Military Review

Underdevelopment Strategies

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Wars are won by a schoolteacher and parish priest, Bismarck said, emphasizing the role of education and the spiritual beginnings in the defense of the Fatherland. The twentieth century has confirmed that victory is forged not only on the battlefields and in the factory workshops, but also in the laboratories of scientists, at scientific seminars, in think tanks. If Soviet engineers and researchers did not cope with space and nuclear projects, the world would be completely different.
The present and future state of Russian science is one of the key factors of national security. Now it is especially relevant - the leaders of many defense enterprises say that for weapons The new generation has no scientific background.


To the question, what are the prospects of Russia in this area, should have been the answer “The strategy of the scientific and technological development of the Russian Federation for the long-term period”. The Ministry of Education announced a competition for the creation of such a document, and, judging by the website of the department, won the Higher School of Economics and the Center for Strategic Research under the leadership of Alexei Kudrin. The project posted on the federal portal http://regulation.gov.ru/ really answers the questions posed, but in its own way. The collapse of the Russian education and the elimination of domestic science will continue. Therefore, the plan of the next “operation against the will of the patient” should be discussed in more detail, especially since we are the very “patient”.

Raw material appendage

In order for science to play an important role in the defense of the country and its economy, the circle of reproduction and innovation must be closed: analysis of problems, development trends and the space of opportunities - goal setting and planning - basic research and training of specialists - applied development - development work, creation of technology - the introduction of goods to the market or the realization of new opportunities in a different way - investing the proceeds from this activity in all elements of the cycle - analysis of problems tends to new situation, etc. In the USSR, the circle of reproduction of innovations was closed in one way, in the USA it was different. In the new Russia, it is open.

The essence of the matter can be explained using a simple analogy. In order for the car to drive, it needs to have a windshield, a navigator and a steering wheel, and a motor and wheels are also needed.

The role of the windshield plays a system of scientific information, allowing you to see where to go. This system has collapsed. For example, the Russian State Library writes 350 foreign scientific journals. If we take into account that Naukovets in 2004 have counted thousands of scientific disciplines in 72, receipts in the RSL are insignificant.

The navigator is the fundamental science and education system. Conventionally, we assume that they cost one ruble. The Minobr, actively taking on the scrapping of both, achieved some success. For example, in 2013, the reform of Medvedev-Golodets-Livanov was implemented, as a result of which the Russian Academy of Sciences took away research institutes and transferred them to the Federal Agency for Scientific Organizations (FANO). This glorious department had to perform economic functions, look after the property transferred to the use of the RAS scientists (buildings, laboratories, test sites, experimental fields). But through the FANO the financing of the institutions went, and whoever pays, he orders the music. Therefore, business executives began to steer scientists and engaged in the merger of institutions. Obviously, to lead was easier. The project under discussion refers to the institutes of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Apparently, the authors of the document are unaware that they no longer exist, and the RAS has become a club of honored professors, a severed head of the hero, with whom Ruslan talked in a Pushkin poem.

The role of the engine is applied science, which, on the basis of knowledge obtained during basic research, offers new technical solutions, creates prototypes, prototypes, etc. It is in this sector that 75 percent of inventions are made, and it costs 10 rubles already. Most of this key sector, which was supposed to be engaged in research and development (R & D), was destroyed in the 90-s. At many large defense enterprises in Russia there are simply no units that are seriously engaged in research. Many of them are now trying to revive the Soviet developments, and probably this is correct when there is no other. But one should not forget that a quarter of a century has passed since Soviet times and the world has not stood still.

The wheels are large high-tech companies. They create reliable, efficient technologies, conduct research and development (OCD), produce products and bring them to the world market. This sector is already 100 rubles. Obviously, the main consumer of technology is industry. In this case, the major role in the global arms market is played by large companies leading OCD, R & D, and sometimes fundamental research. For example, Lockheed has a turnover of 36 billion dollars, which is comparable to half of the defense budget of Russia. Recently, this company has developed a new launch vehicle.

Unfortunately, large high-tech companies have not emerged in Russia during the reforms. Those that are, look much more modest than foreign competitors. In addition, after many years of collapse of our manufacturing industry, they were planted on the “needle” of Western components. The situation is very complicated, requiring effective management, especially considering the defeat of military science.

Underdevelopment Strategies


But the authors of “Strategy” are big optimists. It turns out that we are experiencing a “stage of transition to the innovative development of Russia (2007 - n. Century), characterized by the creation of tools and the implementation of measures aimed at supporting innovative activity. During this period, innovative international development institutes, state-owned companies in knowledge-intensive sectors of the economy were created, world-class research and development support measures in the university sector were strengthened, federal tools and digital infrastructure were formed, implementing unified approaches to the management of government scientific organizations, including Russian universities and institutes Academy of Sciences ... "However, it is not clear why in such cases the share of our Fatherland in the world market of high-tech The output is only 0,3 percent.

The recognition of German Gref, one of the ideologists and organizers of the Russian reforms, which was voiced at the Gaidar forum in 2016, is interesting: “We lost the competition, I must honestly say. This technological enslavement - we were among the countries that lose, in the list of downshifting countries. Countries and people who have managed to adapt on time and invest in it are winners. ”

Under the conditions of the sanctions, the question of import substitution became acute, primarily in the interests of the defense industry. Experts estimate the number of positions to be replaced in the tens of thousands, while the current capabilities of the country allow replacing several hundred per year. So Gref's assessment is much closer to reality than the optimism of the authors of the Strategy.

Another thing is how we came to such a life, turning a technological and scientific superpower into a raw material appendage, a third world country.

Creative Kudrinsky Center

According to the authors of the Strategy, the most important trends affecting national science policy are the so-called big challenges (probably, this is the creative work of the Kudrinsky Center). There are five of them: “the exhaustion of the traditional resources of the socio-economic growth of industrialized countries; slowing the reproduction of the natural environment due to the growth of anthropogenic load; the industrial revolution and the allocation of a limited group of countries with a new technology package; increasing the complexity and reducing the controllability of sociotechnical systems; a demographic transition and a change in a person’s lifestyle. ”

On the one hand, it is nice that our science takes on all global challenges. This is reminiscent of the era of the futurists, the "chairmen of the globe." And on the other hand, somehow it all very much looks like a “new thinking” of the times of Gorbachev’s, which turned out to be thought-provoking.

What are the goals of Russian science, according to the "strategists"? There are four of them: “to ensure the receipt of significant results that respond to the long-term challenges of the development of the global economy (and indeed, the world scale); to function as a single social institute "science - technology - innovation" (it is not clear, but it sounds nice); integrate into the global research and development markets (this is the main thing!); Acquire and maintain leadership in new and actively developing areas of knowledge ”(and what to do with the old ones, the lag in which grew rapidly in the years of no-time?).

In other words, the tasks set by the authors of “Strategy” have nothing to do with the acute problems facing Russia. According to the "strategists", it is difficult to expect any benefit from domestic science. Let him fulfill his decorative functions, dream of global problems and his future greatness, and integrate himself on third roles in “global markets”.

But common sense suggests otherwise. In fact, Russia's military budget in 2014 was 84 billion dollars, in China - 216 billions, in the USA - 610 billions and 950 billions - from NATO as a whole. The hard thing is to defend the Fatherland at a time when opponents spend ten times more on their army and weapons. To successfully cope with this task, we need scientific and technical breakthroughs. Readers of the "MIC" do not need to explain that nuclear weapons in the XXI century is not a panacea. A high-intensity cold war is being waged against Russia, and scientific and technical breakthroughs in the military-industrial complex are a guarantee that it will not turn into a hot one. Science has a lot to do here.

The main opportunities and the greatest risks of the 21st century are likely to be associated with a person, his health, development and the use of creative abilities. Every third scientific work in the world is now performed in the field of medicine. Great success has been achieved. According to the international journal The Lancet, from 1990 to 2013 a year, the total life expectancy in the world has increased by an average of 6,2 a year, and a healthy life (without diseases that significantly reduce its quality) - by 5,4 a year. Unfortunately, Russia is lagging far behind. Our citizens began to live only a year longer on 1,7, and their healthy life was extended by 1,6 years. According to this indicator, Russia is in the 109-th place from 189 countries.

Finally, the new industrialization. With the announcement of sanctions against Russia, the remnants of the new Mind, and the Gaidar paradigm, stating that we will buy everything abroad, and the mantra about the "inevitability of globalization" dissipated overnight. There was a question: what can we do ourselves? Before the sanctions began, in 2013, Russia's imports exceeded 300 billion dollars - the budget of a huge state. It became obvious that the preservation of our sovereignty is connected with import substitution, and it is connected with the new industrialization. And here the role of science is enormous. It is necessary to build factories, revive or create entire industries on a new technological basis. And this is a planning, a strategic forecast ... If domestic science seriously took up the solution of such problems and achieved success, this would be more than enough.

Following the mathematical tradition, we will argue from the opposite. Let us imagine that this is not being done and everything goes approximately as proposed in the “Strategy” under discussion. The backlog from the West, and therefore its dependence on it, will grow even faster than now. The standard of living in comparison with the leading countries will continue to fall. This will prepare the ground for the crisis of the elites and the "orange revolutions", and then the matter of technology.

At a recent meeting with economists at the President of the Russian Federation, Alexei Kudrin put forward a proposal to enter the second and third roles in the world economy. To which Vladimir Putin replied harshly: Russia does not trade in its sovereignty. This fully applies to this “Strategy”, the authors of which do not see Russia in the top league of countries that determine the scientific and technical development of the world. However, there is no alternative - in order to preserve sovereignty, we will have to be the first in many areas of science and technology.

Padded boots

However, we must pay tribute to the developers - the document turned out to be “creative”. Along with the classical liberal mantras there are many curious stories in it.

From the classics: “To transform the research and development sector, the key task of state institutions is changing - the management and administration functions of a network of scientific organizations are minimized, efforts are directed towards developing a regulatory system that provides knowledge that stimulates their development, access to the national and global technology and high-tech market . At the same time, the activities of the authorities are focused on creating high-quality and affordable services necessary for the realization of the creative, intellectual potential of research and development teams. ”

In short, the state should withdraw from science, remove the functions of goal-setting, focus on “services” and “regulation”.

And in the world, the opposite is being done. The countries that are leaders in science and technology development - the USA, Japan, China, Finland, South Korea, Singapore have scientific strategies, set ambitious tasks for scientists and invest huge amounts of money in science (not forgetting to control the results). You can appeal to the experience of the new Russia. There, from where the state "left", degradation began very quickly, which ended in collapse.

My colleagues see in this part of the "Strategy" the incompetence of developers who want to step on the rake again. In my opinion, here is shown the optimism of the doctor and his penchant for research. If the drug did not work nine times in a row, then maybe it will work on the tenth?

