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India intends to purchase C-400 complexes from Russia, long-range Tu-22М3 bombers and other weapons

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According to the official stand of the program “Make in India”, located at the Innoprom industrial exhibition in Yekaterinburg, the Indian authorities would like to purchase a number of weapons from Russia, including the 12 C-400 “Triumph” and 4 bomber Tu-22М3, broadcast Interfax.




In addition to the “Triumphs” and bombers, India intends to acquire “80 Mi-17 helicopters and six Il-76 helicopters converted into airborne early warning and control vehicles (AEWS) using Falcon Israeli radars”.

India's plans to produce over a thousand on its territory are also reported. tanks T-90S and 200 Ka-226 helicopters.

In addition, the Indian military wants to lease (with subsequent purchase) "two nuclear submarines" Akula II "(project 971" Pike-B ").

And the publication of Defense News, citing its source in the Indian Navy, announced that Russia was proposing to order the construction of its own aircraft carrier Storm.

“The offer was made last week,” said the source.

According to him, “the aircraft carrier project (23000E Storm) is being developed by the design office of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise" Krylov State Research Center ". The interlocutor expressed doubt that the purchase of an aircraft carrier would be funded by the Indian government.
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D. Pichugin // www.airforce.ru
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  1. Xmyp
    Xmyp 12 July 2016 10: 07
    +8
    I think you should not scatter weapons that protect your country.

    We have so many C-400 and the whole country is covered? Maybe we built another 200 Tu-23М3?
    1. volot-voin
      volot-voin 12 July 2016 10: 13
      +51
      Quote: XmyP
      I think you should not scatter weapons that protect your country.

      We have so many C-400 and the whole country is covered? Maybe we built another 200 Tu-23М3?

      Industry must work and not stand idle. Let them sell, otherwise the USA or China will do it for us. This will provide funds for our workers in the factories, the development of scientific and technical progress and defense industry. India is not our enemy, our interests overlap little.
      With the proceeds, it will be possible to build twice as many C-400 and TU-23MZ versions for the Russian Federation.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 12 July 2016 10: 20
        +4
        India intends to purchase C-400 complexes from Russia, long-range Tu-22М3 bombers and other weapons

        If only their intentions have not changed - and this happens to them.
      2. DMB_95
        DMB_95 12 July 2016 10: 20
        +3
        Well, leasing "Sharks" is too much.
        1. bars876
          bars876 12 July 2016 10: 51
          +10
          Actually, they were transferred there from the Soviet times, but on lease only because you can’t sell it according to international laws ... They actually buy them ... And this is also jobs and a lot of money ...
        2. avt
          avt 12 July 2016 12: 42
          +8
          Quote: DMB_95
          Well, leasing "Sharks" is too much.

          Why suddenly ???? One 971th has already been transferred. Well, you can and the second. Moreover, in Soviet times, the path was trodden with the leasing of nuclear submarines.
          1. DMB_95
            DMB_95 12 July 2016 16: 16
            +1
            Quote: avt

            Why suddenly ???? One 971th has already been transferred. Well, you can and the second. Moreover, in Soviet times, the path was trodden with the leasing of nuclear submarines.

            Well, then it is necessary to trample down the fuck this "path". And the trample was no fucking thing.
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 12 July 2016 21: 57
              +2
              Technology transfer is our trump card in military cooperation with India - no one else will. Another thing is that for this it is necessary to bargain from them the maximum possible and develop their own defense and weapons at the same time.
          2. spravochnik
            spravochnik 14 July 2016 11: 05
            0
            And we have these very submarines pr.971 just an overabundance, nowhere to put them in the Navy?
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 14 July 2016 14: 40
              0
              But are they really transferred from the fleet? Chakra - unfinished Amur plant. Another boat lies there with 42% readiness for about 20 years. Do you need it yourself? so finish it.
        3. alexmach
          alexmach 12 July 2016 21: 54
          0
          Well, actually one has already been transmitted + Wikipedia writes that another contract is provided for by the current contract.
        4. Megawolk
          Megawolk 17 October 2016 15: 02
          0
          No, this is not too much. This is a veiled technology transfer
      3. gispanec
        gispanec 12 July 2016 10: 37
        +3
        Quote: volot-voin
        TU-23MZ versions

        what kind of beast ??
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 12 July 2016 11: 34
          +3
          Quote: gispanec
          Quote: volot-voin
          TU-23MZ versions

          what kind of beast ??

          it's like a MiG-28 current gray .... yes
        2. Kasym
          Kasym 12 July 2016 11: 57
          +4
          One made a mistake and away we go lol ... Tu-22M3 ... I'm afraid Beijing will be very disappointed if Moscow subscribes to the Tu-22M3. It is clear that the Indians use it (4 pcs.) Under nuclear weapons - the PRC has nothing of the kind. And the Pakistanis will be unhappy, and this whole thing will lead to a further arms race in the Pakistan-China-India triangle. Is it necessary for the Russian Federation? Yes, financially it is profitable; but how will this affect the SCO, BRICS, Greater Eurasia, etc.? There is something to ponder. There are agreements with the PRC on a wide-body aircraft and a heavy helicopter - the Indians clearly do not want to give in, so they cast a fishing rod. We’ll have to get out of it somehow, because it’s clear that we don’t need to strain between Beijing and India. Although, judging by the nuclear submarines, they will find a way out. No, well, they came up beautifully ... rent. You can’t sell, but you can rent it - I wonder who came up with !? laughing . It is clear that if the Indians are pressed, then they will apply it with all the consequences ... rent wink .
          They have a BrahMos missile, nuclear weapons, now there’s a supersonic carrier. Nuclear submarines, even for rent, but there are also ballistic missiles to a potential enemy. Here you have the whole nuclear triad in India. And the Kremlin understands this. Moscow’s response will tell us which India the Russian authorities want to see. Will Beijing and Islamabad smoke nervously aside, or will they start commenting now?
          In principle, 4 used aircraft will not cost much, but many can drag a splinter. Is it worth it to start a game, maybe it just grew there. open the base at the expense of the Indians - can then everyone calm down? hi
          1. avt
            avt 12 July 2016 12: 44
            +1
            Quote: Kasym
            . Tu-22M3 ... I'm afraid Beijing will be very disappointed if Moscow subscribes to the Tu-22M3.

            request Why sign it ????
            Quote: SSI
            Tu-22M3 production is discontinued ...

            Take out their upgraded from YES ?? What will we stay with?
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 12 July 2016 13: 15
              +2
              AWT, hello, something doesn’t look like you, it’s probably the heat from you: Beijing will be clearly unhappy if the Russian Federation subscribes to the Delhi proposal. It seems that they themselves want to propose a military alliance to Moscow (Comrade Si's speech on 1.07.16). wink
              On rent I remembered. The Americans leased 56 Minetmen-2 launch vehicles for the English. Nuclear submarine. The Yankees were forced to admit this under START-3 (2, I don’t remember) - then London threw a tantrum. The genie themselves were released from the bottle. If we talk about disarmament, then this should begin. And so, tomorrow with Comrade Kim can see something like that. Or those Saudis who will be fooled. hi
              1. avt
                avt 12 July 2016 15: 19
                +2
                Quote: Kasym
                : Beijing will be clearly unhappy if Russia subscribes to Delhi’s proposal.

