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"Mowgli" USA and the USSR: What kind of children brings ideology through cartoons

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"Mowgli" USA and the USSR: What kind of children brings ideology through cartoons



Recently I watched the Soviet cartoon "Mowgli" - to be honest, it’s straight. He drew attention to a number of important points that can be called "programming of values." It became interesting, and found in the network the American equivalent of "Mowgli". It's amazing how different these pictures are! And how much different people they bring up!

Characters

In the Soviet version (SV), all the characters are charismatic and have their own charisma, unique dynamics, way, while in the American version (AV) all the characters are the same - they move the same, they say the same, they are all jesters.
Due to this, the idea of ​​realizing its own strengths is well traced in the NE.

SV is generally a very deep and emotionally strong cartoon. Here lucidly it is said about friendship, mutual assistance, and everyone in the team plays on its strong side: Kaa does not get involved in a fight, but he is wise and offers strategic solutions (to find a blade, to defeat red dogs); Bagheera is just an ideal of femininity, I would even add - alpha women: she is strong and dangerous and at the same time graceful and gentle, playful and spontaneous, but at the same time savvy and wise (it was she who “settled” the topic with saving Mowgli by giving a mob of a bull in a pack meeting); Balu is a great teacher; Akella is a wise and fair leader; A wolf mother is ready to give her life for a foster child; Sherkhan is strong, fierce and cunning, he does not play by the rules and as a result receives what he deserves for it; The jackal is full of fear and, perhaps, the most disgusting character in the cartoon. All characters are mature, charismatic and clearly see their place in the jungle.

In AV, there is simply no such thing. All characters are equally silly and “funny”. Despite the different plastics, everyone has the same grimaces and emotions. The concept of his path is turned upside down - the monkey wants to become a man, the elephants go about the system, and Mowgli himself can not decide in any way what he should be, whom to imitate. And Bagheera, in general, man!

Atmosphere and concept

In SV, of course, everything is not so colorful ... and harmonious. Severe Soviet realism is perhaps a minus. But this is symbolic in its own way, for it makes it easier to mentally distract and see the essence of the cartoon:

Look for your strengths and find your place in society. The power of friendship, team, the famous “we are with you of the same blood”, cooperation in solving the problem.

Together you can achieve much more than alone. The team is important and useful. Again, respect for individuality. Everyone does what he does best.

Good ultimately triumphs over evil. The cartoon teaches to be honest and strong and play on the light side. For darkness will be defeated necessarily. Often, the characters went to their deaths and were ready to fight to the end for being dear to them, and fate rewarded them for their bravery - the situation was solved either peacefully (as at the council) or in their favor (as at the end of the cartoon).

Bravery and honor are rewarded. Disgrace, cunning and cowardice - punished.

Everyone works: porcupines roll pumpkins, wolves hunt and learn (!), The bear teaches, the leader directs and so on. Conclusion: work - and you will get the result.
In the American cartoon, everyone “lupas” and “steb” each other, and this is like “fun”: the general concept (idea) of a cartoon is just entertaining. The atmosphere of contention, there is no consensus, egoism, everyone acts in his own interests. Idea: sing, dance, “die your needs” - and everything will be fine. At first glance, it is also a good message, a positive one, but this very much looks like agitation for entertainment, not creative work.

The theme of friendship is also in AB. However, there each character wants to get something from Mowgli or impose his point of view. The battle with the tiger at the end is also fun and simple. And Mowgli behaves there very peculiar, but more on that later.

And now the most important thing: the character and his relationship

In the NE Mowgli develops over several series. He more and more reveals his strengths, more and more he understands who he is. He becomes stronger, smarter, faster. He becomes the leader of the pack, and defeats the invasion of enemies, and gets a dagger, and he defeats the tiger with his bare hands.
First, he learns, as befits a child, but soon becomes independent, he makes decisions, he is active, enterprising and savvy. He behaves bravely and holds on with dignity.

In AV Mowgli - the consumer. He is moody and lonely. He cannot find his place in life. Either trying to be a bear, or an elephant, or a neck. The moral seems to be obvious - be a man, who you should be, however, the general emotional background creates precisely the sensation of search and even despair, fueling conflict. And how is it solved? In the end, Mowgli does not make the decision to go to the people himself, but the “sexy girl” is “being led” for not-for-years ...

The whole cartoon is directed, taken care of, controlled by him: the feeling that Mowgli’s choice is who to join, who to trust himself with. Mowgli himself doesn’t decide anything, always decides for him from the very beginning to the very end. Those. set the image of the slave consumer, not an independent person.

In SV Mowgli is sincerely friendly with the characters, helps them, and together they solve some problems. If they are fooling around, they are somehow very kind. All positive characters get along and work in a team, set specific goals and achieve them.

In AV, characters quarrel among themselves, divide Mowgli as if he has no choice (and the truth is simply not there), and everyone wants to satisfy his ego through him. Characters are cowardly, like Mowgli himself. And all the characters are neurotic, hysterical and excessively emotional - they have no essence, a rod, they often change their decisions, inconsistent, in a word rather chaotic and lost.

Mawli himself in the NE respects his brothers, protects them, listens to their wisdom, they support each other and act together.

In AV Mowgli is always lonely, pushes away other characters; the conflict is based on the fact that no one can be trusted.

Final scene

In SV Mowgli grew and turned from a funny full energy boy frog into a handsome, handsome man, decent, strong, experienced. The apogee of his maturity becomes his epic and rather cruel victory over Sher Khan. Mowgli and his brothers come up with a plan and embody it, fight one-on-one with Sher Khan, and even losing a blade in battle, he still triumphs with his bare hands. The final victory, as evidenced by the skin on the stone. Then Mowgli falls in love and realizes that he cannot live forever in the jungle. Then he CAM makes a decision to leave the pack, leave “his high post” for the sake of a new life. The pack says goodbye to him and accepts his choice, finally saying that if something is needed, we are always with you.

Noteworthy is the scene of Mowgli with the girl. First, they are already “adults”. The girl, seeing the gorgeous Mowgli, drops the pitcher and runs off, turning around again and again. She is afraid of him and shows interest. Mowgli himself also runs away and cries on Balu’s chest because a sense of love awakens in him, and he realizes that it’s time to go to the people.

Those. having achieved the maximum in the jungle, the leader of the pack, the winner of the main very cunning enemy, is sent for the sake of love for new heights. Sure, and there he will succeed. Such here история progress and bold advance. The last frame - an adult, strong and strong-willed Mowgli says goodbye to his brothers against the backdrop of the village, moving to a new life.

Now let's see what happens in AB:

Mowgli was a thin boy, and he remained - he did not grow at all, did not evolve in any way. He is a child, just a child - capricious, confused, incredulous and lonely. He is looking for someone else to join - after all, all the “past friends” were deceiving him ...

Then he meets the vultures, and Sher Khan finds HIM. New friends cowardly run away, but Mowgli is not lost and as if not afraid of a fight. Sherkhan as a typical American villain does not immediately gobble up the hero, but decides to talk and play with him. The typical mistake of the villain.

At this point, Balu appears and throws himself into a fight, Mowgli runs away, but then he finds a stick and hits the tiger while he is immobilized, however, when the tiger is released, Mowgli runs away with a cry of “help”. Then RANDOMLY the lightning strikes a tree while Sherkhan distracts the vultures, Mowgli ties a stick to his tail, and Sher Khan cowardly runs away ...

Balu seems to be dying: a weeping scene where a bear listens to Bagheera’s posthumous speech and gets a face from him (!) When everyone finds out that Balu is alive. Then they go to the jungle. But Mowgli saw the girl and decided to consider her. Balu remarks: “Do not go there - all problems are from them” (attitudes towards the other sex). However, Mowgli is not being childish, the girl is hypnotizing with his beautiful eyes, and Mowgli as a result HOW IN TRANSE follows her. The girl drops the pitcher to let Mowgli carry him, and again he is being led and carried. Balu shouts: “Go ahead, go to the jungle!”, But Mowgli shrugs his shoulders and walks, stupefied, after the girl.

Characters sing a song, how cool to live in the jungle - the end.

Just a couple of comments.

In the CB, the basic plans are faces, and there is absolutely no “soft point” in the frame. While in AV it is this part of the body that plays an important role, constantly appearing in the foreground. In the CB, I did not notice frankly stupid characters. In AB - all characters are stupid. Also noteworthy are scenes with elephants - one is similar in behavior to a zombie and constantly eats; in another scene - “back view”, in the third - a hysterical wife yells at the arrogant husband.

Total

The Soviet cartoon brings up a strong, courageous, brave, sharp-witted independent person who sets goals and achieves them. Uses the power of the team. It takes into account the strengths of allies and enemies, and acts boldly and effectively. The model of relationships is a strong, confident male leader capable of deep passionate feelings. The boy’s role is to become a man.

American cartoon brings up a slave. A capricious suspicious consumer, prone to neurosis and loneliness, distrustful and deceived. Which is always led by someone. Who does not know his strengths, does not make plans, does not make decisions. They always decide for him, they lead him. In the end, it turns out that he is not the main character at all, but the main characters are a light-hearted bear and Bagheera the muzhik who rule the ball in the jungle.
And by the way, with regards to humor. Humor allows you to not perceive information is critical and expand the scope of what is permitted: this is a joke, this is normal. Therefore, to give installations and images very well precisely through humor.

When a child is watching a cartoon, he still has very little of his experience to decide what is normal and what is not. When he sees that in the cartoon the characters behave in some way, and no one condemns them - the child accepts this pattern of behavior as the norm. And he models in his life what he sees. A child watching a Soviet cartoon will think that courage and honor are normal, setting goals and achieving them is normal, fighting and winning is normal. To be the creator and author of your destiny is normal.

A child watching an American cartoon will think that when you are controlled, this is normal, betrayal and loneliness are normal, neurotic and capriciousness is normal. Being a consumer is normal.

And now think that you and your children (yours, nephews, brothers and sisters) are watching. What images do they see? What behaviors for them will become normal? What will they embody in their lives? And what do you embody yourself?

