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NI: the flaws of F-35 will make it easy prey for Russian air defense

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Although the American F-35 is positioned as a fighter of the 5 generation, it has weak points that will turn it into an easy target for the Russian and Chinese RBOs, writes The National Interest. Article leads RIA News.

NI: the flaws of F-35 will make it easy prey for Russian air defense


“The allegations that the F-35 will be effective against the Russian air defense systems are questionable, since Russia has invested heavily in the development of a network of radar stations,” the author of the article believes.

Referring to the opinion of Mike Kofman, a researcher at the Center for Naval Analysis, the publication writes: “The question is not whose plane is more imperceptible, but how imperceptible our aircraft are for Russian radar stations operating in the UHF and VHF bands”.

At the same time, the expert points to a substantial, in his opinion, lack of aircraft: “The fighter has a single-engine engine that does not have any mechanisms for reducing the visibility of the exhaust.”

This means that "the thermal footprint of the F-35 makes it easy to detect a fighter and strike at it," he explains.
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AFP 2016 / US Navy
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  1. Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog 8 July 2016 10: 58
    +5
    Iron he iron in Africa)))
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 8 July 2016 11: 08
      +34
      NI: the flaws of F-35 will make it easy prey for Russian air defense

      I will tell the USA how to make the F-35 invisible to Russian air defense: do not fly into the coverage area of ​​our radars! Better yet, let them stay at their airfields.
      1. shadow
        shadow 8 July 2016 11: 47
        +4
        Not. They’ll see it anyway. But if you do not do them at all, then no one can even see them visually.
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 8 July 2016 13: 12
          +4
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          I will tell the USA how to make the F-35 invisible to Russian air defense: do not fly into the coverage area of ​​our radars!

          ... just about ... even an old pensioner P-18 will look at it perfectly ... for the RTR "Vega" and "Kolchuga" stations its invisibility in the radar range, generally like a "traffic light hare" ... wink
          Quote: Shadows
          Not. They’ll see it anyway. But if you do not do them at all, then no one can even see them visually.

          ... alas, they no longer have a way back ... now they will do and sell to "allies" ... such an advertising company for 5 years cannot just go into steam ... laughing
          PS ... an entertaining picture from the "Manual for Combat Use, Operation and Repair of the P-18 Radar Station" ... hi
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 July 2016 18: 13
        -2
        Yes, these airplanes will not have to fly into the air defense zone either, they are armed with AGM-158B JASSM-ER cruise missiles with a launch range of 980 kilometers.
        1. Winnie76
          Winnie76 8 July 2016 18: 47
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          Yes, these airplanes will not have to fly into the air defense zone either, they are armed with AGM-158B JASSM-ER cruise missiles with a launch range of 980 kilometers.

          And how many Penguin of such beauties can take inside, do not tell?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 8 July 2016 21: 49
            +2
            Such missiles F 35 can take two pieces.
        2. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 8 July 2016 19: 17
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          Yes, these airplanes will not have to fly into the air defense zone either, they are armed with AGM-158B JASSM-ER cruise missiles with a launch range of 980 kilometers.

          Well, for this we have Buki and Torah - they will meet them.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 8 July 2016 21: 55
            0
            So I mean, why risk an aircraft - when there is a "filling" with a long firing range, to defeat or wear out air defense systems - these missiles have already been fired, and we have only 6000 Torov for all of Russia with Buks the same story - the enemy the mass of cruise missiles will crush - not aircraft.
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 8 July 2016 23: 40
              +3
              Quote: Vadim237
              So I mean, why risk an airplane - when there is a "filling" with a long firing range, to defeat or wear out air defense systems - these missiles have already been released 6000,

              ... in what dream did you have a dream ?! ... infa from 2014:
              The U.S. Air Force signed a contract with the American company Lockheed Martin for the supply of 440 AGM-158 JASSM cruise missiles, Flightglobal reports. The deal amounted to 449 million dollars. The agreement was signed in mid-December 2013, but this became known only now. The purchase was made as part of a larger program to equip the US Air Force with new cruise missiles. Under the terms of the agreement, Lockheed Martin will have to transfer 340 JASSM missiles to the US Air Force. basic performance and another hundred missiles of this type with increased range (JASSM-ER). The contract also provides for the provision of maintenance services, the supply of tools and test equipment. Given the new batch of missiles, the total volume of the order for JASSM from the US Air Force increased to 2,1 thousand units.
              Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-gets-fresh-jassm-orders-from
              -usaf-394704 /
              ... from where 6000 pieces came from ?! ... Fiction and only, and even carefully divide:
              - 340 - AGM-158A standard version with a range of 350 km.
              - 100 - AGM-158V increased range (980 km.) ...
              ... but in total, it is 2,1 thousand units ... beautiful advertising, the main thing is not to hang your ears ... well, you’ll get tired of removing noodles from your ears, mattresses are strong in beautiful Hollywood ... laughing
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 9 July 2016 09: 49
                +2
                Since 2008, these missiles have been manufactured in 2012, more than 5000 of them have been fired, and given that the US Air Force orders 300 to 500 pieces, their number has already exceeded 6000, add Tomahawks and AGM-86 ALCM missiles to them - no one will drive airplanes into the air defense zone will not be - cruise missiles will do all things.
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 9 July 2016 13: 18
                  +2
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Since 2008, these missiles have been manufactured in 2012; more than 5000 of them were produced, and given that these missiles are ordered by the US Air Force from 300 to 500

                  ... for non-Russians I will repeat the excerpt from the source again:
                  Given the new batch of missiles, the total volume of the order for JASSM from the US Air Force increased to 2,1 thousand units.
                  Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-gets-fresh-jassm-orders-from


                  -usaf-394704 /
                  ... total volume of the order, for all time 2,1 thousand! ... of all modifications and the AGM-158A with a range of 350 km. and AGM-158B with a range of 980 km. ... laughing
        3. korvin1976
          korvin1976 8 July 2016 20: 00
          +5
          Are they there, but where will their FU-35 be shoved? Inside? I'm afraid they will not fit stupidly. To the external suspension? What's the point? Then the Fu-35 becomes invisible into a good view, and the invisibility of both the aircraft itself and the rocket will not help here.
          Yes and it is not advisable, the same F-16 and F / A-18 will cope with such a task much better.
          With the same success, we can say that the FU-35 will be equipped with combat lasers, which are now being tested at Boeing.
        4. Inok10
          Inok10 8 July 2016 21: 18
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          Yes, these airplanes will not have to fly into the air defense zone either, they are armed with AGM-158B JASSM-ER cruise missiles with a launch range of 980 kilometers.

