"Mowgli" USA and the USSR: What kind of children brings ideology through cartoons

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"Mowgli" USA and the USSR: What kind of children brings ideology through cartoons


Recently I watched the Soviet cartoon "Mowgli" - to be honest, it’s straight. He drew attention to a number of important points that can be called "programming of values." It became interesting, and found in the network the American equivalent of "Mowgli". It's amazing how different these pictures are! And how much different people they bring up!

Players

In the Soviet version (SV), all the characters are charismatic and have their own charisma, unique dynamics, way, while in the American version (AV) all the characters are the same - they move the same, they say the same, they are all jesters.
Due to this, the idea of ​​realizing its own strengths is well traced in the NE.

SV is generally a very deep and emotionally strong cartoon. Here lucidly it is said about friendship, mutual assistance, and everyone in the team plays on its strong side: Kaa does not get involved in a fight, but he is wise and offers strategic solutions (to find a blade, to defeat red dogs); Bagheera is just an ideal of femininity, I would even add - alpha women: she is strong and dangerous and at the same time graceful and gentle, playful and spontaneous, but at the same time savvy and wise (it was she who “settled” the topic with saving Mowgli by giving a mob of a bull in a pack meeting); Balu is a great teacher; Akella is a wise and fair leader; A wolf mother is ready to give her life for a foster child; Sherkhan is strong, fierce and cunning, he does not play by the rules and as a result receives what he deserves for it; The jackal is full of fear and, perhaps, the most disgusting character in the cartoon. All characters are mature, charismatic and clearly see their place in the jungle.

In AV, there is simply no such thing. All characters are equally silly and “funny”. Despite the different plastics, everyone has the same grimaces and emotions. The concept of his path is turned upside down - the monkey wants to become a man, the elephants go about the system, and Mowgli himself can not decide in any way what he should be, whom to imitate. And Bagheera, in general, man!

Atmosphere and concept

In SV, of course, everything is not so colorful ... and harmonious. Severe Soviet realism is perhaps a minus. But this is symbolic in its own way, for it makes it easier to mentally distract and see the essence of the cartoon:

Look for your strengths and find your place in society. The power of friendship, team, the famous “we are with you of the same blood”, cooperation in solving the problem.

Together you can achieve much more than alone. The team is important and useful. Again, respect for individuality. Everyone does what he does best.

Good ultimately triumphs over evil. The cartoon teaches to be honest and strong and play on the light side. For darkness will be defeated necessarily. Often, the characters went to their deaths and were ready to fight to the end for being dear to them, and fate rewarded them for their bravery - the situation was solved either peacefully (as at the council) or in their favor (as at the end of the cartoon).

Bravery and honor are rewarded. Disgrace, cunning and cowardice - punished.

Everyone works: porcupines roll pumpkins, wolves hunt and learn (!), The bear teaches, the leader directs and so on. Conclusion: work - and you will get the result.
In the American cartoon, everyone “lupas” and “steb” each other, and this is like “fun”: the general concept (idea) of a cartoon is just entertaining. The atmosphere of contention, there is no consensus, egoism, everyone acts in his own interests. Idea: sing, dance, “die your needs” - and everything will be fine. At first glance, it is also a good message, a positive one, but this very much looks like agitation for entertainment, not creative work.

The theme of friendship is also in AB. However, there each character wants to get something from Mowgli or impose his point of view. The battle with the tiger at the end is also fun and simple. And Mowgli behaves there very peculiar, but more on that later.

And now the most important thing: the character and his relationship

In the NE Mowgli develops over several series. He more and more reveals his strengths, more and more he understands who he is. He becomes stronger, smarter, faster. He becomes the leader of the pack, and defeats the invasion of enemies, and gets a dagger, and he defeats the tiger with his bare hands.
First, he learns, as befits a child, but soon becomes independent, he makes decisions, he is active, enterprising and savvy. He behaves bravely and holds on with dignity.

In AV Mowgli - the consumer. He is moody and lonely. He cannot find his place in life. Either trying to be a bear, or an elephant, or a neck. The moral seems to be obvious - be a man, who you should be, however, the general emotional background creates precisely the sensation of search and even despair, fueling conflict. And how is it solved? In the end, Mowgli does not make the decision to go to the people himself, but the “sexy girl” is “being led” for not-for-years ...

The whole cartoon is directed, taken care of, controlled by him: the feeling that Mowgli’s choice is who to join, who to trust himself with. Mowgli himself doesn’t decide anything, always decides for him from the very beginning to the very end. Those. set the image of the slave consumer, not an independent person.

In SV Mowgli is sincerely friendly with the characters, helps them, and together they solve some problems. If they are fooling around, they are somehow very kind. All positive characters get along and work in a team, set specific goals and achieve them.

In AV, characters quarrel among themselves, divide Mowgli as if he has no choice (and the truth is simply not there), and everyone wants to satisfy his ego through him. Characters are cowardly, like Mowgli himself. And all the characters are neurotic, hysterical and excessively emotional - they have no essence, a rod, they often change their decisions, inconsistent, in a word rather chaotic and lost.

Mawli himself in the NE respects his brothers, protects them, listens to their wisdom, they support each other and act together.

In AV Mowgli is always lonely, pushes away other characters; the conflict is based on the fact that no one can be trusted.

Final scene

In SV Mowgli grew and turned from a funny full energy boy frog into a handsome, handsome man, decent, strong, experienced. The apogee of his maturity becomes his epic and rather cruel victory over Sher Khan. Mowgli and his brothers come up with a plan and embody it, fight one-on-one with Sher Khan, and even losing a blade in battle, he still triumphs with his bare hands. The final victory, as evidenced by the skin on the stone. Then Mowgli falls in love and realizes that he cannot live forever in the jungle. Then he CAM makes a decision to leave the pack, leave “his high post” for the sake of a new life. The pack says goodbye to him and accepts his choice, finally saying that if something is needed, we are always with you.

Noteworthy is the scene of Mowgli with the girl. First, they are already “adults”. The girl, seeing the gorgeous Mowgli, drops the pitcher and runs off, turning around again and again. She is afraid of him and shows interest. Mowgli himself also runs away and cries on Balu’s chest because a sense of love awakens in him, and he realizes that it’s time to go to the people.

Those. having achieved the maximum in the jungle, the leader of the pack, the winner of the main very cunning enemy, is sent for the sake of love for new heights. Sure, and there he will succeed. Such here story progress and bold advance. The last frame - an adult, strong and strong-willed Mowgli says goodbye to his brothers against the backdrop of the village, moving to a new life.

Now let's see what happens in AB:

Mowgli was a thin boy, and he remained - he did not grow at all, did not evolve in any way. He is a child, just a child - capricious, confused, incredulous and lonely. He is looking for someone else to join - after all, all the “past friends” were deceiving him ...

Then he meets the vultures, and Sher Khan finds HIM. New friends cowardly run away, but Mowgli is not lost and as if not afraid of a fight. Sherkhan as a typical American villain does not immediately gobble up the hero, but decides to talk and play with him. The typical mistake of the villain.

At this point, Balu appears and throws himself into a fight, Mowgli runs away, but then he finds a stick and hits the tiger while he is immobilized, however, when the tiger is released, Mowgli runs away with a cry of “help”. Then RANDOMLY the lightning strikes a tree while Sherkhan distracts the vultures, Mowgli ties a stick to his tail, and Sher Khan cowardly runs away ...

Balu seems to be dying: a weeping scene where a bear listens to Bagheera’s posthumous speech and gets a face from him (!) When everyone finds out that Balu is alive. Then they go to the jungle. But Mowgli saw the girl and decided to consider her. Balu remarks: “Do not go there - all problems are from them” (attitudes towards the other sex). However, Mowgli is not being childish, the girl is hypnotizing with his beautiful eyes, and Mowgli as a result HOW IN TRANSE follows her. The girl drops the pitcher to let Mowgli carry him, and again he is being led and carried. Balu shouts: “Go ahead, go to the jungle!”, But Mowgli shrugs his shoulders and walks, stupefied, after the girl.

Characters sing a song, how cool to live in the jungle - the end.

Just a couple of comments.

In the CB, the basic plans are faces, and there is absolutely no “soft point” in the frame. While in AV it is this part of the body that plays an important role, constantly appearing in the foreground. In the CB, I did not notice frankly stupid characters. In AB - all characters are stupid. Also noteworthy are scenes with elephants - one is similar in behavior to a zombie and constantly eats; in another scene - “back view”, in the third - a hysterical wife yells at the arrogant husband.

Total

The Soviet cartoon brings up a strong, courageous, brave, sharp-witted independent person who sets goals and achieves them. Uses the power of the team. It takes into account the strengths of allies and enemies, and acts boldly and effectively. The model of relationships is a strong, confident male leader capable of deep passionate feelings. The boy’s role is to become a man.

American cartoon brings up a slave. A capricious suspicious consumer, prone to neurosis and loneliness, distrustful and deceived. Which is always led by someone. Who does not know his strengths, does not make plans, does not make decisions. They always decide for him, they lead him. In the end, it turns out that he is not the main character at all, but the main characters are a light-hearted bear and Bagheera the muzhik who rule the ball in the jungle.
And by the way, with regards to humor. Humor allows you to not perceive information is critical and expand the scope of what is permitted: this is a joke, this is normal. Therefore, to give installations and images very well precisely through humor.

When a child is watching a cartoon, he still has very little of his experience to decide what is normal and what is not. When he sees that in the cartoon the characters behave in some way, and no one condemns them - the child accepts this pattern of behavior as the norm. And he models in his life what he sees. A child watching a Soviet cartoon will think that courage and honor are normal, setting goals and achieving them is normal, fighting and winning is normal. To be the creator and author of your destiny is normal.

A child watching an American cartoon will think that when you are controlled, this is normal, betrayal and loneliness are normal, neurotic and capriciousness is normal. Being a consumer is normal.

And now think that you and your children (yours, nephews, brothers and sisters) are watching. What images do they see? What behaviors for them will become normal? What will they embody in their lives? And what do you embody yourself?

This is education, this is education. Today, they watch Disney cartoons, tomorrow they listen to pop music, and the day after tomorrow, their ideals and values ​​acquire a selfish and consumer color characteristic of Western culture. Everything is more serious than it seems. Ignoring the problem, we do not leave it, but simply transfer power to those who do not refuse it, that's all. Through information - movies, cartoons, music, programs, games, and so on - imposing patterns of behavior desired by someone. This especially affects children. So beware. Create a bright, strong, brave, honest. Filter information flows for yourself and, above all, for your children.
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  1. +73
    12 July 2016 21: 38
    It's simple: in ours - a handsome man! A potential opponent has an imbecile half-dumb. All the girls in my class had "our" Mowgli on their diaries ...! In the fifth or sixth grade, I envied him ... am Then, pumped up, hit the sport, got a tan and, away we go .... feel
    1. +89
      12 July 2016 21: 55
      In the USSR, cartoons carried an educational function, and in the USA - stupidly entertaining, with elements of cunning and meanness. We have a concern for the younger generation, they have a box office.
      As there is in Russian folk tales - a fairy tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it, a lesson for good fellows. But are there any American folk tales in general? And what's the lesson?
      1. +50
        12 July 2016 22: 28
        Quote: Reserve officer
        In the USSR, cartoons carried an educational function, and in the USA - stupidly entertaining, with elements of cunning and meanness. We have a concern for the younger generation, they have a box office.
        As there is in Russian folk tales - a fairy tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it, a lesson for good fellows. But are there any American folk tales in general? And what's the lesson?


