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"Noviki" Soviet completion

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"Noviki" Soviet completion



The ships laid down according to the pre-revolutionary shipbuilding programs and completed in the first decade of Soviet power contributed to the victory over the Nazis in the naval theaters of the Great Patriotic War. Despite their considerable age, wear of bodies and mechanisms, they steadfastly carried military service at all fleets, participated in both well-known operations and in everyday hostilities. Thus, of the six Novik-class destroyers transferred to the fleet in 1923-1928, three ships - Nezamozhnik, Zheleznyakov and Kuibyshev - were awarded the Orders of the Red Banner for their heroic service during the war years. The work to preserve these destroyers during the civil war and devastation, the organization of their completion in the process of restoring the country's industrial potential became a noticeable milestone in stories domestic shipbuilding.

By the beginning of 1918 in Petrograd and Kronstadt, 11 was afloat and in Nikolaev, 4 of unfinished destroyer squadrons, half of which had a high degree of readiness (by corps - 90% and more). By order of the General Directorate of Shipbuilding, all work on them was stopped in February-March. 28 May The Main Shipbuilding Department issued orders for unloading shipbuilding materials, blanks and other property from destroyers of the Izyaslav and Gavriil types, evacuated from Revel, to the Petrograd factories, as well as for drawing up inventories and preservation of hulls and mechanisms.

On August 2, according to the report of the Chief of the Main Directorate of the Main Directorate for the Construction of Ships under Construction, the Naval Collegium decided to transfer the destroyers Prymislav, Bryachislav, Fedor Stratelates (like Izyaslav), Captain Belly, Captain Kern ”(of the type“ Lieutenant Ilyin ”) and“ Mikhail ”(of the type“ Gabriel ”), and the remaining unfinished ships of these types are eliminated. The question of the fate of the unfinished destroyers "Ushakovskaya" series remained open, in connection with the occupation of Ukraine by German troops.

The planned measures were not fully implemented: there was not enough materials for warming decks and superstructures, fuel and electricity, but the main thing was done: the bottom and overboard fittings were preserved from defrosting, the mechanisms were laid up, the property was sheltered from the weather and protected.



15 March 1919 of the Year The Revolutionary Military Council of the RSFSR decided to complete the construction of the Svetlana cruiser, two destroyers of the squadrons (Prymislav and Captain Belly) and five minesweepers. To perform work on the "Captain Belly" was even given a preliminary outfit (readiness - for the spring 1920 g.). However, the state of the country's economy and the situation on the fronts did not allow these plans to be implemented: already 30 of April was followed by an order to remove from the ship some of the mechanisms necessary for an urgent transfer to the oil heating of the destroyers sent to the Caspian Sea.

The question of completing the construction of “Pryamislav” and “Captain Belly” was raised again at the end of 1919 in connection with the death of “Gabriel”, “Constantine” and “Freedom”; The possibility has been studied of ordering abroad appropriate materials, tools and appliances But the end of the civil war, in the European part of the country, brought national economic tasks to the forefront, and measures to ensure the combat capability of the naval forces of the country temporarily had to be reduced to repairing ships remaining in service in the Baltic, and to rebuilding the fleet in the Black Sea, where the departure of the interventionists and the white guard ships is almost gone.

The squadron destroyer Zante, abandoned by Wrangel's troops in a semi-submerged state at the Big Fountain in Odessa and towed to Nikolaev in September of 1920, was recognized as one of the primary shipbuilding facilities. By the time of the termination of work in March 1918, its hull readiness was 93,8%, according to the mechanisms - 72,1%, all boilers, bow turbine, most of the auxiliary mechanisms and some of the pipelines were installed; from the armament two torpedo tubes were mounted. It was necessary to clean the case from dirt and corrosion, to open and repair mechanisms, to replace the brickwork of the boilers, to perform some other restoration work. The total readiness of the ship to the beginning of completion was estimated at 55%.

23 December 1922, the Main Marine Technical and Economic Department (Glavmortekhozupr) concluded a contract with Glavmetall VNHK for completing the construction of Zante at Nikolaev state plants "in accordance with the approved drawings, specifications and specifications for 33 nodal speed destroyers". Glavmetal has pledged to present the ship in full readiness for official trials through 11 months, taking into account the prohibition to remove anything from the Corfu and Levkos to be completed later.



12 June 1923 of the Year “Zante” was renamed “Unauthorized”, and 29 of April 1926 of the year “Unmarked”. According to their tactical and technical elements, the device of the hull, the composition and location of technical means, armament, the ship was repeated by the previously built destroyers of this type. Only the anti-aircraft artillery differed from the prototype: a 76-mm gun was installed in the stern in the 30 calibers of the FF Lender system, and later another was added.

The acceptance committee chaired by A.P. Shershova began work on September 13 1923. After 10 days, “Nezamozhny” went to Sevastopol, having carried out a six-hour test of mechanisms on an economic course. The displacement was 1310 tons, the average speed was 18,3 kn at 302 rpm and power 4160 l. s., fuel consumption 4,81 t / h. Boilers and mechanisms worked satisfactorily, burning was smokeless. The ship also successfully passed the 27 on September six-hour cruising mode (1420 tons, 23,9 knots, 430 rpm, 14342 hp). On October 10, after alkalization and cleaning of the boilers, the mechanisms were tested at full speed. With a displacement of 1440 t, it was possible to obtain the average 3,5 speed for 27,5 h at 523 rpm, the total power of the 22496 turbines, hp and the full force boilers. There was also a large smoke and significant overall vibration of the case. Since the contract did not define the obligations of the plant to achieve certain speed indicators, the commission decided not to repeat the tests.

