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Media: PRC submarine fleet will soon be equal in number to the US

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China is actively increasing its submarine fleet, the number of which will soon be equal to the US, TASS a message from the South China Morning Post.




According to the agency, “at present, the Navy of the People’s Liberation Army of China has at least 70 submarines (according to some sources - 73), including 16 atomic ones. In the US, the total number of submarines is 75. ”

It is noted that "the most modern in China is still a strategic submarine carrier of the Jin class (094 project), designed to launch nuclear ballistic missiles." According to the US military, "currently in service with the Chinese Navy there are four submarines of this type, another one is under construction." It is assumed that most of them are located on a secret base built on the island of Hainan.

Meanwhile, Chinese designers are developing a new generation of submarines project 096. According to some experts, it will be armed with “powerful JL-3 intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of reaching the United States when launched from the South China Sea.”

Experts believe that "submarines of this type will significantly increase the range of use, mobility, secrecy and effectiveness of Chinese nuclear deterrence."

According to them, "the possibilities for deploying Chinese nuclear submarines in the Asia-Pacific region have increased significantly after Beijing built remote bulk islands with airfields and other infrastructure in the South China Sea."

Underwater expert the fleet from Singapore, Colleen Lin said on this occasion: “We see that Chinese nuclear submarines have become a“ long arm ”in the region: they are able to operate for a longer period without the need for frequent return to their bases on Hainan or on the coast of mainland China.”

“If in former times, the Chinese submarines were considered very noisy and easily noticeable, then over the last decade, everything has changed. They began to actively monitor US aircraft carrier groups in the East China Sea. So, back in 2006, the Song-class diesel-electric submarine, quietly crept up to the Kitty Hawk aircraft carrier, pointedly surfaced from him at a distance of a torpedo attack (5 nautical miles). This step was to show the United States that their dominance in the Pacific came to an end, ”he added.
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  1. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 12 July 2016 13: 08
    -4
    Only the United States will not be idle - they will improve the means of detecting submarines, and all Chinese submarines will be under their full control. I am silent about the fact that China has atomic modern boats, in fact, not from the word at all, but the United States are building and are building Newcomers apt.
    1. volot-voin
      volot-voin 12 July 2016 13: 23
      -1
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      Only the United States will not sit back - they will improve the means of detecting submarines

      The Chinese, too, are not sewn. The country of electronics no matter how.
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 12 July 2016 15: 02
        +2
        The country of electronics no matter how.
        What such such electronics? If for couch experts, all electronics comes down to iPhones and home computers, then yes. But to develop for example the S-400 complex or an over-the-horizon radar, or the same electronic warfare systems, this is weak. These are the things that are called electronics, unlike cheap Chinese cell phones. Moreover, there is practically no one of its own in China, all developments are either Japanese and Korean, or stupidly torn up by other manufacturers, because the Chinese do not know what intellectual property is.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 12 July 2016 21: 36
          +3
          Patriotism is excellent, but you still do not need to write nonsense.

          If for couch experts, all electronics comes down to iPhones and home computers, then yes


          You will excuse me, but without the production of consumer electronics it is impossible to produce in sufficient quantity and range the necessary element base for military electronics. A penny microprocessor becomes a penny when it is bought for millions of iPhones. To build a plant (equip a production line) for the production of microprocessors for a pair of S-400 regiment sets is a utopia. The processors produced in a small series will be released not "gold" but "diamond-uranium interspersed with star dust".
          Moreover, there is practically no one of its own in China, all developments are either Japanese and Korean, or stupidly torn up by other manufacturers, because the Chinese do not know what intellectual property is

          And this is their great strength. Stalin's USSR, following the path of "catching up modernization", did the same. The only difference is that technologies are still being supplied to China, and most likely they will never be supplied to us.
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 12 July 2016 22: 22
          -1
          Supercomputer rating 2015 (top ten):