        I just recently re-read a book of American fairy tales. laughing I will tell you this way: All or almost all the tales about how to deceive another, how to get your own by deceit and cunning ..)) It is surprisingly simple! request
        "The Tales of Uncle Remus"
        1. +46
          12 July 2016 23: 28
          Quote: karabas
          I just recently re-read a book of American fairy tales.

          ... for Children or Adults? ... in the USSR Cartoons were over-age ... one of which is "Hedgehog in the Fog" ... hi
          1. +6
            12 July 2016 23: 42
            Inok10, for children like) I wrote "Uncle Remus's Tales" below. They are only for children, there seems to be no edition for adults)
          2. +3
            13 July 2016 07: 25
            There was also a strong cartoon "Dandelion". About true and false values.
          3. ICT
            +9
            13 July 2016 07: 31
            Quote: Inok10
            ... in the USSR Cartoons were over-age ...




            they’ll not remove anything like that now


            1. +5
              13 July 2016 18: 50
              This is already a classic.
              The film is recognized as “the best animated film of all time” according to the results of an international survey conducted by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts together with ASIFA-Hollywood, Los Angeles (USA), 1984, even there they appreciated it .. Yes
            2. 0
              15 July 2016 19: 59
              Quote: TIT
              they’ll not remove anything like that now

              I love this cartoon, the Americans certainly don’t understand:
        2. +13
          13 July 2016 06: 24
          Қarabas
          I just recently re-read a book of American fairy tales laughing. I will tell you this: All or almost all of the tales about how to deceive another, how to get your own by deceit and cunning ..)) It's amazingly simple! request
          "The Tales of Uncle Remus"


          I have not read "The Tales of Uncle Remus", but if we take, for example, the Cartoon King of Animals (simba), then we see that the heroes, positive and negative, are clearly expressed. the main character begins his journey as a kid and then turns into a carefree youth. which is all Hakuna Matata. in the end, our hero grows up mentally and physically, takes revenge on the villain who killed his father and returns justice to the savannah and also finds a mate, female.

          It seems quite worthy and instructive plot.

          I try to carefully choose cartoons which by the way then with pleasure I watch with my 5 year old son. among them are both Soviet and American.
          1. +14
            13 July 2016 07: 49
            Quote: Maki Avellievich
            I try to carefully choose cartoons which by the way then with pleasure I watch with my 5 year old son. among them are both Soviet and American.


            The correct approach, I think) And Soviet, and American, and European, and Japanese, and so on - among all there are wonderful cartoons. From the American ones, take at least the Disney cartoon "Petya and the Wolf" based on the symphonic tale of the same name by Sergei Prokofiev, which can awaken a child's interest in music. Or the kind Japanese cartoons by Hayao Miyazaki, or the wonderful Soviet "Winnie the Pooh", "Treasure Island", "About Vova Sidorov", etc., or the Czech cartoon about the little witch, 1986.
            1. +1
              13 July 2016 10: 13
              American "Mowgli" is a special case and probably not the best one. A lot of wonderful cartoons were shot in the USA, I will name a few: "Bambi", "The Lion King", "Shrek", "Keepers of Dreams", "Ice Age-1", "Zootopia". In all these cartoons, you will find the upbringing of a strong, brave, brave, savvy and independent person who sets goals and achieves them, there is friendship and self-sacrifice and responsibility. They are made simply and clearly, and at the same time the most important thing is conveyed. Our "Mowgli" is a wonderful cartoon, one of my favorites, but few of them have been done. Now they do not do them at all, "Three heroes" I do not consider - the same crap as the American "Mowgli". Therefore, it is incorrect to compare one cartoon, look wider ...
              1. +4
                13 July 2016 10: 31
                I agree, it is impossible to draw conclusions on the basis of one example, and if the article is devoted to only two animated films, then I think the author was very hooked.
                For example, we forbade children to show "Well, wait a minute," but about the evil girl Masha, whom all pets are afraid of, please ...
              2. +2
                13 July 2016 19: 55
                I agree with the author. There are many moments that we, as not psychologists, may not see. Regarding "Shrek", google, there are opinions of our psychologists about the harmfulness of this cartoon. And in general, American.
              3. CAM
                +5
                14 July 2016 14: 12
                shrek and the ice age are vulgar, it is in these cartoons of the so-called humor instills negative behavior. review the shrek, but more closely, the behavior of the main characters and the article re-read. and indeed, Hollywood recently with his moronic humor, covering up stupidity and baseness, got it.
                1. +1
                  14 July 2016 16: 40
                  And where is the vulgarity, let me ask you? Yes, there are jokes, perhaps ambiguous, but not at all vulgar. I think the cartoon should be joking, it carries not only an instructive function, but also an entertaining one, and there is nothing wrong with that if moments are inserted into the main plot line that allow you to relax. And in shrek and in the ice age, the main characters show positive qualities in the end, they defeat the bad, become good themselves, make friends, love and not at all through deception, but thanks to just those qualities that are appreciated in a person: friendship, resourcefulness, courage , responsibility and other things. And do not indiscriminately criticize the whole of Western culture, not everything is bad there.
                  1. +3
                    15 July 2016 15: 18
                    Shrek has no toll? Transvestite in a cartoon for children is this normal? Farting is probably the same, and the donkey and the dragon mate without problems! These are all normality settings filed in a game form. Do we want this kind of normality for our children?
              4. +2
                15 July 2016 11: 32
                I strongly disagree with you! Modern cartoons produced by the Melnitsa studio are very good in all respects. Including in terms of education. The last one (which I know about) is "Fortress". An excellent cartoon about the Polish invasion. Handsome and patriotic. But not cash, because we now hold another in high esteem, as the author of the article writes.
              5. +2
                15 July 2016 17: 38
                Chago ?! yes the same "Tom and Jerry", all this is enough, although there are you listed. The main thing in American films and cartoons is INDIVIDUALISM - there should be one GG, and he should not have ANY "wrong" connections, the only film where the Brotherhood is preached is "Police Academy"! But even here the problem is - the producer (and in the USA he is more important than the director), who shot all the episodes of the film was RUSSIAN ...
            2. +1
              15 July 2016 17: 30
              I said long ago. "After 1980, there is no normal cinema, and if it did appear, it was simply as a confirmation of this thesis." (from)
              I don’t know about cartoons
          2. 0
            13 July 2016 08: 29
            Quote: Maki Avellievich
            but if we take for example the Multfilm King of the Beasts (Simba) then we see that the heroes are positive and negative are clearly expressed. the protagonist begins his journey as a kid and then turns into a carefree young man. which for all Akuna Matata. in the end, our hero grows up mentally and physically, takes revenge on the villain who killed his father and returns justice to the savannah and also finds a mate, a female.

            It seems quite worthy and instructive plot.

            That's just where the Main Characters are Pubma and Simon, it was about them, in the future, they shot the series ...
        3. +5
          13 July 2016 08: 27
          Quote: karabas
          Tales of Uncle Remus

          I have not re-read it since childhood, but I remember this muddy Brother-Rabbit)))
          1. 0
            13 July 2016 08: 42
            Quote: AllXVahhaB
            muddy Brother-Rabbit)))

            That's for sure)))
        4. +8
          13 July 2016 08: 45
          Quote: karabas
          I just recently re-read a book of American fairy tales. laughing I will tell you this way: All or almost all the tales about how to deceive another, how to get your own by deceit and cunning ..)) It is surprisingly simple! request
          "The Tales of Uncle Remus"

          ... you read it a little!
          "The Adventures of Homer Price" (Robert McLossky), for example ...
          America has become what it has been - from its very foundation!
          The Spaniards and the Portuguese, for example, having met the Indians, began to decide the question - are these people or not? Tip catholic priests gave a definite solution: yes, people! (Which in the future did not stop the Spaniards and the Portuguese from robbing them in vain ...)
          Council english protestant priests decided: no, the Indians are not people! a kind of "God's creatures" ... So they are preyed like game - on a par with buffalo, wolves and foxes ... Only instead of a skin - a scalp and ears ... And so far! ...
          1. +1
            14 July 2016 19: 28
            Oh to the root right to the target. And the advertisements are now just scamming your neighbor and around are not potential scalp people.
          2. 0
            14 July 2016 19: 48
            Commodity nomenclature of foreign economic activity (TNVED) - the bible of customs officers and traders

            9503 00 810 0 - 9503 00 990 0
            These subheadings include humanoid creaturesfor example, characters in a movie, fairy tale or book, Indians, astronauts or soldiers without moving parts and without removable clothing, installed on a base, platform or similar base, which does not allow changing their location without external influences.
            and there is
            9503 00 210 0– dolls depicting only people, their parts and accessories

            and this forms the old customs joke - that "Indians, astronauts and soldiers are not people", just as "chocolate candies" differ from "chocolate candies"

            Comes from GATT and other trade items
            ZY Duty on depicting people -7,5%, on depicting non-humans -10% (due to high demand)
        5. 0
          13 July 2016 16: 08
          Quote: karabas
          a book of American fairy tales laughing I will tell you this: All or almost all of the tales about how to deceive another, how to get your own by deceit and cunning ..)) It is amazingly simple! request
          "The Tales of Uncle Remus"

          So this, incidentally, is the tale of American blacks - if that. Not white. The mentality is different.
        6. +1
          14 July 2016 19: 22
          In my opinion, there are no American fairy tales in principle. Anglo-Naglosaxonian seem to be present. About the Mexican-American did not hear. Name at least one character. Although there was some kind of turkey.
        7. 0
          15 July 2016 19: 55
          Quote: karabas
          I just recently re-read a book of American fairy tales.

          What, fairy tales have appeared ?! Are they moving away from comics? Progress!
          Here it is interesting, the Americans watched "Morozko" ("Jack Frost" in the English version):
          http://fishki.net/1212228-otzyvy-amerikancev-na-izvestnuju-sovetskuju-skazku-mor
          ozko.html

          Here, too, cool and not so harsh:
          https://www.babyblog.ru/community/post/books/1699815
      2. +17
        12 July 2016 23: 38
        Quote: Reserve officer
        In the USSR, cartoons carried an educational function, and in the USA - stupidly entertaining, with elements of cunning and meanness.

        That's all the author says correctly, but he misses one thing, the main IMAGE for children is parents, and if parents have time for children, then no animated cartoons will reformat it.
      3. +1
        13 July 2016 00: 48
        Quote: Reserve officer
        But are there any American folk tales in general? And what's the lesson?