The next day, we tried artillery, and October 14 “Nezamozhny” returned to Nikolaev, where they disassembled and cleaned the mechanisms and boilers for a week, determined the stability (the metacentric height with a displacement of 1350 t corresponded to the specification and was 0,87 m). October 20 held a control exit, after which the commission found the "Non-clever" to meet the requirements of the fleet. 7 November 1923 on the ship solemnly raised the naval flag, and he was enlisted in the naval forces of the Black Sea.



At the request of Glavmortehozoupra on the conditions for completing the construction of the Pramislav, Captain Belli and Captain Kern squadrons, the Petrogradsky District Court in the beginning of 1923 reported the deadlines for these works (16, 12 and 20 months from the date of conclusion of the contract) and the price of 3,132 million rub. Such funds in the 1923 / 24 fiscal year failed to allocate. At the same time, the international situation dictated the need to strengthen the defense of the maritime borders of the USSR, and on September 2, the Labor and Defense Council adopted a resolution to assign destroyers Pramyslav, Captain Belly and Corfu to other ships for the Navy. and Levkos. Outfitting work was prescribed to conduct according to the drawings and specifications of the serial ships of the corresponding types.

The contract for the completion of "Corfu" concluded 10 April 1925 of the year, in fact, work began immediately after the delivery of the "Cleared". From 16 January to 16 February 1924, carts of the Morton slipway carried out cleaning, repair and painting of the hull with minus, setting up significant corrosive wear of the exterior plating, dwelling deck and second floor (up to 25% of original thickness). Part of the sheets replaced. By the end of 1924, the installation of the main and auxiliary mechanisms, pipelines, systems, devices and weapons was completed. Through the 3-4 of the month, similar work was carried out on Levkos. 5 February 1925 ships were renamed: “Corfu” - to “Petrovsky” (in honor of the Chairman of the CEC of the USSR Grigory Ivanovich Petrovsky), “Levkos” - to “Shaumyan” (in honor of one of the 26 Baku commissars).

March 10 march to Odessa began factory running tests "Petrovsky", and April 25 - official. The state acceptance commission was headed by Yu.A. Szymansky. 30 April on the transition to Sevastopol, the turbine speed was brought to 560 for a short time, the speed of the lag reached 29,8 ties.



The plant took into account the experience of the completion and testing of the “Nezamozhny”: the boilers and mechanisms of the “Petrovsky” worked more reliably, the smoke and vibration decreased. 9 May at the three-hour full speed mode developed the average speed of 30,94 and the maximum - 32,52 nodes. Three days later, the cruising range of the 19 hub economic course was determined, which, with a full supply of 410 fuel, amounted to 2050 miles, and in actual navigation with an "inexperienced military team with the consequences of fouling and pollution of boilers" - about 1500 miles. 14 May identified elements of the circulation of the destroyer, and 28 May - its stability. Tests of weapons showed the unreliability of the optional 37-mm anti-aircraft machine of the Maxim system, which after the first three shots gave continuous misfires, (it was removed at the end of the twenties, adding a second 76-mm gun to the poop.

After inspecting the mechanisms, selecting defects and controlling the exit, the 10 of June 1925 of the year saw the solemn raising of the Naval flag, and the Petrovsky became part of the Black Sea Naval Forces. The conclusions of the acceptance committee indicated the need to eliminate the vibration on the moves of more than 400 rpm, the reason for which is Yu.A. Szymansky considered too long a propeller shaft between the bracket and the deadwood with weakness of the aft hull, this was not noted in the Baltic destroyers.

The slip was taken into account, and the contract of 13 of August 1925 of the year, for the completion of the “Shahumyan” being prepared for tests, provided for additional reinforcement of the stern, which gave positive results. The tests launched on October 19 were successful: the average full speed reached 30,63, the highest - 31,46 knots, with power respectively 27740 and 28300 l. c, with moderate vibration in the 400-535 rpm range. The navigation range of the 18 hub was 2130 miles. December 10 Commission signed the acceptance certificate.

The first of the destroyers completed in Leningrad under the 1924 / 25 program of the fiscal year was Kalinin (up to 5 in February 1925 of the year - “Direct”), whose overall readiness was estimated at 69% by the beginning of work. Of the mechanisms on the ship, there was no bow turbo-condensate pump, aft engine fan and main condenser tubes. Pipeline installation has not been completed. From the autumn of 1925 of the year to January, the 1926 of the destroyer went docking with replacement of screws. According to the experience of using the artillery of the same type of destroyer Karl Marx (formerly Izyaslav), the second 102-mm gun was transferred to three shpatsii in the nose, because at the same place his shots at sharp course angles stunned the calculation of the first gun. The elevation angle of the main artillery increased to 30 °. After completing all the work and testing, the ship 20 July 1927 of the year became part of the Baltic Sea Naval Forces.