Among the implementation mechanisms of the Strategy, a “new simplified system for assigning scientific qualifications based on presenting a set of obtained results and recognizing their significance for the development of science, economics and society directly by leading organizations with state participation exclusively in legal regulation, supervision and maintenance, is proposed ... "

Qualification is not assigned - it is achieved by intense and independent work, so, probably, we are talking about assignment of scientific degrees. According to the "strategists", the state should go and from here ... The Higher Attestation Commission of the USSR was a serious authoritative organization. However, in Yeltsin's times, it was turned into a modest department of the Minobra, which led to the degradation and disintegration of the system of certification of scientific personnel. This collapse is proposed to complete. Obviously, the state should also leave this place, having left everything to the “leader organizations”. It is interesting what dissertation councils will be taken to assess the significance of the “set of results” for the economy and society. It seems to be their business - science, and "economy and society" are on the other side.

Now about the novels. The “Strategy” says a lot about the “openness” and “transparency” of science. For example: “Increasing the transparency of science, the availability of information on the results of research and development, and their large-scale inclusion in educational programs of leading scientific universities contribute to effective interaction with society.”

I note that our weapons are effective primarily because the results of research and development, which were carried out during its creation, remain closed and opaque. And all the competition in the high-tech sector is based on the fact that some companies learn to do what others do not know, and are not eager to share secrets. A bright future has not yet come. And generally it’s somehow undemocratic to deprive a piece of bread of huge intelligence communities interested in our technologies and developments ...

Another finding: “The dominant function of universities is the release of not individual specialists, but interdisciplinary project teams of like-minded people.” Truly everything is new - well forgotten old! This is a brigade method! My father told me that in 30, they tried to teach at school. Who can read - let him read, and assessment - the whole team. Who can count - let him work for everyone. But then this wonderful experiment somehow failed.

There are many other interesting finds in the “Strategy”. There are also “re-export of technologies”, “system of philanthropy”, “collaboration of scientists, engineers and technology entrepreneurs”, “high capitalization of organizations”, “engineering and production consortia”, “formation of the institute of“ main researchers ”,“ branding of territories ”,“ attracting young foreign scientists ”,“ champion companies ”,“ redesign of state programs ”... As you can see, creativity on creativity.

What is the result? Success will be:

“Entering the top ten countries in the global competition rankings for talent;
At least 30 of Russian centers of excellence, universities, Russian territories, high-tech companies are included in the top 100 leaders of relevant international rankings of innovation, scientific and technological development;
growth of funds for research and development from foreign sources ".

Europe will help us! Let's enter the ratings, and everyone will be happy!

At a recent meeting, Army General Makhmut Gareyev complained that there was not a single military man in the leadership of the Military Historical Society of Russia. Apparently, here is the same situation. Judging by the text, “Strategy” was written by economists, financiers, “effective managers”. Probably, this is also natural - science and technology are too serious things to be trusted by those who have an idea about them.

I wondered for a long time what genre to include the discussed “Strategy”. Probably for pornography, in a good, philosophical sense of the word. The classic of postmodern philosophy, Jean Baudrillard, used this term to mean essays that deprive the meaning and meaning of what they describe. If this document is called "Strategy", then where do next?

Nevertheless, I advise readers of the "MIC" not to dismiss this text, which is posted on the federal portal, where you can leave a review. Our society needs feedback. Without it, things will not go better. The science, education and technologies of Russia, directly related to defense and national security, are too serious things to be left to the “strategists” hired by the Ministry of Extraction.
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  1. zart_arn
    zart_arn 14 July 2016 18: 27
    +1
    The solution is simple - a constant GDP growth that is ahead of the global average level, and here, unfortunately, it is small in the literal and figurative sense. laughing
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 14 July 2016 18: 37
      +9
      Qualification is not assigned - it is achieved by hard and independent work,

      Gold words....! In the USSR, most of the big leaders of factories and factories began their "careers" from the lowest levels (auxiliary workers, etc.) There was natural selection ... We still use the result of this system! Even in sports it was like this ... Our education falling apart, but for now we hold on!
      1. cniza
        cniza 14 July 2016 18: 48
        +13
        It is urgent to change the system of secondary education, and promising scientists should take custody of the state, creating all the conditions for them - it seems simple, but there is no system and if we do not create it we will be left hopelessly behind.
        1. poquello
          poquello 14 July 2016 19: 07
          +2
          Quote: cniza
          It is urgent to change the system of secondary education, and promising scientists should take custody of the state, creating all the conditions for them - it seems simple, but there is no system and if we do not create it we will be left hopelessly behind.

          so the crap that Chubais was handed in should carefully monitor both talents and promising ideas, realize them and let talents come true, rather than design severe Chubais bulbs
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 14 July 2016 19: 53
            +3
            Quote: poquello
            so the crap that Chubais was handed in should carefully monitor both talents and promising ideas, realize them and let talents come true, rather than design severe Chubais bulbs

            ... well, without mentioning Red ... of course you can't do it, but oh well ... there are no comrades for the taste and color ... but, according to the article, I have a lot of great questions and a cloud of gloomy conclusions about the "author's commitment" the author "had dinner and breakfast", that his "dance and ordered", such a funny hopak striptease performed by a person of the third kind ... laughing ... and so we went:
            Author: The essence of the matter can be explained using a simple analogy. In order for the car to drive, it needs to have a windshield, a navigator and a steering wheel, and a motor and wheels are also needed.
            ... oops ?! ... windshield and navigator ?! ... ah, sho can't go without them ?! ... the author says no, he won’t go without a windshield, he basically kept the transfer order ... well, now fanfares and carcasses ... well, an engine and wheels are also needed ... that is, which makes it possible to drive a car the author last ... and another main question for the author: ... but what fuel isn’t?, unnecessarily? ... like that, we don’t know about this ... everything is like suckers, we refuel our cars, regularly ... laughing
            Author: The wheels are large high-tech companies. They create reliable, efficient technologies, conduct research and development (OCD), produce products and bring them to the world market. This sector is already 100 rubles. Obviously, the main consumer of technology is industry. In this case, the major role in the global arms market is played by large companies leading OCD, R & D, and sometimes fundamental research. For example, Lockheed has a turnover of 36 billion dollars, which is comparable to half of the defense budget of Russia. Recently, this company has developed a new launch vehicle.
            ... and then Ostap suffered (s), that is, the author ... is this about, you please, dearest ?! ... what kind of launch vehicles are the newest, if they still fly on the Soviet / Russian RD-180s and before 2020, their fate is the same or there is an alternative - babut ... it's a pity that the F-35 has not been cited as an example. .. just a "high-tech R&D product" above the specified corporation ... well, a comparison of Lockheed turnover and the military budget of the RF Ministry of Defense - it's five that's yes ... laughing
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 14 July 2016 20: 08
              +4
              ... continue:
              Unfortunately, large high-tech companies during the reforms in Russia did not arise.

              ... existing corporations in the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation:
              - United Aircraft
              - United engine
              - United shipbuilding
              - Helicopters of Russia
              - Tactical weapons
              - United instrument-making
              - KRET
              - Almaz-Antey
              ... and a dozen more ... but judging by the author's account, he does not triple that they are all state-owned! ... enter Rostec ... the author’s delirium on the face ... hi
              Those that are look much more modest than foreign competitors.

              ... oh? Almaz-Antey ... Patriot and S-400 ... so who is more modest? ... the result of the work determines the significance ... hi
              In addition, after many years of collapse of our manufacturing industry, they were put on the “needle” of Western components.
              ... after the above, it’s just possible not to comment ... author’s paranoia ... laughing
              The situation is very complicated, requiring effective management, especially when you consider the defeat of military science.
              ... we have already examined above that the author has a rout in his head, which is critical for an individual. Homo Sapiens is a reasonable person ... laughing
              ... well, to make the liberal / pro-democratic brew more urgent it is necessary to sprinkle it abundantly with Kudrin and Gref, how can you do without such basic spices, you can add Medvedev, Ulyukaev, Mutko and Nabiulina to your taste ... and some there to season with a strategy that no one had heard of ... laughing
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 14 July 2016 20: 58
                +9
                Have you seen a lot of our Russian equipment? I myself work on Soviet machines of the 70's. From nova - only import. And about C-400, ask Opus what the filling is.
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 14 July 2016 22: 37
                  +4
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Have you seen a lot of our Russian equipment?

                  ... PKF "Stankoservice" Ryazan, attached, 6 m by 1,8 m with an accuracy of 10 microns ...
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  I myself work on Soviet machines of the 70s. From nova - only import.
                  ... a depreciation period of at least 25 years or an accuracy tolerance allows either questions to production management, and especially delivers "unknown enterprise" located in an "unknown location" ... https://cont.ws/post/241230 ... part three, the first two can be easily found from the author ... hi
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  And about the S-400, ask Opus what the filling is.

                  ... is not the ultimate truth ... but, especially after his meteorological radar began to see plasma, the "All-Seeing Eye of Sauron", damn it ... well, a thunderstorm front, I can still understand that ... the rest from the evil one ... laughing
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 14 July 2016 23: 27
                    +4
                    Yeah, I worked at one of the electrical enterprises, so they bought all the wires in China. And to the winding - too. And if you just go outside and look at what kind of cars do road workers work? All Honda, but Hitachi. I recently saw Belarus, you won’t believe it, I was delighted, although I don’t really like MMZ (purely for technical reasons, not for political reasons).
                    Quote: Inok10
                    is not true in the last resort.

                    But, for some reason, I believe Anton. hi
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 15 July 2016 02: 16
                      +1
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Yeah, I worked at one of the electrical enterprises, so they bought all the wires in China.

                      and sho? I worked on another, all the wires are domestic
              2. sa-ag
                sa-ag 15 July 2016 07: 53
                0
                Quote: Inok10
                - Helicopters of Russia

                Arabs sold
            2. poquello
              poquello 14 July 2016 20: 40
              +1
              Quote: Inok10
              ... well, without mentioning the Redhead ... of course you can’t do it,

              and what not to mention, I’m not in my favorite context here, that he, the tsar and Gorbachev destroyed the country, and Rusnano’s specific tasks
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 14 July 2016 22: 44
                +4
                Quote: poquello
                and what not to mention, I’m not in my favorite context here, that he, the tsar and Gorbachev destroyed the country, and Rusnano’s specific tasks

                ... my account will be the first, in line ... with OAO RAO ES ... and what do you propose to me to remember it in every "topical" article ?! ... dismiss such bad manners, the time will come and skillful hands will reach it and not every pathologist will then put together this puzzle ... laughing
                1. poquello
                  poquello 15 July 2016 02: 20
                  0
                  Quote: Inok10
                  ... my account will be the first, in line ... also with RAO ES

                  this is when he told how cheap electricity would be
                  ))))))))))
        2. Damask
          Damask 14 July 2016 19: 29
          +4
          We need to change all power, all leadership, otherwise they drove into our heads that there is no one except clowns
          1. poquello
            poquello 14 July 2016 19: 54
            -1
            Quote: Damask
            We need to change all power, all leadership, otherwise they drove into our heads that there is no one except clowns

            You would call your clowns to begin with.
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 15 July 2016 00: 48
              +2
              Quote: poquello

              You would call your clowns to begin with.

