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The Ministry of Defense will make changes to the standards of combat training of tankers

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By next year, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation will introduce "new requirements for instruction in combat training of types and types of troops, as well as types of weapons and military equipment," News with reference to the head of the military training department of the military department Ivan Buvaltsev.

The Ministry of Defense will make changes to the standards of combat training of tankers


According to Buvaltsev, "this decision is based on the experience gained during the Army International Games."

“We are introducing the 2 (TOUZ-2) Tactical Firing Shooting Exercise for tank platoon, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. Standards are taken based on the results of last year's International Army Games. They have become one of the main opportunities to compare, in real conditions, the characteristics of different military equipment, methods of its operation, the performance of the assigned combat missions and draw the appropriate conclusions ",
he said.

“The new requirements for combat training of servicemen of the Russian army have already planned a significant reduction in the time to perform combat shooting, as well as increased standards for the supply of crews. This means that the destruction of various targets: armored vehicles, calculations of hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers, helicopters will spend less time and more ammunition, ”said Buvaltsev.

The general noted that "the new requirements are" copied "from the conditions of the competition"Tank biathlon "with an increase in the number of destroyed targets."

“For example, according to the rules, a tank crew must not only be able to efficiently and quickly control a multi-ton vehicle, but also perform a series of fire exercises: hit three calculations of anti-tank grenade launchers from a turret machine gun, three targets imitating enemy armored vehicles at different distances - from a cannon," a helicopter "the enemy is from an anti-aircraft machine gun, as well as a small-sized target of 1,5 size on 1,5 m, imitating a passenger car," he explained.

Comment of the former head of the automotive armored directorate of the Ministry of Defense, expert Sergey Mayev: “Competitive moment can improve the effectiveness of combat use of technology to 80 – 90%. Soldiers go for broke to win. This moment deserves analysis for making changes in combat training plans, creating new methods for training tank crews, and refining shooting courses. Only in the course of direct comparison can one understand the strengths and weaknesses, draw conclusions and make adjustments to one's own combat training plans. ”
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News / Gleb Shchelkunov
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  1. Coconut
    Coconut 8 July 2016 12: 53
    +1
    According to Ivan Buvaltsev, the new requirements for the combat training of the Russian army have already planned a significant reduction in time for combat firing, as well as increased standards for the supply of crews. This means that it will take less time and more ammunition to defeat various targets: armored vehicles, calculations of hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers, helicopters.
    1. svp67
      svp67 8 July 2016 19: 48
      0
      Quote: Coco
      This means that it will take less time and more ammunition to defeat various targets: armored vehicles, calculations of hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers, helicopters.

      This suggests that in order to defeat a LARGE number of targets, more ammunition is required ... Previously, under the terms of the exercise, there were THREE targets, now there will be FIVE.
  2. avvg
    avvg 8 July 2016 13: 07
    +1
    In local wars, tank troops proved to be much better.
  3. i80186
    i80186 8 July 2016 13: 13
    -2
    That would have introduced another exercise helicopter destruction ATGM. From NSVT is not interesting. smile
    1. sibiryk
      sibiryk 8 July 2016 13: 58
      0
      ATGM expensive but succeed
      1. i80186
        i80186 8 July 2016 14: 15
        -1
        Quote: sibiryk
        ATGM expensive but succeed

        Not really. The main cost is tank barrel wear. Most expensive sub-caliber. Again, it means it is, it is designed for shooting at helicopters, including, but they don’t need to learn how to shoot? Ingenious.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 8 July 2016 14: 36
          +3
          Quote: i80186
          Quote: sibiryk
          ATGM expensive but succeed
          Not really. The main cost - tank barrel wear

          - already good. A specialist with a capital "c" is visible

          Quote: i80186
          Most expensive subcaliber

          - not understood. "Lomik", is it more expensive than an ATGM?
          - or from firing BOPS "tank barrel wear" more?