                For the nuclear submarines, Pakistan will most likely vibrate. But I SPECIFICALLY on the Tu-22M3 said. They really are NOT
                Quote: SSI
                Tu-22M3 production is discontinued ..

                They gathered for themselves in the corners - they took everything away from naval aviation to Dalnaya and are now slowly modernizing it. Therefore, it can be transmitted to the Indians only to the detriment of their own Long-Range Aviation. request In what, taking into account the current world situation, I somehow have little faith. I think the Indians, breaking down as always, will order the export version of the Su-34, it is 32 and will demand localization at home. And on the nuclear submarine, the Indians broke off, they wanted 885 the project "Ash", which we currently have in the ONLY copy. And they, as I understand it, are offered from the backlog in the Far East 971 - Pike B.
                Quote: Kasym
                The Americans leased 56 Minetmen-2 launch vehicles for the English. Nuclear submarine

                wassat what Do not confuse anything ??? More precisely, you confuse it. The Angles received sequentially the Polaris and Trident on their SSBNs, the last they changed their SSBNs as of now. Mine-mine units and the maximum that could be - a scam with missile defense. Well, the Yankees stated that they would put the second stage for anti-ballistic missiles in the position area, such as the upper stage. hi
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 12 July 2016 17: 48
                  +1
                  Yes, of course I got it with the Minetmen, but not so important. The cool thing is that the Indian nuclear triad is more powerful than the English one.
                  The fact of the matter is that for India the contract for carcasses may become the main (strategic) one. They can present the rest as partial load. Therefore, it is interesting how the Russian Federation wants to see India. How far will it go in military cooperation? And if he considers it necessary, then he will sell his used ones (and how not, if they fly to Syria). And we must assume that the Indians are well aware of the difference between the Su-34 and Tu-22M3. hi
                  1. avt
                    avt 12 July 2016 18: 44
                    0
                    Quote: Kasym
                    The cool thing is that the Indian nuclear triad is more powerful than the English one.

                    Well, the Angles from the triad left only SSBNs, and the rest is only tactical. They seem to have written off the aviation strags for a long time, well, "Volcanoes" after the Falklands, and I don’t remember anything from them, the Franks, yes - there was a triad with "Mirages" middle and positional area with medium mines. among the Indians, SSBNs have not yet danced, despite all their musicality. So while the ground and that average, so before the Angles, they ... well, they still need to take a step. Although .... the Angles are also tied with the Tridents at Uncle Syoma because of the okiyan.
                    Quote: Kasym
                    That's just the point, that for India the contract for carcasses can become the main (strategic)

                    No. He won’t, there aren’t these Tu. But 32/34 can get them to build, but with BraMos it’s really cool and you can hang nuclear weapons.
                    Quote: Kasym
                    And if he considers it necessary, then he will sell his used ones (and how not, if they fly to Syria).

                    request And that’s why they fly because there are no superfluous - they frighten, but not spirits, but Evriopians of various Polish-Romanian-Baltic Baltic states, who have lost their temper because they can return to the former place of basing in the USSR - to Crimea.
                    Quote: Kasym
                    Therefore, it is interesting how the Russian Federation wants to see India

                    what One thing I know for sure - paying for the supplied weapons, as has been the custom since the days of the USSR. bully Well
                    Quote: Kasym
                    . I'm afraid Beijing will be very disappointed

                    Nobody canceled the system of "bids and balances", despite all fraternization. These two countries are "things in themselves", moreover, "Dear Indira Gandhi" for India, "Dear Leonid Ilyich", quite frankly and honestly said this , then the USSR was in irreconcilable contradictions with China, but India actually went to the non-aligned countries, and even now it does.
            2. spravochnik
              spravochnik 14 July 2016 11: 09
              0
              Take out their upgraded from YES ?? What will we stay with?

              And if you transfer the submarines, what are we left with? There are even fewer of them.
          2. silver_roman
            silver_roman 12 July 2016 15: 45
            +1
            The Chinese have subsonic carcass analogs. Which is actually enough, given the location of countries. I understand that no one will sell the Tu-22M3 from the Air Force. In reserve there, they will reach the level and shove.
            Isn’t it the same with Sharks? Dates seem to have been announced until 2020 if they sign, i.e. the boat will undergo modernization.
            This is better than stuffing like leasing 885. It would not even be funny.
            It is likely that ours are trying to get away from many projects, at least in terms of nuclear submarines.
            This is the eternal scourge of the Soviet, and now the Russian Navy.
      4. FID
        FID 12 July 2016 10: 48
        +7
        Quote: volot-voin
        S-400 and TU-23MZ versions

        Tu-22M3 production is discontinued ...
        1. Iline
          Iline 12 July 2016 13: 19
          +4
          I think that the author of the article pulled the blanket over himself a little with the construction of the new Tu-22M3. Moreover, in the amount of only a few pieces. No one will restore production for such a quantity.
          Most likely, it was about putting into operation and refinement, according to the customer’s whims, several Indian planes out of a huge amount of Tu-22M3 currently in storage with Indian money.
          Moreover, Russia currently cannot afford it, and when it wants, it will want a newer aircraft instead of a worthy old man.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 12 July 2016 22: 50
            0
            God knows what condition they are in storage. In general, it would be possible to work out the "restoration" technology for Indian money, only this is surprising at the "do in India" stand
        2. Tektor
          Tektor 12 July 2016 15: 06
          0
          I would look for those already written off with the expended resource for fatigue and replace all these loaded nodes with new ones, if this is technically possible. Would replace elements that have undergone erosion and corrosion - this is all more or less obvious. But what to do with engines and electronic warfare? We are restoring the production of NK-32M. Is this the only option? To restore the production of the Tu-22, naturally - with refueling, at the expense of the Indians - a very tempting thought, because it is simply indispensable in the north and in the open ocean, especially in light of the possibility of installing a powerful electronic warfare station on it.
      5. AlexTires
        AlexTires 12 July 2016 10: 55
        +7
        Quote: volot-voin
        With the proceeds, it will be possible to build twice as many C-400 and TU-23MZ versions for the Russian Federation.

        I have a feeling that C-400 and TU -22 are baked like pancakes ... given that in the year 6-7 regiment sets are made, at least on 2 there will be no new arrivals to us ... so far 500-ku will be brought ... And the last Tu-22М3 aircraft was built in 1993 year ... request
        With the leasing of "Sharks" in general, damn it ...
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 12 July 2016 11: 07
          +5
          At No. 519 in the Amur Shipyard, there are actually two ways - to India or to pans. No one will finish building it for the Navy.
        2. volot-voin
          volot-voin 12 July 2016 11: 15
          0
          Quote: AlexTires
          that S-400 and TU-22 are baked like pancakes

          Of course, not pancakes, but a high-tech weapon, the analogues of which are not in the world. The military-industrial complex should work constantly, not stand idle, and even make a profit from sales.
          There will be working capital, there will be more opportunities to build new capacities of the military-industrial complex and weapons for us.
          The military-industrial complex and weapons are constantly being improved. The fact that now is a super-duper can become outdated in 20-30 years. At least even this conveyor can not be stopped.
          1. AlexTires
            AlexTires 12 July 2016 11: 27
            0
            Of course, not pancakes, but high-tech weapons,


            you don’t understand the point: you can’t crypt a high-tech weapon in a forge in a couple of months, this is a very long process ...
            Quote: volot-voin
            The military-industrial complex should work constantly, not stand idle, and even make a profit from sales.

            the first and main duty of the military-industrial complex is and will be ensuring the country's defense capability,
            There will be working capital, there will be more opportunities to build new capacities of the military-industrial complex and weapons for us.