          1. Tianhe-2 / Milky Way-2 China 33,86 petaflops
          2. Titan - Cray XK7 USA 17,59 petaflops
          3. Sequoia - Blue Gene / Q USA
          4. K Computer Japan
          5. Mira - Blue Gene / Q USA
          6. Piz Daint - Cray XC30 Switzerland
          7. Stampede - PowerEdge C8220 USA
          8. Juqueen - Blue Gene / Q Germany
          9. Vulcan - Blue Gene / Q USA
          10. Cray CS-Storm USA

          https://topwar.ru/97943-smi-podvodnyy-flot-knr-skoro-budet-raven-po-chislennosti


          -amerikanskomu.html

          I didn’t find ours. I am ashamed before 50 years!
          Something touched my soul, I looked, like ours.
          It became completely lousy.
          http://top50.supercomputers.ru/?page=news
          and review on the topic of super:
          https://rg.ru/2014/07/02/betelin.html
          But behind this is the pace of modernization of the country (if desired).
          The conclusion suggests itself - a planned economy and socialism!
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 13 July 2016 09: 10
            0
            To the passing: http://www.forbes.ru/mneniya-opinion/277671-kak-poyavilis-superkompyutery-i-zach
            em-oni-nuzhny
    2. Aleksandr1959
      Aleksandr1959 12 July 2016 14: 11
      +2
      And the United States does not have diesel-electric submarines.
      The comparison in the article is incorrect.
    3. Altona
      Altona 12 July 2016 15: 30
      +3
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      Only the United States will not be idle - they will improve the means of detecting submarines, and all Chinese submarines will be under their full control. I am silent about the fact that China has atomic modern boats, in fact, not from the word at all, but the United States are building and are building Newcomers apt.

      -----------------------
      They will not sit, only military spending is already of an intergalactic scale. If the small F-35 airplane already stands as an imperial starship, then the fleet will have more expenses. For money they will go to ask in Congress. Will they approve of this matter or not? The missile defense system also eats a lot of money. There is also a need to update the artillery, build railguns and lasers and modify them.
    4. Rust0626
      Rust0626 12 July 2016 15: 47
      +2
      The question is not how modern the US has nuclear submarines, but the question is whether the boats will be allowed to launch nuclear weapons in the event of a conflict. If they launch, then the whole point of their detection and drowning is already lost.
  2. mitya24
    mitya24 12 July 2016 13: 11
    -3
    Quantitatively, it can be compared, but as a question? Of the 75 pls, all 75 are atomic, and if you add pl vassal fleets to them, then everything will be even sadder.
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  4. Abbra
    Abbra 12 July 2016 13: 15
    +6
    Let the Chinese distract ... And at this time ...
  5. Samy
    Samy 12 July 2016 13: 17
    +2
    Yes, a strange logic ... "The number of our tractors will soon equal the number of their tanks."
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 12 July 2016 13: 22
      +2
      Quote: Samy
      Yes, a strange logic ... "The number of our tractors will soon equal the number of their tanks."

      You better not worry about them, but about our tractors and tanks. China has something to create new weapons for. Even if they themselves cannot do something, they will buy it. But about the capabilities of Russia-a big question ... ((
      1. evgenii67
        evgenii67 12 July 2016 13: 47
        +11
        Quote: Verdun
        You better not worry about them, but about our tractors and tanks.

        our rearmament is proceeding according to plans despite the economic problems in the country. It would be better if they would pull up the social little girl.

        I'm not an economist, but here I’ve got a little confused how much a worker would get with sn in 14000r from 2011 if inflation were taken into account
        So: year / salary / percentage of inflation / indexed salary adjusted for inflation:
        2011 - 14000r, 6.1% - we get + 854r, 14000 + 854 = 14854
        2012 - 14854r, 6,6% -980r, 14854 + 980 = 15834
        13g - 15834r, 6,5% -1029r, 15834 + 1029 = 16863
        14 - 16863р, 11,3% -1905р, 16863 + 1905 = 18767
        15 -18767r, 12,9%, -2420r, 18767 + 2420 = 21187r

        those. a person with a salary (2011) of 14000 if he was indexed at the end of 15g would have to get 7187r more, but in the heat of indexing, it’s better our woe-footballers will get millions of eternally green, but top managers will get 10% later on xs how much to raise the salary.
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 12 July 2016 21: 31
      0
      Ger Oberst, you correctly noticed about tractors and tanks. China can still stamp submarines, but they still work in quality. Although the example with the boat that the Americans "overslept" says something.
  6. Machete
    Machete 12 July 2016 13: 21
    +2
    Although the Chinese almost all is far from new, but over time they will catch up.
    This is alarming.
    We must be careful and modernize our submarine fleet.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 12 July 2016 15: 07
      +1
      Yeah, with the Chinese you need to keep an eye out. Moreover, they often prove that they are on their own mind, they are far from friends to us.
    2. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 12 July 2016 21: 12
      -1
      Quote: Machete
      Although the Chinese almost all is far from new, but over time they will catch up.
      This is alarming.
      We must be careful and modernize our submarine fleet.