          Explain your idea, if possible ... or rather stop talking nonsense yes

          Quote: i80186
          Again, it means it is, it is intended for shooting at helicopters, including, but they don’t need to learn how to shoot? Ingenious

          - on the simulator ATGM - at least fire
          - really ATGM to shoot exercises - it really is very expensive

          Somehow request
          1. goose
            goose 8 July 2016 16: 49
            +3
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            not understood. "Lomik", is it more expensive than an ATGM?

            modern "crowbar" - yes, almost 2 times more expensive ATGM.
            "Mango" is a little cheaper. Although the same depends on the type of ATGM. Chrysanthemums are quite expensive. Cornet is cheap.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 8 July 2016 17: 17
              +1
              Quote: goose
              modern "crowbar" - yes, almost 2 times more expensive ATGM.
              "Mango" is a little cheaper. Although the same depends on the type of ATGM. Chrysanthemums are quite expensive. Cornet is cheap.

              - can you doubt it?

              Quote: http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/48399/?pid=535344
              March 27, India entered into a procurement contract 66 thousand Russian 125-mm armor-piercing submunition shells ZUBK20 "Mango", reports altair.com.pl. The cost of the contract is 26 billion rupees (approx. 420 million dollars)

              Quote: http://pro-tank.ru/blog/916-india-to-buy-missiles-invar-for-t90
              ... ten thousand Invar missiles for T-90 tanks of India. India plans to spend on the purchase of Invar anti-tank missiles 20 billion rupees

              - total, in parrots rupees:
              - Mango, 1 piece ~ 380000
              - Invar, 1 piece - 2000000

              That is, 1 rocket costs more than 5 BOPS.

              Where am I mistaken?
              1. svp67
                svp67 8 July 2016 20: 02
                0
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                That is, 1 rocket costs more than 5 BOPS.

                Where am I mistaken?

                Yes, no where, because in the tank tank of the BPS there are MORE than the TUSs
              2. i80186
                i80186 9 July 2016 08: 20
                0
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Where am I mistaken?

                In the barrel resource when firing BOPS. This is about 1000 shots, and then the tank went to the factory for repairs to replace the gun. I’m telling you as a tanker. By the way, it’s never once in my entire service, but I managed to fight, without firing ATGM.
            2. svp67
              svp67 8 July 2016 20: 01
              +2
              Quote: goose
              "Mango" is a little cheaper. Although the same depends on the type of ATGM. Chrysanthemums are quite expensive. Cornet is cheap.

              Horses, people mixed together ... And here the BPS "Mango", and the ATGMs "Chrysanthemum" and "Kornet", the latter do not shoot from the tank. Our modern tanks and PTSAU fire a 9M119 rocket, like this PTSAU "Sprut"
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 8 July 2016 15: 37
          +1
          Quote: i80186
          Not really. The main cost is tank barrel wear.

          To paraphrase a famous joke, the cost of TUR in the estimate is not conventionally shown. laughing
          This is what a "crowbar" should be made of, so that a shot would be more expensive than a TUR shot?
          1. goose
            goose 8 July 2016 16: 52
            0
            Quote: Alexey RA
            This is what a "crowbar" should be made of, so that a shot would be more expensive than a TUR shot?

            From tungsten carbide, uranium alloys. And another quarter of the periodic table.
            This metallurgy is very unique, capricious and extremely difficult to process, and therefore expensive. And to everything else small-scale that affects the price.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 8 July 2016 17: 30
              +1
              Quote: goose
              Tungsten carbide ...

              - Is a winder drill also a "complex and unique" technology?
              - They told me about powder metallurgy at the institute in the first half of the 80s. What is the complexity and uniqueness?

              About uranium and "a quarter of the periodic table" - not in the know, but tungsten carbide ... IMHO quite a routine technology request
              1. i80186
                i80186 9 July 2016 08: 29
                0
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                About uranium and "a quarter of the periodic table" - not in the know, but tungsten carbide ... IMHO quite a routine technology

                Is chrome plating also a routine, simple and cheap technology? Did you see the tank?
            2. svp67
              svp67 8 July 2016 20: 07
              0
              Quote: goose
              From tungsten carbide, uranium alloys. And another quarter of the periodic table.
              This metallurgy is very unique, capricious and extremely difficult to process, and therefore expensive. And to everything else small-scale that affects the price.

              Yes, right, but answer how many precious metals and colormettes in TUS? And they are also unique, in addition, the control equipment is not very cheap either.
          2. i80186
            i80186 9 July 2016 08: 22
            +1
            Quote: Alexey RA
            This is what a "crowbar" should be made of, so that a shot would be more expensive than a TUR shot?