This is education, this is education. Today, they watch Disney cartoons, tomorrow they listen to pop music, and the day after tomorrow, their ideals and values ​​acquire a selfish and consumer color characteristic of Western culture. Everything is more serious than it seems. Ignoring the problem, we do not leave it, but simply transfer power to those who do not refuse it, that's all. Through information - movies, cartoons, music, programs, games, and so on - imposing patterns of behavior desired by someone. This especially affects children. So beware. Create a bright, strong, brave, honest. Filter information flows for yourself and, above all, for your children.
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  1. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 12 July 2016 21: 38 New
    73
    It's simple: in ours - handsome! A potential opponent has an imbecile half-fool. All the girls in my class on the diaries of "our" Mowgli was pictured ...! In the fifth to sixth grade, I envied him ... am Then, pumped up, hit the sport, got a tan and, away we go .... repeat
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 12 July 2016 21: 55 New
      89
      In the USSR, cartoons carried an educational function, and in the USA - stupidly entertaining, with elements of cunning and meanness. We have a concern for the younger generation, they have a box office.
      As there is in Russian folk tales - a fairy tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it, a lesson for good fellows. But are there any American folk tales in general? And what's the lesson?
      1. Қarabas
        Қarabas 12 July 2016 22: 28 New
        50
        Quote: Stock Officer
        In the USSR, cartoons carried an educational function, and in the USA - stupidly entertaining, with elements of cunning and meanness. We have a concern for the younger generation, they have a box office.
        As there is in Russian folk tales - a fairy tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it, a lesson for good fellows. But are there any American folk tales in general? And what's the lesson?


        I just recently re-read a book of American fairy tales. laughing I will tell you this way: All or almost all the tales about how to deceive another, how to get your own by deceit and cunning ..)) It is surprisingly simple! request
        "Tales of Uncle Remus"
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 12 July 2016 23: 28 New
          46
          Quote: karabas
          I just recently re-read a book of American fairy tales.

          ... for Children or Adults? ... in the USSR Cartoons were over-age ... one of which is "Hedgehog in the Fog" ... hi
          1. Қarabas
            Қarabas 12 July 2016 23: 42 New
            +6
            Inok10, for children like) I wrote below "Tales of Uncle Remus." They are only for children, the editorial board for adults seems not)
          2. Gunxnumx
            Gunxnumx 13 July 2016 07: 25 New
            +3
            There was also a strong cartoon "Dandelion". About true and false values.
          3. ICT
            ICT 13 July 2016 07: 31 New
            +9
            Quote: Inok10
            ... in the USSR Cartoons were over-age ...




            they’ll not remove anything like that now


            1. tiaman.76
              tiaman.76 13 July 2016 18: 50 New
              +5
              This is already a classic.
              The film is recognized as “the best animated film of all time” according to the results of an international survey conducted by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts together with ASIFA-Hollywood, Los Angeles (USA), 1984, even there they appreciated it .. yes
            2. bastard
              bastard 15 July 2016 19: 59 New
              0
              Quote: TIT
              they’ll not remove anything like that now

              I love this cartoon, the Americans certainly don’t understand:
        2. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 13 July 2016 06: 24 New
          13
          Қarabas
          I just recently re-read a book of American fairy tales laughing. I will tell you this: All or almost all of the tales about how to deceive another, how to get your own by deceit and cunning ..)) It's amazingly simple! request
          "Tales of Uncle Remus"


          I didn’t read “Tales of Uncle Rimus,” but if you take for example Multfilm King of the Beasts (Simba) then we see that the characters are positive and negative are clearly expressed. the protagonist begins his journey as a kid and then turns into a carefree young man. which for all Akuna Matata. at the end, our hero grows up mentally and physically, takes revenge on the villain who killed his father and returns justice to the savannah and also finds a mate, female.

          It seems quite worthy and instructive plot.

          I try to carefully choose cartoons which by the way then with pleasure I watch with my 5 year old son. among them are both Soviet and American.
          1. Қarabas
            Қarabas 13 July 2016 07: 49 New
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            Quote: Maki Avellevich
            I try to carefully choose cartoons which by the way then with pleasure I watch with my 5 year old son. among them are both Soviet and American.


            The right approach, I think) And Soviet, and American, and European, and Japanese, and so on - among all there are wonderful cartoons. From the US, take at least the Disney cartoon "Peter and the Wolf" based on the symphonic tale by Sergei Prokofiev of the same name, which can arouse a child's interest in music. Or the good Japanese cartoons by Hayao Miyazaki, or the wonderful Soviet “Winnie the Pooh”, “Treasure Island”, “About Sidorova Vova”, etc., or the Czech cartoon about the little sorceress, 1986. You can’t limit yourself
            1. Road runer
              Road runer 13 July 2016 10: 13 New
              +1
              American “Mowgli” is a special case and probably not the most successful. In the USA, many wonderful cartoons were shot, I’ll name a few: “Bambi”, “The Lion King”, “Shrek”, “Dream Keepers”, “Ice Age-1”, “Zeropolis”. In all these cartoons you will find the education of a strong, courageous, brave, savvy and independent person who sets goals and achieves them, there is friendship and self-sacrifice and responsibility. They are made simply and clearly and at the same time the most important thing is reported. Our "Mowgli" is a wonderful cartoon, one of my favorites, but few have been done. Now they don’t do them at all, “Three Heroes” I don’t think - the same crap as the American “Mowgli”. Therefore, comparing one cartoon is incorrect, take a look wider ...
              1. Air defense SSH
                Air defense SSH 13 July 2016 10: 31 New
                +4
                I agree, it is impossible to draw conclusions on the basis of one example, and if the article is devoted to only two animated films, then I think the author was very hooked.
                For example, "Wait a minute," we were forbidden to show children, but about the evil girl Masha, which all pets are afraid of, please ....
              2. uncle forest
                uncle forest 13 July 2016 19: 55 New
                +2
                I agree with the author. There are many points that we, if not psychologists, can not see. Regarding the "Shrek", google, there are opinions of our psychologists about the harmfulness of this cartoon. And in general, American.
              3. CAM
                CAM 14 July 2016 14: 12 New
                +5
                shrek and the ice age are vulgar, it is in these cartoons of the so-called humor instills negative behavior. review the shrek, but more closely, the behavior of the main characters and the article re-read. and indeed, Hollywood recently with his moronic humor, covering up stupidity and baseness, got it.
                1. Road runer
                  Road runer 14 July 2016 16: 40 New
                  +1
                  And where is the vulgarity, let me ask you? Yes, there are jokes, perhaps ambiguous, but not at all vulgar. I think the cartoon should be joking, it carries not only an instructive function, but also an entertaining one, and there is nothing wrong with that if moments are inserted into the main plot line that allow you to relax. And in shrek and in the ice age, the main characters show positive qualities in the end, they defeat the bad, become good themselves, make friends, love and not at all through deception, but thanks to just those qualities that are appreciated in a person: friendship, resourcefulness, courage , responsibility and other things. And do not indiscriminately criticize the whole of Western culture, not everything is bad there.
                  1. RomanS
                    RomanS 15 July 2016 15: 18 New
                    +3
                    Shrek has no toll? Transvestite in a cartoon for children is this normal? Farting is probably the same, and the donkey and the dragon mate without problems! These are all normality settings filed in a game form. Do we want this kind of normality for our children?
              4. Cresta999
                Cresta999 15 July 2016 11: 32 New
                +2
                I do not agree with you categorically! Modern cartoons produced by the Mill studio are very good in every way. Including in terms of education. The last of them (of which I know) is the "Fortress". Great cartoon about the Polish invasion. Beautiful and patriotic. But not cash, because, as we now have in high esteem, as the author of the article writes.
              5. Petr7
                Petr7 15 July 2016 17: 38 New
                +2
                Chago ?! Yes, the same "Tom and Jerry", all this is enough, although there are you listed. The main thing in American films and cartoons is INDIVIDUALISM - GG should be one, and he should not have ANY "wrong" connections, the only film where the Brotherhood preaches is the "Police Academy"! But here the problem is the producer (and in the USA he is more important than the director), who shot all the series of the film, was RUSSIAN ...
            2. Petr7
              Petr7 15 July 2016 17: 30 New
              +1
              I have long said. "After 1980, there was no normal movie, and if it did, it was just as confirmation of this thesis." (from)
              I don’t know about cartoons
          2. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 13 July 2016 08: 29 New
            0
            Quote: Maki Avellevich
            but if we take for example the Multfilm King of the Beasts (Simba) then we see that the heroes are positive and negative are clearly expressed. the protagonist begins his journey as a kid and then turns into a carefree young man. which for all Akuna Matata. in the end, our hero grows up mentally and physically, takes revenge on the villain who killed his father and returns justice to the savannah and also finds a mate, a female.

            It seems quite worthy and instructive plot.

            That's just where the Main Characters are Pubma and Simon, it was about them, in the future, they shot the series ...
        3. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 13 July 2016 08: 27 New
          +5
          Quote: karabas
          Tales of Uncle Remus

          I have not re-read it since childhood, but I remember this muddy Brother-Rabbit)))
          1. Қarabas
            Қarabas 13 July 2016 08: 42 New
            0
            Quote: AllXVahhaB
            muddy Brother-Rabbit)))

            That's for sure)))
        4. CONTROL
          CONTROL 13 July 2016 08: 45 New
          +8
          Quote: karabas
          I just recently re-read a book of American fairy tales. laughing I will tell you this way: All or almost all the tales about how to deceive another, how to get your own by deceit and cunning ..)) It is surprisingly simple! request
          "Tales of Uncle Remus"

          ... you read it a little!
          The Adventures of Homer Price (Robert Maklossky), for example ...
          America has become what it has been - from its very foundation!
          The Spaniards and the Portuguese, for example, having met the Indians, began to decide the question - are these people or not? Tip catholic priests gave a definite solution: yes, people! (Which in the future did not stop the Spaniards and the Portuguese from robbing them in vain ...)
          Council english protestant priests decided: no, the Indians are not people! a kind of "God's creatures" ... Here they are preyed like game - along with bison, wolves and foxes ... Only instead of the skin - scalp and ears ... And still so! ...
          1. Sorokin
            Sorokin 14 July 2016 19: 28 New
            +1
            Oh to the root right to the target. And the advertisements are now just scamming your neighbor and around are not potential scalp people.
          2. your1970
            your1970 14 July 2016 19: 48 New
            0
            Commodity nomenclature of foreign economic activity (TNVED) - the bible of customs officers and traders

            9503 00 810 0 - 9503 00 990 0
            These subheadings include humanoid creaturesfor example, characters in a movie, fairy tale or book, Indians, astronauts or soldiers without moving parts and without removable clothing, installed on a base, platform or similar base, which does not allow changing their location without external influences.
            and there is
            9503 00 210 0– dolls depicting only people, their parts and accessories

            and this forms the old customs hochma — that “Indians, astronauts, and soldiers are not people,” just like “chocolate candies” are different from “chocolate candies”

            Comes from GATT and other trade items
            ZY Duty on depicting people -7,5%, on depicting non-humans -10% (due to high demand)
        5. Mikhail Matyugin
          Mikhail Matyugin 13 July 2016 16: 08 New
          0
          Quote: karabas
          a book of American fairy tales laughing I will tell you this: All or almost all of the tales about how to deceive another, how to get your own by deceit and cunning ..)) It is amazingly simple! request
          "Tales of Uncle Remus"

          So this, incidentally, is the tale of American blacks - if that. Not white. The mentality is different.
        6. Sorokin
          Sorokin 14 July 2016 19: 22 New
          +1
          In my opinion, there are no American fairy tales in principle. Anglo-Naglosaxonian seem to be present. About the Mexican-American did not hear. Name at least one character. Although there was some kind of turkey.
        7. bastard
          bastard 15 July 2016 19: 55 New
          0
          Quote: karabas
          I just recently re-read a book of American fairy tales.

