Caribbean script. Part 3

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Caribbean script. Part 3


After "fulfilled" medium-range and long-range missiles aviation, in Europe came the turn of front-line bombers and tactical missiles. The land battles in the FRG began with an intensive exchange of missile and air strikes. Squadrons of front-line bomber, fighter-bomber and tactical aircraft rose into the air. Airplanes with tactical nuclear bombs attacked army headquarters, march units, airfields, and key infrastructure facilities. To cover the carriers of tactical nuclear bombs and defense from attacks by enemy bombers, fighters took to the air. A typical example of the actions of front-line bombers of the 16th Air Army was the destruction by nuclear bombs from IL-28 of the West German airfields Gibelstadt and Kitzingen.

The American, British, French, and West German tactical aviation, which suffered heavy losses at the airfields, failed to fully cover its ground units from air strikes. The French Air Force provided some help to the NATO forces in Germany, since French airfields suffered less from nuclear bombardment.

Two dozen advancing motorized infantry and tank divisions of the GSVG and six divisions of the GDR army, in addition to barrel artillery and MLRS, cleared the way for tactical missiles "Luna" and R-11. Soviet troops used the available tactical weapon be ahead of the curve, otherwise superiority in armored vehicles and artillery could be devalued by the advantage of NATO in tactical atomic weapons.


Self-propelled launcher tactical missile system 2-6 "Luna"


A fierce land battle, which lasted more than a day, broke out in the area of ​​the so-called “Fulda corridor” - the passage between the Spessart and Vogelsberg mountain ranges. This route was the shortest for the offensive between the GDR and the Federal Republic of Germany. In the battles for this section, the US ground forces for the first time used 203-mm nuclear missiles M422 with 5 power kt and "nuclear recoilless" M29 Davy Crockett. The 155 mm M29 recoilless guns were attached to US infantry regiments deployed in Western Europe. The gun fired the M388 above-caliber projectile with the nuclear warhead W-54Y1 with a power of 0,1 kt at a distance of up to 4 km. To increase mobility, the 155-mm M29 recoilless guns were mounted on jeeps and light tracked vehicles.


155 mm M29 recoilless gun


With shots, Davy Crocket managed to repel several Soviet tank attacks, and the 203 mm M55 self-propelled guns with the help of nuclear projectiles waged an effective battery combat. After the losses in the 39 th and 57 th motorized rifle Guards divisions had exceeded 50%, the 8 th Guards Army commanders ordered the launch of four Luna missiles on the defenders of the American infantry units. Only after nuclear strikes with tactical missiles, American defense was hacked.

The Soviet forces in West Germany were opposed by eight divisions of the US Army, as well as four British, eight Belgian, Dutch, Danish and German divisions. The warring parties actively used tactical nuclear charges. Only a day on October 30 in Germany thundered around 60 nuclear explosions. On the way of the advancing tank wedges of the 8-th Guards, 20-th Guards, 3-th Combined Arms and 1-th Guards Tank armies several nuclear bombs were blown up. They were laid in specially prepared wells at the intersections of roads or in places convenient for creating impassable destruction. In addition to debris and fires as a result of ground-based nuclear explosions, zones of intense radioactive contamination were formed. Our advancing units had to look for ways to circumvent debris and radiation spots, all of which seriously reduced the pace of the offensive. When it became clear that the American troops could not hold their positions, the explosions of nuclear land mines made the Fulda Corridor impassable for tanks and wheeled vehicles.

On the morning of October 31, the 2-I Guards Tank Army and the 20-I Guards Combined-Arms Army in several places forced the Elbe and advanced towards Hamburg in battles. The 3 Army I was bogged down in the positions of the 1 British Corps, supported from the flank by the Belgian divisions. The parties actively used tactical nuclear weapons, but this only exacerbated the stalemate. The course of the hostilities in the FRG was succeeded in reversing after the breakthrough of the 2-th Guards Tank Army of the German defense near Uelzen by the units. In the breakthrough were introduced two tank divisions of the 20-oh combined arms army. 1-I Guards Tank Army broke through the defenses at the junction between the American and West German divisions, and defeated parts of the 5-American corps in a head-on battle, made a throw into northern Bavaria. Under the threat of encirclement from the north, with the prospect of entering into battle three Polish and two Czechoslovak armies, NATO forces were forced to retreat beyond the Rhine. After the evacuation of the Rhine in order to stop the advance of the Soviet divisions, a massive strike by MGM-5 Corporal tactical missiles was inflicted on their immediate rear.


MGM-5 Corporal


The launch range of the Corporal tactical missiles with a liquid-propellant rocket engine operating on hydrazine and red fuming nitric acid reached 139 km. The missile was carrying a nuclear warhead W-7 20 power kt. The use of radio command correction on the trajectory significantly increased the accuracy, but at the same time complicated the missile complex. Nuclear Corporal tactical missiles in 1962 in Europe were in service with two British missile regiments and eight American missile battalions.
Nevertheless, the use of nuclear tactical missiles did not help to contain the offensive of the Soviet troops, and by the November holidays they had reached Stuttgart, surrounding the 2 German Corps. The troops of the Bundeswehr in the area were trapped in a cauldron between Czechoslovak and Soviet units, and after two days were completely defeated.

Far less successful were the Warsaw Pact countries in the Balkans. Two tank and two motorized rifle divisions of the Soviet Southern Group of Forces, with the support of the Bulgarian and Romanian units, launched combat operations against the Greek and Turkish armies. Turks and Greeks who hate each other were forced to fight shoulder to shoulder against the common enemy. On the southern European flank of NATO forces had superiority in the air. Traditionally, modern equipment was primarily sent to the GSVG, and in the YUGV, the most modern fighters were the regiment MiG-19С. One and a half hundred MiG-15bis and MiG-17 were used as light attack aircraft.

In the Air Forces of Turkey and Greece, on the contrary, there were a significant number of supersonic F-104, F-100 and F-84 fighter jets. Great assistance to the European NATO allies was provided by the US 6 fleet. By the beginning of the exchange of missile strikes, most of the American warships operating in this region were at sea and had avoided destruction in the ports. The carrier-based aircraft from the Forrestal (CV-59) and Franklin D. Roosevelt (CV-42) aircraft carriers launched air strikes against the operational rear of the Soviet, Romanian and Bulgarian forces and supported the Turks and Greeks on the battlefield.

The actions of the IL-28T torpedo bombers and the Tu-16К-10 rocket carriers, in view of the total domination of the enemy in the air and the effective radar patrol, were not successful. Most of the IL-28T was shot down even on the approach, and the rocket carriers managed to sink only the Boston missile cruiser (CA-69) and destroy one of the aircraft carriers. After the American carrier-based bombers dropped several atomic bombs on the operational rear of the UGV, the front line in the Balkans stabilized.


Missile Tu-16K-10


In northern Europe, the war was with varying results. Initially, Soviet troops were successful. At the first stage of successful naval and airborne landing operations, a significant part of Denmark was captured. After the evacuation of NATO forces beyond the Rhine, several Danish divisions that were isolated, received several nuclear attacks by R-11 missiles. After that, part of the Danish troops laid down their arms, and part was evacuated by sea. The capture of Denmark allowed the use of force fleet, frontline aviation and ground forces against Norway.

The Baltic Fleet during the night battle with 2 on November 3 in the Danish straits managed to win a major victory. The British destroyers and two groups of Danish and German torpedo boats attempted to carry out a raid operation, but were detected in time and were attacked by the division of the missile boats BF Ave. 183Р. Within ten minutes, three British destroyers were sunk and two more were seriously damaged. Several enemy torpedo boats were destroyed by artillery fire of Soviet destroyers. In this case, the effect of surprise was that when planning an operation, Soviet rocket boats were not taken into account, and the NATO admirals had no idea how effective an anti-ship missile could be P-15.

The Soviet troops in the Arctic could not achieve their objectives. Marine and airborne landing forces in Norway managed to capture only small bridgeheads. The Norwegians had a very serious resistance, only after the Soviet diesel-electric submarines, pr.611AV, destroyed the Bodø and Orland airbases with the P-11F missiles, and the attacks of the F-86F and F-84 bombers stopped. However, after the liquidation of the Norwegian air bases, deck aircraft from the American aircraft carriers Entempraise and Coral Sea and the British Ark Royal and Hermes came to the aid of their allies. Due to the limited radius of action, the Soviet MiG-17 and MiG-19 were not able to protect the paratroopers from bombardment. Nevertheless, the Soviet troops managed to seize the southern part of Norway, which facilitated the exit of the Fleet forces in the North Sea.

Simultaneously with the withdrawal of troops beyond the Rhine, the Americans showed serious determination not to allow the further advance of the troops of the Warsaw Pact countries to the west of Europe. In the early days of the conflict in France from Fort Jackson (South Carolina), the military transport aviation deployed the 101-I air assault division. Mobilized passenger airliners were used to send 4 Infantry Division troops to the British Isles from Texas. American soldiers received equipment, armament and equipment from pre-prepared army warehouses. 3-4 took 24 hours to decommission and bring the equipment received from the warehouses to operational status and combat coordination of the units. Convoys loaded with equipment and personnel of several tank and infantry divisions quickly left the United States in the direction of Europe.

In turn, units of 5 and 6 of the Guards Tank Armies, 7 of the Tank and 11 of the Guards Combined Arms Army were pulled up to Germany from the territory of Poland, the Baltic States, Ukraine and Belarus. However, the redeployment of Soviet troops was slower than the generals would have liked. This was due to the destruction of the railway communication of Eastern Europe. The troops had to make long marches, overcoming the zones of radioactive contamination, strongly stretching along the roads, spending fuel and equipment life. As a result, the transfer of reserves greatly stretched over time, and neither side was able to get a decisive advantage. By November 10, the war took on a positional character.

