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Transit zrada

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Since July 1 in the economic block of the Ukrainian government began to scratch their heads, considering what to do in response to the Russian measure to limit the transit of Ukrainian goods through the territory of the Russian Federation to Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. Recall that it was 1 in July that Russia decided to introduce additional measures related to the transit of Ukrainian goods through its territory. In fact, such a measure is in the most favored mode, which Russia implements in relation to a number of CIS partners, and Ukraine, although its parliament has not ratified its entry into the CIS since the creation of the community, de jure does not leave the organization.


In other words, Russia has introduced a classic mode of transit service through its territory, taking into account the sanctions measures, which provides for a certain rate of customs duties (and there are still goods with zero duty) for a number of goods. The introduction of such a regime is connected with the ratification in Ukraine of an association agreement with the EU. And the fact that as soon as Ukraine ratifies the agreement has already been brought to Kiev on duty-free trade with the Russian Federation (and, in fact, with the Eurasian Union as a whole) he (Kiev) can forget.

Ukraine took the legislative measures of Russia as if it hadn't heard anything about warnings from Moscow. Kiev claims that he agreed with Astana and Bishkek on the payment of import duties for the EAEU, and that in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan payment of duties will take place. Russian customs officers listened and explained that Russian laws are in effect on Russian territory, and that Ukraine can negotiate with anyone, and it is Russia that is obliged to pay for the importation (transit) of goods according to the “most favored nation” tariffs. Moreover, the Ukrainian carriers are trying to transit certain food products, the import of which into the territory of the Russian Federation is completely prohibited (both import and transit), and therefore many Ukrainian trucks cannot enter Russian territory, which Ukraine presents as a violation of WTO rules and regulations.

Transit zrada


From the statement of the chairman of the Association of Ukrainian confectioners Oleksandr Baldynyuk:
For the pastry chef transit is closed permanently. We have just been informed that the Russians are returning our cars, that they are going to Central Asia.


And Petr Poroshenko was obviously extremely dissatisfied when he learned that his dearness - Roshen candies - was turned back to Russian customs ...

Even here, Russian customs officers calmly explain to Kiev that Ukraine can complain about the issue of WTO rules and regulations even to the WTO, to the Pope, and in Russia it is Russian laws that should be followed, even if you have the last stage of the Maidan of the brain.
A few days later, after Ukraine began reporting significant losses from Russian norms on the transit of goods to Central Asia, the Central Asian partners came to a start. In particular, they began to fuss in the National Chamber of Entrepreneurs (NCE) of Kazakhstan, actually calling on the Kazakh authorities to influence Moscow on the issue of transit of ukrotovarov.

From the statement of the Chairman of the Board of NPP "Atameken" of the Republic of Kazakhstan Dana Zhunusova:
For our part, we regularly notify the business through the official website palata.kz about the current situation, sent information to importers who have signed contracts with Ukrainian counterparties and provided information about existing contracts. The Economic Integration Department organized a hotline for entrepreneurs on the transit of goods from the territory of Ukraine. The main incoming questions concern both the rates of import customs duties and the possibilities of travel. Therefore, once again I want to note that products whose rate is higher than 0% of ETT are prohibited for import into the territory of the Russian Federation.


Against this background, it turned out that Ukraine simply did not want to abide by the rules of transit through Russian territory, trying even to sit down on two chairs after the “revolution of hydraulics”, declaring Russia an aggressor and trying to forgive goods and duty-free through the Russian Federation. Did not work ...

Yes, the Kazakh and Kyrgyz authorities themselves are clearly not eager to "put pressure" on Moscow in order for Russia to trade with Ukraine in the past format. Both Nursultan Nazarbayev and Almazbek Atambayev understand that Russia simply has no other way out, and in general they are not particularly nervous for the simple reason that the Ukrainian “confectionary” in Central Asia easily replaces the “confectionary” from the Russian Federation.

Kazakhstan NPP has to look for options in order to “not offend” Ukrainian partners. The same Dana Zhunusova offers Kiev "to look for alternative routes of supply of Ukrainian goods." As one of such routes (and this is trolling of the 80-level), the Scientific Production Enterprise RK offers “The Silk Road bypassing Russia”. Yes, yes, this is the very “Silk Road”, following which the infamous Ukrainian train first traveled 16 for days traveling across the expanses of Eurasia, twice on the ferries overcoming sea obstacles (the Black and Caspian Sea), and then waited several months for loading on the Kazakhstan-China border but did not wait. So, this route (after a couple of seas) Kazakhstan jokers from the Scientific Production Enterprise propose to follow in terms of sending goods from the territory of Ukraine to Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan.



Danu Junusova quotes the portal “Vesti.Ukraina":
Today this question is quite relevant. Yes, we must admit honestly, not everything is smooth on this route, but, nevertheless, the prospects and potential of the route through the Kazakh port of Aktau are quite high. Currently, about 70% of goods from Turkey to Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan follow the indicated route. Now we propose to use it for the transportation of goods from Ukraine.


True, Kazakhstan did not say how many ferries would have to be used in order to preserve the volume of Ukrainian imports, and how much such a “silk road” would cost in the end in an attempt to go around the Russian Federation. Roshen sweets somewhere in Astana or Bishkek will bargain along with precious metals ...

Meanwhile, the National Bank of Ukraine is already counting the losses and is looking for something to “answer” Russia. According to representatives of the NBU, Ukrainian exports to Central Asia will decrease by 1,3 billion dollars a year.

If Russian exports to the same Central Asia grow by about the same amount, then this can be considered another unconditional peremog of the Kiev saucepan maidan ...