        I didn’t read American fairy tales, I didn’t happen like that, but I know a couple of cartoons, Cars and Airplanes, I don’t even know how children relate to them, but I really like feel
      4. +11
        13 July 2016 07: 26
        Quote: Reserve officer
        In the USSR, cartoons carried an educational function, and in the USA - stupidly entertaining.

        but there were cartoons in the USSR that weren’t just showing children, but adults too. the psychedelic is still that. Here is an example about the GOOD MAGIC EHE
        1. +1
          13 July 2016 07: 55
          and the wizard was brought down by ss20-satan 100% winked
        2. +3
          13 July 2016 20: 07
          a good cartoon, teaches the right thing, and allows you to expand your consciousness without any additional substances :), so I don’t agree about the psychedelic ... it’s most likely to Western musicians :)
      5. +3
        13 July 2016 07: 40
        Quote: Reserve officer
        In the USSR, cartoons carried an educational function, and in the USA - stupidly entertaining, with elements of cunning and meanness. We have a concern for the younger generation, they have a box office.

        You are mistaken, the American cartoon carries a destructive function that destroys the Personality, this is the main motive of the creators. In the USSR, a Man was brought up, in the USA he was not allowed to take place. Even then, the goals of the Globalizers were clearly visible. And the box office did not depend on the true goals of this or that tape, people hawk everything indiscriminately, if only there was a "drive" and a "juicy picture", it is the unconscious that brings up effectively ...
        1. 0
          13 July 2016 20: 08
          I support your opinion entirely, I already commented on this a little higher
      6. -18
        13 July 2016 09: 25
        Quote: Reserve officer
        In the USSR, cartoons carried an educational function

        You, you see, have grown up on our Lasharik. They absorbed his educational and ideological function.
      7. 0
        13 July 2016 16: 49
        Quote: Reserve officer
        In the USSR, cartoons carried an educational function, and in the USA - stupidly entertaining, with elements of cunning and meanness. We have a concern for the younger generation, they have a box office.

        Well, not everything is so simple - there are also many good cartoons in the USA. "Duck Tales" or "Chip and Dale" can definitely be given to children to watch.
        And you won’t believe - they also have educational films, which are not the same as in the USSR / Russia, but very hard, I would even say cruel, but it is their viewing that works better than any propaganda.
        The clearest example of such a film is "Requiem for a Dream" - it is a must for every teenager to watch. In short - after looking through it to the end, a person perfectly (almost on himself) realizes to which bottom the drugs are brought, how it all begins and what a terrible dr-o-o-o-o. I repeat - the film is very tough, but this is the best anti-drug propaganda I've seen - oddly enough made in the USA ...
        1. 0
          13 July 2016 20: 12
          Well, is Chip and Dale generally not quite adequate, or am I wrong? children should not be allowed to watch this under any circumstances. if you think I'm wrong, ask real psychologists.
      8. +2
        13 July 2016 17: 50
        There was such a Pope John Paul 2. So he said, "Show your children only Soviet cartoons and no others!"
      9. +2
        13 July 2016 20: 35
        Quote: Reserve officer
        But are there any American folk tales in general?

        Of course, all American peoples have their own tales: the Iroquois, Cherokee, Sioux, Apache, Shauni and others, and others, and others ...
      10. +6
        13 July 2016 22: 25
        Quote: Reserve officer
        In the USSR, cartoons carried an educational function, and in the USA - stupidly entertaining, with elements of cunning and meanness. We have care for the younger generation, they have a box office.

        And here you are wrong !!!
        Americans have long been pursuing a state policy to eradicate human social values. And the main emphasis is on children's education. their cartoons directly (and sometimes indirectly through the use of special technologies) act on the nursery. the author wrote the psyche very well and I won’t repeat it. I want to add only what I concluded after watching the masterpieces of their animation.
        Firstly, the complete eradication of family values ​​from the child’s mind. I’ll give you the most famous example - the cartoon beauty and the beast, the scene when GG runs dancing along the street is all beautiful and runs past a pig-like aunt who swears with a man holding a whole brood of very unattractive children in her arms. the scene takes literally seconds. but that’s enough to put aside in a child’s head that motherhood is bad - you will be the same fat pig with the same problems.
        what is needed in order to make from a plebs a completely dumb herd of sheep which they will cut and they, as in that advertisement about Chicken legs, will be happy about this. It is necessary to kill the institution of the family. because only the instinct of protecting your home and your children from a ruminant can make a tigress from a mother of a sheep and from a father a cold-blooded killer, whom no social prohibitions can stop. this is the way we now see that there is a substitution of family values. already now they don’t call dad there dad and mom mom. and a picture of a wonderful pair of two bearded men in thongs with children in their arms is projected into the brains of the layman.
        By the way, we are also brainwashed. the same series teach us the idea that pedagogy is not so bad. yes, they are not at all the main characters and generally in third roles, but they are, and their characters are usually spelled out much better than the main characters. (TV series "Kitchen" - French cake-maker, series "Don't be born beautiful" French fashion designer, Interns - there is even cooler there is a very positive hero - AMERICAN and not at all nedik, but he has two dads and no mothers.)
        now internet comics are milftun. I think all members of the forum know what teenage hyper interest in the forbidden and alluring is. and so there (well, on the internet) waiting for smell but this is garbage you say, we all grow and mature, and so on. however, there is one caveat. norn-comics and the main theme in it - INSCEST. it is literally planted, beautiful pictures with magnificent drawing. and the meaning of a simple mother is either blRT, or a preoccupied nympho who wants a man so much that her son will go. or even a complete fool. And father is an alcoholic or a complete sucker. or even a loser in life. I used to be very surprised when I watched American films where, once again, GG had a hidden childhood injury caused by a rapist by his father. I thought it was from squalor, while I didn’t get into the development of the case of incest. This is some kind of transdean.
        So, dear fathers and mothers, watch your children closely for what they are watching and what they are doing. most importantly, remember that a person is formed only at sixteen - eighteen years old, and parental control is not an empty word.
    2. +28
      12 July 2016 21: 57
      Quote: ALABAY45
      It's simple: in ours - handsome! A potential opponent has an imbecile half-fool.

      At the risk of being minuscule, each concept was designed for its own viewer. And what is most sad, the 20-year propaganda has borne fruit, today's children are more willing to watch AV "Mowgli", you need to think less there. request
      1. +19
        12 July 2016 22: 19
        Vladimir]
        At the risk of being minuscule, each concept was developed for its own viewer. And the saddest thing is that 20-year propaganda has borne fruit, today's children are more willing to watch AV "Mowgli", there you need to think less.
        You're right. Think less, eat more chips.
        Personally, I have tears from this cartoon. No, I'm not crying, I'm upset ...
        1. +29
          12 July 2016 22: 28
          Quote: sabakina
          Personally, I have tears from this cartoon.

          I like this one more. And he, by the way, is also, to some extent, propagandistic. Yes
          1. +8
            12 July 2016 22: 47
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Quote: sabakina
            Personally, I have tears from this cartoon.

            I like this one more. And he, by the way, is also, to some extent, propagandistic. Yes

            Yes, there is one, but it is about the Amerian essence, I was brought up on this:
            1. 0
              13 July 2016 00: 05
              Well, many said that we couldn't shoot cartoons like "anime". EVERYONE could, and can do a lot! I liked the cartoon! good
            2. +5
              13 July 2016 00: 55
              Quote: sabakina
              Yes, there is one, but it is about the Amerian essence, I was brought up on this:

              belay stop stop stop! EDUCATED? or brought up?
              1. +2
                14 July 2016 10: 14
                =) I also drew attention to this ... And here's another: "I risk being minus ..."
                So it seems Sobakina is a man. I’m sorry, I’m not personally acquainted, I didn’t want to offend anyone. Often I saw all kinds of roses in the address of Sobakina, and here on you, such a turn ...
                midivan, we pretended that you did not give Sobakin’s flower.
                Good day!
        2. +1
          13 July 2016 00: 52
          Quote: sabakina
          Personally, I have tears from this cartoon. No, I'm not crying, I'm upset ...

          smile at the man is upset, and you and cry Mona (not shameful) love
        3. +2
          13 July 2016 02: 45
          but I can’t find a Soviet cartoon, about the 50s, "Ruslan and Lyudmila", the search engine offers either an x ​​/ film from 1972 or remakes.
          A very catchy start:
          At the seashore, the oak is green;
          The golden chain on the oak is that:
          And day and night a cat scientist
          Everything goes around the chain;
          Goes to the right - the song starts,
          To the left - a fairy tale says.
          There are miracles: there the goblin wanders,
          The mermaid sits on the branches;
          There on unknown paths
          Traces of unseen beasts;
          The hut is there on chicken legs
          It is without windows, without doors;
          There the forest and the dale of the visions are full;
          There will come waves about dawn
          On the shore is sandy and empty,
          And thirty fine heroes
          The dark out of the waters are clear,
          And with them their uncle is marine;
          There the prince in passing
          Captures the terrible king;
          There in the clouds before the people
          Through forests, across the seas
          The sorcerer carries a hero;
          In prison there is a princess tuzhit,
          And the brown wolf serves her faithfully;
          There is a stupa with Baba Yaga
          Goes, wanders by itself;
          There King Kashchei wilts over gold;
          There is a Russian spirit ... there it smells of Rus!
          And there I was, and I drank honey;
          I saw a green oak by the sea;
          There was a scientist under it, and a cat
          He told me his tales.
          One I remember: this fairy tale
          Now I tell the light ...
          1. +1
            13 July 2016 03: 56
            DrZed RU Today, 02:45 ↑ New
            but I can’t find a Soviet cartoon, about the 50s, "Ruslan and Lyudmila", the search engine offers either an x ​​/ film from 1972 or remakes.

            There is no such cartoon. There is a feature film.
            But the introduction to Alexander Pushkin's poem "Ruslan and Lyudmila" begins the cartoon "The Tale of the Fisherman and the Fish".
            (Soyuzmultfilm-1950) hi
            1. 0
              13 July 2016 06: 21
              many thanks hi
              but it’s not quite that
              1. 0
                13 July 2016 11: 41
                DrZed RU Today, 06:21 ↑ New
                thanks a lot hi
                but it’s not quite that

                I am glad to help, but alas, the fragment of the poem you quoted (and so remembered cartoon) is a prologue to the film "The Tale of the Fisherman and the Fish". This fragment is posted on the Internet separately (Lukomorye has a green oak 03:04).
        4. 0
          13 July 2016 14: 31
          I am already over forty, and "The Girl and the Dolphin" left indelible experiences in my childhood memory. And until now, when I hear a song from a cartoon goosebumps run through my body.
      2. +2
        12 July 2016 23: 41
        Quote: Vladimirets
        today's children are more willing to watch AV "Mowgli", they need to think less there

        American cinema is entertaining, and Russian is teaching, and having fun is more fun than learning.
    3. +2
      13 July 2016 00: 39
      Quote: ALABAY45
      In the fifth or sixth grade, I envied him ... Then, pumped up, hit the sport, tanned and, away we go ....

      judging by how Mowgli started, you began to envy laughing
    4. 0
      13 July 2016 08: 43
      And if the diaries of the girls had Mowgli from the American version, then ... this is a completely different Istria =).
    5. +5
      13 July 2016 09: 32
      Quote: ALABAY45
      It's simple: in ours - handsome! Potential opponent - imbecile half-fool

