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Caribbean script. Part 2

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After the launch of the ICBM, the Soviet Far aviation. Thanks to dispersal at alternate aerodromes, most of the Tu-95, 3M, M-4, Tu-16 bombers and obsolete Tu-4 piston bombers survived. After ICBM attacks and the first attack of American bombers, more than 500 long-range vehicles remained in the Soviet Air Force, but only 150 aircraft could reach US territory and return. For 40 Tu-95K missile carriers, about a hundred X-20 supersonic cruise missiles were ready.

The first were jet Tu-16А, which did not have an intercontinental range, but could not be better suited for the bombing of American facilities in Europe, Asia and Alaska. NATO air defense in Europe after the nuclear missile strikes had gaps, so the loss of the bombers were relatively small. Only RAF pilots have fierce resistance. The batteries of the “Bloodhound” and “Thunderbird” anti-aircraft complexes, whose positions were located in the vicinity of British air bases, for the most part were destroyed or damaged by electromagnetic pulses from nuclear explosions, while the “friend-foe” radar system completely failed. For this reason, British interceptors were forced to produce visual target identification to prevent the destruction of American and British bombers returning after a raid on the USSR. The air defense of the British Isles is hacked after several launches of K-10C cruise missiles with nuclear warheads on interceptor airfields and surviving radars. After that, the Tu-16 under cover of noise breaks at a low altitude to the naval bases and the surviving airfields. Shipyards, aircraft manufacturers and major cities are also becoming radioactive debris.

The losses of Tu-16 bombers operating over Germany turn out to be less than those of aviation regiments that strike in England, and do not exceed 20% of the number of aircraft participating in combat sorties. After a series of nuclear strikes by Soviet BRSD, OTR and KR, the air defense of these countries is disorganized. The target for Soviet bombers is a large US land force in the area of ​​Grafenvör, Illesheim and Büchel airbases. The opposition of the Tu-16 in the Federal Republic of Germany is attempted by only individual Nike-Hercules batteries, and the French are throwing into battle the MD.454 “Mr. IV” and deployed in Germany and F-100 “Supersabyr” fighters. Much of the tactical aviation of the occupying forces in the FRG has survived, but the Americans and the British are still not in a hurry to use the fighters hidden in concrete shelters, and the control of the West German Luftwaffe has been lost. In addition, the level of radiation at many airbases subjected to nuclear strikes, prevents the restoration work.

Two squadrons of Tu-16 rising from the airfield of Mozdok are heading towards Turkey, their goal is Istanbul, Ankara and the American air base Injirlik, where American strategic bombers sit down for refueling. However, they suffer great losses. Istanbul is covered with four Nike-Hercules batteries, and on the way to Ankara and the Injirlik Tu-16 airbase they are met by the F-100 and F-104 fighters. By Ankara at low altitude, two bombers manage to break through, and the city perishes in the fire of nuclear explosions.

Caribbean script. Part 2

Survey radar DEW-line in Alaska


About fifty Tu-16 are attacking Alaska and northeastern Canada. Their goal is the so-called DEW-line - a network of radars interconnected by automated communication systems. Bombers Tu-16 trying to counteract interceptors F-102 and F-106. The Americans use MIM-14 Genie unguided air combat missiles with a nuclear warhead W25 with 1,5 kt power and a launch range of 10 km. Undermining the warhead was carried out by a remote fuse, triggered immediately after the completion of the rocket engine. A warhead blast is guaranteed to destroy any aircraft within 500 radius. In addition to unguided nuclear missiles, aviation-controlled AIM-26 Falcon with nuclear warheads are also widely used. However, the Gini and the Falcons did a disservice: after the destruction of the first few links of the Soviet bombers, the interceptor radar and guidance stations were blinded, and the radio link was also disrupted, and the effectiveness of the fighter aviation dropped sharply.


The layout of the elements of the DEW-line


As a result, the goal has been achieved, the Soviet first-wave bomber manages to disrupt the performance of the US-Canadian air defense system. As a result of nuclear explosions over Dutch Harbor and Anchorage, key radars and communication lines were disabled.

Important US facilities in Japan and South Korea are being bombarded by nuclear weapons. Soon, the DPRK troops are moving 38 parallel and are beginning to move towards Seoul. Taking advantage of the fact that the Americans can no longer protect their ally, the PLA forces are hastily preparing to capture Formosa. The Chinese H-5 (IL-28) and H-6 (Tu-16) bombers are bombing objects in Taiwan. Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek, realizing that he alone will not be able to restrain the landing of the communist Chinese troops on the island, appeals for help to the United States. The Americans send several deck A-3, which destroy the coastal airfields of the PLA Air Force with nuclear bombs. After that, Mao Zedong has no choice, and he joins the USSR in hostilities against the United States. As a result, the multimillion Chinese army once again gets involved in the war on the Korean Peninsula, and several Tu-4 piston bombers are trying to bomb the forward Clark Air Force Base in the Philippines and Singapore. Planes approaching the Philippines were shot down by American fighters, and the raid on Singapore, where British and American warships are being repaired and replenished, is reflected by the fire on the RIM-2 "Terrier" and "Bloodhound." Mao Zedong demands from the Soviet leadership nuclear weapon, modern interceptors and anti-aircraft missile systems. But the Soviet leaders are clearly not in a position to assist the PRC. The nuclear conflict is in full swing, and the Chinese receive only assurances that assistance will be provided as soon as possible.


Soviet long-range bomber 3M


Following the Tu-16, Soviet "strategists" take to the air. In the first wave, the Tu-95K missile carriers, armed with X-20 supersonic missiles with a launch range of 600 km, go along the shortest path across the polar latitudes to the North American continent. The X-20 rocket developed speed up to 2M, carried a thermonuclear warhead with a power of 0,8-3 Mt and was intended for the destruction of large area targets. However, at the first stage, the X-20 were aimed not at cities, but at airfields of interceptors and famous control centers of the US air defense system. Such tactics have largely borne fruit. Losses among the missile carriers TU-36K that participated in the first 95 raid did not exceed 25%. American interceptors managed to shoot down only 16 cruise missiles, one more missile fell due to technical problems, and as a result, the target hit 19 thermonuclear X-20. The breakthrough of the Soviet missile-carriers is facilitated by the fact that the Greenland airbase at Thule, where the F-102 332 interceptor squadron was based, was neutralized by the Р-13 missile launched from the Soviet diesel-electric submarine Ave. 629.


Mike-14 Nike-Hercules anti-aircraft missiles


In the second wave, the United States and Canada attacked the Tu-95, 3M, and M-4 bombers, carrying mostly free-falling thermonuclear bombs. In 1962, the air defense of the North American continent, along with the F-89, F-101, F-102, and F-106 interceptor fighters, was made up of the NIM-3 NIMX, NIMX-14 Nike-Hercules and the CIM unmanned interceptors CIM-10, and the CIM unmanned interceptors CIM-100 and Nike-Hercules unmanned interceptors "Bomark". The Canadian and US air defense systems were considered the most powerful in the world, but they could not prevent the destruction of American cities in the heat of thermonuclear explosions. Practically 2% of the Nike-Hercules anti-aircraft missiles and the Bomark long-range unmanned interceptors were equipped with nuclear power from 40 to XNUMX kt.


Position layout of Nike air defense missile system


American generals believed that this would increase efficiency against group targets in difficult interference conditions. However, just as in the case of the Gini and Falcon aircraft missiles, after the aerial nuclear explosions, extensive “dead zones” were formed that were inaccessible for viewing by radar. Powerful electromagnetic pulses had the most negative impact on the performance of surveillance radars and communication lines. As a result of strikes with cruise missiles and the effects of dozens of nuclear explosions of combat units of their own aviation and anti-aircraft missiles, the effectiveness of air defense decreased to a critical level and more than half of the Soviet bombers, operating mainly in triples, managed to hit the intended targets.


Location scheme launchers "Bomark"


Absolutely not justified hopes pinned on him costly unmanned interceptor "Bemark." Launchers of this complex, administered by the US Air Force, were located in the northwestern United States and in Canada, in the way of the most probable breakthrough of the Soviet bombers. The interception range of this complex reached 800 km. For targeting an unmanned interceptor with a nuclear warhead flying on a marching segment at 3M speed, the global interceptor targeting SAGE was used.


Long-distance unmanned interceptors CIM-10 "Bomark" on launch tables


According to the information received from the NORAD radar, the SAGE system automatically processed the data of the locators, and transmitted them to the relay stations via cables laid underground, near which the unmanned interceptor flew at that moment. Depending on the maneuvers of the target, the direction of the interceptor’s flight in this area could change. The autopilot received data on the coordinates of the air target and corrected the direction of flight. When approaching the target at a distance of 20 km, the radar homing head was activated by a command from the ground. However, as a result of a nuclear attack, a significant part of the NORAD system radars and the whole SAGE interceptor automated guidance system was inoperable. Under these conditions, “Bomark” became practically useless. As a result of six launches of interceptors located in Canada, it was possible to destroy one of the first-wave Tu-95Ks and two X-20 cruise missiles.


DRLO EC-121 aircraft


The US Air Force Command is trying to restore the broken information field by sending to the lines of interception of three dozen DRLO EC-121 Warning Star aircraft. However, due to the confusion and disturbed channels of communication, several American DRLO aircraft were mistaken for Soviet bombers and shot down.

On the second or third day of the conflict, the intensity of the mutual exchange of nuclear strikes decreases. This is due to the depletion of ballistic missile stocks and a reduction in the number of long-range bombers as a result of losses. Most American missile boats have already been shot off, and the Soviet armed R-13 SLBMs with a range of 650 km, for the most part, have not yet reached the launch areas. As they arrive from the storage bases, the launch of the ICBMs continues. So, from the launch sites near Plesetsk at the Norfolk naval base and Patterson Air Base, where NORAD was headquartered, two P-7 were launched. As a result of the launch of four P-12 from the standpoint of the 178 rocket regiment based in the Caucasus in the suburb of Ordzhonikidze, along with 11 American bombers, the Turkish airbase Inzherlik and the port of Izmir were destroyed, where American combat ships went to replenish supplies. The launch of the BRSD in North Ossetia came as a surprise to the Americans, since the 178 th missile regiment was successfully disguised as an aviation training unit. Also, in terms of facilities in Turkey, from the standpoint of the 84 rocket regiment stationed in the Crimea, despite the fact that this area was attacked by the Jupiter detachment air regiment, it was possible to launch two P-5 missiles. A single rocket of the P-14 433 rocket regiment stationed in Ukraine destroyed Aviano's airbase in Italy.

