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Italian Navy replenished with another submarine U-212

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The shipbuilding company "Fincentieri" (city of La Spezia) in a solemn ceremony handed over to the Italian the fleet another diesel-electric submarine of the U-212 project (“Todaro” type), reports Flot.com.

Italian Navy replenished with another submarine U-212


The submarine is named “Pietro Venuti” - in honor of the sailor who died 24 June 1940 g in the Red Sea on the submarine “Luigi Galvani” and was posthumously awarded the gold medal for valor.

"Diesel submarines" Pietro Venuti "- the third in a series of four submarines project U-212 for the Italian Navy. The lead ship of the series was the Salvatore Todaro, which was commissioned in March 29 2006. The second “Shire” submarine entered the 19 February 2007 fleet of the year, ”the message reads.

According to the portal, “the boat was built according to a modernized project and received a new weapon system for using advanced Black Shark class torpedoes”. Increased ship autonomy. In addition, its body is completely made of non-magnetic alloy.

It is noted that “the construction of Pietro Venuti began in December 2009 of the year, in the autumn of 2013 of the year the final stage of the hull assembly began, and in October of the year 2014 the launch was launched”.

Help resource: “The surface displacement of the new submarine is 1509 tons. Length - 55,9 m, width - 7 m. Travel speed under water - more than 16 nodes. Crew - 27 man. The power plant is a diesel-electric air-independent fuel cell. Armament - 6 torpedo tubes 533 mm. "
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  1. dsm100
    dsm100 8 July 2016 13: 27
    +2
    The "macaroni" have an air-independent installation !!! We desperately need the same. It's just that diesels are already the last century.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 8 July 2016 13: 32
      +4
      Quote: dsm100
      The "macaroni" have an air-independent installation !!! We desperately need the same. It's just that diesels are already the last century.

      You see, you didn’t like the stirling engine, we decided to create some kind of unique non-volatile installation, and from that, we broke all conceivable and inconceivable terms.
      What made it difficult to copy the stirling engine and build Lada in a large series, and leave the introduction of its unique engine for Kalina submarines?
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 8 July 2016 13: 49
        +5
        The Italian and German women also do not have stirling if that. There's a Siemens fuel cell reactor.

        And it is easy to copy Stirling in words, there is nothing difficult, for example, the "advanced" Kockums V4-275R engine - developed in the 80s, and in general there for a whole hundred years, changes and discoveries are at least a minimum. Can't be compared with a conventional ICE even in 25 years.

        However, the question of production arises there. It is very demanding on accuracy, tolerances and any errors. Which requires the creation of a special production for him.
        1. Now we are free
          Now we are free 8 July 2016 13: 59
          +4
          Well that's it ... Now an informative article about the new Italian submarine will turn into an old SR ... H -UASNETVNEU !! 111 DAYSHVNEU !! 1 VNEUVNEUVNEU! 1!
          guys it’s enough to reduce any article about the submarine fleet to this for a long time for ... all the topic? ..
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 8 July 2016 14: 24
            +6
            Is it possible on an abstract topic?
            And why do they (many of them, including Ukraine) number their ships, in the letter U? I just ask for general development.
            p / s And then yesterday at the expense of the tanks "Abrams" and "Merkava" in the article "Tankmen of the Southern Military District have worked out movement under water" asked if they could cross rivers on their own (These are the "best tanks" in the world) laughing so certain"Cat Man Null"-Novel
            And the finger almost punched a weight to himself laughingIn general, I am waiting for an adequate answer to the question. Why do they nominate their ships with the letter U? Immediately I say that the submarine is German U-boot.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 8 July 2016 15: 21
              +3
              Well, for starters, Italians have a standard classification:
              SXXX is short and SMG is long.

              There are no u. The article is understandable, they wrote with the left heel and copied Past Type-212 - calling it U-212 and then it went.

              Depending on the classification, U - may mean Unit and number.
        2. Pilot
          Pilot 8 July 2016 14: 48
          +3
          Quote: donavi49
          It is very demanding on accuracy, tolerances and any errors.

          I immediately remembered the tool shop, a military factory, 80 years. A team of locksmiths - toolmakers, 6th category, with needle files and scrapers, interspersed with pastes and emery papers, bring the product to 10 accuracy class. Nearby is an imported EDM machine, issuing a 12 accuracy class, per unit of time. Stood due to lack of skills, work on it. Maybe I'm confused in the names. So many years have passed. But nonetheless.
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 8 July 2016 21: 17
            +2
            Quote: Pilot
            Nearby is an imported EDM machine

            Firstly ... not everywhere this machine can be used, and secondly - not always.
            By scrapping, for example, you can very, very accurately (up to 0,001) adjust the static mating parts.
            1. Pilot
              Pilot 10 July 2016 17: 18
              0
              By scrapping, for example, you can very, very accurately
              Unfortunately, you probably have not been heard. :) Although I agree with you. Manual adjustment is probably able to bring to the desired size. Although fraught with a minus exit. And then the imposition of chromium on the failed areas, etc.
        3. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 9 July 2016 02: 18
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          And it is easy to copy Stirling in words, there is nothing difficult, for example, the "advanced" Kockums V4-275R engine - developed in the 80s, and in general there for a whole hundred years, changes and discoveries are at least a minimum. Can't be compared with a conventional ICE even in 25 years.