      Just a couple of days ago with my son I watched a new film by Mowgli of mattress production ... I killed the question of my son, who watched our cartoon and read the PAPA book, AND WHY THEY LIED, EVERYTHING IN THE BOOK EVERYTHING WAS NOT AT ALL THIS.
      The evil Sharkhan killed Akela, Balu is such a thieving swindler with signs of a complete parasite, Bagheera is a panther, but, forgive the male. In the film, they even stuck the monkey king Louis (from Miracles on bends), more like King Kong, and a boa constrictor KAA, not only was she a female, he also wanted to devour Mowgli.
      At the same time, Mowgli killed Sharkhan, being a boy of 7-8 years old.
      Generally horror. The son concluded a film full of nonsense and lies.
      1. +1
        14 July 2016 21: 09
        To argue that the cartoon is bad or good and that it is he who programs the children's consciousness is easy. But for me it’s just nonsense on the basis of which we parents are trying to justify my avoidance of participation in raising a child. Because it is precisely to us and the teacher that the child will go on to clarify the contentious issue and the plot itself, and here it all depends on us. The main thing is not to shrug it off - so that you don’t speak with a sour mine, that it’s like a cartoon to blame

        P / S. Think only before the word BLUE did not cause a negative - now it’s a complete PPC - we ourselves are led to a foreign culture and still want to protect our children from it — so can we start with ourselves?
  2. Tim
    +13
    12 July 2016 21: 39
    Amerikosov cartoons for children are good and bad, but yes our USSR and Russian are not enough laughing
    1. +6
      12 July 2016 22: 03
      Quote: Tima
      Amerikosov cartoons for children are good and bad, but yes our USSR and Russian are not enough laughing


      In general, yes, we can agree with you. But there are also pleasant exceptions. Only one animated series "Masha and the Bear" is worth something. By the way, it is popular not only in our country. The ratings of the channels showing all the dregs for the "average viewer" are falling. And these are losses. Countermeasures are needed. Up to the point that Israel (albeit according to our media reports) launched a whole campaign against this cartoon. In short - a lonely Russian child needs attention, but everyone doesn't care about him, because in Russia they don't like children ...
      So here is the information war.
      1. +7
        12 July 2016 22: 50
        Quote: Reserve officer
        Only one animated series "Masha and the Bear" is worth something. By the way, it is popular not only in our country.

        Masha and the Bear have one interesting political (or maybe not) subtext. On an abandoned car there is a sign in the Russian version - Moscow-Beijing, in the English version - Moscow-Alaska.
        1. Alf
          +11
          12 July 2016 22: 58
          Quote: igordok
          Masha and the Bear have one interesting political (or maybe not) subtext. On an abandoned car there is a sign in the Russian version - Moscow-Beijing, in the English version - Moscow-Alaska.

          Not only. The Bear’s house is full of SOVIET things, starting with the TV, the pig’s player and the refrigerator. And the Wolves (the orderlies of the forest) go exactly on the Loaf, and not on any Mercedes.
      2. +7
        12 July 2016 23: 54
        The animated series "Masha and the Bear" alone is worth something


        And what's interesting: it divides adults into two categories.
        The first category (hopefully smaller): "Yes, there Masha behaves very abnormally. My child looks at this cartoon, so immediately ...". "Yes, this cartoon teaches children only bad things." "Look at Masha's behavior ...". And so on.
        Category two (hopefully large): they don't just watch a cartoon, but also bring up their children using the example of Masha's behavior ("you can't do this, but this is very good").
        1. +1
          13 July 2016 01: 03
          Quote: Mowgli
          And what's interesting: it divides adults into two categories.
          The first category (hopefully smaller): "Yes, there Masha behaves very abnormally.

          well, there’s a third category, probably, personally, from Masha’s laughter, my hair stands on end, well, the feeling arises that it was whipped up, although it is spelled out
        2. 0
          13 July 2016 07: 14
          Quote: Mowgli
          The first category (hopefully smaller): "Yes, there Masha behaves very abnormally. My child looks at this cartoon, so immediately ...". "Yes, this cartoon teaches children only bad things." "Look at Masha's behavior ...". And so on.
          Category two (hopefully large): they don't just watch a cartoon, but also bring up their children using the example of Masha's behavior ("you can't do this, but this is very good").

          My daughter really liked this cartoon, and I would not say that she began to get mad after watching. In general, his influence seems to me to be exaggerated. The daughter at one time demanded this cartoon constantly, then she had seen enough and now does not want to see him at all.
          1. 0
            13 July 2016 08: 04
            My daughter really liked this cartoon, and I would not say that she began to get mad after watching. In general, his influence seems to me to be exaggerated.


            So the fact of the matter is that normal children perceive the cartoon only as a cartoon. No more.
            There are simply such children ... Here, as you know, everything depends on the parents. Oranges will not be born from aspen.


            The daughter ... had seen enough and now does not want to see him at all.


            Everything is correct. Bored one and the same.
            And there are many good and different cartoons. There is a choice.
  3. 0
    12 July 2016 21: 42
    Each country has its own vision of life.
    Ours filmed for us, the Americans - for them.
    1. +10
      12 July 2016 22: 28
      In our cartoons they continue to carry thoughts about traditional values ​​(good-evil, courage, ...)
      What are the trends with the Americans I will not say but ...
      What are the new characters of Europe, the hair stands on end. I will not list it - disgusting.
  4. +8
    12 July 2016 21: 50
    Well, what do you want, if for them in case of danger it is like a covenant: "we save our zi ..." ... So this part of the body flickers. Morality for them is unknown. IMHO
  5. +10
    12 July 2016 21: 56
    Look at the American cartoon from the 60s Rocky and Bullwinkle, there dangerous Russian spies Boris and Natasha are trying to kill the Rocky and the Elk squirrel. And so they showed the children ... Brainwashing and propaganda from early childhood.
    1. +8
      12 July 2016 22: 29
      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
      And so they showed the children ..

      In "Tom and Jerry", in one of the old episodes, Russians are also met: in the form of a grinning, flailing bulldog-cosmonaut, of course with a red star on his helmet. Well, at the moment the cat Tom meets this "fellow countryman" in space "Kalinka" is playing.
  6. +16
    12 July 2016 21: 57
    Well, what cartoons to show the younger generation.
    The elder siblings on Selarmune grew up, it was not possible to go through the market if something could not be bought for attributes. They grew up, impudent and militant.
    My and younger and younger tribes, Luntik pancake are polite in conversations, and Masha with copper bears - a spark is a smart ass laughing It’s real that it’s not these ... cartoons that are released. laughing
    Until that time, I was killing time stupidly, I remember Tom and Jerry, and rather a scrupulous cartoon about Myshkovitsa, there are Cossacks cats .... laughing
    What Mosfilm what else ... in credits. laughing
    I consider Star-Treked This is the Adventure of Captain Vrungel, Treasure Island and about Aibolit, but this is a Kievnauch movie.
    1. +7
      12 July 2016 23: 11
      Forgive me, but the cartoon about the skeleton of treasures is just entertaining. True with a bias about the evil of tobacco smoking and excessive consumption of rum.
      1. +5
        12 July 2016 23: 23
        Quote: sabakina
        Forgive me, but the cartoon about the skeleton of treasures is just entertaining. True with a bias about the evil of tobacco smoking and excessive consumption of rum.

        Do not they clearly explain to the younger generation.
        This is the opposite of Jim Jung.
      2. +2
        13 July 2016 01: 13
        Quote: sabakina
        Forgive me, but the cartoon about the skeleton of treasures is just entertaining. Truth with a bias about the evil of smoking and excessive consumption of rum

        laughing I don’t know how the Ministry of Health or the cartoon warns, so Dad warned me in the class at 5m, so I only lit up with my mother after the army, and before the army I ate all the wormwood around the house (so that it didn’t stink), but the Batey was gone when I was 16
  7. -7
    12 July 2016 21: 58
    Today they watch Disney cartoons, tomorrow they listen to pop music, and the day after tomorrow their ideals and values ​​acquire the selfish and consumeristic coloring characteristic of Western culture. More serious than it seems.

    Passed already, I do not believe recourse
    1. -3
      12 July 2016 22: 08
      Answer minus laughing
      1. +8
        12 July 2016 22: 41
        Go to America, they are waiting for you there.
        1. -5
          12 July 2016 22: 58
          Quote: akula
          Go to America, they are waiting for you there.

          But I don’t need to go there, I want to go to Odessa Mom smile



          1. 0
            13 July 2016 17: 57
            Quote: Dym71
            Quote: akula
            Go to America, they are waiting for you there.

            But I don’t need to go there, I want to go to Odessa Mom smile


            And who is stopping you?
            1. 0
              13 July 2016 19: 39
              Quote: Wend
              And who is stopping you?


              Dill Allergy.
    2. +3
      12 July 2016 22: 18
      Quote: Dym71
      Passed already, I do not believe

      Do you seriously believe that? belay
      1. -4
        12 July 2016 22: 31
        What is it?
        The fact that as one we die in the struggle for this?
        Please specify. hi
        1. -2
          12 July 2016 22: 33
          Quote: Dym71
          What is it?

          About jazz and homeland.
          1. +1
            12 July 2016 22: 44
            Quote: Vladimirets
            About jazz and homeland.

            I believe that I persecuted people for jazz, my parents for rock'n'roll, shake and twist, me for HMR - everything was explained as the corrupting influence of the West and anti-Soviet and survived no one sold their homeland.
            1. +2
              12 July 2016 22: 47
              Quote: Dym71
              I believe that I persecuted people for jazz, my parents for rock'n'roll, shake and twist, me for HMR - everything was explained as the corrupting influence of the West and anti-Soviet and survived no one sold their homeland.

              Sorry, I decided it wasn’t banter. hi
              1. 0
                12 July 2016 22: 53
                Quote: Vladimirets
                Sorry, I decided it wasn’t banter.

                Yes, nothing, I didn’t explain it well, I thought that the smile laughing that's enough.
                1. +2
                  12 July 2016 23: 21
                  Dym71
                  But I don’t need to go there, I want to go to Odessa Mom

                  I do not advise.
                  1. +7
                    12 July 2016 23: 50
                    What did you dislike about this video?
                    Flies? laughing Or gypsy saleswomen? request

                    In the comments on this video, I found a cool joke:
                    Odessa, "Privoz", fish range:
                    - Bitch !!! Bitch !!!
                    Arriving:
                    - That's right - the "bulls."
                    - That's right - “Neogobius fluviatilis”, and your dad was bullfighting when you were a kid when I was selling pests.
                    1. +1
                      13 July 2016 00: 25
                      Quote: Dym71
                      What did you dislike about this video?

                      Yes! This is not an oriental bazaar where they grab you by the hem of your bathrobe and ask to buy! This is the Russian Orthodox market of the city, which was founded by Catherine II.
                      What am I wrong about? Merchants in Russia / in Russia were honorable and authoritative.
                      1. +1
                        13 July 2016 00: 50
                        Quote: sabakina
                        What am I wrong?


                        Probably that you see the Russian Orthodox market without the same gypsies, or maybe that you represent the honorable and reputable merchants at the counter? request
                        In the comments to the video that you posted, find BearGrizzly25 - everything is clear in his posts.
                      2. +1
                        13 July 2016 01: 58
                        sabakina (7) RU Today, 00:25 ↑
                        ... This is not an oriental bazaar where you are seized by the hem of your dressing gown and asked to buy!
                        ... This is the Russian Orthodox market of the city
                        ... Merchants in Russia / in Russia were honorable and authoritative.