American strategic aviation continued its raids, now mainly B-52 participated in nuclear bombardments. B-47 bombers suffered heavy casualties, and the surviving Stratodzhety operated mainly in the Eastern Bloc countries, moreover, as a result of attacks by Soviet MRBMs and Tu-16 jets on targets in Europe, most of their air bases were disabled. Ultrasonic B-58 demonstrated low technical reliability. Many "Hustler" crashed or failed to perform a combat mission due to malfunctioning avionics and engine failures. In the next few days, Stratofortress’s targets were Soviet facilities outside the Urals, in the Caucasus and in Central Asia.


B-47 Bomber


As a result of the failure of the guidance system of the American ICBM, the airfield near Poltava survived. After performing combat missions, a part of the Tu-16 redeployed to the aerodromes of dispersal and the M-4 and 3М strategists from Engels returned here. For a number of reasons, difficulties arose with the preparation for repeated combat sorties of bombers participating in strikes on the North American continent, and Soviet bombers took part in October sorties 29-30 of October. These were mainly Tu-19, which were in reserve; now the aircraft operate alone and in pairs.

After the entry of the PRC and the DPRK into the war, the American strategic aviation makes thermonuclear bombs the ruins of Beijing and Pyongyang, as well as a number of other Chinese and North Korean cities. Two C-75 air defense systems deployed near Beijing succeed in hitting two B-47 bombers, but after the bomber disguised by interference dropped a hydrogen bomb on the command center of the Chinese air defense system near Beijing, the American strategic aviation began to operate almost unhindered. The J-6 Chinese fighter jets managed to shoot down and seriously damage several returning bombers, but this no longer played any role. A fierce air battle between Chinese and Kuomintang fighters broke out over the Taiwan Strait. In combat, the MiG-15, MiG-17 and F-86F came together. More modern J-6 and F-100 sides were kept in reserve. Through the use of guided missiles air combat AIM-9 Sidewinder and the best training of pilots, the Taiwan Air Force managed to level out the numerical superiority of the PLA Air Force and prevent the conquest of superiority in the air.

In order to assist its ally, the US Navy command sent the cruiser “Los Angeles” (CA-135) to the coast of China, which launched two cruise missiles “Regulus” with W27 megaton warheads on Chinese coastal targets. After China was subjected to another series of nuclear strikes, Mao Zedong once again appealed to Khrushchev for help. The outbreak of war with the United States smoothed the ideological differences that had arisen by that time, and the Soviet leadership found it possible to transfer to the Chinese 36 fighter jets MiG-15bis, 24 jet bomber IL-28, 30 outdated Tu-4 piston bombers. To protect the coast, two battalions of the Sopka coastal missile systems were delivered. This assistance could be considered symbolic, especially since the C-75 air defense system, which the Chinese urgently needed, was not delivered, if not for one circumstance. Together with the Il-28 jet bombers in the PRC, they sent 6 tactical atomic bombs RDS-10. Aircraft with nuclear weapons ruled by Soviet crews, the maintenance of bombs and preparation for use carried out by Soviet experts. In addition, October 30 flew to the south-east of the PRC a combined regiment of bombers and missile carriers Tu-16 flew. These aircraft, controlled by Soviet pilots, received orders from the USSR and did not obey the Chinese command.

In the evening of October 30, after the MiG-17, J-5 and J-6 fighters linked up the Taiwanese Super Saybry, the Il-28 bombers dropped two atomic bombs on Taiwan. The next morning, the landing operation of the Chinese troops on Formosa began, and three days later the resistance of the Kuomintang troops was broken. Closer to midnight, the Soviet Tu-16A and Tu-16K-10, taking off from the hop-and-shoot airfield on Hainan Island, finally destroyed the already partially destroyed American bases Clark and Subic Bay in the Philippines. The first to go were the rocket carriers, which, by launching air-launched cruise missiles, the DAC-2 with megaton warheads, neutralized American air defense in the area.

Продолжение следует ...

Based on:
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//alternathistory.com/karibskii-armageddon-chast-i
//alternathistory.com/sootnoshenie-yadernykh-sil-ovd-nato-na-moment-karibskogo-krizisa
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  1. ICT
    ICT 11 July 2016 06: 54
    +7
    maybe I’ll get ahead of myself, but the question is,

    how many have already rushed, in MT? did the sun hide in dust?

    the opinion was so simple that it seemed like a full exchange of blows might not lead to weather changes, but now the second part and I want to shout
    1. Bongo
      11 July 2016 07: 32
      +13
      Quote: TIT
      maybe I’ll get ahead of myself, but the question is,

      how many have already rushed, in MT? did the sun hide in dust?

      the opinion was so simple that it seemed like a full exchange of blows might not lead to weather changes, but now the second part and I want to shout


      In fact, the amount of dust and soot raised in the 1962 year as a result of nuclear explosions would be relatively small and would not lead to tangible climatic consequences. So during the eruption of the Tambora volcano in 1815, the atmosphere was selected - 450 million tons of ash / dust (150 cubic km) and this did not have a global impact on the climate.

      The radiation background on the planet would certainly grow. Large areas in Europe, the United States, the Korean Peninsula, and Japan would become unsuitable for long-term residence. But humanity would not disappear.

      People without any consequences live for centuries in territories where the natural background exceeds standards hundreds of times. For example, in France, the background in some places is up to 200 md / h, in India (Kerala and Tamil Nadu) - to 320 md / h, in Brazil on the beaches of the states of Rio de Janeiro and Espiritu Santo it ranges from 100 to 1000 md / h (on the beaches of the resort town of Guarapari - 2000 md / h). In the Iranian resort Ramsar, the average background is 3000, and the maximum is 5000 μR / h, while its main source is radon - which suggests a massive influx of this radioactive gas into the body.
      1. razmik72
        razmik72 11 July 2016 10: 54
        +1
        And as the respected author sees the hypothetical scenario of nuclear war-2016. I once wrote in VO that in Russia, dense urban development and when only two dozen, no more nuclear attacks are carried out, will lead to the disappearance of Russia as a single centralized state.
        1. Bongo
          11 July 2016 11: 17
          +7
          Quote: razmik72
          And as the respected author sees the hypothetical scenario of nuclear war-2016. I once wrote in VO that in Russia, dense urban development and when only two dozen, no more nuclear attacks are carried out, will lead to the disappearance of Russia as a single centralized state.

          When applying two dozen will not No. However, it is unlikely that today the matter will be limited to the exchange of two dozen ICBMs. No. In response to overseas "partners" nuclear weapons will be used without restrictions. The PRC is another matter. In the event of aggression from China, we will have to use TNW on our territory, so as not to provoke a full-scale conflict.
          Read this, maybe you and other readers will be interested:Nuclear era
          1. razmik72
            razmik72 11 July 2016 12: 55
            0
            Dear Sergey, I’ve been trying to answer you twice already, but the automatic censor (the first time I encounter this) doesn’t miss my comment, I see it as being close to the truth smile So I can’t answer you, I can only say that the USA is not so densely urban (one-story America) and strikes of a similar number of bombs will not be critical for the USA.
            1. Bongo
              11 July 2016 13: 07
              +5
              Quote: razmik72
              Dear Sergey, I’ve already tried twice to answer you, but the automatic censor (the first time I encounter this) doesn’t miss my comment, I see it as close to the truth. So I can’t answer you, I can only say that the USA is not such a dense city (one-story America) and striking a similar number of bombs will not be critical for the United States.

              Dear Mher, it is unlikely that in a full-scale conflict, the matter will be limited to two dozen warheads. In addition to "one-story America" ​​in the United States there are quite a few megacities. According to American data, a missile salvo of the SSBN pr.667BRDM is capable of killing up to 6 million Americans. In addition to cities, among the priority targets are strategic aviation airfields, SSBN base stations, command posts, etc.
            2. Svidetel 45
              Svidetel 45 11 July 2016 13: 55
              +7
              To continue the war, even a nuclear one, it is not the density of urban development that plays a role, but in large American cities it is no less than the timely dispersal of forces and assets to as large spaces as possible, including the strike forces themselves, as well as command and communications posts, but in terms of the presence of large territories, Russia has an advantage. In the threatened period, we have the opportunity to disperse and maneuver these forces, and not drive them into dense urban buildings.
        2. Bumble
          Bumble 11 July 2016 21: 34
          +1
          I read somewhere that 19 nuclear explosions are needed to destroy Britain as a state, about 40 for France, 250 for the USA, 500 for Russia. The Soviet system implied a very strong "dilution" of population and industry across the territory, in contrast to the West, where industrial centers are represented by dozens and possibly even hundreds of industries.
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 11 July 2016 11: 41
        +3
        Quote: Bongo
        Actually

        I repeat ...
        It makes sense to post material on the VO forum for a more thorough discussion. From time to time, adjusting by the author.

        It is advisable to involve as many people "involved" in tnm events as possible.
        At one time, such discussions were held on Rusarmz forums (unfortunately, a huge part of the discussion and links were lost).

        It is desirable to involve those interested "from the other side". For instance - Martin trolle
        https://www.flickr.com/photos/martintrolle/sets/72157621696357587/
    2. Leto
      Leto 11 July 2016 08: 01
      +6
      Quote: TIT
      how many have already rushed, in MT?