          What, fairy tales have appeared ?! Are they moving away from comics? Progress!
          It’s interesting here, the Americans watched “Frost” (“Jack Frost” in the English version):
          http://fishki.net/1212228-otzyvy-amerikancev-na-izvestnuju-sovetskuju-skazku-mor
          ozko.html

          Here, too, cool and not so harsh:
          https://www.babyblog.ru/community/post/books/1699815
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC 12 July 2016 23: 38 New
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        Quote: Stock Officer
        In the USSR, cartoons carried an educational function, and in the USA - stupidly entertaining, with elements of cunning and meanness.

        That's all the author says correctly, but he misses one thing, the main IMAGE for children is parents, and if parents have time for children, then no animated cartoons will reformat it.
      3. midivan
        midivan 13 July 2016 00: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: Stock Officer
        But are there any American folk tales in general? And what's the lesson?

        I didn’t read American fairy tales, I didn’t happen like that, but I know a couple of cartoons, Cars and Airplanes, I don’t even know how children relate to them, but I really like repeat
      4. evgenii67
        evgenii67 13 July 2016 07: 26 New
        11
        Quote: Stock Officer
        In the USSR, cartoons carried an educational function, and in the USA - stupidly entertaining.

        but there were cartoons in the USSR that weren’t just showing children, but adults too. the psychedelic is still that. Here is an example about the GOOD MAGIC EHE
        1. cheap trick
          cheap trick 13 July 2016 07: 55 New
          +1
          and the wizard was brought down by ss20-satan 100% winked
        2. uncle forest
          uncle forest 13 July 2016 20: 07 New
          +3
          a good cartoon, teaches the right thing, and allows you to expand your consciousness without any additional substances :), so I don’t agree about the psychedelic ... it’s most likely to Western musicians :)
      5. ava09
        ava09 13 July 2016 07: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: Stock Officer
        In the USSR, cartoons carried an educational function, and in the USA - stupidly entertaining, with elements of cunning and meanness. We have a concern for the younger generation, they have a box office.

        You are mistaken, the American cartoon has a destructive, personality-destroying function, this is the main motive of the creators. In the USSR they brought up Man, in the USA they did not allow him to take place. Even then, the goals of the Globalizers were clearly visible. And the box office did not depend on the true goals of a particular tape, “people hawks” everything indiscriminately, if only there was a “drive” and a “juicy picture”, it is the unconscious that educates effectively ...
        1. uncle forest
          uncle forest 13 July 2016 20: 08 New
          0
          I support your opinion entirely, I already commented on this a little higher
      6. Al1977
        Al1977 13 July 2016 09: 25 New
        -18
        Quote: Stock Officer
        In the USSR, cartoons carried an educational function

        You, you see, have grown up on our Lasharik. They absorbed his educational and ideological function.
      7. 11 black
        11 black 13 July 2016 16: 49 New
        0
        Quote: Stock Officer
        In the USSR, cartoons carried an educational function, and in the USA - stupidly entertaining, with elements of cunning and meanness. We have a concern for the younger generation, they have a box office.

        Well, not everything is so simple - in the USA there are also a lot of good cartoons. “Duck Tales” or “Chip and Dale” can definitely be given to children to watch.
        And you won’t believe - they also have educational films, which are not the same as in the USSR / Russia, but very hard, I would even say cruel, but it is their viewing that works better than any propaganda.
        The clearest example of such a film is “Requiem for a Dream” - it is obligatory for every teenager to watch. In short - having looked through it to the end, a person is perfectly (almost on his own) aware of what drugs are brought to, the basics of how it all starts and how terrible it is. I repeat - the film is very tough, but this is the best anti-drug propaganda I've seen - oddly enough, made in the USA ...
        1. uncle forest
          uncle forest 13 July 2016 20: 12 New
          0
          Well, is Chip and Dale generally not quite adequate, or am I wrong? children should not be allowed to watch this under any circumstances. if you think I'm wrong, ask real psychologists.
      8. demchuk.ig
        demchuk.ig 13 July 2016 17: 50 New
        +2
        There was such a Pope-John Paul 2. So he said, “Show only Soviet cartoons and no others to your children!”
      9. Ajent cho
        Ajent cho 13 July 2016 20: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: Stock Officer
        But are there any American folk tales in general?

        Of course, all American peoples have their own tales: the Iroquois, Cherokee, Sioux, Apache, Shauni and others, and others, and others ...
      10. OlegLex
        OlegLex 13 July 2016 22: 25 New
        +6
        Quote: Stock Officer
        In the USSR, cartoons carried an educational function, and in the USA - stupidly entertaining, with elements of cunning and meanness. We have care for the younger generation, they have a box office.

        And here you are wrong !!!
        Americans have long been pursuing a state policy to eradicate human social values. And the main emphasis is on children's education. their cartoons directly (and sometimes indirectly through the use of special technologies) act on the nursery. the author wrote the psyche very well and I won’t repeat it. I want to add only what I concluded after watching the masterpieces of their animation.
        Firstly, the complete eradication of family values ​​from the child’s mind. I’ll give you the most famous example - the cartoon beauty and the beast, the scene when GG runs dancing along the street is all beautiful and runs past a pig-like aunt who swears with a man holding a whole brood of very unattractive children in her arms. the scene takes literally seconds. but that’s enough to put aside in a child’s head that motherhood is bad - you will be the same fat pig with the same problems.
        what is needed in order to make from a plebs a completely dumb herd of sheep which they will cut and they, as in that advertisement about Chicken legs, will be happy about this. It is necessary to kill the institution of the family. because only the instinct of protecting your home and your children from a ruminant can make a tigress from a mother of a sheep and from a father a cold-blooded killer, whom no social prohibitions can stop. this is the way we now see that there is a substitution of family values. already now they don’t call dad there dad and mom mom. and a picture of a wonderful pair of two bearded men in thongs with children in their arms is projected into the brains of the layman.
        Incidentally, we are also brainwashed. the same series accustom us to the idea that teaching is not so bad. Yes, they are not the main characters there at all, and in general in third roles, but they exist, and their characters are usually spelled out much better than the main characters. (the series "Kitchen" is a French pastry-teller, the series "Do not be born beautiful" is a French fashion designer, Interns are even cooler there is a very positive hero - AMERICAN and not at all unique, but he has two dads and no mom.)
        now internet comics are milftun. I think all members of the forum know what teenage hyper interest in the forbidden and alluring is. and so there (well, on the internet) waiting for smell but this is garbage you say, we all grow and mature, and so on. however, there is one caveat. norn-comics and the main theme in it - INSCEST. it is literally planted, beautiful pictures with magnificent drawing. and the meaning of a simple mother is either blRT, or a preoccupied nympho who wants a man so much that her son will go. or even a complete fool. And father is an alcoholic or a complete sucker. or even a loser in life. I used to be very surprised when I watched American films where, once again, GG had a hidden childhood injury caused by a rapist by his father. I thought it was from squalor, while I didn’t get into the development of the case of incest. This is some kind of transdean.
        So, dear fathers and mothers, watch your children closely for what they are watching and what they are doing. most importantly, remember that a person is formed only at sixteen - eighteen years old, and parental control is not an empty word.
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 12 July 2016 21: 57 New
      28
      Quote: ALABAY45
      It's simple: in ours - handsome! A potential opponent has an imbecile half-fool.

      I venture to be minuscule, but each concept has been developed for its viewer. And the saddest thing is that the 20-year-old propaganda has borne fruit, today's children are more willing to watch Mowgli AB, there you need to think less. request
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 12 July 2016 22: 19 New
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        Vladimir]
        I venture to be minuscule, but each concept has been developed for its viewer. And the saddest thing is that the 20-year-old propaganda has borne fruit, today's children are more willing to watch Mowgli AV, there you need to think less.
        You're right. Think less, eat more chips.
        Personally, I have tears from this cartoon. No, I'm not crying, I'm upset ...
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 12 July 2016 22: 28 New
          29
          Quote: sabakina
          Personally, I have tears from this cartoon.

          I like this one more. And he, by the way, is also, to some extent, propagandistic. yes
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 12 July 2016 22: 47 New
            +8
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Quote: sabakina
            Personally, I have tears from this cartoon.

            I like this one more. And he, by the way, is also, to some extent, propagandistic. yes

            Yes, there is one, but it is about the Amerian essence, I was brought up on this:
            1. Camel
              Camel 13 July 2016 00: 05 New
              0
              Well, many said that we couldn’t make cartoons like "anime". EVERYONE could, and much can! I liked the cartoon! good
            2. midivan
              midivan 13 July 2016 00: 55 New
              +5
              Quote: sabakina
              Yes, there is one, but it is about the Amerian essence, I was brought up on this:

              belay stop stop stop! EDUCATED? or brought up?
              1. Sashka
                Sashka 14 July 2016 10: 14 New
                +2
                =) Also drew attention to this ... And here's another: "I venture to be minus ..."
                So it seems Sobakina is a man. I’m sorry, I’m not personally acquainted, I didn’t want to offend anyone. Often I saw all kinds of roses in the address of Sobakina, and here on you, such a turn ...
                midivan, we pretended that you did not give Sobakin’s flower.
                Good day!
        2. midivan
          midivan 13 July 2016 00: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: sabakina
          Personally, I have tears from this cartoon. No, I'm not crying, I'm upset ...

          smile at the man is upset, and you and cry Mona (not shameful) love
        3. Drzed
          Drzed 13 July 2016 02: 45 New
          +2
          but I can’t find the Soviet cartoon, from about the 50s, “Ruslan and Lyudmila”, the search engine offers either a 1972 movie or remodels.
          A very catchy start:
          At the seashore, the oak is green;
          The golden chain on the oak is that:
          And day and night a cat scientist
          Everything goes around the chain;
          Goes to the right - the song starts,
          To the left - a fairy tale says.
          There are miracles: there the goblin wanders,
          The mermaid sits on the branches;
          There on unknown paths
          Traces of unseen beasts;
          The hut is there on chicken legs
          It is without windows, without doors;
          There the forest and the dale of the visions are full;
          There will come waves about dawn
          On the shore is sandy and empty,
          And thirty fine heroes
          The dark out of the waters are clear,
          And with them their uncle is marine;
          There the prince in passing
          Captures the terrible king;
          There in the clouds before the people
          Through forests, across the seas
          The sorcerer carries a hero;
          In prison there is a princess tuzhit,
          And the brown wolf serves her faithfully;
          There is a stupa with Baba Yaga
          Goes, wanders by itself;
          There King Kashchei wilts over gold;
          There is a Russian spirit ... there it smells of Rus!
          And there I was, and I drank honey;
          I saw a green oak by the sea;
          There was a scientist under it, and a cat
          He told me his tales.
          One I remember: this fairy tale
          Now I tell the light ...
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 13 July 2016 03: 56 New
            +1
            DrZed RU Today, 02:45 ↑ New
            but I can’t find the Soviet cartoon, from about the 50s, “Ruslan and Lyudmila”, the search engine offers either a 1972 movie or remodels.