            When? years through 20-30, after obsolescence and the leaps and bounds of technology? or when, due to one or two sets not enough to reflect the RU, the country will be on the verge of defeat in the war?
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman 12 July 2016 15: 49
              +1
              Quote: AlexTires
              The PC should work constantly, not stand idle, and even make a profit from sales.
              Quote: AlexTires
              the first and main duty of the military-industrial complex is and will be ensuring the country's defense capability

              to whom should? Won the Yankees insist that Eastern Europe abandon Soviet / Russian weapons. And this is the most harmless thing they do for the good of their military-industrial complex. Ready to put millions of human souls for the sake of the stuffed pocket of bureaucrats from the military-industrial complex.
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 12 July 2016 22: 53
            0
            B-1 is not an analogue of the carcass?
      6. just exp
        just exp 12 July 2016 11: 00
        +1
        Tell me, where will you build the Tu-23M3? and when will it be tested, and indeed, when did they manage to not only develop it, but upgrade it 3 times?
      7. sgazeev
        sgazeev 12 July 2016 16: 45
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        Quote: volot-voin
        Quote: XmyP
        I think you should not scatter weapons that protect your country.

        We have so many C-400 and the whole country is covered? Maybe we built another 200 Tu-23М3?

        Industry must work and not stand idle. Let them sell, otherwise the USA or China will do it for us. This will provide funds for our workers in the factories, the development of scientific and technical progress and defense industry. India is not our enemy, our interests overlap little.
        With the proceeds, it will be possible to build twice as many C-400 and TU-23MZ versions for the Russian Federation.

        India not only buys, but also wants to produce itself. Tu-22 horseradish them, cunning.
      8. Ze Kot
        Ze Kot 12 July 2016 18: 05
        0
        Quote: volot-voin
        With the proceeds, it will be possible to build twice as many C-400 and TU-23MZ versions for the Russian Federation.


        Tu-22 is not being built. If they transmit, then from among those available. But is it necessary?
      9. alexmach
        alexmach 12 July 2016 21: 52
        0
        With the proceeds, it will be possible to build twice as many S-400 and TU-23M3 versions for the Russian Federation


        I agree with everything, but only TU-23M3? Do they know how to build it in Russia? Production was stopped long ago, there are only those that are left in stock, they say there are 40 of them and there is nothing to replace them with. And there is nothing to change them either - they do not produce more aircraft of this class, the production of the TU-160 is just being restored, and what the outcome will be is not clear. Another thing is that without modernization they are not entirely clear what they are suitable for.

        By the way, China also wanted to buy them, of course, also with project documentation. But is it just necessary to deploy strategic weapons?
      10. Alf
        Alf 12 July 2016 22: 46
        0
        Quote: volot-voin
        Industry must work and not stand idle. Let them sell, otherwise the USA or China will do it for us. This will provide funds for our workers in the factories, the development of scientific and technical progress and defense industry. India is not our enemy, our interests overlap little.
        With the proceeds, it will be possible to build twice as many C-400 and TU-23MZ versions for the Russian Federation.

        It’s true, just as if the situation would not turn out that the military-industrial complex fulfills foreign orders first of all, and the last for its aircraft.
      11. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 13 July 2016 08: 31
        0
        And you vjlot-voin talking nonsense !!! The Hindus have rolled out their lips to the best of their ability, and you are talking with an air of importance about industry downtime. The little that remains of the USSR in Russia is not worth it, but works. If you listen to such clever people like you, it is believed that without Indians or the like, we cannot survive at all. The 90s have passed, when only export rescued the defense industry complex. And our armed forces also need hardware, and above all. Or do you not understand the situation around Russia, or are you doing it deliberately, to please our real enemy ??? There are still very few S-400s, but they are already on sale. Tu-22M3 are not produced at all. Really write off from combat units? And what in return?
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 13 July 2016 09: 31
          0
          If you listen to such clever people as you, it seems that without Indians or the like, we can’t survive at all. The 90s passed when only the export helped the defense industry.


          Did not pass, did not pass a pancake! Arms are complex systems; the whole world builds them in cooperatives. Nobody pulls the strap himself, they buy everything from someone, Russia cannot be an exception in this area precisely because of the degradation of the production base.
      12. Megawolk
        Megawolk 17 October 2016 15: 01
        0
        Can I add?
        With such orders, it may also have to expand production. And this is, first of all, high-paying jobs for our people.
        Moreover, they sell only export versions of the systems. Those. "stitched". They do not threaten our planes in any way, even, God forbid, if there is a war
        And you are right, this is the money for which we will build both the TU-22M3 and the S-400 or S-300B4 (they are even more afraid of it) and many other goodies already for OUR country.
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 12 July 2016 10: 31
      +7
      Firstly, where do we get the Tu - 22 M3, for sale, it seems, we have not been producing for a long time?
      And secondly, damn it, I read it three times: "And the publication" Defense News ", citing its source in the Indian Navy, reported on a proposal from Russia to order from it the construction of the aircraft carrier" Storm "of its own design."
      I don’t understand who wants to order from whom? Swearing, where are the signs of foaming? Tell me stupid, who wants to order from anyone? am
      1. IPSC-2008
        IPSC-2008 12 July 2016 10: 46
        +6
        Mother crying hunting, where are the signs of foaming? MASTERPIECE!!!
        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 12 July 2016 10: 50
          0
          Do not Cry. Touch keyboard, can't keep up ... laughing
          So who wants to order construction from anyone?
          1. Stena
            Stena 12 July 2016 14: 04
            0
            Quote: Observer 33
            So who wants to order construction from anyone?

            Russia has offered to build a nuclear aircraft carrier for India under the project 23000E "Storm"
            http://flotprom.ru/2016/%D0%A2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BB%D1%8F%D0%9E%D
            1%80%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%BC65/
            1. Ride78
              Ride78 12 July 2016 17: 02
              0
              That is, in another language they will have our newest super-duper, which has no analogues in the world, but we won’t have it) It's fun, what's there. Let us immediately do all the promising developments for others, but for ourselves on the residual principle.
              I understand if ours were at their shipyards for themselves ... but that’s already fantastic.
    3. Pavel1
      Pavel1 12 July 2016 10: 34
      +1
      where did India get the money for all these military toys? GDP in 2012 amounted to $ 4761 billion, which is the 4th largest in the world! In 2014, India exported $ 292 Billion, making it the 18th largest exporter in the world.
      And Indian export looked
      -information technologies, all kinds of toys sell
      -chemical industry
      petrochemicals
      agricultural products
      mineral raw materials
      all this is rather stupid, for example, in our market there is almost nothing Indian, or there is, but implicitly, a little bit, well, except for any disks with toys.
      However, India has money for an aircraft carrier, all the more so the local right-wingers are arming themselves to the teeth.
      1. Evgeny RS
        Evgeny RS 12 July 2016 12: 05
        +1
        like, their drugs are on sale with us
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 12 July 2016 12: 19
        +3
        "information technology, all sorts of toys sell" ////

        In your opinion, information technology is a toy.
        If Russia knew how to make such toys, then GDP would be in the black,
        not in the red. IT is one of the most profitable industries.
        1. Pavel1
          Pavel1 12 July 2016 17: 49
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          you think, information technology is a toy.


