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Russian generation 6 fighter jets will get microwave weapons and will be able to go into near space

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Russian aircraft 6-th generation will fly at hypersonic speed, and be able to enter the near space, transmits TASS message from the advisor to the first deputy general director of the Radio Electronic Technologies concern (KRET) Vladimir Mikheev.



He noted that "the fighter of the sixth generation will be created in parallel in two versions - manned and unmanned."

“The basic principle of this aircraft is the so-called flock, a collective solution to any task. In the group of such aircraft will be one or two manned, the rest unmanned. And those and others will be able to automatically perform all flight functions, ranging from takeoff to the performance of combat missions and landing, ”said Mikheev.

According to him, "a manned fighter will receive reduced characteristics." Only the unmanned version will have full technical capabilities. These include "movement with hypersonic speed (Mach 4-5) and the possibility of entering into near space."

In addition, promising aircraft will be armed with "electromagnetic guns that can completely disable enemy electronics," a KRET representative said.

"Fighters of the sixth generation - it will be planes that combine hypersonic flight speed, low visibility, high security, artificial intelligence for work in a group and the most modern weapon - including electromagnetic, “- he said.

“A microwave weapon forms a directional electromagnetic pulse, capable of disabling complex electronic devices at a great distance - for example, radar or missile guidance systems. Electromagnetic guns that exist now in Russia can turn off the enemy’s electronics for a while. The development of this technology will lead to the fact that the impact of microwave weapons will destroy the element base of the goal, that is, completely disable it, ”the adviser explained.

According to Mikheev, the unmanned version of the fighter will be armed with such guns, since a powerful electronic pulse can easily kill the pilot.

“The sixth generation aircraft will receive a unified electronic warfare system, in which the same device will be both a locator, an EW tool, and a data transmission system, also performing navigation and state functions. The PAK FA radar can also work for reconnaissance and EW, and the EW system, in turn, is engaged in radar. That is, the integration and redistribution of functions is already happening, ”he said.

Development of the aircraft 6-th generation is already underway. It is assumed that he will rise into the air at the beginning of 2030's.
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  1. Muvka
    Muvka 12 July 2016 12: 21
    +60
    Impossible. Then, in a nearby news story, a man wrote that we have neither factories for production, nor personnel. Some old people stayed. True, I hear this 10 years already. We have the most immortal old people in the world.
    1. Dimontius
      Dimontius 12 July 2016 12: 26
      +6
      if by then humanity will remain on the planet ...
      1. potroshenko
        potroshenko 12 July 2016 15: 38
        +4
        The development of the 6th generation aircraft is already underway. It is assumed that it will fly into the air in the early 2030s.

        It looks like a crisis of the genre in the news, such noodles are already being printed from the great manager and science fiction writer Mikheev.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 12 July 2016 16: 01
          +2
          Quote: potroshenko
          It looks like a crisis of the genre in the news, such noodles are already being printed from the great manager and science fiction writer Mikheev.

        2. RUSIVAN
          RUSIVAN 12 July 2016 16: 11
          +1
          The science fiction is not science fiction, but the news has been thrown, now let the West wonder if it is true or a bluff, this is what the news is for, and you have spread demagoguery here and in vain "drive" Mikheev.
          1. Bath
            Bath 12 July 2016 18: 05
            +1
            And the next generation of Soviet people will live under communism))) where the grass is greener and the noodles on the ears are longer drinks
          2. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 13 July 2016 00: 39
            -1
            Quote: RUSIVAN
            The science fiction is not science fiction, but the news has been thrown, now let the West wonder if it is true or a bluff, this is what the news is for, and you have spread demagoguery here and in vain "drive" Mikheev.

            Yes, this nonsense is thrown at least every year every couple of weeks. And every time it’s getting worse. It is a pity that they did not tell what the fighter will do in space - to shoot down satellites or ICBM warheads.
          3. Yars
            Yars 14 July 2016 10: 48
            -1
            Quote: RUSIVAN
            The science fiction is not science fiction, but the news has been thrown, now let the West wonder if it is true or a bluff, this is what the news is for, and you have spread demagoguery here and in vain "drive" Mikheev.

            these are our "patriots", so to speak, with large shoulder straps, the so-called whiners, all-fugitives! You can immediately see how they love and believe in their homeland!
            1. Skifotavr
              Skifotavr 14 July 2016 23: 40
              0
              Excuse me for spoiling someone's fabulous mood or love for the homeland, but for me it has no nationality. Here I am such an enemy of the peoples. And I will add ahead of the curve: I don’t need to constantly remind which flag next to my nickname and tell who I am, especially if these "truth-tellers" themselves have German, Israeli and God only knows what flags. It was not I who invented this flag, and it was not I who betrayed my homeland.
        3. Oleg Lavrov
          Oleg Lavrov 12 July 2016 16: 37
          +4
          Hypersound was developed in the USSR, and now the unmanned product U-71 is already being tested, by the way, this is not news !!! ...
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 12 July 2016 16: 55
            -5
            I believe that it is always necessary to clarify what speeds are involved. Turbine blades at certain speeds of rotation and the effect of the corresponding flow flows on them begin to show active wave algorithmic vibrations. That is, they are first of the internal nature of the manifestation, and then manifest in the destruction of the material of the shoulder blades. So the same phenomena occur in aircraft with approaching critical speeds. Only destruction is of a different order and leads to a more immediate outcome. At the same time, the physics of the analysis of such a process liquefies only on the coefficients based on their laminar flow. So, one cannot believe in the achievement of real hypersonic speeds, while the methodology for their mathematical description is unknown.
            1. mad
              mad 12 July 2016 17: 13
              +15
              At the same time, the physics of the analysis of such a process liquefies only on the coefficients based on their laminar flow.