The construction of “Captain Belly” had to be postponed for a whole year: during the 23 September 1924 flood, the surge surged it from the moorings, and after many hours of drift, the ship found itself on the sandbank in the Fox Nose area, having been damaged and tilted to 2 °. In the summer of next year, it was necessary to wash the 300-meter channel to remove it from the ground. Therefore, first of all, they decided to finish building “Captain Kern”. 10 has started work on December 1924 of the year. They made and installed the missing main condenser and boiler turbofans, but then the matter stalled due to the lack of pipes and fittings of the main steam line, which had to be ordered abroad. The mooring trials began only in the spring of 1927 of the year, and the 18 of September, the destroyer carried out the 6-hour program of the full stroke mode, showing the average speed of 1360 and the maximum 29,54 nodes at normal displacement (30,5 t). On October 15, the commission that conducted the tests signed the ship acceptance certificate for the fleet.

The completion of “Captain Belly”, renamed 13 in July 1926 to “Karl Liebknecht”, was completed only in spring 1928. On August 2, the ship showed the average speed 30,35 knots on the measuring line. and on the two-hour “full stroke” mode, developed 540 rpm with 31 power 660 l. with. and the operation of 63 nozzles from 80 (speed through the lag reached 32 knots). The Commission, noting that “the move was easily achieved, and could be further increased,” signed the acceptance certificate the next day. In contrast to the previously built destroyers of this type, the Kuibyshev (before 31 in May 1925 of the year - “Captain Kern”) and “Karl Liebknecht” installed three-legged masts (on the first - both, on the second - only the nasal). Destroyer armament included four 102-mm and one 76-mm anti-aircraft gun, 37-mm machine gun Maxim, two 7,62-mm machine guns and three three-tube torpedo tubes.



In the years of the prewar five-year plans, the ships that replenished the formations of squadron destroyers in the mid-twenties, became a real “forge of cadres” for the reviving fleet of our country. They participated in long-distance campaigns, intensively engaged in combat training, repeatedly visited foreign countries. In the prewar years, these destroyers were overhauled and upgraded. They installed smoke and noise-finding equipment, para-guards of the type K-1, aft bomb spreaders for large and small depth bombs, two 45-mm anti-aircraft guns, 7,62-mm machine guns were replaced with large-caliber (12,7-mm). In the 1942-1943, on the remaining ships, anti-aircraft armament was reinforced by 37- and 20-mm anti-aircraft guns of the new models, replacing the 76-mm tools of the Lender system. Having a good seaworthiness, retaining the 25-28-junction, the “novices” during the years of the Great Patriotic War remained valuable warships.

The destroyer of the Northern Fleet "Kuibyshev" the first of them 24 June 1943, was awarded the Order of the Red Banner. 27 July 1941 g. Artillery fire, he, together with the destroyer "Uritsky" prevented enemy attempts to break into the Middle Peninsula. Having passed the 44 000 war for miles, the ship escorted 240 transport ships, shot down two enemy aircraft, in the conditions of the worst storm, saved 1942 in November, the main part of the crew of the crushing destroyer SX (179 people), successfully performed many other command assignments. The destroyer finished his service as a target ship during the testing of atomic weapons off the coast of New Earth 21 September 1955 of the year. Kuibyshev was located at a distance of 1200 m from the epicenter. The destroyer did not receive serious damage, with the exception of radioactive contamination. Was dismantled for metal in the 1958 year.

Heroically acted as part of the Black Sea Fleet "Independent", "Zheleznyakov" (before the 23 July 1939 of the "Petrovsky") and "Shaumyan", who took part in the defense of Odessa and Sevastopol, in the landing of the landing force in Feodosia.



April 3, 1942 "Shaumyan" in extremely adverse conditions made the transition from Novorossiysk to Poti. Near Gelendzhik, the destroyer ran aground and struck the bottom. It was impossible to remove the ship from the stones. In addition, the ship was badly damaged by storms and fascist aviation. The guns were removed from it and transferred to the coastal artillery.

The "undeclared" in the battles and campaigns passed more than 46 000 military miles, "Zheleznyakov" - more than 30 000. The ships covered dozens of transports from enemy aviation, shot down three enemy planes, suppressed several batteries with artillery fire, supported the 4 of February 1943 in February with the landing of the landing force in South Ozeriyka. 8 July 1945 “Zheleznyakov” and “Independent” were awarded the Order of the Red Banner. 12 January 1949 of the Year “The Cleaver” was converted into a target ship, and in the early fifties, it was sunk when testing new weapon systems near the shores of the Crimea.

A more interesting post-war fate was at the destroyer Zheleznyakov. In 1947, it was handed over to the Bulgarian Navy. There, in the 1948 year, there was a fire on the ship, after which he was sent for repairs to Varna. After repairing continued service in Bulgaria. However, due to the overgrowth of the underwater part and illiterate exploitation, the ship’s speed dropped to 15 nodes. The next repair was made in Sevastopol. In 1949, the destroyer returned the USSR. In April, the 1953 of the year Zheleznyakov was converted into a floating tower, and in 1957, it was handed over for dismantling.

Karl Liebknecht, which was overhauled from October 1940 to October 1944, managed to take part in the operations of the Northern Fleet at the final stage of the war, and 22 on April 1945 sunk a German U-286 submarine. This destroyer also ended his service after testing the 21 September 1955 nuclear weapon, and was later put on board as a floating pier in the Belushya Bay, where, apparently, it still stands today.