            Have you heard about barrel wear? How much does a trunk cost you know? How much does it replace and how and where do you make it in the know? And here what scrap is made of, here it is the charge that this scrap and TUR pushes out of the barrel, as it were.
        3. svp67
          svp67 8 July 2016 19: 52
          0
          Quote: i80186
          Not really. The main cost is tank barrel wear. Most expensive sub-caliber. Again, it means it is, it is designed for shooting at helicopters, including, but they don’t need to learn how to shoot? Ingenious.

          Yes ... in general, the price of a tank guided projectile and BPS varies greatly. Yes, and there are already quite excellent simulators that teach TUS shooting, a very effective training method, and most importantly many times cheaper.
          1. i80186
            i80186 9 July 2016 08: 25
            0
            Quote: svp67
            Yes, and there are already quite excellent simulators

            Have you ever been in a tank? They tried to shoot him, what the hell can the simulator replace it?
  4. Monos
    Monos 8 July 2016 13: 17
    +7
    Bravo! "Sport of high achievements" is already helping to increase the combat readiness of the native Army! Let the adversary tremble!
  5. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 8 July 2016 13: 23
    +2
    I think this is great news, probably the instructions have not changed since the days of the USSR, and already the 21st century outside the window. New demands are made on crews and equipment .... after all, a good thing is tank biathlon, there many moments are worked out, and then they are taken into account
  6. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 8 July 2016 13: 27
    +6
    guarded phrase: The military go all-in for the sake of victory.

    A real battle is not a tankodrome, and to win, first of all, all the same, you need to think with your head, and then all-in.
    1. Pushkar77
      Pushkar77 8 July 2016 14: 08
      +3
      I think that about the Syrian experience in using our armored vehicles, one should at least be taken into account, since a lot of military operations take place in cities. Moreover, there is plenty of material for this, Jobar, Allepoo, Al-Kabun.
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 8 July 2016 14: 48
        +1
        Quote: Pushkar77
        I think that about the Syrian experience in using our armored vehicles, one should at least be taken into account, since a lot of military operations take place in cities. Moreover, there is plenty of material for this, Jobar, Allepoo, Al-Kabun.

        It seems to me that there are many times more experience gained in the LPR and DPR than in the exercises - the standards and their implementation are already known to everyone.
    2. vitvit123
      vitvit123 8 July 2016 16: 50
      0
      and to win, first of all, all the same, you need to think with your head, and then all-in.

      Likely it happens in any case ... Sometimes the head says no, but you know what you need ...
    3. ver_
      ver_ 8 July 2016 18: 38
      0
      ... "what is there to think about, you have to jump" ..
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 9 July 2016 07: 33
        0
        Some already jumped without thinking ...
  7. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 8 July 2016 13: 36
    +4
    The news is certainly encouraging.
    The rule is obvious to everyone: the more soldiers spend time at the training ground and the more ammunition is released for this, the less losses in a real battle.
    It is very pleasing that our military leaders began to realize this, and enterprises - to provide everything necessary.
    1. In100gram
      In100gram 8 July 2016 18: 00
      0
      Quote: Corsair0304
      The rule is obvious to everyone: the more soldiers spend time at the training ground and the more ammunition is released for this, the less losses in a real battle.

      It is about this in the article. Ammunition is written off according to the norms.
      They will increase the write-off rates for training, and combat readiness will increase. It is impossible to learn how to shoot in 10 shots from AK. So in the tank.
  8. black
    black 8 July 2016 13: 44
    +8
    I remember preparing a show and sat in the taiga for two weeks. The week was used to ensure that gunners-operators worked on training towers. Loading, firing a machine gun on a mini target field. A week later, exchanged places with neighbors. They are to us, and we are to the director. The shooting went off with a bang. Without a hitch, at least check from the General Staff Call. The soldier must be taught his business to the point of complete extinction.
    1. goose
      goose 8 July 2016 16: 53
      0
      Quote: black
      They are to us, and we are to the director. The shooting went off with a bang. Without a hitch, at least check from the General Staff

      It is not right. Hazing will not survive in such conditions when the whole day at the training ground.
  9. gg.na
    gg.na 8 July 2016 13: 47
    +6
    - "It's hard in biathlon - even harder in battle!" belay belay belay - "A-a-a-a-aaa when what it will be easy then ???! " bully -"Easily..., wink was yesterday!" soldier
  10. RexMVDshny
    RexMVDshny 8 July 2016 18: 52
    -1
    Really happy that our fathers commanders are moving in front.