              Beautifully wrapped recourse current ... I alone did not understand anything ?! )))
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 12 July 2016 17: 20
                +9
                Quote: mad
                At the same time, the physics of the analysis of such a process liquefies only on the coefficients based on their laminar flow.
                Beautifully wrapped the current ... I alone did not understand anything ?! )))

                Who understands Gridasov himself becomes Gridasov .... wassat
              2. gridasov
                gridasov 12 July 2016 20: 30
                -3
                Why does everyone have to chew? All mathematics, as the language of analysis, can either be based on constants as a system of relative perception of all processes or on an ANALYSIS SYSTEM CONSTRUCTED on the dynamics of the transformation of processes. Well, the second one is definitely not pulling and do not judge yourself strictly. Therefore, the system regarding the perception of processes in the interaction of environments and everything that happens in them is a laminar duct. That is, that at least somehow can be described by these constants. Take any equation of Schrödinger, Novier Stokes, etc. and they all rely on very limited parameters of an idealized medium. That is, they do not consider the possibility of the diversity of the fact that the flow, depending on its state and interactions, has a variety of forms of behavior. Why do I say that the analysis of real events should provide for the entire 5-volume of aggregate variations. BUT!!! Possible potential variations of changes and transformations of any particular phenomenon in the process algorithm. Is it really difficult?
                1. vv3
                  vv3 12 July 2016 21: 29
                  +1
                  Verbal panos, in pseudoscience during the stagnation of such idiots 3 out of 4 ....
                2. aviator65
                  aviator65 13 July 2016 11: 54
                  0
                  Quote: gridasov
                  Why do I say that the analysis of real events should provide for the entire 5-volume of aggregate variations. BUT!!! Possible potential variations of changes and transformations of any particular phenomenon in the process algorithm. Is it really difficult?

                  Really, what is complicated? recourse
              3. gridasov
                gridasov 12 July 2016 21: 10
                +1
                I didn’t understand something - one in seven does not fit.
              4. vv3
                vv3 12 July 2016 21: 36
                +2
                Yes, he's kidding. There is no sense in his pseudo-phrases. This is a game like that. Or a patient of the same house ....
            2. avia1991
              avia1991 12 July 2016 20: 27
              +1
              Quote: gridasov
              So, one cannot believe in the achievement of real hypersonic speeds, while the methodology for their mathematical description is unknown.

              Do not carry nonsense! Mathematical models of hypersonic flight have long been created - like real aircraft that are already flying at these speeds!
              In addition, where did you get that
              Quote: gridasov
              Turbine blades

              will be the obstacle that the designers of the hypersonic aircraft will stumble over? Does the abbreviation "ramjet" mean anything to you? WHAT HERE ARE THE COMPRESSOR JET ENGINES ?! Even in the USSR, hypersound was being developed, and even then they knew that not a single turbojet engine was capable of developing the required thrust at the required flow rate!
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 12 July 2016 20: 56
                -1
                Sorry, but let's take it in order and as it is in reality. How and on what grounds is the mathematical model of the interaction between the flight environment and the outflow surfaces constructed? Modern mathematics is able to obtain only particular solutions and then, on variable values ​​of the number, receive mathematical sequences, which in the end can only give a schedule for changes in these particular definitions. This is true ? How, for example, as a mathematician, are you able to take into account the dynamics of transformation and complex interactions in that a huge system of the most important binders is changing. Not what !!!!. You generally do not have the transformation parameter of the most important interaction factor. Even if you collect all the supercomputers and multiply by an unknown number of times, they will always and anyway give you statistics, not analysis. This is what you understand. So don’t tell my slippers. I gave the blades as an example of the identity of processes in an object that has comparative characteristics. Of course, these are completely different complexes of processes, both in terms of dimension and energy, interacting with the environment and much, much more. One thing you have very accurately noticed is that turbine without rotating or moving parts will be applicable for super-hyper speeds. But the principle of operation with a controlled flow density will remain the same as in the level turbines, which in any case have to go through. Therefore, so far there is a discussion about such turbojet engines that operate on an extended scale and non-destructive rotation, and most importantly the issues of converting the energy of a substance from the environment as fuel, at least in the space of the Earth.
              2. Angestyr
                Angestyr 12 July 2016 21: 37
                0
                [quote = avia1991] [quote = gridasov] ..... a turbojet engine is not able to develop the desired thrust at the required flow rate! [/ quote]
                plus spacewalk
            3. vv3
              vv3 12 July 2016 21: 23
              0
              What kind of blades, there is a direct-flow engine, prototypes are accelerated by one-time boosters or a carrier aircraft. Stop verbiage, like the author of the article. Let them launch at least the 5th, because he is naked and all of fairy tales, one integration into the information system is worth it, because the latter is not there is, what kind of information link, which system. And that means there is no 5th. Again 4 ++++.
    2. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 12 July 2016 12: 29
      +9
      Quote: Muvka
      Then in a neighboring news man wrote that we have neither factories for production, nor personnel

      Or maybe they will build factories? Once it is necessary to start and build factories ... And the staff must begin to prepare, and not just managers and economists with diplomas bought ...
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 12 July 2016 12: 31
        +4
        Quote: Tartar 174
        Quote: Muvka
        Then in a neighboring news man wrote that we have neither factories for production, nor personnel

        Or maybe they will build factories? Once it is necessary to start and build factories ... And the staff must begin to prepare, and not just managers and economists with diplomas bought ...