In Asia, the advancement of North Korean and Chinese troops on the Korean Peninsula was halted by tactical nuclear weapons. The Soviet command refrained from the participation of the ground forces of the KVDO in the hostilities in Korea, but provided assistance by air. To reinforce the Sino-Korean grouping, an IL-28 front bomber regiment and two MiG-17 fighter regiments were sent. After a lull, the defense of the American and South Korean troops was hacked by the nuclear strikes of the Mars and Philin tactical missile systems. One battalion of these missiles was covertly shipped to the DPRK. The management of the launches of tactical nuclear missiles and the planning of strikes was carried out by the Soviet command.


Self-propelled launcher tactical missile system 2K4 "Filin"


After the North Korean and Chinese Thirty-Fours, IS and self-propelled guns broke through the US-South Korean defense between Yonchon and Chorvon, passing Seoul from the east, Zentu-Chinese troops stormed the partially destroyed American Osann air base, which was in Zapuzhnumuzhnomu, Zapuzhniyu, Zhukosha, Zhukun-Tsuk On November 60, as a result of the seizure of Suwon, the capital of the Republic of Korea, Seoul and the port of Incheon were surrounded by land forces by the DPRK and the PLA.


F-84G


Even nuclear strikes did not help to stop the offensive from the north, they were carried out by tactical fighters F-84G, based at Kunsan airbase in the western part of the Korean Peninsula on the coast of the Yellow Sea 240 km south of Seoul, and tactical missile complexes Onest John. Cruise missiles MGM-13 Mace, launched from Okinawa along strategic North Korean targets, also had no particular influence on the course of military operations. In response, nuclear territory was once again subjected to nuclear bombing. Among other objects, the thermonuclear bomb dropped from the Tu-16A destroyed the large port of Nagasaki on the south-west coast.


Land-based cruise missile MGM-13 Mace


The actions of the Chinese H-5 and a nuclear bomb dropped from the Soviet IL-28, the American Kunsan airbase with the capital shelters for aircraft and concrete runways with a length of 2700 meters was removed from the game. The command of the troops of the DPRK and the PLA, regardless of the losses, brought into the battle all the new forces. Military units made marches through foci of radiation contamination without any means of protection, after which they rushed to the frontal attacks on enemy fortified positions. On the mountain road in the Gangwon area, a North Korean special forces unit, secretly landed from the An-2 aircraft, managed to capture and hold up to the main forces approach two M203 towed howitzer and a special conveyor for nuclear shells. As a result of this brilliantly conducted operation, two M115 nuclear projectiles fell at the disposal of Kim Il Sung.

After the destruction of the Kunsan airbase in South Korea, the Americans attempted to compensate for this loss with military aircraft based in Japan and on aircraft carriers, but they were linked by Soviet aircraft. The American troops left without air support fled, and they began an emergency evacuation by sea from the ports of Incheon and Chinhai. The United States refused to continue the struggle for the Korean Peninsula, although it was possible to land in the rear of the advancing communist armies of the landing of the 2 Division of the Marine Corps from Guam. The main reasons for refusing further struggle for Korea were the heavy losses of the American troops, the appearance of tactical nuclear weapons and the enemy’s severe radiation contamination of a large part of the Korean Peninsula, as well as difficulties in the delivery of cargo by sea due to the high activity of the submarine forces of the Pacific Fleet.

Dozens of Japanese F-86s and Soviet MiG-17 and MiG-19 came together over the Sakhalin and Hokkaido air battles. Soviet fighters tried to cover the exit to the positions of submarines. In turn, the Japanese defended anti-submarine aircraft and coastal targets. The Soviet command refused from the planned landing on Hokkaido due to the impossibility of providing constant air cover and guaranteed supply of reserves and supplies in conditions of considerable superiority of the US Navy in surface ships. The situation became seriously complicated after the American aircraft carrier "Kitty Hawk" (CV-12) escorted by missile cruisers and destroyers who had escaped the destruction of the R-63 R-XNUMX in Yokosuka approached the area.

In the afternoon, 2 in November, the aircraft carrier Constellation (CV-64), which joined the fleet a year ago and was going to connect with the main forces of the 7 US fleet, was sunk along with three destroyers by a nuclear torpedo from a diesel boat TOFA X. NUMX southeast of Hokkaido. The boat itself, which received minor damage, managed to break away from the pursuit of anti-submarine forces at nightfall, but, ironically, she died at the Soviet minefields exposed near the coast of Sakhalin, awaiting the US-Japanese naval assault.


Launch of cruise missiles with submarines pr.659


A few days after the beginning of the conflict began active hostilities at sea. On the night of 6 on November 7, the airbases, ports and cities on the east coast of the United States were attacked by cruise and ballistic missiles from Soviet nuclear submarines, 659 Ave. and 658 Ave. Cruise missiles were also attacked by the American naval base in Hawaii - Pearl Harbor. Even taking into account the fact that rocket launches were carried out at night, the survival rate of the boats was low. Of the three boats of the 659 Ave. with cruise missiles participating in the attacks, all were sunk, and of the two SSBNs of the 658 Ave, one survived. In addition to the boats with ballistic missiles in the Soviet fleet in the 1962, there were 10 diesel-electric submarines with cruise missiles P-5. Five of them managed to shoot at targets in Scandinavia, Turkey and Japan.


NPS pr.627


At the end of October, six submarines Ave 1962 operated in the ocean of 627. Initially, their targets were the ports and naval bases of the enemy, it turned out to work out five torpedoes with nuclear torpedoes. On November 1, the Soviet nuclear submarine, 627 Ave., destroyed two berthing facilities in Singapore along with moored British and American warships with two nuclear torpedoes. The US and NATO antisubmarine forces succeeded in destroying one nuclear submarine on the approach to Gibraltar, and another, forced to surface in the Pacific Ocean due to the malfunction of the reactor after completing the mission, was sunk by Japanese anti-submarine aircraft Р-2 Neptune.


Japanese anti-submarine aircraft P-2 Neptune


The Americans, taking advantage of the overwhelming advantage of NATO in large warships, made every effort to seize the initiative at sea. In addition, the US Navy was actively used to support ground forces in Europe and Asia. American SSBNs that advanced to the lines of launching SLBMs continued to deliver nuclear strikes on Soviet targets. One American missile boat shot out from the Mediterranean, and the other from the North. The result of these attacks was the destruction of a number of Soviet airfields, naval bases and key transportation hubs.

In the USSR Navy, in addition to relatively few submarines in the 1962, there were about 200 torpedo submarines Ave.611, 613, 633 and 641. Before the first nuclear explosions at sea, more than 100 Soviet diesel boats could be brought out. After the beginning of the conflict, part of them was destroyed by anti-submarine forces, however, the remaining crews made every effort to neutralize the US surface fleet. For Soviet submarines and naval aircraft carrying aircraft, the priority targets were American aircraft carriers. The main problem of the Soviet submariners was the lack of information on the whereabouts of the American carrier strike groups. Therefore, the command of the Navy of the USSR was forced to form the so-called "veil" in the path of the alleged pursuit of American fleets. During the fighting at sea, the sides actively used nuclear torpedoes and depth bombs. At the cost of the death of 70 diesel and nuclear submarines and 80% of sea-launched missile and mine-torpedo aircraft, it was possible to sink three strike aircraft carriers (including the newest atomic Enterprise CVN-65) and a little more than two dozen destroyers and cruisers.


Soviet diesel-electric submarines pr-xnum


In the "veils" on the route of NATO squadrons, mainly the most numerous type of boats were involved in the USSR Navy - pr.NUMX, and also boats pr.613 and diesel missile submarines, which spent their SLBMs on targets in Europe. Larger boats pr.633 and 611, as well as nuclear ships pr.641 operated on ocean communications. The use of torpedoes with nuclear charges allowed, to some extent, to devalue the enemy’s multiple superiority in surface ships. In addition, nuclear torpedoes in some cases proved to be very effective against port facilities and naval bases. After 627 days after the start of the conflict, the Soviet diesel submarine, 10, managed to get close to the entrance to the Panama Canal and destroy the lock chambers with an atomic torpedo. As a result, this seriously hampered the maneuver of the American fleet. Several Soviet diesel submarines also managed to torpedoes with a nuclear filling to destroy a number of ports on the US coast, along with troop transports standing under loading, which seriously hampered the sending of troops to Europe. Some diesel-electric submarines, which had avoided destruction by anti-submarine forces, were forced to intern at the ports of the neutral states of Asia, Africa and Central America after the exhaustion of supplies.

Soviet surface ships operated mainly on their own coast, conducting anti-submarine and anti-amphibious operations. An attempt by four Soviet cruisers of the 68-bis project and two old cruisers of the 26-bis project, which were accompanied by destroyers, to provide artillery support to the Soviet landing forces in Norway was stopped by the actions of the American carrier-based aircraft.

As a result of the response of the American strategic and carrier-based aviation and nuclear-powered ballistic-missile submarines, about 90% of coastal airfields and almost all the bases of the Soviet fleet were destroyed. Huge damage was inflicted on the military infrastructure and communications system. As a result, three weeks after the start of the conflict, the fighting at sea almost subsided. The same thing happened on land theater, due to the depletion of the parties' capabilities, the exchange of strategic and tactical nuclear strikes on land ceased in 15 days.

The losses of the parties to the conflict amounted to about 100 million. killed during the year, another 150 million. were injured, burned and received significant doses of radiation. The consequences of hundreds of nuclear explosions in Europe made a significant part of it unsuitable for life. In addition to huge areas of continuous destruction, almost the entire territory of Germany, more than half of the territory of Great Britain, Czechoslovakia, and Poland, significant parts of France, Belarus and Ukraine were subjected to the strongest radiation contamination. In this regard, the surviving population of countries in the zone controlled by NATO, were sent to southern France, Italy, Spain, Portugal and North Africa. Later, part of the population of Western European countries was shipped by sea to South Africa, South and Central America, Australia and New Zealand. The population of Eastern European countries was evacuated to the rural areas of the European part of the USSR, beyond the Urals, into Central Asia and into the Caucasus. The aggravated food problems were largely mitigated by the supply of meat from Mongolia.