On July 12, the Ukrainian newspaper Governmental Courier published a decree introducing a retaliatory embargo for Russian goods transiting to the EU and other countries. The whole problem for Ukraine is that Russian goods are not transited through the territory of Ukraine by Russian companies. They are simply outbid by representatives of the Ukrainian business in order to resell more expensive outside the "Square". Does this mean that the decision of the Ukrainian Cabinet will cause an additional blow to the Ukrainian business specializing in such resale? .. Although when this maydanny government cared for such nuances? ..
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 July 2016 04: 44
    +21
    Yes, what the heck? The ruin is quick-witted. Airplanes through Turkey-Iran-Central Asia. Well, they shoot expensively, but Mos. (and frostbitten ears).
    1. Don karleone
      Don karleone 13 July 2016 09: 26
      +8
      (and frostbitten ears).

      No ears on pans wassat
    2. Maksus
      Maksus 13 July 2016 11: 00
      +4
      Does the ban on transit through 404 of gas concern? This is a product, after all. What will the EU answer in this case?
      1. mikhail065
        mikhail065 13 July 2016 19: 36
        +1
        And nothing will answer. What are they enemies to themselves or what? And gas is a raw material.
      2. In100gram
        In100gram 14 July 2016 21: 51
        +1
        Quote: Maksus
        Does the ban on transit through 404 of gas concern? This is a product, after all. What will the EU answer in this case?

        There are not many options. Until 19, a contract, but we'll see. Either they will build a SP-2, or bargaining is appropriate. For me, bargaining is not appropriate.
    3. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 13 July 2016 21: 20
      0
      It is possible even across the pole on sledges ... Film "Deja vu"
    4. datur
      datur 13 July 2016 22: 31
      0
      Yes, what the heck? The ruin is quick-witted. Airplanes through Turkey-Iran-Central Asia. Well, they shoot expensively, but Mos. (and frostbitten ears) .---- via CANADA the best way !!!! exactly, exactly !!! wink
    5. vodolaz
      vodolaz 15 July 2016 23: 21
      0
      So here you are, zradnaya peremoga)))
  2. Knowing
    Knowing 13 July 2016 04: 50
    +17
    Here, Russian customs officers calmly explain to Kiev that on the issue of WTO rules and regulations, Ukraine may complain even to the WTO, even to the Pope ...- ha, dill heeded the advice and complained to the EC .. laughing
    The European Union will do everything possible to lift Russia’s trade restrictions on Ukraine, which practically stop transit to Central Asia, European Commissioner for European Neighborhood Policy and Enlargement Negotiations Johannes Hahn said at a press conference in Kiev.- it’s interesting how in gayes they imagine that sanctions will tighten ... requestDuc Russia does not scare. repeat
    1. Niko-zhukov
      Niko-zhukov 13 July 2016 07: 16
      +6
      I think that even if they write in "sportloto", then Russia will give a damn laughing
  3. Denis DV
    Denis DV 13 July 2016 05: 02
    +5
    According to NBU representatives, Ukrainian exports to Central Asia will decrease by $ 1,3 billion a year.

    Will the answer be a decrease in its profitability on "imports"? Do these dominos want to squeeze a plus out of two minuses? laughing
  4. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 13 July 2016 05: 50
    +23
    Still an interesting country-dill. The left hemisphere of the brain does not know what the right hemisphere decides. The truth here is, along the way, the question arises: is it the brain. We seem to have got used to gas wars - the aggressor gives the country gas, but at a discount. And here is the same scheme, they can’t give birth to anything new.
    And what’s most interesting - they make a fuss at first, and how they will get a response as if a little child were running to complain to their parents (read the USA and the EU) that they were being offended.
    And do they consider themselves a great country? It's disgusting to see these snot and drool.
  5. Bramb
    Bramb 13 July 2016 05: 58
    +49
    It is high time to introduce visas for them. These beggars will come here, and tries do we need it?
    Where are the visas for Ukrainians? They go to the EU anyway. Here they have nothing to do.
    1. Veter
      Veter 13 July 2016 06: 29
      +38
      Quote: Bramb
      It is high time to introduce visas for them.

      Correctly. The whole North is in dill, while there are enough maidanutas.
      1. razmik72
        razmik72 13 July 2016 07: 17
        -28%
        Quote: Veter
        Quote: Bramb
        It is high time to introduce visas for them.

        Correctly. The whole North is in dill, while there are enough maidanutas.

        Enter the visa regime, why not introduce it. If the peoples do not communicate among themselves, then it will be much easier to sculpt enemies from them.
        1. there
          there 13 July 2016 12: 31
          +12
          It is dangerous for those around to let out the crazy from the madhouse. It is doubly dangerous to release the maidan from Ukraine.
        2. Arikkhab
          Arikkhab 13 July 2016 16: 11
          +18
          read on the Internet the comments of residents of Ukraine about the helicopter shot down in Syria ... nothing needs to be sculpted - everything is stuck together
        3. Air Force Colonel
          Air Force Colonel 13 July 2016 17: 52
          +2
          Have you been a dear comrade in / in Ukraine for a long time? I and almost all men under 60 are not entry to / from this territory. So visas for Ukraine is the very thing.
        4. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 14 July 2016 13: 30
          +3
          Quote: razmik72
          Enter the visa regime, why not introduce it. If the peoples do not communicate among themselves, then it will be much easier to sculpt enemies from them.