      Funny comment, is China located on the other side of the ocean from us? How will the fleet protect against land invasion? Yes, let's build a couple of hundred submarines that will guard rivers and steppes.
    3. Monarchist
      Monarchist 12 July 2016 21: 45
      0
      I am not an expert, but there are "sharp" guys here and ask them how are our "Warsaw women" and "Boreas"? True, with the "Boreys" we are still scarce. And then there is "Echo" and so on suggests that the BB is only involved in the arms race and teases the United States, and this is nonsense, etc. Money must be spent on social needs, etc.
  7. Monarchist
    Monarchist 12 July 2016 13: 22
    +3
    The number is not yet an indicator of quality, but the Chinese are known for their persistence. We also need to actively update the PF and build modern surface ships, but there are two difficulties here: means and engines. For the latter, I must say thank you to the "wisdom" of the Bolsheviks and the one marked from Borya: some tried to "wear earrings for all the sisters," and others to ruin ...
  8. Evil 55
    Evil 55 12 July 2016 13: 37
    +10
    We have one enemy .. And at least two opponents ..
  9. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 July 2016 13: 43
    +1
    EU Monarchist Today, 13:22 New
    Abundance is not yet an indicator of quality, but the Chinese are known for their perseverance.

    I agree in this part. Recently: the Chinese are building a new home. Woods tied with ropes. Hard workers run around them, and the forests walk with a shake. I say to the Chinese: Fall, kill! Answer: Nothing, they will send another!
  10. donavi49
    donavi49 12 July 2016 13: 51
    +7
    Well, by the way, they have Type-039A - with VNEU. But on the Premier League, yes, according to open sources, there is sadness and longing. The surface fleet, they now look more powerful than the underwater fleet.

    Ah, and compare the submarine of the PLA Navy where 95% of the boats are diesel (and still old Type 035 - that is, tracing paper from the Soviet 633 Romeo project, included) with the US Navy where 100% of the boats are not very atomic. Although, the same diesels will show themselves better in their waters, on complex depth maps, but atomic ones are an opportunity to project power in any region of the world, which China does not have, unlike the United States.
  11. black
    black 12 July 2016 13: 53
    +3
    The main US strategy, in the event of a war with China (and no one is going to bullet with nuclear missiles), is a sea blockade. Beijing is not in vain developing ties with the north. Here you have a gas pipe and a railway. The issue is no longer in the quality of weapons. The question is what dare China and where America is ready to retreat.
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 12 July 2016 21: 20
      0
      For the United States, retreat will be like death, do not forget that the United States is in NATO and most likely an attack on a NATO base even abroad will be considered an attack on NATO, China will not be blocked alone, whether they want or not, the United States will pull the "allies" by the balls.
      And the comparison of the submarine fleet and the US fleet is extremely incorrect, there are other players in this region who will side with the United States (Japan, Korea, possibly India, the countries of the NATO bloc which, in the case of a large sucker, will make another trifle interfere)
      China may not pull in this situation.
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 12 July 2016 21: 55
        0
        As a child, I heard the proverb: "You can be a herd and daddy" so will the PLA and NATO. But personally, I would regard this news as another incentive to pull up the aircraft to the required level.
  12. Izotovp
    Izotovp 12 July 2016 14: 01
    0
    But nothing that China has as much pl as we have ?! However !!
  13. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 12 July 2016 14: 19
    +7
    Yes, a colossal leap forward! It is not the United States with Russia that should extend the START Treaty, but should they already negotiate with China? The Chinese wanted to sneeze at the decision of The Hague on the "annexation of the disputed islands" and the West will not apply any sanctions to the PRC for "Nash Crimea", forget it !!! Here you can see - a strong state in military, political, and economic terms! Alas, in comparison with the Russian Federation, alas and ah? But some 10 years ago we laughed at the "pathetic attempts" of the Chinese, but time goes on and "grain by grain" .... And now it's no laughing matter, it's time to think about it, but what next? And to what heights or depths can the modern Chinese "defense" and the army fly or dive? Well, "couch strategists and tactics", proclaim "a la patriot" "about who is to blame and what to do"?
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 12 July 2016 16: 36
      +2
      It's just that they have publicly shot corrupt officials.
  14. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 12 July 2016 14: 35
    0
    The Chinese tickle a mustache for a paper tiger. laughing