In industrial terms, the USSR and the United States were thrown decades ago. Due to the inability to produce modern weapons in sufficient quantities in the Soviet Union and the United States began to massively return to the system, it would seem, hopelessly outdated military equipment. In the USSR, in order to make up for losses in tanks, several thousand T-34-85 tanks and ZiS-3 guns entered the troops, the Tu-2 dive bombers, the Tu-10 attack aircraft and the piston "strategic" Tu-4 returned to aviation. The Americans also returned later versions of the Sherman tanks, piston fighters Mustang and Corsair, twin-engine A-26 bombers, strategic B-29, B-50 and B-36 bombers.

After the termination of the active phase of hostilities from European countries, France, Italy and Spain, which were least affected by nuclear bombings, retained a certain amount of weight. The already shaky military and political influence of the states of the Old World was destroyed in the flames of nuclear war, and the process of decolonization sharply intensified, accompanied by an unprecedented slaughter of the white population in the former colonies. In the Middle East, the Arab coalition hastily put together an attempt to eliminate Israel by armed means. Left with virtually no outside help, the Israelis, at the cost of tremendous casualties, managed to repel the first attacks. But later most of the Jews were evacuated by sea to the United States and Arab troops occupied Jerusalem. However, peace in this part did not come, soon Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq joined each other.

Oddly enough, in spite of the destruction, in many respects China has won from nuclear war. Chinese influence in the world has increased significantly, and in Asia it has become dominant. Virtually the entire Korean Peninsula and most of Japan were unsuitable for further residence due to severe radiation contamination. Taiwan and Hong Kong have come under Chinese control. Chinese military bases appeared in Burma and Cambodia. The Soviet leadership for the early replenishment of the military potential established on the territory of the PRC the production of nuclear weapons and a number of strategic weapons, while Mao Zedong managed to bargain for the condition that the division of military products would be done in half. Thus, China, which had become a “nuclear power” ahead of time, gained access to modern rocket technologies. In general, the military-political significance in the world of the USSR and the USA has greatly decreased, and the PRC, India, the Republic of South Africa and the countries of South America gradually began to become "centers of power".

Based on:
http://ns2.fmp.msu.ru/assets/files/theCaribbeancrisis.pdf
http://alternathistory.com/karibskii-armageddon-chast-i
http://alternathistory.com/sootnoshenie-yadernykh-sil-ovd-nato-na-moment-karibskogo-krizisa
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  1. +4
    12 July 2016 06: 28
    Due to the impossibility of producing modern weapons in sufficient quantities, the Soviet Union and the United States began to massively put into operation, it would seem, hopelessly outdated military equipment. In the USSR, several thousand T-34-85 tanks and ZiS-3 guns entered the army to make up losses in tanks from storage bases, the surviving diving Tu-2 bombers, Il-10M attack aircraft and Tu-4 piston "strategists" returned to aviation. The Americans also returned the Sherman tanks of late modifications, the Mustang and Corsair piston fighters, the A-26 twin-engine bombers, the B-29, B-50 and B-36 strategic bombers to the combat units.

    Well, okay, about tanks - you can even train a "shpak" to control an old tank very quickly, not much more difficult than on a tractor (although here, at least with the same gunners). But as for aviation ... The same "take-off and landing" requires at least two months, while the cadet must know the materiel well before that (and navigators are a special conversation). Where does this optimism come from, especially in the context of panic and the rapid reduction of human resources in a nuclear war? There will simply be no one to control a huge part of the preserved equipment. And the higher the personal requirements for their operators, the more equipment remains simply unclaimed. I note that here the USSR has a clear advantage due to the compulsory military courses taught in schools and universities (and in general, the mass training of recruits was our strongest side in the Second World War - a global one, it is not the aces who win the war for attrition). Additional consideration: the majority of those who fought in the USSR did not have time to go into circulation, and generally retained their combat skills. There were also a lot of men who fought in Europe (but according to the scenario described, Europe drank the most "peaceful atom"), but in the USA there were not many of them. This country did not come close to experiencing anything like scraping the bottom of the human reserves, and throughout most of the war, mostly volunteers were sent to the front.
    1. +9
      12 July 2016 06: 39
      Quote: Fei_Wong
      Well, okay, about tanks - you can even train a "shpak" to control an old tank very quickly, not much more difficult than on a tractor (although here, at least with the same gunners). But as for aviation ... The same "take-off and landing" requires at least two months, while the cadet must know the materiel well before that. Where does this optimism come from, especially in the context of panic and the rapid reduction of human resources in a nuclear war? Most of the recovered equipment will simply have no one to control.


      You are wrong, in the USSR until the mid-70s there was a system of training flight personnel for the "strategic reserve". The avionics of the then aircraft were quite simple, which made it easier to master. In addition, the USSR had quite a few qualified civil aviation pilots. So in this case, your pessimism is not justified. No.
      1. 0
        12 July 2016 14: 11
        It is necessary to move to permanent residence somewhere in Australia, New Caledonia or New Zealand as soon as possible, otherwise history tends to come true in its new round of development. smile .
    2. +9
      12 July 2016 08: 37
      Thank you, Sergey!
      Quote: Fei_Wong
      surviving diving Tu-2 bombers, Il-10M attack aircraft returned to aviation

      I served in 1969-1971 at the S-75 air defense system and I can say that these aircraft flying at extremely low altitudes were a certain difficulty for air defense, and it was difficult to intercept them even with the 20DS and 5Y23 missiles in the BC.
      1. +1
        12 July 2016 14: 11
        The author (I wanted to write an afftor, but education does not allow) "squirrel" arising from persons who have re-read, the literary genre is designated as "alternative history". This very story - "does not tolerate the subjunctive mood." Why ... why bother people? If you have such an "advanced" craving for "creativity" write yourself on samizdat. And poorly cover the role of Alexander Ivanovich Pokryshkin in "Caribbean Crisis"? Or is the brain full of notions only?
    3. +5
      12 July 2016 17: 05
      Quote: Fei_Wong
      Additional consideration: the majority of those who fought in the USSR did not have time to go into circulation, and generally retained their combat skills. There were also a lot of men who fought in Europe (but according to the scenario described, Europe drank the most of the "peaceful atom"), while in the USA there were few of them. This country did not come close to experiencing anything like scraping the bottom of the human reserves, and throughout most of the war, mostly volunteers were sent to the front.

      Nevertheless, the preparation of reserves in WWII in the United States was put on a grand scale.
      ... in 1941, the Air Force received 7244 pilots, 601 navigators, 3010 scorers, in 1943 - 65 797, 15 928, 16 057, respectively.

      And this is only the Air Force. But there was still fleet aviation, which in 1943 received more than 10 pilots.

      So there are crews for the Mustangs, Corsairs, Invaders and Superfortresses.
    4. +3
      14 July 2016 16: 02
      The British destroyers and two groups of Danish and German torpedo boats attempted to carry out a raid operation, but were detected in time and were attacked by the division of the missile boats BF Ave. 183Р.
      Within ten minutes, three British destroyers were sunk and two more were seriously damaged.

      NATO admirals did not have any idea how effective the PKR P-15 could be.
      Author Sergey Linnik

      If, according to the author's idea, the actions took place before the 1965 year, they really did not know.
      Although the PKR P-15 were adopted for the 1960 year,
      but in the effectiveness of the Termites (as in the effectiveness of the mosquito fleet), the NATO admirals learned a few years later.
      In 1967, two boats of the "Komar" type of the Egyptian Navy sank the Israeli destroyer "Eilat".
      4 start-up - and everything is on target!

      This was the first case of the combat use of self-guided cruise missiles, and it gave impetus to the development of anti-ship missiles throughout the world.


      Missile boat project 183-P Navy of Egypt.
      Mediterranean Sea, the coast of the Egyptian city of Aboukir
      (21.03.2009)
  2. +5
    12 July 2016 06: 45
    Speech is not an article what you need! And as I understand it, ganjubas was good ... Thank you Serega for an interesting script ..
    I’ll write a thread and write such a thread ..
    Good luck!
  3. 0
    12 July 2016 06: 45
    Quote: Bongo
    Quote: Fei_Wong
    Well, okay, about tanks - you can even train a "shpak" to control an old tank very quickly, not much more difficult than on a tractor (although here, at least with the same gunners). But as for aviation ... The same "take-off and landing" requires at least two months, while the cadet must know the materiel well before that. Where does this optimism come from, especially in the context of panic and the rapid reduction of human resources in a nuclear war? Most of the recovered equipment will simply have no one to control.


    You are wrong, in the USSR until the mid-70s there was a system of training flight personnel for the "strategic reserve". The avionics of the then aircraft were quite simple, which made it easier to master. In addition, the USSR had quite a few qualified civil aviation pilots. So in this case, your pessimism is not justified. No.

    С by that - I did not argue. Read my post to the end. I supplemented it in order to clarify the idea.
  4. +2
    12 July 2016 06: 47
    On the whole, the military-political significance in the world of the USSR and the USA has greatly decreased, and China, India, South Africa and the countries of South America gradually began to become centers of power.

    For the USSR, located on the same continent with the PRC and India, this is a completely bleak option. Especially if the PRC begins to sort things out with India, and the USSR will have to act as a vassal ally of the PRC
  5. +5
    12 July 2016 06: 52
    Thanks. The story recalled 3 books by Fyodor Berezin "Red Stars" by an abundance of radioactive ash.
  6. +4
    12 July 2016 06: 59
    This is for the magazine if the article? The love-heroic line is not enough.
  7. +3
    12 July 2016 07: 44
    Now fiction, an alternative story to go?
    Well, make a separate section for it and not on the main page!
    There is so much of this slag in the internet - you can pick up any resource like two fingers on asphalt.
  8. +7
    12 July 2016 07: 50
    The main conclusion. The war with the use of yao is absolute madness.
    1. 0
      12 July 2016 22: 09
      Nuclear weapons are just weapons for the crazy - it worked at 45, it works again - the question is when and where.
  9. +4
    12 July 2016 08: 11
    Two dozen advancing motorized infantry and tank divisions of the GSVG and six divisions of the GDR army, in addition to the barreled artillery and MLRS, cleared the way for tactical missiles Luna and R-11.

