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GMM-120 self-propelled mortar project (Georgia)

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Self-propelled artillery of various classes is of great interest to all armies in the world, since it has a number of characteristic advantages over towed systems. This interest leads to the emergence of various projects, including from new developers. At the end of May, the Georgian organization Delta presented its own version of a self-propelled mortar based on a wheeled car. The project of the combat vehicle, as well as its main element, is called GMM-120.


The draft of the GMM-120 mortar system was first introduced last year. 26 May in Tbilisi hosted an exhibition dedicated to Independence Day, during which defense companies demonstrated their new developments. One of the most interesting exhibits at the exhibition was the GMM-120 mortar system, which includes the artillery unit itself, a carriage and automated guidance systems with digital fire control equipment. It was argued that the new product can be used with various self-propelled platforms that have the appropriate characteristics.

A year later, the state scientific and technical center "Delta" presented the further development of the already known system. At the end of May, 2016 was shown to specialists and the general public for the first time a prototype of a self-propelled combat vehicle equipped with a GMM-120 gun. In the foreseeable future, a self-propelled mortar must pass all the necessary tests, the results of which will determine its further fate. The real prospects of the complex, however, at the moment may be the subject of controversy for one reason or another.


Advertising image of a self-propelled mortar


As a platform for the placement of weapons and auxiliary systems, the designers of Delta have chosen the commercial commercial chassis of a MAN truck. Used car bonnet layout with a three-axle chassis. The exact model of the used truck has not yet been announced. During the construction of a self-propelled mortar complex, an armored corps, an artillery system, space for the crew, etc. are mounted on the cargo chassis. The GMM-120 self-propelled mortar in the stowed position has a length of 8,4 m, a width of 2,8 m and a height of 2,8 m. The combat weight is 15 t.

Characteristics of mobility are not called, but the available information about modern truck chassis suggests that the GMM-120 combat vehicle has a fairly high mobility and is able to quickly arrive in a given area, as well as leave it after shooting. In some cases, the patency of the wheeled chassis will be sufficient even when driving on rugged power.

An interesting feature of the self-propelled mortar chassis is the lack of any means to stabilize during firing. The machine does not have jacks outriggers or other similar equipment. The absence of traditional stabilization systems is associated with the characteristics of the mortar system underlying the project. It is equipped with advanced recoil devices, which, according to the calculations of the authors of the project, should reduce the recoil impulse to the minimum values, which allow to do without additional supports.


Prototype at the show


The automobile chassis receives the original armored body, which protects the crew and internal units from small-arms bullets. weapons and light fragments. The body is divided into several main parts for different purposes. In front of the hull there is a driver’s and commander’s cabin, equipped with large bulletproof glass windows and its own side doors. Directly behind the cabin there is a small compartment with seats to accommodate the calculation of the mortar. This compartment also has its own doors, and is also connected by an opening with a fighting compartment. Above the cockpit and gunnery compartment in the hull roof there are two hatches.

The cargo platform of the chassis is given under the fighting compartment. It is made in the form of a large box-like structure with an opening roof. Most of the roof is made in the form of a hinged double hatch, the doors of which are equipped with hydraulic opening drives. The hull's stern leaf has a side opening door, under which is a small ladder that facilitates landing. In the sides of the fighting compartment there are several small windows with bulletproof glass.

The central part of the combat compartment is occupied by the GMM-120 mortar module, which was previously presented and modified for installation on a self-propelled chassis. Outwardly and in its design, this system strongly resembles some foreign developments, which may be the reason for assumptions about joint mortar design. However, officially the cooperation of Georgian designers with foreign experts is not reported.


View of the sides and stern, the roof is open


Directly on the floor of the fighting compartment, on the cargo platform of the chassis, a round base plate of the mortar with pointing devices is installed. The plate is equipped with drives to rotate the equipment mounted on it around the vertical axis, which are responsible for the horizontal guidance of the weapon. On the swivel base there is a U-shaped support for the rocking part of the artillery system. To change the angles of vertical guidance, it is proposed to use hydraulic cylinders located near the support legs. This design means the installation of tools allows the guidance using automated electric and hydraulic systems on commands from the remote. This simplifies the work of the calculation, and also, to a certain extent, improves the accuracy of pointing.

The swinging block of the mortar system is an assembly of the barrel with the necessary equipment and recoil devices. All elements of the artillery unit are installed in an elongated body of rectangular cross section, hinged on a support and connected to the guidance hydraulics. In the housing-casing placed recoil devices, the type of which is not specified. Probably a hydraulic or hydropneumatic system is used. The task of recoil devices is to absorb the recoil momentum when firing in order to reduce the forces acting on the base chassis. Two cylinders of recoil devices are placed on the sides of the barrel.