              While only yours are in the arena, the parade is allah, damn it, and they are unparalleled in clowning skills.
              "you hold on here, good mood and health to you" is the hit of the season or about "cellists", how Mother Russia is holding on to them.
              Only your circus is not funny, but life-threatening, I would like it to close or close by the 17th.
              1. poquello
                poquello 15 July 2016 02: 14
                +1
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                While only yours are in the arena,

                yah? on TV clowns of all sorts, including the usual problem with eggs in dancing
      2. zart_arn
        zart_arn 14 July 2016 18: 51
        +3
        In the USSR, most of the major leaders of plants and factories began their "careers" from the lowest steps
        This is absolutely true and not only in the USSR. The main thing here is motivation and self-motivation. As they used to say in the USSR - "Being determines consciousness." What are the current prospects for "being" in the sectors of the economy that determine the growth of the country's GDP? That's right, very ghostly and foggy, but life is such a thing - it teaches people to be pragmatists, really looking at the prospects. If "Being" is promising in production, education, science, there will be results.
      3. -Barbarian-
        -Barbarian- 14 July 2016 19: 29
        +6
        “The state should leave most sectors of the economy,” said Arkady Dvorkovich, assistant to the president of the Russian Federation.
        "The state must leave the aviation industry." Herman Gref.
        “The state must leave the media, leave completely - not formally, but really.” Vladimir Pozner
        "The state should leave the business." Alexey Kudrin.
        "The state must leave small business." Vitaly Milonov.
        “The state should leave the social sphere:“ Private traders will do better! ” Alexander Pochinok.
        “The state should more actively leave the economy. The market will handle it there, ”says Alexei Kudrin.
        "The state must leave the economy, education, health, culture, agriculture." Dmitry Medvedev.
        Putin called for "minimizing government intervention in the real economy."

        In short, the "zaslanets" sits on the "zaslanets" and drives them with the "zaslanets". And they hold us for, deciding that we will "grab" this too and will not frown.

        Well, for comparison, Lukashenko’s words: “The state cannot leave the economy and should not.”
        So maybe we’ll call the owner, and not those who can’t cope with the tasks for which they were chosen (appointed). Do not know how - go out!
        1. poquello
          poquello 14 July 2016 19: 59
          +7
          Quote: -Barbar-
          Well, to compare the words of Lukashenko

          nda, Belarus as an example of a leading world economy
          1. -Barbarian-
            -Barbarian- 14 July 2016 20: 47
            +2
            I will probably surprise you, but Russia is certainly not a "beacon of the world" in terms of economics. As, however, and for any other indicators.
            Russia and Belarus have emerged from the same root. From the USSR. And there they have kept what we have already finished drinking and eating. And if you do not see the subsidence of our economy in all sectors, except for the defense industry (and even then not all), then you apparently live in another country, which is certainly the "leading economy in the world" ...
            1. poquello
              poquello 14 July 2016 22: 05
              +1
              may not be a light, but it is clearly not worth comparing, and do not sculpt ears from a donkey to a kolobok - if there is a subsidence, it is connected with bourgeois pressure, and not eating and drinking, the economy which is "to shreds" is now completing its turn and will grow
              1. -Barbarian-
                -Barbarian- 14 July 2016 22: 53
                +1
                I’m not a sculptor :) I don’t do modeling courses ... so don’t take the conversation away.
                1. I didn’t have a task to compare economies; it was your attempt to hint at this. It was about the approaches and tasks of senior management. The decision of the power vertical, starting with Gaidar, to leave almost all sectors dooms our country to stay among the third-rate countries. Without a chance to jerk (unless of course you tear your navel and deny yourself everything).
                2. We are eating the rest, because we are not doing anything new and competitive (again, excluding the military commissar, and even then not all). Our share in the global market is 0,3%.
                3. The economy cannot be torn to shreds, unless we ourselves have undermined it. And our guarantors and the company have been dealing with this "case" for 27 years. I'll probably tell you one more secret. if we had a strong ECONOMY, no pressure could bring it to the state of "shreds". And we were pushed once, the second ... and we saw the BOTTOM! Which we have successfully struck and we are flying lower and lower. And the assurances of Genosse Ulyukaev are no longer possible to believe.
                4. You probably visit shops. Prices increased by 40-50%. and this is not just due to "pressure from the bourgeoisie", but one of the stages of a systemic crisis. The fact that the ruble was twice devalued by the hands of the government and the central bank also fits nicely here.
                5. You know, when the economy is going down, no matter how hard someone tries to "turn around," nothing will come of it simply because there is no SUPPORT from which to push off. I might call the "defense industry" a pillar, but the trouble is they are keeping everything secret in the bud and their technologies will go into free circulation oh, how long it will take.
                6. The fact that you still have faith in a "miracle" is good, but under the "pressure of the bourgeoisie" it's time to start looking at things realistically.
                1. Starik72
                  Starik72 15 July 2016 00: 26
                  -1
                  Moderators: Could you, with comment ratings, be chemical? I put BARBARA PLUS, and the previous score is ZERO. Brothers, but YOU did not notice such a feature. True, the moderators justify themselves by saying that at the same time someone else is giving an assessment. Does bias play a role here? One commentator likes the other. Sincerely.
                2. poquello
                  poquello 15 July 2016 02: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: -Barbar-
                  I had no problem comparing economies,

                  okay, it's time to quote and adopt Vasya Tapochkin's experience, you are not a sculptor, you sculpted, stuck lies on 6 points, the impression is that saying "we" is about another country
                  1. -Barbarian-
                    -Barbarian- 15 July 2016 03: 49
                    +2
                    I see you and Vasya Pupkin are doing pretty well :)
                    Before affirming or blaming anything, I ask for evidence.
                    We will discuss regions in debt as in silk, medicine, education, toll roads, the struggle for the "domestic", the drop in traffic ...
                    I'll tell you straight, since the hints don't get through. You live in another country because your ego is greatly overestimated (I would even say the complex was formed - pseudo-patriotic) and there are such big rose-colored glasses that "show" you only what you would like, and not what is in reality.
                    You are the product of the processing that the authorities conduct. They flog us about improvements, but in reality, money is getting cheaper and incomes have decreased. They shout at us from all angles - we are on the rise, and reality again shows us the bottom of the bottom ... another.
                    So calm your hot self and stop carrying nonsense and blame it on lies. And then it seems that the term hopelessness is very close to you.
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 15 July 2016 20: 01
                      0
                      Quote: -Barbar-
                      Before affirming or blaming anything, I ask for evidence.

                      here before stating something, I ask with evidence, otherwise you look like a balabol, it is not clear where he got his six points from
                      Quote: -Barbar-
                      Prices rose 40-50%

                      I strainedly thought what of what I buy increased in price by 40%, yeah - Kokakola, and here it’s a mistake - summer is in the yard
                      1. -Barbarian-
                        -Barbarian- 16 July 2016 00: 08
                        +1
                        I give him the numbers, but he throws me a glove ... You are a strange person. At least their data would be at a loss, and not reproaches.
                        But if you buy only Coca-Cola .. then it’s clear ..

                        And this is only for products, without utilities and gasoline, and for them there has never been a reduction in price.
                      2. -Barbarian-
                        -Barbarian- 16 July 2016 00: 12
                        +1
                        And here is such an index. I think on the calculator you can add the growth over the years.
                      3. poquello
                        poquello 16 July 2016 10: 55
                        0
                        Quote: -Barbar-
                        I give him the numbers, but he throws me a glove ... You are a strange person. At least their data would be at a loss, and not reproaches.
                        ...

                        would look that post
                        2013-2015
                        pork 219-282
                        hens 109-134
                        oil 80-96
                        etc. where 40%
                        about bread all in a bunch, specifically "cut" has grown from 24 per piece. up to 29, what is there for bread and so on the statistics raised me not interested
                      4. -Barbarian-
                        -Barbarian- 16 July 2016 20: 21
                        0
                        You have good points! Well I say, they see only what they want.
                        In the picture, not only 2013-2015, there are 4 more years "lost". Although after your words: "what is there for bread and so forth, the statistics raised me not interested" I somehow begin to doubt the adequacy ... request Let me remind you, for clarity, I'm talking about a systemic crisis, which began its active phase with 2008. Then the start is already clearly falling, although Rosstat is doing everything it can to confuse by submitting data in different sections (apparently, so that the authorities did not get too hot).
                        You may not be interested in such "little things", your choice, but you can't see the trends .... you should try ...
                        I will not argue with you anymore, since I see no reason to shake the air.
                        Shl. I don’t buy sliced ​​(loaf), but I take white "brick" bread. So, in addition to the fact that it decreased in volume from 950 grams. with the collapse of the USSR up to 450-500 gr. current. So they also chemistry with the composition in full, doing not according to GOST, but according to the technical conditions (TU) of the enterprise (naturally in their favor). So its price has grown in the Tyumen region since 2009 at a price of 26-27 rubles. for a loaf up to 39,5 - 43 rubles. by now. The data comes from a financial program that we run for ourselves. I think you can calculate the percentage. Do not forget about the depreciation of the ruble (almost 2 times) and the amazing "shrinkage" of the loaf.
                        I wish you well. hi
          2. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 15 July 2016 00: 53
            +2
            Quote: poquello
            an economy that is "in tatters" is now completing a reversal and will begin to grow

            Yeah, only interest on loans, taxes, utilities tariffs, energy prices, transportation, and life and death itself will go up.
            and the rest of the "hut" reversal back to the people will turn out.
            By the way, do your miniski not hurt?
            And you explain clearly that if it weren’t for those foreign bourgeois who don’t give us life, we would live with our own like cheese in butter.
            One word in Horned horns surrounded us and they ruin us all of them, these reptiles are gad.
            1. poquello
              poquello 15 July 2016 02: 44
              -2
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              Yeah, only interest on loans, taxes, utilities tariffs, energy prices, transportation, and life itself will go up

              Do you have an economy and a sweet life?
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 14 July 2016 22: 10
      0
      Quote: -Barbar-
      “The state should leave most sectors of the economy,” said Arkady Dvorkovich, assistant to the president of the Russian Federation.

      According to the text sogdlsen. According to the picture -NO !!!
      Stalin had groundwork for a breakthrough Sikorsky plane, Stalin had RussoBalt. Energy is Yes, only Russia didn’t lose it even under EBN (Kinder surprise is not in vain eating a bun with caviar and losing hair).
      Stalin did not have a world brand of 21 Volga and Putin does not.
      I don’t know about tractors hi
      1. -Barbarian-
        -Barbarian- 14 July 2016 23: 19
        +4
        Well, why so emotional :)
        If you recall the story, then science and inventors have always been. So there was someone to rely on at any time. For any systems.
        However, how this or that system will manage them - that’s where the lock is!
        You mentioned Russobalt. The whole automotive industry was founded on the basis of these developments. And we were not talking about world brands (although there was "Victory") in those years, it was about how to saturate the national economy with automotive equipment as soon as possible. And Comrade Stalin did it successfully. Unlike Putin, who had at his fingertips developments in various types of vehicles and a bunch of factories, by now he was left with practically only screwdriver assembly factories. And on our roads there is a massive dominance of imported vehicles. With this fact, I hope you will not argue.
        The aircraft industry is a separate topic, but the story is the same - having luggage in dozens of design bureaus and factories, the current "rulers" have just launched civilian options (we will not touch the "military commissar", since they are not actually used in civilian life) SuperJet (damn it by the imported name ..) which they don't really want to buy: (and the recently shown prototype of the MC. Until that moment, our country did not even try to put into operation developments from the same defense industry. And therefore we did not have our own medium and long-haul aircraft. Although you will agree that they could.
        Tractors are generally "the talk of the town". At these factories we make anything (tanks, for example), but not tractors.
        Energy we have a strange "girlfriend". We sell it to China for a cheap price, and we let it go to ours at a higher price. Although, as we recently mentioned, there are 3 or 4 unused nuclear power plants that could saturate the market to such an extent that it would be profitable for us to launch energy-intensive production. However, our authorities, apparently, do not see any prospects in this. The liquidity is not the same :)
        1. Anglorussian
          Anglorussian 15 July 2016 05: 19
          +1
          on our roads, the massive dominance of imported equipment
          It is for her that Russians vote in rubles. Proudly declaring that this is "real japan" or "germany".
          1. poquello
            poquello 15 July 2016 20: 24
            0
            Quote: Anglorussian
            on our roads, the massive dominance of imported equipment
            It is for her that Russians vote in rubles. Proudly declaring that this is "real japan" or "germany".