          Well, what is there in these softwares that can cost a lot of money? In addition, software is not a necessity. All these IT manufacturers are trying to constantly update the software, but basically people don’t need it, the same 7s, 8s, 10s, and other numerous versions of software are all the little-needed excesses that the manufacturers are imposing. play on.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 12 July 2016 23: 03
            0
            Have you tried to travel around an unfamiliar country without knowing the language on public or your own transport using a google maps? I was told no further than last week where exactly my bus stops, not a single local one, including a ticket seller, knew about this. Excess?

            The ability to call home via Skype from any hotel for free, if there was a Wi-Fi (which is almost everywhere in civilization), and do it cheaply, if not for free, an excess?

            But recently there was an article that all aviation design bureaus were combined into a "virtual design bureau" for joint work on the TU-160. Overkill too?

            Well, well.
            1. S-kerrigan
              S-kerrigan 13 July 2016 07: 01
              0
              Yes, hammer, this man is just a stone savage. He has no idea how the modern world works. Take even the same sphero-window city - a transport system, and that will be all under the control of IT. Computers are everywhere, software is needed everywhere. A machine is a person’s new closest friend. And so it will always be now. Therefore, we see the vacancies of developers with a salary fork of 150-300tr / month.
        2. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 13 July 2016 07: 15
          0
          Russia makes them especially in terms of software
          and GDP is positive for those who then sell it
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      4. zennon
        zennon 12 July 2016 17: 31
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        Quote: Paul1
        where did India get the money for all these military toys?

        Over the past two decades, average annual GDP growth has been 5,5%, making the Indian economy one of the fastest growing in the world. Over the past two decades, the Indian economy has experienced stable growth. In the 1990s, foreign exchange reserves increased more than 7 times - up to 42,281 billion dollars in the 2000/2001 financial year. The 2000s were marked by a new spasmodic growth and again more than 7 times - up to $ 304,818 billion in the 2010/2011 financial year. So there are grandmas. I don’t understand anything else:
        It also reports on India’s plans to produce over a thousand T-90S tanks on its territory.

        But what about the vaunted "Arjun"?
        On February 23, 2011, the Defense Research and Development Organization of India announced the completion of a new version of the national tank. According to the DRDO plans, the first phase of military testing of the new “Arjun II Series” will begin in June 2011, and the second in 2012.
        Mass production of the tank is scheduled for 2014 (at the same time as its adoption).

        How's that?
        1. Pavel1
          Pavel1 12 July 2016 17: 44
          +1
          Quote: zennon
          Over the past two decades, the average annual GDP growth amounted to 5,5%, which


          Yes, you are not the figures that you rewrite from site to site, but the REAL ECONOMY, what is India doing real? So, the real sector of the Indian economy, like a muddy mirror, most likely transnational corporations are mainly processing raw materials and harmful chemical industries and the state is unfastening the tax for the frenzied exploitation of the population, that’s such an economy.
          1. zennon
            zennon 12 July 2016 19: 32
            +2
            Quote: Paul1
            and REAL ECONOMY, what is India doing real?

            Please:
            In fiscal 2010/11, exports totaled $ 250,5 billion, while imports totaled about $ 380,9 billion. The main exports (fiscal 2009/10) are machinery and equipment (21,4%), handicrafts (16,8%), chemicals (12,8%), food and agricultural raw materials (10,0%), ready-made clothes and textiles (8,1%). Main buyers (fiscal 2009/10): EU (20,2%), United States (10,9%)

            That is, more than a fifth of exports are for machinery and equipment, most of the exports are for the EU and the USA. Not bad for a "cloudy mirror"! Pay attention to the steel production table. More of Russia is being produced. Besides, if gold and foreign exchange reserves are constantly growing, so there is an economy. India is not a rich country, but this is primarily due to the explosive population growth (higher than in China). However, they find a lot of money for weapons. I was primarily interested in their tank program. Why are they T -90, if they have been messing with "Arjun" for 40 years?
            1. Pavel1
              Pavel1 13 July 2016 14: 28
              0
              Quote: zennon
              o there is more than a fifth of exports accounted for by machinery and equipment, most of the exports go to the EU and the USA. Not bad for a "cloudy mirror"!


              a country that cannot independently make an airplane, a helicopter, a nuclear power plant, a submarine, or a tank makes some kind of "engineering products". What is this? It is necessary to read less pedigree, they do not write the truth there.
    4. stas
      stas 12 July 2016 10: 35
      0
      Arming India with our weapons, we balance China against ourselves, in which case.
      If not us, the United States and Europe will enter India with their weapons.
      1. Pavel1
        Pavel1 12 July 2016 12: 14
        +1
        Quote: stas
        If not us, the United States and Europe will enter India with their weapons.

        the French were rocking, but India decided not to take such golden rafals ...
    5. rabbi's pais
      rabbi's pais 12 July 2016 10: 41
      0
      Quote: XmyP
      I think you should not scatter weapons that protect your country.

      This is a normal topic. We sell to the Chinese all the new nishtyaki that they don’t want (for example, a couple of days ago the whales began to collect Tigers armored cars at home), and they always need to wait for insidious actions. I think the Indians should first sell more. Because only they will be able to one-on-one butt with the Dzhekichany.Hindi Russ bhai bhai !!!
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 12 July 2016 23: 10
        0
        For only they will be able to one-on-one butt with the Jackies


        You just need to think that someone will butt with them because of us.

        Threat. Americans with their satellites theoretically can still butt with the Chinese.
    6. vkl.47
      vkl.47 12 July 2016 10: 59
      +2
      Hindus probably conceived to make Britain their colony laughing
    7. BOB044
      BOB044 12 July 2016 11: 02
      0
      XmyP RU Today, 10:07 AM

      I think you should not scatter weapons that protect your country.

      We have so many C-400 and the whole country is covered? Maybe we built another 200 Tu-23М3?
      What is going on for sale differs from what is in service with us. And the money received from the sale of S-400, Tu-23MZ. They will go to the development of new weapons for us.
    8. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 12 July 2016 11: 33
      0
      so they can buy everything from us! what
    9. self-propelled
      self-propelled 12 July 2016 11: 38
      +2
      Quote: XmyP
      I think you should not scatter weapons that protect your country.

      We have so many C-400 and the whole country is covered? Maybe we built another 200 Tu-23М3?

      it’s not worth scattering weapons, but earning thanks to the military-industrial complex is really nothing ...
      maybe it is worth recalling how new and promising weapons systems were created ?! "Pantsir-C1" was created thanks to the foreign order, the Yak-130 would not have been born if it were not for cooperation (maybe not so profitable, but still) with the Italians, the Bramos rocket ... and such examples of "cooperation" with EBN was a lot. the situation is not much better now. the foreign fleet of Su-30 (in all modifications) exceeds that in Russia. So what? let's stop selling these machines overseas until we satiate our air force, but lose the market. what will we do as we will saturate our market, if the external will be lost (a holy place is never empty) ...
    10. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 12 July 2016 13: 07
      +2
      Xmyp
      I think you should not scatter weapons that protect your country.