Mortar GMM-120 has a smooth barrel caliber 120 mm. Used muzzle loading, to facilitate which the barrel is equipped with a socket. Barrel life is declared at the level of 4 thousand shots. When developing the project, it was decided to abandon any automatic loader systems. This led to a reduction in the size and weight of the structure, as well as cheaper production and operation. The authors of the project found that the calculation of the mortar, even on their own and without the help of mechanisms, will be able to provide the required rate of fire.

GMM-120 self-propelled mortar project (Georgia)
Mortar system GMM-120 separately from the carrier


Self-propelled mortar received automated guidance system. To the left of the gun is a rack with control devices. The gunner's console has a display and a set of various controls. The existing equipment, reportedly, allows the combat vehicle to determine its own coordinates and carry out the calculations necessary for firing. Also, with the help of automated control systems, the gunner can perform the guidance of a mortar with the required angles. It is alleged that the fire control system and communications equipment allows the commander of the GMM-120 to control the operation of his own mortar, as well as control the operation of the battery or division.

To the right of the mortar on a rotating platform is a small stowage for storing part of the ammunition used in the first place. This device is made in the form of ten vertically arranged holders-glasses in which it is proposed to place 120-mm mines. During shooting, the loaders must extract shots from this piling and send them to the barrel. Next to the piling, there is a box-like structure, which probably should perform the functions of a step when loading the trunk, raised at maximum elevation angles.

The artillery piece in the form of a carriage with automated guidance drives, control systems and mortar with recoil devices in total weighs 2 tons. In this case, some recoil devices are designed to reduce the recoil impulse acting on a commercial chassis with limited characteristics.

In the stern of the fighting compartment, in the rear corners of the hull, the GMM-120 prototype carries two ammunition racks. They are made in the form of a frame with a set of tubular restraints in which mines are placed. Such holders-glasses are located with an inclination back and are placed in five rows of five. Two such racks, as well as laying on a carriage mortar allow you to transport ammunition in 60 min. Other regular means of transporting ammunition are not provided.


Tool control panel


As mentioned, the GMM-120 mortar is not equipped with any loading systems, because of which the crew must supply ammunition to the gun. Trained loaders should provide a firing rate of up to 15 shots per minute. This allows the combat vehicle to spend the entire ammunition load in a matter of minutes, inflicting the greatest possible damage to the enemy, then leaving the position without waiting for a retaliatory strike.

Due to the change in the charge of mines and the angle of elevation of the barrel, the firing range can vary within fairly wide limits. The minimum firing range of the 120-mm mine is 480 m, the maximum is declared at the level of 7100 m.

To manage the work of all systems of the new self-propelled mortar must crew of six people. One of them is the driver, the rest are responsible for the operation of the mortar system. For the guidance of weapons responsible commander, also operating the communication system. Other crew members must perform various tasks, primarily to load weapons.

The GMM-120 self-propelled mortar armor is able to protect the crew, weapons and various units from enemy small arms or debris. In addition, the project provides for the use of other means of self-defense. On the roof of the cab, in front of the upper hatch, is a turret with a large-caliber machine gun. Using this weapon, the crew can attack targets in the front hemisphere and effectively counteract manpower or unprotected enemy equipment. On the prototype, shown at the end of May at the exhibition in Tbilisi, the turret was equipped with a 12,7-mm NSVT machine gun.


View from the gunner's workplace


In the proposed form, the GMM-120 self-propelled mortar project looks quite interesting. Scientific and Technical Center "Delta" managed to create a curious and modern look of self-propelled artillery on a wheeled chassis. The main features of the project allow us to expect to achieve a sufficiently high combat performance. However, for obvious reasons, the project may face serious difficulties of one kind or another.

In case of successful completion of the project, a successful combat vehicle may appear, able to quickly reach the firing position, quickly determine its location and calculate the guidance angles, and then begin to fire the target from a distance of several kilometers. After completing the fire mission, the crew can quickly collapse the complex and leave the position. One of the main factors affecting both the combat qualities and the mobility of equipment are anti-recoil devices, which have made it possible to do without additional supports. In the case of using other, traditional ideas and solutions, the tactical and technical characteristics of the machine could look different.

Of particular interest is the maximum automation of all major processes. With the help of control systems and mechanical drives, it is proposed to perform various operations, first of all, the guidance of an instrument. However, it should be noted that on the GMM-120 prototype, manual guidance systems are not visible, and this may indicate a lack of duplication of fixed assets with negative operational consequences. In the event of problems with hydraulics or electric equipment, the crew may lose the possibility of further pointing weapons, which will thwart the performance of a combat mission.


One of the racks of the fighting compartment


The study of available materials shows that the prototype of a self-propelled mortar presented at a recent exhibition is not of high build quality and sophisticated design. The individual elements of the GMM-120 look show that the authors of the project are only working on them and have not finally decided on the design. However, such features of the prototype can not be considered the shortcomings of the project as a whole. Rather, they may be the reason for claims to the developers or to the leadership of the industry, who have decided to send a “raw” sample to the exhibition, which has not yet passed the entire cycle of tests and refinement.

