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F-35 developers talked about the "economy" of these aircraft

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The more often in the camp of the US allies, doubts are voiced about the feasibility of purchasing multi-purpose X-NUMX fighters of the F-5 generation, the more actively American propaganda aimed at pushing contracts comes into play. So, at the international air show that opened in Farnborough, it was stated that the American F-35, for all their high prices, in fact “allow them to save money”.

F-35 developers talked about the "economy" of these aircraft


Thus, a special report was published concerning the use of F-35 aircraft in the Italian Air Force and other NATO countries. It must be recalled here that in the Italian Cameri (Piedmont region), an F-35 is being assembled in an enterprise called FACO. The report, prepared specifically for dubbing at the Farnborough air show, states that if the Italian Air Force used F-2011 aircraft in 35 in Libya, the savings in the operation for the Italian military budget would be about 100 million euros. It is also said about saving when using Italian air bases for F-35. Reported by the American information portal Defense News.

In 2011, during the NATO joint operation against Libya, Italy first provided its allies in the military bloc with seven of its bases, and then joined the air attacks itself, using military aircraft in 12 operation.

Now the speakers for the promotion of F-35 decided to "analyze" what "how profitable" would be for Italy to use the latest American F-35 aircraft in such operations. The report notes that if the F-35 was then in the Italian Air Force, "the operation could have been carried out with smaller forces."

Some strange analytical calculations of those who prepared such a report. Approximately with the same success it can be stated that if the Allies had had F-35 during the Second World War, then the cost of the war against Nazi Germany would have been less, and the war itself would have ended faster ...

The F-35 report on the “economy” looks more like an advertising campaign from the developers of this very “raw” combat vehicle, which the USA is trying to promote by hook or by crook on the world market.
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  1. Vend
    Vend 12 July 2016 12: 38
    +7
    Attempts by PR do not stop laughing
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 12 July 2016 12: 45
      +1
      F-35 developers talked about the "economy" of these aircraft
      any car can be made "economical", but it will not drive well ...
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 12 July 2016 12: 49
        +10
        U-2 was economical and flew. But low and not fast ... Although the plane was excellent for its niche.
      2. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 12 July 2016 12: 51
        +1
        Since the F-35 really sucks, let them accept and sell. Then, buyers will have many problems with such weapons.
      3. Mifcada
        Mifcada 13 July 2016 07: 50
        0
        It will be possible to judge the F-35 when it destroys Iranian objects covered by the latest version of the S-300. But even then they will write on this resource that the F-35 is a child prodigy and he was lucky that the stupid Iranians could not use the best technology in the world.
        1. Connie
          Connie 13 July 2016 14: 49
          0
          The newest export one that stood at customs due to the bootstrap of DAM was 10 years old, and then it just turned off as if it had raided a Syrian reactor.
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz 12 July 2016 12: 50
      +10
      There is some truth in them. The F-35 was conceived as a versatile combat unit. And a fighter-interceptor, a front-line bomber, and an attack aircraft - all rolled into one. Three modifications of the F-35 were originally supposed to be a single replacement for almost all combat aircraft of previous generations, not only of the US Air Force, but also of their NATO allies. If everything went right, then the purchase of one aircraft instead of a whole line of different ones would help to save the state budget ...

      But ... Not a single, even the most thoughtful plan, can withstand a collision with the harsh reality. The F-35 "Penguin" today is not capable of fully performing either the functions of an interceptor, or an attack aircraft, or a near bomber.
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 12 July 2016 13: 35
        +7
        Quote: Wiruz
        But ... Not a single, even the most thoughtful plan, can withstand a collision with the harsh reality. The F-35 "Penguin" today is not capable of fully performing either the functions of an interceptor, or an attack aircraft, or a near bomber.


        The idea of ​​making three in one is an initially failed idea. How many times already in aviation have such attempts been made and all ended in failure. Recall at least attempts to use the I-153 as an attack aircraft at the beginning of the war ... Nothing good. But the IL-2 was a legendary machine. So now, the American lohkid martin was hardly aware of the utopianism of their idea, but competent PR, a bribe to lobbyists who need a woo-a-la contract in their pocket. Yes, what a CONTRACT! So much money for cutting Serdyukova with Vasilyeva, even in her wildest dreams, could not have imagined!
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 12 July 2016 17: 14
          +1
          In addition, there is a clear fading of American leadership in the technological field. So much for liberal American schools, the nation is clearly becoming dumb. If earlier (40-70s) they did an excellent job with the creation of new technology, such legends as F-4 or F-15, now they are starting to slip. Let these planes were no better than ours, but they were worthy opponents. A clear decline is also visible in the space sphere; they are no longer able to send a person into space. Now their tantrums are clear regarding Russia for any reason, they feel the beginning of the end.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 12 July 2016 17: 35
            +1
            Quote: Orionvit
            So much for the liberal American schools, the nation is clearly growing dumb. If earlier (40-70е years) they did a great job with the creation of new technology, such legends as F-4 or F-15, now they are starting to slip.