          ... well, let's say there is one, and what follows from this? ... I’m always wondering why when they bring such options ... they are always very modestly silent the main thing ... in order for this AGM-158B to reach the target and be struck by the need for external target designation and constant awareness of the target designator about the location of the rocket ... we read:
          Further development of the AGM-158 missile involves a phased increase in its combat effectiveness through the use of more modern technologies and the use of new design solutions. The main goal in this case is to enable automated correction of the inertial control system based on continuous updating of target designation data from various external sources in real time, which is believed to make it possible to hit mobile ground and surface targets without the use of expensive homing systems, and also retarget a rocket in flight. These tasks will be accomplished through interaction through the integrated data network of the onboard missile guidance system, carrier aircraft and reconnaissance aircraft and strike control systems of the Jistars system.
          ... that is, the Kyrgyz Republic deprived of the seeker and it is controlled by external target designation:
          When launching a rocket over a long range, the problem of transmitting information about the current location of the rocket arises. This information is necessary, in particular, to determine whether a missile hits a target. The existing design includes a BIA (Bomb Impact Assessment) type transmitter (Bomb Impact Assessment) and an antenna device on the rocket body, which transmit data to the strategic reconnaissance aircraft RC-25V and W at speeds up to 135 bps in the frequency range 9600-391.7 MHz.
          ... generally ... that's all... simply and in Russian: ... I'm flying, I'm flying, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here ... come here my soft bread said RTR means and gave target designation to air defense means ... here's the end of the song ... hi
          1. iwind
            iwind 8 July 2016 21: 32
            +1
            Quote: Inok10
            Well, let's say there is one, and what follows from this? ... I’m always wondering why when they bring such options ... they are always very modestly silent about the main thing ... in order for this AGM-158B to reach the target and be struck by external target designation and constant awareness of the target designator about the location of the rocket. .. read:

            wassat Where is tin ??
            There is quite a classic bunch (ANN + GPS. IR GOS)
            "As part of the combined guidance system, along with the thermal imaging seeker (works on the final guidance section), an inertial control system with correction according to the NAVSTAR radar station data and software and hardware for autonomous target recognition are used."
            Guidance system:
            Global Positioning System (GPS) -aided inertial navigation system (INS), terminal infrared homing automatic target recognition "
            What you described is only necessary if you want to transfer missiles to another target after launch
            Quote: korvin1976
            Are they there, but where will their FU-35 be shoved? Inside? I'm afraid they will not fit stupidly. To the external suspension? What's the point? Then the Fu-35 becomes invisible into a good view, and the invisibility of both the aircraft itself and the rocket will not help here.
            Yes and it is not advisable, the same F-16 and F / A-18 will cope with such a task much better.
            With the same success, we can say that on the FU-35 will put the combat lasers that are now tested on Boeing

            Really? launched two rockets with wings at a distance of, say, 700 km, and then flew with an internal load to carry out the task in an inconspicuous configuration.
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 8 July 2016 22: 01
              +2
              Quote: iwind
              Where is tin ??

              ... study ... http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/agm158/agm158.shtml ... laughing
              Quote: iwind
              There is quite a classic bunch (ANN + GPS. IR GOS)
              "As part of the combined guidance system, along with the thermal imaging seeker (works on the final guidance section), an inertial control system with correction according to the NAVSTAR radar station data and software and hardware for autonomous target recognition are used."

              ... at launch up to 350 km. AGM-158A ... sorry move or fuel for range or GOS ... there are no miracles in the world, the dimensions are the same ... laughing
              The upgraded version of the rocket - AGM-158B is made with preservation of the overall dimensions (starting weight and warhead mass) of the prototype - AGM-158A. At the same time, the layout of the rocket is optimized, due to which the fuel supply is increased, and a more economical dual-circuit turbojet engine is installed instead of the previous single-circuit one. The level of unification of the main elements of the UR AGM-158A and UR AGM-158B is estimated to be more than 80%.

              Quote: iwind
              Really? launched two rockets with wings at a distance of, say, 700 km, and then flew with an internal load to carry out the task in an inconspicuous configuration.

              ... ah, the strength of the F-35 is enough to raise two ?! ... there’s not even one ... laughing
              1. iwind
                iwind 8 July 2016 22: 20
                +2
                Quote: Inok10
                at launch up to 350 km. AGM-158A ... sorry move or fuel for range or GOS ... there are no miracles in the world, the dimensions are the same ...

                And where does it say that they shot the GOS?
                They optimized the layout, electronics became smaller and the new engine.

                Quote: Inok10
                .. ah, the strength of the F-35 is enough to raise two ?! ... there’s not even one ...

                In light, he has a combat load of 8 tons. 2 rockets are 2 tons and another 2-3 tons inside. it’s not even a maximum.
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 8 July 2016 23: 55
                  +3
                  Quote: iwind
                  And where does it say that they shot the GOS?

                  ... ah, the fuel you pull next to the capsule ?! it seems to have a density, you know, and occupies a volume, or did you cut it off like a sturgeon ?! ... thereby doubling the range, well, on the Internet and you can not write that ... laughing
                  Quote: iwind
                  They optimized the layout, electronics became smaller and the new engine.
                  ... the mouse got to the size of the testicles ... just like that, the magic wand and the Carriage became a Pumpkin ... especially suddenly the engine became the size of a thimble, a double-circuit ... laughing
                  Quote: iwind
                  In light, he has a combat load of 8 tons. 2 rockets are 2 tons and another 2-3 tons inside. it’s not even a maximum.

                  ... well, even on advertising prospectuses we don’t agree with you ... you’ve got absolutely advertising ... mine will be more correct (attached) ... 2 tons on the inside and everything would be fine if it weren’t for one BUT ... declared weight, did not agree with the declared dimensions of the internal compartments ... a maximum of 4 SDB x 113 kg. = 452 kg. + 2 AIM 120 ... the rest just does not fit into the envelope ... wink
                  1. iwind
                    iwind 9 July 2016 00: 18
                    0
                    Quote: Inok10
                    ... ah, the fuel you pull next to the capsule ?! it seems to have a density, you know, and occupies a volume, or did you cut it off like a sturgeon ?! ... thereby doubling the range, well on the Internet and you can not write that ..

                    and? is there at least some evidence of the lack of seeker besides your fantasies? And then the manufacturer and the supervisor (GAO) do not know this. and just writes about the new GOS
                    "the JASSM-ER is intended to have a range of over 575 miles (925 km) as compared to the JASSM's range of about 230 miles (370 km). Other possible improvements were studied but ultimately not pursued, including a submunition dispenser warhead, new types of homing head, and a new engine giving ranges in excess of 620 miles (1,000 km). http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/653379.pdf
                    Quote: Inok10
                    Well, even on advertising prospectuses we don’t agree with you ... you’re absolutely advertising ... mine will be more correct (attached) ... 2 tons on the inside and everything would be fine if not for one BUT ... declared weight , did not agree with the declared dimensions of the internal compartments ... a maximum of 4 SDB x 113 kg. = 452 kg. + 2 AIM 120 ... the rest just does not fit into the envelope ...