The squadron destroyer Kalinin, which entered service after a long overhaul in the first days of the war, already became the flagship of the June NNYX 27 squadron of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet ships assigned for the equipment of the mine-artillery position in the eastern part of the Gulf of Finland, which securely covered the approaches to Leningrad from seas. 1941 August ship under the flag of Rear Admiral Yu.F. Rallia led the rearguard of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet ships departing from Tallinn. In 28 h 23 min Kalinin hit a mine and sank after half an hour due to severe hull damage.

This was the service and the end of the last representatives of the glorious "Novikov" galaxy, the completion of which in the difficult conditions of the recovery period prepared the reviving shipbuilding industry to implement new shipbuilding programs, and left a noticeable mark in the history of domestic shipbuilding.

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Likhachev P. Squadron of the "Novik" type in the Navy of the USSR. SPb .: Publisher R.R. Munirov, 2005. C. 48-97.
Verstiuk A., Gordeev S. Ships of mine divisions. From "Novik" to "Gogland". M .: Military book, 2006. C. 48-54.
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  1. Fei_Wong
    Fei_Wong 12 July 2016 07: 02
    +14
    I have a special relationship with "newcomers". Intense tenderness. After all ... well, it is necessary, almost by accident (who knows the history of the creation of "Novik", he will understand) already at the end of the years of the Russian Empire, our designers, engineers and workers were able to make such a mega-destroyer, which was not only the best in the world at the time of its creation, but also determined the development of the class for many decades to come. Moreover, it has proven its usefulness even during the Second World War.
    PS By the way, if you haven't read Pikul's Moonzund, I strongly advise you.
    1. AK64
      AK64 12 July 2016 08: 29
      +2
      After all ... well, it is necessary, almost by chance (who knows the history of the creation of "Novik", he will understand) already at the end of the years of the Russian Empire, our designers, engineers and workers were able to make such a mega-destroyer, which was not only the best in the world at the time of its creation, but also determined the development of the class for many decades to come.


      I’ll unpack you again: AG Volcano, Stettin.

      An analogue of the same Novikov for Germany itself is the B-97 class
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 12 July 2016 08: 47
        +8
        Quote: AK64
        I’ll unpack you again: AG Volcano, Stettin.

        An analogue of the same Novikov for Germany itself is the B-97 class

        Well, why, you won’t disappoint at all, the more V-99 (not B-97) type was built as a part of all 2 units around Novik mechanisms ordered in Germany at one time. Moreover, the same Novik killed his clones at the Mikhailovsky Lighthouse.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 12 July 2016 08: 54
          +4
          And S-113 and V-116 Vulcan and Stettin are already leaders of destroyers with the main caliber in 150 mm. Moreover, in the battles they were not able to prove themselves
        2. AK64
          AK64 12 July 2016 09: 25
          -2
          Well, why, you won’t disappoint at all, the more V-99 (not B-97) type was built as a part of all 2 units around Novik mechanisms ordered in Germany at one time. Moreover, the same Novik killed his clones at the Mikhailovsky Lighthouse.


          The letter Would, you know, would be, not you. B-97.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 12 July 2016 10: 07
            +1
            Quote: AK64
            The letter Would, you know, would be, not you. B-97.

            Don’t be so nervous, Andrey! The conversation is not about the letter, but about the serial number of B-99 and B-100. AT-97 this is another song, the B-97, B-98, B-109, B-110, B-111, B-112 series were built around the mechanisms of the new 2 series hi
            1. AK64
              AK64 12 July 2016 11: 13
              -5
              Don’t be so nervous, Andrey! The conversation is not about the letter, but about the serial number B-99 and B-100. V-97 is another song, a series of V-97, V-98, V-109, V-110, V-111, V-112 were built around the mechanisms of the newcomers of the 2 series


              What makes you think I'm nervous?
              Novik was developed "with significant participation" by AG Vulkan, Stettin. Sorry, but it's a fact.
              This is exactly what I said.

              Therefore, it is not surprising that the eight B-97 class ships built during the war look like Noviki like two drops of pepper powder. 6 pieces, B97, B98, B109, B110, B111, B112, built by Blohm & Voss. 2 pieces, V99 and V100, built by the Volcano.

              The flecks of Bloch and Vulcan were slightly different. (In the photo above, I see the Vulkanovsky scoop, although the signature is Bloch). I could not find an unprotected photo of the Flea product, but the cutting there is like Novik's. That is, the silhouettes do not differ.

              They can of course say "copied". But the trick is that for such a copy - drawings are needed. The Germans had them due to "participation in the project"

              By the way, as an assessment of the project: IMHO, for the Baltic, a smaller boat would have been needed, and cheaper, tons in 500. This is not to say that Novik is bad, but to the fact that for WWI and Baltic EM in 500 tons would be more numerous and more useful.

              The reason for the construction of exactly the big Novikovs was the English mafia (more precisely, agents) in the Russian fleet. (Essen, Kolchak, ...)
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 12 July 2016 13: 50
                +5
                My minus is for Essen .... if there is anything to blame for Essen, show, but not unfounded. Nikolai Ottovich was a combat officer and admiral!
                Quote: AK64
                By the way, as an assessment of the project: IMHO, for the Baltic, a smaller boat would have been needed, and cheaper, tons in 500. This is not to say that Novik is bad, but to the fact that for WWI and Baltic EM in 500 tons would be more numerous and more useful.