There are questions about the prospects of the original Georgian project. GMM-120 self-propelled mortar may be of interest to various customers, both for the Georgian army and for the armed forces of third countries. However, the state of the Georgian industry and some other factors may exclude the possibility of the emergence of contracts for the supply of new equipment. Since the beginning of this decade, several variants of military equipment for various purposes have been created by the efforts of the Georgian industry, but these developments are not in particular demand from their own army or other states. Some samples have already entered mass production, while others have remained in the form of several prototypes.

The project GMM-120 self-propelled mortar, developed by the Delta Scientific-Technical Center, proposed several interesting and promising ideas. Their successful implementation will allow to present a promising model of self-propelled artillery with rather high characteristics. Nevertheless, the project has so far managed to reach only the stage of construction of a prototype, which, apparently, only recently came to the test and has not yet passed all the necessary checks. Only the successful completion of the tests and the necessary improvement of the project will allow to draw full conclusions about the new development. Whether the project's authors succeed in fully implementing all the proposals and solving the tasks posed, time will tell.


On the materials of the sites:
http://delta.gov.ge/
http://armyrecognition.com/
http://sputnik-georgia.ru/
http://apsny.ge/
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/

Detailed photo review of the prototype:
http://scout-thedeaddistrict.blogspot.ru/2016/05/gmm-120.html
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Photos used:
Delta.gov.ge, Scout-thedeaddistrict.blogspot.ru
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  1. avt
    avt 12 July 2016 06: 33
    +5
    Like some kind of Israeli mortar on "Colchis" put and the Georgian choir for loading invited? The sides are good - it is convenient to carry silage, hay, well, and will be unloaded slowly with a pitchfork.
    1. denvar555
      denvar555 12 July 2016 07: 57
      +1
      Yes, especially when they stick out from behind the side to load the mortar! The barrel is clearly above the side!
    2. self-propelled
      self-propelled 12 July 2016 11: 26
      +5
      Quote: avt
      Like some kind of Israeli mortar on "Colchis" put and the Georgian choir for loading invited? The sides are good - it is convenient to carry silage, hay, well, and will be unloaded slowly with a pitchfork.

      be that as it may, but the Georgians were able to combine an inexpensive artillery system with an inexpensive cargo chassis. what mortar and what chassis - the essence is not so important. the very fact of creating a cheap and easy to manufacture system (albeit with the help of third-party manufacturers) deserves respect (no matter what ...).
      are there many such systems in the world? but in Russia?
      with respect hi
      1. avt
        avt 12 July 2016 12: 33
        +2
        Quote: self-propelled
        but in Russia?

        Is this homemade? For budget money? wassat In the presence of NONA and VIENNA, and even Hosts .... yes to shoot on the spot without trial. bully
        Quote: Zaurbek
        You can laugh, but have you seen a similar Russian mortar?

        See the above.
        Quote: Zaurbek
        on a rotary pedestal and similar automation?

        laughing laughing
        As mentioned, the GMM-120 mortar is not equipped with any loading systems, because of which the crew must supply ammunition to the gun. Trained loaders should provide a rate of fire of up to 15 rounds per minute.
        1. Telakh
          Telakh 12 July 2016 14: 25
          +4
          A terrible wolf or lynx car from Kutaisi.
          1. razmik72
            razmik72 12 July 2016 16: 14
            0
            Quote: Telakh
            A terrible wolf or lynx car from Kutaisi.

            The Kolkhida car was produced in the Georgian SSR, it is no longer produced.
        2. razmik72
          razmik72 12 July 2016 16: 22
          0
          Quote: avt
          Quote: self-propelled
          but in Russia?

          Is this homemade? For budget money? wassat In the presence of NONA and VIENNA, and even Hosts .... yes to shoot on the spot without trial. bully
          Quote: Zaurbek
          You can laugh, but have you seen a similar Russian mortar?

          See the above.
          Quote: Zaurbek
          on a rotary pedestal and similar automation?

          laughing laughing
          As mentioned, the GMM-120 mortar is not equipped with any loading systems, because of which the crew must supply ammunition to the gun. Trained loaders should provide a rate of fire of up to 15 rounds per minute.

          I don’t think it’s correct to compare the armaments of Russia, which has a thousand-year-long history of statehood and the armaments of Georgia, which has just gained independence. At least the Georgians are moving, they are designing and creating. And my country, for example, is doing it. Absolutely, absolutely nothing, like me it’s not painful to write about it. I remember there was an article in the VO where it was written that the Georgians signed a contract with Saudi Arabia for the supply of the latest armored medical evacuation vehicles. The people move, they don’t sit on the pope like we It does earn money.
          1. avt
            avt 12 July 2016 16: 47
            -1
            Quote: razmik72
            I do not think it is correct to compare the armaments of Russia, which has a thousand-year continuous history of statehood and the armaments of Georgia, which has just gained independence.

            Is it like me? laughing Or maybe you’ll walk along the branch, for example
            Quote: Zaurbek
            You can laugh, but have you seen a similar Russian mortar? on a rotary pedestal and similar automation?