      Sergei tactfully bypassed the issue of damage inflicted by American ballistic missiles to the USSR's infrastructure and control system. Judging by the way the domestic aviation inflicts airstrikes deep into the North American continent, more than 300 nuclear warheads of various capacities did not cause any harm, neither to the means of communication, nor to the armed forces of the USSR ... This is in the complete absence in 1962. "Missile attack warning systems".
      After the launch of the ICBM, Soviet Long-Range Aviation was deployed. Thanks to dispersal at alternate aerodromes, most of the Tu-95, 3M, M-4, Tu-16 bombers and outdated piston Tu-4s survived.

      I wonder what kind of "spare"? The Americans were more than familiar with the locations of the strategists, and Priluki and Semipalatinsk with Engels would have received their megatons from the full, like Mozdok from which the author writes:
      Two Tu-16 squadrons rising from Mozdok airport are heading towards Turkey

      In the place of Mozdok there would be only ruins, and all "two squadrons" of Tu-16 would have been burned up in atomic fire.
      PS: Sergey, does the EM pulse from an air nuclear explosion act selectively? Well, you describe how he cuts down the electronics from the adversary, and again, more than 300 ICBMs cannot do this over the USSR and hypothetical strategists take off freely, everything is OK with the navigation, the devices work fine, and the USSR’s air defense systems work perfectly ...
      1. Bongo
        11 July 2016 08: 16
        +6
        Quote: Leto
        Sergei tactfully bypassed the issue of damage inflicted by American ballistic missiles to the USSR's infrastructure and control system. Judging by the way the domestic aviation inflicts airstrikes deep into the North American continent, more than 300 nuclear warheads of various capacities did not cause any harm, neither to the means of communication, nor to the armed forces of the USSR ... This is in the complete absence in 1962. "Missile attack warning systems".

        Good afternoon, Ivan!
        Thanks for the constructive criticism!
        The armed forces existed and there is a system of opening. This is especially true for strategic nuclear forces. After receiving a combat mission, for example, the DA regiment does not need continuous control. about any harm, you got excited, or you didn’t read the 1 part too carefully.
        Quote: Leto
        I wonder what kind of "spare"?

        I will not reveal a big secret, but during the "threatened period" most of the combat aircraft, including the DA, will be relocated to alternate airfields, mainly civilian lanes of which there were quite a few in the USSR.
        Quote: Leto
        In the place of Mozdok there would be only ruins, and all "two squadrons" of Tu-16 would have been burned up in atomic fire.

        Do not forget that no weapon is as reliable as possible, especially in the 1962 year, when there were not so many warheads. In this case, I proceed from the fact that if the first Soviet strike destroyed most of the American infantry infantry regiment, many Soviet strategic targets could survive.
        Quote: Leto
        Well, you describe how he cuts down the electronics from the adversary, and again, more than 300 ICBMs can’t do this over the USSR and hypothetical strategists take off freely, everything is OK with the navigation, the devices work fine, and the USSR’s air defense systems work perfectly ...

        I will answer with a quote from the first part:
        The breakthrough of American bombers is also facilitated by the ionization of the atmosphere after numerous nuclear explosions, the surviving Soviet ground radars often because of interference simply did not see air targets.

        In addition, at the end of the 50's in the United States, semiconductor technology was already widely used in military equipment, and it is known that it is much more vulnerable to electromagnetic pulses compared to lamp pulses.
        1. Leto
          Leto 11 July 2016 09: 31
          +2
          Quote: Bongo
          I will not reveal a big secret, but during the "threatened period" most of the combat aircraft, including the DA, will be relocated to alternate airfields, mainly civilian lanes of which there were quite a few in the USSR.

          In 1962? Now there are few airfields capable of receiving Tu-95 (incl. Civilian) and in 1962. and even more so. Well, let's say you can overtake the Tu-95 and M-4, but how to overtake the infrastructure, means of verification, tankers, stock crowds? What about atomic bombs? And the means of storing them? These are not ordinary FABs ... Note that ALL large cities were subject to destruction, and the airfields (civilian) on which the strategists could be based were only with them.
          The Americans declassified the war plan only in 1956. and on it
          The plan itself and the two lists attached to it were compiled by the United States Strategic Aviation Command (SAC) in 1956: each list has more than a thousand targets. The first includes military airfields, in the second - other facilities, including factories, industrial complexes and entire cities, subject to "systematic destruction".

          It is clear that at that time the ICBMs were only in the development and in the list of goals they were not, but in 1962. they clearly appeared there as priority along with airfields.

          Quote: Bongo
          Do not forget that no weapon is as reliable as possible, especially in 1962, when there were not so many warheads.

          The Americans were already approaching a thousand. Regarding reliability ... For example, many American decommissioned ICBMs have been used successfully for relatively peaceful purposes.

          Quote: Bongo
          In this case, I proceed from the fact that if the first Soviet strike destroyed most of the American infantry infantry regiment, many Soviet strategic targets could survive.

          You described a strike on the American infantry-fighting ballistic regiments in Europe and Turkey and a retaliatory strike from the American SSBNs, but the use of SSBNs unambiguously (GUARANTEED!) Means participation in this concert of ICBMs located in the USA and subsequent air strikes against the USSR.
          In this case, the probability of "surviving" is rather low. And given the fact that Penkovsky handed over all strategic objects, the probability of this is minimal.
          Those. After a series of attacks from SSBNs and the territory of the United States, no organized military operations by Soviet aircraft would have been possible.
          1. Falcon
            Falcon 11 July 2016 11: 13
            +7
            Quote: Leto
            In 1962? Now there are few airfields capable of receiving Tu-95 (incl. Civilian) and in 1962. and even more so. Well, let's say you can overtake the Tu-95 and M-4


            That's about the airfields capable of receiving strategists (purely on the runway filtered)

            Quote: Leto
            but how to overtake the infrastructure, means of verification, tankers, stock of the crowd? What about atomic bombs? And the means of storing them?


            Well, there is fuel at every airport, and storage and delivery infrastructure. The stock of bombs was immediately loaded and gone + a few en-12 to catch up.
            Checks all aboard engineers (the smartest crew member smile
            ) The safety of such a departure is the last thing you would have to think about. Since in a couple of minutes it may already have no where to fly from.
            1. Bongo
              11 July 2016 12: 02
              +5
              Quote: Falcon
              The stock of bombs was immediately loaded and gone + a few en-12 to catch up.

              With An-12 Cyril, you got excited, there were none back in 1962. As transporters, IL-12, IL-14 and piston Tu-4 would be used.
              1. Rus2012
                Rus2012 11 July 2016 12: 11
                +5
                Quote: Bongo
                With An-12 Cyril, you got excited, there were none back in 1962. As transporters, IL-12, IL-14 and piston Tu-4 would be used.

                ... by the way, according to Soviet laws and regulations - it was strictly forbidden to transport nuclear weapons by air. Only for its intended purpose, i.e. for a punch!
                1. Bongo
                  11 July 2016 12: 17
                  +5
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  ... by the way, according to Soviet laws and regulations - it was strictly forbidden to transport nuclear weapons by air. Only for its intended purpose, i.e. for a punch!

                  I know about it yesAlso in the USSR, unlike the United States, long-range bombers did not conduct patrols with nuclear weapons on board. But in wartime, this rule would hardly have been respected.
                  1. Rus2012
                    Rus2012 11 July 2016 12: 36
                    +3
                    Quote: Bongo
                    I know about it. But in wartime, this rule would hardly have been respected.

                    the task of transportation and provision is the work of 12GUMO. And they worked, i.e. provided according to the algorithm laid down: nuclear weapons where needed - it was already located where it was not - the carriers did not head there ...
              2. Amurets
                Amurets 11 July 2016 14: 02
                +5
                Quote: Bongo
                Quote: Falcon
                The stock of bombs was immediately loaded and gone + a few en-12 to catch up.

                With An-12 Cyril, you got excited, there were none back in 1962. As transporters, IL-12, IL-14 and piston Tu-4 would be used.

                Sergey! We've also forgotten the "Sarai" An-8. At that time they had already finished producing them, having released 151 cars.
            2. Leto
              Leto 11 July 2016 13: 24
              0
              Quote: Falcon
              That's about the airfields capable of receiving strategists (purely on the runway filtered)

              Can you swear (I don’t even know what is holy to you) that the objects you indicated existed in 1962 and had a runway capable of accepting Tu-95?

              PS: so the places of basing of the Tu-95 are known, they are much smaller than what you indicated. For 1962 there were even fewer.
              1. Falcon
                Falcon 11 July 2016 14: 18
                +5
                Quote: Leto
                Can you swear (I don’t even know what is holy to you) that the objects you indicated existed in 1962 and had a runway capable of accepting Tu-95?


                If only blood ...

                Quote: Leto
                PS: so the places of basing Tu-95 are known


                And here are the basing places when we talk about the places of DISTRIBUTION. They have in common - only runway length and coverage should be.
          2. Bongo
            11 July 2016 11: 20
            +4
            Quote: Leto
            In 1962? Now there are few airfields capable of receiving Tu-95 (incl. Civilian) and in 1962. and even more so. Well, let's say you can overtake the Tu-95 and M-4, but how to overtake the infrastructure,

            Therefore, the publication says:
            For a number of reasons, difficulties arose in preparing for the repeated sorties of the bombers participating in attacks on the North American continent, and 29 Soviet bombers took part in the sorties of 30-19 on October.
            Quote: Leto
            The Americans were already approaching a thousand. Regarding reliability ... For example, many American decommissioned ICBMs have been used successfully for relatively peaceful purposes.

            The number of carriers from the parties in the 1 part is indicated. In general, I recommend waiting for the 3 part. hi
            1. Rus2012
              Rus2012 11 July 2016 12: 02
              +5
              Quote: Bongo
              In 1962? Now there are few airfields capable of receiving Tu-95 (incl. Civilian) and in 1962. and even more so. Well, let's say you can overtake the Tu-95 and M-4, but how to overtake the infrastructure,
              Therefore, the publication says:

              ... ehhh, gentlemen, comrades ...
              Infrastructure for receiving and servicing DA (aerodromes "jump") was created in the era of Tu-4 laughing
              For example -
              Gudym (Anadyr-1, Magadan-11) is a former Soviet and Russian base.
              The missile carrier base at the Anadyr aerodrome and only a dozen km from the aerodrome is the storage base of the nuclear reactor and the military town of Anadyr-1, also known as the colloquial Gudym.