                    Do not confuse the F-35B and the F-35A. They have different loads.
                    Doesn’t climb .... lol
                    1 ton (2000poind) GBU-31

                    or

                    AGM-145 length 4,06 m
                    1. Dormidont2
                      Dormidont2 9 July 2016 00: 41
                      +3
                      agm158 almost half as long as f35, it won’t fit anywhere)) yes, from krabukha will quickly fall
                      1. iwind
                        iwind 9 July 2016 00: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Dormidont2
                        agm158 almost half as long as f35, it won’t fit anywhere)) yes, from krabukha will quickly fall

                        And where did I say that it is for internal compartments? Why should the ANN be somehow suppressed by Krasukha?
                        The length of the Agm-158 -4,27 m; the length of the F-35 -15.67 m is not exactly half.
                        Quote: iwind
                        launched two rockets with wings
                      2. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 9 July 2016 09: 39
                        0
                        "agm158 is almost as long as half a f35, it won't fit anywhere)) but Krasuha will quickly fall from the slave" - ​​It will fit under the wing, and the fact that Krasuha will help from her has not yet been proven in practice, so the effectiveness of the electronic warfare systems is very conditional at the moment. And how many of these complexes are there in the whole of Russia 30 - 40?
                    2. Operator
                      Operator 9 July 2016 00: 43
                      0
                      Do not confuse the transverse dimensions of a cruise missile with the transverse dimensions of an air bomb.

                      Inok35’s F-10 diagram clearly shows the locations of the suspension of cruise missiles — the underwing pylons.
                    3. Inok10
                      Inok10 9 July 2016 01: 29
                      +2
                      Quote: iwind
                      and? is there at least some evidence of the lack of seeker besides your fantasies?

                      ... there you have already been answered above ... ANN and external target designation, in other words, or 350 km. with GOS (the one you indicated) or 980 km. without it, you see, Dear Friend, if a bucket of 20 liters, then this is fate and doesn’t climb 40 liters, in this case, that’s exactly ... laughing
                      Quote: iwind
                      Do not confuse the F-35B and the F-35A. They have different loads.

                      ... who confuses ?! ... unless you ... laughing ... different combat load in tons, and the size of the internal weapons compartment identical ... that’s what they have different is the area of ​​the wing, this is a fact, but in this case it does not matter ... wink
                      Quote: iwind
                      1 ton (2000poind) GBU-31

                      ... So what ?! ... specifically ?! ... the conversation was originally for not entering the air defense zone and what was the place of GBU-31 with its 16 km range ?! ... don't make people laugh ... laughing
                      1. iwind
                        iwind 9 July 2016 02: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Inok10
                        ... there you have already been answered above ... ANNs and external target designation, otherwise or 350 km. with GOS (the one you indicated) or 980 km. without it

                        Why is she not there? When again office. rocket report. ", new types of homing head," I will translate: a new type of homing head.
                        Is it impossible to spend fuel more efficiently?
                        Quote: Inok10
                        ... who confuses ?! ... unless you ... ... the combat load is different in tons, and the size of the internal weapons compartment is identical

                        The F-35A and the F-35B have different configurations of the internal compartment made of the lifting "fan" and other features of the aircraft vert. takeoff
                        therefore, the F-35B (stovl) has a maximum of 1000 pounds; the F-35A (ctol) has 2500 pounds in the internal compartment for one TSA.
                        Quote: Inok10
                        ... So what ?! ... specifically ?! ... the conversation was initially for not entering the air defense zone and what was the place of GBU-31 with its 16 km. range ?! ... don't make people laugh ...

                        It was about size.
                        But if you really want to, you can use JSOW-ER there with a range of everything ok.
                      2. Inok10
                        Inok10 9 July 2016 13: 11
                        +2
                        Quote: iwind
                        Why is she not there? When again office. rocket report. ", new types of homing head," I will translate: a new type of homing head.

                        ... about which I wrote above with reference to the source external real-time target designation from RC-135V / W, while a two-way channel, without its own seeker ... well, she would silently accept target designation, and so AGM-158B "yells at the whole Ivanovo" about its location, being easy prey electronic intelligence ... then at 980 km. or AMG-158A with a full-fledged GOS, thermal and correlation for 350 km. ... from this and two modifications AGM-158A and AGM-158B ... otherwise, there would simply be one modification ... do not powder the brain with the people ... hi
                        Quote: iwind
                        The F-35A and the F-35B have different configurations of the internal compartment made of the lifting "fan" and other features of the aircraft vert. takeoff

                        ... I won’t even comment on just a picture for visual understanding ... go and learn the materiel ... negative
                      3. iwind
                        iwind 9 July 2016 13: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Inok10
                        what the above and wrote with reference to the source, external target designation from RC-135V / W in real time, while a two-way channel, without its own seeker ... well, she would silently accept target designation, and so AGM-158B "yells at the whole Ivanovo" about his

                        Yeah .. I already gave of. This about GOS, two-way data transfer is now available from the Tomahawk and agm-145, and even aim 120d, this does not mean that they do not have their own GOS.
                        Quote: Inok10
                        I won’t even comment just a picture for visual understanding ... go and learn the materiel ...

                        :))) then why is the load inside the f-35b less than the f-35a? And what about the fact that their appearance is similar? The f-35b has a difference car. Also 4 sdb does not fit into it. Is this probably because they are the same? laughing
                        "The changes will require changes to the internal weapons bay before it can be integrated."
                        New Small Diameter Bomb Doesn't Fit Inside Marine's F-35B
                        http://www.defensetech.org/2015/03/04/new-small-diameter-bomb-doesnt-fit-insidem
                        arines-f-35b /? mobile = 1
                  2. iwind
                    iwind 9 July 2016 09: 57
                    0
                    Quote: Inok10
                    well, even on advertising prospectuses we don’t agree with you ... you’re absolutely advertising ... mine will be more correct (attached) ...

                    By the way, but I can’t understand everything how to leave your data from mine on the F-35 load. I thought the morning of the evening is wiser ... but no, they are the same in the morning.
                    The breakdown for the F-35b and for the F-35 is done a little differently, but the essence is the same.
    2. Leto
      Leto 8 July 2016 11: 45
      -6
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      Iron he iron in Africa)))

      A balabol on afrikaas chatterbox
    3. oblako
      oblako 8 July 2016 11: 52
      .
      The radar visibility of the exhaust is a masterpiece. The plane will be no worse, advanced technologies have been mastered. Combat application will show who spoiled where and how much. Why talk about it now? There are already more than 200 of them in the army, this is in addition to the Raptors ... and we have 6 ready for mass production. Not skill, so they can boast of a number, but what are we ++++?
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 8 July 2016 11: 55
        +4
        can boast of a supersonic cruising speed on t-50

        And f-35? catch up with afterburner?

      2. Berkut24
        Berkut24 8 July 2016 12: 09
        +4
        I don’t know what they have in the army, but not one is allowed for military use. Operational availability, in fact, is announced for the Senate, which requires a report on spent money. None of the 500 riveted f-35s are in combat use due to the catastrophic non-compliance with contractual requirements and safety standards. So for now, only test and training flights in a very limited radius from the base.
        1. Mikhail Krapivin
          Mikhail Krapivin 8 July 2016 12: 20
          -6
          But there are still 500 of them, F-35s alone. We have so many of our combined aircraft. And they also have F-18, and F-22, and much, much more. Therefore, before throwing factories, it is necessary to bring a normal base for this, riveting aircraft, helicopters, submarines. Well, if we live half-starving, so let even the weapons be modern and many.
          1. CT-55_11-9009
            CT-55_11-9009 8 July 2016 12: 51
            +7
            You already decide how many F-35 released: 200 or 500? Or maybe the contract has already been completed 3 times?