            And you can about slip - with examples?

            Quote: Orionvit
            Obvious decline is visible in the space sphere, to send a man into space, they are no longer able to. Now their hysteria about Russia is clear for any reason, they feel the beginning of the end.

            Damn, brilliant. Afar, write
            1. Connie
              Connie 12 July 2016 20: 30
              0
              RD-180, FGB "Zarya", Yak-141, and what they now use on the ISS
              Quote: Pimply
              with examples?
              1. Connie
                Connie 12 July 2016 21: 02
                +1
                And why all these examples minus just one?
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 12 July 2016 22: 19
                -1
                Quote: Connie
                RD-180, FGB "Zarya", Yak-141, and what they now use on the ISS

                And examples of what it is?
                1. Connie
                  Connie 12 July 2016 22: 33
                  0
                  What did I ask. It would slip if the wheels were spinning.
      2. iwind
        iwind 12 July 2016 14: 14
        0
        Quote: Wiruz
        There is some truth in them. The F-35 was conceived as a universal combat unit. And fighter-interceptor, and front-line bomber, and attack aircraft - all in one. Three modifications of the F-35 were originally supposed to be a single replacement for almost all combat aircraft

        Is everyone? F-16 (fighter-bomber), f / A-18 only the usual hornet (similar), av-8 (svpp), and another a-10 but here the issue of writing off attack aircraft as a form of aviation is more. And at the moment, no one writes them off until at least 20 years.
        So I do not see the cancellation of all kinds. Basically, one fighter-bomber changes another. F15 and f-22 etc. remain
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 12 July 2016 14: 37
          +2
          Nobody will write off the F-22. Of course, the "old" aircraft will still serve, and not only until 2020, until the "Penguins" come to replace them. The F-15 and F-16, despite the fact that these are vehicles of different weight categories, will gradually be replaced by the F-35A. F / A-18 - on the F-35C. AV-8 - on the F-35B. Well, at least if the Pentagon doesn't change its mind.

          By the way, "our favorite" F-35 has recently been harshly fucked by McCain! McCain, Karl! The same senator who flatteringly praised this flying vessel a couple of years ago.
          1. iwind
            iwind 12 July 2016 15: 38
            -1
            Quote: Wiruz
            Nobody will write off the F-22. Of course, the "old" aircraft will still serve, and not only until 2020, until the "Penguins" come to replace them. The F-15 and F-16, despite the fact that these are vehicles of different weight categories, will gradually be replaced by the F-35A. F / A-18 - on the F-35C. AV-8 - on the F-35B. Well, at least if the Pentagon doesn't change its mind.

            F-15 to f-35 do not change. Only f-16 when it comes to the air force.
            And why are the F-16s different? All aircraft are of the same class.
            Quote: Wiruz
            By the way, "our favorite" F-35 has recently been harshly fucked by McCain! McCain, Karl! The same senator who flatteringly praised this flying vessel a couple of years ago.

            For boinga money i'm not surprised. Here he as an expert does not impress me. In America, the system of weights and balances is very developed. There are always supporters and opponents.
            At one time, the f15 program was nearly closed.
            1. Connie
              Connie 12 July 2016 21: 07
              +1
              The theater of the absurd, the F-16 Americans have so far nothing to replace in terms of maneuverability. Especially not the F-35m in which it is below the baseboard.
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 12 July 2016 21: 28
                0
                Quote: Connie
                The theater of the absurd, the F-16 Americans have so far nothing to replace in terms of maneuverability. Especially not the F-35m in which it is below the baseboard.

                I think you are weakly interested in the topic.
                On March 1, the Kampflybloggen website (the official blog of the Joint Strike Fighter NATO Air Force Rearmament Program under the Norwegian Ministry of Defense) posted a text by Major Morten Hansche, who in November 2015 became the first Norwegian to fly an F-35 Lightning II. The pilot serves as an instructor at the US Air Force Base in Arizona. In his text, the tester called on "those who doubt" and criticized the conclusions about the poor qualities of the aircraft in close combat.
                “This plane is special! Those who call him a bomber will be surprised a lot when they see him, ”Hanshe writes in the English version of his text. Hanshe rebuked those who call the multifunctional aircraft a "bomber", and those who hint that it is not suitable for fights with other aircraft. “My opinion is that this is a plane that allows me to be ahead and behave more aggressively than is possible on the F-16,” Hanshe admits. So, Hanshe believes that the F-35 is capable of flying at much greater angles of attack, than F-16.
                "The improved ability to aim at the enemy allows me to use ammunition faster than I used to do it on the F-16," writes Hansha, who had flown on a fighter of the previous generation for more than 2 hours.
                At the limiting angles of attack, the F-35 reacts faster to pressing the pedals, which deflect the nose of the aircraft to the side, Hanshe writes.
                In a report, Hanshe points out the possibility of the F-35 shedding speed significantly faster than the F-16. “It may be difficult to understand why a fighter should be able to“ brake ”quickly,” writes the pilot. - During the attack, it is extremely important at which point I direct my nose at the enemy, who turns in my direction. At this moment, the distance between the aircraft is rapidly decreasing. The ability to slow down faster allows me to stay aimed at the enemy longer, which in turn gives a greater opportunity to open fire on him until the defensive and attacking positions change roles. ”
                1. Connie
                  Connie 12 July 2016 22: 17
                  0
                  When it seems they are baptized ... it’s to blame for the Partigenigen Hanshe on a good F-16 that had a bad sight, and he hangs his noodles about the maneuvering and braking of air combat.
                  1. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 12 July 2016 22: 47
                    -1
                    Quote: Connie
                    When it seems they are baptized ... it’s to blame for the Partigenigen Hanshe on a good F-16 that had a bad sight, and he hangs his noodles about the maneuvering and braking of air combat.