            Quote: Corporal
            For some reason, ours all from "Sanya" orgasm ... DB (c) Lavrov SV

            Quote: Nova
            Suddenly a serious car, although I do not like rodents. But ideally, such a mortar should be generally automatic, terribly wish this for our army. And on the tracked chassis.

            wassat Ahhhhhhhh! so this is not a comparison at all ... in the sense of it at all. wassat Well, a survey of the state of affairs in the Russian "industry" laughing
            1. razmik72
              razmik72 12 July 2016 17: 44
              0
              [quote = avt] [quote = razmik72] I do not consider it correct to compare the armaments of Russia, which has a thousand-year continuous history of statehood and the armaments of Georgia, which has just gained independence. [/ quote]
              Is it like me? laughing [center] [/ center]
              This is like you.
        3. Mother CheeseEarth
          Mother CheeseEarth 12 July 2016 20: 14
          -3
          Quote: avt
          In the presence of NONA and veins

          You feel good at all, comparing the modern Georgian mortar with by soviet samples, passing them off as Russian ?! fool
          Of course, I will not argue that the "Georgian car" is a full bottom, but you compare the same NONU with the same AMOS, look and immediately the "empire" will become smaller.
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 12 July 2016 20: 45
            +3
            Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
            You feel good at all
            comparing the modern Georgian mortar with Soviet models, ....

            It was necessary to supplement this phrase:
            "... developed since the 60s, tested in the 70s and produced since 1981, that is, with old"
            This is me about "Nona", which the presented development will lose in the vast majority of important parameters.

            Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
            comparing the modern Georgian mortar with Soviet models, passing them off as Russian ?! fool

            smile And what is Georgian there?
            The mortar itself is manufactured by Israel Military Industries.
            The car is German.
            Armor - Does Georgia make armor? (this can be told as a joke)
            Add Israeli brains here.

            In general, from the Georgian in this development, perhaps, is the work of a welder.
            1. Mother CheeseEarth
              Mother CheeseEarth 12 July 2016 21: 24
              -1
              Quote: Bad_gr
              Bad_gr

              The point is not that this Georgian development (and this is a Georgian development, despite the imported components, here it is enough to look at the "work" of the welder) will lose to HONE, but it will undoubtedly lose.
              The fact is that it is not entirely correct to compare "this" with NONA, if only because even formally, but when we did NONU, we were one state with Georgia.
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 12 July 2016 21: 31
                +2
                Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
                but when they did NONA, Georgia and I were one state.

                May be so. But as I wrote earlier, Georgia never paid taxes, that is, it, as a state, has nothing to do with the development of the military-industrial complex of the USSR.
            2. spech
              spech 13 July 2016 03: 35
              +1
              In general, from the Georgian in this development, perhaps, is the work of a welder.

              judging by the quality of the welds, yes hi
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 14 July 2016 17: 17
                0
                Metal cutting is carried out now by a laser, welding equipment is now also modern. Now try not to depend on the human factor.
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 15 July 2016 18: 07
                  0
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  Metal cutting is carried out now by a laser, welding equipment is now also modern. Now try not to depend on the human factor.

                  In Georgia, the armor was boiled with a laser and it did not depend on the human factor?
                  Ohhhhh .......
              2. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 14 July 2016 17: 17
                0
                Metal cutting is carried out now by a laser, welding equipment is now also modern. Now try not to depend on the human factor.
    3. torp
      torp 23 July 2016 22: 08
      +1
      And I liked the fluorescent lamp in the penultimate photo more! I have the same hanging in the garage))) wink
  2. corporal
    corporal 12 July 2016 06: 45
    +9
    .... officially the cooperation of Georgian designers with foreign specialists is not reported.
    Yes Yes. Reincarnation from "Keshet"? bully
    1. avt
      avt 12 July 2016 07: 03
      +7
      Quote: Corporal
      Yes Yes. Reincarnation from "Keshet"?

      Uhhhh! Listen up! Why did you say that! You did it yourself!
      1. spech
        spech 13 July 2016 03: 38
        +1
        Remembered
        Policeman -Right bought?
        Georgians-Offended, presented!
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 12 July 2016 08: 55
      +3
      Well, yes, the ears of "Israel, which does not cooperate with Georgia," did not even hide
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 12 July 2016 11: 27
        +2
        ... an exhibition dedicated to Independence Day was held ...

        The republic, which never paid taxes, lived on subsidies, celebrates INDEPENDENCE DAY. At the time of tears pouring on this day, and they have a holiday ...
      2. razmik72
        razmik72 12 July 2016 16: 25
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Well, yes, the ears of "Israel, which does not cooperate with Georgia," did not even hide

        Russia bought drones from Israel, what’s shameful if the Georgians cooperate with someone?
  3. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 July 2016 07: 16
    -3
    You can laugh, but have you seen a similar Russian mortar? on a rotary pedestal and similar automation?
    1. corporal
      corporal 12 July 2016 07: 42
      0
      Quote: Zaurbek
      but have you seen a similar Russian mortar? on a rotary pedestal and similar automation?