              The underground base (Object “C”) was built in the 1958 year, and in the 1961 year, she took up combat duty.

              The purpose of the facility is the storage and routine maintenance of nuclear weapons (nuclear warhead, nuclear warheads). He obeyed the 12 Main Directorate of the USSR Ministry of Defense.

              The object was an autonomous underground structure exactly 996 meters long, with many separate, deaf branches that had no other exits, it had full anti-nuclear protection (questionable, a lot of ventilation). Inside was divided into parts by access levels for personnel; transportation of goods was carried out by electric vehicles on a narrow gauge underground railway. There is 2 of the central entrance portal with multi-ton carriage doors.


              Dozens of such bases around the USSR were built ...
              1. Rus2012
                Rus2012 11 July 2016 13: 07
                +1
                Quote: Rus2012
                Such bases around the perimeter of the USSR were built by dozens ...


                BTW in the topic -
                The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reports that construction and restoration work is underway in the Arctic territories at ten airfields used for military needs.

                The Russian Ministry of Defense, over the past few years, has significantly strengthened its presence in the Far North, Far East and Siberia. Continental polar possessions of the country are progressing: housing infrastructure is developing, it will provide all necessary facilities for about 20 of thousands of department employees, along with families and civilians working at the department’s facilities.

                In 2016, the Ministry of Defense added, it is planned to deliver more than one hundred thousand tons of cargo to the Arctic latitudes. Which will be used for the construction of lighthouses, military units and infrastructure on the adjacent islands.
                Reconstruction of airfields, in particular, is carried out in the Murmansk region (Severomorsk - 1), on Alexandra Land Island, in the Arkhangelsk Region (Rogachevo), in Yakutia (Tiksi).

                In addition, documentation is being prepared for the reconstruction of the Murmansk Severomorsk-3, Nanyang-Mar in the Nenets Autonomous Okrug, Vorkuta in the Komi Republic and "Anadyr" on the Chukchi Peninsula.


                Those. "everything is back to normal ..."
            2. Leto
              Leto 11 July 2016 13: 22
              +3
              Quote: Bongo
              In general, I recommend to wait for the 3rd part.

              BUTHUT TANKS?
              1. Bongo
                11 July 2016 13: 23
                +4
                Quote: Leto
                BUTHUT TANKS?

                Very briefly ...
          3. Operator
            Operator 11 July 2016 13: 25
            +3
            The author of the article was mistaken in the main thing - all the missile and aviation units of the USSR Armed Forces equipped with strategic and tactical nuclear weapons would have acted after a preventive American attack on the FGMS ahead of the curve according to a previously approved plan and goals.

            A notification of an attack would have passed through radio channels and wired communications that have not yet been disabled.

            Ballistic missiles of short, medium and intercontinental range, on alert, would leave their starting positions within 5-30 minutes. Bombers (Tupolev, Myasishev, Ilyushin) would take off from airfields of permanent and temporary base for 15-30 minutes.

            Destroy the media was possible only in this time interval. However, the US plan provided exclusively for an attack on the SSAC in order to localize the military conflict. Therefore, all the nuclear forces of the USSR would have fired without losses at predetermined targets (with the exception, of course, of bomber aircraft, which had yet to break through air defense).

            I emphasize that the American attack on Cuba was planned to be carried out with conventional weapons until the first nuclear strike from the surviving ballistic missiles, cruise missiles or bombers that Pliev had at his disposal.

            And this gives a head start in 30 minutes for the Soviet nuclear forces deployed on the territory of the USSR and Eastern Europe, for launch and take-off. So by the time of the return launch of American missiles, all the missile and air bases of the USSR would be completely empty of words.
            1. Rus2012
              Rus2012 11 July 2016 13: 37
              +6
              Quote: Operator
              I emphasize - the American attack on Cuba was planned to be carried out exclusively by conventional weapons until the first nuclear strike from the surviving ballistic missiles, cruise missiles or bombers that Pliev had at his disposal.

              And this gives a head start in 30 minutes for Soviet nuclear forces deployed on the territory of the USSR and Eastern Europe (for launch and take-off). So by the time the American missiles were launched, all the missile and air bases of the USSR would be completely empty of words.

              ... the Yankees did NOT EXPECT AND WERE NOT READY to receive the YaBCH from Cuba on their territory, their military was too frivolously preparing for the invasion of Cuba:
              - did not know the actual number of l / s of Soviet aircraft on the island and their capabilities.
              - did not know the deployment of the RSD on the island
              - did not know about the presence of Soviet nuclear weapons on the island

              Moreover, the possibilities of their Air Force in air wars are clearly known - these are the Korean and Vietnam wars.
              It was a complete adventure on their part. Only D. Kennedy and part of their establishment remained relatively realistic. This saved them ...
              1. Operator
                Operator 11 July 2016 14: 11
                +2
                I disagree: the escalation of a conventional military conflict (beginning - the introduction of a military blockade of Cuba) into a nuclear military conflict (after Pliev's nuclear strike in response to the American invasion of Cuba) was prevented exclusively by American government analysts ("couch strategists").

                They reported to the President of the United States a negative outlook on the outcome of World War III (unacceptable loss of US civilian population, loss of Western Europe, the Middle East and Southeast Asia).

                On the basis of which the president broke off the enthusiasts of the invasion of Cuba from the Committee of Chiefs of Staff and reconciled with the USSR on mutually beneficial conditions.
              2. DimerVladimer
                DimerVladimer 11 July 2016 16: 00
                +1
                Quote: Rus2012
                the Yankees did NOT EXPECT AND WERE NOT READY to receive the YaBCh from Cuba on their territory, their military was too carelessly preparing for the invasion of Cuba:
                - did not know the actual number of l / s of Soviet aircraft on the island and their capabilities.
                - did not know the deployment of the RSD on the island
                - did not know about the presence of Soviet nuclear weapons on the island


                this ignorance of history
                Since the announcement of the maximum level of threat - B-52 strategists have been on duty in the air, that is, they could not be hit at airfields.
                The fleet was not in the bases - more than 180 ships carried out the blockade of Cuba.
                1. Rus2012
                  Rus2012 11 July 2016 16: 11
                  +2
                  Quote: DimerVladimer
                  Since the announcement of the maximum threat level - B-52 strategists have been on air duty

                  ... which strategists were on duty in the air? Where and with what weapons?
                  And what is the "maximum threat" and when was it announced?

                  PS: the Yankees were "just" going to storm Cuba where "nuclear weapons were not deployed in readiness", no?
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 11 July 2016 22: 17
          -2
          Explosion of a 9 megaton hydrogen bomb against a background of flying airplanes — EMR is not working, airplanes are flying, cameras are working —https: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = s6PGZ4yiJqY
          1. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer 12 July 2016 10: 57
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            Explosion of a 9 megaton hydrogen bomb against a background of flying airplanes — EMR is not working, airplanes are flying, cameras are working —https: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = s6PGZ4yiJqY


            That is, in your opinion - strategic bombers - nuclear weapons carriers immediately after the dumping of nuclear weapons, manage to get away from electromagnetic radiation or fall like a stone?

            An TNW explosion should occur in the immediate vicinity of a bomber (10-12 km) in order to damage the carrier.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 12 July 2016 21: 18
              -1
              No, I mean the fact that EMR does not work on technology, that is, it will not bring significant damage to electronics.
      2. Kurasava
        Kurasava 11 July 2016 09: 04
        +2
        The Americans did not even really know what was happening under their nose in Cuba, and even that they knew EVERYTHING about our airfields, spare bases and camouflaged shelves was just nonsense. Oh, these omnipotent Americans are all knowledgeable and not defeated hehe. SW The author thanks you for the story, everything is very sensible not without imagination, without which in such a case no matter how)) I look forward to continuing ..... the intrigue delays whether our comrades will win and how things work out. Sincerely, Akira.
        1. Leto
          Leto 11 July 2016 09: 33
          +2
          Quote: Kurasava
          The Americans did not even really know what was going on under their nose in Cuba

          Where do you get such people ... How do you think the "Cuban missile crisis" began?

          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 11 July 2016 11: 02
            +3
            Quote: Leto
            Where do you get such people ... How do you think the "Cuban missile crisis" began?

            ... but where do you get these? laughing
            Compare -


            Yankee Assumptions

            actual location
            Are there any differences?

            From the obvious facts -
            In the 1962 year, the USA considered that in Cuba the USSR Armed Forces no more than 10tys., In fact - the number of l / s of SA exceeded 45tys.
            Besides -
            recalls the former chief of the Main Staff of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel General Viktor ESIN, while the calculation of the missile regiment in Cuba -
            - In addition to the 51 missile division, tactical nuclear weapons were delivered to the island of Cuba:
            80 nuclear warheads for front-line cruise missiles FKR1, 6 atomic bombs for
            bombers Il28 and 6 nuclear warheads for tactical missiles "Moon". In addition, on each of the four diesel submarines of the 641 project, which overcame the frontiers of the American anti-submarine defense in the Bahamas region on October 23, there was one torpedo with a nuclear warhead as part of the ammunition.

            It should be noted that Americans only knew about the availability of tactical nuclear weapons in the Group of Soviet Troops in Cuba in the 1992 year, when an international conference was held in Havana on the events of October 1962.


            So, the material given in the 1 part is even required to be processed in the direction of toughening the degree of CATASTROPHE received by the USA from aggression in Cuba -
            ... in my opinion (and a number of missile-veterans of the Strategic Missile Forces) as a whole, by the early morning of October 30 (October 27, the day D.Kenedi made the decision to air strike in Cuba + 2 days, after which the strike should take place ) - the United States would unexpectedly take about 15 45 units of forced Soviet preventive strikes: 10-12 P-12 from Cuba (within half an hour from the moment the Yankee Air Force invaded the airspace), 4 P-7, up to 30 - P -16 (within an hour after the first detonations of the HFG in the Western Hemisphere) ...