    The role of the Airborne Forces in the offensive is not described, and the use of nuclear weapons is excessive, the advancing forces of nuclear weapons are hardly used so intensively. After all, what is the use of the captured area on which it is impossible to conduct business.
    However, the redeployment of Soviet troops was slower than the generals would like. This was due to the destruction of railway links in Eastern Europe.

    But what about the destroyed railway communication in the USSR? Does it not interfere? How to bring up reserves and where to get them if all major cities are in ruins and mobilization is disrupted?
    A few days after the start of the conflict, active hostilities began at sea.

    Not started. Soviet naval bombs (unlike the American ones) were all within the reach of missile strikes and after the ICBM strike there was nothing left of them. One could not begin to describe what could not be.
    After the North Korean and Chinese Thirty-Four, ISs and self-propelled guns broke through the US-South Korean defense between Yonghon and Chhorvon, bypassing Seoul from the east

    An extremely erroneous statement, which I forgot to point out in the second part.
    Why would China climb into Korea? Suddenly for no reason? To hell with Korea? If anyone forgot in 1962. the Chinese began to probe our borders in the east:
    Already in the summer of 1960, incidents began to arise on the entire 7520-kilometer Soviet-Chinese border, which gradually became increasingly provocative. Chinese citizens, individual military personnel and groups of military personnel defiantly violated the border, behaving extremely defiantly, provoking the Soviet border guards to a violent rebuff. In 1962 alone, more than 5 thousand different violations of the border regime were registered at the border. The situation was becoming more and more explosive.

    Most likely, Mao would succumb to the expectation of a weakening of one side or another, accumulating strength.
    1. 0
      12 July 2016 14: 17
      Quote: Leto
      Two dozen advancing motorized infantry and tank divisions of the GSVG and six divisions of the GDR army, in addition to the barreled artillery and MLRS, cleared the way for tactical missiles Luna and R-11.

      The role of the Airborne Forces in the offensive is not described, and the use of nuclear weapons is excessive, the advancing forces of nuclear weapons are hardly used so intensively. After all, what is the use of the captured area on which it is impossible to conduct business.
      However, the redeployment of Soviet troops was slower than the generals would like. This was due to the destruction of railway links in Eastern Europe.

      But what about the destroyed railway communication in the USSR? Does it not interfere? How to bring up reserves and where to get them if all major cities are in ruins and mobilization is disrupted?
      A few days after the start of the conflict, active hostilities began at sea.

      Not started. Soviet naval bombs (unlike the American ones) were all within the reach of missile strikes and after the ICBM strike there was nothing left of them. One could not begin to describe what could not be.
      After the North Korean and Chinese Thirty-Four, ISs and self-propelled guns broke through the US-South Korean defense between Yonghon and Chhorvon, bypassing Seoul from the east

      An extremely erroneous statement, which I forgot to point out in the second part.
      Why would China climb into Korea? Suddenly for no reason? To hell with Korea? If anyone forgot in 1962. the Chinese began to probe our borders in the east:
      Already in the summer of 1960, incidents began to arise on the entire 7520-kilometer Soviet-Chinese border, which gradually became increasingly provocative. Chinese citizens, individual military personnel and groups of military personnel defiantly violated the border, behaving extremely defiantly, provoking the Soviet border guards to a violent rebuff. In 1962 alone, more than 5 thousand different violations of the border regime were registered at the border. The situation was becoming more and more explosive.

      Most likely, Mao would succumb to the expectation of a weakening of one side or another, accumulating strength.

      Ivan, in the last article I also raised the question that the Chinese, even at that time, would not have harnessed themselves for the USSR, why should they get involved in a nuclear conflict between the USA and the USSR and get luli, they will slowly stand on the sidelines and wait until they can start the "meal". wassat .
  10. +3
    12 July 2016 09: 00
    what Well, judging by the pulling together of forces to our borders and all sorts of missile defense systems directed against Iran and "other countries", the Americans are intensively preparing for something like this and may well sacrifice both Europe and Turkey and part of their coastal strip.
    It is necessary to speed up the development of Status 6 and what other tools are there like "scrap".
    Didn’t our people understand that it would not be so easy and simple to break through the ocean, and the main enemy was planning to sit out - for sure, some options were calculated other than using only scorers and submarines.
    1. 0
      12 July 2016 22: 16
      The enemy is cunning, instead of bombers, tens of thousands of cruise missiles, fifteen hundred warheads, thousands of missile defense and all this around Russia.
  11. +4
    12 July 2016 09: 02
    Sergey, the script is tough, but unlikely ... Everything is too beautiful and according to plan! In fact ... The most serious radioactive contamination of the area, excluding any action on it. Violation of the logistics and control chains. The weakening of state power and riots and rebellions! Panic! And this is only a small part of the contradictions. Under the auspices of the big fox, Mexico will trample on Texas, and so on ...
    1. 0
      12 July 2016 14: 20
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      Sergey, the script is tough, but unlikely ... Everything is too beautiful and according to plan! In fact ... The most serious radioactive contamination of the area, excluding any action on it. Violation of the logistics and control chains. The weakening of state power and riots and rebellions! Panic! And this is only a small part of the contradictions. Under the auspices of the big fox, Mexico will trample on Texas, and so on ...

      "Under the auspices of the big fox" China and Iran will go to squeeze out of today's Russia ....
  12. +5
    12 July 2016 09: 21
    Things were much less successful in the Warsaw Pact countries in the Balkans. Two tank and two motorized rifle divisions of the Soviet Southern Group of Forces with the support of the Bulgarian and Romanian units launched military operations against the Greek and Turkish armies

    Why do we need it, attack Greece? belay Nobody would attack anyone, they would all be on the defensive and try to avoid war: the USSR had the main problems and tasks in Western Europe, but the Balkan countries did not need this.
    Turks and Greeks hating each other were forced to fight shoulder to shoulder against a common enemy.


    That's exactly what those who hate each other: In that "batch" that began, each of the small states would be for itself and I am 100% sure that neither ours would attack Greece, nor the Greeks attacked under any sauce would be on the USSR and would not obey any orders from NATO.
    In the Balkans, an attempt by the Balkan countries themselves in a mess is more likely AGAIN try to resolve their old claims to each other and then the Greeks with the Turks could only fight.
  13. +1
    12 July 2016 09: 22
    One question for our "Tom Clancy", where did he see the MOTOR-INFANTRY division in the GSVG?
    Two dozen advancing motorized infantry and tank divisions of the GSVG
  14. +4
    12 July 2016 09: 30
    SW Posted by Sergey! Thank you very much for the story, very interestingly, I read it with pleasure and looked forward to all the sequels. I understand that the end of this action, a combat draw with a slight margin in our direction? Will there be a sequel? .........

    PS
    Without malice over your work (which many unfortunately allow themselves here) I propose landing in the USA and hoisting the Soviet flag on the ruins of the capitol, but what? The tradition is good, why step back from it.
    1. +5
      12 July 2016 09: 50
      Quote: Kurasava
      Without malice over your work (which many unfortunately allow themselves here) I propose landing in the USA and hoisting the Soviet flag on the ruins of the capitol, but what? The tradition is good, why step back from it.

      what And on what will we be transported there? Barges and other ships will be sunk on the way, the shores are contaminated with radiation, through Alaska it will be a very difficult passage and it will be practically impossible to defend oneself from enemy aircraft. Well, you should take into account the moment of the impossibility of hoisting the flag due to the lack of a capitol as such, well, there is a solid glass and radiation in its place and around it.
    2. +13
      12 July 2016 10: 06
      Quote: Kurasava
      SW Posted by Sergey! Thank you very much for the story, very interestingly, I read it with pleasure and looked forward to all the sequels. I understand that the end of this action, a combat draw with a slight margin in our direction? Will there be a sequel? .........

      Alas, there will be no continuation ... I think it's superfluous. In general, I am not a supporter of an alternative genre, the purpose of this publication was to show how close we were to the disaster in 1962 and to remind the "uryalka" how fragile and vulnerable our world is. I myself rate this 3-part series as "three with a minus". It was written "quickly", without serious preparation. This is partly due to the lack of time, partly the reason is the initially not serious attitude to this particular publication. Usually I try to prepare the material better. On the other hand, all sorts of "Damantsevs" regularly publishing articles of a pseudo-technical nature flavored with "hurray-patriotism" manage to make shoals many times larger, and nothing like "water off a duck's back." So, I ask everyone not to judge me too harshly in this case.
      Quote: Kurasava
      PS
      Without malice over your work (which many unfortunately allow themselves here) I propose landing in the USA and hoisting the Soviet flag on the ruins of the capitol, but what? The tradition is good, why step back from it.

      No, I'm sorry, the remnants of my common sense do not allow me to go so far! request Of course, in this publication, I did not poke fun weakly, but there is a measure for everything.
      1. +6
        12 July 2016 13: 10
        Thanks for the article. I read it with pleasure
      2. +6
        12 July 2016 13: 12
        Quote: Bongo
        Alas, there will be no continuation ... I think it's superfluous. In general, I am not a supporter of an alternative genre, the purpose of this publication was to show how close we were to the disaster in 1962 and to remind the "uryalka" how fragile and vulnerable our world is. I myself rate this 3-part series as "three with a minus". It was written "quickly", without serious preparation. This is partly due to the lack of time, partly the reason is the initially not serious attitude to this particular publication. Usually I try to prepare the material better. On the other hand, all sorts of "Damantsevs" regularly publishing articles of a pseudo-technical nature flavored with "hurray-patriotism" manage to make shoals many times larger, and nothing like "water off a duck's back." So, I ask everyone not to judge me too harshly in this case.