                What exactly are useful? What did Noviki do during WWI? Destroyer in 500 tons. what would you do?
                1. AK64
                  AK64 12 July 2016 15: 04
                  -1
                  My minus is for Essen .... if there is anything to blame for Essen, show, but not unfounded. Nikolai Ottovich was a combat officer and admiral!

                  Oh you goddess ...

                  Present walkie-talkie and cipherblocks and parachute And without them in any way?

                  Even Pikul wrote that Essen strongly pushed Kolchak, including on the BF commander. (!!!) Is Kolchak an irreplaceable naval commander? No, everything is simpler: they are both from the same "mafia", and nothing more. Kolchak was removed away from St. Petersburg so that he did not break the wood here, but the main result of his appointment to the Black Sea Fleet was the delay by all forces of the Russian landing on Basfor.

                  Who and for what reason killed Nepenin - do you understand?
                  Look at the list of admirals who were killed in the spring of 1917 - THESE, it’s these, those killed, that русские admirals. Because they were killed.
                  С award Read right now, maybe you will understand what.
                  Here Kolchak was not stabbed, why should they cut him, Not Nepenin, his own man. Kolchak, on the contrary, was carefully preserved and then thrown off by landing in Siberia: "the Supreme Ruler".

                  On the whole, Essen lobbied with all his might the construction of the fleet in the form in which it would correspond britishand not Russian interests.


                  What exactly are useful? What did Noviki do during WWI? Destroyer in 500 tons. what would you do?

                  Yes, because for the same money there would be three times more ships, that's what.

                  Generally speaking, boats, including large ones, but still it is the boats that are the most actively fighting type of ship. And only for the Baltic, with its skerries, in particular. And the construction of "mine cruisers" (or Destroirov in 1300t) is certainly a good thing - but only when you have enough smaller ships. In general, stretch your legs on clothes ...
                  1300t at that time is already an ocean ship, and it was not for nothing that Noviks kept the wave on the Northern Fleet better than the Soviet EMs, etc. 7 and 7bis. And for the Baltic, the same bark could be piled for 1800 tons, which, by the way, the Germans did. (see the last four of their "new")
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 13 July 2016 11: 47
                    +3
                    Quote: AK64
                    Present walkie-talkie and cipherblocks and parachute And without them in any way?

                    Nah no way!
                    Quote: AK64
                    Even Pikul wrote that Essen strongly pushed Kolchak

                    Essen pushed not only Kolchak, but also below the Nepenin you brought wink . Moreover, to cite the words of the writer-marine painter Pikul as an argument, if you please!
                    Quote: AK64
                    everything is simpler: they are both from the same "mafia"

                    And here I agree with you ... how is the "mafia"! And the founder of this mafia was none other than Stepan Osipovich Makarov wassat ... After all, it was he who pushed Essen, Essen pushed Nepenin because he closed the Essen Sevastopol from the Japanese torpedo with his "Watchmen". Essen also remembered the destroyer "Angry", on whose mines two battleships and a Japanese cruiser were blown up, and the "English spies" Kolchak commanded this destroyer.

                    Quote: AK64
                    Kolchak was removed away from Peter so that he wouldn’t break firewood here, but the main result of his appointment to the Black Sea Fleet was the delay in all forces of the Russian landing on Basfor.

                    It’s cool, but Romania’s entry into the war and the diversion of two landing corps and part of the transports to save Romania are not taken into account, the February Revolution and the consequence of order No. 1 are also garbage ... he’s a spy!

                    Quote: AK64
                    Who and for what reason killed Nepenin - do you understand?

                    laughing Stopudo English! I understand that perfectly. At least according to the one who got the tracing papers of the minefields from "Krechet" and what Nepenin was doing before his new position.
                    As for your favorite counter-destroyers type "Volunteer", and you are a Germanophile, my friend, as I can see laughing
                2. AK64
                  AK64 12 July 2016 17: 56
                  -3
                  I think we should still tell a little about Essen. And then comrades are offended.

                  \ khe-khe - cleared his throat \

                  Comrade officers, I report:

                  In the fall of 1907, Russia entered into a "love agreement" with Great Britain. The reasons ... well, it was a surrender, and what do you want, two years of continuous terror, essentially a civil war ... And as the treaty was concluded, the terror ended in a mysterious way. And why would it be so? Not otherwise, such a coincidence happened ... Accident, then, such.

                  Well, "bhai-bhai forever" began with an Englishwoman. (You can guess what it is like to be "friends" with them) So the appointment of Nikolai is the light of Ottovich Essen com. BF is just one of the results of this agreement and "bhai-bhai": they pushed the british right person. And one should not think that the appointment ended with this: the British in the Russian Navy that they wanted and did at all. Those interested are strongly advised to get acquainted, just for example, with the intrigue of the construction of Rurik-2, exactly how and why the construction company was chosen, with --- you grin .. or you will cry. (By the way, Sydney Reilly marked him there strongly, he is Sema Rosenblum from Zhmerinka.)

                  I sometimes think that "croupous inflammation of the lungs" in 1915 also happened for a reason, that there was an immune system in the Russian Empire.