                        Oh, Wei! Read it for Gilyarovsky. laughing
                        Where he describes the life and customs of Moscow merchants and shopkeepers of the late 19th, early 20th century. Everything was exactly the same.
                        Shl. I advise you to find in the library a collection of works, 60-70 years old, and not a castrated edition of "Moscow and Muscovites" -80s. hi
                  2. 0
                    13 July 2016 00: 27
                    Quote: sabakina
                    I do not advise.

                    Well, everyone sees his ...
                  3. +1
                    13 July 2016 00: 48
                    And I was directly offended about a Negro! am Why is it such an advantage to them? wink Ours, "I humbly hint winked "not a bit worse, straight nothing worse at all laughing
            2. 0
              13 July 2016 10: 20
              and no one survived their homeland.

              Where were you in '91?
              1. 0
                13 July 2016 11: 45
                Quote: kolyhalovs
                Where were you in '91?


                Received education.
    3. +6
      12 July 2016 22: 39
      So they sold it for gum !!!! So what's the truth?
    4. +5
      13 July 2016 05: 54
      Quote: Dym71
      Passed already, I do not believe

      So, those who played jazz just sold their homeland! These jazz players wanted jeans, beer in cans and chewing gum. Here, for beer and jeans, they sold their homeland!
      That "I do not believe" something? This story happened quite recently! Memory knocked off, sick?
      1. +2
        13 July 2016 11: 16
        Quote: Bramb
        So, those who played jazz just sold their homeland! These jazz players wanted jeans, beer in cans and chewing gum. Here, for beer and jeans, they sold their homeland!

        And you, as I understand it, miraculously survived in the crucible of the struggle for the USSR? All creatures are corrupt, and you are a kind of d'Artagnan from the GKChP musketeers?

        Sold by those who used these jeans, chewing gum and beer in cans in "birches" instead of producing similar goods in their own country!
        Who joined the CPSU solely for career growth, who in the nineties threw out membership cards as unnecessary!
  8. +8
    12 July 2016 22: 13
    And yet, I have to watch, even though the age is not the same.
    the channel with cartoons is a French TIJ campaign, there is a good song who wants PI PI, just for the night, but the design is yellow. laughing Whoever has the little ones will understand.
    Not so long ago I joked about FIXY, they cooked a blue lollipop there. laughing I remembered the television series IN ALL HEAVY, about the blue met. laughing
    How fast pop culture enters our everyday life.
    In order to carry boobies, headrests with LCD displays and a DVD player were bought. In my time, for my nagging father would have slapped me a couple of slaps. laughing
    Pampering! laughing
    1. +3
      13 July 2016 00: 33
      Quote: marshes

      Just how fast culture enters our everyday life.
      In order to carry boobies, headrests with LCD displays and a DVD player were bought. In my time, for my nagging father would have slapped me a couple of slaps.

      IZH-56 with a German stroller, my sister is sitting on the stroller seat, I was on the stroller floor between the windshield and the seat (because the two of us were already in the same seat). And no one, went for mushrooms / berries, and no one got cold ... laughing
  9. +10
    12 July 2016 22: 14
    Now, after watching Western films, I am treating nerves with Soviet films.
    Yes, scary for the children. But I believe (although who I am) that in case of war, all youth will defend themselves as one! No matter what cartoons, everyone will stand up when the enemy comes into the house. God forbid, of course, not an invited guest with a sword in his hands on the doorstep of the house.
    1. +4
      12 July 2016 23: 32
      For the Prince of Pension.
      Do not get up. Believe me, Princess Akatawa. In 1941, how many were confused, frightened, not knowing where to go and what to do? Like, Motherland abandoned them ... No, if by 1941 they had brought up a whole generation with and on patriotism, right now ... I don’t argue, there were, there will be guys and girls who will be ready to die. But who are these guys? Children of peasants, workers, ordinary state employees who simply have nothing to lose stupidly!
      1. +2
        13 July 2016 00: 56
        Do not get up. Believe me, Princess Akatawa. In 1941, how many were confused, frightened, not knowing where to go and what to do? Like Motherland left them ...

        But for my part, I’ll note that during a survey of young employees - from 25 to ~ 35 years old, I found out that EVERYTHING and IMMEDIATELY are ready for the front! And mothers with small children also took part in the survey. This is on the issue of education and current youth love

        PS I forgot to specify - a sample of ~ 50 people.
      2. +1
        13 July 2016 09: 52
        Quote: sabakina
        Children of peasants, workers, ordinary state employees who simply have nothing to lose stupidly!

        Mistaken, they have something to lose. This, of course, is not apartments, factories and loot, but the homeland, the family, some kind of freedom and life.
      3. 0
        14 July 2016 14: 03
        Quote: sabakina
        Do not get up.

        Where, interestingly, is such information? Personally, I do not yet know the person who will sit back and expect that others will do everything for him. Yes, you look better at people on May 9th.
    2. +2
      13 July 2016 00: 29
      I don’t know everything for sure. I have to communicate.
  10. +10
    12 July 2016 22: 15
    totally agree. our cartoons always conveyed kindness, respect, friendship, mutual assistance, patience, hard work to children. it was not for nothing that the late pope John Paul loved precisely our cartoons, saying that they bear eternal, kind, humanity.
    1. +2
      13 July 2016 08: 10
      Our cartoons ---- according to our fairy tales. Our Russian folk tales are the legacy that our wonderful ancestors left to us.
  11. -5
    12 July 2016 22: 17
    An article from the series "Stalin-Russophobe or Russophile", "Two Worlds-Two Shapiro". Life, it is much broader and more colorful.
  12. +4
    12 July 2016 22: 18
    I can’t unequivocally agree with the opinion that all cartoons of Americans are slag. The lion king what is bad? There are hundreds of such examples. A lot of epic cartoons done pretty well. They are very different from ours, it is a fact. And sometimes not in the best direction, but here is mentality, not skill.
  13. +20
    12 July 2016 22: 19
    Interesting article, +, somehow I didn't think about it. It is significant how we differ from them. For the sake of interest, I looked at the series "Masha and the Bear", poor Misha. And the Italians are dying from this cartoon, they bought something that has not yet been filmed ... The Japanese are dragged by Cheburashka, because he is Cheburashka, and his eyes, like in anime, do not understand the meaning. OUR Winnie the Pooh and THEIR Winniepuh - a big difference (one burst balloon is worth a lot as a gift). And when the Beavis-butt-head was shown, so my friend and I laughed, it is more a cartoon for adults, but for our children it was an ideological diversion, they grow up like Beavis, because the muck is better digestible. Well, and what in the mornings on weekends are shown now ... Aggression, we urgently need to defeat the enemies (enemies will be assigned additionally) when our kids grow up.
    And where, edren-loaf, the Minister of Culture, where are all these tips under the President on culture-cultures ??? In reality, children get into the brains with dirty boots and a blunt screwdriver. And, they do not have the right to intervene, they are not shareholders of TV channels, they found Pontia Pilates, what would they use to wash their hands. It’s better to cut the money for restoration. But is it time to tighten the nuts? Here we have MORMONS in the city showed up, their mother, and there are suckers, a cat. go to them on the gangplanks! Well, where, damn it, the ideological department of the FSB, well, it's time to recreate and strengthen in every way!
    1. +2
      12 July 2016 23: 07
      I agree with you, in completely harmless Soviet films 12+, 14 +, 16 +, and such a zombie channel as a carousel for children without restriction
    2. +6
      13 July 2016 00: 18
      And where, edren-loaf, the Minister of Culture, where are all these tips under the President on culture-cultures ???

      This minister recently opened a plaque to Manerheim, the killer of Leningrad women and children.
      He is on the opposite side, on the other side of the barricades, as they say ...
      Advice under the president, probably there.
    3. +4
      13 July 2016 00: 41
      I’ve put you a plus. I fully support you. I want to add. Then the other day, I don’t know why, I watched a children's film in theaters now. Conclusion. It’s harmful not only for children but also for adults with unstable outlooks on life. In a nutshell why .Kain, Judah, Pavlik Morozov, it’s good if it’s for the benefit of Britain. That's right. With respect Krylov.
      1. 0
        15 July 2016 22: 07
        Quote: Vasily Krylov
        .Kain, Judah, Pavlik Morozov, it’s good if it’s for the benefit of Britain. That's right. With respect Krylov.


        They scored on all 10 commandments long ago. And they broadcast to the whole world that your gobels mouthpiece. It seems that they have already played out. Now, if their yellow stone smells - it will be the highest justice, so that we do not dirty our hands. If it does not smell, add it. Yes, it is cynical, but how much can you be imposed, like a shabby and somewhat sick, um, girl? With your unappetizing E2-E4? From them the infection rushing, where Onishchenko?
    4. +1
      13 July 2016 09: 54
      Unfortunately, there is no hope for the state now. It is necessary to raise a worthy person in the family. It's hard. In Soviet times, both school and kindergarten helped. Now this is not.
  14. +5
    12 July 2016 22: 22
    All wisdom and stupidity in fairy tales.
    It’s interesting, as if the author of the article conveyed to the child from modern Russia the tale “The Adventures of Cipollino” by the Italian writer Gianni Rodari. And by the way, why was she removed from the general education program? smile
    1. Alf
      +2
      12 July 2016 23: 19
      Quote: Valter1364
      And by the way, why was she removed from the general education program?

      So that analogies are not drawn. Trash Law-have you heard of this?
      1. +5
        12 July 2016 23: 43
        Quote: Valter1364

        It’s interesting, as if the author of the article conveyed to the child from modern Russia the tale “The Adventures of Cipollino” by the Italian writer Gianni Rodari. smile

        And how would the author convey to the modern Western child a tale about Jelsomino?
    2. Web
      +3
      13 July 2016 10: 51
      Cipollino was not removed from the program. My daughter, last year (Grade 2), passed. And they watched the Soviet cartoon as a whole class, and there was a quiz on the work. The school is ordinary district.
  15. +2
    12 July 2016 22: 25
    ...
    - auto RU
    - you haven’t read the book yet ...............
    1. 0
      13 July 2016 00: 09
      Quote: boroda64
      - auto RU
      - you haven’t read the book yet ...............