        ... do not stop! :-)
        In general, it turns out pretty good!
        Especially when you consider reasonable criticism.

        And so, taking as a basis what is written, it is worth making the 2 edition ... and more!

        Good luck! hi
        1. +3
          12 July 2016 13: 47
          Quote: Rus2012
          And so, taking as a basis what is written, it is worth making the 2 edition ... and more!

          ... by the way, the continuation can be done as a strategic game on the cards ...;))))))))))))
      3. +5
        12 July 2016 21: 11
        I join those who are grateful to you for the series. The scenario is quite real, and as far as the descriptions of the actions of the parties are concerned, then not only everyone can please all couch experts, few can smile
        And so really interesting! Maybe change your mind and still make more detailed material?
    3. +1
      13 July 2016 22: 48
      In fact, the real symbol of the United States is not the Capitol, but McDonald's and the dollar. Both that and another successfully got on the former territory of the USSR in 1991 (and without any war)
  15. +3
    12 July 2016 09: 58
    The section of consequences does not take into account the surrounding winds, which will "smear" radioactive fallout throughout the planet in an even layer within 2-3 months, and very few "non-contaminated" places on the planet will remain. Only areas "shielded" by high mountains, such as the Himalayas, the Andes and, possibly, partly the Sayan Mountains, will remain such. In other regions, even a relatively small (in comparison with places of mass use of nuclear weapons) increase in the level of radiation will lead to the most terrible - the accumulation of radioactive elements in the water, which cannot be cleaned in any way. The population in these areas will either die of thirst or die out quickly due to the constant use of poisoned water. In addition to this, climate change must be considered. Remember that very 1816 "year without summer" - and there was only a pitiful semblance of a nuclear winter caused by the colossal eruption of the Tambor volcano. "Civilized" in all fields, Europe reached mass cannibalism literally in 3 months of crop failure, tens of thousands of people fled in all directions. What will happen to people when an order of magnitude more dust is thrown into the atmosphere than from the Tambor volcano, and even radioactive - I personally can hardly imagine this.

    I believe that after the completion of the exchange of nuclear strikes, the number of mankind will decrease by ~ 95% in only one year. And this is at best.
    1. +2
      12 July 2016 10: 22
      Quote: Echo
      The section of consequences does not take into account the surrounding winds, which will "smear" radioactive fallout throughout the planet in an even layer within 2-3 months, and very few "non-contaminated" places on the planet will remain. Only areas "shielded" by high mountains, such as the Himalayas, the Andes and, possibly, partly the Sayan Mountains, will remain such. In other regions, even a relatively small (in comparison with places of mass use of nuclear weapons) increase in the level of radiation will lead to the most terrible - the accumulation of radioactive elements in the water, which cannot be cleaned in any way. The population in these areas will either die of thirst or die out quickly due to the constant use of poisoned water. In addition to this, climate change must be considered. Remember that very 1816 "year without summer" - and there was only a pitiful semblance of a nuclear winter caused by the colossal eruption of the Tambor volcano. "Civilized" in all fields, Europe reached mass cannibalism literally in 3 months of crop failure, tens of thousands of people fled in all directions. What will happen to people when an order of magnitude more dust is thrown into the atmosphere than from the Tambor volcano, and even radioactive - I personally can hardly imagine this.

      I believe that after the completion of the exchange of nuclear strikes, the number of mankind will decrease by ~ 95% in only one year. And this is at best.


      Even in the middle of 80's everything that you describe would not happen. No. Take a look at the statistics of atmospheric nuclear tests and how they affected the background radiation on the planet. Some time ago, the consequences of nuclear war were considered in a publication Nuclear era. Part 10(clickable) and argue about this, I'm just tired.
    2. +1
      12 July 2016 14: 44
      Quote: Echo
      The section of consequences does not take into account the surrounding winds, which will "smear" radioactive fallout throughout the planet in an even layer within 2-3 months, and very few "non-contaminated" places on the planet will remain. Only areas "shielded" by high mountains, such as the Himalayas, the Andes and, possibly, partly the Sayan Mountains, will remain such.


      This is unlikely - thermonuclear explosions throw radiation into the stratosphere. There will be no clean places.
      There will be unacceptably infected (shock centers) infected and relatively infected.

      Open water sources will definitely be unsuitable for use, and over time, groundwater - artesian sources will be poisoned.
      In any case, global radioactive pollution will not leave life on the planet, such as it was ...
      1. +2
        12 July 2016 23: 52
        Quote: DimerVladimer
        Open water sources will definitely be unsuitable for use, and over time, groundwater - artesian sources will be poisoned.
        In any case, global radioactive pollution will not leave life on the planet, such as it was ...

        Many answers can be found in Zharikov's book "Testing Grounds for Death". The author was just testing supplies and food at the Semipalatinsk test site.
        http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/zharikov_ad/index.html
    3. +2
      12 July 2016 23: 05
      “Remember that 1816“ year without summer ”- and there was only a miserable semblance of a nuclear winter caused by the colossal eruption of the Tambora volcano.“ Civilized ”Europe reached mass cannibalism in all fields in just 3 months of crop failure, tens of thousands of people fled wherever. What will happen to people when an order of magnitude more dust is thrown into the atmosphere than from the Tambor volcano, and even radioactive - I personally can hardly imagine this at all. " - In this war of 1962, both sides would have brought down 16000 megatons on each other - according to the calculation, 1 megaton evaporates 200000 tons of rock and raises 600000 tons of dust, from the calculation we get that all these explosions will release 13000000000 tons of dust into the atmosphere, which is 11 times less what was thrown into the atmosphere and troposphere by the Tambora volcano in 1815, but the pollution of the earth and atmosphere will be significant - although 90 percent of all radiation will remain in the territories where the explosions occurred, this is, from about 16000 megatons, the entire population of the earth will receive a dose of radiation at the end of the first year 0,04 Sievert, with each subsequent year this dose will decrease, Iodine 131 will decay in 8 days, Strontium 90 in 28 years, Cesium 137 in 30 years, Americium 241 in 432 years, Carbon 14 in 5700 years - people and the whole world had to to all live with it.
  16. +6
    12 July 2016 10: 01
    These three articles are already a whole scenario for a film documentary without the main character and love scenes. Would be a bestseller in the genre of science fiction / alternative reality. And everything is easy to read, just super. And if all this is decomposed in more detail (2 volumes of 400 sheets) then an excellent book will come out, I would definitely buy it :)
  17. +3
    12 July 2016 10: 13
    In 1962, the U.S. population was 180 million.

    In a preventive nuclear strike on the national territory of the United States, from 112 (ICBM and RSD submarines) to 144 (plus RSD in Cuba) nuclear charges with capacities from 1 to 6 megatons could be used.

    The start of the American invasion of Cuba was scheduled for the morning of October 27 of 1962, but until the middle of the day a tropical storm passed through the area. Flights of American reconnaissance aircraft over the island were resumed in the afternoon.

    Consequently, air strikes with fragmentation bombs on the explored positions of the Soviet RSD could have been delivered no earlier than 13 hours of Washington time (mid-day on the East coast and the beginning of the day on the West coast).

    Sending a radiogram to Moscow, preparing and launching the surviving RSD in Cuba would take no more than 30 minutes. Decision making and sending from Moscow by radio an order for a preventive nuclear strike - 30 minutes, preparation and launch of RSD submarines - 30 minutes, preparation and launch of ICBMs - 30 minutes. The flight time of RSD to targets in the United States is about 10 minutes, the flight time of ICBMs is about 40 minutes. Those. within one or two hours, megaton nuclear charges would fall on large American cities ranging from 112 to 144 and a population of one or more million people.

    Due to the impossibility of evacuating city residents in such a short time, one-time losses from the death of light, shock waves and penetrating radiation would make up from 100 to 150 million people or from 55 to 83 percent of the US population.

    The question is - how much would this influence the determination of the command of the Western European armies and the American expeditionary forces in Western Europe, Japan and South Korea to fight with the SA and PLA?
    1. +2
      12 July 2016 10: 56
      10 hours after the missile attack, the raid on the US by 208 of Soviet strategic bombers with nuclear bombs and megaton-class cruise missiles would be just a cherry on the cake.

      The bombing of the bombers would take place in conditions of disruption of the missile defense of North America in terms of radar, radio communications and avionics of fighters due to the formation of vast areas of ionized air over the territory of the United States and Canada.
    2. +5
      12 July 2016 13: 27
      Quote: Operator
      The start of the US invasion of Cuba was scheduled for the morning of October 27 1962,

      Here, though, a little wrong ...
      27 Oct D. Kennedy decided on an air strike in Cuba. The strike itself was to take place (if the Russians did not make concessions - to remove the missiles) no earlier than in 2 days. Those. 29 October, from the night of 28 to 29. Or in the early morning of 29.

      Ours, as you know, expected a strike already at night from 27 to 28.
      Accordingly, the Strategic Rocket Forces to 00 = 00 28.10.62 would be in 20 for a minute ready to start. In this state, with the prepared and refueled R-12, R-14, R-16, R-7 missiles - they could be MONTH.

      All other forces of the USSR Armed Forces in Cuba "covered" the actions of the missile division. And if the air defense missiles and the air force got involved in battles, the extreme moment - the missilemen automatically began pre-launch operations - "set the scheme for launch." Well, and then "preemptive strike" ...

      PS: as a response to a "preemptive strike" from the United States, up to 94 warheads (50% of combat-ready) ICBMs could arrive.
      You have to do something about this. Those. to "find" the key points of their defense in 1962 (the base airfield of "board number 1", the main bomb shelter, the main communications center, the strategic wire communications center ...) which of course existed and were probably targeted by the Russian ICBMs in the first strike (and not only).
      It is necessary to assess the probability of their failure ...
      1. +1
        12 July 2016 13: 46
        Preventive nuclear strike - retaliation for a preventive conventional strike on the SSAC.