                    T / e Do you dispute the Norwegian test opinion? Very curious to know your background?
                    1. Connie
                      Connie 12 July 2016 23: 13
                      0
                      And what will it give? If the plane brakes well when the nose is deflected, then this is bad - it loses speed well in the bend.
    3. gridasov
      gridasov 12 July 2016 12: 50
      +6
      This is a situation about which I repeatedly repeat that customers require new equipment operation parameters, and science in one place (low potential). Therefore, frankly they all lie !!! Science became paid up and ceased to be independent in the aspect of free development. It is simply impossible to offer something new that does not fit into the concept of a modern worldview. At the same time, people became hostage to dogma and stereotypes. Therefore, scientists and manipulate and PR that which is not and cannot be. And after me even a flood, they suppose.
    4. Juborg
      Juborg 12 July 2016 12: 53
      +1
      And what is the saving? Less fuel, give techies less, or just fly less? And it’s better to put them on the squares as monuments and let Russia get scared.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 12 July 2016 13: 48
        0
        It has an economical engine.
        It has fewer parts; replacing parts is much easier than with engines
        past generation.
        1. i80186
          i80186 12 July 2016 14: 03
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          It has an economical engine.
          It has fewer parts; replacing parts is much easier than with engines
          past generation.

          C 7:56 start to watch. Of course, I don’t know who Jacob Kedmi is, but he’s certainly not Putin’s agent. laughing
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 12 July 2016 14: 29
            +13
            Quote: i80186
            C 7:56 start to watch. Of course, I don’t know who Jacob Kedmi is, but he’s certainly not Putin’s agent.


            Do not destroy the holy faith of the Russian-speaking citizens of Israel in the miracle plane Fu-35. They firmly believe that as soon as this aircraft is adopted by the Israeli Air Force, a golden age will come in Israel! All Arabs will immediately commit suicide with their heads against the wailing wall and Israel will become the new Babylon. Iran will prostrate itself and disarm, the Saudis will give them their oil rigs and a new super state will appear on the globe under the code name "Israeli Empire"!

            Why disappoint a person ?!
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 12 July 2016 15: 19
              -3
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              Quote: i80186
              C 7:56 start to watch. Of course, I don’t know who Jacob Kedmi is, but he’s certainly not Putin’s agent.


              Do not destroy the holy faith of the Russian-speaking citizens of Israel in the miracle plane Fu-35. They firmly believe that as soon as this aircraft is adopted by the Israeli Air Force, a golden age will come in Israel! All Arabs will immediately commit suicide with their heads against the wailing wall and Israel will become the new Babylon. Iran will prostrate itself and disarm, the Saudis will give them their oil rigs and a new super state will appear on the globe under the code name "Israeli Empire"!
              Why disappoint a person ?!
              I did not read such an attitude to the F-35 because we well understand that this is just one of the AOI tools and nothing more. In general, I have never met an explanation why the F-35 is a bad plane. Excellent glider with maneuverability at the F-16 level. Breakthrough avionics. Exceptional availability of all components for repair services. Powerful engine. Excellent stealth performance.
              What's wrong?
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 12 July 2016 16: 54
              -1
              "All Arabs will immediately commit suicide with their heads against the wailing wall and Israel will become the new Babylon.
              Iran will prostrate and disarm, the Saudis will give them their oil rigs on the globe
              there will be a new super state ... //////

              What unusual thoughts come to your mind ... and a poetic presentation, I respect! fellow
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          2. Themi30
            Themi30 12 July 2016 14: 36
            0
            I certainly don’t know who Jacob Kedmi is, but he’s certainly not Putin’s agent

            You can read it right in the picture for the video.

            Native - as I understand it, this is the department of Massad that worked on the USSR.