            And in addition to the T-50, we have the Su-27, Su-30, Su-33 (well, do not care what the decks are), Su-35, Su-34, Su-25, MiG-29, MiG-31, etc. d.
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 8 July 2016 16: 15
              +7
              Quote: CT-55_11-9009
              You already decide how many F-35 released: 200 or 500? Or maybe the contract has already been completed 3 times?

              Well no . Everything is going on slowly.
              On July 7, Lockheed Martin said it expected to reach an agreement with the U.S. Department of Defense on the supply of 160 F-35 fighter jets worth $ 15 billion in the near future.
              Lockheed’s F-35 Program Manager, Jeff Babione, told reporters that negotiations on the 9th and 10th shipments of aircraft are “very, very encouraging.” The price of one F-35A aircraft in the 10th installment will drop to less than $ 100 million.
              The company further stated that it continues to work to further reduce the price of one fighter to $ 85 million by 2019.
          2. Muvka
            Muvka 8 July 2016 14: 08
            +2
            There are only 170, which are 500?
          3. VP
            VP 8 July 2016 16: 14
            +2
            This is when they managed to rivet 500?
            They have less than 200. All are semi-finished products. The combat value of these parties is 0. Unlike the monetary value for their purchase and operation.
            1. iwind
              iwind 8 July 2016 17: 50
              +3
              Quote: VP
              They have less than 200. All are semi-finished products. The combat value of these parties is 0. Unlike the monetary value for their purchase and operation.

              A highly controversial statement. F-35B has already been adopted. F-35A passed the ICG, from August this year will be the actual declared combat ready.
              "Gen. Davis" F35 is ready to go to battle whenever needed "
              "After IOC, it will be available to support the needs of the combatant commanders"

              http://www.acc.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/5725/Article/808248/10-questions

              -on-the-f-35a-lightning-ii.aspx
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 8 July 2016 19: 11
          +2
          "So so far only test and training flights in a very limited radius from the base." ////

          If we consider flights across the Atlantic "training flights within a very limited radius of the base",
          then you are probably right. And so dozens of F-10,000s flew by 35 hours.
          And there were no security issues.
          And the afterburners on 1,6 MAX did, and aerobatics, without restrictions.
          1. Connie
            Connie 8 July 2016 20: 48
            +1
            After 10000 flights, it suddenly became clear that the ejection seat was no good ...
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 8 July 2016 23: 09
              0
              "that the ejection seat is useless" ////

              Not suitable for miniature pilots - yes. Pilot weighing less than 60 kg
              can hurt your neck. The chair will be redone.
              1. Connie
                Connie 8 July 2016 23: 22
                +1
                How deep and for how many millions (or hundreds of thousands) of dollars will each chair have to be redone? lol
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 8 July 2016 23: 37
                  0
                  "every chair will have to be redone" ////

                  What to do - redo. In the Far East - Koreans, Japanese -
                  short stature, light weight. They did not think about them.
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                  2. Connie
                    Connie 8 July 2016 23: 55
                    0
                    All the same, the price of the question interests ... and the timing.
                    1. Connie
                      Connie 9 July 2016 20: 12
                      0
                      Just if some competition is supposed, I can offer services for installing pancakes from the bar in these chairs. In order for the Pentagon and Lockheed to arrange the amount of the order and kickbacks from it, they can be gold.
        3. Pimply
          Pimply 10 July 2016 11: 39
          0
          Quote: Berkut24
          and one of the 500 riveted f-35 in combat use is not allowed due to catastrophic non-compliance with contract requirements and safety standards

          To begin with, it's not 500. On March 2016, the 171 unit. Which in itself is a lot.

          Secondly, on 31 on July 2015, the first US Marine Corps Squadron equipped with the F-35B announced operational readiness.

          Is there any way in more detail about non-compliance with contract requirements?
      3. Orionvit
        Orionvit 8 July 2016 13: 42
        +2
        You become read correctly.
        Exhaust radar visibility is a masterpiece.
        About these your conjectures in the article not a word. The exhaust is perfectly visible in the infrared range. In addition, when flying at high speeds as a result of air friction against the skin, it not only heats up (again, it is perfectly visible in the infrared spectrum), but also emits microwaves. In fact, even an active radar is not needed, the plane literally glows in the microwave range. Our people knew this back in the early 60s, and threw off this dummy mattress mattress who did not take these features into account and invested fucking billions in the stealth program. As a result, even the old air defense systems (C-125 in Yugoslavia) can very well see "unkillable American invisibles".
        “The question is not whose plane is more inconspicuous, but how much our planes are invisible to Russian radar stations operating in the UHF and VHF bands.”
        That's what they are afraid of. In general, both in space and aviation (F-35), we see that the US technological advantage in the world is slowly being blown away.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 8 July 2016 18: 36
          0
          "who did not take these features into account and invested fucking billions in the stealth program." /////

          Why, then, is Russia investing fucking billions of rubles in the T-50 program?
          1. Connie
            Connie 8 July 2016 21: 06
            -2
            There is a lot of oil, and even more gas.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 8 July 2016 23: 44
              +1
              "There is a lot of oil, and even more gas" ////

              Not so. Russians know that to detect the presence of stealth aircraft by some indirect
              featured - you can. But it’s impossible to shoot down.
              Air defense missile radars detect and conduct targets in the centimeter range. And EPR goals are the most important factor
              in the success of the interception. And 0,005 F-35 - beyond the interference of radar systems missiles.
              1. Connie
                Connie 8 July 2016 23: 57
                0
                Rather, the Americans do not know what can be not only detected but also brought down ...
              2. Parsec
                Parsec 9 July 2016 00: 13
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Air defense missile radars detect and conduct targets in the centimeter range. And EPR goals are the most important factor
                in the success of the interception. And 0,005 F-35 - beyond the interference of radar systems missiles.


                In, the synecdoha of the answer in its purest form.

                Don't use terms you don't know the meaning of. Express your attitude to the subject in a philistine way, it will work out better, otherwise you are trying here "for air defense and missiles" and are carrying such an illiterate nonsense, it is inconvenient for you.

                Just write "I believe the existing air defense systems are incapable of destroying the F-35."
                And your position is clear, and claims to knowledge, absolutely unfounded, are not highlighted.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 9 July 2016 01: 06
                  0
                  "and you are talking such an illiterate nonsense, it's inconvenient for you." ////

                  nothing, i will survive. You care so much for me
                  right - native person love
              3. Operator
                Operator 9 July 2016 00: 32
                0
                What are the "indirect" signs of the air defense system? laughing

                Air defense radars are meter, decimeter and centimeter range. After the adoption of anti-aircraft missiles with an active radar seeker, the range of radar operation does not affect the capture of the target. Air defense radars detect and conduct the target, take the missile to the target area, and the missile is captured by the missile itself at a distance of 10-20 km - which is quite sufficient to detect the Penguin.