        Not. He said everything, krants. We can go to die.
    3. Wolverine
      Wolverine 12 July 2016 12: 31
      +1
      Not everything is so sad, work is ongoing, now India has ordered radiation-resistant microchips from us ...
    4. Pavel1
      Pavel1 12 July 2016 12: 31
      +5
      where does KRET and Mikheev have to do with it? The new plane is first of all an engine, how are they going to "go into space", like pin_dos on gemini - to jump up, or is it all the same with the achievement of the first space? Well, then it is a liquid-propellant engine or a TTD, or like a Spiral, well then, these are dimensions that are not comparable to the fighter. The picture is unclear.
      1. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 12 July 2016 12: 44
        -2
        Tu-22 can go into near space with accelerators.
        1. Letun
          Letun 12 July 2016 15: 25
          +10
          Quote: serezhasoldatow
          Tu-22 can go into near space with accelerators.

          Yes, yes, but with dual accelerators even in the distant !!! 111
          PPC, commentators, where do you come from? And the funny thing is that someone else is plus! I wish these experts to the factory, to build a 6th generation aircraft lol
      2. guzik007
        guzik007 12 July 2016 12: 55
        +7
        where does KRET and Mikheev have to do with it? The new plane is first of all an engine, how are they going to "go into space", like pin_dos on gemini - to jump up, or is it all the same with the achievement of the first space?
        ------------------------------------
        In general, the concept of "near space" is the stratosphere, from 20 to forty km. And no "first space". And the transatmospheric ones appeared with us under Khrushche. Moment-
        interceptor. Ascent to 22 km. Correct if I am mistaken.
        1. Pavel1
          Pavel1 12 July 2016 13: 00
          +6
          Quote: guzik007
          In general, the concept of "near space" is the stratosphere, from 20 to forty km. And no "first space". And the transatmospheric ones appeared with us under Khrushche.


          This is for the Americans, who were not able to go into space in 60g, such vague concepts of "near space", "suborbital flight" appeared, but in fact, space is where the atmosphere ends and where you can fly in orbit without clinging to the atmosphere, somewhere 120 km ...
        2. Ze Kot
          Ze Kot 12 July 2016 18: 37
          +1
          Quote: guzik007
          In fact, the concept of "near space" is the stratosphere, from 20 to forty km


          The border of space - 100 km
      3. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 12 July 2016 14: 44
        +8
        Maximum - jump to 100 km or so, without any, even unlocked, orbits. It is not clear, really, what is there to do? - Adversaries will not be there.

        Recently, an incredible inclination to lies has developed - reusable missiles promise, nuclear tugs, and space planes, underwater drones, etc.

        And history shows that what is silent about is best done. What they are talking about is window dressing.

        I personally put on hypersound (we have almost deathly silence; only zapadentsy wail); with electronic warfare, anti-satellite weapons.
        1. aviator65
          aviator65 13 July 2016 11: 58
          0
          Quote: Gormengast
          And history shows that what is silent about is best done. What they are talking about is window dressing.

          Golden words!
      4. avia1991
        avia1991 12 July 2016 20: 32
        -1
        Quote: Paul1
        how are they going to "go into space"

        Actually, the "boundary of space" is considered to be an altitude of 100 km (in Russia). For an aircraft with a ramjet engine, which has a healthy atmospheric speed, this is not such an unattainable figure (meaning inertia).
        1. Connie
          Connie 12 July 2016 21: 49
          0
          The Americans count 50 miles (80 km), so some pilots who flew on the X-15 rocket plane received astronaut "wings".
    5. Makk
      Makk 12 July 2016 12: 51
      +9
      Impossible. Then, in a nearby news story, a man wrote that we have neither factories for production, nor personnel. Some old people stayed. True, I hear this 10 years already. We have the most immortal old people in the world.

      Go to the factory and share YOUR observations. It’s not a problem for you to set up production of an airplane that has not been produced since 1993, it’s probably working somewhere in the design bureau No. ?
      Sorry to distract, you think the buyer ..
    6. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 12 July 2016 13: 21
      +14
      Do they really exist? Or do you think that, exaggeratedly, a ship of the 2nd rank in 3-5 years, a hundred aircraft of various types per year, and fifty tanks a year is a normal industry? Do you know why now everything Soviet is shit? Because the Bolsheviks spoke little and did a lot, and the current capitalists talk a lot and do very little.
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    8. siberalt
      siberalt 12 July 2016 13: 48
      -1
      More effective nuclear weapons will not be any electromagnetic gun in the near future. It’s the same as to shoot down satellites from a mobile phone.
      You can, of course, organize an effective logging, no matter where you are near the border with Estonia, but this country will be blown away by the side effects. hi
      1. Connie
        Connie 12 July 2016 22: 01
        0
        I wonder what height will be the tsunami in the Danish Straits? And will endemic lichen islands of the Baltic Sea suffer? wassat
    9. meriem1
      meriem1 12 July 2016 13: 56
      +2
      Quote: Muvka
      Impossible. Then, in a nearby news story, a man wrote that we have neither factories for production, nor personnel. Some old people stayed. True, I hear this 10 years already. We have the most immortal old people in the world.