        The time of the American strike was determined including the onset of daylight in Western Europe, where the US expeditionary force was located (for the possibility of its controlled entry into position). Given the difference in time (6 hours) and calendar time of year (fall), the beginning of the bombing of Cuba can be estimated at 13-14 hours in Washington time.
    3. 0
      13 July 2016 16: 21
      The population of the United States in 1961 was 183 million. taking into account the dispersal of the population (the majority lives in the suburbs and travels to work in the city. Of course there are exceptions in the form of megalopolises such as New York, but mostly ...) and a smaller share of the urban population in the United States - where did the loss figure 100-150 come from million?
      1. +2
        14 July 2016 06: 02
        Quote: ArikKhab
        and a smaller proportion of the urban population in the usa - where did the loss figure 100-150 million come from?

        And would nuclear strikes be carried out only in the USA? Do not forget about the USSR, the countries of Eastern and Western Europe, the PRC and the DPRK.
  18. +2
    12 July 2016 11: 44
    author! And Kazan. Has Kazan at least survived?
    1. +6
      12 July 2016 12: 43
      Quote: guzik007
      author! And Kazan. Has Kazan at least survived?

      I have nothing against the people living in Kazan ... but you probably know what you released at KAPO in the 50-60 years, so draw your own conclusions ... crying
    2. +3
      12 July 2016 23: 07
      Thermonuclear bombs would be dropped on Kazan, as on all other cities.
  19. +9
    12 July 2016 12: 57
    Apocalypse is approximately true.
    After the multi-million losses and the destruction of the main cities, there would be a draw.
    And China would have won as a result.

    The main victims: the USSR, the USA, Poland, Germany (both: both the GDR and the FRG), Great Britain.

    However...
    The USA is a very DE-centralized country. The loss of the capital and the president there will not be noticed.
    Each state lives according to its own laws.
    And since there were developed countries in the British Commonwealth less (or not at all) affected
    from nuclear attacks - like Canada and Australia, English-speaking guys would recover
    (as always helping his own) much faster than the USSR.

    Those. a total nuclear war in 1962 would not change the global balance of power.
    1. +2
      12 July 2016 13: 08
      What kind of sadness do you have for the remnants of the Anglo-Saxons and Western Europeans (stuffed with highly radioactive precipitations for 24000 years ahead by the least indulge)?

      You’d better estimate the situation of November 1962 with the release of one of the SA tank armies on the east coast of the Jordan bully
      1. +4
        12 July 2016 13: 58
        Why are you so trifling?
        "one of the tank armies of the SA to the east bank of the Jordan" ...
        To the Cape of Good Hope ... laughing
        1. +2
          12 July 2016 14: 38
          Again, your altruism about the Anglo-Saxons and Afrikaners is incomprehensible - whose will you be from? laughing

          In fig CA go to Africa - that there is oil in larger sizes than in the Persian Gulf?

          And to control the South African deposits of gold, platinum and diamonds, we had the local African National Congress, headed by the leader of the military wing Nelson Mandela. A motorized rifle division deployed across the Indian Ocean would solve the problem.
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      3. +5
        12 July 2016 17: 12
        Quote: Operator
        You’d better estimate the situation of November 1962 with the release of one of the SA tank armies on the east coast of the Jordan

        Heh heh heh ... so the article already figured it all out.
        Israel, Israel ... no more Israel:
        In the Middle East, the hastily knocked together Arab coalition attempted to liquidate Israel by force. Left almost without outside help, the Israelis, at the cost of huge casualties, were able to repel the first attacks. But later most of the Jews were evacuated by sea to the United States and Arab troops occupied Jerusalem. However, peace in this part did not come, soon Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq interlocked.
        1. -2
          12 July 2016 20: 29
          This is the version of the author of the article, which in all its parts demonstrates an anti-Soviet approach to the scenario of the possible development of the Caribbean conflict.

          I come from the Soviet preventive nuclear missile strike on the United States in the amount of more than 100 megaton-class warheads and the resulting loss of population of North America from 100 to 150 million people, after which the problems of the Indians (Israel) will not interest the sheriff (surviving Americans).

          In addition, two strategic directions of the SA strike on the Eurasian continent — Western Europe and the Middle East — have already been said. In the latter case, the USSR could not let things go by themselves on the issue of post-war possession of the world oil-bearing region and its periphery.

          In addition, the surviving population of the European part of the USSR would urgently need a clean radiation area for resettlement. Given the temporary global cooling (following the example of volcanic catastrophes), the territory of Iran, Iraq, Syria, Palestine and the Arabian Peninsula was ideally suited for this.
    2. +4
      12 July 2016 14: 37
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The USA is a very DE-centralized country. The loss of the capital and the president there will not be noticed.
      Each state lives according to its own laws.

      This is not a joke or a desire to pass off wishful thinking. What do you think, after this war, did the USA survive or split into two states: the USA and the United States? So far, there are strong supporters of the separation of the southern states in the south of the USA. In different years, the activity of supporters is different, depending on the situation. Actually, I wanted to ask this question to the professor, but I haven’t seen him on the site for a long time.
      1. +3
        12 July 2016 17: 56
        Every US state is an independent state.
        With all the political, judicial, financial structure. Everything is ready for separation.
        But for some reason they do not break up. I think this is an economic symbiosis.
        Common domestic market - convenient. Although there are strong trends in the world
        to separation, autonomy, independence. No one is insured, neither the United States, nor Russia, nor even China.
        1. +3
          12 July 2016 23: 57
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Every US state is an independent state.
          With all the political, judicial, financial structure. Everything is ready for separation.
          But for some reason they do not break up. I think this is an economic symbiosis.
          Common domestic market - convenient. Although there are strong trends in the world
          to separation, autonomy, independence. No one is insured, neither the United States, nor Russia, nor even China.

          Thank you! This topic was interesting to know the opinion of a disinterested person.
        2. 0
          26 May 2021 18: 25
          Actually, we have already broken up once. And during the Great Depression, too, they were on the verge of a civil war. And under the conditions of the Third World War, there will be no common market.
      2. 0
        12 July 2016 23: 11
        After a good dose of radiation, all these "supporters of the individual southern states" would have reclined within the first month, after the bombing.
  20. +1
    12 July 2016 13: 20
    Naval and airborne assault forces in Norway managed to capture only small bridgeheads. The Norwegians put up very serious resistance,

    Does it make sense?
    Knock out radars and airfields with tactical nuclear weapons and forget for a year.
    After the evacuation of the Rhine in order to stop the advance of the Soviet divisions, a massive blow was dealt to their near rear with tactical missiles MGM-5 Corporal.

    So often the author throws poison. device that the question arises, and why the hell the same Turkey, Romania, Greece and others fall under the influence of nuclear. blows? Something is thought that in the process many countries will simply declare their territories open and withdraw from the blocs and withdraw troops. This also applies to Poland.
    But later most of the Jews were evacuated by sea to the United States and Arab troops occupied Jerusalem.

    This is how many millions were evacuated.
    1. +6
      12 July 2016 13: 43
      Quote: atakan
      This also applies to Poland.

      our troops were in Poland, no?
    2. -2
      12 July 2016 13: 50
      Where and where would the Israelis be evacuated to highly radioactive North America? The author of the idea is minus for the highest standard anti-Semitism.
      1. +2
        12 July 2016 14: 08
        Quote: Operator
        Where and where would the Israelis be evacuated to highly radioactive North America? The author of the idea is minus for the highest standard anti-Semitism.

        Apparently to South America, although it would not be for the Jews, everyone would have most likely survived the Americans themselves.
        1. -2
          12 July 2016 14: 48
          The Israelis would have to evacuate to South America on their own, and only if they found somewhere unused vessels in the right quantity - just there at that time tens of millions of surviving Western Europeans and North Americans would flood.
        2. +8
          12 July 2016 17: 18
          Quote: Corsair
          Apparently to South America,

          Yeah ... to Argentina. Exactly 2 years after the abduction by the Mossadites of Eichmann. smile

          In general, it would be nice. Imagine a picture: one of the officially dead Parthenigenoss wakes up one morning, leaves the house ... and there are only Jews around! laughing
          1. +2
            12 July 2016 23: 13
            He would not have recognized the Jews, since they would all be in gas masks and cloaks.
      2. +4
        12 July 2016 14: 52
        Quote: Operator
        The author of the idea is minus for the highest standard anti-Semitism.

        You already decide, either here or here request You either reproach me with sympathies for the state of Israel, or with anti-Semitism. wink laughing
        1. +4
          12 July 2016 17: 20
          Quote: Bongo
          You either reproach me with sympathies for the state of Israel, or with anti-Semitism.

          Strict observance of mutually exclusive paragraphs is the cornerstone of the self-aware. smile
        2. -3
          12 July 2016 20: 36
          Excuse me - in the latter case I forgot to put such an emoticon laughing
    3. +1
      12 July 2016 18: 00
      "and the Arab troops occupied Jerusalem." ///

      There is a patch here - in 1962 most of Jerusalem was already near Jordan.
      In 1967 he was released / captured.
      I think in 1962 Israel would have fought off the Arabs somehow, but
      the development of the country would have slowed down without external assistance.
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  21. +2
    12 July 2016 14: 50
    "After the losses in equipment and personnel of the 39th and 57th motorized rifle guards divisions exceeded 50%"

    50% of the loss is the "broken" connection state. Nobody brings this to this even during a nuclear war. 30% of the losses is an incapacitated compound - after this it is necessary to use special ammunition, t.s. to avoid.

    And of course, there would be no nuclear winter, and radioactive contamination would have a focal character. Which is not sugar in general either.