            There is no such cartoon. There is a feature film.
            But the introduction to the poem by A. S. Pushkin "Ruslan and Lyudmila" begins the cartoon "The Tale of the Fisherman and the Fish".
            (Soyuzmultfilm-1950) hi
            1. Drzed
              Drzed 13 July 2016 06: 21 New
              0
              many thanks hi
              but it’s not quite that
              1. Freeman
                Freeman 13 July 2016 11: 41 New
                0
                DrZed RU Today, 06:21 ↑ New
                thanks a lot hi
                but it’s not quite that

                I am glad to help, but alas, the passage of the poem that you quoted (the cartoon you already remembered) is a prologue to the movie "The Tale of the Fisherman and the Fish". This fragment has been posted on the net separately (At Lukomorye green oak 03:04).
        4. Robin32
          Robin32 13 July 2016 14: 31 New
          0
          I am already over forty, and “Girl and the Dolphin” left indelible experiences in children's memory. And still, when I hear a song from the cartoon, goosebumps run through my body.
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC 12 July 2016 23: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: Vladimirets
        current children are more willing to watch Mowgli AB, there you need to think less

        American cinema is entertaining, and Russian is teaching, and having fun is more fun than learning.
    3. midivan
      midivan 13 July 2016 00: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: ALABAY45
      In the fifth or sixth grade, I envied him ... Then, pumped up, hit the sport, tanned and, away we go ....

      judging by how Mowgli started, you began to envy laughing
    4. Yujiko
      Yujiko 13 July 2016 08: 43 New
      0
      And if the diaries of the girls had Mowgli from the American version, then ... this is a completely different Istria =).
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS 13 July 2016 09: 32 New
      +5
      Quote: ALABAY45
      It's simple: in ours - handsome! Potential opponent - imbecile half-fool

      Just a couple of days ago with my son I watched a new film by Mowgli of mattress production ... I killed the question of my son, who watched our cartoon and read the PAPA book, AND WHY THEY LIED, EVERYTHING IN THE BOOK EVERYTHING WAS NOT AT ALL THIS.
      Evil Sharkhan killed Akela, Balu is such a thieving swindler with signs of a complete parasite, Bagheera is a panther, but, excuse me, the male was even stuck in the movie monkey king Louis (from "Wonders on Bends), more like King Kong, and a boa constrictor KAA, not only the female, but also wanted to gobble up Mowgli.
      At the same time, Mowgli killed Sharkhan, being a boy of 7-8 years old.
      Generally horror. The son concluded a film full of nonsense and lies.
      1. kayman4
        kayman4 14 July 2016 21: 09 New
        +1
        To argue that the cartoon is bad or good and that it is he who programs the children's consciousness is easy. But for me it’s just nonsense on the basis of which we parents are trying to justify my avoidance of participation in raising a child. Because it is precisely to us and the teacher that the child will go on to clarify the contentious issue and the plot itself, and here it all depends on us. The main thing is not to shrug it off - so that you don’t speak with a sour mine, that it’s like a cartoon to blame

        P / S. Think only before the word BLUE did not cause a negative - now it’s a complete PPC - we ourselves are led to a foreign culture and still want to protect our children from it — so can we start with ourselves?
  2. Tim
    Tim 12 July 2016 21: 39 New
    13
    Amerikosov cartoons for children are good and bad, but yes our USSR and Russian are not enough laughing
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 12 July 2016 22: 03 New
      +6
      Quote: Tima
      Amerikosov cartoons for children are good and bad, but yes our USSR and Russian are not enough laughing


      In general - yes, you can agree with you. But there are pleasant exceptions. The animated series "Masha and the Bear" alone is worth what. By the way, he is popular not only in our country. The ratings of channels showing any dregs for the "average viewer" are falling. And these are losses. Countermeasures are needed. Up to the point that in Israel (the truth is, according to our media) they launched a whole campaign against this cartoon. Briefly - a lonely Russian child needs attention, but everyone does not care about him, because in Russia they do not like children ...
      So here is the information war.
      1. igordok
        igordok 12 July 2016 22: 50 New
        +7
        Quote: Stock Officer
        The animated series "Masha and the Bear" alone is worth what. By the way, he is popular not only in our country.

        Masha and the Bear have one interesting political (or maybe not) subtext. On an abandoned car there is a sign in the Russian version - Moscow-Beijing, in the English version - Moscow-Alaska.
        1. Alf
          Alf 12 July 2016 22: 58 New
          11
          Quote: igordok
          Masha and the Bear have one interesting political (or maybe not) subtext. On an abandoned car there is a sign in the Russian version - Moscow-Beijing, in the English version - Moscow-Alaska.

          Not only. The Bear’s house is full of SOVIET things, starting with the TV, the pig’s player and the refrigerator. And the Wolves (the orderlies of the forest) go exactly on the Loaf, and not on any Mercedes.
      2. Mowgli
        Mowgli 12 July 2016 23: 54 New
        +7
        The animated series "Masha and the Bear" alone is worth what


        And what's interesting: it divides adults into two categories.
        Category one (I hope the smaller one): "Yes, there Masha behaves very abnormally. My child will look like this cartoon, so right away ...". "Yes, this cartoon of children teaches only bad things." "You look at the behavior of Masha ...". Well and so on.
        The second category (I hope it’s big): they’re not just watching a cartoon, but also by the example of Masha’s behavior they raise their children (“you can’t do this, but this is very good”).
        1. midivan
          midivan 13 July 2016 01: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: Mowgli
          And what's interesting: it divides adults into two categories.
          Category one (I hope a smaller one): "Yes, there Masha is behaving very abnormally.

          well, there’s a third category, probably, personally, from Masha’s laughter, my hair stands on end, well, the feeling arises that it was whipped up, although it is spelled out
        2. Alex_59
          Alex_59 13 July 2016 07: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Mowgli
          Category one (I hope the smaller one): "Yes, there Masha behaves very abnormally. My child will look like this cartoon, so right away ...". "Yes, this cartoon of children teaches only bad things." "You look at the behavior of Masha ...". Well and so on.
          The second category (I hope it’s big): they’re not just watching a cartoon, but also by the example of Masha’s behavior they raise their children (“you can’t do this, but this is very good”).

          My daughter really liked this cartoon, and I would not say that she began to get mad after watching. In general, his influence seems to me to be exaggerated. The daughter at one time demanded this cartoon constantly, then she had seen enough and now does not want to see him at all.
          1. Mowgli
            Mowgli 13 July 2016 08: 04 New
            0
            My daughter really liked this cartoon, and I would not say that she began to get mad after watching. In general, his influence seems to me to be exaggerated.


            So the fact of the matter is that normal children perceive the cartoon only as a cartoon. No more.
            There are simply such children ... Here, as you know, everything depends on the parents. Oranges will not be born from aspen.


            The daughter ... had seen enough and now does not want to see him at all.


            Everything is correct. Bored one and the same.
            And there are many good and different cartoons. There is a choice.
  3. Machete
    Machete 12 July 2016 21: 42 New
    0
    Each country has its own vision of life.
    Ours filmed for us, the Americans - for them.
    1. hirurg
      hirurg 12 July 2016 22: 28 New
      10
      In our cartoons they continue to carry thoughts about traditional values ​​(good-evil, courage, ...)
      What are the trends with the Americans I will not say but ...
      What are the new characters of Europe, the hair stands on end. I will not list it - disgusting.
  4. Snayp
    Snayp 12 July 2016 21: 50 New
    +8
    Well, what would you like if, in case of danger, for them as a covenant: "we save our s ..." ... So this part of the body flashes. The moral for them is the unknown. IMHO
  5. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 12 July 2016 21: 56 New
    10
    Look at the American cartoon from the 60s Rocky and Bullwinkle, there dangerous Russian spies Boris and Natasha are trying to kill the Rocky and the Elk squirrel. And so they showed the children ... Brainwashing and propaganda from early childhood.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 12 July 2016 22: 29 New
      +8
      Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
      And so they showed the children ..

      In “Tom and Jerry”, in one of the old episodes, Russians are also found: in the form of a grinning, dappled bulldog-cosmonaut, of course, with a red star on his helmet. Well, at the time of meeting Tom’s cat in space with this “fellow countryman”, “Kalinka” plays.
  6. marshes
    marshes 12 July 2016 21: 57 New
    16
    Well, what cartoons to show the younger generation.
    The elder siblings on Selarmune grew up, it was not possible to go through the market if something could not be bought for attributes. They grew up, impudent and militant.
    My and younger and younger tribes, Luntik pancake are polite in conversations, and Masha with copper bears - a spark is a smart ass laughing It’s real that it’s not these ... cartoons that are released. laughing
    Until that time, I was killing time stupidly, I remember Tom and Jerry, and rather a scrupulous cartoon about Myshkovitsa, there are Cossacks cats .... laughing
    What Mosfilm what else ... in credits. laughing
    I consider Star-Treked This is the Adventure of Captain Vrungel, Treasure Island and about Aibolit, but this is a Kievnauch movie.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 12 July 2016 23: 11 New
      +7
      Forgive me, but the cartoon about the skeleton of treasures is just entertaining. True with a bias about the evil of tobacco smoking and excessive consumption of rum.
      1. marshes
        marshes 12 July 2016 23: 23 New
        +5
        Quote: sabakina
        Forgive me, but the cartoon about the skeleton of treasures is just entertaining. True with a bias about the evil of tobacco smoking and excessive consumption of rum.