            The task is "conducting intelligence activities and Zionist propaganda in the USSR"
            1. i80186
              i80186 12 July 2016 14: 40
              0
              Quote: TheMi30
              The task is "conducting intelligence activities and Zionist propaganda in the USSR"

              I don’t know in that sense. I do not know how it is perceived in Israel now. smile
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 12 July 2016 15: 13
                -4
                Quote: i80186

                I don’t know in that sense. I do not know how it is perceived in Israel now. smile

                As a politician long out of the game. He is retired from 96 years.
                1. i80186
                  i80186 12 July 2016 17: 03
                  +2
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  As a politician long out of the game. He is retired from 96 years.

                  But he probably still has more complete information about the real state of the entire F-35 project. Naturally, he has acquaintances in the security forces, and he can talk about this plane, and in general the need for Israel to acquire it. And what does he say? He says - "why is he needed then"? And he went so well on Israel's defense industry and its independence from the United States.
                  1. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 12 July 2016 17: 18
                    -1
                    Quote: i80186

                    But he probably still has more complete information about the real state of the entire F-35 project.


                    Where from? He has been retired for 20 years.
                    1. i80186
                      i80186 12 July 2016 18: 01
                      +1
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      Where from? He has been retired for 20 years.

                      I seriously believe that they retire from such structures in such a way that they don’t hear anything, they don’t see, and they don’t communicate with anyone?
                  2. tilix
                    tilix 12 July 2016 17: 36
                    +1
                    He says - "why is he needed then"
                    He says that there is no need and what for whom. Syria in .. well, you know, Iraq is also on the list. But he is out of work. And if you suddenly need it, he will keep the answer? He said and said, our pilots (those who fly, and not fight on the Internet) said that because of future goals it is necessary. So it’s necessary. The pilots asked - the motherland will do it.
                    1. i80186
                      i80186 12 July 2016 17: 56
                      +1
                      Quote: tilix
                      Syria in .. you know yourself

                      So why bomb it using the F-35? Little F-15? Do you seriously think that the USA does not use new planes for this, and yours will be? By the way, about the bombing and all that, and what is the US A-10 Thunderbolt II never delivered to Israel? It’s especially convenient to bomb them. Especially any comrades without air defense. And the main thing is cheap.
                      1. tilix
                        tilix 12 July 2016 19: 51
                        +1
                        So why bomb it using F-35?
                        And who said that they would bomb it like that? Or who did not say? Martial law does not end tomorrow, and Syria has not yet announced peace with Israel, Iran is threatening, everything can change dramatically in Saudi and Egypt, again our pilots said what was needed.
                        And besides all this, despite the opinion of the local "experts" this Papelats implies a new word and a new attitude to the air battle and to the "work" from the air, which means that you need to be ready and only simulators are needed.
                  3. Pimply
                    Pimply 12 July 2016 17: 37
                    +2
                    Quote: i80186

                    But he probably still has more complete information about the real state of the entire F-35 project.

                    Yasha is a former career diplomat who at one time was the head of the service, which by that time had not been a de facto special service for 15 for years. After retiring, Kedmi rides this horse for years 20. Last year thanks to the Internet began to go more actively. But an expert from him on the F-35 - about like a fish umbrella
                    1. i80186
                      i80186 12 July 2016 17: 58
                      -1
                      Quote: Pimply
                      But the expert from it on F-35 is about like an umbrella from a fish

                      Well, from him it may be bad, but where and from where the wind blows he knows for sure. Or, in your opinion, is he so, gagging smacks? I really don't think so.
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 12 July 2016 18: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: i80186
                        Well, from him it may be bad, but where and from where the wind blows he knows for sure. Or, in your opinion, is he so, gagging smacks? I really don't think so.

                        He smacks what people like to listen to.
          3. Aleksandr2012
            Aleksandr2012 12 July 2016 15: 15
            0
            And you take an interest, a very remarkable person with an interesting look at many things.
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    5. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 12 July 2016 17: 28
      +1
      Not everything is true a plane that does not fly is very economical!
  2. Pavel1
    Pavel1 12 July 2016 12: 39
    +4
    how to save? On fuel, maybe on maintenance, or does the F35 have a longer resource? Even it is doubtful, in short did not say ...
  3. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 12 July 2016 12: 40
    +5
    Something the United States itself does not use these "economical" aircraft in Syria. It can be seen a lot of money, they are furious with fat.
  4. Andrey K
    Andrey K 12 July 2016 12: 40
    +5
    ... American F-35s for all their high cost actually "allow you to save" ...