    But what is completely not taken into account is the moral and psychological factor. I strongly suspect that each side would have huge problems with the personnel - people just scattered and went crazy. Moreover, in the USSR there would be less problems in comparison with NATO and with the allies of the USSR such as Czechs or Poles.
  22. +2
    12 July 2016 15: 26
    Translate all these horror stories into the languages ​​of NATO countries and read them overnight.
    Maybe then the mind will work that nobody will survive in the last war !!!
    1. -4
      12 July 2016 20: 41
      Since Voennoye Obozreniye is read by the citizens of NATO (judging by the flags on the authors), as well as the citizens of their satellite (Israel), in so far as we write in the comments what you are reading am
      1. +3
        13 July 2016 16: 23
        and how is Israel's "satelliteism" expressed in relation to NATO?
  23. +5
    12 July 2016 15: 58
    Quote: Operator
    10 hours after the missile attack, the raid on the US by 208 of Soviet strategic bombers with nuclear bombs and megaton-class cruise missiles would be just a cherry on the cake.

    There was no such raid on the United States. An 4 regiment (2 on 3М, 2 on ТУ-95) was prepared for the strike on the USA. Each regiment involved only TWO of the THREE squadrons. That is, from a shelf in 25 machines - a maximum of 16-17. Multiplied by 4 this would add up to the amount of 64-68 machines. In total, the number of Soviet strategists never reached 180 cars
    There were about 80 atomic Tupolevs, about 58-60 atomic Myasischevs. And that’s all, that is, in total about 95 TU planes were produced in the Russian Air Force, of which about 80 were carriers of nuclear weapons. In Meat-type 3M, 86 were released. Even taking into account non-nuclear machines, the maximum that the USSR could expose was about one and a half hundred
    1. +4
      12 July 2016 16: 04
      Quote: Old26
      There was no such raid on the United States. An 4 regiment (2 on 3М, 2 on ТУ-95) was prepared for the strike on the USA. Each regiment involved only TWO of the THREE squadrons. That is, from a shelf in 25 machines - a maximum of 16-17. Multiplied by 4 this would add up to the amount of 64-68 machines. In total, the number of Soviet strategists never reached 180 cars

      Vladimir, spit! It is impossible to prove to this individual living in his own universe, no matter what arguments you give. Apparently this is still a child who has certain knowledge but is not able to systematize and draw the right conclusions.
    2. 0
      12 July 2016 20: 49
      On the issue of the number of Soviet strategic carriers of nuclear weapons, including strategic bombers, as of October 1962, I am guided by the opinion of Colonel General V. Yesin, chief of the Main Staff of the Strategic Missile Forces.

      In addition, the overwhelming majority of US civilian casualties would have come from a preventive and fleeting strike by Soviet ICBMs based on national territory and RSDs based on submarines and in Cuba (those that were not opened by American airborne intelligence).

      So what happened after 10 hours, the blow of the Soviet strategic bombers would remain a cherry on the cake for any number of them.
  24. +1
    12 July 2016 16: 11
    Indeed, according to some reports, 3 working launchers for R-7A were featured in Plesetsk

    free translation of the chapter Espionage in Plesetsk
    from an article by Bart Hendrickx
    Building a Rocket Base in the Taiga: The Early Years of the Plesetsk Launch Site (1955-1969)

    ... "Looking back, it can be seen that the CIA almost accurately guessed with the estimate that the launches in Plesetsk functioned on January 1, 1960 - in fact, the readiness of the first launch was announced on December 15, 1959, and two launches - on February 17, 1960 d. However, the conclusion that the Polar Urals also reached operational status by the early 1960s was completely false due to estimates based on inconclusive evidence.

    Images of the Plesetsk area were again acquired by the next two successful CORONA satellite missions launched on June 16 and July 7, 1961 (# 9017 / Discoverer-25 and # 9019 / Discoverer-26). The photographic results were assessed as "the most important breakthrough of the Soviet long-range ballistic missile program since radar observation of test firing and U-2 flights for reconnaissance of launchers at a test range already several years ago." However, the main achievement of the missions, apparently, was the positive identification of operational objects P-16 ("second generation ICBM complexes") near the populated areas of Yurya, Yoshkar-Ola and Verkhnyaya Salda.

    The overall conclusion of the September 1961 report was that the coverage of the test site and potential deployment sites for ICBMs was sufficient to conclude that only a few ICBM systems were operational or under development. It was believed that around 1958, the Soviet Union decided to deploy only small forces of first-generation ICBMs, focusing on the complexes of second-generation missile systems. However, the CIA still overestimated the number of R-7 launch positions - from 10 to 25, while in reality there were only four ...
    http://kik-sssr.ru/Plesetsk_non_sekret.htm
  25. +2
    12 July 2016 17: 46
    Quote: guzik007
    author! And Kazan. Has Kazan at least survived?

    No. By the way, I also died. And God forbid, if it had burned down, otherwise you could have died from hunger. In Volgograd, Krasnoarmeysky district.
    1. +1
      12 July 2016 23: 17
      In the region, you would have survived by any means.
  26. +1
    12 July 2016 20: 21
    In the Turkish and Greek air forces, on the contrary, there were a significant number of supersonic fighters F-104, F-100 and attack F-84. As for the presence in the air forces of Greece and Turkey in 1962 of the F-104, and even more so a significant number, the author is not right. In the Greek Air Force, they began to arrive in 1965, Turkey in 1968.
  27. 0
    12 July 2016 20: 27
    I do not quite understand the meaning of such articles.
    I absolutely do not think that the Caribbean crisis could have any alternatives in its development, and the Soviet leadership understood this perfectly well, first "in maximum secrecy" by importing missiles into Cuba, and when it became known to the US leadership, prudently taking them out from there , despite the fact that the United States left its own in Turkey and then replaced them with more modern ones.
    Why is that? Yes, one does not have to be a genius to understand that Khrushchev knew much better than the author what the USSR would expect in the event of a war, and that he would be able to oppose it in return.
    The optimism of the author after this is more than not appropriate.
  28. 0
    12 July 2016 22: 06
    I read it!
    Talent, or rather, as we can now TALENT!
    I envy, well, I can’t write as much as people can manage to connect so many words into this work.
    Groupings of troops, types of weapons, and most importantly, all the cliches are in place (well, this is about the frontal attacks of the Chinese through infected places, tank wedges of the Soviet armies, the dominance of aircraft carriers).
    Well done, the author, but somehow it’s not clear what the result is that you need to store old equipment such as the T-34-85 and that aircraft carriers are the most formidable weapon.
    What in the end is ...
    But in the end - when the aliens arrive ... it's already just unbearable.
    With such ease, the time of approaching cities, the number of bombs, is simply written.
    Press the red button ... It's that easy !!!
  29. +2
    12 July 2016 23: 20
    And the port of Nagasaki was bombed again - for what?
    1. +4
      13 July 2016 13: 25
      Quote: Vadim237
      And the port of Nagasaki was bombed again - for what?

      One of the largest ports in Japan, American log ships still call there. And judging by everything, Sergei was just for fun to "bomb" him a second time.
  30. +3
    13 July 2016 00: 14
    Quote: Operator
    On the issue of the number of Soviet strategic carriers of nuclear weapons, including strategic bombers, as of October 1962, I am guided by the opinion of Colonel General V. Yesin, chief of the Main Staff of the Strategic Missile Forces.

    AND? The man himself was in Cuba at this moment, I do not argue. I won’t even argue that he knew the situation in the Strategic Missile Forces very well, but ... Recently, many authors (experts) and, unfortunately, Esin among them have such nonsense that their hairs stand on end. Therefore, do not refer to it as the ultimate truth.
    There is a huge amount of materials that clearly and unambiguously speaks of the number of produced vehicles, there is a register of serial numbers of strategic aviation aircraft (the site is partially under reconstruction). And this, sorry, outweighs many statements by experts such as Yesin (nothing personal, he’s just been carrying it in recently, but this is his problem)
    For example, none of such experts as Yesin refuted information about the number of aircraft that were preparing for an attack on the United States? Do you know why? Because against their words - information about which regiments of which division were being prepared, the names of the commanders.
    And one more detail. A lot of such experts, both you and Vadim 237 operate on the general release data. As a result, there are masterpieces that in the USSR, for example, during the crisis there were 800 infantry infantry regiment, or as you write, there are 208 strategic bombers (I don’t even specify whether they are atomic or not). In such cases, the well-known release figures are taken - and that’s it. Take the same cars Myasishchev. Typically, the numbers used are those issued by the same M-4. Namely 32 aircraft (rarely, but sometimes the figure 31). That would be involved in the Caribbean crisis, these 31 or 32 bombers and that's it.
    And if you look at it really, then what happens? 4 plane crashes in 1955, one each in 1956, 1957 and 1958. Total 7 cars MINUS. 3 serial M-4s were converted into experimental ones, on which refueling systems were worked out. The bombers were brewed, the bomb racks were dismantled. This is 3. A total of 10. That is, around 1958, 21-22 bombers remained in the form of bombers. In addition, in the same 1958, an intensive modernization of these vehicles into tankers was begun. How many of them were converted into tankers in 4 years? It’s not all, because 3M had to refuel. And we always take into account that 31-32 aircraft took part in the crisis. And if they didn’t even speak directly about the M-4, then it was clearly implied, given the total number of them.
    The same can be said of 3M. 86 vehicles of three options were produced - 41 3MS bomber, 35 3MN vehicles and 10 3MD vehicles. Until 1962 - 3 plane crashes, 1 3MS aircraft converted into 3ME was destroyed during a collision with another aircraft (M-50), two were converted into 3MD under the K-14 missile, which never appeared. That is, from 86 it is already possible to subtract 6. 80 remains. And continue to count 86 ...
    Etc. According to TU-95, to Tu-16 ....
    1. -3
      13 July 2016 01: 54
      So I’m saying that the number of bombers participating in the second wave of attack on the United States is not important:
      - A hundred-odd cities along with the population have already been destroyed by rocket attacks (and those who survived left the cities);
      - the bases of the ground forces, aviation and navy, the depots of nuclear ammunition are empty ("everyone went to the front");
      - Uranium enrichment plants and weapons-grade plutonium production reactors are also disabled by missile strikes.