          I do not agree.
          Stoklings of Kokums are the most complicated secret engines, the device of which is understandable to a very limited number of people.
          After honoring the first modification aboard the French research boat Saga-1 and the converted Swedish combat boat Nyakken in 1988, all work was classified.
          Publications about these engines have completely disappeared, even in scientific journals.

          Now, more precisely for the Swedish Hogland, engines of the third modification have been developed ...

          The license for the production of such engines was transferred only to the Japanese company Kawasaki.

          With a high degree of probability, today it is the best option of VNEU.
          At least not relatively expensive.
      2. polkovnik manuch
        polkovnik manuch 8 July 2016 14: 37
        0
        Dear Colleague! But what about the "cut" of the budget, for 3-5 and maybe for 5-7 years?
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 8 July 2016 13: 41
      +5
      Quote: dsm100
      The "macaroni" have an air-independent installation !!! We desperately need the same. It's just that diesels are already the last century.

      ".... Equipping the boat with an anaerobic installation made it possible to increase the time spent in the submerged position up to 20 days. And now German submarines with VNEU of various modifications are in service with Germany, Italy, Portugal, Turkey, Israel, Korea and several other countries.

      The Swedish concern Kockums Submarin Systems, in turn, at the end of the last century began the construction of Gotland-class submarines with VNEU based on Stirling engines. When used, these boats can also be under water without recharging the batteries for up to 20 days. And now the submarines with Stirling engines are not only in the Scandinavian countries, but also in Australia, Japan, Singapore and Thailand.

      The French followed the path of creating the VNEU "Skorpen", which runs on ethanol and liquid oxygen, which they began to equip boats of the Agosta type with. Now boats with similar VNEU are not only in France, but, for example, in Chile. In addition, on the basis of closed-cycle diesel technology, Italian designers have created VNEU for ultra-small and small submarines. "....
      http://army-news.ru/2014/10/podvodnyj-flot-rossii-v-pogone-za-skrytnostyu/ Статья датирована октябрем 2014г.
      In Russia today there are no submarines equipped with VNEU. The backlog is serious! It is hoped that he will catch up.
      1. 73bor
        73bor 8 July 2016 14: 16
        0
        Already it seems there was a month ago infa was!
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 8 July 2016 13: 53
      0
      To the question - who and how much time is building the submarine! And then they took the crap fashion at our shipyards.
    4. carp
      carp 9 July 2016 09: 23
      0
      We also already received 2 boats of the improved project 212. We are waiting for the third
  2. Marlen
    Marlen 8 July 2016 13: 28
    0
    Catch up, be sure to catch up.
    1. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 8 July 2016 13: 41
      +7
      Quote: Marlen
      Catch up, be sure to catch up.


      Long catch up.
      If suddenly something, then our submariners will be responsible for the slowness of engineers with their lives, and this is not at all gut.
      I don’t see anything embarrassing to slam at the adversary’s technology and translate it into our submarines. The Chinese are yanking and don’t blow into the mustache - everything is for the country, its power and victory. And it is right.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 8 July 2016 13: 55
        +6
        By the way, the Chinese have already riveted 14 Type-39A boats with VNEU.
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 8 July 2016 14: 00
      0
      Quote: Marlen
      Catch up, be sure to catch up.

      Our first submarine from the VNEU of the Kalina project will be laid at the shipyard only in 2018, and it is not yet known when they let it down and hand it over to the fleet.
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 8 July 2016 21: 42
        +1
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        Our first submarine from the VNEU of the Kalina project will be laid at the shipyard only in 2018, and it is not yet known when they let it down and hand it over to the fleet.

        What do we catch up with? For the Black, Baltic and Okhotsk Higher Economic Schools, it is not very strong and is required. And our Halibut and Varshavyanka are designed to work near the bases. For oceans and far zones, we have apl.
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  4. dsm100
    dsm100 8 July 2016 13: 52
    +1
    It's a shame however. Okay, the Germans are building submarines with an air-independent installation, they have traditionally not been weaklings in the submarine fleet since the time of the Second World War. Where have we been all this time ?! stop snot chewing! it’s time to catch up.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 8 July 2016 13: 58
      0
      VNEU is still being built by the Swedes (actually the first production boat originally built with VNEU in their world), Japanese, Chinese and French.

      The rest (and armed with boats from VNEU in a number of countries) buy or build under their license the projects indicated above (mainly German 212/14).
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 8 July 2016 14: 03
      0
      Quote: dsm100
      Where have we been all this time ?! stop snot chewing! it’s time to catch up.