        Do not they clearly explain to the younger generation.
        This is the opposite of Jim Jung.
      2. midivan
        midivan 13 July 2016 01: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: sabakina
        Forgive me, but the cartoon about the skeleton of treasures is just entertaining. Truth with a bias about the evil of smoking and excessive consumption of rum

        laughing I don’t know how the Ministry of Health or the cartoon warns, so Dad warned me in the class at 5m, so I only lit up with my mother after the army, and before the army I ate all the wormwood around the house (so that it didn’t stink), but the Batey was gone when I was 16
  7. Dym71
    Dym71 12 July 2016 21: 58 New
    -7
    Today they watch Disney cartoons, tomorrow they listen to pop music, and the day after tomorrow their ideals and values ​​acquire the selfish and consumeristic coloring characteristic of Western culture. More serious than it seems.

    Passed already, I do not believe recourse
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 12 July 2016 22: 08 New
      -3
      Answer minus laughing
      1. akula
        akula 12 July 2016 22: 41 New
        +8
        Go to America, they are waiting for you there.
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 12 July 2016 22: 58 New
          -5
          Quote: akula
          Go to America, they are waiting for you there.

          But I don’t need to go there, I want to go to Odessa Mom smile



          1. Vend
            13 July 2016 17: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Dym71
            Quote: akula
            Go to America, they are waiting for you there.

            But I don’t need to go there, I want to go to Odessa Mom smile


            And who is stopping you?
            1. Dym71
              Dym71 13 July 2016 19: 39 New
              0
              Quote: Wend
              And who is stopping you?


              Dill Allergy.
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 12 July 2016 22: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: Dym71
      Passed already, I do not believe

      Do you seriously believe that? belay
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 12 July 2016 22: 31 New
        -4
        What is it?
        The fact that as one we die in the struggle for this?
        Please specify. hi
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 12 July 2016 22: 33 New
          -2
          Quote: Dym71
          What is it?

          About jazz and homeland.
          1. Dym71
            Dym71 12 July 2016 22: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Vladimirets
            About jazz and homeland.

            I believe that I persecuted people for jazz, my parents for rock'n'roll, shake and twist, me for HMR - everything was explained as the corrupting influence of the West and anti-Soviet and survived no one sold their homeland.
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 12 July 2016 22: 47 New
              +2
              Quote: Dym71
              I believe that I persecuted people for jazz, my parents for rock'n'roll, shake and twist, me for HMR - everything was explained as the corrupting influence of the West and anti-Soviet and survived no one sold their homeland.

              Sorry, I decided it wasn’t banter. hi
              1. Dym71
                Dym71 12 July 2016 22: 53 New
                0
                Quote: Vladimirets
                Sorry, I decided it wasn’t banter.

                Yes, nothing, I didn’t explain it well, I thought that the smile laughing that's enough.
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 12 July 2016 23: 21 New
                  +2
                  Dym71
                  But I don’t need to go there, I want to go to Odessa Mom

                  I do not advise.
                  1. Dym71
                    Dym71 12 July 2016 23: 50 New
                    +7
                    What did you dislike about this video?
                    Flies? laughing Or gypsy saleswomen? request

                    In the comments on this video, I found a cool joke:
                    Odessa, "Privoz", fish range:
                    - Bitch !!! Bitch !!!
                    Arriving:
                    - That's right - the "bulls."
                    - That's right - “Neogobius fluviatilis”, and your dad was bullfighting when you were a kid when I was selling pests.
                    1. sabakina
                      sabakina 13 July 2016 00: 25 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Dym71
                      What did you dislike about this video?

                      Yes! This is not an oriental bazaar where they grab you by the hem of your bathrobe and ask to buy! This is the Russian Orthodox market of the city, which was founded by Catherine II.
                      What am I wrong about? Merchants in Russia / in Russia were honorable and authoritative.
                      1. Dym71
                        Dym71 13 July 2016 00: 50 New
                        +1
                        Quote: sabakina
                        What am I wrong?


                        Probably that you see the Russian Orthodox market without the same gypsies, or maybe that you represent the honorable and reputable merchants at the counter? request
                        In the comments to the video that you posted, find BearGrizzly25 - everything is clear in his posts.
                      2. Freeman
                        Freeman 13 July 2016 01: 58 New
                        +1
                        sabakina (7) RU Today, 00:25 ↑
                        ... This is not an oriental bazaar where you are seized by the hem of your dressing gown and asked to buy!
                        ... This is the Russian Orthodox market of the city
                        ... Merchants in Russia / in Russia were honorable and authoritative.

                        Oh, Wei! Read it for Gilyarovsky. laughing
                        Where he describes the life and customs of Moscow merchants and shopkeepers of the late 19th, early 20th century. Everything was exactly the same.
                        Threat. I advise you to find in the library a collection of essays, 60-70 years of publication, and not the neutered edition of "Moscow and Muscovites" -80s. hi
                  2. Skifotavr
                    Skifotavr 13 July 2016 00: 27 New
                    0
                    Quote: sabakina
                    I do not advise.

                    Well, everyone sees his ...
                  3. Camel
                    Camel 13 July 2016 00: 48 New
                    +1
                    And I was directly offended about a Negro! am Why is it such an advantage to them? wink At ours, "humbly hinting winked "no worse, just nothing worse laughing
            2. kolyhalovs
              kolyhalovs 13 July 2016 10: 20 New
              0
              and no one survived their homeland.

              Where were you in '91?
              1. Dym71
                Dym71 13 July 2016 11: 45 New
                0
                Quote: kolyhalovs
                Where were you in '91?


                Received education.
    3. akula
      akula 12 July 2016 22: 39 New
      +6
      So they sold it for gum !!!! So what's the truth?
    4. Bramb
      Bramb 13 July 2016 05: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: Dym71
      Passed already, I do not believe

      So, those who played jazz just sold their homeland! These jazz players wanted jeans, beer in cans and chewing gum. Here, for beer and jeans, they sold their homeland!
      What "do not believe" something? This story has just happened! The memory is gone, sickly?
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 13 July 2016 11: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Bramb
        So, those who played jazz just sold their homeland! These jazz players wanted jeans, beer in cans and chewing gum. Here, for beer and jeans, they sold their homeland!

        And you, as I understand it, miraculously survived in the crucible of the struggle for the USSR? All creatures are corrupt, and you are a kind of d'Artagnan from the GKChP musketeers?

        They were sold by those who used these jeans, chewing gum and beer in cans in the "birches" instead of producing similar goods in their own country!
        Who joined the CPSU solely for career growth, who in the nineties threw out membership cards as unnecessary!
  8. marshes
    marshes 12 July 2016 22: 13 New
    +8
    And yet, I have to watch, even though the age is not the same.
    the channel with cartoons is a French TIJ campaign, there is a good song who wants PI PI, just for the night, but the design is yellow. laughing Whoever has the little ones will understand.
    Not so long ago I joked about FIXY, they cooked a blue lollipop there. laughing I remembered the television series IN ALL HEAVY, about the blue met. laughing
    How fast pop culture enters our everyday life.
    In order to carry boobies, headrests with LCD displays and a DVD player were bought. In my time, for my nagging father would have slapped me a couple of slaps. laughing
    Pampering! laughing
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 13 July 2016 00: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: marshes

      Just how fast culture enters our everyday life.
      In order to carry boobies, headrests with LCD displays and a DVD player were bought. In my time, for my nagging father would have slapped me a couple of slaps.

      IZH-56 with a German stroller, my sister is sitting on the stroller seat, I was on the stroller floor between the windshield and the seat (because the two of us were already in the same seat). And no one, went for mushrooms / berries, and no one got cold ... laughing
  9. Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 12 July 2016 22: 14 New
    10
    Now, after watching Western films, I am treating nerves with Soviet films.
    Yes, scary for the children. But I believe (although who I am) that in case of war, all youth will defend themselves as one! No matter what cartoons, everyone will stand up when the enemy comes into the house. God forbid, of course, not an invited guest with a sword in his hands on the doorstep of the house.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 12 July 2016 23: 32 New
      +4
      For the Prince of Pension.
      Do not get up. Believe me, Princess Akatawa. In 1941, how many were confused, frightened, not knowing where to go and what to do? Like, Motherland abandoned them ... No, if by 1941 they had brought up a whole generation with and on patriotism, right now ... I don’t argue, there were, there will be guys and girls who will be ready to die. But who are these guys? Children of peasants, workers, ordinary state employees who simply have nothing to lose stupidly!
      1. Camel
        Camel 13 July 2016 00: 56 New
        +2
        Do not get up. Believe me, Princess Akatawa. In 1941, how many were confused, frightened, not knowing where to go and what to do? Like Motherland left them ...

        But for my part, I’ll note that during a survey of young employees - from 25 to ~ 35 years old, I found out that EVERYTHING and IMMEDIATELY are ready for the front! And mothers with small children also took part in the survey. This is on the issue of education and current youth love

        PS I forgot to specify - a sample of ~ 50 people.
      2. kit-kat
        kit-kat 13 July 2016 09: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: sabakina
        Children of peasants, workers, ordinary state employees who simply have nothing to lose stupidly!

        Mistaken, they have something to lose. This, of course, is not apartments, factories and loot, but the homeland, the family, some kind of freedom and life.
      3. Ajent cho
        Ajent cho 14 July 2016 14: 03 New
        0
        Quote: sabakina
        Do not get up.