      The military equipment and weapons of our RF Armed Forces are not for sale for the "hillock"! Deliveries of so-called export versions of this military equipment are being carried out. And this, as they say in Odessa, is a big difference ... both in p \ frequencies ... and in certain changes in TTD and TTX ... Manufacturing technologies, as a rule, are not transferred ... only by a separate agreement and for a separate the amount of currency .... Highly secret nodes and blocks (which cannot be modified) are made so that they cannot be opened ... etc. In these areas, THERE IS NO NEED TO FEAR AND EXPERIENCE.
      PITTAINS IN ANOTHER - IN THE POLITICAL COMPONENT! This trend can bring so many "meningitis and hemorrhoids" ... that commercial benefits can go sideways! Here you need to think ... and think - what ... when ... and under what conditions to deliver .. with whom and how to conduct preliminary consultations ... what guarantees to third parties on their safety ... etc .. ...
      And you always have to sell! Moreover, the same C 400 we will not deliver earlier than in 4-5 years ... but we will preserve the niche of the need for us ...
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 12 July 2016 17: 00
        +2
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        The military equipment and weapons of our RF Armed Forces are not for sale for the "hillock"! Deliveries of so-called export versions of this military equipment are being carried out. And this, as they say in Odessa, is a big difference ...

        Ten Su-25s were sold to Iraq in 2014. It seems from the strategic reserves of our army, from storage.
    11. Koshak
      Koshak 12 July 2016 16: 49
      0
      Quote: XmyP
      I think you should not scatter weapons that protect your country.

      After all, they will not give it for nothing. And where to get funds for the development of the military-industrial complex? In addition, the Indians will be tied to Russia for a long time (repair, spare parts). And if you think, then they can easily order it from the Chinese, French, Yankees ....
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    1. stas
      stas 12 July 2016 10: 38
      -5
      Che yourself suck in the morning, or rolled in the morning gram 100 five hundred and the sea knee-deep.
      1. igor06161
        igor06161 12 July 2016 11: 41
        0
        Why so angry
  3. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 12 July 2016 10: 08
    0
    Yes, you are not a fool, far from a fool, my lips fool
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 12 July 2016 10: 18
      0
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      Yes, you are not a fool, far from a fool, my lips

      Yes! Far from being a fool. When the "Ash trees" will go, it's not clear. And here the Indians have requests: give your wife to your uncle, and go to a brothel yourself.
  4. Abbra
    Abbra 12 July 2016 10: 09
    +2
    And this is good news! Russia slowly, not particularly shouting, takes its own position in the sale of weapons. No wonder my mother-in-law loves Indian films ... wassat
  5. K-50
    K-50 12 July 2016 10: 09
    +4
    Indian authorities would like to purchase a range of weapons from Russia, including 12 S-400 Triumph air defense systems and 4 Tu-23M3 bombers

    Rocket carriers then why should they? belay
    Okay, air defense systems, nuclear submarines on lease, but missile carriers?
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 12 July 2016 10: 10
      +2
      Missile carriers to star America in the Indian side ... love
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 12 July 2016 10: 40
        +1
        Quote: Abbra
        Missile carriers to star America in the Indian side ... love

        Or China, and maybe us. Keep an eye on the press. The US is drawing closer to India. So it can be a diversion.
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 12 July 2016 10: 13
      +2
      Quote: K-50
      Rocket carriers then why should they?
      Okay, air defense systems, nuclear submarines on lease, but missile carriers?



      Recently, India does not cease to amaze ...
      The economy is on the level ... Arms purchases are colossal, and their spectrum is expanding more and more ...

      We often argue about China and its possible claims to various territories ...
      And what is India preparing for?
      Their defense costs make me personally envious ...
      1. volot-voin
        volot-voin 12 July 2016 10: 21
        +6
        Quote: weksha50
        We often argue about China and its possible claims to various territories ...
        And what is India preparing for?

        India also wants to be a superpower, and also does not want to be bombed once for a lack of democracy, for example. They are arming themselves - they are doing the right thing, Pakistan, China and the United States are nearby, with their interests throughout the globe.
      2. Amurets
        Amurets 12 July 2016 10: 33
        +1
        Quote: weksha50

        We often argue about China and its possible claims to various territories ...
        And what is India preparing for?
        Their defense costs make me personally envious ...

        But I am simply alarmed that India is threatening such weapons. The nuclear submarines can fire cruise missiles from their torpedo tubes. Here's the link.
        http://maxpark.com/community/5100/content/3007339
    3. DMB_95
      DMB_95 12 July 2016 10: 16
      +1
      Quote: K-50
      Indian authorities would like to acquire a number of weapons from Russia ... 4 Tu-23M3 bombers

      Rocket carriers then why should they? belay
      Okay, air defense systems, nuclear submarines on lease, but missile carriers?

      When the unfriendly China and Pakistan are nearby, nothing will seem redundant.
    4. donavi49
      donavi49 12 July 2016 10: 32
      +7
      Well, it's just a list of interest, most likely. The TU-22M3Ms are quite tight, plus the Indians have no old boards and what to throw from it (especially with the fact that they assemble a light air Bramos - under the Su-30, then the Su-34 would block everything for them - especially since it the new building is being produced, and for the Indians, this is an opportunity to pull the board towards you and assemble from machine kits, like the Su-30).

      Generally:
      S-400 - they have long been interested.
      Ka-226 - like already signed.
      The second Shchuku-B is also there, but there are jambs with delivery, there is No. 519 at the Amur plant (about 40% readiness), but there to do and do it, plus you need to straighten the project, unlike Nerpa, the readiness for components is much lower, and many of which 20 years have not been produced. Hindus want fast, fast, but they got burned with Nerpa and for 8 years instead of 3 they don’t want to wait.

      As for the aircraft carrier, they are already under construction - but it burns down from China, which, after the Varyag, has almost kicked out the hull of the second aircraft carrier in the 65kt type 001a. While Wyckrant is substantially smaller, sawing sluggishly for 10 years. Therefore they now want IAC-II completely redo (before, it was an enlarged Wikrant) - that is, replace it with a new project.
  6. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 12 July 2016 10: 10
    +2
    Now, if all the Indians want to buy from us, we would produce at the speed with which they want to buy, it would be even better.
    And the publication of Defense News, citing its source in the Indian Navy, announced that Russia was proposing to order the construction of its own aircraft carrier Storm.
    On the one hand, it’s good to have such a regular customer as the Indians, but on the other, maybe you need to build yourself first?
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  7. Sars
    Sars 12 July 2016 10: 10
    +3
    Very interesting! Where did the carcass come from? We will resume production, or will we give back from storage?
    1. cayman gene
      cayman gene 12 July 2016 10: 35
      +3
      This post is a complete profanity. There is not even a link to the source of information. It seems that someone on the hangers is sprinkling all sorts of nonsense.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 12 July 2016 10: 45
      +3
      It is extremely doubtful that the Tu-22M3 can be resumed, and KAPO can’t stand it, there they are trying to reanimate the Tu-160 and this is a higher priority program. Yes, and the NK-25 engines are discontinued, the main reason for the rather limited number of Tu-22M3 flying is a shortage of engine resources.

      Then the interest of 4 sides - the resumption of production for the sake of 4 sides, it’s just the fantastic cost of the side.

      From flying availability - after repair with modernization in which Tu-22M3IM.

      The question is different, why? The Bramos Indians are taught to fly, and on the Su-30MKI. The X-22 cannot be sold to them - for the non-proliferation treaty, if they cut the range of 300 km, then it will become worse than Brahmos in everything. X-15 all the more not to sell. The rest 2 Su-30MKI / Su-34 with modern weapons, block the carcass.
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 12 July 2016 12: 30
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        It is extremely doubtful that the Tu-22M3 can be resumed, and KAPO can’t stand it, there they are trying to reanimate the Tu-160 and this is a higher priority program. Yes, and the NK-25 engines are discontinued, the main reason for the rather limited number of Tu-22M3 flying is a shortage of engine resources.