      For some reason, all of us from "Sanya" orgasm ... request D.B. (s) Lavrov S.V.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 12 July 2016 08: 54
        +1
        ?
        Just "no money" (c)
      2. avt
        avt 12 July 2016 12: 35
        +1
        [quote = corporal] For some reason, ours all orgasms from "Sanya" ... [quote = corporal] Really [qbote = corporal] D. B. (c) Lavrov S. V. [/ quote] Yours - yes, but our NONA was and is, again
        [quote = Lopatov] Why "a similar mortar" if there is a "Vienna"?
        She is any better [/ quote]
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 12 July 2016 16: 46
          0
          [quote = avt] [quote = corporal] For some reason, all of us from "Sanya" orgasm ... [quote = corporal] Really [qbote = corporal] D.B. (c) Lavrov S.V. [/ quote] Yours - yes, but ours NONA was and is, again
          [quote = Lopatov] Why "a similar mortar" if there is a "Vienna"?
          It is any better [/ quote] [/ quote]
          Well, of course, Shark and Vienna are better, and Paris, and London, and Rome bully .A country that has lost 25% of its former territory, a country whose independence is only 25 years old, if it creates such weapons, it causes respect.
          1. avt
            avt 12 July 2016 18: 04
            +3
            Quote: razmik72
            .A country that has lost 25% of its former territory, a country whose independence is only 25 years old, if it creates such weapons, it causes respect.

            Oh, wei! How is it possible to humiliate the great, ancient neighboring people, leading their state antiquity from time immemorial!? wassat Uhhh darago! Queen Tamar do not respect? Yes ?
            Quote: razmik72
            .A country that has lost 25% of its former territory, a country

            I didn’t find the 25% myself and didn’t give a damn about those who “found” those 25% by shooting the peacekeepers, when they carefully tried to sort out what they themselves had built up right after 1991. How and who brought Adjara to Georgia to remember the reluctance? Well, in front of comrade Saha ... ah what a man! Who brought Abashidze out? And who Edik and the famous thief in law from the Abkhazian adventure pulled out the reluctance to remember? Another stabbing in Tiflis? Well, admire the Israeli mortar with Georgian letters. laughing
            Quote: Professor
            In the absence of an economy, they are trying to do something themselves.

            Well, something like that. Sami bought laughing
          2. Parsec
            Parsec 13 July 2016 15: 09
            +1
            Quote: razmik72
            A country that has lost 25% of its former territory, a country whose independence is only 25 years old, if it creates such weapons, it is respected.


            I'm not funny when the painter is despicable
            I get dirty Madonna Raphael (s)

            What kind of territory has the country lost?
            Half a kilometer wide strip of pebbles along the sea, albeit a long one? On it that, industrial cities shook the sky with the smoke of enterprises?

            And twenty-five years ago, dinosaurs ran around Georgia?
            Implemented, oh how they introduced industry in the GSSR. Nairi, diesel locomotives, engine, aircraft factory. Nah, the Georgians thought it was a great life failure to work in a factory. Not for that the people are imprisoned.

            The tension for the production of what they can deserve respect is the sale of this on the market, the purchase of advanced weapons, training from the manufacturer, and then the intensive combat training and saving of this purchased.

            And this product is a strained bunch to pay attention. Innovation with a tablet.
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 24 July 2016 19: 58
              0
              "Nairi", dear, this is in Armenia
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 12 July 2016 08: 53
      +3
      Why "a similar mortar" if there is a "Vienna"?
      She's any better
    3. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 12 July 2016 09: 40
      +7
      but have you seen a similar Russian mortar?

      There is no such thing, there is "Nona" and its derivatives, which surpass this thing in all respects.
      Georgians have made such a "Keshet" for the poor and ordinary.
      But of course this does not negate the power of a 120mm mine, launch it even from a water pipe, the effect will be the same.
  4. Professor
    Professor 12 July 2016 07: 44
    +2
    I liked the inscriptions in the "Georgian" language. Well done in general. Practically in the absence of an economy, they try to do something themselves.
  5. denvar555
    denvar555 12 July 2016 07: 55
    0
    The workmanship (terrible welds of the mortar body, the absence of upholstery inside the body, the lamps are clearly civil, etc.) leaves much to be desired. Although this is a prototype and the series may be better.
    1. venik
      venik 12 July 2016 09: 04
      +6
      Quote: denvar555
      The workmanship (terrible welds of the mortar body, the absence of upholstery inside the body, the lamps are clearly civil, etc.) leaves much to be desired.


      As life experience shows, only wine is good at Georgians, (grapes are crushed with their feet). All that they do with their hands is worthless !!!