            Most of the current US establishment was not prepared for this turn of events.
            They assumed a different scenario: destroy / throw out 5 thousand. contingent (even in this they were wrong) with unprepared RSM of the USSR Armed Forces from Cuba. To use tactical nuclear weapons in Europe, in the event of the beginning of an "asymmetric" campaign of the Soviets to the shores of the Atlantic in response to the invasion of Cuba. Engage the announced ultimatum on the use of the suppressive SNC against the USSR in the event of further actions with their "imperfect" missiles. Those. escalating up stairs ...

            At least, it was necessary to realize what happened ... to calculate the losses and, taking this into account, to build further actions. For the colossal impact only on the mind, the preemptive strike of the Soviets, for the American nation it could turn out to be comparable with something - with a moral shock to the Soviet people at the beginning of the Second World War 1941, and for material and human losses - unacceptable for the continued existence of the country ...
            1. Rus2012
              Rus2012 11 July 2016 11: 16
              +5
              Quote: Rus2012
              So, the material given in the 1 part is even required to be processed in the direction of toughening the degree of CATASTROPHE received by the USA from aggression in Cuba


              I deliberately did not consider what would happen to Europe and the number of strikes the USSR received at this first stage.

              Purely theoretically, from the moment the USSR ICBMs were launched, about 400-500 RSDs were to be launched at targets in Europe, Asia, and Alaska. And a certain number of the "first wave" of DA crews (on duty in the "pit") from the jump airfields, dispersed in a timely manner in the "special period" of early-mid October. They, of course, "came to the scene" after the strikes of the ICBM-RSD, which cleared the sky from the air defense ...

              As for the "retaliatory strikes" of the US Armed Forces, it would depend heavily on the effectiveness of Soviet ICBM-RSD strikes. The P-7 would have hit the "squares": New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Texas. R-16 - for more or less smaller, but more dangerous targets: command post and control centers, SNS bases ... R-12 from Cuba - within reach, for primary targets to be destroyed first ...

              As a result, in general, it turns out that the United States in the course of the "Cuban missile crisis" - followed the events behind one step. The Soviets - went according to the laid down plans of deployment, switching to iron wartime algorithms - in a clash of interests with US policy.

              The USA - knew little about the state of real things on the island, trying to counter them with actions tested during the 2 World War II - massive air attacks in dense formation. The effectiveness of such actions can be judged by the realities of the Korean and Vietnam wars ...

              The decisive factor in this situation was that the USSR was forced to deliver "PREVENTIVE STRIKES". And most importantly, the USSR Armed Forces were ready and able to do this.
              1. Leto
                Leto 11 July 2016 11: 26
                +2
                Quote: Rus2012
                The P-7 would have hit the "squares": New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Texas. R-16 - for more or less smaller, but more dangerous targets: command post and control units, SNS bases ...

                Please indicate the funds ready to strike the blow described to you. The number of launch sites ready to launch ICBMs. The USSR is meant.

                Quote: Rus2012
                As for the "retaliatory strikes" of the US Armed Forces, it would depend heavily on the effectiveness of Soviet ICBM-RSD strikes.

                The U.S. has begun deploying an SPN in 1960. putting on combat duty radar AN / FPS-49 in Alaska and the UK. Therefore, the retaliatory strike did not depend on the effectiveness of Soviet missiles.
                1. Rus2012
                  Rus2012 11 July 2016 12: 14
                  0
                  Quote: Leto
                  Please indicate the funds ready to strike the blow described to you. The number of launch sites ready to launch ICBMs. The USSR is meant.

                  good lord ...
                  I advise you to read all the comments (including mine) to the first part of this material. There, in detail, the numbers show the number of combat-ready RSD-ICBMs ...

                  If laziness, at least remember this -

                  Recalls the former chief of the Main Staff of the Strategic Missile Forces, retired Colonel General Viktor ESIN:
                  The United States exceeded the Soviet Union in intercontinental ballistic missiles by 3,1 times (in the USA - 151 unit, the USSR - 48), for medium-range ballistic missiles, reaching each other's territory, - in 2,9 times (in the USA in Turkey, Italy and Great Britain - 105 units, in the USSR on the island of Cuba - 36), for strategic bombers - almost 3 times (in the USA - 615 units, in the USSR - 208 units). Only on ballistic missiles on
                  submarines had approximate equality: the USA had 96 units, the USSR had 80.
                  1. Leto
                    Leto 11 July 2016 13: 41
                    0
                    Quote: Rus2012
                    The USA surpassed the Soviet Union in 3,1 times in intercontinental ballistic missiles (in the USA - 151 units, in the USSR - 48), in medium-range ballistic missiles reaching each other's territory - 2,9 times (in the USA in Turkey, Italy and the UK - 105 units, the USSR on the island of Cuba - 36)

                    Return to the history of the issue, namely the chronology of Sergei:
                    1. The United States erases all objects in Cuba into powder, so cross out those indicated by General 36 BRDS.
                    2. The Soviet Union strikes at strategic US facilities in Europe with its BMD, Sergei makes a footnote that not all facilities were destroyed, but this is rather debatable.
                    3. The USA strikes with the SLBM with SLBMs on the territory of the USSR, followed by US strategic air strikes (and not only as far as I understand) aviation in the USSR.

                    From the above, there are many controversial issues, for example, I believe that if the Americans had struck at the USSR, they would not have limited themselves to SLBMs. But not the point.

                    You believe that the USSR with 48 ICBMs could strike back. As I understand it, these 48 include 10 R-7 koi that could be launched with the availability of entire starting tables in Tyra Tam and Plesetsk. It is probably naive to believe that the Americans left these objects unattended? Did the Americans know about the R-16? Of course they knew, they knew the deployment sites, thanks to Penkovsky, would they leave them unattended? Of course not.

                    Well, let's say they were able to launch 30 R-16 ICBMs across the United States, how would this help?
                    1. Rus2012
                      Rus2012 11 July 2016 14: 08
                      +1
                      Quote: Leto
                      Return to the history of the issue, namely the chronology of Sergei:
                      1. The United States erases all objects in Cuba into powder, so cross out those indicated by General 36 BRDS.


                      To begin with, I am not an adherent of the "alternative history" as presented by the author, I am a realist and am sufficiently familiar with the state of the USSR Armed Forces in relation to 1962 from various sources.

                      Nevertheless, stated by the author S. Linnik, it can serve as a basis for reconstructing an alternative history of the Caribbean crisis through the eyes of participants and history buffs.
                      Why this basis can be placed in a public place and begin to constructively discuss with bringing known facts, figures, opinions of participants ...

                      The opinion of a number of veterans of the Strategic Missile Forces and mine, including, on the "Cuban missile crisis" is one -
                      a gamble with an invasion of the US Armed Forces - would lead to a preventive strike (within a maximum of an hour) - up to 15 RSD from Cuba. And it automatically launched (within the next hour) a preemptive strike to the 40 ICBMs (R-16, R-7) against the USA and an 400-500 RSD strike on the territories of the USA satellite countries from Europe to Asia ...

                      The fact that the USA WAS NOT READY for such a disaster for us is unambiguous ...

                      But to find out the question: HOW MUCH WHAT AND WHEN - taking into account what happened, they would have flown back to us, it makes sense to sort it out.
                      1. DimerVladimer
                        DimerVladimer 11 July 2016 15: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: Rus2012
                        The opinion of a number of veterans of the Strategic Missile Forces and mine, including, on the "Cuban missile crisis" is one -
                        a gamble with an invasion of the US Armed Forces - would lead to a preventive strike (within a maximum of an hour) - up to 15 RSD from Cuba. And it automatically launched (within the next hour) a preemptive strike to the 40 ICBMs (R-16, R-7) against the USA and an 400-500 RSD strike on the territories of the USA satellite countries from Europe to Asia ...


                        Unrealistic calculation - the first 3 sevens, who were on duty at the starts, had time to start - they would have time to refuel them.
                        And that’s all - they didn’t have time to install and refuel the remaining sevens.
                        SEMERA is a first strike weapon - a deterrence weapon aimed at the largest hostage cities in the United States. It was during the Caribbean crisis that they recouped their costs - because even 3 multi-million cities are already unacceptable damage.
                      2. Rus2012
                        Rus2012 11 July 2016 16: 15
                        +3
                        Quote: DimerVladimer
                        Unrealistic calculation

                        Man, you don’t know much!
                        By 27 night, on 28 - ALL P-7 AND P-16, all before the 40 MBR of the first strike, WERE WOULD BE FULL ATTENDANCE. P-16 - for example, in 10minute!
                        Like all RSDs throughout the USSR!
                      3. DimerVladimer
                        DimerVladimer 12 July 2016 11: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: Rus2012
                        Man, you don’t know much!
                        By 27 night, on 28 - ALL P-7 AND P-16, all before the 40 MBR of the first strike, WERE WOULD BE FULL ATTENDANCE. P-16 - for example, in 10minute!
                        Like all RSDs throughout the USSR!


                        Tell me, how can I prepare ALL R-7s for launch (roll out, install on the table, refuel) if there were only 3-4 working launching tables (including plesetsk)?
                        Or am I confusing something?
                      4. Rus2012
                        Rus2012 12 July 2016 11: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: DimerVladimer
                        Or am I confusing something?

                        ... they openly write to you - there were 7 launch stations for the R-5: 3 in the "north", two in the south (Tyuratam).
                        But, one on Tyuratam was busy with a "Martian" rocket, which, db. re-equip on a nuclear warhead, if the order to clear the alarm had not come earlier.
                        Therefore - really for the first launch were ready 4pcs. R-7, total-5pcs ...
                      5. DimerVladimer
                        DimerVladimer 12 July 2016 11: 46
                        +1
                        Quote: Rus2012
                        ... they openly write to you - there were 7 launch stations for the R-5: 3 in the "north", two in the south (Tyuratam).
                        But, one on Tyuratam was busy with a "Martian" rocket, which, db. re-equip on a nuclear warhead, if the order to clear the alarm had not come earlier.
                        Therefore, 4pcs. R-7, a total of 5 pieces, were really ready for the first launch.