          Believe me: personal communication with the Ukrainians who are here sculpts this image much more productively! Well, if not enemies, then smart-ass, offended, who think that they all want to be thrown and at the same time vile and muddy personalities ... how! Folk folklore does not grow out of nowhere about the "partisan detachment of two, three Ukrainians" ...
          I confirm from the experience of my own communication with representatives of this nationality ...
          1. Suhow
            Suhow 14 July 2016 21: 35
            +4
            about personal communication, excuse me, I didn’t communicate with you, I’m half-half, half-cap. honestly I don’t remember who I offended .. I didn’t talk about jumpers, but I also heard cotton wool from them, for example ... possibly the majority) under one comb. And our last guarantor didn’t get stuck, especially after the capture of BP and the presidential administration (2014) it is unknown that the Bandnrovites would be easily controlled so easily. And YOU all under one article, it’s a shame however ...
            1. kotvov
              kotvov 15 July 2016 16: 58
              +1
              .A you all under one article, it’s a shame however ... ,,
              dear, who didn’t become a pan-and-duck, we’re a comrade and brother. but you yourself will appreciate how many brainwashed people are walking on an empty one. Many come to Russia who carry such a blizzard, it’s just right to determine a madhouse.
        5. 97110
          97110 14 July 2016 17: 03
          +2
          Quote: razmik72
          If peoples do not communicate with each other, then it will be much easier to sculpt enemies from them.

          25 years of communication in an independent regime blinded quite complete enemies for themselves. How did the Armenian communication with Azerbaijan greatly reduce the number of finished enemies? Stop being clever, it's not the "Chapaev" checkers being played. There are no people in Ukraine, all your thoughtful maxims are smashed to smithereens on the aluminum or enamel pans of their heads. Even Uncle Sam is not a decree to them - they have a hydrological revolution! Oh how! And where are you going? Khokh.ly, at the first opportunity, for the fact of registering for VO, you will be forced to commit multiple suicide by self-shooting with subsequent self-immolation.
          1. Suhow
            Suhow 14 July 2016 21: 39
            0
            For example, I am registered at VO (Kiev), so far not everything is bad. Although the phrase of F.E. Dzerzhinsky is more clever here, why is there nothing to do with you? merit or lack ??
    2. razmik72
      razmik72 13 July 2016 07: 15
      -31%
      Quote: Bramb
      It is high time to introduce visas for them. These beggars will come here, and tries do we need it?
      Where are the visas for Ukrainians? They go to the EU anyway. Here they have nothing to do.

      Well, introduce visas with, as you say, "Ukrainians", well, whose? What will your country gain from this? The current Ukrainian leadership will be only happy if you have not understood this yet, if Russia itself, with its own hands, begins to introduce a visa regime and break off interethnic ties.
      1. ordinary
        ordinary 13 July 2016 09: 25
        +19
        Quote: razmik72
        Quote: Bramb
        It is high time to introduce visas for them. These beggars will come here, and tries do we need it?
        Where are the visas for Ukrainians? They go to the EU anyway. Here they have nothing to do.

        Well, introduce visas with, as you say, "Ukrainians", well, whose? What will your country gain from this? The current Ukrainian leadership will be only happy if you have not understood this yet, if Russia itself, with its own hands, begins to introduce a visa regime and break off interethnic ties.

        oh, and frightened the same damn .... Ukraine-that is, the country is a limitrophe in any case! it just will not stick to Muscovy ... well, they will try to stick to the "geyrope" .. that's right, it won't work. how else to teach ?!
        1. Suhow
          Suhow 14 July 2016 21: 45
          +4
          I don’t know about visas, but it’s time for the zarobitchites to send back to Nenka. And let the petrune and co send complaints. Someone (Ukraine) I already told some jumpers like you, and for some reason everyone should clean and smell ... It's unfair , and to begin with, at least it is economically necessary to teach, and to learn as an aggressor Krajina. Maybe then many will get out of their minds ...
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 13 July 2016 13: 59
        +8
        Quote: razmik72
        if Russia itself, with its own hands will begin to introduce a visa regime and break off interethnic relations.

        You see, we are not at all interested in the mood of the Ukrainian leaders. They will be glad, not happy, happy or sad - we are absolutely indifferent to this. It’s generally from the area of ​​the western clinic - to judge the politics and economics of states by whether the politician has an acid face or a head to ear. In matters of seriousness, no one's mood plays a role.
        Now about the connections. And where did you get the idea that the Russians need interethnic ties of this kind? The nation "Ukrainians" does not exist in nature. There is such a nervous disease, I agree. But there is no nation. There are Russians who understand themselves as Russians, so there are no problems with them. And there are sick people. We should protect ourselves from contacts with them more tightly, we will be healthier.
        In general, the ditch to dig is stupid, but the curtain on the border should be omitted. It is possible and iron. First, quarantine should be introduced for arrivals. At least six months, and at the expense of visitors. And it will be necessary to carefully monitor whether the Khokhlyatsky spirit comes out, or is it firmly rooted? And at the slightest suspicion to send forever.
      3. gringo
        gringo 14 July 2016 09: 06
        +3
        in general, a visa does not mean that Ukrainians cannot be in Russia, but it means that before entering our territory it is necessary to provide certain documents on the basis of which they will either be allowed to go or wrapped back. And communications, if they will suffer, then on a national scale, I mean Russia, it’s not so much for those who need to submit documents, but for small smugglers who are used to traveling here it is certainly bad.
      4. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 14 July 2016 13: 33
        +2
        Quote: razmik72
        introduce a visa regime and break off interethnic relations.

        Would you like to restore "interethnic" ties with Azerbaijan ???
    3. Lyubopyatov
      Lyubopyatov 13 July 2016 09: 46
      +13
      Visas must be introduced without fail - and immediately: in the interests of the security of Crimea. The "Right Sector", although unarmed, grazes with might and main in Crimea, and also extorts "a discount to Ukrainian patriots" from the owners of the living space.
    4. Air defense SSH
      Air defense SSH 14 July 2016 08: 36
      +1
      Do not enter visas, but transfer the border under Lviv ...
      1. Iskander Sh
        Iskander Sh 14 July 2016 18: 12
        +4
        Under Lviv, it was possible in the early 90s. Now in Dnepropetrovsk they will not support this idea. Let them live as they decided, you see the Maidan power itself will be obsolete, because you can’t dump everything on Muscovites to infinity. The approval rating of the authorities is about 11% (they wrote about Poroshenko that he does have a single-digit rating), although at the beginning of the year it was 17%.