      You can, of course, drop three-stage (fission-synthesis-fission) dirty atomic bombs from the bombers to massively infect the territory with unreacted 235 uranium, but this is a double-edged sword - the winds will also spread dust to the USSR.

      It makes sense to use strategic bombers in the first wave of undestroyed cities, defense industry enterprises and non-empty military bases, but this can only work if there is a simultaneous missile and air strike in the absence of an early warning system somewhere in North Korea or China, but not against the United States or the USSR in the 1962 year.

      Generally speaking, the topic of a preventive nuclear missile strike on the United States in the framework of the Caribbean crisis has largely exhausted itself - it is clear that unacceptable damage will be done to America, that the SA will go to the Atlantic and Indian Ocean, and what will happen there in the Far East (whether American landing will land in Vladivostok, or the Japanese islands will turn into one solid Hiroshima) only China is interesting.

      The questions remained unsolved:
      - damage to the population of the USSR from missile and air strikes by NATO;
      - migration of survivors in the USA, Canada and Western Europe to South America and, accordingly, migration from the USSR and Eastern Europe to the Middle East;
      - Survival of the population of Africa, Asia and South America;
      - China's place in the postwar world;
      - forms of control of the territory of the highly radioactive belt North America - Europe - North Asia.

      After reading the three parts of the article, it seems that the author knows nothing and / or can say nothing on these issues.
      1. +3
        13 July 2016 09: 19
        Quote: Operator
        The questions remained unsolved:

        ... many questions from this series are probabilistic in nature, and the degree of probability varies in a very wide range.

        What else remains poorly understood and is not reflected?
        First of all, the work of special forces of the USSR Armed Forces against the strategic nuclear forces of the enemy. After all, it is clear that in the absence of nuclear weapons (1945-49) in the Armed Forces of the Union, they dealt with this issue and achieved considerable results. There is information on this topic, in particular about the divisions of the KuOS, SpetsNaz ...
        It is well known that in the front line of the GSVG there would be anti-atomic groups with the task of capturing and neutralizing nuclear weapons (nuclear HEs) along the path of the advance of the Soviet Ground Forces.
        On the territory of the main enemy, RDGs would also operate with corresponding tasks ...
        1. -1
          13 July 2016 09: 47
          I do not agree - one-time events (missile launch, safety of the launch position, sinking of an aircraft carrier and other little things that the author of the article focused on) are probabilistic in nature.

          The number of hits with the available number of carriers with known performance characteristics against known performance characteristics of the enemy’s defense is not probabilistic, but quite calculated. Therefore, it is possible to calculate other quantitative indicators such as damage to the enemy as a whole for the population, carriers, objects of transport infrastructure without a specific breakdown by city, base, etc.

          Moreover, the author’s attempts to describe individual, clearly far-fetched episodes of a hypothetical conflict using elegant literature methods cause a reasonable mistrust of everything presented in the article, including more or less verified facts.

          On the other hand, a generalized (non-fiction) approach to the issues not covered in the article (see above) will help to find rational answers. IMHO
        2. +3
          13 July 2016 09: 48
          Quote: Operator
          After reading the three parts of the article, it seems that the author knows nothing and / or can say nothing on these issues.

          And you, Andrei Vasiliev, what can you say about this? I looked at all your comments in this cycle. Sheer obsession and inability to adequately perceive the arguments of other members of the forum. fool Throwing mud at others and then cowardly hiding behind a blacklist filter, is that all you can do? negative
  31. 0
    13 July 2016 05: 16
    Altai Sayans and Baikal have probably become a good place to live?)
    1. 0
      13 July 2016 20: 35
      This is vryatli.
  32. +3
    13 July 2016 07: 21
    Quote: Operator
    So I’m saying that the number of bombers participating in the second wave of attack on the United States is not important:
    - A hundred-odd cities along with the population have already been destroyed by rocket attacks (and those who survived left the cities);
    - the bases of the ground forces, aviation and navy, the depots of nuclear ammunition are empty ("everyone went to the front");
    - Uranium enrichment plants and weapons-grade plutonium production reactors are also disabled by missile strikes.

    You have strange views on principle and not principle. You think from the source data, completely disregarding that even among these carriers there may be losses. Next, look at the affected areas with the same megaton ammunition and compare them with the size of American cities. Not to mention the possibility of evacuating these cities, albeit not 100%. And this is what you have: once a megaton head has flashed around the city, then your city is automatically considered to be destroyed with the entire population, despite the mistakes.
    How many of their 24 boats will be destroyed in the bases, at the crossings, how many of them will be able to shoot at all - all this does not count. Here are hundreds of cities destroyed and that's it.

    And after that you say that the number of bombers is not important? We will not even focus on how many of them will break through, but you should still know that for 1962 the structure of the Soviet nuclear arsenal was as follows:

    The total number of strategic nuclear charges is 522. Of these, on SLBMs - 72 charges or 13,8%. On the ICBM - 38 charges or 7,2% and finally airborne nuclear charges were Or 412 79% (SEVENTY NINE).
    In one launch / sortie, strategic forces (theoretically) could deliver 500 charges. From them SLBMs are all the same 72 charges or 29,3%, ICBMs - Or 36 17,6% and aviation 392 charges or 56,1%
    And after that you say that the aviation component is not fundamental?
  33. -1
    13 July 2016 09: 25
    In a preventive nuclear strike, the main thing is transience so that the target (population) does not get out of the strike.

    Even according to your calculation, 36 + 72 = 108 megaton-class nuclear missile strikes in cities were unacceptable damage to the United States (population of 180 million people). Moreover, in the United States in 1962, there simply were no longer similar targets for nuclear strikes with a navigational warhead of 2 km.

    Well, there will be failures at the start and in flight of 10 percent of the missiles (which is clearly overstated), well, there will be 5 percent of the missiles shot down by the Nike-Hercules. But this is fully compensated by the RSD in Cuba, which were not opened by American air intelligence.

    In the USA, 80 percent of the urban population, moreover, is settled in urban agglomerations, which can be counted on the fingers (see diagram). This is an ideal target for a preventive nuclear missile strike. Moreover, the blow must be done during working hours from 13 to 18 hours in Washington, when the majority of the population is concentrated in the business centers of cities with a high density of multi-storey buildings (a feature of the USA). During the flight of the missiles (maximum 40 minutes for ICBMs) no one will be able to evacuate anywhere.

    After a preventive nuclear missile strike during 10 hours of flight of strategic bombers to targets in North America, all American planes, ships and military units will explicitly leave their permanent bases. And they will not just leave, but I can’t load up with nuclear weapons at the most.

    Therefore, dropping air bombs after half a day to the places of permanent deployment of troops is pointless. Consequently, airborne nuclear strikes will also fall on stationary targets with predetermined coordinates - enterprises of the military-industrial complex of the nuclear cycle, sea and air ports (in order to eliminate the transfer of ground troops to Western Europe), large power plants, river dams, etc.

    The whole set of goals after the death of 100-150 million of 180 million is not fundamental.
  34. +4
    13 July 2016 09: 52
    Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
    I do not quite understand the meaning of such articles.
    I absolutely do not think that the Caribbean crisis could have any alternatives in its development, and the Soviet leadership understood this perfectly well, first "in maximum secrecy" by importing missiles into Cuba, and when it became known to the US leadership, prudently taking them out from there , despite the fact that the United States left its own in Turkey and then replaced them with more modern ones.

    And you can find out when he replaced the "remaining in Turkey" missiles and what. It would just be terribly interesting. You opened my eyes at least to this fact
  35. +1
    13 July 2016 21: 15
    Well Seryoga clocked up!
  36. +2
    14 July 2016 20: 42
    Quote: Vadim237
    In the region, you would have survived by any means.

    This is not an area. The most southern region of Volgograd. Industrial cluster, and the first three gateways of the Volga-Don. The shipyard is not very close, but there is one too. So, on the Pentagon map the area was.
    In fact, the "Caribbean Crisis" has already been described in science fiction. I recall Kontrovsky and Gribanov offhand. Of course, not so gloomy for the USSR.
  37. +2
    24 July 2016 13: 04
    We have a Soviet army with officers who had gone through the Second World War and a German, psychologically unstable American and operetta French, Danish and Norwegian demoralized defeat! In addition to the use of tactical nuclear, the NATO forces had no chance to stop the tank armada of the USSR! Seven days to the Pyrenees !!! After the first nuclear attacks on European cities and England, these states would cease to exist! You need to know the mentality of Europeans! There would be no resistance! Only mass surrender! The USA as a state is also unstable, anarchy will immediately begin there! This is a capitalist state. Unlike the USSR, where the people survived the most cruel invasion of Europe and survived, and where the stamina and endurance of the Soviet people (this generation of my grandfathers and grandmothers) was prohibitive! These are Stalin's iron people. People are not computer models. The war is won by the economic model and the moral strength of the population. There would be no resistance in Europe! All the brave Europeans rotted in the vastness of Russia back in World War II. And the American army ceases to exist at 10% loss and without nuclear weapons! With that condition, you can read Tom Clancy!
  38. 0
    22 July 2017 10: 11
    Why didn't the author of the article say anything about giant floating batteries?
    I think this is a serious omission.
    https://www.popmech.ru/made-in-russia/13957-batar
    eyki-dlya-karibskogo-krizisa /
  39. -1
    1 November 2020 14: 36
    Alternative history of the Cuban missile crisis and the Allied Forces "Anadyr"
    https://yadi.sk/i/7QVD0N5YT_sQlQ
    Private Caribbean Front Anatoly Dmitriev, 01.11.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX
    Remember the Heroes of the Caribbean Front!