      I myself wanted to notice that the author discusses on the right topics, but only based on cartoons. He did not read the book, so when the 90s burst out, I will assume that he was 10 years old. And after that time, everyone was not up to the classics. It is a pity that the patriotic theme was reduced to the fact that "they" are all bad. Got enough. Above, someone wrote that there are enough masterpieces in Hollywood. Before writing, you need to dig into information and know directors, animators, and actors. What a cheap approach - to grab the pluses at the expense of our "partners". The author would deign to mention who voiced the roles in our cartoon. I only liked the fact that the concept of the article that Soviet animation is an educational factor for the younger generation. Comparisons with America - ugh! Has hesitated !!!
      Maria Vinogradova, Leo Shabarin - Mowgli
      Lyudmila Kasatkina - Bagira
      Stepan Bubnov - Balu Bear
      Vladimir Ushakov - python Kaa
      Anatoly Papanov - Sher Khan
      Sergey Martinson - Tobaccos
      Leo Lyubetskiy, Yuri Puzyrev - Akela
      Lucien Ovchinnikova - wolf-mother Raksha, foster mother of Mowgli
      Alexander Nazarov - wolf-father, foster father of Mowgli (1 series); Kaa (Episode 5)
      Yuri Khrzhanovsky - banderlog (2 episode), white cobra (3 episode)
      Klara Rumyanova - Hathi, baby elephant
      PS The article was left unrated only for good topics. And so it would be a minus.
  16. +4
    12 July 2016 22: 35
    Quote: ALABAY45
    It's simple: in our - handsome

    Come on, Mowgli, you compare our and overseas Winnie the Pooh. And at the same time Piglet and company. We are a little plump, but it looks great manhood, but nickname is a goner and an unwise person! laughing hi
    1. +1
      12 July 2016 23: 14
      Just to let you know: American Winnie is made according to the drawings of Ernest Shepard, which have already become classic images of Winnie, Christopher Robin and so on. By the way, Shepard himself asked Milne, the author of Vinnie, to complete the drawings, and he really liked these illustrations.

      For me, both ours and western Winnie are both wonderful.
  17. +3
    12 July 2016 22: 38
    Quote: Valter1364
    And by the way, why was she removed from the general education program?

    The class struggle and the social revolution are now not at all a fashionable topic.
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  20. +2
    12 July 2016 22: 50
    The author wrote everything correctly, a huge plus. Who cares, you can read on this topic - About the cartoon "Shrek": What does Hollywood teach children?
    http://oko-planet.su/politik/society/305435-o-multfilme-shrek-chemu-uchit-detey-
    hollywood.html
    1. +9
      12 July 2016 22: 58
      Quote: thinker
      About the cartoon "Shrek": What does Hollywood teach children?

      Shrek is not a children's cartoon but for general viewing, there are many footnotes on other works of the Grimm Brothers. I understand this as a specialist laughing
      Normal but cool are Bears Gami, Chip and Dale rush to the rescue and DuckTales. laughing
  21. +3
    12 July 2016 23: 02
    10 years ago, granddaughter was baptized. At baptism, the father said that the child should watch only Soviet cartoons, and in no case should he watch Western films, including Disney ones.
    1. 0
      13 July 2016 01: 06
      so that the child watches only Soviet cartoons
      But did Radonezh radio not recommend this shepherd?
    2. 0
      14 July 2016 14: 12
      Quote: mg1503
      so that the child watches only Soviet cartoons, and in no case watch Western films

      It’s much smarter to tell the child the difference between the cartoons, and not to make the forbidden fruit sweet.
  22. +1
    12 July 2016 23: 04
    imported cartoons is action, Soviet-semantic
  23. +11
    12 July 2016 23: 11
    Our sworn "partners" are well aware of the main principle: "If you want to defeat the enemy, raise his children." And it works much better than pumping their economy with their "treasuries" at interest. And that's why they don't put filters against various abominations coming from the West - a question for Comrade Puten, who passionately wants the revival of a great power and even introduces the rules of the TRP and CWP in schools (which in itself is very gut), but without an appropriate worldview it is practically useless, because "darling" no.
  24. +5
    12 July 2016 23: 20
    I practically agree with everything.
    Only a small clarification, in the original Kipling Bagheera - this is Baguir, that is, a man. In English, the word panther is masculine, and when translated into Russian, because of this difference, Bagheera Bagira was made
  25. +3
    12 July 2016 23: 38
    Completely on the side of the author. Taking this opportunity, I wanted to ask for help from visitors to this site. For quite some time now I have been trying to find an old (if I am not mistaken, black and white) am. cartoon: according to the plot, the fox fools the poultry house, says that it is not safe inside the walls, they believe him, panic begins, the fox takes the chickens into the cave and closes the entrance. At the end there are foxes who have eaten too much, and in rows there are graves with thymus bones on top. The moral was also like: if not you, then you (close to this). The transcendental cynicism of "creation" would not have dreamed Gebels in complete delirium. I watched it on TV in the late 90s, by chance, not at first, but to the end, and with a drooping jaw. For this reason, I don’t know the name. Thank you if anyone needs it.
  26. 0
    12 July 2016 23: 47
    The last paragraph is the essence!
  27. +1
    13 July 2016 00: 01
    There are age restrictions since how many, you need to drive another bar to how many laughing otherwise, after much thought, the brain may be injured laughing not compatible with life. laughing
  28. +1
    13 July 2016 00: 10
    One of the beloved cartoons of beloved Kipling. Domestic animation - the whole world. The American looked many years ago about two minutes. Turned off. No more coming back. It would be something to talk about.
    1. +1
      13 July 2016 07: 55
      Quote from Korsar4
      One of the beloved cartoons of beloved Kipling. Domestic animation - the whole world. The American looked many years ago about two minutes. Turned off. No more coming back. It would be something to talk about.

      No wonder Oleg Vidov, who fled (emigrated, well ...) to the United States, during the rampant "perestroika" semi-legally stole a huge archive of our cartoons (taking advantage of the gaps in the copyright law), and sold them - at a high price! - there for hire! Rudeness, of course, but - a wild success, played "for ours" in the end!
  29. 0
    13 July 2016 04: 25
    About Soviet cartoons, somehow on Saturday morning on TV-3 I got a black and white cartoon with a straightforward storyline: New Year, Santa Claus carries presents to children, successfully fighting off evil wolves. It seems to be uninteresting to watch now, but the main thing is the credits at the end: Production of the Tashkent film studio, 1942! good Indeed, whoever wants - does, who does not want - is looking for excuses.
    PS does not need about a totalitarian ideology and the invisible hand of the market.
    PPP I do not know how to comp. animation, just the eldest granddaughter is reading our tales (the youngest is still 7 months old) love
  30. +3
    13 July 2016 04: 45
    But now there is a complete debilitation of our children. Why are cartoons like Pepa's pig, Bob sponge, square pants and similar garbage.
  31. +2
    13 July 2016 05: 48
    The author made an excellent analysis. I read it with pleasure. If you dig further, then the moronization of our children through cartoons continues. Now my granddaughter from Novosibirsk is visiting me and every day she asks me to play the animated series "Paw Patrol". When I saw what it was, I was horrified - I had never seen it dumber. And she looks. I got hooked like a drug. This movie, like everything else, is also from beyond the hillock.
    1. +1
      13 July 2016 07: 51
      Quote: demotivator
      The author made an excellent analysis. I read it with pleasure. If you dig further, then the moronization of our children through cartoons continues. Now my granddaughter from Novosibirsk is visiting me and every day she asks me to play the animated series "Paw Patrol". When I saw what it was, I was horrified - I had never seen it dumber. And she looks. I got hooked like a drug. This movie, like everything else, is also from beyond the hillock.

      Kind of sensory drug, that's right ...
      Anime and manga are even worse in this respect!
  32. Riv
    +2
    13 July 2016 06: 07
    Well, Bagheera, for example, was a man at Kipling's too. In India, male names ending in "a" are the most common thing. But here's the funny thing: when I wanted to read Kipling at school, he was not in the school library. And in the city library there is only The Jungle Book. And I found a collection of stories and poems only much later, by accident. The book was released in the late 40s.
    And those nichrome stories were not like a children's fairy tale ...
    1. +1
      13 July 2016 07: 26
      Quote: Riv
      But here's the funny thing: when I wanted to read Kipling at school, he was not in the school library. And in the city library there is only The Jungle Book. And I found a collection of stories and poems only much later, by accident. The book was released in the late 40s.
      And those nichrome stories were not like a children's fairy tale ...

      If you wanted to read Kipling and found the Jungle Book in the city library, then you found Kipling, right? And if further you found a collection of his stories and poems, then no one said that they are for children. Kipling has "Just Tales" and two later books "Pak from the Magic Hills" and "Fairy Gifts" for children, everything. And the Mowgli we know is two "Jungle Books" adapted for children by Soviet translators. It is also unclear why you wrote that the book of the 40s .. Collections of Kipling's stories are not uncommon and were published both in the 60s and in the 80s.
      1. Riv
        +1
        13 July 2016 08: 00
        Maybe they weren’t, but in our city I was not lucky to find such a collection. And after all, this is really a very, very different Kipling, not a storyteller on any side.

        I —'ave — marched — six — weeks in 'Ell an' certify
        It — is — not — fire — devils, dark, or anything,
        But boots — boots — boots — boots — movin'up an 'down again,
        An 'there's no discharge in the war!
    2. +2
      13 July 2016 08: 19
      In general, this Kipling got fucked, took and made the panther a male, ignored future translations into Russian. Horror is simple.
      1. Riv
        +2
        13 July 2016 10: 19
        And do not say ... Well, at least not an achtung. But in general, Kipling doesn’t have all the concepts. The tiger is the jungle raja. No one in the forest should raise a tail on him by definition. And in the fairy tale, the wolves put it on him, and the panther (a), the old Kaa, doesn’t consider him a jackal at all. And Mowgli ...

        Apparently this is still the same burden of a white man. Mowgli is this white, the only intelligent creature in the whole jungle. The beasts are natives with distinct caste differences. That is, you can finish off the rajah, if the white orders. And heroism can be shown only under the leadership of Mowgli, or saving him. But God forbid growling at the white - it will be bad.

        That's the moral ...
        1. 0
          13 July 2016 14: 42
          In fact, in a fairy tale, wolves screamed that they were a free people, no less than Ukrainian horses about the fact that they were non-slaves. The thought creeps in that they themselves do not believe in it and that they need to prove it to themselves. The weakness of old Akella leads to the fact that they are massively sold to Sher Khan. Kaa lives for such a long time that he doesn’t care much, and he has made a lot of money, Bagira is essentially a free fighter who knows his own worth and, most importantly, he is an order of magnitude smarter than other inhabitants of the jungle, but since he grew up among people, it’s wonderful understands human capabilities.

          And yes, Mowgli is white, Bagheera is local, but he knows both locals and whites well. And the red flower - cannons and machine guns. As for the Indian population specifically, I advise you to remember what the villagers wanted to do with the family who sheltered Mowgli, and flight to the British turns out to be their only salvation. And Kipling saw all this medieval savagery with his own eyes, so he would probably have laughed a lot when talking about "noble savages", since nobility comes only with civilization.
  33. 0
    13 July 2016 06: 26
    And in the USSR, almost all cartoons and fairy tales carried the necessary semantic load, somewhere they taught to be honest, somewhere kind, taught mutual assistance, friendship, and so on. But all this was long ago, and today the state hasn’t been engaged in children and our youth will shut up for stupidity for belt any western state. wink I remember how I and many other already adult people in the early 90s watched stupid American cartoons like Tom and Jerry where someone constantly beats someone, and after years people realized that their cartoons are slag
    1. 0
      13 July 2016 14: 46
      Years later, people clever, learned that "Tom and Jerry" was never a children's cartoon, and was not positioned as such, since the dullness of cartoons and the massive appearance of cheap cartoons for children took place later, in the era of television, and classic cartoons 30-40 they were intended to be shown together with ordinary cinemas, but it so happened that those films, basically, no one remembers, but the cartoons remained.