      We can’t even hand over Lada’s fleet, the first submarine St. Petersburg is still in trial operation, the next 2 submarines of the project will be built for another 3 years. This is the end of the series.
      We can build Varshavyanka.
      1. gispanec
        gispanec 8 July 2016 14: 28
        0
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        We can build Varshavyanka.

        diesels no longer roll ... the sense is that we can quickly build them ... forgot how to work with our head !! where is the domestic VNEU ?? ... just started trial operation ....
    3. polkovnik manuch
      polkovnik manuch 8 July 2016 14: 52
      -1
      Where we were ? Yes, we used the developments of the fascists in the field of the submarine fleet and not only used until the beginning of the 70s! Read Klz Blair "Hitler's Submarine War", 2 volumes, "Three Centuries of the Russian Navy" - VA Zolotorev and IA Kozlov, "Fleet Commander" - RV Kuznetsov, "Commander in Chief" - MS Monakova. and analyze.
  5. Mister22408
    Mister22408 8 July 2016 13: 57
    0
    A good boat, and new torpedoes they have is a thing.
  6. Peter Romane
    Peter Romane 8 July 2016 14: 22
    +1
    An interesting comparative analysis can be found at http://hermitlair.ucoz.com/publ/18-1-0-119
    Where boats are compared: German - project u-212 and Russian - project 677 "Lada"
    What pleased us was the rather unbiased view of the author on both projects.
  7. pavelty
    pavelty 8 July 2016 14: 58
    0
    I hope the Italian Navy does not threaten us? Or will we fight with Italy soon in an open battle?
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 8 July 2016 15: 30
      0
      The Italian Navy has never threatened anyone.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 8 July 2016 15: 32
      0
      So, now everyone is trying to upgrade, soon such boats (214TN) will be in Turkey.
  8. berezin1987
    berezin1987 8 July 2016 15: 04
    0
    It is necessary to build submarines with a Stirling engine of the Japanese Soryu type or develop a project for a small nuclear submarine with a displacement of up to 5 tons. We have already built submarines of the Lyra project with a compact metal-cooled reactor.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 8 July 2016 15: 37
      0
      Stirling is easy to create on paper, but it is very difficult to produce (extremely high requirements for the accuracy of products, high rejection - if you adjust the file by eye, then nothing will work, again, any minor marriage will lead to rejection of the entire product, etc.) . Only Sweden and Kawasaki, for example, produce ships.

      Perhaps the fuel cell reactor, like Siemens, although hi-tech, but in reality we reproduce much easier.
  9. made13
    made13 8 July 2016 15: 43
    0
    VNEU or batteries - what is the difference in principle. Think about it - the crew of 27 people! The Germans launch new boats under the crew of 21 people! Varshavyanka 52 people! In two, no. twice smaller!

    When the Navy receives a diesel boat with a crew of 20-25 people, then it will be a triumph of domestic shipbuilding.
    1. Aviagr
      Aviagr 8 July 2016 17: 11
      0
      That's it - you need to go to the PL = robotic arsenals of missiles, such as Caliber and Onyx. And in order to ensure the stealth of the temporarily protruding (before the hostilities) RDEPL (robotic DEPL) snorkel, it is necessary to make this snorkel in the form of a skeleton of a robotic sailing catamaran and mix it (them) with several hundred similar RPACs in the Caspian or Black Sea.
      And the multifunctional RPKBs themselves with increased autonomy (2 of the month) can be equipped with all kinds of weapons, GA buoys with sensors at different levels from the sound jump layer; depth charges (Barrier-2), rocket torpedoes, pneumatic anti-sabotage guns, etc. It is important that they need thousands, they must be unified in design and look the same in any configuration, so that enemy intelligence does not know where what weapons and equipment are.
      Additionally, this flock of several hundred RPBKs (more precisely, already a GA anti-submarine network in the form of distributed GA sensors with the collection and processing of information from them in a single computer center) can be protected by RTOs, corvettes or Raptor, as well as hundreds of combat gliders of new unique designs, which still no one.
      And we need submarines mainly strategic ...
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 8 July 2016 22: 32
      0
      Quote: made13
      You think

      And first you compare the size of the boats .. then think about it
      1. Aviagr
        Aviagr 9 July 2016 09: 37
        0
        Boats should not be compared in size, but tasks performed. And the 20-meter RPPEL with 16 Gauges will be more powerful than Varshavyanka with the 8-y. Like David and Goliath ...
        And the Stirlings can only help with a passive GA search for submarines, and with an active one - no advantages over the usual ones. But does anyone have information on how tanks with "liquid" oxygen behave during near explosions of depth charges and mini torpedoes? I think "haberdasher and cardinal not will save France "... tongue
        But what really needs to be done is the creation of a wide distributed network of gliders and RPBKs for communication, navigation, transmission of target designation for conventional submarines and RDEPL weapons arsenals. It is necessary to make it clear to the "partners" that in any situation they will receive a response from under the water.
  10. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 8 July 2016 16: 10
    0
    Yes, Stirling should be stolen from the Swedes or asked the Chinese - they dig everything and everything and do not frown! Of course, you can recall the Golubev engine, but it is very complicated both in engineering (technological) and in practical (operational) terms? And in the Navy, the main principle is SIMPLICITY and practicality IN GENIUS! More precisely, on the contrary. Will we look at the Russian VNEU?