            + well put
    3. BastaKarapuzik And
      BastaKarapuzik And 14 July 2016 22: 54
      +3
      You say "assholes"? If it was that simple. Here I completely agree with Vaserman, the problem is not in individual "Nabibulins", the problem is in the dominant ideology, which affects a very significant part of society. Well, it didn’t let many more, didn’t let go. If the forums on the Internet are full of such "zaslanets", why shouldn't they sit in the government and the Duma? They sit as they sit. But as they say in one well-known parable, about Stalin, I have no other government for you!

      And your picture is slanderous. Purely for example, energy is still working, why the red X? Putin did his best to ensure that these red crosses turn into green checkmarks back. Which, by and large, is the merit of the people. Both in the 40s and 2000s.

      Why from sick to healthy? The Union collapsed Gorbachev with his comrades. And big complaints to the previous rulers of the USSR, well, they raised not one GENERATION of young people oriented to the West. Is not it fatty Red Cross? How did it happen? This is a huge failure and we are reaping its benefits.
      1. -Barbarian-
        -Barbarian- 14 July 2016 23: 52
        +4
        I wonder why most of the participants on the site and pulls to turn everything into stamps ?! And I want to sound so loud .. :)
        I'm not going to slander, just above you can get acquainted with my opinion about energy. But your slip of the tongue about "bye" directly hints that since she is still breathing, then they say this is not a 100% hit, so to speak, not a complete failure, but so-so ... And, therefore, the Picture is a lie and slander.
        "The genuinely Bolshevik system of selection and placement of personnel that existed in those years led to the fact that the most talented and professionally trained people who performed according to the current
        impossible things, literally miracles. ON. Voznesensky, A.N. Kosygin, D.F. Ustinov, V.A. Malyshev, I.F. Tevosyan, B.L. Vannikov, A.I. Shakhurin, N.S. Patolichev - I list only a few, they all had outstanding abilities and talents and, importantly, occupied the highest
        posts in the prime of life. Under Stalin, the Soviet government was almost the youngest in the world by age. For example, I was appointed People's Commissar of Agriculture of the USSR for 35 years, and
        this was not the exception, but rather the rule. Most of the people's commissars were about that age, even younger, and many secretaries of regional party committees at that time were barely over 30 years old. The slogan "Young people everywhere are dear to us" in the 30s and 40s. consistently, with iron persistence and firmness, life was pursued. Having started my work in an agricultural institution as a very young man, I was firmly convinced that all success in the service depends solely on my personal merits and efforts, and not on the prevailing conjuncture or the intercession of influential relatives. Like many of my peers, I knew that if I showed myself properly in practice, then I would not be allowed to sit still, they would not allow me to “serve” one rank after another for many years, wasting the energy and pressure of youth on shifting stationery, but immediately they will give the way, "move" through several steps "up", to where they act and decide. "IA Benediktov About Stalin and Khrushchev.
        Compare with today's picture in the government. These are clans. And that's it. And in the clans it’s not up to the choice of candidates, there would be their own ...
        I will surprise you, but in fact, even though the humpback and the radishes from the rural fields, were destroyed by Yeltsin and his comrades, who are still sitting in grain places (except for those who "escaped" before the trial). As Chubais used to say, "But don't worry - we are destroying communism this way." Say, we do not love him much. We ourselves cannot explain why, but we just hate it hard. Although there seems to be nothing for that: he raised us, taught us for free, took us up the social elevator. But we still hate it. Apparently, this is our fate. So we will destroy it. Well, if you turn up under a hot hand, do not blame me. The forest is being cut down - the chips are flying.
        I'm wondering, have you counted only 1 generation? It's strange, I've stopped at three so far (the "sixties" are mostly in power, people of 80-90 who don't trust anyone and today's youth, dulled by the government, which makes them "not creators, but consumers")
        "After all, even if we are sure of ourselves,
        We will never creep into this world:
        We were declared generation lost
        As if having crossed out of life without a trace.
        ...
        Allure frenzied carries away the familiar.
        And we know: there will be time to speed up your running.
        Between generations, our tribe is borderline.
        We are lost.
        And we have nothing to lose!
        In the subject line something. If you lost one, then you can restore the status quo only through 3 of the next generations. And then if you work hard on it.
        And as for the fat crosses, I agree, only there are much more of them than we managed to discuss.
        1. BastaKarapuzik And
          BastaKarapuzik And 15 July 2016 01: 48
          +1
          A little more carefully, I wrote- not one generation.

          There are a lot of fatty minuses. Yes, young people's commissars, and then Khrushchev comes to power. The transfer of power, careful, from hand to hand, was not made. And almost immediately they began to break the foundations of the state, which, in fact, many people in Russia did before the revolution and after. Too much tension, many contradictions, great internal opposition. What did this lead to? To the complete denial of all the merits and advantages of the victorious country’s position won with such difficulty.

          since she is still breathing, then they say this is not a 100% hit, so to speak, not a complete failure, but so-so ...

          The picture shows a red cross and a photo of Putin, what else is it? misrepresentation?

          in fact, though hunchbacked and radish from rural fields, Yeltsin and his comrades, who are still sitting in bread places, were ruined

          Yeltsin, Gorbachev, and other "comrades" are equally immigrants from the former Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

          Of all the rulers of the USSR and the Communist Party, Stalin was the exception rather than the rule. It is no coincidence that many call it the actual counter-revolutionary. The rest were only engaged in conditional eating of the advantages gained before them. The apogee of this process is Gorbachev, Yeltsin and the company. Moreover, they received the country, unlike Stalin, not after the civil war and revolution.

          The late 90s, although not post-war, are the consequences of the collapse of the country. After blows of such force, you can not get up at all. And also, a grandiose chaos in the heads. All these "Gaidar-Chubais", aren't they the fruit of their era? Maniacal adherence to the mythical self-regulation of the economy and blind, thoughtless copying of the Western, despite the obvious harm to the foundations of the state, does not this seem like an early comic- we will destroy the whole world of violence, to the ground, and then..? These (Chubais) are the same revolutionaries who can do nothing but destruction.

          But the situation is changing, if in the 90s, such as the mentioned head of RossNano, made up almost 100% of the government, today they are not even in the majority, (although they can also be harmful, to the best of abilities) And most importantly, there has been a revolution in the consciousness of the masses ! Young people no longer bow to the West, as was the case during the sunset of the Union. Isn't that a plus? The situation with Crimea and sanctions gives the country an excellent chance.

          But please, do not pour water on the enemy’s mill! Well, how much can you !?
          We still "lacked" internal non-constructive opposition, people with convictions who would seem interested in the revival of Russia, but in reality, unconsciously turning the millstone in the other direction.

          Zakharova spoke out very well, if before the Western countries played subtly and the consequences of this game were designed for decades, now they have all the lies sewn with white thread. Many people open their eyes, people begin to understand who is a friend and who is the enemy. And it’s no coincidence that the West plays so rudely, they also don’t have time for subtle moves, the situation does not allow it, the crisis!

          Thank you for attention.
          1. -Barbarian-
            -Barbarian- 15 July 2016 04: 25
            0
            In the picture there is a red cross and Putin’s photo, what else is this than a distortion of facts?

            1. Tell me, is it true that Putin's photograph removes sins? It just sounded so pathetic. That straight, I decided to take a closer look - is there a halo on his head ?! I repeat once again, against the background of Stalin's activities, the "works" of the guarantor are dragged out for a period in the Gulag. During the reign of him and the Ozerki company, they achieved only the collapse and redistribution of the remnants into their vast pockets.
            Money from the country, against the background of "such" the ruling elite, simply all accelerate their run, so much so that soon the "ceiling" in the schedules will be broken.
            2. Clans don't change ... history lessons. Just castling. They do not punish their own, since everyone is tied. So do not talk about youth. She is studying at the top. How to cheat your neighbor, how to cheat, or even just lie. And the fact that there is not much reverence for the West is certainly a plus, but the fact that society has atomized in the end is a fact.
            Calm down your nerves, it's not about enemies ... They are enemies for that, that they are constantly plotting something against us. After all, I said that the fish rots from the head, not from the west ... And if you look around and see that the state is trying with all its might to give up "non-core assets", hiding behind various beautiful words. You will see the pipes in the houses that need to be replaced for a long time, the houses themselves, which need to be demolished and new ones built, because all the deadlines are already running out and therefore let the residents themselves take care of this, the roads that are easier to give piece by piece to private hands than to repair them normally without cuts ... etc.
            So the enemies are already here, only they are their own and they know how to behave with the Slavs, doing everything very slowly, so that this does not rush into the eyes. And they get it! So Masha correctly said, only the word west needs to be replaced, and here comes the Russian picture, in which 3 has been slowly stagnating for a decade.
            And these are my conclusions, based not on the data of the "regional committee" but on history, observations, analysis of the situation and just common sense.
            And I also want to live in the Great Country, however, the opposite situation turns out to be true. And when all of a sudden (we always ALWAYS) wake up and see the next demolition of the state, let them not be surprised, because during the stagnation, by their natural essence, they simply did not notice negative factors.
            Well, the last, the absolute majority that the feeder now has, there were also those who were under the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, who were yanking in the Komsomol ... And with the collapse they had more information and a chance to poke a slip. And then Bach! and you are the owner of Factories, Newspapers, Steamboats. Last year I saw one nice little video file, where the current guarantor and company are waiting for the election results, in my opinion. So, almost everyone is now also getting rich richer, while the country is poor. Funny coincidence, right ?!
            1. BastaKarapuzik And
              BastaKarapuzik And 15 July 2016 12: 52
              +1
              against the background of Stalin's activities, the "works" of the guarantor are dragged out for a period in the Gulag

              The works of Ulyanov-Lenin are also dragged out for a period. Who's there next? Khrushchev? This one even without talking. Brezhnev? The youth missed it, did not prepare the receiver, so there too. Gorbachev, Yeltsin, well, everything is clear with them. Here it would be possible to add "figures" from the Union Republics, but the list is long. Joseph Stalin himself, others, too, with pleasure, would be exiled somewhere.
              So maybe, all the same, enough?
              It's time, it's time to bury the ax of the civil war. This is a destructive path, it leads nowhere.
              Maybe things should be done so that the next ruler doesn’t make a 360-degree turn and doesn’t begin to denigrate his predecessor?
              Putin's merit is the preservation of the federation, for there was a real threat of collapse. This would not have been possible without the consolidation of all sound, patriotic forces. Maintaining controlling stakes in strategic enterprises for the state, etc., etc. The main thing is the acquisition of Russia's sovereignty, which it has practically lost due to the stupidity of previous generations of the political elite. Not until the end it can be restored, yet, but after all, the Germans were driven from Moscow for many years. And how much more did you have to restore the ruins?

