Saxons were the basis in the preparation of the war. In Ukraine, there is only the possibility of training terrorist gangs on the model of ISIS, or it remains to persecute the Galicians of Avakov, kill Jews and live in slavery with gangs. Such a mosaic in the press and the Internet.
  32. grau
    grau 17 July 2016 19: 23
    +1
    Paper planes here are the future hohlandi air force
  33. PValery53
    PValery53 17 July 2016 21: 11
    0
    It is unfortunate that Russophobic and dependent moods in the once prosperous country of Ukraine
    did their job. Not without the help of external stakeholders. She didn't want to learn from other people's mistakes, let her learn from her own It is very expensive "Hto do not jump, that m-l!"
  34. Leeder
    Leeder 18 July 2016 03: 01
    0
    Quote: iliitch
    do skiing somewhere in Igarka-Turukhansk

    Any production in the north, except for mining, is economically unprofitable.
  35. mamont5
    mamont5 18 July 2016 06: 34
    0
    Regrettably. But already familiar. Dill burned their industry.
  36. akudr48
    akudr48 18 July 2016 13: 46
    +1
    I agree with the picture on Ukrainian aircraft construction. Which a little - and the end.

    If the author also boldly and principally spoke about the state of the Russian civil aircraft industry, then he would not have a price.

    I would answer at least such a simple question as to why over the past 25 years the Russian aircraft fleet has become 95% Boeing and Airbus. And in Soviet times it was 100% from "Tu", "Il", "An".

    And about the price of tickets, and about the number of airports, and about the route coverage of the country, more about this in comparative terms, which would be good for the case.

    And also who exactly is to blame for this, who allowed such a situation. After all, not all of these people have yet escaped, some quite sit on the ground and teach how to love the Motherland ...

    Of course, we believe in both the Superjet and the MC-21, but as the weed grows, the ladybug will die of hunger, folk wisdom says.
  37. VB
    VB 18 July 2016 19: 00
    +1
    It's disgusting to hear about this Bandera evil, let them boil in their own shit. Ours are not there. Someone wrote correctly that ours will not repair tanks at the Kharkov plant, only Judas. Let them all take a break, don't give a damn. This is the enemy.
  38. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 18 July 2016 21: 06
    +1
    However, in the Kremlin, someone stubbornly twisted his hands, lobbying for the production of the Ukrainian machine with surprising perseverance

    It is interesting to know the specific names of these "someone"?
    The trouble is that “someone” promotes the interests of some countries ... “someone” promotes the interests of others, and the Russian people are bent over from different experiments on him.
    "You hang on there ..."
  39. pudelartemon
    pudelartemon 18 July 2016 22: 34
    0
    The designers of the Ukrainian An-178 made a mistake with the alignment of the aircraft
    The developers of the promising Ukrainian An-178 transport aircraft were mistaken in calculating the centering of the aircraft, that is, the position of its center of gravity with respect to the wing, the N + 1 website reports.

    For this reason, the test and distillation flights of the transporter are carried out with an additional ballast weight of a total mass of 1,32 tons.

    Ballast cargo on an airplane is 15 steel plates weighing 85-90 kilograms each. They are stacked in a package behind the cockpit. An error with the calculation of the alignment of the An-178 was found on the first prototype aircraft with the serial number 001 and registration UR-EXP
    As they say, no comment. Died Ukrainian aircraft industry.
  40. ver_
    ver_ 19 July 2016 06: 17
    0
    Quote: Pushkar77
    Yes, I'm just amazed how it was possible to manage to destroy such a scientific and industrial potential. Everything was there, the shipyards where it was possible to build, aircraft carriers and ships of the far sea zone, Antonov's Airplanes, tank building. And how many weapons, scientists and engineers there were. And now the armored boats, which cannot be looked at without laughing.

    What kind of idiocy had to be in order to build all this in Ukraine?
    1. Belousov
      Belousov 19 July 2016 13: 24
      0
      Well, about why Antonov’s design bureau was moved from Novosibirsk to Ukraine and there’s nothing to guess, it’s been known for a long time that it’s Nikita Sergeyevich who tried to turn around in his grave every day ...
    2. Belousov
      Belousov 19 July 2016 13: 24
      0
      Well, about why Antonov’s design bureau was moved from Novosibirsk to Ukraine and there’s nothing to guess, it’s been known for a long time that it’s Nikita Sergeyevich who tried to turn around in his grave every day ...
  41. geologist
    geologist 19 July 2016 13: 55
    -1
    I didn’t have to fly as a passenger on modern An 148, etc., but I remember the older generation with trepidation ... An 2 is a terrible clatter 2 with a little hour (flight Tetyukhe - Vladivostok) without a toilet. Most people with paper bags in their hands ... An-10 - an indescribable feeling of horror, as if you were walled up in a crypt. An-24/26 vile hum and vibration are tolerable only after hundreds of white and half a beer ... Antonov’s planes can be loved as a milestone in life, but flying on them is difficult ...
  42. potapych
    potapych 19 July 2016 16: 41
    0
    On the well-being of Hohland, my head does not hurt at all.
  43. arnulla
    arnulla 19 July 2016 19: 54
    0
    Honestly, I’m not at all troubled by the problems of the Ukrainian aviation industry. It’s all the same to die or die, although it’s really a pity ... I’m more interested in our Russian