        No need to drag for others, they will want to bear it themselves.
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    6. strelok581
      strelok581 15 July 2016 19: 49
      0

      Correctly. They come here and behave like on the Maidan. No. Only on .... sorry in the EU. And this is not an isolated case. I came across them myself. Greed, arrogance, venality, this is the lifestyle of these individuals.
  6. SibRUS
    SibRUS 13 July 2016 06: 31
    +12
    You can try to ship on the AH-225 candy, still idle. laughing
    1. UzRus
      UzRus 13 July 2016 13: 18
      +1
      Not a bad idea! An-225 carries sweets to Kyrgyzstan! Congenial! (c) It is at the Kant base that it can unload ... If cho ...
      1. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 13 July 2016 17: 47
        +2
        Piglet’s candy on Mriya is super.
        1. dvaposto
          dvaposto 14 July 2016 17: 52
          0
          last news. an AN-225 from the Roshen company crashed on the approach to the Kant base. on an area of ​​10 sq. km, 200 tons of sweets are scattered. harvesting is in progress.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 July 2016 06: 32
    +5
    Yes, a visa regime for dill is not difficult. However, it is worth remembering about LDNR. And what about them? Do they all have LDN citizenship? And have you changed your passports? Something is hard to believe.
    1. Lyubopyatov
      Lyubopyatov 13 July 2016 09: 49
      +1
      You can introduce a visa regime in stages: first on the Crimean border, then on the Donbass. But in the Russian-Donbass, maybe it will not be needed.
      1. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 13 July 2016 19: 41
        +1
        why all this hemorrhoids? and without visas, it’s quite possible to weed out the maydauns, you need to take a work permit, and other pieces of paper ...
  8. Scud
    Scud 13 July 2016 06: 49
    +16
    A significant part, God forgive me, is that the population of dill is so tenaciously maidanut that any nonsense ukrokhunty swallow and do not bite. Although, some already scratch turnips.
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 13 July 2016 07: 20
      -18%
      Quote: scud
      A significant part, God forgive me, is that the population of dill is so tenaciously maidanut that any nonsense ukrokhunty swallow and do not bite. Although, some already scratch turnips.

      I have a question for you - what does your term dill-maidanutaya mean, I am from Armenia and it is difficult for me to understand the meaning of this word.
      1. Altona
        Altona 13 July 2016 07: 52
        +18
        Quote: razmik72
        what does your term dill-maidanuta mean, I am from Armenia and it is difficult for me to understand the meaning of this word.

        ------------------
        Obsessed with Nazism and violence.
      2. oborzevatel
        oborzevatel 13 July 2016 09: 46
        +5
        Quote: razmik72
        I have a question for you - what does your term dill-maidanutaya mean?I am from Armenia and it is difficult for me to understand the meaning of this word.

        Not an officer's daughter, by any chance?
        Do you have it there too - "not everything is so simple"?
        Nobody wants a Euro-Asian Economic Union?
        Vote, go to the shops and live at gunpoint? ...
        1. Altona
          Altona 13 July 2016 10: 28
          +1
          Quote: oborzevatel
          Nobody wants a Euro-Asian Economic Union?

          -----------------
          Do not want to, then trade with the United States by teleporting goods. As an option with the Martians. Try to get something Armenian into the USA. I advise ERAZ trucks as oldtimers. You can supply pita bread and lobio.
      3. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 14 July 2016 13: 32
        +2
        Quote: razmik72
        I have a question for you - what does your term dill-maidanutaya mean, I am from Armenia and it is difficult for me to understand the meaning of this word.

        Well, it's like "Armenian-Karabakhnu" for Azerbaijan ...
    2. 97110
      97110 14 July 2016 17: 09
      0
      Quote: scud
      Although, some are already scratching their turnips.

      But the pan is in the way.
  9. aszzz888
    aszzz888 13 July 2016 07: 07
    +6
    The same Dana Zhunusova offers Kiev "to look for alternative routes for the supply of Ukrainian goods." As one of such routes (and this is level 80 trolling), NPP RK offers the Silk Road bypassing Russia.

    This is her kind of humor, Kazakh. But ukrohunta did not understand the humor, in the sense that she (non-fallow) does not understand anything at all. laughing
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 13 July 2016 07: 25
      -20%
      Quote: aszzz888
      The same Dana Zhunusova offers Kiev "to look for alternative routes for the supply of Ukrainian goods." As one of such routes (and this is level 80 trolling), NPP RK offers the Silk Road bypassing Russia.

      This is her kind of humor, Kazakh. But ukrohunta did not understand the humor, in the sense that she (non-fallow) does not understand anything at all. laughing

      The humor, of course, is excellent, but as I understand it, Russia on its border with Ukraine charges customs duties that it had to pay to Kazakhstan. I did not understand this idea of ​​the author. Can someone explain to me how Russia, instead of the Republic of Kazakhstan, takes customs payments destined for Kazakhstan from Ukraine?
      1. Altona
        Altona 13 July 2016 07: 50
        +12
        Quote: razmik72
        how Russia instead of the RK takes from Ukraine customs payments destined for Kazakhstan?

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        Russia takes payments for the transit of Ukrainian goods through its territory; customs payments for Kazakhstan are not of interest to Russia.
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 13 July 2016 07: 59
          -19%
          Quote: Altona
          Quote: razmik72
          how Russia instead of the RK takes from Ukraine customs payments destined for Kazakhstan?

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          Russia takes payments for the transit of Ukrainian goods through its territory; customs payments for Kazakhstan are not of interest to Russia.