              So, almost everyone is now also getting rich richer, while the country is poor.

              In Russia, the role of the state has always been important, at all levels. Yes, simply because without a unifying role, initially, of course, the autocracy and the country would not exist as such. Without Orthodoxy, the same thing. It just so happened. Our people have a high mobilization potential and if there is a leader and a high, spiritual goal, then the mountains can collapse, literally.
              But if you leave this guideline unique, the system is very vulnerable. A simple change of leadership and an almost guaranteed change of course and great upheaval for the whole society.
              It's me that rich people we still need. I am against the fact that the enterprises already in state ownership would be given to someone either for nothing or even for big money. But if you can, create your own enterprise rich in health. Taxes, just do not forget to pay on time, the law of honor and all. If you break the law, you will return everything back. And here there are precedents were.
              We need a nationally oriented elite. This is necessary for national security.
              Such a system is much more stable. But this is perhaps too long to write about.
              Thank you for attention.
              1. -Barbarian-
                -Barbarian- 15 July 2016 23: 06
                +1
                1. Regarding the destructiveness. You noticed this in a timely manner. There is enough destructiveness in our life. But here we are not even talking about a civil war. At least for now. Until the authorities allow an unforgivable step.
                The problem here is fundamental. It consists in the fact that our state has become a fiction, it is striving for anything, but not for governing the country. I knowingly laid out the phrases of these ghouls. How exactly did Comrade Starik72 put it
                "The state must monitor everyone and manage everything, otherwise IT is not the state. Science, industry, health care - medicine, agriculture, education, and the media. If this is not the case, chaos ensues. And private traders pursue only their own mercantile interests, they are interested in only the profit they put in their pockets and they don't care about the rest. "

                So, if the state decided to leave the stage and leave only the regulatory mechanisms and the role of arbiter, then tell me how soon private traders and officials will take apart the remnants of our country in parts? By the time capital gathers strength (as planned by the authorities), this capital simply will not need the state itself. For you, history, as I understand it, is not an empty phrase, so remember how quickly states collapsed in the presence of several centers of power within this state. I think the example of the Commonwealth will be very clear (they are also Slavs).
                2. Reading your words, I cannot get rid of the feeling that in assessing the "works" of various historical figures, you seem to be standing on several "platforms". When I wrote about the activities of the guarantor against the BACKGROUND of Stalin, I look at the efficiency and efficiency of the activities of the Leader and the guarantor. Without investing something more, such as feelings of revenge of descendants or moral assessment. It's just that, as an economist, it's easier for me to decompose everything into figures in order to see the meaning of political "trends". Straight after Lenin: "Politics is the most concentrated expression of economics." But your assessment is different. For you, the main thing is the past successes of the guarantor of his first term (for which, in fact, the people remember him). However, life does not stand still, we are moving forward. And over the other 10 years, bureaucrats simply strengthened their positions, dividing local markets, in fact becoming feudal lords.
                1. -Barbarian-
                  -Barbarian- 15 July 2016 23: 06
                  0
                  3. Forgive me, but somehow I got confused in your salad. You speak:
                  and). If in Russia the role of the state has always been important even without its unifying role ... then the country as such would not exist, then why are the "adepts of power" striving to leave all sectors ?!
                  b). You say: "If there is a leader and a lofty, spiritualized goal, then our people can move mountains under his leadership," then why do you insist on the presence of the rich as additional centers of power, whose interests are subordinated to their own benefit and in rare cases will intersect with nationwide ?! Where will a stable system for national security be obtained here ?! And, by the way, for these rich people according to the local rank, from the side of the damned bourgeois (who have orders of magnitude more money in their assets - TNCs), threats of bribery, blackmailing these persons, freezing accounts, recruiting their children begin to grow at a terrible rate ... differences from the only "tsar") and which clearly threatens the national security of the whole country (since it is much easier to dismember the country in pieces - the specific estates of such rich people ... Or what, then it will be necessary to create new security forces to protect these individuals, and state so that protection against such threats would be more weighty ?! This is how the formula: "One God, one sovereign, one law", adjusted for modern conditions, can be kept.
                  at). If you are against the fact that the enterprises already in state ownership would be distributed to someone for nothing or even for a lot of money, then where did you come from, tell us at the mercy of the oligarchs ?!
                  d). You say that if you can, then create your own enterprise and get rich in health, then why are there such UNIQUE units ?! It looks like something is wrong in the state, if we cannot "get rich" ... At least those 10-15% who are essentially entrepreneurs.
                  1. BastaKarapuzik And
                    BastaKarapuzik And 16 July 2016 01: 17
                    0
                    About the rich.
                    I won’t write much (for one post).
                    We must get rid of ideological blinders. They are equally harmful, both Marxist-Leninist and liberal-market. This is the same thing that marketers declare allegedly non-interference in the economy, which in the past era followed that was harmful in every sense, supposedly eliminating the exploitation of man by man. This evil. This is a sect, and both.
                    I hope I clearly expressed my thought?
                    Yes, there are only a few such people. I even saw one with my own eyes. And I want to say, do not interfere with their work!
                    You are probably familiar with the book "My Life, My Achievements" by Henry Ford? In that case, I don't even have much to add.
                  2. -Barbarian-
                    -Barbarian- 16 July 2016 02: 46
                    0
                    The problem is not in the blinkers, believe me. I do not stand for the red or the white, the benefit of our generation was the opportunity to compare the pros and cons of both systems in our own skin in order to see the difference in approaches and tasks.
                    The problem is in our environment. The whole world has moved smoothly into the era of corporations and the task of our economy is to try to answer the challenges that they pose to us. And the point is not that they are bourgeois, but how we will be ready to meet their attacks. And their attacks will already be simply because capitalism is eating the weak. And since we slipped into 15's place in the world (with 8 in three years, by the way), then we would have to face the truth. It is necessary to stop the stagnation of the economy and find its way in this world. This is neither bad nor good ... just a statement of fact.
                    And since we have a little more experience (due to socialism in our country) than the capitalists, then we need to use ALL the achievements of the systems.
                    Notice, I'm talking about economics, without ideological raid. So there is no talk of a sect yet. The conclusion is simple, that corporation, which was the USSR, could and gave 20% increase, due to the fact that everything was tied into the SYSTEM. And unprofitable enterprises (according to the calculations of any capitalist) were covered by profitable ones as a result. Well, and accordingly, volumes that simply can not pull the corporation. Therefore, they were afraid of us. You can read Margaret Thatcher.
                    And as for not to interfere with the work of people, I honestly did not understand. Do I stop the unique people from becoming better? Or maybe I introduce taxes and excise taxes or give permits? Or is it still the state, under the leadership of the liberals, strangled, at first small business, and now it cleans the site from the middle peasants. The proof is the distribution of income across the country.
                    And the most interesting thing is that such unique people will easily find a place in a country-corporation. The same forgotten artels to help them.
          2. poquello
            poquello 15 July 2016 20: 30
            -1
            Quote: -Barbar-
            During the reign of him and the Ozerki company, they achieved only the collapse and redistribution of the remnants into their vast pockets.
            Money from the country, against the background of "such" the ruling elite, simply all accelerate their run, so much so that soon the "ceiling" in the schedules will be broken.

            in, beloved dill song, go already mishandled Cossack and on behalf of the Russian language do not stretch
            1. -Barbarian-
              -Barbarian- 15 July 2016 22: 08
              +1
              Well, I said hopeless ... You will "poke" your wife, sick. You don't need to be guided by the flag, it sometimes shows this ... But as a citizen of the Russian Federation, I can and will speak and I won't be able to shut it up ... it may happen quite the opposite.
        2. asiat_61
          asiat_61 15 July 2016 06: 11
          +1
          if in the 90s, such as the mentioned head of RossNano, made up almost 100% of the government, then ..... They are still in the majority. I don’t expect anything good from the current government.
  2. Starik72
    Starik72 15 July 2016 00: 12
    +3
    You're right BARBAR! The state must monitor everything and manage everything, otherwise it is not the state. Science, industry, healthcare - medicine, agriculture, education, and the media. If this is not the case, chaos sets in. Private traders pursue only their own mercantile interests, they are only interested profits put in their pockets, and the rest they spit. But those that put you a minus (I will write softly) are not literate, or I will not continue further. With respect.
  3. Platonich
    Platonich 15 July 2016 05: 37
    0
    Yes, dad for Russia would be better than this one with a butterfly ....
  4. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 15 July 2016 09: 30
    0
    Here, someone asked above the names of the clowns.
    Here is a small list in this post. No one doubts that the authors of these quotations are enemies of Russian statehood and the Russian people.
    And for what reasons the president keeps them, I think, we will find out later.
  • poquello
    poquello 14 July 2016 19: 02
    +2
    Quote: zart_arn
    The solution is simple - a constant GDP growth that is ahead of the global average level, and here, unfortunately, it is small in the literal and figurative sense. laughing

    I don’t put a minus, but I don’t understand, but is GDP growth a strategy for the development of science? Probably the growth of GDP is to the development of the country, while how does this relate to the strategy? Have you mixed up strategies and goals for an hour?
    1. zart_arn
      zart_arn 14 July 2016 19: 08
      0
      I clearly expressed myself - being determines consciousness. GDP will not grow - there will be nothing at all, is it really not clear. No strategy for the development of science and even more so - science requires huge investments, and everything else - verbal masturbation and nothing more.
      1. poquello
        poquello 14 July 2016 19: 33
        +5
        Quote: zart_arn
        I clearly expressed myself - being determines consciousness. GDP will not grow - nothing will happen at all,

        You are the obvious captain. "It's good to live, but it's even better to live well." The only question is how, and then we insert the patrisolumumba from the "strategy" and it turns out beautifully on paper, and the article then raises the question of whether Kudrin is right with his "Abroad will help us", which in fact raises doubts for me, for is "abroad" so cool now (in the sense of the West ") to pray for her.
        1. zart_arn
          zart_arn 14 July 2016 20: 28
          -2
          Nobody will just help anyone, and only God needs to pray. In order for foreign countries to take part in large investment projects in Russia, they need some kind of their own movements.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 14 July 2016 21: 36
            +1
            So that foreign countries take part in large investment projects in Russia
            why do we need their investment? In the 30s there was a crisis in Putin’s beloved Western society. And Soviet Russia invited foreign workers and engineers. This is the real development of the country. And the plants stood until new bourgeois came.
      2. Orionvit
        Orionvit 14 July 2016 20: 47
        -1
        Yes, everything is in Russia. And struck a good one in science, even from the Union, and literate brains, and production, still not all destroyed, not to mention resources. But in Russia there is also betrayal, in the person of democrats and liberals, who do not hide the fact that they work for enemies. And unfortunately they outweigh. How to deal with them? Easy. More political will on the part of the guarantor. Surnames of these ghouls, everyone knows perfectly well.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 15 July 2016 01: 05
          +2
          Quote: Orionvit
          How to deal with them? Easy. More political will on the part of the guarantor. Surnames of these ghouls, everyone knows perfectly well.