      PS Who remembers that the Su-25 was going to Georgia I can answer - ONLY GATHERED from components and components received from other republics! (and even then military representatives hung over the soul)
      1. avt
        avt 12 July 2016 14: 55
        +3
        Quote: venik
        Who will remember that the Su-25 was going to Georgia I can answer

        When the first one was assembled, the director saw what they had done with the wing — he ran away from the factory and Samoilovich practically putty with epoxy - he leveled it. bully
      2. parkello
        parkello 3 August 2016 20: 05
        +1
        I then lived and studied in Tbilisi. at the 31st plant I went through practice. the factory was well equipped, but there weren’t enough hands. in the sense of good, working hands, not raking ones ... there were three wagons and another trolley in the back. but by and large, the plant could not cope due to a lack of specialists. there were no welders for aluminum and titanium. They brought from Russia and Ukraine, there were no good turners either. here is the only plant that worked well. it was the Didube metro plant near Kirov (RMZ) where tanks were repaired. and TEVZ which produced cars still worked in good faith. and the 31st plant, always suffered from a shortage of specialists. well, in short ... Georgians are not for metal work. I have every right to say this, because I lived there and I know Georgians very well. they are good doctors, lawyers, artists, cook directors. they are well done in many ways, but working with metal is not their specialty. while I lived there, everything was decomposed by nationality. the Greeks were masons, plasterers, tilers (everything related to construction). it was a purely Greek industry. Armenians worked as shoemakers, jewelers, watchmakers. photographers ... Kurds swept the streets or worked in the police, and behind the machines stood Russians and Ukrainians. here all the Russians left. Ukrainians and there is nobody to stand behind the machines and produce.
    2. venik
      venik 12 July 2016 09: 04
      0
      Quote: denvar555
      The workmanship (terrible welds of the mortar body, the absence of upholstery inside the body, the lamps are clearly civil, etc.) leaves much to be desired.


      As life experience shows, only wine is good at Georgians, (grapes are crushed with their feet). All that they do with their hands is worthless !!!

      PS Who remembers that the Su-25 was going to Georgia I can answer - ONLY GATHERED from components and components received from other republics! (and even then military representatives hung over the soul)
  6. APASUS
    APASUS 12 July 2016 08: 06
    +3
    This is a pilot production, this is not a shaft of orders, but where did the welders go? If it is impossible to find a normal weld in such industries, then what is required for mass production.
    1. Sars
      Sars 12 July 2016 10: 07
      0
      Yes, this mortar cooked Katso - the best welder in Georgia.
  7. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 July 2016 10: 44
    0
    This mortar, in contrast to the "Sani", has the best recoil devices, which makes it possible to put it on wheeled vehicles and circular rotation and a calculator. And so the mortar is not a rocket .... the principle is one.
  8. Nova
    Nova 12 July 2016 11: 27
    -3
    Suddenly a serious car, although I do not like rodents. But ideally, such a mortar should be generally automatic, terribly wish this for our army. And on the tracked chassis.
    1. avt
      avt 12 July 2016 15: 01
      +4
      Quote: Nova
      Unexpectedly serious car

      fool
      Quote: Nova
      I terribly wish this for our army. And on the tracked chassis.

      Well, when, before you poke a button on a clave, the equipment that is in service with the RF Ministry of Defense will be taught ????? Stupidly laziness here with
      Quote: Zaurbek
      This mortar, unlike the "Sani", has the best recoil devices, which allows it to be installed on wheeled vehicles and circular rotation and calculator

      To score in the search engine NONA, VIENNA, Host ?? And here, "Sani" in general ..... like quite .... as a class ???? A priori .... in nature. Well, at least read the comments not only your own!
      Quote: Spade
      Why "a similar mortar" if there is a "Vienna"?
      She's any better

      Already aloof graduates and heroes of the World Of Fights tanks enthusiastic salivation about the picture you like.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 12 July 2016 18: 04
        +1
        You probably play tanks. It's about price and quality. So, similar systems are similar in fire impact and automation, except for the automatic loader to the Vienna gun, they are inferior in range (short barrel). But not comparable in price!
        1. avt
          avt 12 July 2016 18: 27
          +4
          Quote: Zaurbek
          . It's about price and quality

          Well, playing us
          Quote: Zaurbek
          You probably play tanks.

          enlighten - tsifirki cost of your newly beloved pepelats and VIENNA lay out, well, shame publicly. At the same time
          Quote: Zaurbek
          and circular rotation and calculator.

          check it out for us the poor man in comparison with VIENNA, compare the performance characteristics, and not so embarrassedly about "giving up in the distance" by means of a short barrel ", otherwise what is all in the" sleigh "to bring down something that was not CLOSE and no one is sane in sound mind and solid memory with the Israeli unit does not put. Here we respect it attentively and ..... we will be ashamed of our own illiteracy bully
    2. venik
      venik 13 July 2016 08: 24
      0
      "Vasilek" has already been delivered in Kazakhstan on the BMP-1 chassis
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 13 July 2016 13: 27
        +1
        Quote: venik
        "Vasilek" has already been delivered in Kazakhstan on the BMP-1 chassis