      No now, this does not mean that it will not! Sprinkle your head with ash while setting off in the heat of a liberal idea? Do not whine, but work hard! And everything will be- For those who want to work and create. Those who say a lot, so they live on grants from foreign intelligence service filling our ears with sticky and musty gonev.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 12 July 2016 18: 57
        +2
        Quote: meriem1
        Sprinkle your head with ash while setting off in the heat of a liberal idea?

        laughing You don’t need to sprinkle ash on your head, but high-precision plants and machines will not be taken out of nowhere, if you don’t do it now, then you will have to catch up even more, and corporations actually don’t like to strain hard or just ask for incredible funds for it, take a word, worked for two and I work in a third corporation, for global and urgent projects, the last pants, sorry shirt, can be removed from the state ...
    10. Skif83
      Skif83 12 July 2016 14: 55
      +1
      Then, in a nearby news story, a man wrote that we have neither factories for production, nor personnel.
      , but we have the most "omnipotent menagers", they will do everything, at least they will ask the dough as for what was done wassat
    11. vkl.47
      vkl.47 12 July 2016 15: 06
      +2
      Well, this is a run about the old people. Our KB also belongs to KRET. We make various avionics. And the young people work for us completely. About 80%. Those who are over 50. If you consider them as old people then yes ... in general, KRET starts to scare with its ideas)
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 12 July 2016 19: 03
        +1
        Quote: vkl.47
        yes ... in general KRET begins to scare with its ideas)

        Scare someone, but I personally am happy !!!
    12. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 12 July 2016 15: 15
      0
      Will wait...... laughing
    13. Buffet
      Buffet 12 July 2016 22: 44
      +1
      As a parent enterprise of KRET (one of the parent enterprises), what is happening is that Mama Do not Cry What airplanes are there? what kind of rebars ... here sn do not pay anymore (in the sense of being cut off), then look, they will introduce an abbreviation.
  2. Smoked
    Smoked 12 July 2016 12: 22
    +5
    And transform into a humanoid robot!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4aQQBLokNo
  3. FID
    FID 12 July 2016 12: 27
    +10
    It is simply translated into Russian: GIVE MONEY !!!, and there it will be seen ....
  4. Rostislav
    Rostislav 12 July 2016 12: 28
    +5
    The words of Mikheev and God in the ears.
    Good luck to the developers! Our land has not become impoverished with minds.
  5. activator
    activator 12 July 2016 12: 29
    +12
    6th generation Russian fighters will receive microwave weapons and will be able to go into outer space
    Women shouted cheers and threw caps into the air. fellow The sixth generation has already been sorted out; conversations about the seventh will begin soon. You cannot stop the progress.
    1. FID
      FID 12 July 2016 12: 36
      +4
      Quote: activator
      talk about the seventh will begin soon. You cannot stop progress.

      I'm afraid they’ll start talking about the tenth right away ....
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 12 July 2016 13: 01
        +3
        I'm afraid they’ll start talking about the tenth right away ....
        -----------------------------------
        value like this:
        We’ll have the sixth with the microwave gun, the seventh with the blaster, the eighth with the annihilator of the Aumeriki whiskers, and on the ninth we’ll install the ammunition with antimatter ...
        .... The tenth will be a shelf made of canvas invented after two hundred years by the surviving blacksmith from the Lower Govnischi.
        1. oborzevatel
          oborzevatel 12 July 2016 14: 06
          +8
          Quote: guzik007
          We’ll have the sixth with the microwave gun, the seventh with the blaster, the eighth with the annihilator of the Aumeriki whiskers, and on the ninth we’ll install the ammunition with antimatter ...

          They forgot about teleportation, by the year 2035 ... lol
          And, yes, more ...
          Take more:
      2. activator
        activator 12 July 2016 13: 05
        +3
        Quote: SSI
        Quote: activator
        talk about the seventh will begin soon. You cannot stop progress.

        I'm afraid they’ll start talking about the tenth right away ....

        Eh ... what is it ... against the backdrop of such news at AvtoVAZ, they decided to suspend the production of cars, considering this direction a dead end for themselves and switch to the production of flying cans in connection with this, the company was renamed LETAZ and by 2120 every Russian will be able to get a comfortable letazik . yes
      3. Connie
        Connie 12 July 2016 23: 57
        0
        Quote: SSI
        I'm afraid they’ll start talking about the tenth right away ....

        That's right, which in the F-35 Windows (software) is such a generation.
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  7. Forever so
    Forever so 12 July 2016 12: 31
    +6
    Ahhoy !!)) Closer and closer to space corvettes. VKS we or not VKS))
  8. Abbra
    Abbra 12 July 2016 12: 32
    +6
    And who, dear colleagues, said that in the secret hinterland, without announcements in the military academy, something of the seventh and eighth generation is not being done in Russia? If I knew my country, I would not be surprised ...
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 12 July 2016 13: 29
      +9
      This is an illusion of an amateur. A scientific and technological breakthrough is not accomplished by the invention or discovery of any one. For this, there must be comprehensive prerequisites for us to expand our methods of working with information, and most importantly, in terms of the depth of analysis. Only after that it is possible to analyze the complex of physical aspects on which the basic equipment works, and therefore it will be possible to see the direction of implementation of the effectiveness of these physical. effects. And only then comes the time of the inventors, when they can be realized in the specifics of technical solutions. WITHOUT SCIENCE and creative mind anywhere. The conclusion is that the outback cannot exist so that something happens and no one has noticed anything about it. Separate private solutions will not determine the totality of what will make it possible to make a breakthrough to a new technological level.
  9. antiexpert
    antiexpert 12 July 2016 12: 32
    +4
    the most important thing is to keep an army of all-fighters on feeding, which will yell that "everything is gone," and such as Serdyukov, so that under the cover of disinformation do what is necessary)))
  10. 1536
    1536 12 July 2016 12: 33
    +4
    S.P. Korolev, it seems, said: "I love fantasy in drawings!" There can be no progress without ideas. If only the adversaries did not intercept!
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 12 July 2016 13: 09
      +5
      Quote: 1536
      "I love fantasy in drawings!"