          It is a pity that the guarantor does not know these names crying
          You already tell him in a letter or in a word, otherwise we’ll disappear, and the guarantor will never know anything.
        2. asiat_61
          asiat_61 15 July 2016 06: 18
          +2
          I repeat, how will Putin fight the sidekicks? We won’t leave our own. Serdyukov again climbed the ranks, Glory to Great Putin !!
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 15 July 2016 08: 35
            +1
            Quote: asiat_61
            I repeat, how will Putin fight the sidekicks? We won’t leave our own. Serdyukov again climbed the ranks, Glory to Great Putin !!

            three times "KU"
  • Asadullah
    Asadullah 14 July 2016 19: 27
    +11
    The solution is simple - a constant GDP growth that is ahead of the global average level, and here, unfortunately, it is small in the literal and figurative sense


    Just imagine, you evaluate the order in the house by the number of minutes per day spent on cleaning. Spent 60 minutes, order. But the neighbor spent 120 minutes, which means he has more order. It is necessary to catch up and overtake .... but the fact is that in the days only 1440 minutes, which is next. GDP is such a slippery indicator that it is logically impossible to evaluate it. For example, if you took a loan, then the GDP takes off in proportion to the amount of the loan. So, is borrowing constantly and a lot of good for the state? The second point is speculative exchange transactions. Producing nothing and not affecting the well-being of ordinary citizens in any way, they spur GDP like a donkey under the tail of a cactus. What are the findings?
    1. zart_arn
      zart_arn 14 July 2016 20: 23
      -3
      The conclusions are as follows.
      1. Do not be cunning. We, of course, are used to blown figures for pennants and flags, but I think you perfectly understood the meaning of my words. stop
      2. If loans and spur GDP - loans to the studio! Only now, as we see, it is not only in them. good
      3. If exchange transactions spur GDP - the same thing in the studio, but I really do not understand how exchange transactions spur GDP? belay
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 14 July 2016 20: 46
        +3
        How do stock transactions spur GDP?


        Express yourself more precisely, I’m not a muscular young lady that would chew among the omissions. The omissions among men mean only one thing, the author of those who knows the subject poorly.

        How to push? But with what, the sale of a 20% stake in which tractor plant does not increase tractor production by 20 percent. Moreover, it does not increase by two percent, but it favorably affects the financial statements. Which, in addition, allows for successful re-accreditation. For all these feints with ears, the capitalization of the enterprise increases, which affects the GDP.
        1. zart_arn
          zart_arn 14 July 2016 23: 39
          0
          Well, if you are an economist, I clarify what I had in mind real GDP
          and he does not include exchange transactions. This is not a lecture on economics; everyone, including you, understood my idea. Your particular example is understandable, but it has nothing to do with GDP. Another thing is not clear - with a clear understanding of the economy and economic problems in our country, many here are trying to argue that everything is necessary and necessary.
  • vovanpain
    vovanpain 14 July 2016 20: 43
    +12
    Here you read the comments and a moment of humor: The AvtoVAZ worker, having driven the last bolt with a sledgehammer into the Kalina’s building, finished the shift, got into his Credit Solaris and drove home. Bouncing on potholes and bumps, he cursed obscenely DRSU, which built and repaired this road. So he drove past the foreman of the same DRSU, who laid asphalt directly into puddles and dirt a month ago, and even stibbled the rubble machine into his country house. Master DRSU stood near his brand new “Lada Priora” with an open hood. In the engine compartment of the Lada, something was smoking and stinking, and the driver of the DRSU cursed obscenely the VAZ workers who twisted the car’s wiring “on snot”. Upon reaching home, an AvtoVAZ worker met a neighbor, a teacher, who complained to him, as today, in the hospital, the doctor at the reception took her only three minutes, without delving into the problem, without examining, without examining, he wrote out some kind of “bullshit”, and put out of the office. At this time, the doctor, leafing through his son’s diary, cursed obscenely at teachers who couldn’t teach his child normally, to find a proper approach to him, it was possible to explain the material of the lessons. In the next, just built house, in one of the apartments, the chief technologist of the meat-packing plant swore curiously at the builders who built this new house, in which curved walls blow from all the cracks, and pieces of plaster fall off. At that time, the foreman of the construction team that was building this house was sitting on the jerk for the second hour because he had inadvertently eaten the sausage produced by the meat-packing plant, whose chief technologist had bought an apartment in the house he was building. Through the closed door of the restroom, a list of places to send the meat-packing plant, its workers and their sausage was clearly heard. And when Saturday came, all of them, AvtoVAZ worker, DRSU foreman, teacher, doctor, foreman and chief technologist of the meat processing plant, went to the rally “Russia without Putin”, which was organized by the opposition, and loudly shouted slogans that Putin was to blame for everything , power, oligarchs, Patriarch Kirill, and of course Sobyanin. But Putin is most to blame, because he is the most important. And if not for him, then in Russia they would make great cars, build beautiful roads, build magnificent houses, have wonderful medicine, have the best education in the world, and produce delicious sausages. If not for Putin ... fellow
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 15 July 2016 01: 17
      +2
      Quote: vovanpain
      And if not for him, then in Russia they would make great cars, build beautiful roads, build magnificent houses, have wonderful medicine, have the best education in the world, and produce delicious sausage

      Well, at. Yes, we ourselves are to blame for everything, Or maybe the place is damned? only he alone is not to blame for anything, because he is good and the whole world is in his fist, and America will soon collapse and drown Europe.
  • Pavel1
    Pavel1 14 July 2016 23: 56
    +3
    recently sold 49% of the helicopter corporation, why is this?
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 15 July 2016 03: 32
      +4
      Quote: Paul1
      recently sold 49%

      I was also very interested in this! Apparently private traders make very cool pistols!
      1. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 15 July 2016 05: 45
        0
        Apparently private traders make very cool pistols!
        Amers get like nothing ...
  • tatra
    tatra 14 July 2016 18: 33
    +7
    The enemies of the Communists who seized Russia in 1991, from the late 80s stubbornly prove that they do, say and write that for them 100 varieties of sausages without meat, toilet paper, a bunch of imported consumer goods, are much more important than the development of domestic education, science, industry .
    1. RESEARCHER
      RESEARCHER 14 July 2016 18: 44
      +7
      As long as the so-called economists and lawyers who have joined them rule all the processes, there will be no progress in the country. These people cannot have any strategic thinking due to the absence of any elementary rudiments of a natural-scientific worldview. Their entire strategy pursues the selfish goals of personal enrichment and is based on the elimination of their own competitors.
    2. Imperialkolorad
      Imperialkolorad 14 July 2016 18: 52
      +4
      Quote: tatra
      The enemies of the Communists who seized Russia in 1991, from the late 80s stubbornly prove that they do, say and write that for them 100 varieties of sausages without meat, toilet paper, a bunch of imported consumer goods, are much more important than the development of domestic education, science, industry .

      They are not enemies of the Communists, but enemies of the state. For the sake of justice, it is worth noting - among these same Communists in the 80s, too, a decent number of enemies were born.
    3. hirurg
      hirurg 14 July 2016 18: 55
      +4
      Imagine YES - 100 varieties of sausage is good, especially if made with us.
      And what about the Communists, what are YOU talking about everything was ideal?
      Then, why, what happened is what happened? Why did the traitors blink? What did the KGB miss?
      And, I say Verkhushka Communist-Komsomol, the hereditary forgot to care about people, they stopped working, they sold the USSR.
      And then by inertia a lot of things were merged, science, education ....
      You won’t stop the train right away, and you won’t be forced to go in the right direction until you hit the horn. We need a clear and painstaking work.
      1. tatra
        tatra 14 July 2016 19: 07
        +6
        What is being produced from you?
        Even after a full quarter of a century, much less agricultural and industrial products are produced in the republics of the former USSR than in the USSR. And this also applies to Russia.
        Your vaunted "but now everything is there" - these are 100 varieties of sausages without meat, "products" from soybeans, palm oil, chemicals.
        Imported non-natural, with a bunch of chemistry food and production products.
        The results of YOUR highly paid work, the enemies of the Communists, are only disastrous for Russia and the Russian people.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 14 July 2016 19: 21
          0
          Quote: tatra
          What is being produced from you?
          Even after a full quarter of a century, much less agricultural and industrial products are produced in the republics of the former USSR than in the USSR. And this also applies to Russia.
          Your vaunted "but now everything is there" - these are 100 varieties of sausages without meat, "products" from soybeans, palm oil, chemicals.
          Imported non-natural, with a bunch of chemistry food and production products.
          The results of YOUR highly paid work, the enemies of the Communists, are only disastrous for Russia and the Russian people.

          And what do we import from products, except for some types of vegetables and fruits?
          1. tatra
            tatra 14 July 2016 19: 28
            +5
            Quote: Muvka
            And what do we import from products, except for some types of vegetables and fruits?

            Ha, yes, that's all, probably, there was not a single product in Russia, not a single product that was purely Russian.
            It would be produced on Russian equipment, with Russian raw materials, materials, components, packaging.
            And besides that, a bunch of imports.
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 14 July 2016 20: 46
              -4
              Quote: tatra
              Quote: Muvka
              And what do we import from products, except for some types of vegetables and fruits?

              Ha, yes, that's all, probably, there was not a single product in Russia, not a single product that was purely Russian.
              It would be produced on Russian equipment, with Russian raw materials, materials, components, packaging.
              And besides that, a bunch of imports.

              Clear. The stubborn all-crawler and all the better. It is useless to talk to such people.
              1. tatra
                tatra 14 July 2016 21: 02
                +5
                Quote: Muvka
                It is useless to talk to such people.