                        + I admit that you are right.
                        And in the Plesetsk division of the Strategic Missile Forces, weren't all 4 starts at that time operational?
                  2. DimerVladimer
                    DimerVladimer 12 July 2016 11: 43
                    +1
                    Quote: Rus2012
                    Man, you don’t know much!
                    By 27 night, on 28 - ALL P-7 AND P-16, all before the 40 MBR of the first strike, WERE WOULD BE FULL ATTENDANCE. P-16 - for example, in 10minute!
                    Like all RSDs throughout the USSR!


                    with full combat readiness, it can be assumed that 4 P-7s from Plesetsk would have been and would have started in the first wave, and with some probability they could still have time to establish and put into combat readiness 2 more P-7s from Baikonurovsky launchers.
                    In total, a maximum of 6 pieces of R-7 (it is not known whether all 4 Plesetsk launchers were in working condition at that time).
                  3. Rus2012
                    Rus2012 12 July 2016 12: 39
                    +3
                    Quote: DimerVladimer
                    all 4 PU Plesetsk were in working condition at that time)

                    ... "Old" approves 3 P-7A at Plesetsk. Although there really were 4 substations for the R-7.

                    By the way, in Plesetsk they also carried 4 databases of R-16 ground launchers ... In Tyuratam there were 3 launchers, also ground at that time.
                  4. DimerVladimer
                    DimerVladimer 12 July 2016 15: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: Rus2012
                    . "Old" approves 3 P-7A at Plesetsk. Although there really were 4 substations for the R-7.

                    By the way, in Plesetsk they also carried 4 databases of R-16 ground launchers ... In Tyuratam there were 3 launchers, also ground at that time.


                    Thank you for the clarification on Plesetsk and the "Martian" rocket at Baikonur.
                    Your figure of 4-5 pieces of R-7 in the first wave is very believable.

                    There were doubts about the performance of all 4 launchers in Plesetsk by that time.
                  5. DimerVladimer
                    DimerVladimer 12 July 2016 16: 25
                    +1
                    Refueling rockets occurred immediately before launch. It was a complicated and lengthy procedure. At a norm of 170 tons, it was required to deliver 400 tons of liquid oxygen to the rocket. Cooled to extremely low temperatures, he, in contact with warm tanks, instantly boiled and evaporated. The total preparation time for the launch reached twelve o'clock. Readiness lasted no more than eight hours. After that, the fuel merged, and the rocket for some time turned into a metal product that was completely safe for the enemy.

                    On July 16, 1960, the launch station in Plesetsk independently made two combat training launches. These were the first starts, carried out without the help of designers.

                    The number of P-7 on duty at Plesetsk never exceeded four. Two launch complexes, if necessary, could launch combat missiles with nuclear warheads at Baikonur. In the mid-sixties, all "sevens" were removed from service and replaced by the R-7A missile.
                    http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/a-i-k/1998/4/pervov/mbr/mbr05.htm
        2. DimerVladimer
          DimerVladimer 11 July 2016 15: 14
          +1
          Quote: Leto
          You believe that the USSR with 48 ICBMs could strike back. As I understand it, these 48 include 10 R-7 koi that could be launched with the availability of entire starting tables in Tyra Tam and Plesetsk. It is probably naive to believe that the Americans left these objects unattended? Did the Americans know about the R-16? Of course they knew, they knew the deployment sites, thanks to Penkovsky, would they leave them unattended? Of course not.


          Quite right - the R-7 launch pads would have been destroyed in the first place. This is not mine-based - a "miss" of nuclear weapons in 1 km on the launch pad - is considered a defeat of the target. At the time of the crisis (I could be wrong) only three R-7s could be launched at the same time. The rest can be written off from further calculation, in the absence of surviving launchers.
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 11 July 2016 16: 16
            +3
            Quote: DimerVladimer
            Quite right - the R-7 launch pads would have been destroyed in the first place. This is not mine-based - a "miss" of nuclear weapons in 1 km on the launch pad - is considered a defeat of the target. At the time of the crisis (I could be wrong) only three R-7s could be launched at the same time. The rest can be written off from further calculation, in the absence of surviving launchers.


            ... this nonsense is not worth commenting ...
          2. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer 12 July 2016 11: 05
            +1
            Quote: Rus2012
            ... this nonsense is not worth commenting ...


            Maybe dedicate to the ignorant, where else were the launch tables for R-7 - the giant buildings that are on all Google maps, both active and emergency?
            According to my conservative estimates, 1 worker Plesetsk and 2 workers Baikonur
          3. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer 12 July 2016 11: 28
            +1
            But it would be worth knowing the technical part of the question:
            Family "R-7"
            SK 17P32-5 (PU No. 5) (Gagarinsky launch) Site No. 1
            SK 17P32-6 (PU No. 6) Site No. 31
            (I was just supposed to have practice at Baikonur)

            and in Plesetsk one more launcher
            In total, 3 pieces of SEMEROK will start - they will not have time to start the second wave due to the long installation time, R-7 refueling
            that you have no idea about the state of affairs at that time
          4. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer 13 July 2016 13: 21
            +1
            Quote: Rus2012
            ... this nonsense is not worth commenting ...


            ... Despite the successes, the designers could not get rid of the Achilles heel of domestic missiles. Carrying combat duty at ground-based launch complexes, they remained excellent targets for enemy missiles. The Americans abandoned the U-2 spy planes associated with great risk. Space intelligence provided the US command with complete and comprehensive data on the whereabouts of Soviet launchers. The flight time of American missiles did not exceed thirty minutes, while some of our systems had combat readiness measured in hours (P-7 12 hours). Under these conditions, their survival was problematic.

            "The protection of a ground launch is extremely low. Any of our missiles could be destroyed by an explosion of an American one-megaton warhead, produced at a distance five kilometers... Considering that all American ICBMs were equipped with warheads with a capacity of three megatons, and their maximum deviation from the target did not exceed three kilometers, then ... "there was no chance of a restart.
            http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/a-i-k/1998/4/pervov/mbr/mbr06.htm
  2. Rus2012
    Rus2012 11 July 2016 12: 21
    0
    Quote: Leto
    The U.S. has begun deploying an SPN in 1960. putting on combat duty radar AN / FPS-49 in Alaska and the UK. Therefore, the retaliatory strike did not depend on the effectiveness of Soviet missiles.

    good mister, please answer the question:
    and when put into operation, i.e. put on duty?

    Another question - give the algorithm of action of warning systems and missile parts. In hours and minutes of signal passage and development.

    Then we'll talk ...
    1. Leto
      Leto 11 July 2016 14: 30
      +1
      Quote: Rus2012
      and when put into operation, i.e. put on duty?

      They write in October 1960. In the middle of 1962. there were three PRS radars operating at Fylingdales Moor in the UK, Thule in Greenland and Cape Clear AK in Alaska.
      If you are interested in what you can read about the NORAD system, which is quite famous and the history of its formation is open for reading. Wikipedia is in the end.


      Quote: Rus2012
      Another question - give the algorithm of action of warning systems and missile parts. In hours and minutes of signal passage and development.

      Oh how! Do you find the top secret in the original with a signature stamp?
      The posts of the Beamyus system can detect ICBM warheads in flight 15-20 minutes before they hit areas of the North American continent.

      http://pentagonus.ru/publ/materialy_posvjashheny/1970_1990_gg/obedinjonnoe_koman
      dovanie_pvo_severoamerikanskogo_kontinenta_1976/120-1-0-1953
      Perhaps this is enough to give an order for a retaliatory strike?
      1. Bongo
        11 July 2016 14: 37
        +5
        Quote: Leto
        They write in October 1960. In the middle of 1962. there were three PRS radars operating at Fylingdales Moor in the UK, Thule in Greenland and Cape Clear AK in Alaska.

        To overestimate the capabilities and noise immunity of these stations is not worth it. No.
        Quote: Leto
        If you are interested in what you can read about the NORAD system, which is quite famous and the history of its formation is open for reading. Wikipedia is in the end.


        There is still this: US missile defense system
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 11 July 2016 15: 30
        +1
        Quote: Leto
        Perhaps this is enough to give an order for a retaliatory strike?

        This is all nothing ...
        Who should give the order ... and to whom?
        And if there is nothing and no one ... for example, they were previously destroyed by the P-12 blow from Cuba.

        For all that, the state of the US strategic nuclear forces after the P-12 attacks is unknown.
        And in what condition they were before (in what readiness) ...

        It is only known that the algorithm of actions of the US nuclear triad was based at this time on the strategy of "flexible response"

        Responsive strategy was presented at 1961 by the Kennedy administration, as opposed to the concept of massive retaliation. The flexible response principle implies a limited local US retaliatory strike against the forces of the Warsaw Pact using not only nuclear, but also conventional weapons.

        Flexible response steps in the event of non-nuclear aggression of the Soviet Union, it provided for three stages of response:

        Direct protection: In the event of Soviet aggression, NATO forces will try to stop Soviet troops using conventional weapons.

        Intentional escalation: This scenario provides for the limited use of tactical nuclear weapons.

        Massive nuclear strike: The final phase, involving a nuclear attack against the entire Warsaw block.

        While, the Politburo used the terms "General nuclear war" ...
        1. DimerVladimer
          DimerVladimer 11 July 2016 15: 41
          +1
          Quote: Rus2012
          For all that, the state of the US strategic nuclear forces after the P-12 attacks is unknown.
          And in what condition they were before (in what readiness) ...


          R-12 (average radius) could reach almost the entire west coast almost to Washington.
          Military infrastructure in this radius, in the event of a conflict) would be largely suppressed.
          As for the stability of management ... it's hard to judge, no one canceled the backup communication channels.
  • Leto
    Leto 11 July 2016 13: 26
    0
    Quote: Rus2012
    actual location
    Are there any differences?