        Then the interest of 4 sides - the resumption of production for the sake of 4 sides, it’s just the fantastic cost of the side.

        From flying availability - after repair with modernization in which Tu-22M3IM.

        The question is different, why? The Bramos Indians are taught to fly, and on the Su-30MKI. The X-22 cannot be sold to them - for the non-proliferation treaty, if they cut the range of 300 km, then it will become worse than Brahmos in everything. X-15 all the more not to sell. The rest 2 Su-30MKI / Su-34 with modern weapons, block the carcass.

        Where did you get the idea that it's hard to reanimate the Tu-22? As far as I know, they even want to equip already built carcasses with engines from the Tu-160. And if they arrange the production of engines for 160, then they can be set to 22. And the design 22 seems to be easier than 160. And as for the Su-34, which may well replace the Tu-22, I agree with you.
  8. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 12 July 2016 10: 10
    0
    And why on our Avax radar from Israel? Why is ours worse ??? And what about payment, like a cedar country, or for loot ???
    1. ARS56
      ARS56 12 July 2016 10: 16
      0
      His advanced is not the fact that we will sell for reasons of secrecy, but the Indians do not want outdated.
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 12 July 2016 10: 19
      0
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      And why on our Avax radar from Israel? Why is ours worse ??? And what about payment, like a cedar country, or for loot ???

      Maybe ours do not want to sell? Secrecy and all that? At least in the military acceptance about the BTA, it was generally forbidden to remove what is on top in the cabin.
    3. user1212
      user1212 12 July 2016 10: 44
      +1
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      And why on our Avax radar from Israel? Why is ours worse?

      Because the radars intended for our army are not exported. And those that the Russian Federation is ready to sell are worse than Israeli
  9. newcomer
    newcomer 12 July 2016 10: 15
    +2
    Indians don’t really want a “storm,” no money, or politically unreasonable. what did the “storm” displease them with? After all, he is kakraz under the future ship-borne fgfa.
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 July 2016 10: 16
    0
    Indians wanted strategists? Wind them in the back. And extra money to our defense industry. As for the aircraft carrier - I did not understand. Do they build for us according to our project? Or are we for them? The first is bad, the second is good.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 12 July 2016 10: 25
      0
      Yes, no, obviously the second. Only I strongly doubt that the Indians will agree to build such a ship with us. Most likely they will ask for licensed production at their shipyards.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 12 July 2016 10: 51
      +2
      They are concerned that the best friend in the Region, type 001a grew up before our eyes, and they are tortured by Wyrant for 10 years, while he is obviously weaker. Given that the software IAC-II it will not be very soon (but really based on the Hindu pace to 30m) - they want something new, not an enlarged Wikrant, with catapults and possibly a reactor.

      However, there is not much money. They went to the British to Prince and Queen Lisa to see the Americans and Ford, and of the Storm.
  11. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 12 July 2016 10: 16
    +4
    And they don't want a Tu-160? If Russia starts selling Tu-22M3s, which are no longer produced and which it lacks itself, then I will generally be in "ecstasy".
  12. cost 75
    cost 75 12 July 2016 10: 18
    +4
    It’s strange about carcasses and boats. The cat themselves cried.
  13. atamankko
    atamankko 12 July 2016 10: 20
    -1
    You can’t lose the market, competitors will instantly take over.
    1. Skifotavr
      Skifotavr 12 July 2016 10: 26
      -1
      Quote: atamankko
      You can’t lose the market, competitors will instantly take over.
      1. nikolaev
        nikolaev 12 July 2016 11: 31
        +2
        In the rating "the most important traitor of all times and peoples", the first indisputable place is for the hunchbacked freak
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 12 July 2016 23: 21
      0
      No competitors will go there with a nuclear submarine and a long-range bomber. No such. Another thing is that under such contracts you can push something more weighty. Mig-29K for new aircraft carriers or Mig-35, or something else.
      1. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 13 July 2016 17: 15
        0
        Quote: alexmach
        No competitors will go there with a nuclear submarine and a long-range bomber. No such. Another thing is that under such contracts you can push something more weighty. Mig-29K for new aircraft carriers or Mig-35, or something else.

        Yeah, he sold the submarines and long-range aviation, but pushed the MiG-29K or Mi-35 into the load. Here it will be joy! Effective managers will eat black caviar with assholes! Well, then it will be possible for a well-deserved rest in the UK or Israel. After they settle there, they may, according to the old CIS tradition, be put on the international wanted list. But they will search until the second coming.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 13 July 2016 18: 55
          0
          Why sell it right away? The last submarine handed over to the Indians for the Indians and finished. Or would it be better for her to lie unfinished at the Amur plant? Or was it necessary to dispose of the unfinished? The second submarine, about which was also an old unfinished building lying on the NEA without work. Do you need it yourself? so why have not yet completed for themselves?

          With airplanes, it’s another matter - unlike the nuclear powered submarines, they are not building them in Russia yet and there are no new replacement models yet. But there is another question with them, but how much are they now generally in demand without modernization then?
          1. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 13 July 2016 21: 12
            0
            Quote: alexmach
            Why sell it right away? The last submarine handed over to the Indians for the Indians and finished. Or would it be better for her to lie unfinished at the Amur plant? Or was it necessary to dispose of the unfinished? The second submarine, about which was also an old unfinished building lying on the NEA without work. Do you need it yourself? so why have not yet completed for themselves?

            With airplanes, it’s another matter - unlike the nuclear powered submarines, they are not building them in Russia yet and there are no new replacement models yet. But there is another question with them, but how much are they now generally in demand without modernization then?

            To be honest, I did not know that those Pikes were unfinished. But the Tu-22M3, even without modernization, is very much in demand. And in which case they will still be in demand. Although nobody seems to prohibit their modernization. Just talking about their redundancy and uselessness reminds me of the dashing 90s. It is clear that such messages also check the public reaction of Russians.
  14. Wiruz
    Wiruz 12 July 2016 10: 23
    +1
    And the publication of Defense News, citing its source in the Indian Navy, announced that Russia was proposing to order the construction of its own aircraft carrier Storm.

    It is difficult to believe that Russia, in the coming years, will be able to build a ship of this class, with even greater difficulty to believe that India will agree to build such a ship in Russia, because the Indians now want to build and produce everything themselves. But if this business burns out, then it will be a great leap in the development of our defense industry, and excellent preparation for the construction of aircraft carriers for the Russian fleet. Although, frankly, the project 23000, in the form in which it was presented at exhibitions, is not pleasant to me at all hi
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 July 2016 10: 30
      0
      Quote: Wiruz
      It’s hard to believe that Russia, in the coming years, will be able to build a ship of this class, with even greater difficulty to believe that India will agree to build such a ship in Russia,

      Yes, this is a feik, although for liberals like Kabarlin, this is an extra piece of butter in porridge. He already vomits from this feik. Russia is about to collapse.
      This "aircraft carrier", naturally, exists exclusively in the form of a plastic model, since Russia has neither money nor technology to build it. That is, in fact, we are talking, with a high degree of probability, about an attempt to separate India by several billion, which will then disappear without a trace. Approximately how the Chinese billions for the "Power of Siberia" disappeared. Ilitka is in a hurry to grab one last thing from the heart, until everything collapsed.
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 12 July 2016 12: 13
      0
      BELIEVE ...
  15. Evil 55
    Evil 55 12 July 2016 10: 27
    +1
    Friendship bonded by decades of freedom from the British shit democracy ..
  16. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 July 2016 10: 34
    +1
    Tu-22, we ourselves will not be able to produce. This is if only in India from scratch to build a plant for their production. But who needs an airplane from the 80s with such production costs?
  17. Limon1972
    Limon1972 12 July 2016 10: 35
    0
    Is it strange like that, after a 20-year break, the production of TU22M3 will be restored ?? request
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 12 July 2016 11: 03
      +2
      In the article, 4 cars are written - this is a transparent hint about the interest from the availability after repair.