                So not one of you, the enemies of the Communists and the USSR, is capable of honest and objective discussion neither about the Soviet period, nor about what you created with your highly paid work after the 1991 USSR and the peoples in them.
              2. Gardamir
                Gardamir 14 July 2016 21: 50
                +3
                . It's useless to talk to such
                look in the mirror! In addition to tele-slogans, what can you offer? When did Turkey become our? A month ago, and I saw Turkish zucchini in stores two months ago.
              3. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 15 July 2016 01: 20
                +2
                Quote: Muvka
                Clear. The stubborn all-crawler and all the better. It is useless to talk to such people.

                and you talk to the TV, you have a lot of common themes and consensus.
        2. hirurg
          hirurg 14 July 2016 19: 22
          0
          And you, I see you flying the Russian flag?
          And if you stick with a stick ...
          And then after 3-4 days to ask how you produce nothing?
          1. tatra
            tatra 14 July 2016 19: 33
            0
            The great misfortune of Russia and the Russian people is that you, the enemies of the Communists who have seized Russia, do not know how to admit guilt not only for your crimes, but also for your mistakes, worthlessness, mediocrity, and stupidity.
            1. hirurg
              hirurg 14 July 2016 21: 19
              -2
              Enough to pull your hands on Russia. Your Russian Empire has already collapsed.
              Incidentally, I am not in power. And for mistakes and blame - look in the mirror.
              For worthlessness and mediocrity - from whom, what hurts.
              1. tatra
                tatra 14 July 2016 21: 33
                +1
                Yes, you, the enemies of the communists, have nothing to do with what you have done with the republics of the USSR and the peoples in them, but everything has nothing to do with it for a quarter of a century to receive many times over, dozens or more times higher incomes and salaries than received the majority of the people, after you took the USSR away from the communists and their supporters, justifying the capture of the USSR and all your crimes in Soviet Russia and the USSR by slandering the communists.
                First, there was NO Russian Empire in October 1917, but the Russian Republic, and after the October Revolution, Soviet Russia / RSFSR, which you, the external and internal enemies of the Bolsheviks during the Civil War unleashed by YOU, in order to overthrow the Bolsheviks and dismember centuries-old Russia, began to tear to pieces.
                This is how your separate countries, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, appeared, the Ukrainian People's Republic, the West Ukrainian People's Republic, and your other "independence" appeared, and the Bolsheviks had to collect the country.
            2. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 15 July 2016 01: 22
              0
              Quote: tatra
              but also for your mistakes

              it’s not a mistake, it’s a malice, the doctor prescribed it to them, (Goebbels) in the sense.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 14 July 2016 21: 45
        +4
        100 varieties of sausages is good
        Is there any meat in your sausage?
        Then, why, what happened is what happened?
        And now that some patriots are in power. You have been rising from your knees for 25 years, you cannot straighten up. Vaughn Shuvalov grabbed the house next to the Queen of England, are you proud of this?
        And then by inertia a lot of things were merged, science, education ....
        the current bourgeoisie has poured and is still poured, they are not going to pour it.
        go in the right direction
        and what direction do you need, as I do not remember who said: "Russia is doomed to liberalism."
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 14 July 2016 22: 02
          -1
          Quote: Gardamir
          100 varieties of sausages is good
          Is there any meat in your sausage?
          Then, why, what happened is what happened?
          And now that some patriots are in power. You have been rising from your knees for 25 years, you cannot straighten up. Vaughn Shuvalov grabbed the house next to the Queen of England, are you proud of this?
          And then by inertia a lot of things were merged, science, education ....
          the current bourgeoisie has poured and is still poured, they are not going to pour it.
          go in the right direction
          and what direction do you need, as I do not remember who said: "Russia is doomed to liberalism."

          Yes, full of meat in our sausage. It was in the late 90s-early 2000s there were no products. Now most products are of high quality, if you do not take the ultra-budget segment.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 14 July 2016 22: 26
            +6
            Quote: Muvka
            Yes, full of meat in our sausage.

            My cat doesn’t eat sausage. The meat is eating, but the store sausage is not. But the homemade bursts, and how. And I trust the cat more than the letters on the labels.
            Quote: Muvka
            most products are of high quality, if you do not take the ultra-budget segment.

            Go to "Pyaterochka" in the morning and see how ultra-budget chicken heads and legs are snapping up.
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 15 July 2016 09: 02
              +1
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: Muvka
              Yes, full of meat in our sausage.

              My cat doesn’t eat sausage. The meat is eating, but the store sausage is not. But the homemade bursts, and how. And I trust the cat more than the letters on the labels.
              Quote: Muvka
              most products are of high quality, if you do not take the ultra-budget segment.

              Go to "Pyaterochka" in the morning and see how ultra-budget chicken heads and legs are snapping up.

              Do not take sausage for 100-200 rubles. And he will eat.
              1. poquello
                poquello 15 July 2016 20: 44
                +1
                Quote: Muvka
                sausage for 100-200 rubles

                that’s why such horrors to write, it’s already become bad for me as I imagined, but what really worries is the open access and impunity of freaks dumping any nastiness on the food market calling it food, and this is with a bunch of parasites who should control this market
  • Sorokin
    Sorokin 14 July 2016 18: 34
    +8
    George what potential is asked in science if there are no machinists. Vocational schools exhausted. There are no people who are able to make a simple calculation according to the template and bring it to the CNC machine. I’m still going to get to the machine though with a legal tower and the young ones don’t. They did not have a CPC.
    1. kostiknet
      kostiknet 14 July 2016 18: 39
      0
      see above...
      https://topwar.ru/97957-docent-zhurfaka-mgu-v-etom-godu-my-nabrali-inoplanetyan.

      html
      earlier, with such results, they would even be ashamed to put in jail !!!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 July 2016 18: 57
      +2
      Enterprises themselves begin to train - since there are no such CNC machines in vocational schools.
  • ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 14 July 2016 18: 36
    +2
    Once, in the era of my Komsomol youth, being in the camp of the Evenks, I decided to find out: what kind of white powder they bang into tea "grade 1, Georgian, baikhov". It turned out - scrapings from fly agarics, such white spots ... At night, I "flew" over a birch forest, "swam" with dolphins, faster than the last ... belay The most powerful, hallucinogenic ... turned out to be ... In my opinion, the articles would be simpler, with the designation of the main problems of the country. To me, the "abstruse and enchanted" government-by-eye! Well, here I am such a marginal ...
    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 14 July 2016 19: 04
      +5
      alabai45

      Sergey, I also read it. ..the article is somewhat wrapped up, "a lot of beeches", but you can still figure it out and form your own opinion.
      I personally think so:
      1. The collapse of the RAS is connected, first of all, with the seizure of property. ... both NIS and health resorts, hospitals, etc ... rich property. ... and only the next step is wrecking
      2. Until Kudrin, Chubais and others like them continue to determine our future - do not expect good
      3. In connection with the above, the question of the GDPR is “are you incompetent or are you also looking for personal gain? You don’t see what is happening in the country? And when will the" clean-up operations "begin? "Not an empty show, but an adult?"
      1. stas
        stas 14 July 2016 19: 30
        +6
        What are we dodging and dodging?

        What kind of pop is such a parish. It can be imagined that such personalities as Gref, DAMA, Chubais and others. Hidden and not hidden liberals would be in government positions.

        It’s not clear who or why Putin is holding DAM.

        Look at political political shows on TV, professors from universities who speak as liberals who hate the USSR. Whom they will teach and what.

        And graduates of the HSE nursery liberalism mainly work in government agencies.

        Doesn’t the chief know about this.

        Until the chief changes, these liberals will be with him!
        1. poquello
          poquello 14 July 2016 20: 09
          -5
          Quote: stas
          Look at political political shows on TV, professors from universities who speak as liberals who hate the USSR. Whom they will teach and what.

          And graduates of the HSE nursery liberalism mainly work in government agencies.

          Doesn’t the chief know about this.

          haven't been mistaken for years? censorship uncles under the USSR were
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 14 July 2016 21: 54
            +6
            censorship uncles under the USSR were
            Now more subtly forbidden, and censorship abruptly Soviet.
            1. poquello
              poquello 15 July 2016 20: 20
              0
              Quote: Gardamir
              censorship uncles under the USSR were
              Now more subtly forbidden, and censorship abruptly Soviet.

              Che and Euronews banned, Zyuganov has already eaten the screen 24, like communism? make a channel - let the communists watch it
              Harsh years go
              Fights for the freedom of the country,
              Behind them others come -
              They will be difficult too.
      2. poquello
        poquello 14 July 2016 19: 40
        -4
        Quote: vsoltan
        . Until Kudrin, Chubais and others like them continue to determine our future

        eco sausage you, directly and determine?
      3. sa-ag
        sa-ag 15 July 2016 07: 58
        +1
        Quote: vsoltan
        or also seek personal gain?

        Why not?:-)
        Quote: vsoltan
        You do not see what is happening in the country?

        The National Guard is clearly the result of what he saw :-)
        Quote: vsoltan
        And when will the "mopping-up operations" begin?

        "We are not 37 years old" "There will be no one to work with" "I don’t hand over mine" (C)
    2. Damask
      Damask 14 July 2016 19: 33
      +3
      Probably the whole government flies to drink tea in Evenki and flies wink
  • Koshak
    Koshak 14 July 2016 18: 36
    +2
    «technology re-export"," Patronage system ","collaborations scientists, engineers and technological entrepreneurs ”,“ high capitalization of organizations ”,“ engineering and production consortia ”,“ formation of the institute of “chief researchers”, “Branding territories ”,“ attracting young foreign scientists ”,“ champion companies ”,“redesign government programs ”... As you can see, creative is on creative.

    No, my skis are definitely not riding here. tongue

    PS. Zadornov is not on them.
    PPP. These "strategies" are multi-letter, no use (at best)
    1. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 14 July 2016 18: 57
      +5
      Most of the site has "skis, they definitely do not go"! But they go well with the leaders ... In the Swiss ski resorts! Know ours!
      1. Outsider V.
        Outsider V. 14 July 2016 20: 46
        -1
        Can I get by without a fuss?
  • Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 14 July 2016 18: 43
    +4
    "In fact, Russia's military budget in 2014 was $ 84 billion, China's $ 216 billion, the US $ 610 billion, and NATO's 950 billion."

    A hundred times already, it was chewed at HE that the total size of the military budget does not yet speak of the quality of its use.

    "" Entering the top ten leading countries in the global ratings of competition for talent;
    At least 30 of Russian centers of excellence, universities, Russian territories, high-tech companies are included in the top 100 leaders of relevant international rankings of innovation, scientific and technological development;
    growth of funds for research and development from foreign sources ".

    Europe will help us! Let's enter the ratings, and everyone will be happy! "


    I would not be jerky while we were "happy" in the 90s with the arrival of all-round love to the West, the world did not stand still and developed, computers, communications, information, etc., made a huge leap in some 20 years, into which, alas did not fit. And now to enter even the top 10 is a very ambitious task.

    "At one of the recent meetings, General of the Army Makhmut Gareev complained that there was not a single military man in the leadership of the Military Historical Society of Russia."