        Where, interestingly, is such information? Personally, I do not yet know the person who will sit back and expect that others will do everything for him. Yes, you look better at people on May 9th.
    2. Vasily Krylov
      Vasily Krylov 13 July 2016 00: 29 New
      +2
      I don’t know everything for sure. I have to communicate.
  10. newcomer
    newcomer 12 July 2016 22: 15 New
    10
    totally agree. our cartoons always conveyed kindness, respect, friendship, mutual assistance, patience, hard work to children. it was not for nothing that the late pope John Paul loved precisely our cartoons, saying that they bear eternal, kind, humanity.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 13 July 2016 08: 10 New
      +2
      Our cartoons ---- according to our fairy tales. Our Russian folk tales are the legacy that our wonderful ancestors left to us.
  11. AID.S
    AID.S 12 July 2016 22: 17 New
    -5
    An article from the series "Stalin-Russophobe or Russophile", "Two Worlds-Two Shapiro." Life, it is much wider and more colorful.
  12. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 12 July 2016 22: 18 New
    +4
    I can’t unequivocally agree with the opinion that all cartoons of Americans are slag. The lion king what is bad? There are hundreds of such examples. A lot of epic cartoons done pretty well. They are very different from ours, it is a fact. And sometimes not in the best direction, but here is mentality, not skill.
  13. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 12 July 2016 22: 19 New
    20
    An interesting article, +, somehow did not think. It is indicative of how we differ from them. I looked for the sake of interest in the series "Masha and the Bear", poor Misha. And the Italians are spinning from this cartoon, they haven’t bought the shot yet ... The Japanese are dragging from Cheburashka, because he is Cheburashka, and his eyes, like in the anime, do not understand the meaning. OUR Winnie the Pooh and THEIR Winnipuh - the difference is great (one bursting ball costs a lot as a gift). And when they showed the Beavis-Butthead, my friend and I laughed, it's more like a cartoon for adults, but for our children it was ideological sabotage, and they grow up as Beavis, because muck is better absorbed. Well, so what in the mornings this weekend they show ... Aggression, we must urgently defeat the enemies (the enemies will be appointed additionally) when our kids grow up.
    And where, edren-loaf, the Minister of Culture, where are all these tips under the President on culture-cultures ??? In reality, children get into the brains with dirty boots and a blunt screwdriver. And, they do not have the right to intervene, they are not shareholders of TV channels, they found Pontia Pilates, what would they use to wash their hands. It’s better to cut the money for restoration. But is it time to tighten the nuts? Here we have MORMONS in the city showed up, their mother, and there are suckers, a cat. go to them on the gangplanks! Well, where, damn it, the ideological department of the FSB, well, it's time to recreate and strengthen in every way!
    1. Vitaly72
      Vitaly72 12 July 2016 23: 07 New
      +2
      I agree with you, in completely harmless Soviet films 12+, 14 +, 16 +, and such a zombie channel as a carousel for children without restriction
    2. populist
      populist 13 July 2016 00: 18 New
      +6
      And where, edren-loaf, the Minister of Culture, where are all these tips under the President on culture-cultures ???

      This minister recently opened a plaque to Manerheim, the killer of Leningrad women and children.
      He is on the opposite side, on the other side of the barricades, as they say ...
      Advice under the president, probably there.
    3. Vasily Krylov
      Vasily Krylov 13 July 2016 00: 41 New
      +4
      I’ve put you a plus. I fully support you. I want to add. Then the other day, I don’t know why, I watched a children's film in theaters now. Conclusion. It’s harmful not only for children but also for adults with unstable outlooks on life. In a nutshell why .Kain, Judah, Pavlik Morozov, it’s good if it’s for the benefit of Britain. That's right. With respect Krylov.
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 15 July 2016 22: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Vasily Krylov
        .Kain, Judah, Pavlik Morozov, it’s good if it’s for the benefit of Britain. That's right. With respect Krylov.


        They scored on all 10 commandments long ago. And they broadcast to the whole world that your gobels mouthpiece. It seems that they have already played out. Now, if their yellow stone smells - it will be the highest justice, so that we do not dirty our hands. If it does not smell, add it. Yes, it is cynical, but how much can you be imposed, like a shabby and somewhat sick, um, girl? With your unappetizing E2-E4? From them the infection rushing, where Onishchenko?
    4. kit-kat
      kit-kat 13 July 2016 09: 54 New
      +1
      Unfortunately, there is no hope for the state now. It is necessary to raise a worthy person in the family. It's hard. In Soviet times, both school and kindergarten helped. Now this is not.
  14. Valter1364
    Valter1364 12 July 2016 22: 22 New
    +5
    All wisdom and stupidity in fairy tales.
    It’s interesting, as if the author of the article conveyed to the child from modern Russia the tale “The Adventures of Cipollino” by the Italian writer Gianni Rodari. And by the way, why was she removed from the general education program? smile
    1. Alf
      Alf 12 July 2016 23: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: Valter1364
      And by the way, why was she removed from the general education program?

      So that analogies are not drawn. Trash Law-have you heard of this?
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 12 July 2016 23: 43 New
        +5
        Quote: Valter1364

        It’s interesting, as if the author of the article conveyed to the child from modern Russia the tale “The Adventures of Cipollino” by the Italian writer Gianni Rodari. smile

        And how would the author convey to the modern Western child a tale about Jelsomino?
    2. Web
      Web 13 July 2016 10: 51 New
      +3
      Cipollino was not removed from the program. My daughter, last year (Grade 2), passed. And they watched the Soviet cartoon as a whole class, and there was a quiz on the work. The school is ordinary district.
  15. boroda64
    boroda64 12 July 2016 22: 25 New
    +2
    ....
    - auto RU
    - you haven’t read the book yet ...............
    1. Manul
      Manul 13 July 2016 00: 09 New
      0
      Quote: boroda64
      - auto RU
      - you haven’t read the book yet ...............

      Ahead. I wanted to note that the author is discussing on the right topics, but only on cartoons. He didn’t read the book, so when the 90s broke out, I’ll assume that he was 10 years old. And after that time, everyone was no longer up to the classics. It is a pity that the patriotic theme was reduced to the fact that "they" are all bad. Tired. Someone wrote above that there are plenty of masterpieces in Hollywood. Before writing, it would be necessary to dig up information. And to know the directors, animators, actors. What a cheap approach - grab the pluses at the expense of our "partners". The author would have come down to mention who voiced the roles in our cartoon. I liked only that the concept of the article that Soviet animation is an educational factor of the younger generation. Comparisons with America - pah! Hesitated !!!
      Maria Vinogradova, Leo Shabarin - Mowgli
      Lyudmila Kasatkina - Bagira
      Stepan Bubnov - Balu Bear
      Vladimir Ushakov - python Kaa
      Anatoly Papanov - Sher Khan
      Sergey Martinson - Tobaccos
      Leo Lyubetskiy, Yuri Puzyrev - Akela
      Lucien Ovchinnikova - wolf-mother Raksha, foster mother of Mowgli
      Alexander Nazarov - wolf-father, foster father of Mowgli (1 series); Kaa (Episode 5)
      Yuri Khrzhanovsky - banderlog (2 episode), white cobra (3 episode)
      Klara Rumyanova - Hathi, baby elephant
      PS The article was left unrated only for good topics. And so it would be a minus.
  16. fa2998
    fa2998 12 July 2016 22: 35 New
    +4
    Quote: ALABAY45
    It's simple: in our - handsome

    Come on, Mowgli, you compare our and overseas Winnie the Pooh. And at the same time Piglet and company. We are a little plump, but it looks great manhood, but nickname is a goner and an unwise person! laughing hi
    1. Қarabas
      Қarabas 12 July 2016 23: 14 New
      +1
      Just to let you know: American Winnie is made according to the drawings of Ernest Shepard, which have already become classic images of Winnie, Christopher Robin and so on. By the way, Shepard himself asked Milne, the author of Vinnie, to complete the drawings, and he really liked these illustrations.

      For me, both ours and western Winnie are both wonderful.
  17. pigkiller
    pigkiller 12 July 2016 22: 38 New
    +3
    Quote: Valter1364
    And by the way, why was she removed from the general education program?

    The class struggle and the social revolution are now not at all a fashionable topic.
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  20. thinker
    thinker 12 July 2016 22: 50 New
    +2
    The author wrote everything correctly, a huge plus. Who cares, you can read on this topic - About the cartoon "Shrek": What does Hollywood teach children?
    http://oko-planet.su/politik/society/305435-o-multfilme-shrek-chemu-uchit-detey-
    gollivud.html
    1. marshes
      marshes 12 July 2016 22: 58 New
      +9
      Quote: thinker
      About the cartoon "Shrek": What does Hollywood teach children?

      Shrek is not a children's cartoon but for general viewing, there are many footnotes on other works of the Grimm Brothers. I understand this as a specialist laughing
      Normal but cool are Bears Gami, Chip and Dale rush to the rescue and DuckTales. laughing
  21. mg1503
    mg1503 12 July 2016 23: 02 New
    +3
    10 years ago, granddaughter was baptized. At baptism, the father said that the child should watch only Soviet cartoons, and in no case should he watch Western films, including Disney ones.
    1. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 13 July 2016 01: 06 New
      0
      so that the child watches only Soviet cartoons
      But did Radonezh radio not recommend this shepherd?
    2. Ajent cho
      Ajent cho 14 July 2016 14: 12 New
      0
      Quote: mg1503
      so that the child watches only Soviet cartoons, and in no case watch Western films

      It’s much smarter to tell the child the difference between the cartoons, and not to make the forbidden fruit sweet.
  22. Million
    Million 12 July 2016 23: 04 New
    +1
    imported cartoons is action, Soviet-semantic
  23. COBA
    COBA 12 July 2016 23: 11 New
    11
    Our sworn "partners" are well aware of the main principle: "If you want to defeat the enemy, raise his children." And it acts much cooler than pumping their economy with their "treasurers" at a percentage. But that’s why they don’t put filters from different abominations coming from the West - the question is to Comrade Puten, who is passionate about reviving a great power and even introducing the standards of TRP and NVP in schools (which in itself is very gut), but without an appropriate worldview it is practically useless, because "darling" no.
  24. Dart2027
    Dart2027 12 July 2016 23: 20 New
    +5
    I practically agree with everything.
    Only a small clarification, in the original Kipling Bagheera - this is Baguir, that is, a man. In English, the word panther is masculine, and when translated into Russian, because of this difference, Bagheera Bagira was made
  25. Dim Bes
    Dim Bes 12 July 2016 23: 38 New
    +3
    Completely on the side of the author. Taking this opportunity, I wanted to ask help from visitors to this site. For quite some time now I’ve been trying to find the old (if I’m not mistaken, black and white) am. cartoon: according to the plot, the fox is fooled by the housekeeper, says that it’s not safe inside the walls, he is believed to panic, the fox leads the hens into the cave and closes the entrance. At the end - overeat foxes and rows - graves with thymus bones on top. The moral was still like: if not you, then you (close to this). The transcendent cynicism of “creation” would not have been dreaming of Goebels in complete delirium. I watched in the late 90s on TV, by chance, not at first but to the end and with a sagging jaw. I don’t know the names for this reason. Thank you if anyone is wise.
  26. Ilya
    Ilya 12 July 2016 23: 47 New
    0
    The last paragraph is the essence!
  27. marshes
    marshes 13 July 2016 00: 01 New
    +1
    There are age restrictions since how many, you need to drive another bar to how many laughing otherwise, after much thought, the brain may be injured laughing not compatible with life. laughing
  28. Korsar4
    Korsar4 13 July 2016 00: 10 New
    +1
    One of the beloved cartoons of beloved Kipling. Domestic animation - the whole world. The American looked many years ago about two minutes. Turned off. No more coming back. It would be something to talk about.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 13 July 2016 07: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: Korsar4
      One of the beloved cartoons of beloved Kipling. Domestic animation - the whole world. The American looked many years ago about two minutes. Turned off. No more coming back. It would be something to talk about.