          Duc Ukraine, in response, will introduce its transit payments through its territory, for the same gas, for example, and say: "Go complain at least to the Pope, at least to the WTO, but this is the internal Ukrainian legislation and they must comply with it." laughing
          1. Riv
            Riv 13 July 2016 08: 19
            +18
            Did you think that gas transit is now free?
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 13 July 2016 08: 41
              +10
              Quote: Riv
              Did you think that gas transit is now free?

              Apparently the man was not in the know ...
              1. razmik72
                razmik72 13 July 2016 09: 07
                -9
                Quote: Muvka
                Quote: Riv
                Did you think that gas transit is now free?

                Apparently the man was not in the know ...

                I am on many issues in the "courses", but I deviate from further discussion of this topic, because I see perfectly well that the people at VO are not disposed to discuss the topic of Russian-Ukrainian relations. For example, to my two innocent comments about the impasse of introducing a visa regime between Ukraine and Russia, at the moment, I am in a big minus, and most importantly, no one gave any arguments, why did they minus? If I were some kind of "agent", for example, the United States, as you write here, "the daughter of an officer", although I do not understand the original meaning of this expression, that is, where it came from, then I would assent to these comments and get would be pluses by writing something like this:
                "These gratuitous Ukrainians should have been put in their place long ago and the Russian government is liberal with them. It is necessary to clearly state to these Svidomites that they will never go to Russia again and let them roll to their Geyropa, if it is so dear to their hearts.
                1. alexej123
                  alexej123 13 July 2016 09: 46
                  +8
                  Razmik, excuse me for the transit of gas, well, the blatant stupidity has been "frozen". Ukraine's unilateral increase in the transit rate outside the agreement - they are already doing this, but is there any success? And who are they planning to buy gas from and at what prices, reverse? You are kind of "in the know"?
                2. oborzevatel
                  oborzevatel 13 July 2016 09: 50
                  +8
                  Quote: razmik72
                  I am on many issues in the "courses", but I deviate from further discussion of this topic, because I see perfectly well that the people at VO are not disposed to discuss the topic of Russian-Ukrainian relations.

                  And how would you react if you were offered to discuss the topic of Armenian-Azerbaijani relations?
                  Especially in the context of Nagorno-Karabakh?
                3. Lyubopyatov
                  Lyubopyatov 13 July 2016 09: 53
                  +8
                  Razmik (sorry that your nickname is not in Latin)
                  I dare to suspect your membership in the Armenian opposition, protesting against the joint air defense system with Russia and against the Russian base in Gyumri.
                4. Muvka
                  Muvka 13 July 2016 09: 54
                  +2
                  Quote: razmik72
                  Quote: Muvka
                  Quote: Riv
                  Did you think that gas transit is now free?

                  Apparently the man was not in the know ...

                  I am on many issues in the "courses", but I deviate from further discussion of this topic, because I see perfectly well that the people at VO are not disposed to discuss the topic of Russian-Ukrainian relations. For example, to my two innocent comments about the impasse of introducing a visa regime between Ukraine and Russia, at the moment, I am in a big minus, and most importantly, no one gave any arguments, why did they minus? If I were some kind of "agent", for example, the United States, as you write here, "the daughter of an officer", although I do not understand the original meaning of this expression, that is, where it came from, then I would assent to these comments and get would be pluses by writing something like this:
                  "These gratuitous Ukrainians should have been put in their place long ago and the Russian government is liberal with them. It is necessary to clearly state to these Svidomites that they will never go to Russia again and let them roll to their Geyropa, if it is so dear to their hearts.

                  I tried you where I could, but first you study the question, and then write. And in order not to get unnecessary minuses, comments can be deleted.
                  1. razmik72
                    razmik72 13 July 2016 10: 14
                    -2
                    Quote: Muvka
                    Quote: razmik72
                    Quote: Muvka
                    Quote: Riv
                    Did you think that gas transit is now free?

                    Apparently the man was not in the know ...

                    I am on many issues in the "courses", but I deviate from further discussion of this topic, because I see perfectly well that the people at VO are not disposed to discuss the topic of Russian-Ukrainian relations. For example, to my two innocent comments about the impasse of introducing a visa regime between Ukraine and Russia, at the moment, I am in a big minus, and most importantly, no one gave any arguments, why did they minus? If I were some kind of "agent", for example, the United States, as you write here, "the daughter of an officer", although I do not understand the original meaning of this expression, that is, where it came from, then I would assent to these comments and get would be pluses by writing something like this:
                    "These gratuitous Ukrainians should have been put in their place long ago and the Russian government is liberal with them. It is necessary to clearly state to these Svidomites that they will never go to Russia again and let them roll to their Geyropa, if it is so dear to their hearts.

                    I tried you where I could, but first you study the question, and then write. And in order not to get unnecessary minuses, comments can be deleted.

                    Thank you for your support, but I don’t want to touch on the topic of Russian-Ukrainian relations anymore, but I want to say that all these Ukrainian-Russian squabbles look wild to me, it’s the same if Armenia fought with its part Karabakh and introduced a visa regime with part of their people. The forum has repeatedly argued that Russians and Ukrainians are one people, with the introduction of visas, communication between almost the same people, by the will of fate divided by borders, will decrease and this will benefit only the enemies of Russia and Ukraine.
                    And I would advise you to introduce a visa regime with the countries of Central Asia. They really in the future pose a danger to the demographic situation in Russia. hi .
                    1. UzRus
                      UzRus 13 July 2016 13: 15
                      0
                      And in what this danger is expressed, let me ask?
                5. AllXVahhaB
                  AllXVahhaB 14 July 2016 13: 37
                  0
                  Quote: razmik72
                  I am on many issues in the "courses", but I deviate from further discussion of this topic, because I see perfectly well that the people at VO are not disposed to discuss the topic of Russian-Ukrainian relations. For example, to my two innocent comments about the impasse of introducing a visa regime between Ukraine and Russia, at the moment, I am in a big minus, and most importantly, no one gave any arguments, why did they minus? If I were some kind of "agent", for example, the United States, as you write here, "the daughter of an officer", although I do not understand the original meaning of this expression, that is, where it came from, then I would assent to these comments and get would be pluses by writing something like this:
                  "These gratuitous Ukrainians should have been put in their place long ago and the Russian government is liberal with them. It is necessary to clearly state to these Svidomites that they will never go to Russia again and let them roll to their Geyropa, if it is so dear to their hearts.