      When Sergei Pavlovich said this, he was referring to fantasy, already embodied in life. In this case, we are not talking about the drawings, but about the statement of the official. We have recently developed a whole genre of this kind - "bureaucratic fantasy".
      1. FID
        FID 12 July 2016 14: 01
        +3
        Quote: Verdun
        We have recently developed a whole genre of this kind - "bureaucratic fantasy".

        Pronounced by "talking heads", often not thinking about what they are talking about ....
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 12 July 2016 14: 00
      -3
      Alas! But the fact that in the drawings, just the same, needs to be justified.
  11. Engineer
    Engineer 12 July 2016 12: 34
    0
    I would say that not 6, but 7 generations, even 7 ++
  12. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 12 July 2016 12: 34
    .
    In my opinion, it is very possible that there may be no need for the T-50 anymore, look how technology has stepped up since the first showing of the T-50! I will not be surprised that our military-industrial complex will take and lightly wipe its nose on mattresses, releasing a 6th generation car in the final instead of the T-50, because according to the declared characteristics, the T-50 does not differ much from the "sixth", and we have every opportunity to make a breakthrough. lol
    1. potroshenko
      potroshenko 12 July 2016 15: 30
      +2
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov

      Too thick.
  13. gridasov
    gridasov 12 July 2016 12: 37
    +4
    Apparently this deputy director for interaction with the layman and his disorientation about where his taxes go. What is written in the article does not fit into any framework of reality or even the immediate prospects of development. Hyperspeed directed rays of death - "bullshit". They don't even have a theoretical foundation for their work, but it already promises.
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 12 July 2016 13: 00
      0
      They don’t even have a theoretical foundation for work ... Apparently, they rummaged in the wrong shelves and did not find ..
    2. Baikal
      Baikal 12 July 2016 19: 47
      0
      Gridasof, judging by your statements, your foundation was regularly strengthened during pregnancy in the area of ​​alcoholic beverage, trololo.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 12 July 2016 20: 37
        0
        You most importantly do not get distracted from the topic. Talk about booze and troll with those who have this talent. A lot of them . And if you have arguments, then share. It will be useful for me to understand my mistakes in reasoning. So far the opposite is true.
  14. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 12 July 2016 12: 38
    +1
    On five swings, you will make a "jump" into the upper atmosphere, and then there may not be enough fuel for landing. In near space, is it generally somewhere - only to near-earth orbit, or directly to selenium-centric? We criticize the American f35, or rather we fill it with falsifications, and we ourselves do not even have an accurate idea of ​​the sixth generation and its capabilities. Microwave gun - how much will the protection from its residual radiation weigh? Have you read science fiction? Postpone the release every year, but what will happen to your sixth generation - at least create a prototype by 50? In general, I am silent that in terms of dimensions such an airplane will approach a strategic bomber.
  15. alean245
    alean245 12 July 2016 12: 43
    +5
    Again Vladimir Mikheev took the floor. And again began to fantasize. Here, by the way, is a link to one of his previous pearls. smile
    http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/armed_forces/vladimir_mikheev_novyy_radar_kret_smoz
    het_sdelat_rentgen_samoleta /
  16. betta
    betta 12 July 2016 12: 44
    +3
    Or maybe they unwind on the expenses of amers? Arrange an arms race, guiding along the costly path, and they themselves will give an alternative?
  17. Nix1986
    Nix1986 12 July 2016 12: 47
    +10
    We should immediately think about the deck version of how this aircraft will land on a star cruiser. Populism is our pride, Russian Railways wants to build a hyperloop, but electric trains with Conders are still the rarest rarity, the list goes on and on. In general, I expected to see this speech from Rogozin, it is strange that he was not.
  18. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 12 July 2016 12: 47
    +3
    A microwave oven will most likely be there. First you need to deal with the 5 generation, and then talk about hypersound, near space, etc. Etc. When someone will be, probably. When will invent fundamentally new engines and materials. The only question is when. And so an article from the region - in the USSR to 1980. There will be communism. It’s good to fool, of course, but you have to be realistic. Not everything is lost, but not so good as they draw to us.
  19. Verdun
    Verdun 12 July 2016 12: 49
    +5
    message from the advisor to the first deputy general director of the Radio Electronic Technologies concern (KRET) Vladimir Mikheev.
    That is, PR is the opinion of a person who is not responsible for anything, even for his own words. These "advisers" are proliferating today like flies. I wonder if Lenin had an "adviser"? Or Stalin? Or Sergei Pavlovich Korolev? Or at Artem Mikoyan? The very presence of such "advisors" in any topic is, in my opinion, a signal that there will be problems. Previously, new developments were kept secret until real results appeared, and sometimes even further. And today there is still nothing, but we shout at every corner ...
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  20. Stas57
    Stas57 12 July 2016 12: 59
    +1
    I alone realized that he was piss .. sorry, pouring in my ears ?!
    maybe out of the banquet?
    although declare and create different things.
  21. avva2012
    avva2012 12 July 2016 13: 00
    +7
    - How will the flock of 6 generation aircraft operate?
    - In each flock there will be a main apparatus, further down the hierarchy there will be executing apparatuses that solve a specific task, for example, striking at ground targets, destroying enemy aircraft, reconnaissance, etc.
    UAVs will cover the plane in which the person is. A man boarded an 6 generation aircraft, the aircraft identified who it was — a squadron commander or a pilot. According to the status, he receives several subordinate unmanned aerial vehicles. They, in turn, understood that it was necessary to protect, for example, Lieutenant Petrov. And if Colonel Ivanov sat down, then he should have more slaves, and so on.
    - How will the recognition system work?
    - The pilot is integrated into the flight and navigation system and is connected to the on-board system through his helmet and a special flight suit. All his physiological data are taken into account. What overload he will withstand, what kind of training he has. Depending on this, the number of tasks he will be assigned more or less.
    A trained pilot manages to "digest", "digest" a much larger amount of information on an unconscious level. All this unmanned flock is a robotic complex, and man is only one of its components.