    Adams Family Advertising wassat
    American F-35s, of course, allow customers to save money ... on their stomachs and stitches laughing
  5. hirurg
    hirurg 12 July 2016 12: 40
    +5
    If, yes, if only ... If Libya had more advanced air defense, and indeed weapons, I would have looked at this savings.
    1. sivuch
      sivuch 12 July 2016 20: 05
      0
      There would be nothing to look at. According to the reviews of Soviet instructor pilots, the Libyans were out of competition in terms of curvature. There would be the S-300, Heaven and Foundations - the result would be the same, only with even greater shame
  6. ARES623
    ARES623 12 July 2016 12: 43
    +8
    "The report, prepared specifically for sounding during the Farnborough Airshow, says that if the Italian Air Force used F-2011 aircraft in Libya in 35, then the savings during the operation for the Italian military budget would be about 100 million euros."

    Here is the idiot !!! And if they did not climb into Libya at all, they would save even more. At the same time, they would not have received migrants, wars throughout northern Africa, the Middle East, ISIS and so on. All the expenses would be - to hire a couple of killers to strangle the American "woman's trinity" - Clinton, Rice and Power.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 12 July 2016 12: 47
      +1
      Quote: ARES623
      And if they had not climbed to Libya at all, they would have saved even more.

      you are wrong, they earned it.
      hire a couple of hitmen to strangle the American "woman's trinity" - Clinton, Rice and Power
      . two of them will not cope with these ...
      1. ARES623
        ARES623 12 July 2016 14: 17
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        you are wrong, they earned it.

        Maybe I missed something? Enlighten where the Italians earned in Libya?
        But for this aggressive "trinity" - they could not collect, they would ask for help. Judging by the TV, we were teaming up and mastered not such projects. These witches would go to the stake, like in the old days !!!
  7. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 12 July 2016 12: 44
    -5
    All-now the site will be littered with downed penguins !!! wassat Now they’ll dismantle it into molecules laughing even those that have not yet been built, our website patriots will knock down and trample laughing
    1. Banishing liberoids
      Banishing liberoids 12 July 2016 13: 51
      +1
      Shit-on the site at least five sextants from the "witnesses of the indestructible penguin" were marked with minuses! What, really don't like it - criticism of everything that you don't like? And those who put cons in their hearts hate this plane, but now the main thing is to show what we are for !!!
  8. shadow
    shadow 12 July 2016 12: 47
    0
    We must sell this rubbish, and for this all means are good. If it doesn't work, we must reassure the whole world that it works. How did Goebbels say there? "If you constantly tell a lie, it will become the truth." Like so. It's the same here.
  9. kotvov
    kotvov 12 July 2016 12: 47
    +2
    if the Italian Air Force used F-2011 planes in Libya in 35,
    and it would be better to use these FAAs in the Second World War, then the Italians would break the Amers. From the topic, so that it would be if .....
  10. Observer2014
    Observer2014 12 July 2016 12: 47
    +2
    F-35, the savings during the operation for the military budget of Italy would be about 100 million euros.
    laughing Let them buy .. The more the better. laughing How much consumables for this economical car?! I’m silent about spare parts. And in Libya, yes, just stealth camels weren’t enough to drive. Something like our partners how to bomb the weak so on those. And in Syria where Russia is somehow not so laughing
  11. Krsk
    Krsk 12 July 2016 12: 48
    +1
    and if Italy was sitting on the pope it would not have succumbed to the ravings of Sarkozy, then in general there would have been no spending ...
  12. Berkut24
    Berkut24 12 July 2016 12: 51
    +2
    Yes, they do not save much on pilots either - the American people do not want to fly sitting on defective catapults. And they also saved a lot on software. At first they called their brainchild a flying computer, and then they said that it sometimes needs to be rebooted, including in the air.
  13. Verdun
    Verdun 12 July 2016 12: 52
    +2
    If the cow is made of gold, then it doesn’t matter whether she eats weed or not. Even if it gives milk ...
  14. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 12 July 2016 12: 52
    +3
    I will repeat probably, but gossip of any experts and analytes that cannot be distinguished from the pylon from Mr. AN, Don (like the great tank expert, the biologist Pasha the felgenhauer) cannot be taken into account.
    Give the opinions of our pilots and designers who criticize him and laugh at him. Lightning goes through the stage of childhood diseases.
    in order to seriously criticize shortcomings 35 you need to have access to the results of test flights of this aircraft, and not to use the gossip paid by the American counterintelligence media and Experts.
    This is reminiscent of the statements of Ukrainian experds about Armata, not having access to classified information, relying on the opinions of experts (the same Pasha) who, in appearance, establish characteristics and conclude that Ukrainian developments are no worse.