                And yes - you are mistaken, the Penguin's EPR is equal to 0,00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000005 sq.m.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 9 July 2016 01: 25
                  +1
                  "Air defense detects and guides the target, withdraws the missile to the target area, and the target is captured by the missile itself at a distance of 10-20 km -" ////

                  Will not work. This is a difficult multi-step, when the S-400 stealth radar itself does not see, but the system receives
                  target designation from another radar that sees better, and the S-400 fires blindly, according to computer calculations
                  another system. And if you are very lucky, the rocket will be 10 km from the target, where further on its own radar will conduct it itself.
                  EPR 0.005 is not a theoretical value from a laboratory or computer calculation, but
                  the result of measurements of spans in different angles and at different distances of the present F-35 over real air defense radars.
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 9 July 2016 02: 04
                    0
                    Any air defense radar gives the coordinates of the target with an accuracy of 0,5 km in the worst case (survey radar meter range). Given that the target capture distance of the active radar seeker of an anti-aircraft missile seeker is not less than 10 km.

                    Give a source of information on measurements of EPR F-35.
    4. Monos
      Monos 8 July 2016 12: 48
      +14
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      Iron he iron in Africa)))



      His competitor was a Boeing iron. Generally comical pepelats called X-32.
      1. Berkut24
        Berkut24 8 July 2016 15: 08
        +1
        Oh, our planes have not yet learned to give birth!
    5. carp
      carp 8 July 2016 15: 08
      +2
      And then we bought a "flying iron and kettle". To judge the Air Force commander for betraying national interests !!! Immediately start negotiations with Russia on the purchase of SU-35 and T-50 !!!!
      1. uskrabut
        uskrabut 8 July 2016 15: 26
        +2
        Shalom! Yours can be judged, but we have Serdyukov guarded so that the warriors do not shoot
      2. VP
        VP 8 July 2016 16: 19
        +2
        And yours against the Arabs with their mirages, MIG-21 and F-4 and do not need anything sensible. And nobody will give you the 22nd anyway.
        Yes, and you signed up for 35 then when there were only mriy about what terrible twists the boys would do.
        1. carp
          carp 8 July 2016 18: 24
          +3
          Yes, about the F-22, you got it, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye ... one 22-inch squadron would be very appropriate. But it will be even better, now we will take the T-50, in comparison with it the F-22 wunderwafer and a flying iron))))
    6. Schulz3
      Schulz3 8 July 2016 17: 24
      -3
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      Iron he iron in Africa)))

      I understand that discussing the shortcomings of the F-35 is much more comfortable than their problems. For example, with the Indians. With the same MIG-29K / KUB and Vikramaditya. The Indians are very unhappy, but the Russian media is unlikely to translate this.
      There are still a number of problems with India's Russian-built Mikoyan MiG-29K / KUB aircraft, as well as with the aircraft carrier formerly known as Admiral Gorshkov that entered Indian Navy service in 2013, sources in India have told IHS Jane's.

      The complaints about the MiG-29K / KUB aircraft are generally due to the inability of the Russian firm RSK-MiG to deliver a complete aircraft that incorporates all of the features promised in the contractual documents signed by both parties.

      Indian experts who have visited the test base at Goa, where flight training with the aircraft is conducted, report that the MiG-29Ks are being delivered to India in a substandard configuration. The aircraft, said one specialist who visited the Goa base recently, "are literally being upgraded and brought up to spec while on the flightline".

      The chief culprit in this dilemma, say both Indian and Russian specialists, are the combined embargoes enacted by the Ukrainian government that bar the export of any military-use items to Russia, along with the EU and US sanctions that prohibit the export of Western military components to Moscow. The 'workaround' has been for India to import these items directly, then have them integrated onto the aircraft on-site at the Goa base.

      The MiG-29K for India differs from the MiG-29KR aircraft being built for the Russian Navy (VMF) in that the Indian-produced and foreign-made components are deleted in the configuration of the latter aircraft and replaced by Russian-made systems.

      The Russian-supplied carrier, which has been renamed INS Vikramaditya, is a re-built and modified Kiev-class cruiser that has been converted into a fully capable short take-off but arrested recovery (STOBAR) aircraft carrier by Russia's Sevmash shipyards.

      INS Vikramaditya has its own shortcomings in that it is still not fully equipped for carrier operations. "One of the items still lacking is a proper emergency landing barrier for other-than-normal landings aboard the ship," said one Indian specialist.
      1. Filxnumx
        Filxnumx 8 July 2016 20: 43
        +2
        When hands from .ops grow, and the technical culture is sometimes lower than the plinth and all this is superimposed on the caste structure, no matter how wonderful the technique would be ....
      2. Alex_Tug
        Alex_Tug 9 July 2016 01: 27
        0
        Russian media are unlikely to translate this.

        Shipka came out, transferred.
    7. atalef
      atalef 9 July 2016 10: 33
      +2
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      Iron he iron in Africa)))

      I have a question like a teapot laughing ,
      And how in the sense of stealth is the F-35 different from the T-50?
      And why the Russian air defense F-35 is ceaselessly seeing. and T-50 not?
      hi
  2. St Petrov
    St Petrov 8 July 2016 10: 58
    +30
    Now, former compatriots will say that this is all rubbish and that when Israel completes the software it will be a waffle to all the wunderwaffles waffle

    Well, do not admit to yourself that the overseas partners divorced Jews in shekels)

    PS Above and below, evidence will be given that this aircraft is the coolest and in 90% everyone knows what flag will be approved)

    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 8 July 2016 11: 06
      +15
      You should not think that Israel is so stupid, the F-35 supplied to Israel is purchased at the expense of American assistance.
      1. avdkrd
        avdkrd 8 July 2016 11: 43
        +5
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        You should not think that Israel is so stupid, the F-35 supplied to Israel is purchased at the expense of American assistance.

        in fact, the United States imposed the F-35 by including it in a package of military-technical assistance to Israel. Of course, Israeli politicians are forced to pretend that they need this particular plane.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 8 July 2016 23: 20
          +1
          "Israeli politicians are forced to pretend that they need this particular plane." ///

          Israel had an alternative under the same financial assistance.
          Three more American aircraft were to choose from: the latest versions
          F-16, F-15 and F-18. The Americans didn’t care what Israel chose - only
          if the plane was American.
          After careful checks, the F-35 was selected. The commission involved combat pilots,
          engineers of military firms, air defense officers. F-35 capabilities were demonstrated to the Israelis,
          including stealth when flying over air defense radars. Not theoretically, but practically.
      2. Bramb
        Bramb 8 July 2016 11: 49
        +3
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        You should not think that Israel is so stupid, the F-35 supplied to Israel is purchased at the expense of American assistance.