      It was not in vain that Oleg Vidov, who had faded (emigrated, well ...) to the United States, at the time of the “perestroika” rampant, semi-legally stealed a huge archive of our cartoons (taking advantage of the gaps in copyright law), and sold them - expensively! - there for hire! Rudeness, of course, but - crazy success, played "for ours" in the long run!
  29. Koshak
    Koshak 13 July 2016 04: 25 New
    0
    About Soviet cartoons, somehow on Saturday morning on TV-3 I got a black and white cartoon with a straightforward storyline: New Year, Santa Claus carries presents to children, successfully fighting off evil wolves. It seems to be uninteresting to watch now, but the main thing is the credits at the end: Production of the Tashkent film studio, 1942! good Indeed, whoever wants - does, who does not want - is looking for excuses.
    PS does not need about a totalitarian ideology and the invisible hand of the market.
    PPP I do not know how to comp. animation, just the eldest granddaughter is reading our tales (the youngest is still 7 months old) love
  30. Rus62
    Rus62 13 July 2016 04: 45 New
    +3
    But now there is a complete debilitation of our children. Why are cartoons like Pepa's pig, Bob sponge, square pants and similar garbage.
  31. demotivator
    demotivator 13 July 2016 05: 48 New
    +2
    An excellent analysis was made by the author. I enjoyed reading it. If you dig further, then the debilitation of our children through cartoons continues. Now my granddaughter from Novosibirsk is visiting me and every day asks me to turn on the animated series Puppy Patrol. When I saw what it was, I was horrified - I hadn’t seen any dumber one yet. And she is watching. Hooked up like a drug. This movie, as well as everything else, is also from behind a hill.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 13 July 2016 07: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: demotivator
      An excellent analysis was made by the author. I enjoyed reading it. If you dig further, then the debilitation of our children through cartoons continues. Now my granddaughter from Novosibirsk is visiting me and every day asks me to turn on the animated series Puppy Patrol. When I saw what it was, I was horrified - I hadn’t seen any dumber one yet. And she is watching. Hooked up like a drug. This movie, as well as everything else, is also from behind a hill.

      Kind of sensory drug, that's right ...
      Anime and manga are even worse in this respect!
  32. Riv
    Riv 13 July 2016 06: 07 New
    +2
    Well, Bagir, for example, Kipling was a man. In India, masculine names ending in "a" are the most common thing. But here's the funny thing: when I wanted to read Kipling at school, he wasn’t in the school library. And in the city library - only the "Jungle Book". A collection of short stories and poems I found only much later, by accident. The book was a release of the late 40s.
    And those nichrome stories were not like a children's fairy tale ...
    1. Қarabas
      Қarabas 13 July 2016 07: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Riv
      But here's the funny thing: when I wanted to read Kipling at school, he wasn’t in the school library. And in the city library - only the "Jungle Book". A collection of short stories and poems I found only much later, by accident. The book was a release of the late 40s.
      And those nichrome stories were not like a children's fairy tale ...

      If you wanted to read Kipling and found the Jungle Book in the city library, then you found Kipling, right? And if you later found a compilation of his stories and poems, then no one said that they were for children. Kipling has “Just Tales” and two later books, “Pak from the Magic Hills” and “Fairy Gifts” for children, that's all. And Mowgli, known to us, is two “Jungle Books” adapted for children by Soviet translators. It is also unclear why you wrote that the book of the 40s .. Kipling's storybooks are not uncommon and were published both in the 60s and 80s.
      1. Riv
        Riv 13 July 2016 08: 00 New
        +1
        Maybe they weren’t, but in our city I was not lucky to find such a collection. And after all, this is really a very, very different Kipling, not a storyteller on any side.

        I —'ave — marched — six — weeks in 'Ell an' certify
        It — is — not — fire — devils, dark, or anything,
        But boots — boots — boots — boots — movin'up an 'down again,
        An 'there's no discharge in the war!
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 July 2016 08: 19 New
      +2
      In general, this Kipling got fucked, took and made the panther a male, ignored future translations into Russian. Horror is simple.
      1. Riv
        Riv 13 July 2016 10: 19 New
        +2
        And do not say ... Well, at least not an achtung. But in general, Kipling doesn’t have all the concepts. The tiger is the jungle raja. No one in the forest should raise a tail on him by definition. And in the fairy tale, the wolves put it on him, and the panther (a), the old Kaa, doesn’t consider him a jackal at all. And Mowgli ...

        Apparently this is still the same burden of a white man. Mowgli is this white, the only intelligent creature in the whole jungle. The beasts are natives with distinct caste differences. That is, you can finish off the rajah, if the white orders. And heroism can be shown only under the leadership of Mowgli, or saving him. But God forbid growling at the white - it will be bad.

        That's the moral ...
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 13 July 2016 14: 42 New
          0
          In fact, in a fairy tale, wolves screamed that they were a free people, no less than Ukrainian horses about the fact that they were non-slaves. The thought creeps in that they themselves do not believe in it and that they need to prove it to themselves. The weakness of old Akella leads to the fact that they are massively sold to Sher Khan. Kaa lives for such a long time that he doesn’t care much, and he has made a lot of money, Bagira is essentially a free fighter who knows his own worth and, most importantly, he is an order of magnitude smarter than other inhabitants of the jungle, but since he grew up among people, it’s wonderful understands human capabilities.

          And yes, Mowgli is white, Bagheera is local, but well knows both local and white. And the red flower is guns and machine guns. As for the specifically Indian population, I advise you to remember what the villagers wanted to do with the family of Mowgli who sheltered, and their flight to the English was their only salvation. And Kipling saw all this medieval savagery with his own eyes, so he probably would have laughed a lot at the discussion of "noble savages," since nobility comes only with civilization.
  33. Yak28
    Yak28 13 July 2016 06: 26 New
    0
    And in the USSR, almost all cartoons and fairy tales carried the necessary semantic load, somewhere they taught to be honest, somewhere kind, taught mutual assistance, friendship, and so on. But all this was long ago, and today the state hasn’t been engaged in children and our youth will shut up for stupidity for belt any western state. wink I remember how I and many other already adult people in the early 90s watched stupid American cartoons like Tom and Jerry where someone constantly beats someone, and after years people realized that their cartoons are slag
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 July 2016 14: 46 New
      0
      Years later, people clever, learned that "Tom and Jerry" was never a children's cartoon, and was not positioned in such a quality, since the stupidity of cartoons and the mass appearance of cheap cartoons of a childish orientation occurred later, in the era of television, and the classic 30-40 cartoons They were intended to be shown together with ordinary films, but it so happened that basically no one remembers those films, but the cartoons remained.

      And do not be hypocritical, black humor has always been, is and will be.
  34. Alex_59
    Alex_59 13 July 2016 07: 34 New
    +6
    It seems to me the importance of education in such images is exaggerated. The human mind is too complex and unpredictable to respond to such things. I am a prime example of parenting in American cinema and culture. Generation 90's. On Rambo TV, the series is about the heroic American cops on the coffin-shaped Chevrolet Caprice. Transformers, Disney cartoons about the greedy duck of Scrooge (he was still swimming in gold in his huge safe, remember?), Chewing gum, Coca-Cola, leggings, jeans, cooperatives, firms (the word company then used to sound different), working badly - trading is good - trading and other garbage. And this is for more than 10 years at the most "tender" age (1989-2000, I was from 8 to 19 years). It would seem - I'm a ready-made liberal. But somehow it didn’t work out. I go with a portrait of my grandfather in an immortal regiment, I consider the 90 to be a deep relic, I hate Yeltsin, I consider all kinds of "Ekho Moskvy" with Navalny to be parasites and demand industrialization from the state. Somehow the opposite happened. Obviously those who brainwashed me as a child expected a different result. And I'm not the only one.

    But those who ruined the USSR-all brought up by the Soviet system. They all watched Mowgli exactly the Soviet version. All of them were October Revolutionaries, pioneers, Komsomol members. How so?
  35. CONTROL
    CONTROL 13 July 2016 07: 44 New
    0
    OUR cartoon shot by Kipling!
    And in "theirs" cartoon - from Kipling only the name ... Even the plot is very close to the original ...
    All Kipling's work is extremely saturated with chivalry, male charisma (with a solid admixture of romance ...); and - yes !, - awareness of the “white man’s burden” ...
    ---------
    "Artistic" (it is in quotation marks!) The film "The Jungle Book" is a masterpiece of computer graphics! and all ... From Kipling - only the name; And about the "educational tasks" and say no! What else is this for? But what about business? ...
    1. Riv
      Riv 13 July 2016 08: 08 New
      0
      Sorry moa ... You didn’t read Kipling, did you?
  36. taseka
    taseka 13 July 2016 07: 54 New
    +1
    Western oligarchs need a dumb working mass, incapable of analyzing domestic and foreign policies, incapable of rebellion against the ruling elite — these are “sculpted” through a worldview of tolerance and juvenile identity, this is where the soft pederasts are destroyed, masculinity and a knightly act are destroyed - the people of the United States And EUROPE breeding softens like plasticine, and peoples prone to the male tradition of supremacy are distracted by radical politics and wars, thereby destroying the gene pool.
  37. Rust0626
    Rust0626 13 July 2016 08: 06 New
    +5
    As a child, I was fond of science fiction. And now I read a lot, but already because of the craving for reading. I already read serious literature badly, my brains do not work, and it is such reading at night, at dinner all the time.
    I have long noticed a difference in the description of the future Earth between Soviet and foreign, mostly American, writers.
    Soviet writers described the future as the flourishing of justice, the triumph of good, the eradication of all the negativity that is now. American authors describe the future mainly in gloomy tones, when power is seized by villains, people live in slums, etc.
    Perhaps they are more realistic, but if you do not bring up the good in children, then we do not have a normal future.
  38. EvilLion
    EvilLion 13 July 2016 08: 09 New
    -7
    As you have already lifted up your pathological stupidity and the search for ideology wherever possible. One could say a lot about the “Jungle Book” and its adaptation, and not at all what the fermented patriots so want to hear, well, don’t care. Just an article minus.

    And yes, here they’ll remove their “Lion King” or “Ratatouille” in Russia, and it’s not clear to anyone who needs “Jozheg in the Fog”, who supposedly is recognized by critics as something there, or second-class copies of Disney from Mill, then we'll talk about our animation, but for now we are even within the former. the social camps are pale in comparison with Hungary or Yugoslavia. These are fighters we do well and tanks, but there are a lot of things to be proud of, but not cartoons.