    In history, there are many cases where underestimating the enemy led to an unpleasant result, for example, a sad acquaintance of the Germans with the T-34 and KV, Katyusha. because they did not believe that subhuman could do this in such volumes. do not be like them.
    Now we are laughing at him, but in the end we may not be pleasantly surprised. and then no one will remember their comments in the style of "yes, this is hey, but not a plane, only money is sawing.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 12 July 2016 13: 01
      -1
      This is for those who catch up with the results of test flights. But physics speaks for itself that it is impossible to achieve at least any savings, especially in combat conditions, if all the basic physical principles and design principles in their implementation do not contribute to this. Therefore, on these engines, there is no talk about anything further progress in increasing speed and, especially, saving.
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 12 July 2016 13: 20
        0
        But do not we, Russia, catch up with our T-50s? Or do you have 35 bad and do not need, and 50, a great car?
        And combat conditions and saving things are difficult to compatible. for example, t-50 is more expensive than instant 29, but it is needed. (did not understand the relationship between physical principles, design implementations, and economics)
        And about the engines, are you sure that they do not develop other engines like on the t-50?
        You do not have information, but will answer the opinion of experts. That's what I talked about!
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 12 July 2016 13: 37
          -5
          And I'm telling you that the T-50 engines operate on physical algorithms that do not allow either increasing the rotation speed of the "rotor" or increasing the temperature in the combustion chamber. I do not need to see the engine at all to understand that the limits of its capabilities have already been reached. The essence of the final result will not change from the fact that each specialist will speak about the merits of their products. It is necessary to see and understand why wave processes occur on the blades and why increase the temperature in the combustion chamber at all, when all this can be done differently and at the same time expand the limits of non-destructive rotation of the rotor. And amers have the same problems. Physics dear, does not allow amateurism.
          1. Riv
            Riv 12 July 2016 14: 57
            +3
            Physical algorithms? In Ukraine, along the way, everything is completely bad. :(
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 12 July 2016 15: 31
              0
              Does your day or life not go through processes differentiated in analysis, which are regular and are called algorithms in their sequence, cyclicity, symmetry? And while these processes are repeated in a new quality process. Apparently you just did not think about it. Therefore, in the process of moving the hydro-gas-dynamic flow along the blade, from the contact of the exaggerated point of this flow to its exit or disruption from the blade, all these are algorithms. Because each point has its own location and location and direction vector and energy and much more.
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    2. Connie
      Connie 12 July 2016 22: 29
      -1
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      Lightning goes through the stage of childhood diseases.

      if the baby is down, then this "childhood disease" will last for a long time ...

      a penguin is not a "bird", you do not need to have access to something to understand that Po-2 cannot be supersonic, so with this pepelats - at best, frighten the Iranian crows
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 12 July 2016 22: 49
        0
        Quote: Connie
        a penguin is not a "bird", you do not need to have access to something to understand that Po-2 cannot be supersonic, so with this pepelats - at best, frighten the Iranian crows
        as I read on one forum, it’s natural for a penguin to swim rather than walk, but the sky is the Fifth Ocean ...
        1. Connie
          Connie 12 July 2016 23: 23
          -1
          it’s good not to crawl if Iranian Tomcets are not around
  15. Abbra
    Abbra 12 July 2016 12: 54
    +3
    Oh, I smell, soon NATO will start saving ...
  16. 1536
    1536 12 July 2016 12: 54
    -1
    Generally flies without gas, listen, right? Like an iPhone, he’s straight, he flies himself, he calls, and he talks. Buy, what are you looking at, what is the road? Not expensive at all. And if you don’t take, what came?
  17. VP
    VP 12 July 2016 13: 07
    +1
    Strange article. No arguments are brought by the Americans reported, nothing to discuss, then why the article?
    About the fact that analytical calculations are strange, that is not written in them.
  18. Holsten
    Holsten 12 July 2016 13: 13
    +1
    I'm not talking about the F-35 as an expert, but as a goon who counts every coin in the budget: these sheep will devour their owners in the end, i.e. the price is too high for those who do not print money themselves. And it is the one who sells this miracle to Manitou who prints them. Loyal allies mortgage their economies, they print banknotes in debt, and they become the happy owners of the latest aircraft construction. But that's not all: for a "symbolic" fee, they are guaranteed a 20-year service for the purchased equipment.
  19. Dr. Barmaley
    Dr. Barmaley 12 July 2016 13: 15
    -1
    American F-35 for all their high cost actually "save money."


    Buy your F-35 squadron and save on education, medicine and pensions!
  20. iwind
    iwind 12 July 2016 13: 16
    +2
    Well, as always.
    I looked at the original. Everything is quite logical there. Savings due to less number of additional tests, no need to use specials. Reb and intelligence aircraft and expensive cruise missiles. It is also possible to use f-35b from the nearest bases.
  21. Machete
    Machete 12 July 2016 13: 24
    0
    With the cost of these aircraft and the cost of their service, talking about any savings is already silly.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 12 July 2016 13: 28
      +1
      Quote: Machete
      With the cost of these aircraft and the cost of their service, talking about any savings is already silly.