        Ours put it on the BMP chassis in Afghanistan.
        1. venik
          venik 14 July 2016 15: 34
          0
          Quote: Bad_gr
          Ours put it on the BMP chassis in Afghanistan


          As far as I know, in Afghanistan, "Cornflowers" were attached to the "roof" of the MTLB (and along with the wheels) and the ammunition was carried there in the troop compartment.
          About BMP - did not hear anything !!!
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 15 July 2016 18: 16
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            Quote: venik
            Quote: Bad_gr
            Ours put it on the BMP chassis in Afghanistan

            As far as I know, in Afghanistan, "Cornflowers" were attached to the "roof" of the MTLB (and along with the wheels) and the ammunition was carried there in the troop compartment.
            About BMP - did not hear anything !!!

            I will not argue. I was there 1983-1985 - the nuances in my memory zapertilsya sad
            Well remembered are the tires from the 66th bolted to the BRDM and BTR-70 towers as additional armor.
            And Vasilyok: nearby, when they shot him, he was, but only when shooting from the ground. I have never seen how he shoots with equipment. By the way, I didn’t see that he would shoot in bursts (according to the passport he can), only a single fire.
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 16 December 2016 05: 30
      +2
      Quote: Nova
      A history teacher by education, in the past 9 years of professional KVN, work as a screenwriter on TV and a lot more.

      If you write scripts the same way, then I’ll take my box to the trash, comrade teacher by education. Professional KVN? And what kind of team? Not Georgian? laughing Only Ernst's laugh. We’ve gotten hotter here. You’d better look at the welds. My boss would have killed me for those, even though I’m not welded. crying
      Quote: Zaurbek
      It's about price and quality

      In, one more. Where did you find the quality there? am
  9. Ale.xey
    Ale.xey 12 July 2016 15: 39
    +2
    I'm about welding too. ... Do not set off!
    1. marshes
      marshes 12 July 2016 16: 43
      +3
      Quote: Ale.xey
      I'm about welding too. ... Do not set off!

      It seems like they were cooking with Chinese electrodes, a casing, but before painting the seam they forgot to grind it and knock it off the dross. smile They were in a hurry. It does not look like this is a working layout, they were welded vertically by the influx of metal.
  10. maai
    maai 12 July 2016 18: 25
    +2
    Mdya ... it would be something to advertise. Daish won the child prodigy from the pipes as well.
    And a 12-centimeter pipe can be welded to the body and in the barn it is possible. Arabs do that.

    But we do not need this in Russia. Even comparing is stupid. The shame.
    Level! Uroooveeeen !!! Friends. What and what are you comparing with !?

    PS A country that went "on a visit" with a return visit to all uninvited guests, in which, for a start, Tulips and Hyacinths with "daisies" and "mint" have long since grown, and other useful "vegetation" is at an incomparably higher level , and in a fight of eagles, any bugs can only be suppressed.

    PS2 What kind of fashion went for the bumper mound and spoilers !? All that is attached to military equipment should have a functional purpose, and not design.
    I saw here the other day a muzzle triangular in cross section. It’s funny. Under such covers obsolete trunks or design flaws are hidden. And this square jerboa with all its appearance is irrational. Only civilians are fighting like that! Well, yes this is a well-known fact.
  11. faiver
    faiver 12 July 2016 19: 08
    +2
    No, I understand everything about mobility, but why the hell is it armored? that he will go on the attack? why such difficulties?
  12. Bigfoot_Sev
    Bigfoot_Sev 12 July 2016 20: 23
    0
    it's just some kind of demo sample, not a working machine. we also like to present this with pomp - hell knows what and why, the main thing is that the species was predatory. there was such an armored car "hummock". horror merciless. but most importantly green and angular. and there you see money will be given. here is the same approach.

    those who write about "uuuu, what a serious car" should look at the Syrian crafts. there the ships of the desert and the stars of death are already making. and how much iron! immediately obvious - a serious car.
    and about the mortar, with a rotary bollard and digital control very much. how it's done. we take a tablet, download the application ... and we already have a ballistic computer that means. we apply to the mortar and ... I'm not kidding. everyone can find the picture "iPad mortar". in principle, high technology, yes.
  13. serverny
    serverny 13 July 2016 02: 26
    +1
    Quote: Zaurbek
    and similar automation

    And where is the automation?
    The trained patented blacks must manually feed the ammunition.
  14. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 13 July 2016 13: 24
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    I meant automation - preparation of data for shooting, topographic location. For the fastidious, the cost of the BMP-3 (this is the base for the "Vienna") is on average $ 2,4 million. I think that Vienna is worth the same money. The cost of a 3-axle truck with reservation is $ 200-300000 and a mortar system no more. So you get a self-propelled mortar with a guidance system, easy booking and the ability to quickly change position. Plus the 360-degree shelling, it is also important to quickly transfer the fire.
    Plus the high resource of the truck as a transport system.
    1. Parsec
      Parsec 13 July 2016 14: 42
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      So you get a self-propelled mortar with a guidance system, easy booking and the ability to quickly change position


      Let them at this MANe try to get into the gully in the fall, and then quickly change their position. For a change on a hillside, degrees are under 15 ... 20. There are no supports, a great achievement, how to level? Where will they tumble when trying to carry fire on this slope? In the conditions of even a partially destroyed city, a base of this length will force the driver to reverse half the time.