    The respondent stated that the Americans "did not know what was going on under their noses in Cuba."
    Are you ready to agree with him?
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 11 July 2016 13: 43
      +1
      Quote: Leto
      The respondent stated that the Americans "did not know what was going on under their noses in Cuba."
      Are you ready to agree with him?

      ... do not find fault with words. In more detail, the Yankees revealed the "affairs on the island" too late. The Soviets could not do otherwise. For example, if Khrushchev had declared in advance - "about an agreement on the deployment of the Soviet Armed Forces in Cuba" - the reaction of the Yankees would have followed earlier ...
      Those. the invasion, as on the island of Grenada in the 1983 year ...
      1. Operator
        Operator 11 July 2016 15: 11
        0
        The composition of the nuclear carriers of the USSR in October 1962:
        ICBM - 48
        Submarine RSD - 80
        Strategic Bombers - 208
        RSD (Cuba) - 36
        RSD (Europe) - 800
        Frontline bombers - 4000
        Short Range Missiles - 180

        The number of nuclear charges of the USSR in October 1962 of the year is 2800.

        In the event of a preventive nuclear strike by the USSR in response to the American invasion of Cuba in October 1962 of the US national territory, there would have been from 128 (minimum guaranteed level) to 372 nuclear attacks (taking into account RSD in Cuba and strategic bombers), on average - 200 attacks power from 1 to 6 megatons.

        Places of nuclear strikes (they are also areas of the US air defense system)
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 11 July 2016 16: 21
          +2
          Quote: Operator
          ICBM - 48

          ... this is the total number of missiles, and the combat-ready launchers were 32. So some PUs had 2 rockets. The second for repeated volley.
          1. Operator
            Operator 11 July 2016 20: 46
            +2
            I agree with you.
        2. Rus2012
          Rus2012 11 July 2016 23: 02
          +3
          Quote: Operator
          In the event of a preventive nuclear strike by the USSR in response to the American invasion of Cuba in October 1962 of the US national territory, there would have been from 128 (minimum guaranteed level) to 372 nuclear attacks (taking into account RSD in Cuba and strategic bombers), on average - 200 attacks power from 1 to 6 megatons.

          The Strategic Missile Forces share in the impact of the first wave could be -
          - RSD R-12 from Cuba, maximum 24, real 10-12
          - ICBM R-16, max 32, real - 29-30
          - ICBM R-7, max 5, real - 4

          Total, max 61, really - 45

          A possible retaliatory strike by the United States and ICBMs depended mainly on the degree of destruction of the positional areas of their ICBMs and command and control units.

          Their SPRN (radar) could give an alert signal for 15minutes until the end of the warhead flight. The time to prepare and launch their ICBMs was at least 15 minutes. Still needed time to make a decision and bring the start order. It turned out back to back. And given the already obtained nightmare from P-12 from Cuba - it took time to restore the psyche ...

          We look at the composition of their ICBMs.
          Half made up on the radio command control system. Their start and guidance under conditions of being under the impact of nuclear weapons and the action of electromagnetic radiation can be considered problematic. The rest - depending on the location during the launch (standing open after lifting from shelters and preparing to start) and close nuclear strikes.
          In general, we can consider the probability of a start from the total number (187 units per database) in 50% - even overrated.

          It is necessary to consider PR:
          SM-65D Atlas-D
          • 389-e strategic missile wing (Warren Air Base, Wyoming)
          • 564-I Strategic Missile Squadron (6 missiles)
          • 565-I Strategic Missile Squadron (9 missiles)
          • 385 Bomber Wing (Offet Air Base, Nebraska)
          • 549-I Strategic Missile Squadron (9 missiles)

          SM-65E Atlas-E
          • 92 Bomber Wing (Fairchild Air Force Base, Washington)
          • 567-I strategic missile squadron (9 missiles)
          • 21-I strategic air division (Forbes air base, Kansas)
          • 548-I strategic missile squadron (9 missiles)
          • 389 strategic missile wing (Francis E. Warren Air Base, Wyoming)
          • 566-I strategic missile squadron (9 missiles)

          The SM-65F Atlas-F missiles were deployed in squadrons of 12 missiles, in four groups of three mines:
          • 310 Bomber Wing (Shilling Air Base, Kansas)
          • 550-I strategic missile squadron (12 missiles)
          • 98th Strategic Wing (Lincoln Air Base, Nebraska)
          • 551-I strategic missile squadron (12 missiles)
          • 11 bomber wing (Eltes Air Base, Oklahoma)
          • 557-I strategic missile squadron (12 missiles)
          • 96 Bomber Wing (Diass Air Base, Texas)
          • 578-I strategic missile squadron (12 missiles)
          • 6 Bomber Wing (Walker Air Base, New Mexico)
          • 575-I strategic missile squadron (12 missiles)
          • 820 Air Division (Plattsburgh Air Base, New York)
          • 556-I strategic missile squadron (12 missiles)

          SM-68 "Titan-1"
          In total, from 1960 to 1962, 54 missiles were deployed on combat duty (plus six more spares). consisting of six missile squadrons.
          • 568 Strategic Missile Squadron - Larson Air Force Base, Washington
          • 569 Strategic Missile Squadron - Mount Home Air Force Base, Idaho
          • 724 Strategic Missile Squadron - Lowry Air Force Base, Colorado
          • 725 Strategic Missile Squadron - Lowry Air Force Base, Colorado
          • 850th Strategic Missile Squadron - Ellsworth, Dakota Air Base
          • 851 Strategic Missile Squadron - Bale, CA
          1. bubalik
            bubalik 11 July 2016 23: 13
            0
            Rus ,, if you really have such a volume of info.obrabot hi
            1. Rus2012
              Rus2012 11 July 2016 23: 22
              +1
              Quote: bubalik
              Rus ,, if you really have such a volume of info.obrabot

              ... all from the old discussions.
            2. bubalik
              bubalik 11 July 2016 23: 26
              0
              Rus, maybe you have some calculations ,,,, the majority of the civilian population will die ?,,
        3. Operator
          Operator 12 July 2016 00: 04
          +1
          My calculations are based on preventive the use of Soviet nuclear weapons in response to the invasion of Cuba by the American army using conventional weapons.

          When calculating the minimum guaranteed number of charges that flew to the US national territory, I meant exclusively ICBMs and RSD in submarines - 112 warheads, taking into account your amendment. This option assumes the complete disabling of all RSDs based in Cuba, as well as the interception of all strategic bombers.

          The calculation of the maximum number of nuclear charges (356, subject to your amendment) includes RSDs based in Cuba and will reach the goals of all strategic bombers.

          On average, the most realistic version (234 nuclear charge) reflects the loss of part of the RSD based on Cuba, the loss of part of strategic bombers and the failure of part of the ICBMs.

          Over 200 megaton-class nuclear explosions in the United States, of which more than 100 before the evacuation of the population from cities - this is clearly unacceptable damage. Proceeding from the KVO then the ICBMs and RSD (about 2 km) were available, missile strikes should have occurred in cities, and not in military or industrial facilities (as the author claims).

          PS I agree with your version of the development of events in Cuba on the morning of October 27 of 1962 in the event of a US refusal to conclude a peace agreement - US conventional weapons destroy only part of the RSD, those remaining on Pliev’s order strike back.
          At the same time, on the basis of Pliev’s radiogram, an order is issued to launch ICBMs and RSDs, take off strategic and front-line bombers with nuclear weapons on board, leave the SA units from their locations, activate plans for mobilizing and evacuating the population.
        4. DimerVladimer
          DimerVladimer 13 July 2016 13: 54
          +1
          The first missile regiments of the R-16 combat missile systems were put on combat duty near Nizhny Tagil on November 1, 1961. The combat starting position of these missiles was also equipped at Baikonur.
          In 1962, the R-16 group totaled 26 missiles
          In the event of the invasion of Cuba, 14-15 R-12 missiles were ready to launch a nuclear strike on US territory.
          R-7, there were 4-5 pieces of launchers (in different sources of launchers Plesetsk estimated from 3 to 4 combat-ready positions, but apparently there were only combat-ready missiles on 3 tables in Plesetsk)
          epizodsspace.xn--ai-flcrbase.ru/bibl/aik/1998/4/pervov/mbr/mbr08.htm
          total 44-45 ICBMs ground based could be involved in a missile attack.
  • Kurasava
    Kurasava 11 July 2016 11: 52
    +3
    Nevertheless, the Americans learned about missiles only when they were already in CUBA and therefore ready for use. And they should have known this problem before they were delivered there, so they missed it and did not know, right? Second, they did not even know exactly how many strategic missiles with charges the Soviet group possessed, they only expected, but they did not have any idea about the number of tactical nuclear charges and the place of their deployment. That is why they had to make reconnaissance flights at low altitudes in order to learn at least something in more detail. And to declare that the Yankees knew all the mines, bases, airfields and all our missiles by numbers (I exaggerate of course the slabs, hehe) this bullshit is certainly complete .....
    PS
    Even our "ubiquitous" IDF in the territory of the small sector G with all modern technologies and a wide network of informers knows not all the "hot" places of Hamas. So that........
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 11 July 2016 12: 23
      +2
      Quote: Kurasava
      they had to conduct reconnaissance flights at low altitudes

      ... here very good. interest Ask...
      If negotiations between the governments were not going on, NO ONE WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THESE FLIGHTS!
      There was a categorical order to the Soviet air defense - "Do not shoot down!"
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 11 July 2016 09: 49
    -3
    The US Air Force was armed with 300 B53 bombs from 4,5 to 9 megatons and "serial monsters" 500 Mk 41 bombs with a capacity of 25 megatons.
  • RPG_
    RPG_ 11 July 2016 09: 55
    +3
    This is a bike. Even if you immediately detonate all the nuclear bombs on the planet, there will be no nuclear winter.
  • Amurets
    Amurets 11 July 2016 07: 48
    +7
    Sergei! Hello! Thank you, I wonder. What I want to add. The Airborne Forces and the Pacific Fleet at that time also posed a certain threat to the United States. There were three nuclear submarines 659 of the project that carried P-5 cruise missiles, the last two I don’t think. K-122 was launched on 06.06.62. 151 and did not pass the crew coordination and did not pass the training tasks yet, and the K-27 entered service the next year. Well, I will not write about the Grozny-class missile cruisers, they also entered service later. I already wrote about the Svobodnenskaya XNUMXth division of the Strategic Missile Forces. The main targets at that time for the Far East Military District were the Yokosuka naval base and the island of Okinawa. The main strike forces against our Far East were based there. The main targets were Vladivostok, Petropavlovsk, Khabar.
    1. Bongo
      11 July 2016 07: 59
      +5

      Quote: Amurets
      Sergei! Hello! Thank you, I wonder. What I want to add. The Airborne Forces and the Pacific Fleet at that time also posed a certain threat to the United States. There were three nuclear submarines 659 of the project that carried P-5 cruise missiles, the last two I don’t think. K-122 was launched on 06.06.62. 151 and did not pass the crew coordination and did not pass the training tasks yet, and the K-XNUMX entered service the next year. Well, I will not write about the Grozny-class missile cruisers, they also entered service later.