                  And as for a "combat officer", after the RYA in Russia, it was possible to create regiments from naval combat officers. And so, if in a war with the Germans, then on the post of com. BF Essen was not marked with anything somehow. (And his promoted and "colleague in the box" Kolchak was noted only for persistent sabotage of the landing in the Bosphorus.)

                  These are such sad things ...
              2. Amurets
                Amurets 12 July 2016 14: 08
                +1
                Quote: AK64

                By the way, as an assessment of the project: IMHO, for the Baltic, a smaller boat would have been needed, and cheaper, tons in 500. This is not to say that Novik is bad, but to the fact that for WWI and Baltic EM in 500 tons would be more numerous and more useful.

                You mean destroyers like volunteers?
                1. AK64
                  AK64 12 July 2016 14: 43
                  -2
                  You mean destroyers like volunteers?

                  But with turbines and oil.
                  1. Amurets
                    Amurets 12 July 2016 15: 33
                    0
                    Quote: AK64
                    But with turbines and oil.

                    I also meant this, but did not specify.
    2. Lester7777
      Lester7777 12 July 2016 11: 30
      +4
      "From these narrow and warm decks, filled with fuel oil, I learned to look more sternly ...
      Now I am fifty, and I no longer have ship dreams.
      Where are they, light-winged ships with a wide chimney blown through by a draft of boilers roaring like a thunderstorm? Where are they, these dashing riders of the seas, who will emerge from the darkness of the polar night, from any bad weather, strike and again perish in the darkness, whistling with a tight-fitting antenna and rigging? .. "
      Pikul wrote well about the sea and ships.
      1. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 13 July 2016 05: 12
        +1
        Pikul must be referenced very carefully. His novels can be described as entertaining on a historical theme. A lot of inaccuracies and notions. At the same time, Pikul himself was in the Navy for a short time, mainly it was a Jung school, then the Leningrad preparatory naval school, from which he was expelled due to poor performance. On this, his direct connection with the fleet ended. The school itself later became the First Baltic, and then the Higher Naval Diving School (VVMUPP).
    3. Cat
      Cat 12 July 2016 19: 23
      +1
      I will add in tsarist Russia "Noviks" for their characteristics were called semi-cruisers.
  2. Serg65
    Serg65 12 July 2016 07: 11
    +12
    The article was a plus, although it is felt that the article was not written by a sailor ... a little dry, basically how he was born, baptized, married and died. Strange as it may seem, a ship has a soul, and for a sailor the ship is as alive as a friend! Let's take EM "Shahumyan" for example
    3 April 1942 of the year “Shaumyan” under extremely unfavorable conditions made the transition from Novorossiysk to Poti. Near Gelendzhik destroyer ran aground and broke through the bottom. Remove the ship from the rocks was impossible. In addition, the ship was badly damaged by storms and fascist aircraft. The guns were removed from it and transferred to the coastal artillery.

    AND EVERYTHING !!!! And the fact that "Shahumyan" lived a glorious military life? Here and mine setting in the Kiliyskiy gore, fire support for the defenders of Odessa, the evacuation of our troops from Odessa and the Tendrovskaya Spit, towing damaged ships and vessels. He participated in the Kerch-Fiodosiya operation and was the first to enter the Fiodosiya port. Landing in Alushta, two landing in Sudak, shelling of the Yalta port and Saki airfield. And even after its death, the destroyer continued to fight, four 102 mm. "Shaumyan's" guns became the glorious 464th coastal battery near Anapa, the battery fought only one day, but WHAT A DAY! The old "Noviks" fought gloriously for the independence of their homeland, HONOR and PRAISE to them! soldier
  3. kugelblitz
    kugelblitz 12 July 2016 07: 16
    +2
    A good reserve for the future was laid in them, especially powerful artillery weapons. In principle, even in WWII, these ships are a little outdated, in fact, there is a radar and a more recent SLA, you can neither give nor take a modern destroyer of that period.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 19 October 2016 18: 47
      0
      I completely agree: EMs of the Novik project were perfectly designed and with excellent seakeeping
  4. Fei_Wong
    Fei_Wong 12 July 2016 07: 26
    +2
    Quote: kugelblitz
    A good reserve for the future was laid in them, especially powerful artillery weapons. In principle, even in WWII, these ships are a little outdated, in fact, there is a radar and a more recent SLA, you can neither give nor take a modern destroyer of that period.