      And do not be hypocritical, black humor has always been, is and will be.
  34. +6
    13 July 2016 07: 34
    It seems to me that the importance of education on such images is exaggerated. The human mind is too complex and unpredictable to react to such things. I am a prime example of education in American cinema and culture. Generation 90s. On TV "Rambo", a series about heroic American police officers on coffin Chevrolet Caprice. Transformers, Disney cartoons about the greedy duck Scrooge (he was still bathing in gold in his huge safe, remember?), Chewing gum, Coca-Cola, leggings, jeans, cooperatives, firm people (the word firm was different then), working badly means trading well and other bullshit. And this for more than 10 years at the most "tender" age (1989-2000, I was from 8 to 19 years old). It would seem that I am a ready-made liberal. But somehow it didn't work out. I walk with a portrait of my grandfather in the immortal regiment, I consider the 90s a dense relic, I hate Yeltsin, I consider all "Echoes of Moscow" with Navalny to be parasites and demand industrialization from the state. Somehow the opposite happened. Obviously, those who brainwashed me as a child expected a different result. And I'm not alone.

    But those who ruined the USSR-all brought up by the Soviet system. They all watched Mowgli exactly the Soviet version. All of them were October Revolutionaries, pioneers, Komsomol members. How so?
  35. 0
    13 July 2016 07: 44
    OUR cartoon shot by Kipling!
    And in "their" cartoon - from Kipling only the name ... Even the plot is very close to the original ...
    All Kipling's work is extremely saturated with chivalry, male charisma (with a solid admixture of romance ...); and - yes! - awareness of the "white man's burden" ...
    ---------
    "Artistic" (exactly in quotes!) Film "The Jungle Book" - a masterpiece of computer graphics! and that's it ... From Kipling - only the name; and even about the "educational tasks" and say no! Why is that? But what about business? ...
    1. Riv
      0
      13 July 2016 08: 08
      Sorry moa ... You didn’t read Kipling, did you?
  36. +1
    13 July 2016 07: 54
    Western oligarchs need a stupid working mass incapable of analyzing domestic political and foreign policy, incapable of rebellion against the ruling elite - that's why they are "molded" through the worldview of tolerance and juvenile sameness, hence the soft homosexuals, masculinity and chivalrous deeds are destroyed - the people of the USA And EUROPES selectively soften like plasticine, and peoples inclined to the male tradition of supremacy are distracted by radical politics and wars, thereby destroying the gene pool.
  37. +5
    13 July 2016 08: 06
    As a child, I was fond of science fiction. And now I read a lot, but already because of the craving for reading. I already read serious literature badly, my brains do not work, and it is such reading at night, at dinner all the time.
    I have long noticed a difference in the description of the future Earth between Soviet and foreign, mostly American, writers.
    Soviet writers described the future as the flourishing of justice, the triumph of good, the eradication of all the negativity that is now. American authors describe the future mainly in gloomy tones, when power is seized by villains, people live in slums, etc.
    Perhaps they are more realistic, but if you do not bring up the good in children, then we do not have a normal future.
  38. -7
    13 July 2016 08: 09
    As you have already pulled up with your pathological stupidity and the search for ideology wherever possible. A lot could be said about "The Jungle Book" and its film adaptation, and not at all what the leavened patriots want to hear so much, but don't care. Just a minus article.

    And yes, they will shoot their "Lion King" or "Ratatouille" in Russia, and not it is not clear who needs the "Jozhega in the Fog", which is allegedly recognized by some critics there, or second-rate copies of Disney from "The Mill", then let's talk about our animation, but for now we are even within the former. socialist camp compared to Hungary or Yugoslavia look pale. These fighters are good at us and tanks, and there are many things to be proud of, but not cartoons.

    By the way, if the author is not in the know, then Disney's "The Jungle Book" was published in 1967, in the USSR it was almost impossible to get a copy, they only saw it professionally related to animation, and members of their families. So it was clearly not filmed for our children. Well, in general, the USSR sent animators to Disney in the pre-war years for an internship, filmed the full-length film "The Lost Letter" in the 45th, and somewhere before 1960 gave something out, but then everything came to an end and Along the way, they began to drive to Disney. And why? Because it takes a LOT of work to make a good quality full-length film, it is much easier to announce those who are doing this as the creatures of evil, and to shoot the "jozhegs" ourselves.
  39. +3
    13 July 2016 08: 13
    So then, Bagheera and in the original at Kipling is a man ...
  40. +3
    13 July 2016 08: 17
    As far as I remember, at one time a certain high-ranking person said one wonderful phrase (I can be mistaken in the details, as I am quoting from memory) - "If you want your children to grow up strong, kind and able to love and be friends, let them watch Soviet cartoons." ... This man's name is Carol Joseph Wojtyłabetter known as the pope, John Paul II.
  41. +2
    13 July 2016 08: 34
    And yet ... the current generation of 40-year-old consumers is brought up on Soviet cartoons of the 70-80s ... the same Mowgli ...
  42. +2
    13 July 2016 08: 41
    Exactly. Our cartoons have raised us gullible, with faith in the victory of good and peace in the world. And then in the 90s all of a sudden the secretaries of district and party committees were the first at the trough of privatization. And then they spit on the 91st referendum on the preservation of the USSR. And then when our elite grabbed everything, the slogan sounded: "Get rich", like pick up crumbs from the master's table. And in Afghanistan, all of a sudden, the working peasants turned out to be mujahideen, and the friendship of the peoples in the USSR cracked so much that now it is impossible to patch. And now we have to fight for a place in the sun to support our family. Life turned out to be a little different than in a beautiful kind fairy tale about justice and faith in the power of light and good.
    1. 0
      14 July 2016 14: 10
      Quote: vladimirvn
      And then they started on the 91st referendum on the preservation of the USSR.

      Why did everyone cling to this referendum ??? Or you weren't born yet and don't remember how it went and what it was like? Although I was a high school student, I remember everything very well - it's like the earlier elections to the regional committee, when you come to the nearest school and put a cross in front of the name of the only candidate, and then you go to the buffet and buy the "deficit"! That still democracy ...
      Or as the State Emergency Committee. First, there were 50 people on the square with banners "FOR GKChP" (This is in the provinces), and a week later on the same square, the same people, with posters "FOR Yeltsin" ...
      I remember the mood of people at that time, the main idea: "WE FEED !!!" What does it have to do with all the republics! No one wanted to stay in the USSR! Everyone said: "here we live together - it's bad (economically), let's try it separately, and then ... if anything - we will unite ..." This is at the everyday level, without separatism. Everyone wanted to join the cooperative and "40 varieties of sausages in the store"! Nobody wanted to stay in the USSR with the CPSU !!!
      And now, all this, safely, they have forgotten and they have blamed everything on the elite that has ruined the Union! And the people, like, were against)))
      Funny !!! Where was the people ??? The people of the White House and Yeltsin defended !!! It is a fact!!! Without this, nothing would have happened to him !!!
  43. +1
    13 July 2016 10: 18
    The author is an intellectual, and therefore did not fail to kick "Harsh Soviet Reality". But Soviet means the Best. In the present time, such cartoons will not do - it's a pity that our time is already different.
    1. +1
      13 July 2016 16: 13
      Quote: Old Warrior
      But Soviet means the Best. These cartoons will not do at the present time - it’s a pity that the time is different.

      Mdya, what’s the best thing besides rockets and tanks?

      And yes, you are apparently completely unfamiliar with modern Russian animation. One "Prince Vladimir" is worth something.
  44. +2
    13 July 2016 11: 19
    Too superficial and extremely one-sided. Mowgli is based on the work of Kipling and Kipling is an Englishman, like Alexander Milne (author of Winnie the Pooh). Wolves of his Wizard of the Emerald City wrote on the basis of the Wizard of Oz, which was invented by the American Frank Baum. In total, in the serious weight category for children, only Dunno Nikolai Nosov, Uncle Fedor and Cheburashka Eduard Uspensky and Alisa Selezneva Kira Bulychiva. And it is clear that not all of these cartoons. And not all Soviet animation was good, the same Hedgehog in the Fog of Norshtein is essentially the new Black Square of Malevich. As for Disney, the Lion King, Dog and Fox, the Hunchback of Notre Dame are very worthy things. Although not entirely childish. The same can be said of many of Pixar's work. For children, Americans have Theodore Seuss and his Cat in the Hat, Lorax, How the Grinch Stole Christmas. In addition, it’s not Disney who makes films in the United States alone and things like Gravity Falls or Avatar are oriented to a teenage audience and often having one screenwriter for several episodes, sometimes skillfully combine the entertainment part with the educational or educational part. It should also be understood that in general modern animation (both western and eastern) is divided by different age groups, and the same Rick and Morty or the Ghost in the Armor are objectively designed not for children. And this is not to mention the pitch itself. And in My Little Pony and in any Japanese syonen, you can find lessons about how friendship is good and that others need help and generally need to be good and not be bad. But the very presentation of these ideas can not always affect the child and entertaining, and some other elements of the story are needed just to hook the child. I also did not accidentally mention different screenwriters - in animated series, this phenomenon is not uncommon and this affects the quality of individual episodes. As for the terrifying American cartoons that are filmed to turn children into slaves and idiots, these are stories from the same opera as the communist conspiracy to fluoride water in the USA. Finally, I add that a significant part of animated films and animations is done just to make money. This is not good and not bad - people just need to earn money, and therefore marketing and the sociology of the trade direction go into battle.
    1. +2
      13 July 2016 12: 05
      Tired (1) RU Today, 11:19 AM New
      ... Mowgli is based on the work of Kipling and Kipling is an Englishman, like Alexander Milne (author of Winnie the Pooh). Wolves of his Wizard of the Emerald City wrote on the basis of the Wizard of Oz, which was invented by the American Frank Baum.