    - Do airplanes have similar integrated systems, for example, on PAK FA?
    - Yes, we are now working on individual solutions that will stand on the 6 generation, both on the 5 generation and on ground equipment. At PAK FA, individual elements of the flight navigation system are already installed.
    - What are these elements?
    - For example, the radar station on the PAK FA should be both a locator, and an intelligence system, and electronic warfare, and the electronic warfare complex, in turn, should deal with radiolocation issues. That is, the integration and redistribution of functions on the PAK FA is already taking place.
    The issue of such integrated equipment is very tightly practiced on many aircraft.
    Our likely friends go along the same path.
    http://warfiles.ru/show-123142-bespilotnaya-staya-raskryt-sekret-istrebitelya-6-
    go-pokoleniya-rf.html
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 12 July 2016 13: 20
      +2
      To understand the mechanism of group interaction, it is necessary to at least compare it with human actions (not all of this, even they can comprehend). The independence of all the individual components must be combined with the individuality and freedom of action of each. This is possible only if there is a systematic mathematically sound interaction, when there is a system reference point for everyone and for everyone with respect to which actions will be determined. So, based on the simple on a variable function of a number, it is impossible to build radial interactions that would determine the whole variety of varieties with the possibility of individualization in the actions of each. In other words, math calculation is not applicable. It is necessary to create mathematics that repeats the space itself with its functions, and this would be expressed by number, vector and potential. This is distribution mathematics. But nobody wants to hear this.
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp 12 July 2016 14: 39
        0
        Good afternoon, dear. They are not trying to solve such a problem directly. Spying on nature: the behavior of insects such as ants and bees.
        On engines: even when he entered, a person from the corresponding department said that a guy who defended his diploma on the engine’s project in one surface-space package had graduated and went to the research institute.
        In the mid-90s, our design bureau (I don’t remember which one), already commissioned by the Americans, began calculating 6th generation models. Already then there was a conversation about the simultaneous implementation of unmanned and manned models.
        Now it is necessary to invest in CAD so that developers can implement the most daring ideas, relying on the extreme developments of materialists, electronics engineers, chemists. After all, an engineer often does not know what already exists, for example, such an alloy that he (the engineer) can make the engine much more powerful and the designer has to "cut", adjust it to the materials he knows.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 12 July 2016 15: 18
          0
          Good afternoon to you too! You see, but YOU also reasonably note that the production of the device is the result of the labor and creativity of many specialists in different branches of science. Therefore, for my part, I will explain that, firstly, the engine should not be measured with power parameters. It needs to be measured by the parameters of the potential that it can provide in interaction with the transformation of "fuel" and what it will provide in this result in interaction with the external environment. And if this is so, then this engine should provide the minimum but optimal number of those stages of energy conversion of the air flow or any medium that flows through the outlet surfaces, so that then it can be turned not only into a self-sustained process of long-term action and without destruction, but have such a scale potential impact on the flow, so that you can use its potential energy. In fact, in the drawings, everything is quite simple and technologically convenient, more than in the modern concept of creating aircraft engines.
          When a person looks at the section of air-sea media, he sees only the perceived part of the interaction and he draws conclusions about the wave accordingly. However, the air that is not perceived, as obvious, is what exactly forms this wave on the surface in the dynamics of its transformation, and inside the wave it is a concomitant but independent process. To create a real and efficient engine, you need to understand exactly how transformation processes occur in nature. See the algorithms of these processes, their impulse perturbations on a particular vector, etc. It really is not given to everyone. Therefore, I am quite condescending to all sorts of responses. I admit, it is always important for me to see sincerity in expressions.
          Therefore, for a long time new engines are being created, because there is no sound physical process, there is no basic source tool for analysis.
          1. Izotovp
            Izotovp 12 July 2016 16: 12
            0
            Yes, I understand what you are talking about and I understand all the complexity (although I did not graduate from a university, they taught, damn it, very well!). And about the elasticity of the medium and about resonance phenomena ...
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 12 July 2016 16: 30
              +2
              This is the whole problem, that there are a lot of terms, concepts, definitions and all this needs to be coordinated. Therefore, I often talk about the methods of first matching all the processes in the analysis, and only then comes the moment of understanding how to organize them in devices. Without fundamental advances in physics and mathematics, an army of engineers will stagnate, which is happening now. There are no theoreticians — they are all in space, but concrete developments are needed in the field of new types of coordinated movements, an understanding of the processes of ionization and cavitation. You just need to go on to the substantiation of highly dynamic processes in the medium and their concentrated flows. We need substantiation and their areas of application. And this is all that I speak about at the hearing of the leading scientists of the world. But there is no one whom they would like to hear.
              1. Baikal
                Baikal 12 July 2016 19: 52
                0
                Hehe, people read what it wrote and toss the clown a coin in a jar))
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov 12 July 2016 21: 17
                  0
                  Indeed, if it weren’t for people like you, then I would relax.
              2. Izotovp
                Izotovp 12 July 2016 20: 01
                0
                I subscribe to every word! hi
                Often, the same processes are said differently and even argue that something is wrong or vice versa cannot transfer successful experience in solving a problem in one area to a similar problem in another.
      2. FID
        FID 12 July 2016 14: 41
        +1
        Quote: gridasov
        But nobody wants to hear this.