    They are also outdated (neither closed AUs, nor well-developed torpedo armament - although if you compare it with the horror that was on the "newcomers" initially, it's already not bad). But not much outdated, that's true. Especially for the tasks of our fleet.
    1. kugelblitz
      kugelblitz 12 July 2016 09: 08
      -1
      If you compare with destroyers, and not destroyers, then quite a good ship was, say, comparing with destroyers such as Spica. Moreover, each fleet had its own view on this type of ship, to someone range, to someone torpedoes, to someone artillery.
  5. 0895055116
    0895055116 12 July 2016 07: 42
    +7
    MEN! If the data in the article are true, then THERE IS A PROBABLE MEANING TO RESTORE THE KARL LIBKHNET destroyer to its original state and TURN IT INTO A MONUMENT, MUSEUM SHIP! That would be great, that would be a MEMORY for both Baltic sailors and North Sea sailors!
    1. Evgeny RS
      Evgeny RS 12 July 2016 15: 09
      +1
      Such an object will be very difficult to keep afloat. If only in a dry dock or even pulled ashore.
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 19 October 2016 18: 55
      +1
      100% agree that there would be a beautiful monument: not only the North Sea and the Baltic, but the Russian shipbuilders and even the Russian sailors of the WWI
  6. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 12 July 2016 08: 34
    +7
    I had a chance to read the memoirs of A.G. Golovko. with such warmth he writes about these ships with such a margin of safety, new destroyers sometimes did not hold the storm wave of the Barents Sea, but at least that is something! Yes "NOVIKI" is not just ships it is a LEGEND OF VIVAT TO RUSSIAN SHIPS !!!!!! drinks
  7. Ruby
    Ruby 12 July 2016 09: 17
    +2
    Quote: 0895055116
    MEN! If the data in the article are true, then THERE IS A PROBABLE MEANING TO RESTORE THE KARL LIBKHNET destroyer to its original state and TURN IT INTO A MONUMENT, MUSEUM SHIP! That would be great, that would be a MEMORY for both Baltic sailors and North Sea sailors!


    In general, one should learn from the same Americans in terms of preserving the historical heritage and well-deserved technology. See how many museum ships they have. About the aviation museum and say no, in comparison with ours. And how many equipment are there during the Second World War on the go. Both planes and ships. Recently I watched the story of how their veterans restored a torpedo boat with the help of volunteers.
    1. Evgeny RS
      Evgeny RS 12 July 2016 15: 06
      +2
      They have more money. You have to pay for everything.
      1. AK64
        AK64 12 July 2016 16: 06
        0
        Q.: It seems to citizens that such monuments are free of charge ...
        1. 0895055116
          0895055116 13 July 2016 08: 25
          +1
          Mr. "AK64", you think you are very smart ?! Do you think that I do not understand - "everything costs money"? I understand perfectly! I perfectly understand that EVERYTHING THAT I OFFER IS NOT A BUSINESS OF ONE DAY and NOT ONE MILLION RUBLES! BUT, IT'S CHEAPER NOT TO DO ANYTHING AND MEMORY IS NOT NEEDED, IT IS HARMFUL FOR YOU AND THE GROWING GENERATION, IT IS ALSO HARMFUL FOR VETERANS !? IS NOT IT!
          1. AK64
            AK64 13 July 2016 08: 39
            -2
            Mr. "AK64", you think you are very smart ?!

            Why does it "seem"? I am


            Do you think that I do not understand - "everything costs money"? I understand perfectly!

            No, you don’t understand.
            Go from words to deeds - do not "offer", "let them do", but directly organize a fundraising and restoration of the ship in the form of a monument.

            Then it will be the words of the husband, not the babble of the boy.

            And sentences in the style of "why don't you bunnies grow needles like hedgehogs have?" --- it's generally ... babbling of babies.
            1. 0895055116
              0895055116 13 July 2016 08: 59
              0
              If I KNOW HOW TO DO IT, I would do! But, I made an OFFER and let the ONE WHO CAN and KNOWS HOW TO DO IT TAKE THE INITIATIVE, I will gladly support it! Boy or husband, I’m 53 and I’m worth something in my professional affairs ...
        2. Alex
          Alex 13 July 2016 17: 31
          +4
          Quote: AK64
          Q.: It seems to citizens that such monuments are free of charge ...

          Yes, not yesterday we were born, we know perfectly well that now for free and a pimple on the back ... will not jump up. But here's what is interesting: there is money for all football-athletes who cannot get into the goal, but there is no money for "the cause of the patriotic education of the younger generation".
          1. AK64
            AK64 13 July 2016 17: 57
            0
            Yes, not yesterday we were born, we know perfectly well that now for free and a pimple on the back ... will not jump up. But here's what is interesting: there is money for all football-athletes who cannot get into the goal, but there is no money for "the cause of the patriotic education of the younger generation".


            Are football clubs also subsidized by the state?
            Well, if this is so, then I’m wanging that the fact is that it is easier to steal from the club than from the monument.

            our history has been calculated for centuries, and children in museums have nothing to show except broken shards.

            Well, people do not know how, well. They don’t know what exactly people are interested in watching. It’s from Shpakovsky that one should ask for it.
            But there are many art galleries in Russia. (Although to me personally they are completely up to the stars. And to the children, it seems to me, too - it’s stupid to consider pictures, it made sense only until there was Internet.)
            1. Alex
              Alex 13 July 2016 20: 04
              +2
              Quote: AK64
              But there are many art galleries in Russia. (Although to me personally they are completely up to the stars. And to the children, it seems to me, too - it’s stupid to consider pictures, it made sense only until there was Internet.)

              The Vatican has one of the best Internet in the world, but its art gallery is one of the richest. So, as you can see, looking at pictures is not as stupid as some might think ...
    2. Alex
      Alex 13 July 2016 17: 27
      +3
      Quote: Yakut
      About the Museum of Aviation and not worth talking

      I'll correct a little: there are museums, there are EMNIP, only four large ones (I don't remember the addresses, I watched them on TV for a long time). Actually, you are right: our history is counted for centuries, and children in museums have nothing to show except broken shards. But Americans do not exist for a week on the globe, but come on, a whole museum industry. And each has a lot of secrets and mysteries. They are promoting themselves, but in our country it is “a shame for the state” (C).
  8. Amurets
    Amurets 12 July 2016 09: 24
    +3
    Quote: kapitan281271
    Yes "NOVIKI" is not just ships it is a LEGEND VIVAT TO RUSSIAN SHIPS !!!!!!