                  I would like to see how you would react on the topic of discussion of the Armenian-Azerbaijani relations ...
                6. 97110
                  97110 14 July 2016 17: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: razmik72
                  and most importantly, no one cited arguments for which they minus?

                  Archive chtoli read. We are already tired of sucking pots instead of the heads of our western neighbors. If you are so sharply neglected, they should understand that YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. Well, it’s not given to you, it’s difficult too. Roughly like Karabakh-bang for us. Well, we carefully ask you in the context of your reasoning, how are you doing with establishing relations and international communication with your neighbor. You do not condescend to us. Why? It is interesting to us. And your thoughts about Hohland - no.
              2. ordinary
                ordinary 13 July 2016 09: 29
                +4
                Quote: Muvka
                Quote: Riv
                Did you think that gas transit is now free?

                Apparently the man was not in the know ...

                a person in the know .. he just "sympathizes" with the vnau Ukrainians, he has been trolling here for a long time
                1. Riv
                  Riv 13 July 2016 10: 08
                  +8
                  Recently, Ukrainian trolls have more and more petrosyanyut. Not surprising. The general level of intelligence in Ukraine is catastrophically reduced.
                  1. Kenneth
                    Kenneth 13 July 2016 11: 50
                    +5
                    After the mass emigration of Ukrainians to Canada, the average level of intelligence fell both here and there.
                    1. AdekvatNICK
                      AdekvatNICK 14 July 2016 16: 36
                      +1
                      Do you think in Russia the youth’s intelligence is higher than in Ukraine?
                      1. ver_
                        ver_ 15 July 2016 13: 10
                        0
                        ..with whom you will lead, from that you will pick up ..
          2. nekot
            nekot 13 July 2016 09: 08
            +11
            Are you really absolutely not up to the question about which so many have expressed or are fooling around?)):

            1. Gas transit through Ukraine has always been paid, so you can scare it with the Censor))
            2. "What does your term mean" ukrop-maidanutaya "- well, for starters, SKAD wrote an emphasis-maidanutaya, if you wanted to joke, then you did not understand)) And what is maidan, you, sitting on this forum for a long time, should probably know ))
            So your trolling disappeared in vain))
          3. Altona
            Altona 13 July 2016 09: 26
            +4
            Quote: razmik72
            Duc Ukraine, in response, will introduce its transit payments through its territory, for the same gas, for example, and say: "Go complain at least to the Pope, at least to the WTO, but this is the internal Ukrainian legislation and they must comply with it."

            ------------------
            And we scored completely on Ukrainian transit, Russia now uses the Belarusian transit corridor within the EAEU. And where is the Ukrainian transit? To the poor, Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary, that is, nowhere. And the fact that from Moldova and Transnistria goes Bulgaria, then the Black Sea. So we do not need Ukraine as a transit territory.
            1. kuz363
              kuz363 13 July 2016 09: 59
              +3
              You are mistaken. Gas pipelines from Ukraine go to Poland, Austria and other large consumers. In particular, in Italy.
              1. Altona
                Altona 13 July 2016 10: 24
                +2
                Quote: kuz363
                You are mistaken. Gas pipelines from Ukraine go to Poland, Austria and other large consumers. In particular, in Italy.

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                There is no question about gas. No need to get him here. Gas transit is prescribed in contracts with Gazprom, everything is paid there initially. We are talking about the transit of goods, railway and auto transport, so in this regard, Ukraine can be easily circumvented. Poles with Belarusians are only happy.
          4. kuz363
            kuz363 13 July 2016 09: 56
            +2
            But gas transit fees are still in effect. It seems like 30 dollars for 1000 cubic meters.
          5. realyty
            realyty 15 July 2016 15: 13
            +2
            Razmik, why are you so stubborn? Do you like being a hermit?
            I, behold, a crest - but I understand everything perfectly. I think an adequate (decent) person can understand what - at least lies on the surface!
      2. AID.S
        AID.S 13 July 2016 08: 09
        +4
        Quote: razmik72
        The humor, of course, is excellent, but as I understand it, Russia on its border with Ukraine levies customs duties that it had to pay to Kazakhstan.

        Dear, have you read the article? We are talking about the transit regime in the Russian Federation of certain types of goods. And transit must be paid. Now Ukraine is studying in practice the second part of the joke about two bulls on the mountain.
      3. Muvka
        Muvka 13 July 2016 08: 20
        +6
        Quote: razmik72
        Quote: aszzz888
        The same Dana Zhunusova offers Kiev "to look for alternative routes for the supply of Ukrainian goods." As one of such routes (and this is level 80 trolling), NPP RK offers the Silk Road bypassing Russia.

        This is her kind of humor, Kazakh. But ukrohunta did not understand the humor, in the sense that she (non-fallow) does not understand anything at all. laughing

        The humor, of course, is excellent, but as I understand it, Russia on its border with Ukraine charges customs duties that it had to pay to Kazakhstan. I did not understand this idea of ​​the author. Can someone explain to me how Russia, instead of the Republic of Kazakhstan, takes customs payments destined for Kazakhstan from Ukraine?