        Nobody wants to listen to Mikheev’s ravings about Lieutenant Petrov and Colonel Ivanov ...
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 12 July 2016 15: 23
          0
          Yes, but these nonsense exist and they cannot be ruled out as a manifestation of the activity and their results that these nonsense hide. You can only see nonsense, but I delve into every post and Mikheev's nonsense let me know that everything is pretty bad in terms of the existence of new ideas and ways to search for them, not to mention the development and implementation of these developments. Can an official of such a rank and such an office "bleat with absurdity." This is, firstly, insulting in relation to smart people, and secondly, it is unworthy of such a company. The best were silent or lied artfully.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 12 July 2016 18: 07
      +1
      "For example, a radar station on the PAK FA should also be a locator,
      and the reconnaissance system, and electronic warfare, and the electronic warfare complex, in turn, should deal with issues of radar "////

      This is absolutely correct. The F-35 did just that.
  22. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 12 July 2016 13: 00
    +1
    If you sit on the old groundwork, tomorrow again we will begin to moan about the backlog. Presumably, there is a problem, a concept is defined, and what will be the output is another question. To be honest, I don’t believe in everything, but I need to work.
  23. iskander491
    iskander491 12 July 2016 13: 05
    0
    Brad.
    We haven’t done 5 yet, but the author about star wars is broadcasting to us with might and main.
  24. Muvka
    Muvka 12 July 2016 13: 17
    -2
    It would be nice to endure in the news. http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/80286/
    This is again to the question of a collapsed industry.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 July 2016 20: 38
      -2
      Basically yelling about the collapsed industry, those who have nothing to do with it.
  25. pavelty
    pavelty 12 July 2016 13: 20
    0
    Oh, these storytellers ... and the Mikheevs in our military-industrial complex have too much, and everyone is talking, talking))
    1. atalef
      atalef 12 July 2016 13: 22
      0
      Quote: pavlentiy
      Oh, these storytellers ... and there are too many Mikheevs in the military-industrial complex

      mihanov laughing
  26. propolsky
    propolsky 12 July 2016 13: 22
    0
    The intentions are of course chic. I hope the performance will not lag behind. It is interesting, but how is the appearance of the next generation aircraft formed, who is driving the ideas?
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 12 July 2016 13: 48
      0
      Obtaining a sufficient and balanced energy potential of the propulsion system will fundamentally change the shape of the aircraft. This will allow the creation of an aircraft according to a modular scheme of stamped and a fairly expanded scale of dimensions and details. For the first period, the main problems will be ensuring the viability of the pilot.
      1. Aleksandr1959
        Aleksandr1959 12 July 2016 14: 16
        0
        For the first period, the main problems will be ensuring the viability of the pilot.

        Yes, in particular, the question will arise about what kind of overloads will be during maneuvering the aircraft. And what a pilot can handle.
        1. FID
          FID 12 July 2016 14: 44
          +1
          Quote: Aleksandr1959
          And which pilot can stand

          Modern aviation, supersonic (up to 3M, maybe a little more) - operational overloads up to 9 "same" (consciousness fades ...)
          1. Aleksandr1959
            Aleksandr1959 12 July 2016 18: 44
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            Modern aviation, supersonic (up to 3M, maybe a little more) - operational overloads up to 9 "same" (consciousness fades ...)

            Sergey Ivanovich, about which I am writing. When the spacecraft is put into orbit, overloads arise, as far as I remember, up to 7. With a ballistic descent from orbit, there may be more.
            In aviation, in addition to PPC, in my opinion, nothing was invented. And that, so that the blood does not pour from the head, to exclude loss of consciousness. But something else ... there is an eye in science fiction novels.
  27. doework
    doework 12 July 2016 13: 23
    +2
    The Russian "industrialist" knocks money out of the treasury in various ways ... including with the help of fairy tales ...
    Blah blah blah ... - do not toss the bags
  28. Xmyp
    Xmyp 12 July 2016 13: 25
    +2
    Quote: Muvka
    Impossible. Then, in a nearby news story, a man wrote that we have neither factories for production, nor personnel. Some old people stayed. True, I hear this 10 years already. We have the most immortal old people in the world.