      And what is there, from series to series, the price drops.
      On July 7, Lockheed Martin said it expected to reach an agreement with the U.S. Department of Defense on the supply of 160 F-35 fighter jets worth $ 15 billion in the near future.
      Lockheed’s F-35 Program Manager, Jeff Babione, told reporters that negotiations on the 9th and 10th shipments of aircraft are “very, very encouraging.” The price of one F-35A aircraft in the 10th installment will drop to less than $ 100 million.
      The company further stated that it continues to work to further reduce the price of one fighter to $ 85 million by 2019. At the same time, on July 7, the US Department of Defense issued United Technologies Corp (namely its Pratt & Whitney Military Engines military unit) a fixed price contract for $ 1,51 billion to produce another batch of turbofan F135-PW-100 / PW-600 to equip F-35 fighters.
      These funds will be used to purchase components, spare parts and materials for the start of production of the 10th small batch of engines - 44 F135-PW-100 for the F-35A Air Force, four F135-PW-100 for the F-35C Navy and nine F-135-PW -600 for the F-35B Marine Corps. In addition, the allocated funds will be used to prepare the production of 36 F135-PW-100 engines and four F135-PW-600 engines for aircraft of foreign customers.
      Work will be carried out at facilities in East Harford (Connecticut, 89%), Indianapolis (Indiana, 8%) and Bristol (UK, 3%).
      According to some estimates, the price of one engine is up to $ 15,25 million (probably the maximum price for the version F-135-PW-600 is approx. Military Parity). The US Air Force F-35 Program Management says the price of one engine in a new batch is 4,2% less than in the previous batch. Some media reported that the cost of one engine should be reduced to $ 9 million.
      1. iwind
        iwind 12 July 2016 14: 25
        +1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        And what is there, from series to series, the price drops.

        Did you read about the contact on the flight pattern of the engine of the next generation of advent, including for the f-35? Flight 2018-2020
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 12 July 2016 15: 36
          0
          Everything is not right in terms of the organization of physical processes in it. This is no longer a breakthrough or at least some significant breakthrough into the future.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 12 July 2016 15: 46
          +1
          Quote: iwind
          Did you read about the contact on the flight pattern of the engine of the next generation of advent, including for the f-35? Flight 2018-2020

          Yes, 20 percent reduction in fuel consumption
  22. Operator
    Operator 12 July 2016 13: 24
    -2
    Damn, how low Penguin lowered - to the level of the Libyan Air Force laughing
    1. Connie
      Connie 12 July 2016 20: 41
      -2
      now they’re lowering you
  23. Evil 55
    Evil 55 12 July 2016 13: 27
    -2
    The combination of the hamster and the buffalo in Mattress led to the creation of the F-35 .. Now we have to try to sell the Homobuffer .. Horned, heavy, with short legs, with cheeks, pouches and very gluttonous ..
  24. Strength
    Strength 12 July 2016 13: 27
    0
    And pr what kind of efficiency is said about engines or something: https: //nplus1.ru/news/2016/07/12/three-stream
  25. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 July 2016 13: 36
    -1
    The report on the "economy" of the F-35 is more like an advertising campaign from the developers of this very "raw" combat vehicle,

    Well, brainwash, including your own, is fellow they are great masters!
  26. tilix
    tilix 12 July 2016 13: 48
    +1
    But that's not all, the price will drop even more, up to $ 35 mil per car.
    < http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/11/lockheed-martin-ceo-price-of-f-35-jets-down-57-pe
    rcent.html> It's a pity, of course, that the local sofa experts did not appreciate the car, well, I haven't installed a new mover to fix it.
    1. Connie
      Connie 12 July 2016 21: 14
      +2
      This "airplane" will not fly normally even with a gravity train. F / A-117 failed with two lol
      1. tilix
        tilix 13 July 2016 08: 24
        +1
        This "plane" will not fly normally, even with a gravity train.
        Well, it will not and will not be, the main thing is to calm down, on the couch, take a pill and do not worry. And if suddenly on you to attack you on a battle gang once, immediately on hypersound, its microwave oven two and teleportation to ... well, you know. And yes, according to the classics of the genre bully laughing >
        1. Connie
          Connie 13 July 2016 14: 52
          -2
          You’re not coughing after the klystir and writing such articles, and follow your color
  27. Mengad
    Mengad 12 July 2016 13: 52
    +1
    [quote = Wiruz] There is some truth in them. The F-35 was conceived as a versatile combat unit. And a fighter-interceptor, a front-line bomber, and an attack aircraft - all rolled into one. Three modifications of the F-35 were originally supposed to be a single replacement for almost all combat aircraft of previous generations, not only of the US Air Force, but also of their NATO allies. If everything went as it should, then the purchase of one aircraft instead of a whole line of different ones would help save the state budget ...

    there is truth in your words hi
  28. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 12 July 2016 14: 01
    0
    The F-35 was never seen as a specialized interceptor. This is a fighter bomber for the army of the Navy and the ILC.
  29. karelia-molot
    karelia-molot 12 July 2016 14: 07
    0
    And if the Italians did not climb into the Middle East at all, they would save not only money, but also nerves.
  30. Mengad
    Mengad 12 July 2016 14: 09
    0
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    The F-35 was never seen as a specialized interceptor. This is a fighter bomber for the army of the Navy and the ILC.