        In your opinion, Ukraine should not pay anything for transit on our roads, but should we pay Ukraine billions for the transit of gas to Europe through their territory? Oh, great.
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  11. parusnik
    parusnik 13 July 2016 07: 23
    +8
    True, what kind of trade through the territory of the aggressor country, on preferential terms .. Potroshenko rams and Co. .. rams beguiled ...
  12. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 13 July 2016 07: 27
    +15
    Dumb, they dug up the Black Sea, and there’s no reason to think of building a tunnel under Mother Russia all over China.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 13 July 2016 09: 39
      +2
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Dumb, they dug up the Black Sea, and there’s no reason to think of building a tunnel under Mother Russia all over China.

      In order not to violate the zone of economic interests of Russia, Ukropia will have to dig a tunnel at a depth of at least two hundred kilometers.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 15 July 2016 17: 21
        0
        , Dill will have to dig a tunnel at a depth of at least two hundred kilometers. ,,
        they frightened them, after digging the seas, it’s like two fingers about a fence. here in the vast, an interesting thing came across (sorry I didn’t), but the essence is this: the first in space was not Gagarin. yet in 1957. Two convicted Bandera were launched (for experiments) into space. They managed to take control of this device. They landed on the moon, where, after a long hunger strike, the Americans waited. They shared borsch and dumplings with them, and most importantly WEAPONS. Now they have a base on the back. side of the moon, where they are hoarding weapons, and waiting to strike a damned morder. and all this in all seriousness.
  13. fa2998
    fa2998 13 July 2016 07: 34
    +2
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Yes, what the heck? The ruin is quick-witted. Airplanes through Turkey-Iran-Central Asia. Well, they shoot expensively, but Mos. (and frostbitten ears).

    No, it’s very simple! It’s better to go around Eurasia by ship, unload for example in Shanghai, and get to Kazakhstan from the East. This is a hitch! laughingYou just need to agree with the Chinese about a "zero" rate for Ukrainian goods and go! hi
  14. Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 13 July 2016 07: 36
    0
    Better in transit through Belize and Papua New Guinea! wassat fool
  15. EvgNik
    EvgNik 13 July 2016 07: 38
    +1

    Against this background, it turned out that Ukraine simply does not want to comply with the rules for transit through Russian territory

    They want to abide by their rules in the country .. Therefore, there is only one way for them - through Africa _ and further, wherever the soul desires. Moreover, in the African Union they are kind of like their relatives. Look and Poroshenko curly.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 13 July 2016 09: 48
      0
      Quote: EvgNik

      They want to abide by their rules in the country .. Therefore, there is only one way for them - through Africa _ and further, wherever the soul desires. Moreover, in the African Union they are kind of like their relatives. Look and Poroshenko curly.

      Well, yes. Let P36-O rockets be restored on Yuzhmash and deliver their goods through the South Pole to the United States at least. http://www.kap-yar.ru/index.php?pg=227
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 13 July 2016 14: 24
        +1
        Quote: Amurets
        Quote: EvgNik

        They want to abide by their rules in the country .. Therefore, there is only one way for them - through Africa _ and further, wherever the soul desires. Moreover, in the African Union they are kind of like their relatives. Look and Poroshenko curly.

        Well, yes. Let P36-O rockets be restored on Yuzhmash and deliver their goods through the South Pole to the United States at least. http://www.kap-yar.ru/index.php?pg=227

        No, rockets are too difficult for skakkas now. But there is a way-Trampolines lol
  16. koksalek
    koksalek 13 July 2016 07: 38
    +1
    I haven’t laughed like that for a long time! Respect to the author
  17. Suhov
    Suhov 13 July 2016 07: 40
    +5
    It was necessary to build an iron road bypassing Russia, and not to dig the Black Sea! wassat
    Now you have to build a bridge ... smile
    1. Riv
      Riv 13 July 2016 08: 20
      +6
      They still fence them. Yatsenyuk not completed. Which bridge?
  18. KRIG55
    KRIG55 13 July 2016 08: 04
    0
    A trifle, but nice. You need to think before you enter anywhere.
  19. Beefeater
    Beefeater 13 July 2016 08: 06
    0
    They will carry bribes.
    This is a bonanza for customs. First you need to change all the customs authorities a couple of times.
    So we are waiting for personnel changes.
  20. morpogr
    morpogr 13 July 2016 09: 05
    +5
    Yeah, all galloping, having fun, counting, wept. And most importantly, what for us? Logic in Ukraine is now not respected. recourse
    1. Suhow
      Suhow 14 July 2016 22: 01
      +1
      everyone jumped, here you are mistaken morporg .. I know let's say at least 10 who did not jump and this Euro did not support.
  21. Don karleone
    Don karleone 13 July 2016 09: 25
    0
    (and frostbitten ears). [/ quote]

    No ears on pans wassat
    1. Alex20042004
      Alex20042004 14 July 2016 15: 33
      0
      Provided, see how to stay:
  22. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 13 July 2016 12: 29
    +3
    Ukraine took the legislative measures of Russia as if it had not heard anything about Moscow’s warnings.
    It is time to stop wondering at the supposedly idiotic actions of the political leadership of Ukraine. Here in the face Hohlyatsky cunningness consists in the fact that, following their psychology, they consider themselves the center of the world and all owe it to them by default. The trouble is that they are constantly trying to even ++++ themselves and therefore, from the point of view of their actions, they seem illogical and ridiculous to us. laughing
  23. Makarov
    Makarov 13 July 2016 12: 42
    +1
    This is the beginning of a trade war about which was warned starting from doubts about the signing of the Association Agreement ... in such wars, the one who has more resources "in his bosom" ALWAYS wins, but at the same time ALWAYS affects both parties to the conflict ... to one degree or another
  24. UzRus
    UzRus 13 July 2016 13: 10
    +3
    I somehow did not understand ... But what for Kazakhstan Ukrainian confectionery? They have a cool confectionery factory RAKHAT, in comparison with the production of which Roshen candies are a complete muck.
    1. marshes
      marshes 13 July 2016 14: 11
      +2
      Quote: UzRus
      I somehow did not understand ... But what for Kazakhstan Ukrainian confectionery? They have a cool confectionery factory RAKHAT, in comparison with the production of which Roshen candies are a complete muck.