    The A-measures, of course, are tarnished; again the military budget is being extorted. am
  15. Wolka
    Wolka 12 July 2016 14: 35
    +1
    everything is relative, quantity does not mean quality, but the application is serious and made for everyone ...
  16. tiredwithall
    tiredwithall 12 July 2016 15: 05
    +4
    “If in the old days, Chinese submarines were considered quite noisy

    now the crews on combat duty have replaced aluminum spoons and bowls with wooden ones, forbidding champing while eating.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 12 July 2016 21: 59
      0
      A joke in my opinion is of little relevance
  17. vetor
    vetor 12 July 2016 15: 58
    0
    And Russia walks in the aggressors. Progressive world community does not need to remember about China. Both ours and yours will be given a light when they consider that the time has come.
  18. lopvlad
    lopvlad 12 July 2016 16: 19
    +2
    chinese submarines

    while this shit can scare only small countries.
    In the field of weapons and its own electronics, Chinese is not taken for quality, but because of the cheap price.
    Countries that have money do not buy "Chinese" Kalashnikov, but from us in Russia.
    At the moment, we can safely say that the Chinese in the field of armaments are only busy copying other people's armaments and are not capable of creating from scratch.
    It took them almost a decade to create an analogue of the S-300 until they realized that they would have to buy, disassemble in pieces and stupidly copy another decade in Russia.

    Only two countries now have complete fundamental science and groundwork in all areas, and this is Russia and the USA. The USA knows this and does not stop trying to eliminate the RAS through liberals.
  19. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 12 July 2016 21: 10
    +2
    not always quantity - quality wins.
  20. Mentat
    Mentat 13 July 2016 07: 41
    0
    Quote: volot-voin
    Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
    Only the United States will not sit back - they will improve the means of detecting submarines

    The Chinese, too, are not sewn. The country of electronics no matter how.

    The country of manufacture of electronics on imported equipment.
  21. Mentat
    Mentat 13 July 2016 07: 57
    0
    Quote: KudrevKN
    Yes, a colossal leap forward! It is not the United States with Russia that should extend the START Treaty, but should they already negotiate with China? The Chinese wanted to sneeze at the decision of The Hague on the "annexation of the disputed islands" and the West will not apply any sanctions to the PRC for "Nash Crimea", forget it !!! Here you can see - a strong state in military, political, and economic terms! Alas, in comparison with the Russian Federation, alas and ah? But some 10 years ago we laughed at the "pathetic attempts" of the Chinese, but time goes on and "grain by grain" .... And now it's no laughing matter, it's time to think about it, but what next? And to what heights or depths can the modern Chinese "defense" and the army fly or dive? Well, "couch strategists and tactics", proclaim "a la patriot" "about who is to blame and what to do"?

    This economic breakthrough (and all the others connected with it), which is thoughtlessly sung by some especially uninformed citizens, cost China a lot, for example, groundwater pollution by 70%. Natural resources are not endless. In addition, China does not have the opportunity to fully supply energy with oil and gas, the vast majority of it still works on coal for them. Poisonous smog is already a constant “weather phenomenon” in industrial zones. In addition, China is expecting a leap in aging in the near future due to (forced) demographic policies.

    In China, pink elephants are not distributed, there are enough of their problems. As long as there is money, it is clear that they are investing them including to the defense industry, but China has to solve a considerable number of vital issues in the foreseeable future. Defense money among them is clearly not in the first place.

    If they succeed in solving them successfully, fairly rapid development will follow further, if they slow down, in the next 30 years there will clearly be no time for submarines.
  22. Petr7
    Petr7 15 July 2016 17: 03
    0
    again NOT CORRECT - the United States all nuclear submarines and no others