      The Tu-22M3 has two problems - there are no engines, they are not produced with 95, so the resources are being pulled. Well, there’s nowhere to renew - KAPO is busy with the Tu-160 national project and the second type simply will not pull.

      Ah, well, the main one is in need. Especially for the Indians, who cannot get the X-22 because of the contract (and if you drain the fuel, it will be worse than the same Bramos), the X-15 too.
  18. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 July 2016 10: 38
    +1
    Swung, Indians, nothing to say!
    "Money in the morning - chairs in the evening, money in the evening - chairs in the morning!" from c / f. laughing
  19. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 12 July 2016 10: 41
    0
    According to him, "the aircraft carrier project (23000E Storm) is being developed by the design bureau of the Krylov State Scientific Center". At the same time, the interlocutor expressed doubt that the purchase of the aircraft carrier would be financed by the government.
    And who cares? Private investors or what? or the IMF will give a loan wassat
  20. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 12 July 2016 10: 53
    0
    I don’t think that the carcasses will be built, rather they will be decommissioned and modernized under their technical specifications, with the replacement of the Tu-160M.
    According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, after the 2023 of the year, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will receive at least three Tu-160М2 strategic bombers each year. In the meantime, the order for the Tu-160M - up to 50 cars.
    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201509010857-sac7.htm
    1. nikolaev
      nikolaev 12 July 2016 11: 29
      0
      that 22m3 when basing in the Crimea cover the entire surrounding region. Such a request for supply involves stopping the West by this problem, that is, India plays on the side of the West.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 12 July 2016 17: 59
        0
        with the development of the small radius of the Kyrgyz Republic (1000km) and the Su-34 will block everything.
  21. SNIF
    SNIF 12 July 2016 11: 01
    +2
    I think, and I just can’t figure it out. Many write - these sales will give money for the military-industrial complex! But excuse me - what is bought for dollars / euros for the military-industrial complex in foreign markets? Moreover, now, during the period of sanctions. Wages began to pay workers in foreign currency? In my opinion, the Russian military-industrial complex is entirely in the ruble zone, and the currency is needed only for the purchase of various consumer goods, civilian electronics, cars, food, etc. Over the past few years, commodity circulation has fallen sharply - accordingly, currency losses should also fall. Energy, of course, also fell. But, is it really vseravno currency shortage and forced to sell the latest weapons?
    1. nikolaev
      nikolaev 12 July 2016 11: 25
      0
      I think this is a variant of the hidden disarmament of Russia: they say that we care about strengthening defense capabilities, but for this we need money, therefore we need to sell weapons to third countries. At the same time, an economic policy is pursued in which there is no money and never will be
  22. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
    Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich 12 July 2016 11: 11
    +1
    It's strange. The country, it seems, is not one of the rich, but the demands ... Why the hell are they far-flung when the always "beloved" Pakistan is at their side. In general, it would be better not to stutter about the nuclear submarine. It was not enough for them "drowned women", they decided to attach the half-educated to the reactors?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 12 July 2016 11: 31
      +2
      So they have long been ICAPL and now they are building SSBNs.

      Prior to this, they operated the nuclear submarine, pr. 670 K-43 - even under the Union.
      Now Chakra / Nerpa - Pike-B 971.
      They also build an Arihant SSBN with 12 Sagarika ballistic missiles (1900 km range with nuclear warheads and 750 km with a 1 tonne high-explosive). Golovnaya is already on trials and even shot Sagarika in November 2015.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 12 July 2016 11: 44
      +2
      Quote: Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
      It’s strange. The country, it seems, is not from the rich, but requests ..

      their GDP is double that of ours and its growth in 2015 is + 7.3%, and ours - (minus) 3.9%, while they don’t sell any oil and gas over the hill, but, on the contrary, they buy it. So who is rich here and who is the poor
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 12 July 2016 12: 17
        -1
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Quote: Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
        It’s strange. The country, it seems, is not from the rich, but requests ..

        their GDP is double that of ours and its growth in 2015 is + 7.3%, and ours - (minus) 3.9%, while they don’t sell any oil and gas over the hill, but, on the contrary, they buy it. So who is rich here and who is the poor

        And the fact that they have almost an order of magnitude more people than ours does not bother you? It is necessary to compare GDP per capita, not total. I love "economists" comparing dry GDP figures.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 12 July 2016 13: 33
          0
          Quote: Muvka
          And the fact that they have almost an order of magnitude more people than ours do not shake?

          their economy is growing, but ours is falling, that’s all the numbers
          1. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian 12 July 2016 13: 56
            -1
            their economy is growing
            What position?
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 12 July 2016 15: 03
              +1
              Quote: Anglorussian
              their economy is growing
              What position?

              in terms of GDP growth over the past year
              1. Anglorussian
                Anglorussian 12 July 2016 15: 23
                +1
                in terms of GDP growth over the past year
                Meant, how many were originally? For example, I had a hundred bucks, I saved a hundred more, I’m twice as rich. And a millionaire neighbor miserable tens of thousands saved up, just a percent. In Zimbabwe, GDP is also growing now, while in the UK it is falling, but the standard of living is much higher.
                1. Stirbjorn
                  Stirbjorn 12 July 2016 16: 47
                  -1
                  Quote: Anglorussian
                  In Zimbabwe, GDP is also growing now, while in the UK it is falling, but the standard of living is much higher.

                  In Zimbabwe, it is growing 1.4%, In the UK, too, imagine growing - 2.5% (2015), but in Russia it is still falling since the end of 2014
                  1. Muvka
                    Muvka 12 July 2016 18: 52
                    0
                    And tell me, what are the sanctions imposed against India, Zimbabwe and the UK? Are they cut off from capital? I didn’t know, I didn’t.
                    1. Stirbjorn
                      Stirbjorn 12 July 2016 19: 01
                      -2
                      Quote: Muvka
                      And tell me, what are the sanctions imposed against India, Zimbabwe and the UK? Are they cut off from capital? I didn’t know, I didn’t.

                      so do they act? like well, on the contrary, everyone is happy that we have sanctions and production is growing (well, they say so). Iran under sanctions still gave a small increase of 0.8%. how so?
                      1. Muvka
                        Muvka 12 July 2016 20: 37
                        -1
                        Quote: Stirbjorn
                        Quote: Muvka
                        And tell me, what are the sanctions imposed against India, Zimbabwe and the UK? Are they cut off from capital? I didn’t know, I didn’t.

                        so do they act? like well, on the contrary, everyone is happy that we have sanctions and production is growing (well, they say so). Iran under sanctions still gave a small increase of 0.8%. how so?