      Household appliances, building materials, plumbing, transformers are much cheaper than from the Russian Federation, even though they were brought in by roundabouts and customs cleared in the framework of the EAEU,
  25. PValery53
    PValery53 13 July 2016 13: 32
    +1
    Present-day Ukraine acts according to the principle: we are a goat to them (mos-lyam), but what for us?
  26. marshes
    marshes 13 July 2016 14: 09
    +1
    So this year I encountered a washing machine from Ukraine 61 t. Tenge, one tipka from Lipetsk 82 t. Tenge.
    OSBi 6 mm, the density is rather high, and the standard sheet is 2.500x1.250 mm-1400 tenge and the "other" "loose" 6 mm and strange dimensions 2.460 x 1.230 mm at 1700 tenge per sheet.
    Ukrainian is good, the other side is "rough", not polished, and there is a lot of glue.
    1. UzRus
      UzRus 13 July 2016 14: 44
      +1
      Was it Electrolux by any chance? We sell them too.
      1. marshes
        marshes 13 July 2016 14: 50
        0
        Quote: UzRus
        Was it Electrolux by any chance? We sell them too.

        Not the same indesit.
        I bought an even bigger gas stove from Nord, comparing with other samples of pennies.
        I did the repair to odnushka, I rent it out, there is all the plumbing from Ukraine. Cheap and cheerful.
        China, a quality one, has become even more expensive, even though those yuan devalued several times.
  27. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 13 July 2016 14: 18
    +1
    It is striking that this was done in the year 16. In 2016 !!!

    Ukrainians started burning, cutting and bombing Russians in 2014, and they are getting an answer just now! The mess. am
  28. RoTTor
    RoTTor 14 July 2016 00: 04
    +4
    For a decade and a half, the "Ministry of" Infrastructure "of Ukraine has been run by complete laymen - historians with no work experience, hysterics, race car drivers, provincial lawyers - fellow countrymen of the scandalous Yatsenyuk, rural machine operators.
    The main thing is that there should be generous super-patriots from Western Ukraine.
    The current Ukrainian "minister" is simply a hysterical psychopath, but a citizen of Lviv, who during official events walked in a T-shirt with the inscription PTN-PNKh.
    he and his thieving predecessor. who escaped to the USA, they magnificently sent a container train in a cargo ... of air to China.
    They put a whole gang group of foreigners who do not know either transport, or Russian, or Ukrainian into the leadership of the Ukrainian railways. Here is such an independence.
    But two miraculously survived from the destruction of the old extinct line Ilyichevsk - Varna. these ... pedals to the Kiev railway company "Liski", which is also run by tourist parachutists, but from Western Ukraine

    But what dreams were about dozens of international transport corridors through Ukraine.

    It is unaware that international transit goes through stable, reliable ones. calm and non-thieving countries.
  29. Evil 55
    Evil 55 14 July 2016 10: 03
    +3
    And this is for you, Petya, a present for all your scoundrels, vulgarities, goats and drunkards ..
  30. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 14 July 2016 13: 38
    +1
    Ukrainian "confectionery" in Central Asia is easily replaced by a "confectionery" from the Russian Federation

    In Central Asia and Kazakhstan, I also have my own great confectionery, I think the local manufacturers will even be glad that Maidan sweets will remain in Hohland.
  31. Energetick
    Energetick 14 July 2016 14: 06
    0
    Well, Ukrainians want not to pay for the import of goods, let them not pay. And do not import. everything is simple. or bypass let them drive. if they bring me. what to whimper right away .....
  32. Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 14 July 2016 15: 29
    0
    The circus left, and the pan-and-leg left:
  33. Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 14 July 2016 15: 30
    0
    Invincible:
  34. andrew42
    andrew42 14 July 2016 15: 44
    0
    The bottom line is that transit goods when moving through the territory of the Russian Federation (from the point of entry to the point of export) are not subject to payments, but only a pledge (securing the payment of customs payments). The deposit is returned (or re-accounted for the next transit consignments) upon confirmation of the export of goods from the customs territory of the Russian Federation. This is done solely so that "transit" goods do not dissolve in a strange way on Russian territory without paying import duties, excise taxes and VAT. That is, no money is levied into the Russian budget, with the exception of penny fees for the customs clearance procedure. But they don't even want to make a "deposit". They want to be in the EU and enjoy the benefits of the Customs Union within the framework of the Eurasian Economic Community. Indeed, there is no limit to the uk-rop impudence.
  35. kirpich
    kirpich 14 July 2016 15: 59
    +1
    Eeee .... Afanasy Nikitin "Walking the Three Seas"? Not?
  36. Nasty
    Nasty 14 July 2016 17: 34
    0
    Ukraine has long been strangled.
  37. Siberian1965
    Siberian1965 15 July 2016 03: 52
    0
    Quote: Suhow
    everyone jumped, here you are mistaken morporg .. I know let's say at least 10 who did not jump and this Euro did not support.

    I have few acquaintances in Ukraine, but those that have foam at the mouth protect the pan-canned or maidanut. Of your choice. And it seems to have grown in the depths of Siberian ores. Putin is to blame for them, Russia must, etc.
  38. Erg
    Erg 15 July 2016 12: 00
    0
    Another nail in the lid of the coffin of the Maidan.
  39. rapid1934
    rapid1934 15 July 2016 16: 31
    0
    Sorry for repeating myself, but LAST TIME NEWS FROM UKRAINE CALL ONLY A SOMETHING IDENTITY. hi
    It is a sin to laugh at the sick. request
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