        You must be sent to the Pentagon! The argument is just super!
        We will not take into account, of course, with whom Israel plans to fight, and against whom the F-35.
        Or do you go hunting with a fishing rod?
        No, I must recommend you to the Pentagon! It is necessary !!!
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 8 July 2016 13: 51
          +1
          Well, Israel is understandable, it will fight against stupid Arabs, and there the PO-2 biplane will do (joke). But seriously, then Israel has no worthy opponents in its region, well, except Iran, here they are puffing. They generally drum on what the Arabs bomb.
          1. VP
            VP 8 July 2016 16: 24
            +1
            To Iran, the pepelats will be rather weak in radius.
          2. quote
            quote 8 July 2016 17: 00
            +3
            Orionvit (2) UA Today, 13:51 ↑

            Well, Israel is understandable, it will fight against stupid Arabs, and there the PO-2 biplane will do (joke). But seriously, then Israel has no worthy opponents in its region, well, except Iran, here they are puffing. They generally drum on what the Arabs bomb.
            Jacob Kedmi and O F-35. How about you?
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 10 July 2016 11: 43
              0
              Quote: devis
              Jacob Kedmi and O F-35. How about you?

              Cedmi generally bring as an expert something - do not respect yourself.
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      3. Nick
        Nick 8 July 2016 11: 50
        +2
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        You should not think that Israel is so stupid, the F-35 supplied to Israel is purchased at the expense of American assistance.

        Then of course! For free and vinegar is sweet ... lol hi
        1. guzik007
          guzik007 8 July 2016 12: 43
          +1
          Then of course! For free and vinegar is sweet ..
          ----------------------------------------
          Not everything is so simple, recently there was an interview with a Jewish commentator, Jacob Kedmi. He directly says that yes, the Yankees give money, but all repairs and maintenance are at the expense of the Jews. And then, with whom should we fight on these planes? for our problems, what is there is enough.
      4. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 8 July 2016 19: 16
        0
        Quote: Sith Lord
        You should not think that Israel is so stupid, the F-35 supplied to Israel is purchased at the expense of American assistance.

        Sergey, well, do not belittle the level of intelligence of site users to such an extent. hi wassat
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 8 July 2016 11: 11
      +12
      s. Petrov (4) RU Today, 10:58 AM New
      Now, former compatriots will say that this is all rubbish and that when Israel completes the software it will be a waffle to all the wunderwaffles waffle

      Well, do not admit to yourself that the overseas partners divorced Jews in shekels)

      PS Above and below, evidence will be given that this aircraft is the coolest and in 90% everyone knows what flag will be approved)
      I put a colleague plus, but the family will not agree with you. Just in Israel for the USA it will be a useful plane for PR companies of F35. Israel is definitely not going to fight with whom and with Russia. And the enemies of Israel have lower level air forces and air defense are not so hot saying. So wait for successful missions. Here you and shekels for advertising. Then you will beat yourself with your heel in the chest and tell what kind of f 35 is super.
      1. techie
        techie 8 July 2016 11: 25
        0
        Hm. And what does Israel have to do with it? F-35 American coffin as if. Let the Americans and spray their budget on not very useful expensive car.
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 8 July 2016 11: 31
          +2
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          Well, do not admit to yourself that the overseas partners divorced Jews in shekels)

          The wings for the F-35 are made just in Israel, so the big question is who divorced whom.
          Even the helmet for this aircraft will be released only by them.
        2. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 8 July 2016 19: 25
          +2
          Quote: techie
          Hm. And what does Israel have to do with it? F-35 American coffin as if. Let the Americans and spray their budget on not very useful expensive car.

          Alexander Viktorovich, dear, because the F-35 program is international in terms of financing. Simply put, the Americans for the development of this model have secured the guarantees of their acquisition by a number of countries. And at the same time, a co-financing program for this project was organized. And yes, I am surprised, but nevertheless, Israel is a participant in this program. hi
      2. Bramb
        Bramb 8 July 2016 11: 51
        +5
        Quote: Observer2014
        it will be a useful aircraft for PR campaigns of F35. Israel is definitely not going to fight with anyone and with Russia. But the enemies of Israel have lower level air forces and air defense are not so hot to say the least. Therefore, wait for successful missions. Here you are shekel for advertising. Here then they will beat themselves with a heel in the chest and tell what kind of f 35 super.

        Exactly!!!
        Jews will divorce the Pentagon on awesome grandmothers!
        Here I fully support them!
        Well, after all, "a quarter of our former people" (c).
      3. quote
        quote 8 July 2016 17: 11
        0
        Quote: Observer2014
        Here you have the shekels for the advertisement. Then they will beat themselves with their heels in the chest and tell what kind of f 35 is super.

        Jacob Kedmi has already advertised!
        https://youtu.be/Vknb_ECBWxc
    3. uskrabut
      uskrabut 8 July 2016 15: 28
      +1
      It all fits together! They don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.
  3. A-Sim
    A-Sim 8 July 2016 11: 02
    +1
    Well, guessed it, finally ...

    Who prompted who?
  4. dsm100
    dsm100 8 July 2016 11: 04
    +6
    It is inconspicuous for them. Do not stop them from thinking so.
  5. AKsvlad047
    AKsvlad047 8 July 2016 11: 09
    +2
    They are wandering, so let them wander, but we should not relax, the air defense and missile defense system must always be kept in good condition, and this is what our fellows are doing !!!
  6. Voyager
    Voyager 8 July 2016 11: 10
    +2
    As if this is news to someone ..
  7. Arkan
    Arkan 8 July 2016 11: 11
    +1
    The leitmotif of such articles is twofold, on the one hand, to mislead the enemy, on the other hand, to squeeze out more money to finalize the project. The more Americans throw money into this "wagon" the better, the less money will remain for other projects and time, the main time will be wasted and wasted. We must have time to launch a new generation of our military aviation into the series.
  8. vit
    vit 8 July 2016 11: 11
    +2
    F-35 delivered to Israel are purchased at the expense of American assistance

    Well, for free, and the vinegar is sweet! laughing In extreme cases, Israel will always need scrap!
    Do you think Israel is so stupid

    This is you in vain! I do not think that all over the world there are still those who think so!)))
  9. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 8 July 2016 11: 17
    +2
    We even play into our hands - let them think that he is not visible ... and then we will figure it out when these "invisible" will be in the zone of destruction of our air defense
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  11. RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 8 July 2016 11: 35
    0
    NI: the flaws of F-35 will make it easy prey for Russian air defense
    In the Pentagon it’s real, whether they think that it is invisible, then it’s better for us not to upset them, let them believe in their 5th generation to continue cutting ...
  12. Leto
    Leto 8 July 2016 11: 37
    +4
    Again a reprint of nonsense from NI, which had long been self-desecrated, I won’t be surprised that the author is the same Dave again ...
  13. Holsten
    Holsten 8 July 2016 11: 39
    +2
    The developers of the F-35 pursued a goal that did not mean gaining superiority in the air, since in their minds they had buried the Russian military-industrial complex at that time. The obvious goal is to put the soyuznichki on the headstock: here, after all, not only the cost of the wunderwaffle, but also many years of after-sales service with repair and modernization.
    1. Connie
      Connie 9 July 2016 01: 01
      0
      In addition to the Russian Federation, they certainly can’t have any opponents, even in the person of China?
  14. Leto
    Leto 8 July 2016 11: 42
    +2
    “The allegations that the F-35 will be effective against Russian air defense systems are doubtful, since Russia has invested heavily in developing a network of radar stations”

    The so-called "network of radar stations" does not even come close to the network that existed in the USSR and which was then considered insufficient.