                        Yes. Thanks to sanctions, we are developing OWN production. No external borrowing. And this is difficult. Therefore, GDP is falling. But in the long run, this is extremely useful for a country that wants to uphold its sovereignty.
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 12 July 2016 23: 25
          0
          And these people for the most part are substantially more whimsical than ours ...
      2. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 12 July 2016 12: 22
        -1
        they have double the GDP of ours
        They have a population 10 times larger. And the standard of living is 20 times lower. And for the hill they sell everything that is.
  23. yanus
    yanus 12 July 2016 11: 18
    -1
    Tu-22M3 dying car. Beautiful, interesting, but it didn’t come in handy .... Is it possible to frighten the Barmalei with free-falling bombs, which is a shame in their own way.
  24. nikolaev
    nikolaev 12 July 2016 11: 19
    0
    one of the options for disarmament of Russia
  25. Wolka
    Wolka 12 July 2016 11: 33
    0
    first re-equip your aircraft, and only then it is possible, but only at 100% prepayment
  26. Xmyp
    Xmyp 12 July 2016 11: 54
    +4
    Quote: volot-voin
    Quote: XmyP
    I think you should not scatter weapons that protect your country.

    We have so many C-400 and the whole country is covered? Maybe we built another 200 Tu-23М3?

    Industry must work and not stand idle. Let them sell, otherwise the USA or China will do it for us. This will provide funds for our workers in the factories, the development of scientific and technical progress and defense industry. India is not our enemy, our interests overlap little.
    With the proceeds, it will be possible to build twice as many C-400 and TU-23MZ versions for the Russian Federation.


    I want to disappoint you, but our industry has long been ruined, most factories do not exist.
    At those factories that are still trying to breathe, pensioners work mainly. Do not build castles in the air.

    When money is invested in the banking sector, and not in its production, it is difficult to think about new places and production.

    Over the past 10 years, I have traveled the country from Vyborg and the Krasnodar Territory to the Urengoy deposits, and I see that nothing has changed, but they are only finishing what is left of the USSR.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 12 July 2016 12: 19
      -1
      Quote: XmyP
      Quote: volot-voin
      Quote: XmyP
      I think you should not scatter weapons that protect your country.

      We have so many C-400 and the whole country is covered? Maybe we built another 200 Tu-23М3?

      Industry must work and not stand idle. Let them sell, otherwise the USA or China will do it for us. This will provide funds for our workers in the factories, the development of scientific and technical progress and defense industry. India is not our enemy, our interests overlap little.
      With the proceeds, it will be possible to build twice as many C-400 and TU-23MZ versions for the Russian Federation.


      I want to disappoint you, but our industry has long been ruined, most factories do not exist.
      At those factories that are still trying to breathe, pensioners work mainly. Do not build castles in the air.

      When money is invested in the banking sector, and not in its production, it is difficult to think about new places and production.

      Over the past 10 years, I have traveled the country from Vyborg and the Krasnodar Territory to the Urengoy deposits, and I see that nothing has changed, but they are only finishing what is left of the USSR.

      Prosrali all polymers. We disperse and go to die. Fresh development is fiction. And you won’t get a hypersonic missile on your knee, because there are no plants.
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 12 July 2016 12: 24
      -2
      And since you are so knowledgeable and follow the topic, what are the manufacturers of agricultural equipment in Russia?
  27. faiver
    faiver 12 July 2016 12: 07
    +1
    This is an absolutely normal practice, for Indian money modernization of VPC enterprises, that's just the confusion with the Tu-22m3, I doubt that Indians want to buy used bombers
    and in terms of conspiracy theories that they say this is a tricky version of the disarmament of Russia - it remains only to laugh ...
    For India, the most important thing is to maintain parity in armaments with China and Pakistan ...
  28. lopvlad
    lopvlad 12 July 2016 12: 11
    +1
    and 4 Tu-22M3 bombers

    you can’t forbid living curiously. There is nothing shortage for yourself and there’s nothing to replenish because the aircraft has been discontinued. In order to establish this very production, it takes years and even after production has been established we can produce a maximum of 1-2 per year.
    Collaboration in the style of "What for us Tu-22, they are only a burden for the army's budget" instantly stopped after the operation in Syria. I am more than sure that the cost of the operation in Syria would have increased significantly if we had not had the Tu-22.
    We have the same garbage with IL-76, which, after being transferred from Tashkent and modified to the level of IL-76MD-90A, is still not in the series. And they not only want to buy IL-76 but also for us to convert it to AWACS.
    Weapons can be sold in two cases
    1) when you yourself have its mass production and the army is fully provided.
    2) when the weapons (airplane, submarine, ship) are outdated and not relevant + you have serial production of more modern weapons that will fill the hole in the defense left after the sale.

    What the army turns into if everything is sold from it can be seen on a striking example of Ukraine.

    Themselves naked and barefoot, apparently with sticks in hand, we will fight.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 12 July 2016 13: 03
      +3
      Tu-22 in Syria just did nothing new. A pair of raids with cast iron bombing does not count (and yes, the Su-34 can do the same).


      Sludge - they bought tankers by the way, but with a new refueling system. They have an AWAC based on the Embraer ERJ 145. Now they want to combine the IL platform with even more powerful equipment, for the adult AWAC. At the same time, the supplier is not so critical, they calmly took Poseidon, for example, for the PLO, to replace the Il-38SD and the surviving Tu-142M.
  29. Xmyp
    Xmyp 12 July 2016 12: 50
    +3
    Quote: Muvka
    Prosrali all polymers. We disperse and go to die. Fresh development is fiction. And you won’t get a hypersonic missile on your knee, because there are no plants.


    Such as you are close-minded, they have been telling in style since 2000: all polymers have been drained.

    On the issue of agricultural machinery in Russia, you can type a search engine and see, rather than ask stupid questions. There you can see that 80% + is not collected from us.
  30. Roman 11
    Roman 11 12 July 2016 16: 52
    +1
    Where does India get such military appetites from? Of course, we will gladly sell Ila, Tu, helicopters and even an aircraft carrier to build, of course, for real money. And yet, why are they so energetically arming themselves? Is the technology out of date?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 July 2016 20: 23
      0
      India wants to buy 250 Avenger UAVs from the USA.
  31. exo
    exo 12 July 2016 17: 35
    +1
    A country that cannot ensure the normal pace of construction of modern ships should not be scattered with the remnants of its fleet. There is nothing to say about airplanes: in this class in the next ten years, we won’t do anything at all.
  32. sailor52
    sailor52 14 July 2016 11: 46
    +2
    Regarding the Tu-22М3.
    These 4 units for India are a test lot. Then they will ask for a whole air regiment.
    After that, China will either be offended or ask for the same.
    We have them all 63 in service.
    Conclusion: it's easier not to sell
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 14 July 2016 14: 42
      0
      Already this year requested. Documentation and production license.
  33. Megawolk
    Megawolk 17 October 2016 14: 56
    0
    Finally! And it’s not even about the money, although they are important of course. But the most important thing! Finally, another country has appeared where American democracy can now bring horseradish on the wings of military aircraft. Or rather. You can bring, of course, but it will be very, very expensive to the USA. What did you want in the age of crisis? In an age of crisis, democracy and rabid Russophobia are very expensive. Sometimes not only money, but also the lives of the pilots. It remains to bring protection from democracy to several more countries and regions: Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq, not and preferably part of the European Union :))