      The platform needs to turn off the suspension (there are no supports), and even with the suspension turned off, there remain elastic elements - wheels. This means that at a certain rate of fire, rocking will begin - this is a 120 mm mortar, with large charges there is a serious return - and all their guidance automation can be forgotten.

      Well, the recoil momentum does not disappear. This platform will not last long.

      Total - a club of young technicians for special children.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 14 July 2016 16: 30
        0
        You, you think that you are the most ingenious engineer .... A company, when it designs something, hires engineers to work. They do, a project, a prototype, experience .... modify and then it goes into a series. Moreover, it is easier for Georgians, they bought ready-made certified samples on the arms market.

        Are you supports or not supports ... A mortar is not a nuclear reactor, if there are normal engineers in the country, they will make a mortar. There is no need to invent anything - I bought it from a competitor, took it apart and made a copy. The question is in the resource.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 14 July 2016 16: 30
        -1
        You, you think that you are the most ingenious engineer .... A company, when it designs something, hires engineers to work. They do, a project, a prototype, experience .... modify and then it goes into a series. Moreover, it is easier for Georgians, they bought ready-made certified samples on the arms market.

        Are you supports or not supports ... A mortar is not a nuclear reactor, if there are normal engineers in the country, they will make a mortar. There is no need to invent anything - I bought it from a competitor, took it apart and made a copy. The question is in the resource.
  15. Raven
    Raven 13 July 2016 14: 26
    +2
    God and again, with foam at the mouth, they are trying to prove what a great technological miracle a small but proud country did! timid Georgians took an autogen, a welding machine, a mortar truck and some electronics and sheet metal ... - another shushpanzer, about the same efficiency and the same class as they roam the roads and fields of Syria and a couple of years ago in a psychiatry reserve on the outskirts of Europe. ..

    main differences:
    during assembly, the plant / workshop / workshop / hangar was not bombed - therefore, it was welded exactly, relatively.
    breaks for chopping off heads and prayer did not - so they managed to color.
    since the Zionists, against Orthodox Georgia, have nothing, they presented a mortar ... and even a few mines ...
    since georgia tse europe - in the store we bought a few wires, circuits, a screen and toggle switches with buttons, inserted an ipad inside and got a "modern computerized system".

    the classic "weapon of the poor", and since the poor still eat some kind of state, with a semblance of industry, it does not look like a parody of Mad Max, but it seems like it's even straightforward ... fellow
  16. Ronino
    Ronino 13 July 2016 14: 37
    0
    Apparently, the future belongs to self-propelled mortars (quickly spoiled - quickly washed off). And if there is a counter-battery station, and there will be automatic input of target coordinates, then the enemy will be sad.
    Set off to Georgians for trying.
  17. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 July 2016 16: 24
    +1
    Firstly, it’s not always necessary to climb into a ravine, and secondly, it may not be MAN but an armored personnel carrier. The question is the weight of the structure, its capabilities. No one takes their laurels from Nona and Vienna .. It's just a more budget modification for colonial wars and limited conflicts
  18. parkello
    parkello 3 August 2016 20: 17
    0
    so it seems like the Airborne Forces asked the Wolf machines for this. to install mortars and barreled artillery on wheels. and they really need such systems. The wolf is quite suitable for a mortar and even for a 120 mm cannon. can do it easily. only for some reason "there is no money" winked I just remember how we climbed Olympus with mortars ... and I so wanted to trample our captain into the stones to the ears. we were lucky, we secretly agreed with one peasant that he brought us our mules for 40.000 drachmas, and we lifted both mortars and boxes with mines.
  19. Yurmix
    Yurmix 25 September 2016 09: 21
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    A crew of six should manage all the systems of the new self-propelled mortar.
    Madhouse, on one trunk six Georgians wassat . The armor of the dog is round-round, and there is no roof as such, it jerked nearby and was buried with stones who did not have time to shed. laughing
  20. Appraiser
    Appraiser 1 October 2016 09: 51
    0
    Only time will tell how much this object meets expectations. From an economic point of view, relatively cheap and cheerful ..... soldier
  21. tracer
    tracer 16 December 2016 04: 15
    0
    Another Shushpanzer created. Georgians have an innate handshake (I do not want to offend anyone), the truth is not to offend. Army observations ... you look at the welds look superficial. This mortar fell apart just because the seams burst. One can only speculate about the accuracy of the design calculation ... it is approximate at the level of the Ukrovermacht.