    “The fighter has a single-engine engine, which does not provide any mechanisms to reduce the visibility of the exhaust”

    What does this have to do with radar signature?
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 8 July 2016 14: 11
      0
      Quote: Leto
      “The allegations that the F-35 will be effective against Russian air defense systems are doubtful, since Russia has invested heavily in developing a network of radar stations”

      The so-called "network of radar stations" does not even come close to the network that existed in the USSR and which was then considered insufficient.

      “The fighter has a single-engine engine, which does not provide any mechanisms to reduce the visibility of the exhaust”

      What does this have to do with radar signature?

      But in those days, the area of ​​the country was much larger, right? I don’t understand people who, remembering the USSR, compare the entire union with one Russia, forgetting that the population is many times smaller and the territory is not the same.
  15. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 8 July 2016 11: 45
    +2
    You would think that if the F-35 did not have its shortcomings or if it had 2 nozzles, not even round, but flat, triangular or in the shape of a star, then it would be invulnerable to Russian air defense. Moderators, why are you even skipping such nonsense articles? At the same, a whole generation of new fools will grow out of our youth! Now, with flags with a six-pointed star, they will attack and will come off here. Do you need it?
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 8 July 2016 16: 12
      +2
      Quote: Skifotavr
      Now, with flags with a six-pointed star, they will attack and will come off here. Do you need it?

      We need it?
  16. Bramb
    Bramb 8 July 2016 11: 46
    +4
    Do not believe him !!! Cool plane! We must invest another 10 trillion in it!
  17. weksha50
    weksha50 8 July 2016 11: 50
    +4
    Hmm ... Is it not too often in the Amer media that information has begun to appear about the superiority of Russian weapons over American ???

    Put to sleep vigilance ???
    The futility or effectiveness of this F-35 can be proved only by its use in real combat conditions against a worthy opponent ...

    So it’s not worth "being carried on" to these debauches ...
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 8 July 2016 14: 40
      0
      This is not an American media.
    2. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 9 July 2016 01: 38
      +1
      Hmm ... Is it not too often in the Amer media that information has begun to appear about the superiority of Russian weapons over American ???

      As a reason to ask for money.
  18. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 July 2016 11: 56
    0
    This plane is simply not elegant. Well should not fly well. and any radar invisibility there ... it can be in the millimeter and centimeter ranges. And in the meter, when the wavelength is on the order of the size of the object, all these invisibles are visible, like a Christmas tree on a moonless night. Well, yes, there are large antennas, and the power of the locators is also there, but we do not mind the electricity to detect such an expensive object.
    1. iwind
      iwind 8 July 2016 12: 13
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      This plane is simply not elegant. Well should not fly well. and any radar invisibility there ... it can be in the millimeter and centimeter ranges. And in the meter, when the wavelength is on the order of the size of the object, all these invisibles are visible, like a Christmas tree on a moonless night. Well, yes, there are large antennas, and the power of the locators is also there, but we do not mind the electricity to detect such an expensive object.

      Not so simple.
      But most importantly, there is not a single rocket that can be induced in meter, etc. range (Radar size in ghs rocket maxim cm range).
      1. Leto
        Leto 8 July 2016 12: 20
        +1
        Quote: iwind
        But most importantly, there is not a single missile that can be induced in the meter

        Unfortunately, few people care ...
      2. Manitoo
        Manitoo 8 July 2016 13: 56
        +1
        Well, to bring the rocket according to external target designation from these stations at a distance of at least 5 km to the target, after which the rocket itself is switched on - is it not possible? But from a distance of 5 km - no matter how "invisible" it is, even a not very powerful gsn will catch it.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 8 July 2016 14: 15
          0
          Quote: Manitoo
          Well, to bring the rocket according to external target designation from these stations at a distance of at least 5 km to the target, after which the rocket itself is switched on - is it not possible? But from a distance of 5 km - no matter how "invisible" it is, even a not very powerful gsn will catch it.

          They will not answer you, because you cannot be refuted. Recently, people began to think flatly. And these people think that we have fools in weapons developers.
        2. iwind
          iwind 8 July 2016 15: 19
          0
          Quote: Manitoo
          Well, to bring the rocket according to external target designation from these stations at a distance of at least 5 km to the target, after which the rocket itself is switched on - is it not possible? But from a distance of 5 km - no matter how "invisible" it is, even a not very powerful gsn will catch it.

          It means using radio command guidance. But it in itself is not particularly accurate, and the further the greater the error. And susceptible to interference (and the farther the distance the greater).
          Meter waves have a low accuracy in determining the coordinates, this is a physical property of meter and further waves.
          That is why there are no "meter" guidance radars, only survey ones.
          About GOS missiles you are probably talking about
          argsn. They are not "not very powerful" ... they are poor compared to airplane or ground radars. Two main parameters of the radar. Size and power (although you still need to add sensitivity here), a radius of 5-10 centimeters, the power from a battery that could be crammed into the limited size of a rocket, etc.
          And now the rocket must independently select targets against the background of interference and false targets ....
          Probability of success?
          And this is not some secret. Therefore, the main s-400 radar, including anti-stealth, is 96L6E operating in the C-band (3,5-7,5 cm).
          Andhttp: //bastion-opk.ru/96l6-1/
      3. VP
        VP 8 July 2016 16: 35
        +1
        External guidance / inertial + infrared sensors in GOS.
        Or do you think that when fired at a hundred, the missile is guided?
        1. iwind
          iwind 8 July 2016 17: 14
          0
          Quote: VP
          External guidance / inertial + infrared sensors in GOS