    Noviks earned this honor. Three wars have passed. There were good ships. And what kind of sailors they served. Admiral Isakov, the writer Sobolev. There are books on the net besides the one indicated by the author. Stepanov. Tsvetkov. The destroyer Novik. Zabolotsky, Levitsky; The first Noviks of the Black Sea Fleet.
  9. potapych
    potapych 12 July 2016 12: 03
    +4
    These ships are part of the history of our country, in difficult times they honorably fulfilled their mission.
    Only they don’t have a monument - sadness.
  10. oreh72
    oreh72 12 July 2016 16: 28
    +2
    Good article, thanks!
  11. Gomel
    Gomel 12 July 2016 17: 31
    +1
    and later was put as a floating pier in the Belushya Bay


    Photos by Google and Yandex: Coordinates: 71 ° 32′26 ″ p. sh. 52 ° 20′11 ″ c. there is no similar ship (long 100-110 m)

    although if you climb north along the inhabited coast, you can find an unidentified skeleton of a flooded ship with a visible long 66-70 m.
    1. Gomel
      Gomel 12 July 2016 17: 39
      +2
      He or not he? superstructure vaguely reminiscent of Noviki
      1. Gomel
        Gomel 12 July 2016 17: 43
        +1
        Another candidate
  12. xomaNN
    xomaNN 12 July 2016 18: 19
    +2
    Thanks to the author for the article!
    Throwing the historic bridge: in those 20s, the creation of the Navy under incomparably more difficult conditions was going on than now fool So, compress now, create a new fleet?
  13. Snakebyte
    Snakebyte 12 July 2016 21: 06
    +4
    Quote: AK64
    And his promoted and "colleague in the box" Kolchak was noted only by persistent sabotage of the landing in the Bosphorus.

    That is, in the Arctic in 1903, Kolchak did not freeze, participating in polar research? And the St. George’s weapon was received not for the command of the destroyer (which he transferred from the cruiser of his own free will) in a lost war (which he also transferred from the Academy of Sciences voluntarily), but for the English patronage? And did not advance the creation of the Naval General Staff in 1906? And didn’t you develop plans for the production of minefields in the Baltic, which caused the Germans many problems? And he was not the first to use salvo torpedo fire?
    And much has been done well as commander of the Black Sea Fleet (enemy submarines were driven into bases, the Turkish fleet practically lost the opportunity to enter the Black Sea, and attacks on the Russian coast were stopped). Including an alternative plan for the Bosphorus operation, which was approved, deadlines were set, troops were being prepared (well, right after all, 100% sabotage), the revolution canceled everything.
    Kolchak may have been a useless Supreme ruler, but he was one of the best admiral.
    1. AK64
      AK64 12 July 2016 21: 43
      -3
      Oh you Goshshpadi ....

      And what was he doing? He didn’t feed homeless cats? Grandmothers did not translate across the road? No?

      There was such a harmless eccentric, two Zhereznvkh Cross had. Painted pictures. And he loved dogs very much. It is completely not clear why people still treat him so badly.
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 12 July 2016 23: 14
        +1
        Amused comment! But all the same, Kolchak as an officer was not bad, and the difference before 1907 and after is striking. What metamorphosis happened to him I do not know. If you have material why this happened, please share.
        1. AK64
          AK64 12 July 2016 23: 22
          -1
          Kolchak as an officer was not bad, and the difference before 1907 and after is striking. What metamorphosis happened to him

          September 1907, the Anglo-Russian agreement. That is what happened.

          The fact that this agreement is written on the web from above - so this is nonsense, this is exactly what intentionally opened for other countries. The main content there was secret. But in fact, this agreement meant a war with Germany.
  14. Snakebyte
    Snakebyte 13 July 2016 06: 50
    +1
    Quote: AK64
    But in fact, this agreement meant a war with Germany.

    The war with Germany meant the Franco-Russian agreement of 1892. To which the British joined, in 1904 agreeing with France, and in 1907 with Russia.
    1. AK64
      AK64 13 July 2016 07: 40
      -2
      The war with Germany meant the Franco-Russian agreement of 1892.

      The war in 92 began? Or maybe it even began in 1902?

      To which the British joined, in 1904 agreeing with France, and in 1907 with Russia.

      After the "agreement" with Russia, the war began for some reason. And 10 years have not passed.
      (Moreover, the first provocation was already in 1909)
  15. Snakebyte
    Snakebyte 14 July 2016 07: 10
    0
    Quote: AK64
    The war in 92 began? Or maybe it even began in 1902?

    It almost started in 1905.
    Quote: AK64
    After the "agreement" with Russia, the war began for some reason. And 10 years have not passed.
    (Moreover, the first provocation was already in 1909)

    That is, you want to say that the British, concluding an agreement with Russia in 1907, already knew that the war would begin in 1914? Or even they themselves decided to start the war in 1914 and pushed everyone?
    1. altman
      altman 16 July 2016 16: 14
      0
      He didn’t decide anything, a man of alternative history has read and repeats