      As an illustration laughing
      1. +2
        13 July 2016 12: 36
        The funny thing about this picture is that the cartoons are Russian (as it is written), but the characters are all foreign))
  45. +1
    13 July 2016 12: 43
    Wonderful analysis and analysis of cartoons. All of this is very consistent with my analysis of SV Mowgli. I just could not explain so clearly the essence and understanding of the SV "Mowgli".
    Not so long ago they showed AV "Mowgli on TV, and my granddaughter got a job watching it. After 5-7 minutes of watching, I turned off the TV, found it in the internet and looked at the groove with pleasure with my granddaughter."
    Thanks to the author!
  46. 0
    13 July 2016 12: 58
    Thanks to the American Mowgli, American firms producing diapers for the military will never have a crisis. Soviet Mowgli cuts the whole business on the vine.
  47. -1
    13 July 2016 19: 48
    In Soviet times, they raised us with cartoons, cinema, television, radio, newspapers, at work. As a result, the 90s and half of the country came, those educated in the spirit of good went to reetekers, crooks, hired killers, the rest meekly paid tribute, stole, smeared, others poisoned fellow citizens with vodka, rotten foods. The whole country, all people have turned into one big one. Well, what is the role of education ??? yes no. Everyone who was born by that and will at least be educated. The church for centuries could not educate, and educate cartoons? Do not tell my slippers))
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    2. 0
      14 July 2016 06: 40
      No, after all, you are wrong, dear. Remember Makarenko, who re-educated seemingly hopeless juvenile delinquents in his labor colony. Much depends on the environment people are in. Yes, now a kind of "natural selection" is practiced in education, when everyone is ready to merge into one class, and the especially "gifted" to be placed in private schools, where they can educate them with their parents' money. Fundamentally wrong, harmful approach to education. People are disunited, behave like in the jungle: "every man for himself." Hence all the troubles. Does anyone really think that a boy whose dad is a banker will become a simple engineer at a defense plant or a worker at a metallurgical plant or a drilling rig? Of course not. Unless by chance you find yourself in some kind of situation in which Mowgli found himself.
      Therefore, looking at American cartoons, it is necessary to convey to the children that everything in them is built from the opposite - this can not be done in life. And whoever doesn’t understand this, alas, he will also sell fake vodka, or he will buy and drink it himself.
      1. -2
        14 July 2016 08: 40
        4 puppies were born, and all with different characters, so nature gave. People are part of nature and in one family a coward and a hero can be born. Though educated. a coward will always be a coward, a hero in any environment will be a hero. Human instincts at any education will be above all human values. Not so long ago in the taiga, people ate their friend in order to survive. Where is your upbringing? Someone overseas understands this. But we still can’t enter. In any state, punitive bodies exist for this. That is, the fear of being punished does not allow us to commit crimes, not your upbringing. A person will behave correctly when he is afraid. Go stroking the head of ISIS, rehabilitate.
        1. 0
          15 July 2016 01: 09
          A unique teacher, Chaos, was drawn. The essence of his upbringing: people are cattle that will only behave as needed with the help of a whip and a cage. Plus selective selection. Typical fascism display. ISIS is no longer necessary to educate, it was already raised wrong. Here it just needs to be destroyed, educated late. Do not confuse cause and effect.
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            15 July 2016 14: 50
            Do not smack nonsense. Even the church scares people with hell and apocalypse. Knowing the nature of man can influence humanity. Americans know and influence it. But we are not. Look deep into the problems, not climb the tops.
  48. +2
    13 July 2016 19: 53
    About Bagheera ...
    Actually, in the original, Kipling has this "man". And the name Bagheera in the east is still masculine!
  49. 0
    13 July 2016 20: 55
    you know, because this is nothing new in this article, but the author has done well that revealed the subtext of this film for the current generation. It is possible that not everything is lost if each parent in a place with his children looks at this movie and explains to the child the hidden essence of this creation
  50. +1
    14 July 2016 01: 29
    It’s great that the Americans are brought up as slaves ... It will be easier for ours.
  51. 0
    14 July 2016 06: 26
    In the American cartoon about Mowgli, I was also surprised by the fact that Bagheera became masculine in it (although in R. Kipling this is actually the case). Yes, in India sometimes men's names are pronounced as women's names, but in the cartoon this radically changes everything that happens, because... There's a lot going on with this character. In our cartoon, Bagheera carries a certain feminine principle, attractive and at the same time dangerous. For the Americans, Bagheera becomes some kind of stupid guard who, along with the roguish bear Baloo, nurtures Mowgli. And what will they teach him? What's surprising is that Shere Khan didn't eat all three of them for breakfast, lunch and dinner in the second five minutes of the film. Although where does he belong in the American interpretation?
    But maybe this is for the better. Knowing that a potential opponent is more into, sorry, fuck, than doing serious things, he can and should be defeated. In this regard, I remembered another movie character - a German general who met our intelligence officer Stirlitz on the train. His remark about the Americans simply reveals their essence 100%: “They will be destroyed by their own equipment. The Americans think that the war can be won with bombing alone.” We are seeing this all over the world today. And the top US officials dancing at the funerals of murdered police officers is simply disgusting! So, the phenomenon of mass culture, alas, played a cruel joke on the Americans.
  52. 0
    14 July 2016 14: 33
    In the Soviet version (SV), all the characters are charismatic and have their own charisma, unique dynamics, way, while in the American version (AV) all the characters are the same - they move the same, they say the same, they are all jesters.

    Well, they have different goals. Soviet cartoons solved, first of all, an educational task, relying on the educational function of art, while Western culture implements mainly the hedonistic role of art and entertains. That's why you saw the jesters in the Western version.
  53. 0
    14 July 2016 14: 43
    Quote: Alex_59
    It seems to me that the importance of education on such images is exaggerated. The human mind is too complex and unpredictable to react to such things. I am a prime example of education in American cinema and culture. Generation 90s. On TV "Rambo", a series about heroic American police officers on coffin Chevrolet Caprice. Transformers, Disney cartoons about the greedy duck Scrooge (he was still bathing in gold in his huge safe, remember?), Chewing gum, Coca-Cola, leggings, jeans, cooperatives, firm people (the word firm was different then), working badly means trading well and other bullshit. And this for more than 10 years at the most "tender" age (1989-2000, I was from 8 to 19 years old). It would seem that I am a ready-made liberal. But somehow it didn't work out. I walk with a portrait of my grandfather in the immortal regiment, I consider the 90s a dense relic, I hate Yeltsin, I consider all "Echoes of Moscow" with Navalny to be parasites and demand industrialization from the state. Somehow the opposite happened. Obviously, those who brainwashed me as a child expected a different result. And I'm not alone.

    Because specific examples of Western cartoons could not form a coherent system. You didn’t live in a vacuum, but in a social and cultural environment, which has an educational effect. Art, family, education, society, public opinion, moral values ​​are elements of the system. Its influence on you turned out to be stronger than elements torn out from your own, someone else’s system.

    But those who ruined the USSR-all brought up by the Soviet system. They all watched Mowgli exactly the Soviet version. All of them were October Revolutionaries, pioneers, Komsomol members. How so?

    But the “smell of freedom” (TM) (fresh paint on crisp dollars) had a stronger influence on these than all their upbringing. But the fact is that a person, one way or another, still makes his choice. His upbringing gives him the opportunity. Someone chose the lust of the Golden Calf as a life guide.
  54. 0
    15 July 2016 00: 50
    Quote: CAM
    shrek and the ice age are vulgar, it is in these cartoons of the so-called humor instills negative behavior. review the shrek, but more closely, the behavior of the main characters and the article re-read. and indeed, Hollywood recently with his moronic humor, covering up stupidity and baseness, got it.
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    Quote: Alex_59
    It seems to me that the importance of education on such images is exaggerated. The human mind is too complex and unpredictable to react to such things. I am a prime example of education in American cinema and culture. Generation 90s. On TV "Rambo", a series about heroic American police officers on coffin Chevrolet Caprice. Transformers, Disney cartoons about the greedy duck Scrooge (he was still bathing in gold in his huge safe, remember?), Chewing gum, Coca-Cola, leggings, jeans, cooperatives, firm people (the word firm was different then), working badly means trading well and other bullshit. And this for more than 10 years at the most "tender" age (1989-2000, I was from 8 to 19 years old). It would seem that I am a ready-made liberal. But somehow it didn't work out. I walk with a portrait of my grandfather in the immortal regiment, I consider the 90s a dense relic, I hate Yeltsin, I consider all "Echoes of Moscow" with Navalny to be parasites and demand industrialization from the state. Somehow the opposite happened. Obviously, those who brainwashed me as a child expected a different result. And I'm not alone.

    But those who ruined the USSR-all brought up by the Soviet system. They all watched Mowgli exactly the Soviet version. All of them were October Revolutionaries, pioneers, Komsomol members. How so?

    Well, you just showed yourself to be a product of the upbringing of the 90s. You have the wrong values. It doesn’t take much effort to walk around with a portrait of your grandfather; half the country does. It’s not difficult to hate Yeltsin either. The American Mowgli doesn’t teach you how to be a liberal either. It teaches frivolity, irresponsibility, and immaturity. I see today's youth of your generation - the overwhelming majority are infantile. Guys are mama's boys, girls are young bitches, and both are consumers. Not all, but most. Maybe you are not like that, education comes primarily from the family. In the right family, no television will spoil the children. His influence will be limited.
    Yes, those who destroyed the USSR watched American cartoons and films, they had access to them.
  55. 0
    15 July 2016 01: 04
    Quote: Dym71
    Today they watch Disney cartoons, tomorrow they listen to pop music, and the day after tomorrow their ideals and values ​​acquire the selfish and consumeristic coloring characteristic of Western culture. More serious than it seems.

    Passed already, I do not believe recourse

    But I believe that the Motherland was sold. And those who are into jazz-rock-pop are still selling: makakarevichi, shevchuk, lolitas, etc.
  56. 0
    15 July 2016 01: 24
    Quote: Road Runer
    American "Mowgli" is a special case and probably not the best one. A lot of wonderful cartoons were shot in the USA, I will name a few: "Bambi", "The Lion King", "Shrek", "Keepers of Dreams", "Ice Age-1", "Zootopia". In all these cartoons, you will find the upbringing of a strong, brave, brave, savvy and independent person who sets goals and achieves them, there is friendship and self-sacrifice and responsibility. They are made simply and clearly, and at the same time the most important thing is conveyed. Our "Mowgli" is a wonderful cartoon, one of my favorites, but few of them have been done. Now they do not do them at all, "Three heroes" I do not consider - the same crap as the American "Mowgli". Therefore, it is incorrect to compare one cartoon, look wider ...

    No. American Mowgli is a natural case. Of the cartoons you named, tell me which of them show character development, growing up. Lion King? How was he raised? I walked and walked with a wild boar and a gopher, then I grew up... and all my upbringing. Oh, yes, the wise monkey conjured something else for him. “Cool” message - walk all your life, and then with the help of a wise monkey you will suddenly become wiser, without any work on yourself. What kind of personalities and deep characters do these cartoons have? There is a big, more serious clown and a small, chatty clown everywhere. Shrek is generally a striking example of anti-education. What did Shrek himself do in his life? He ate and farted. He was forced to do this feat by vile people who encroached on his land. Feona is a wonderful path from a cruel and aggressive beauty (she fights like in Shaolin and kills little animals for nothing) to a domestic ugly. The only attractive male character - the prince from the 2nd part - turns out to be a mama's boy and a typical asshole. Ice Age - the same clowns in different costumes.
  57. 0
    15 July 2016 04: 57
    And Bagheera, in general, is a man!
    ----
    So yes: Kipling, unlike the Soviet cartoon Bagheera, is a man)))
  58. 0
    15 July 2016 12: 23
    Something familiar... It seems to me or have I already read something similar? Oh, yes, the article “Leave the Jungle” in No. 3, March 2004, of the magazine “Art of Cinema”... Link: http://kinoart.ru/archive/2004/03/n3-article15 Two different articles on the same topic. However, may the author of the above opus forgive me, I personally liked the article in // “The Art of Cinema” more.
  59. 0
    15 July 2016 17: 06
    Our cartoon is cuter.
    But, in fairness, it should be noted that it is somewhat reworked and differs from Kipling’s Mowgli.
    This is the case when a departure from the original is only for the better.
    Of the most noticeable differences, Kipling's Bagheera is truly a man, while Kaa is not so kind.