    By the way, if the author is not in the know, then the Disney Book of the Jungle was published in the 1967 year, it was practically impossible to get a copy in the USSR, they were seen only if they were professionally associated with animation, and their family members. So they shot it clearly not for our children. Well, by and large, the USSR sent animators to Disney in the pre-war years for an internship, shot the feature film "Missing Letter" in the 45, and somewhere else until the 1960, it gave out something, but then everything came to an end and along the way, they started to drive to Disney. And why? Yes, because to remove a full-length film of good quality, it is VERY much work, much easier, to declare those who are involved in this generation of evil, and to remove the "yoegegs" themselves.
  39. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 13 July 2016 08: 13 New
    +3
    So then, Bagheera and in the original at Kipling is a man ...
  40. de_monSher
    de_monSher 13 July 2016 08: 17 New
    +3
    As far as I remember, at one time a certain high-ranking person said one wonderful phrase (I can be mistaken in the details, as I quote from memory) - "If you want your children to grow up strong, kind and able to love and make friends - let them watch Soviet cartoons" . The name of this person is Carol Joseph Wojtyłabetter known as the pope, John Paul II.
  41. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 13 July 2016 08: 34 New
    +2
    And yet ... the current generation of 40-year-old consumers is brought up on Soviet cartoons of the 70-80s ... the same Mowgli ...
  42. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 July 2016 08: 41 New
    +2
    Exactly. Our cartoons and educated us trusting, with faith in the victory of good and world peace. And then in the 90s, suddenly the secretaries of district and party committees were the first at the trough of privatization. And then they started on the 91st referendum on the preservation of the USSR. And then when our elite got it all, the slogan sounded: “Get rich”, like pick up crumbs from the master's table. And in Afghanistan, suddenly the working peasants turned out to be mujahideen, and the friendship of peoples in the USSR gave such a crack that now it cannot be patched. And now we have to fight for a place in the sun in order to support our family. Life turned out to be a little different than in a beautiful kind fairy tale about justice and faith in the power of light and good.
    1. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 14 July 2016 14: 10 New
      0
      Quote: vladimirvn
      And then they started on the 91st referendum on the preservation of the USSR.

      But what is all for this referendum that clung ??? Or were you still not born and don’t remember how he went and what was he like? Although I was a high school student, I remember everything very well - it’s like earlier elections to the regional committee, when you come to the nearest school and put a cross in front of the name of the only candidate, and then you go to the buffet - he’ll buy a “deficit”! That still democracy ...
      Or as a GKChP. Initially, there were 50 people in the square with banners "FOR THE GKChP" (This is in the province), and a week later in the same square, the same people, with the banners "FOR Yeltsin" ...
      I remember the mood of people at that time, the main idea: "WE FEED !!!" Moreover, in all republics! No one wanted to stay in the USSR! Everyone said: “We live together - shitty (economically), let's try separately, and then ... if anything, we will unite ...” This is at the everyday level, without separatism. Everyone wanted a cooperative and "40 varieties of sausages in the store!" No one wanted to stay in the USSR with the Communist Party !!!
      And now, all this, safely, they have forgotten and they have blamed everything on the elite that has ruined the Union! And the people, like, were against)))
      Funny !!! Where was the people ??? The people of the White House and Yeltsin defended !!! It is a fact!!! Without this, nothing would have happened to him !!!
  43. Old warrior
    Old warrior 13 July 2016 10: 18 New
    +1
    The author is an intellectual, and therefore did not fail to kick "The harsh Soviet reality." But Soviet means the Best. These cartoons will not do at the present time - it’s a pity that the time is different.
    1. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 13 July 2016 16: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Old Warrior
      But Soviet means the Best. These cartoons will not do at the present time - it’s a pity that the time is different.

      Mdya, what’s the best thing besides rockets and tanks?

      And yes, you are apparently completely unfamiliar with modern Russian animation. One "Prince Vladimir" is worth.
  44. Tired
    Tired 13 July 2016 11: 19 New
    +2
    Too superficial and extremely one-sided. Mowgli is based on the work of Kipling and Kipling is an Englishman, like Alexander Milne (author of Winnie the Pooh). Wolves of his Wizard of the Emerald City wrote on the basis of the Wizard of Oz, which was invented by the American Frank Baum. In total, in the serious weight category for children, only Dunno Nikolai Nosov, Uncle Fedor and Cheburashka Eduard Uspensky and Alisa Selezneva Kira Bulychiva. And it is clear that not all of these cartoons. And not all Soviet animation was good, the same Hedgehog in the Fog of Norshtein is essentially the new Black Square of Malevich. As for Disney, the Lion King, Dog and Fox, the Hunchback of Notre Dame are very worthy things. Although not entirely childish. The same can be said of many of Pixar's work. For children, Americans have Theodore Seuss and his Cat in the Hat, Lorax, How the Grinch Stole Christmas. In addition, it’s not Disney who makes films in the United States alone and things like Gravity Falls or Avatar are oriented to a teenage audience and often having one screenwriter for several episodes, sometimes skillfully combine the entertainment part with the educational or educational part. It should also be understood that in general modern animation (both western and eastern) is divided by different age groups, and the same Rick and Morty or the Ghost in the Armor are objectively designed not for children. And this is not to mention the pitch itself. And in My Little Pony and in any Japanese syonen, you can find lessons about how friendship is good and that others need help and generally need to be good and not be bad. But the very presentation of these ideas can not always affect the child and entertaining, and some other elements of the story are needed just to hook the child. I also did not accidentally mention different screenwriters - in animated series, this phenomenon is not uncommon and this affects the quality of individual episodes. As for the terrifying American cartoons that are filmed to turn children into slaves and idiots, these are stories from the same opera as the communist conspiracy to fluoride water in the USA. Finally, I add that a significant part of animated films and animations is done just to make money. This is not good and not bad - people just need to earn money, and therefore marketing and the sociology of the trade direction go into battle.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 13 July 2016 12: 05 New
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      Tired (1) RU Today, 11:19 AM New
      ... Mowgli is based on the work of Kipling and Kipling is an Englishman, like Alexander Milne (author of Winnie the Pooh). Wolves of his Wizard of the Emerald City wrote on the basis of the Wizard of Oz, which was invented by the American Frank Baum.

      As an illustration laughing
      1. Қarabas
        Қarabas 13 July 2016 12: 36 New
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        The funny thing about this picture is that the cartoons are Russian (as it is written), but the characters are all foreign))
  45. Curious
    Curious 13 July 2016 12: 43 New
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    Wonderful analysis and analysis of cartoons. All this is very consistent with my analysis of SW Mowgli. It’s just that I couldn’t explain in such a lucid way the essence and understanding of Mowgli.
    Not so long ago, AV “Mowgli was shown on TV, and the granddaughter got to watch it. After 5-7 minutes of watching, I turned off the TV, found it on the internet and looked at the groove with my granddaughter with pleasure.
    Thanks to the author!
  46. Forever so
    Forever so 13 July 2016 12: 58 New
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    Thanks to the American Mowgli, American firms producing diapers for the military will never have a crisis. Soviet Mowgli cuts the whole business on the vine.
  47. Chaos
    Chaos 13 July 2016 19: 48 New
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    In Soviet times, they raised us with cartoons, cinema, television, radio, newspapers, at work. As a result, the 90s and half of the country came, those educated in the spirit of good went to reetekers, crooks, hired killers, the rest meekly paid tribute, stole, smeared, others poisoned fellow citizens with vodka, rotten foods. The whole country, all people have turned into one big one. Well, what is the role of education ??? yes no. Everyone who was born by that and will at least be educated. The church for centuries could not educate, and educate cartoons? Do not tell my slippers))
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    2. 1536
      1536 14 July 2016 06: 40 New
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      No, still you are wrong, dear. Remember Makarenko, who in his labor colony re-educated the seemingly hopeless juvenile delinquents. Much depends on the environment in which people are located. Yes, now in education a kind of “natural selection” is practiced, when they are ready to merge everyone into one class, and especially “gifted” ones to put them in private schools, where they can give them an education with the money of their parents. At the root is not a true, harmful approach to education. People are divided, behave like in the jungle: "each for himself." Hence all the troubles. Does anyone really think that a boy whose dad is a banker will go to ordinary engineers at a defense plant or to workers at a metallurgical plant, or at a rig? Of course not. Unless by chance he finds himself in some situation in which Mowgli finds himself.
      Therefore, looking at American cartoons, it is necessary to convey to the children that everything in them is built from the opposite - this can not be done in life. And whoever doesn’t understand this, alas, he will also sell fake vodka, or he will buy and drink it himself.
      1. Chaos
        Chaos 14 July 2016 08: 40 New
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        4 puppies were born, and all with different characters, so nature gave. People are part of nature and in one family a coward and a hero can be born. Though educated. a coward will always be a coward, a hero in any environment will be a hero. Human instincts at any education will be above all human values. Not so long ago in the taiga, people ate their friend in order to survive. Where is your upbringing? Someone overseas understands this. But we still can’t enter. In any state, punitive bodies exist for this. That is, the fear of being punished does not allow us to commit crimes, not your upbringing. A person will behave correctly when he is afraid. Go stroking the head of ISIS, rehabilitate.
        1. Maksimov
          Maksimov 15 July 2016 01: 09 New
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          A unique teacher, Chaos, was drawn. The essence of his upbringing: people are cattle that will only behave as needed with the help of a whip and a cage. Plus selective selection. Typical fascism display. ISIS is no longer necessary to educate, it was already raised wrong. Here it just needs to be destroyed, educated late. Do not confuse cause and effect.
          1. Chaos
            Chaos 15 July 2016 14: 50 New
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            Do not smack nonsense. Even the church scares people with hell and apocalypse. Knowing the nature of man can influence humanity. Americans know and influence it. But we are not. Look deep into the problems, not climb the tops.
  48. kadcin-max
    kadcin-max 13 July 2016 19: 53 New
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    About Bagheera ...
    Actually, in the original at Kipling this is a "man." And Bagir’s name in the east is still masculine!
  49. kova_2361
    kova_2361 13 July 2016 20: 55 New
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    you know, because this is nothing new in this article, but the author has done well that revealed the subtext of this film for the current generation. It is possible that not everything is lost if each parent in a place with his children looks at this movie and explains to the child the hidden essence of this creation
  50. 15Bars
    15Bars 14 July 2016 01: 29 New
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    It’s great that the Americans are brought up as slaves ... It will be easier for ours.