    Wiki: The F-35 was chosen in 2001 as a result of a JSF (Joint Strike Fighter, single strike fighter) contest between Boeing (model X-32) and Lockheed Martin (model X-35). The program provided for the creation of a single model fighter for the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps with the possibility of vertical and short take-off and landing to replace the F-16, A-10, F / A-18, AV-8B. The British Sea Harrier will also be replaced. The third model (McDonnell Douglas) was rejected due to the complexity of the design.
    1. Connie
      Connie 12 July 2016 20: 55
      -1
      What kind of model? There was no choice, they just bought it at Yakovlev Design Bureau, they finished it. English X-32 (P.1216) was an X-35 statistician and not a competitor, it’s clear to the fool, he has a large nozzle that is not rotary.
      1. Connie
        Connie 12 July 2016 21: 25
        -1
        more precisely, they didn’t buy but took away ...
        1. Connie
          Connie 12 July 2016 23: 41
          -1
          even here a minus, which is "unclear" - on takeoffs and landings the X-32 could not turn on the afterburner, to top it off there were no "cold" front nozzles as on the Harrier, which gave that additional 25% thrust in hover
          therefore, inside the plane there was nothing but an engine that barely lifted itself,
          and the competition was completely puffy, because everything was just done in the USSR
  31. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 12 July 2016 14: 11
    0
    Absolutely.
  32. KVashentcev
    KVashentcev 12 July 2016 14: 46
    0
    F-35 economical car! She saves time and money to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation!
  33. Приговор
    Приговор 12 July 2016 14: 48
    0
    Do not say bad things about the F-35. Now half of Israel will fight in hysterics ... laughing
  34. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 12 July 2016 14: 55
    0
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    Aron Zawi (4) Today, 14: 11
    Absolutely.

    It is interesting what Israeli pilots and engineers think about this aircraft, what are its advantages and disadvantages. and what will be the benefit of adopting it,
    And then we only experts say about him how bad he is.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 12 July 2016 17: 05
      0
      The F-35 is replacing the F-16. It works on the ground much more efficiently than the F-16, due to network-centric interaction in real time with ground forces and stealth for enemy air defense. The F-35 pilot "sees" a 360 ° panoramic virtual space. around the plane, no need to turn your head as before. More time remains on
      control "weapons" (strikes on the ground), less on the control of the aircraft.
      Like the F-16, it can conduct air combat, but is not intended to gain air supremacy.
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  35. Cananecat
    Cananecat 12 July 2016 14: 56
    -1
    The economical F-35 saves fuel by standing idle on the ground and places airborne.
  36. Sergey39
    Sergey39 12 July 2016 14: 58
    +1
    As Australian experts say - the third-generation f35 aircraft with elements of the fifth.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 12 July 2016 17: 38
      0
      Quote: Sergey39
      As Australian experts say - the third-generation f35 aircraft with elements of the fifth.

      So speaking Australian "experts"
      1. Connie
        Connie 12 July 2016 20: 44
        -2
        By the way they say right. As if not at all of the second, with its speed and maneuverability.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 12 July 2016 22: 23
          0
          Quote: Connie
          By the way they say right. As if not at all of the second, with its speed and maneuverability.

          My friend, what do you know about his speed and maneuverability?
          1. Connie
            Connie 12 July 2016 22: 37
            -1
            1,6M speed and that the MiG-21 is more maneuverable, my friend
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 12 July 2016 22: 52
              0
              Quote: Connie
              1,6M speed and that the MiG-21 is more maneuverable, my friend

              Who told you about the poor maneuverability of the F-35?
              1. Connie
                Connie 12 July 2016 23: 44
                0
                Who told about the good, and where would she come from (since the speed is well lost at the turn)?
  37. tasha
    tasha 12 July 2016 17: 09
    0
    Interesting. Let's see how the work on the ADVENT power plant will develop. The savings are really not small.
    As expected, a working prototype ADVENT powerplant with adaptive technology will be created by 2017; The new engine is planned to be installed on military aircraft after the 2020 year. According to the US Air Force, the use of new fuel-efficient engines will reduce fuel consumption by 1,2 billion gallons per year (4,5 billion liters). Currently, US Air Force annual fuel consumption is about 2,5 billion gallons per year.
  38. isker
    isker 12 July 2016 18: 52
    0
    F-35 - an excellent operation KGB-GRU-FSB-NSA (underline as necessary) Russia!
    As for Kedmi - a senile who has survived from his mind, he is an expert from him, like a mine surveyor from Gorbachev ...
    1. Connie
      Connie 12 July 2016 20: 46
      0
      How did you become aware of the real surname of Gorbachev? bully