          Well, I'm writing about this. Radar 96L6E provides illumination and selection of targets.
          Additional IF sensors are rare because they are expensive, so most often I use one type of GOS.
          1. Connie
            Connie 9 July 2016 01: 05
            0
            The topic of large batteries and expensive IR sensors delivered ... wassat
  19. Skubudu
    Skubudu 8 July 2016 12: 02
    +5
    Not an article, but a w.s.se.
    If such a statement is made, arguments should be presented, a detailed justification and not two proposals.
  20. potapych
    potapych 8 July 2016 12: 04
    0
    And this means that “the thermal footprint from the F-35 will make it easy to detect a fighter and strike at it,” he explains .- and that's it !!!!!!!!!!!
  21. iwind
    iwind 8 July 2016 12: 11
    +2
    the best way to solve problems ...
  22. Comrade Glebov
    Comrade Glebov 8 July 2016 12: 15
    +7
    Some journalists from the yellow newspaper, clearly not related to the design agencies, said that they said the F35 wouldn’t fly and all that visible and all the patriots were immediately happy ... already sick of such articles. Have you seen the drawings and documentation? Do you understand it? Do the magazines understand it? I myself really hope that this plane will be the most disastrous in their entire past and present history, but it is short-sighted to believe such articles. I can also write that PAK FA is sawn from plywood and instead of a jet dvigl it has a toilet bowl of the Ukrainian production. Well, who will believe me, huh? And here already rejoicing full pants. FU-35 times!
    1. Connie
      Connie 8 July 2016 21: 13
      0
      In addition to them, there are still many who gave such assessments, so you can safely rejoice with everyone.
  23. viktor.
    viktor. 8 July 2016 12: 56
    -2
    the time will come to slap this chicken devouring golden eggs from the USA from some sort of air defense of the seventies, like their much-praised Stealth in Yugoslavia wassat will rake to the last that the failure of the program was itself from NASAS stop.. laughing laughing laughing
  24. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 8 July 2016 14: 08
    0
    If the thermal footprint is a disadvantage, then how to get rid of the inversion?
  25. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 8 July 2016 14: 08
    0
    If the thermal footprint is a disadvantage, then how to get rid of the inversion?
    1. wanderer
      wanderer 9 July 2016 13: 16
      0
      And what's the difference between them?
  26. fzr1000
    fzr1000 8 July 2016 14: 40
    +1
    Tired of these hap-handed reprints from an incompetent, known only here, magazine. Specialists without these "experts" will figure out how to deal with F 35.
  27. sergey2017
    sergey2017 8 July 2016 15: 24
    0
    TOR M2 is fully automated, it can itself control the designated airspace. A friend or foe system was used. This allows offline use to defeat targets. TOR M2 simultaneously recognizes 50 targets, identifies the most dangerous (by speed of approach), for example, cruise missiles, and after 7 seconds transmits target designation to the guidance station. For the accuracy of the guidance and target recognition system, the TOP M2 can rightly be called the best short-range air defense system in the world. The American F-35, presented as a fifth-generation fighter, is not an opponent for the TOP M5!
  28. spravochnik
    spravochnik 8 July 2016 16: 00
    +1
    At the same time, the expert points to a substantial, in his opinion, lack of aircraft: “The fighter has a single-engine engine that does not have any mechanisms for reducing the visibility of the exhaust.”

    "Single-engine engine" - cool said. These are the problems of an expert or a translator. If an expert, then this is really bad.
    1. VP
      VP 8 July 2016 16: 38
      0
      Rather translated cool, Google probably
  29. Mengad
    Mengad 8 July 2016 16: 17
    0
    Israel and F-35 look
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 10 July 2016 11: 46
      0
      Quote: Mengad
      Israel and F-35 look

      This is not Israel. This is Kedmi. And Yasha lately is a diagnosis.
  30. Elephant
    Elephant 8 July 2016 17: 29
    +1
    With all the flaws, in general, a good plane from the Americans turned out, then to dissemble. It is one and a half times smaller in size than our T-50 and lighter, but the difference between the maximum take-off mass and the mass of the empty T-50 and F-35 is the same - 18500 kg! Yes, there is no cooling cover installed on the engine - the most thermal-visible element that the 22 th raptor has, but ours also has no engine cooling. A vertical takeoff and landing! Another interesting aircraft Japs design - Mitsubishi ATD-X
    1. Connie
      Connie 8 July 2016 21: 00
      -4
      All this was bought in Russia in 1992, along with the RD-180 engines, the main module of the ISS American segment, etc. Now they pasted it with the flags of their allies, extended the project to convert metric threads to inch by almost a quarter of a century, fool the audience and sip American money taxpayers.
      1. Connie
        Connie 8 July 2016 21: 02
        0
        A toilet for NASA ISS was bought from Roskosmos for 21 million, in estimates it goes for 420
        1. Connie
          Connie 8 July 2016 22: 11
          -1
          and here they put their cons under the video with the Israeli Yakov Kedmi ...
          1. Connie
            Connie 9 July 2016 19: 59
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            As the number of minuses is growing without a single plus, TASS is authorized to declare - officially in the Yakovlev Design Bureau, for only half a million dollars. Compared to the price of the toilet from Roskosmos, or the price of F-35 for one piece, this can not be considered a purchase at all. Look for the prices for rocket engines and the ISS module yourself.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 10 July 2016 11: 49
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      Quote: Elephant
      With all the flaws, in general, a good plane from the Americans turned out, then to dissemble. It is one and a half times smaller in size than our T-50 and lighter, but the difference between the maximum take-off mass and the mass of the empty T-50 and F-35 is the same - 18500 kg! Yes, there is no cooling cover installed on the engine - the most thermal-visible element that the 22 th raptor has, but ours also has no engine cooling. A vertical takeoff and landing! Another interesting aircraft Japs design - Mitsubishi ATD-X

      You in the comment about two different planes said F-35a and F35b. This is about how to talk about the SVD and AKM as a single unit. They also have a lot of similar details, however, they differ dramatically in functionality and appearance.
  31. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 8 July 2016 18: 19
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    Quote: Vadim237
    Yes, these airplanes will not have to fly into the air defense zone either, they are armed with AGM-158B JASSM-ER cruise missiles with a launch range of 980 kilometers.


    Take off, anyway, have to!
    Nobody canceled the basic principles of air defense, how not to rename it! wink
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 July 2016 22: 00
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      They will fly in only when the entire air defense system is destroyed - first there will be warheads, then cruise missiles, and only then bombers and everything else.
      1. Connie
        Connie 8 July 2016 22: 16
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        They themselves are certainly warhead-resistant
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 9 July 2016 09: 53
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          Their missile defense continues to develop and the number of missiles is also increasing, today it is 900 missiles without selection of false targets, and tomorrow there are 2000 with selection capable of operating on ICBMs.
          1. Connie
            Connie 9 July 2016 19: 49
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            Their missile defense is still far from ours
  32. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 9 July 2016 00: 26
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    Quote: Vadim237
    They will fly in only when the entire air defense system is destroyed - first there will be warheads, then cruise missiles, and only then bombers and everything else.

    I wonder if our probable "partners" know about such a concept ???! laughing
    Nonsense !!!
    PS. if about the videoconferencing, then the queue for take-off and launch, heads and other things will not be used !!! who did not have time, he was late !!! Play and don’t bother! laughing
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 July 2016 09: 58
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      Whoever attacks first will have an advantage, and cruise missiles and missile defense of the United States and its allies every year becomes more and more. All aircraft will be kept at a considerable distance from the air defense zones.
  33. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 9 July 2016 01: 21
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    Quote: Operator
    What are the "indirect" signs of the air defense system? laughing

    Air defense radars are meter, decimeter and centimeter range. After the adoption of anti-aircraft missiles with an active radar seeker, the range of radar operation does not affect the capture of the target. Air defense radars detect and conduct the target, take the missile to the target area, and the missile is captured by the missile itself at a distance of 10-20 km - which is quite sufficient to detect the Penguin.

    And yes - you are mistaken, the Penguin's EPR is equal to 0,00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000005 sq.m.

    EPT, in the air defense, one "non-indirect" sign - Stop violation of the flight regime! To plant, to bring down the offender, further particular! This "sign", or rather the principle, if it was violated, it was because of the farts of the parquet generals!
    PS. By the way, about tsiferki and the process - not really nonsense, but close to that !!! if the cadet wrote, then you can not shoot, for now !!! laughing