    But this, IMHO, is our main trouble, not even corruption. Substitution of managerial and administrative positions not by specialists, but by "own" people. This is the scourge of all areas of the national economy.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 14 July 2016 18: 50
      0
      It is necessary to make an amendment - also "not ours".
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 14 July 2016 18: 49
    +2
    I’ll tell you about medicine, about a new generation of students - kirdyk to us if they become doctors recourse Although it is unlikely to become, the janitors get as much as we
    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 14 July 2016 19: 07
      +3
      Dr. Bormental

      Colleague, you are wrong. .... not quite the new generation can do a damn thing. ... the trouble in our country is that managers, as well as performers, are dropouts and laymen. It's simple. Bubble cult.
    2. Kudrevkn
      Kudrevkn 14 July 2016 19: 10
      0
      The answer to your question is in you, or rather in the words of Professor Preobrazhensky to his young colleague and your namesake "about the chaos in the heads, peeing past the water closet, about the stolen professor's galoshes, boarded up ceremonies, etc." Imagine the situations in 1922 and 1945? But now it is much easier - there was no war and there is no need to rebuild and rebuild anything, you just need not talk, but work! True, not with this Power, with the exception of the President - is he just trying, working for himself and for "that guy" LADIES? But how long will it last? The strength of a person, even one as strong-willed and efficient as Vladimir Putin, is also not unlimited - he is not God, he is a man and nothing human is alien to him: fatigue, personal life, and rest? If in September this government were replaced by the GOVERNMENT OF POPULAR CONSENT (political color is not important), the main thing is professionalism and a desire to work for the good of the country, then there will be a result! What do you think?
      1. tatra
        tatra 14 July 2016 19: 21
        +3
        Quote: KudrevKN
        True, not with this Authority, with the exception of the President -

        The next tales about "The king is good, the boyars are bad."
        If the liberals did not hide the fact that they were enemies of Russia and the Russian people, then Putin, a faithful successor of the liberals' business, is brilliantly able to manipulate people.
        1. Kudrevkn
          Kudrevkn 15 July 2016 09: 07
          0
          Shouldn't he (Putin) be exaggerated as a "sex giant"? I repeat, he is an ordinary person of "flesh and blood", by no means a "giant of thought" and "the father of Russian democracy"? But he also understands that having removed the LADIES and the Government now, there will be a collapse and chaos on the principle of dominoes, because the regional government (local and nationalist) is not at all controlled - "who goes to the forest, who for wood", is thieving and incompetent. And the tsar "good" or bad - this is absolutely not important in the conditions of global peace, because as V.V. Mayakovsky said: "One is zero, one is nonsense! One person, even a very important one? Will not lift a simple five-inch beam, and even more so a five-story house "?! By the way, yesterday the leaders of the Communist Party, the Liberal Democratic Party and the" SR "asked for a rendezvous" tete-ate "with VVP about the resignation of ladies, but Valdemar Valdemarovich remained adamant - did I give the argument of" rockiness "above? !!!
    3. Khariton
      Khariton 14 July 2016 19: 16
      +3
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      I’ll tell you about medicine, about a new generation of students - kirdyk to us if they become doctors recourse Although it is unlikely to become, the janitors get as much as we

      I saw enough (scary ..) Not everything, of course! The future cardiologists were just amazed at the girls ... they run out in crowds to smoke together with the infants (who are strictly prohibited ..)))) And also, as one doctor on social networks said, "We will find doctors how to earn money, but the junior medical staff (on which the patient's recovery depends on 60% -70%) For 7-8 thousand night shifts, etc. They simply do not stand up ... It's a sin to me to complain, maybe I was just lucky with the medical staff ? But I saw how hard it was for them to work and they tried as best they could .. God bless you doctors, who treat their work with soul and honor the Hippocratic oath! hi I, too, do not work for money, just someone has to do this work differently "kirdyk" will come to the country ... My conscience is clear!
      1. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 15 July 2016 05: 55
        0
        future cardiologists ... crowds run out to smoke
        When I studied at the medical faculty, students were more or less hard belay .. And when I went into the sickness-smoke from the intern, even a stoker would have put down. Well, so what?
  • NordUral
    NordUral 14 July 2016 18: 49
    0
    These swear words came into being.
  • beer-youk
    beer-youk 14 July 2016 18: 54
    0
    It is very likely that the authors of this "strategy" received their "qualifications" according to some ultra-simplified scheme.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 14 July 2016 18: 56
    +3
    Nevertheless, the Communists were right in many respects, education, upbringing, patriotism, but those who replaced capitalism taught people how to humiliate themselves for money. Such a parody of the system, with universal values ​​where the main value is money !!!
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 14 July 2016 18: 59
    +4
    It is necessary to change the education system. Return everything to the good old USSR-ov system. Got a generation of moron? It comes back to all of us. The one who introduced this exam should be judged ..
    1. SNIF
      SNIF 14 July 2016 19: 14
      -3
      Dohtor, do you go to ferry tours to Finland?) Why do you need education? to eat something, to hit the Chukhontsev’s, you’ll earn money)
  • xant
    xant 14 July 2016 19: 25
    +2
    "At one of the recent meetings, General of the Army Makhmut Gareev complained that there was not a single military man in the leadership of the Military Historical Society of Russia." -
    The key idea is when those who depend on decision-making will understand that it is impossible to manage any of the sectors without any experience of non-specialized education, then something will change for the better.
    1. poquello
      poquello 14 July 2016 20: 14
      0
      Quote: xant
      "At one of the recent meetings, General of the Army Makhmut Gareev complained that there was not a single military man in the leadership of the Military Historical Society of Russia." -
      The key idea is when those who depend on decision-making will understand that it is impossible to manage any of the sectors without any experience of non-specialized education, then something will change for the better.

      it seems to be true, there was a moment there was a bunch of top managers with a bourgeois management education that crowded out seasoned profile specialists
  • Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 14 July 2016 19: 38
    0
    So soon and back in the Stone Age, we’ll return your diplomas or study, chase game in the field with a stone ax in your hands.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 14 July 2016 19: 57
      -2
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      So soon and back in the Stone Age, we’ll return your diplomas or study, chase game in the field with a stone ax in your hands.

      Cowered clearly and do not quibble ... Where did you study? bully
      I probably need to change my nickname, like "expelling uraklov"! laughing
      1. Banishing liberoids
        Banishing liberoids 14 July 2016 20: 40
        +1
        Khariton-life is my teacher, because for myself I see only two options - to cover everything with obscenities, or sarcasm, I chose the second option.
      2. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 15 July 2016 05: 58
        0
        I probably need to change my nickname, like "expelling uraklov"!
        drive yourself away ...
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  • Lumumba
    Lumumba 14 July 2016 20: 26
    -2
    the share of our Fatherland in the world market of high-tech products is only 0,3 percent.


    It depends on what is considered high technology. Apparently, the author of the article does not consider such titanium-containing and structured alloys, products of the nuclear and rocket industries, and much more. The ability to produce iPhones is not a necessary and sufficient sign of high-tech production.

    Provocative and controversial article. How much did you pay for her, huh? Comrade Malinetsky? Reading such articles, I sometimes regret that we are not 37 years old. And then for some authors the wall is crying.
  • antivirus
    antivirus 14 July 2016 20: 29
    0
    from the very beginning he knew that Gorby was only thinking
  • antivirus
    antivirus 14 July 2016 20: 34
    0
    Prior to the sanctions, in 2013, Russia's imports exceeded $ 300 billion - the budget of a huge state. It became obvious that the preservation of our sovereignty is associated with import substitution, and it is associated with new industrialization. And here the role of science is enormous. It is necessary to build factories, revive or create entire industries on a new technological basis. And this is planning, a strategic forecast ... If domestic science had seriously taken up the solution of such problems and achieved success, this would have been more than enough.
    All officials should be aware that the proposal to grow a beard means the ability to keep warm and not freeze in the rut
  • antivirus
    antivirus 14 July 2016 20: 39
    +2
    Europe will help us! Let's enter the ratings, and everyone will be happy!
    everything is already said by Ilf and Petrov
    The gentlemen did not read or watch these films.
  • akudr48
    akudr48 14 July 2016 20: 54
    +1
    Author Georgy Malinetskiy criticizes, and in fact, reasonably destroys another "strategic" excuse drawn up by the authorities, another plan drawn up by the liberal scholarly elite to withdraw the last pennies from the pockets of citizens to the sweet music of "innovations", "patronage", "collaboration" and other intriguing words.

    Is there a strategy here? Undoubtedly, it also consists in ensuring further control over the population in the sense of continuing its "downshifting", as this process precisely defined, which is turning into the main goal of the current authorities.

    This I mean that in this "strategy", in addition to the pale sickness of the ruling Russian intellectuals in the government, its scholarly servants, there is also a social order aimed at preventing the appearance in the camp of other, really thinking and having real capabilities, decision preparation centers , and, moreover, with power.

    Moreover, it must be recalled that "the Government is a committee for the affairs of the bourgeoisie," and here the bourgeoisie is entirely foreign ...
  • Outsider V.
    Outsider V. 14 July 2016 20: 58
    +4
    My comment is not on the merits of this - very controversial - article, but on another Bismarck pseudo-quote from which the article begins:

    > "Wars are won by the schoolteacher and the parish priest, Bismarck said, emphasizing the role of education and spirituality in defending the Fatherland."

    It is easy to verify that Bismarck did not say anything like this, and the author of a similar statement was the anthropologist Oskar Peschel, who said about the victory of Prussia over Austria in the Battle of Sadov, that "this is how the Prussian school teacher defeated the Austrian one."

    By the way, recently (July 3) this battle turned 150 years old.
    1. SCHWERIN
      SCHWERIN 14 July 2016 22: 54
      +1
      By the way, quotes from Bismarck are inserted by all and sundry. Like, he said that you can defeat Russia by taking Ukraine away from it. Where does all these statements come from? From a finger ....
  • Alisher
    Alisher 14 July 2016 21: 09
    0
    Read Kudrin's "Strategy", and do the opposite ... for the good of the country.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 14 July 2016 21: 27
    +2
    Yesterday I saw Kudrin, broadcasting something at a meeting with the President, and that's it: the pipe is business, nothing good awaits us with such "strategists". I don’t like the LADY, but I’m ready to write off a lot for taking Kudrin off. Even moving the clock anywhere.
  • SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 14 July 2016 22: 50
    +1
    "The density of operational deployment in the Eastern European theater of operations

    Our western theater of operations has a length of about 3 km (from the Arctic Ocean to the Black Sea); about 000 km of them are located on the border with Finland, about 1 km with Estonia and Latvia, 500 km with Poland, of which 380 km north and 800 km south of Pripyat; the Romanian section of the border has 400 km.
    A mobilized Polish army, as indicated above, in the 1st mobilization echelon, may comprise approximately 68 infantry and 5½ cavalry divisions. Even under the condition that Poland wages war only in the east, of these forces at least 5 rifle divisions will remain on the western border, and, therefore, in the east, up to 63 infantry and 5½ cavalry divisions can be deployed, which gives an average of 12-13 km for 1 infantry division. "
    Triandaffilov V.K. The nature of operations of modern armies. 1936
    How modern, isn't it? Slid to the situation of the 30s!
    But the comment is not about that. Vladimir Kiriakovich is an outstanding military theorist. It is he who owns the theoretical development of "tank wedges". Unfortunately, by the beginning of the war, the USSR could not bring it to life. And the German generals accepted it and put it into practice.
    We are now talking more about new military equipment. But we don’t know if we have military theorists at the level of V.K. Triandaffilov? After all, iron, even the most modern without military science, is nothing. I want to believe that there is, but there is no certainty from life and from this article.
  • Igor V
    Igor V 14 July 2016 22: 56
    0
    Link to the source curve. Admins, ay!
  • atamankko
    atamankko 14 July 2016 22: 58
    0
    He spent most of his life in the USSR, education,
    healthcare and patriotism were at their best,
    not compare in what condition they are now in Russia.
  • isker
    isker 15 July 2016 07: 03
    +1
    "Wise curls,
    curly sages ... "(c)
    1. Kudrevkn
      Kudrevkn 15 July 2016 09: 12
      0
      Mercy - s! Thank you for the kind words and parting words - I will try to be precise and concise in my "curly sages"!
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 15 July 2016 11: 21
    0
    Who is Kudrin-ZAKLAB and his thinking is at the level of merit and if the top leadership of the country uses his ideas then the thinking of this leadership is the same at the level of ZAKLAB, there’s nothing to add.