    You are in vain Petrosyan not far-off just like that. Write me, what new plants and capacities appeared in 10 years? And where do you work? Have you traveled a lot around the country?
    If you can’t do this and write about the construction of factories (capacities), I will sign you for a cheap pi .... la.

    I understand that it is not necessary to shout out chants about how we will throw everyone a hat. People like you distract from the real problems that exist in the country.
  29. Machete
    Machete 12 July 2016 13: 26
    0
    We still have to live up to this.
    This is a matter of two decades.
  30. K-50
    K-50 12 July 2016 13: 27
    +2
    6th generation Russian fighters will receive microwave weapons and will be able to go into outer space

    There is still neither the weapon itself, nor the engines capable of taking the fighter into near space. request
    Why are such high-profile statements made by journalists? Unclear. request
  31. SNIF
    SNIF 12 July 2016 13: 28
    +1
    The Chinese microwave will be stuck in, not otherwise. It will be possible to warm up the meal and punish the foe. I even came up with a name for such things - "dual-use technique")
  32. Riv
    Riv 12 July 2016 13: 42
    +1
    Cool ... The talker bird is worth the whole zoo. But why is the future aircraft inferior to the X-Wings from Star Wars? Where are the blasters and Jedi?
    He started to lie, so lie on a grand scale. You bring PAK-FA to mind and fix the mass production, and then dream about space.
  33. Forest
    Forest 12 July 2016 14: 00
    0
    The people, I understand, sharpen everyone’s hunt, but what about the designers, sit on their paws for years? An airplane is created from scratch not in a day, but in decades. In addition, the F-35 developments began with the 87, and will be fully operational only next year. When the fantasy was the creation of avionics, which allows you to control the aircraft without the participation of a pilot, and somehow in the USSR they were not afraid to apply an unstable scheme for the Su-27. We will sit still - and remain in the 3 countries of the world. But after 100 years we will write that the T-50 became the most numerous fighter of the 5 generation.
  34. Yarik
    Yarik 12 July 2016 14: 02
    +2
    Some kind of nonsense, that is. the impulse can "easily kill the pilot", but its own electronics? Or does it not touch where it says "made in china"?
  35. Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 12 July 2016 14: 27
    0
    On our plane "artificial horizon" as foreign will be?
    1. FID
      FID 12 July 2016 14: 45
      0
      Never, different approaches ...
      1. Connie
        Connie 12 July 2016 21: 55
        0
        On the indicator on the windshield the same approach?
  36. Wolka
    Wolka 12 July 2016 14: 30
    0
    and where does the author get such awareness from, the question begs itself that he smoked or ate today ...
  37. russmensch
    russmensch 12 July 2016 15: 34
    0
    And I liked the statement. The main thing is that it sounded confidently. And as a result, what kind of arguments "For" and "Against" on the site went - beauty ... Everything was dismantled according to their knowledge and capabilities. You just wonder ... And what is the foe to do? Don't react? Or react? Should I give a task to check the project's feasibility or not? And if they suddenly say that it is purely theoretically possible (it seems to me that it is possible)? That's because the poor fellows will not have to be sweet ... After all, if you have to vbuhivat not sickly loot in the beginning from scratch.
  38. sw6513
    sw6513 12 July 2016 16: 48
    0
    Doubtful desire .. Who is studying and striving to become a turner, locksmith, milling machine operator? -Do you observe such people? In the country, almost half with manager’s diplomas, lawyers, bankers — I won’t list everyone — everything is where the budget can be raised well. Now 70 years old specialists are finalizing, new ones come and go right away, not seeing any prospects. Another 15 years and we will not have masters, there will be only buy-sell
  39. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 12 July 2016 20: 13
    0
    It’s quite possible until the 30th and we’ll make it. What do we cost.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 July 2016 20: 41
      0
      By 2030, planes will already be printing on 3D printers.
      1. Connie
        Connie 12 July 2016 21: 51
        0
        So far, they are printing dollars in the Central Bank of the Fed on ordinary
  40. vano
    vano 12 July 2016 20: 35
    0
    I was not surprised. There were injections about the vaccine in 5 days and especially secret developments against cancer. They either sawed or it was time.
  41. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 12 July 2016 20: 44
    +1
    Minister of Defense and Commander of the Aerospace Forces, 2036. winked
  42. Baby doll
    Baby doll 12 July 2016 21: 21
    0
    Hypersound, microwave, spacewalk is good. But, it seems to me, the task for the industry to develop military equipment, in this case an aircraft with specific performance characteristics (LTX), should come from the Ministry of Defense. Was there such a thing? Doubtful! That is, industry, a kind of aircraft, even with super capabilities, will do it, and it’s somehow unnecessary for the military. So KRET, it seems to me, is running ahead of the engine. Although the interview is more like a story about the Shah, the donkey and Khoja Nasreddin.
  43. Atigay
    Atigay 12 July 2016 22: 59
    +1
    Such generators were developed back in the 80s in Moscow. In order to shoot down an aircraft, intelligence is needed on their "brains", or rather the thickness of the insulators in the screens. 1/4 wavelength.
  44. ver_
    ver_ 13 July 2016 06: 29
    0
    Quote: potroshenko
    The development of the 6th generation aircraft is already underway. It is assumed that it will fly into the air in the early 2030s.

    It looks like a crisis of the genre in the news, such noodles are already being printed from the great manager and science fiction writer Mikheev.

    .. whether it’s rain, then it’s snow, then it will be, then it’s not ..