      Hello! Thank! About the actions of the fleet will be in the 3 part it hangs in my profile from Friday, I hope it will be released in the coming days. Initially, I planned in the 2 parts, but the 2 part did not fit the 10 limit of the Ward pages, and therefore had to be divided into three.
  • ICT
    ICT 11 July 2016 08: 09
    +1
    Quote: Leto
    Sergey tactfully circumvented the question


    Well, I would like to understand at that moment we could pound each other in the Stone Age or all the same, tanks and carts with nuclear shells were sent behind an armada of strategists
    1. Bongo
      11 July 2016 08: 21
      +6
      Quote: TIT
      Well, I would like to understand at that moment we could pound each other in the Stone Age or all the same, tanks and carts with nuclear shells were sent behind an armada of strategists

      In the "Stone Age" we would not have hammered each other in 1962, although the victims would have been enormous and the USSR would have suffered more. But there would be nothing left of the European NATO countries, especially Germany and Great Britain. Wait for the 3rd part ... hi
      1. razmik72
        razmik72 11 July 2016 10: 28
        0
        What makes you think that China in 1962 will fit into a nuclear war over Taiwan? Mao was not an idiot, as you want to easily expose him here. In the Russian General Staff, and now, for sure, together with Russia in a nuclear war, China is being destroyed. dragging chestnuts "for them.
        1. DimerVladimer
          DimerVladimer 11 July 2016 15: 29
          +2
          Quote: razmik72
          What makes you think that China in 1962 will fit into a nuclear war over Taiwan? Mao was not an idiot, as you want to easily expose him here. In the Russian General Staff, and now, for sure, together with Russia in a nuclear war, China is being destroyed. dragging chestnuts "for them.


          It is rightly noticed - the Chinese military doctrine was somewhat different.
          The Chinese would have waited for the opponents to weaken, their nuclear weapons would run out and then ...
    2. Leto
      Leto 11 July 2016 10: 07
      0
      Quote: TIT
      so I would like to understand at that time we could pound each other in the Stone Age

      The European part would definitely be unsuitable for living. It’s easy to imagine the consequences of nuclear strikes in Moscow. Moscow was and is a transport center and a center for managing the country, and then an industrial center. Its destruction, along with the destruction of other large cities, means virtually paralyzing the entire industry (or rather its surviving remnants), millions of refugees, famines, epidemics. Hundreds of nuclear weapons will turn the country into ruins, people will not have time before the war, the question of survival will arise.
      Quote: TIT
      or all the same, armies of strategists sent tanks and wagons with nuclear shells

      I believe that the GBV would advance towards Germany, accompanying the offensive with tactical nuclear strikes, but then it would not be so, news from the house would be sobering to many, and even without the rear it would be impossible to attack ...
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 11 July 2016 11: 22
        +3
        Quote: Leto
        I believe that the GBV would move to Germany, accompanying the offensive with tactical nuclear strikes,

        ...
        According to the Politburo's plans, the "march to the shores of the Atlantic" was a distraction from the main actions of the reinforced Transcaucasian Front - "a march on the oil-bearing regions of the Near East." Capturing the "oil crane" would have ended in WW3 ...
        1. Operator
          Operator 11 July 2016 21: 01
          0
          The occupation of Western Europe was one of the two strategic directions of the SA in a nuclear conflict with NATO. This direction cannot be called distracting, since the main ground forces of the USSR and NATO were concentrated on it.

          The second strategic direction was the occupation of Turkey, Syria, Palestine, Iran, Iraq and the Persian Gulf countries with the help of RSD, front-line bombers and the remainder of the SA forces.

          An auxiliary strike using Soviet RSD, front-line bombers, and Chinese infantry was planned in the Far East against US bases in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, and Guam.
  • ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 11 July 2016 08: 47
    +4
    Excellent status, I really like to read options for strategic operations, thanks to the author.
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 11 July 2016 10: 49
      -3
      Quote: ivanovbg
      Excellent status, I really like to read options for strategic operations, thanks to the author.

      After the implementation of such a scenario of a "strategic operation", the angry Turks would have slaughtered all Bulgarians, respected "strategist" from sunny Bulgaria, they would not have spared Armenia, by the way.
  • Fei_Wong
    Fei_Wong 11 July 2016 08: 58
    +2
    Forgotten fuss near Cuba. Do not write off this corner after the first hypothetical exchange of "goodies". At that time, new transport workers from the USSR were going to Cuba with weapons (namely, nuclear weapons), as well as regular submarines (well, after the "hot phase" - they would still be covered with might and main by surface ships, which were already on duty in the Atlantic. the surface fleet of the USSR in those days was much more serious than the present).
    1. Kurasava
      Kurasava 11 July 2016 09: 11
      +1
      What to talk about! Amer would have piled on the most "Honduras" without a doubt. Fans of counting in the spirit - but we had 200 missiles and 350 amers, so we would have lost, I advise you to remember Bonopart's "situation" and Hitler's "partigenosse", they also had the whole alignment in their favor .... he-he-he) ))
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 11 July 2016 09: 50
        +1
        Fortunately, neither Napoleon nor Hitler had nuclear weapons.
        1. Kurasava
          Kurasava 11 July 2016 12: 03
          0
          And here he is))) A lover of calculating hehe. Yes, thank God that was not.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 11 July 2016 22: 07
            -2
            Most of the Soviet Union’s territory would have been turned into a nuclear ruin - the US Air Force was armed with almost 1000 heavy-duty thermonuclear bombs. We now have parity, and in 1962 there wasn’t any parity.
  • Fei_Wong
    Fei_Wong 11 July 2016 09: 10
    +2
    Quote: Bongo
    In the "Stone Age" we would not have hammered each other in 1962, although the victims would have been enormous and the USSR would have suffered more.

    First, the USSR or the Russian SSR? If the USSR - then I have no objection.
    Secondly, the USSR would suffer more in relation to WHAT? Is it simple with respect to the USA, or the USA + NATO countries + other puppets (by the way, then the USSR would obviously suffer less, given the population density and the area of ​​the countries)? If we even consider hypothetical losses, we need scrupulousness.
  • Aleksander
    Aleksander 11 July 2016 09: 40
    +2
    Soon, the DPRK troops cross the 38 parallel and begin to advance towards Seoul. Taking advantage of the fact that the Americans can no longer defend their ally, the PLA forces are hastily preparing to capture Formosa


    I think that our troops in Germany would immediately go on the offensive ....
    1. Leto
      Leto 11 July 2016 10: 09
      0
      Quote: Aleksander
      I think that our troops in Germany would immediately go on the offensive ....

      This Sergey left for a snack. We will also see a description of tank columns tending to the English Channel.
  • Vovan 73
    Vovan 73 11 July 2016 09: 58
    -3
    The author, however .... still need to bite
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    2. Bongo
      11 July 2016 11: 24
      +9
      Quote: Vovan 73
      The author, however .... still need to bite

      Author, i.e. I, unlike you (judging by your comment), leads a healthy lifestyle and practically does not consume alcohol.
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    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 July 2016 22: 28
      -2
      Yes, all these tank columns will be flared with tactical nuclear missiles and thermonuclear bombs.
  • ivanovich
    ivanovich 11 July 2016 11: 35
    -9
    As a result of the failure of the guidance system of the American ICBM, the airfield near Poltava survived.
    Two warheads were shot down by concentrated Nike-Hercules anti-aircraft volleys with nuclear warheads.
    A single R-14 rocket of the 433rd missile regiment stationed in Ukraine destroyed the Aviano air base in Italy.
    The launch of the BRSD in North Ossetia was a surprise for the Americans, as the 178th missile regiment successfully disguised itself as a training aviation unit.


    Author, are you tired of wasting your time writing this HERESY and Nonsense? I understand that if this were a general overview of the alternative development of the events of the Caribbean crisis, but to write my fantasies here on such episodic specifics, while pulling some real facts under my delusional fabrications and presenting them as justified to the reader, it’s just a schizoid flood .
    1. Bongo
      11 July 2016 11: 46
      +5
      Quote: ivanovich
      Author, are you tired of wasting your time writing this HERESY and Nonsense? I understand that if this were a general overview of the alternative development of the events of the Caribbean crisis, but to write my fantasies here on such episodic specifics, while pulling some real facts under my delusional fabrications and presenting them as justified to the reader, it’s just a schizoid flood .

      What can I say, do not like do not read or give me a minus. And for this comment, you’re definitely getting into the minuses right now, because you are slipping into rudeness negative Where do you see "heresy and delirium"? The fact that Nike-Hercules had limited anti-missile capabilities, or that the R-14 MRBM with a launch range of 4000 km of the 433rd missile regiment deployed in Ukraine shot through all of Europe, or that the Americans did not know about 178 th missile regiment in the Caucasus? No. I agree that there are probably some inaccuracies in the publication, but when I wrote it, I tried to rely on documentary sources. If you criticize, then criticize objectively and with evidence. Otherwise, it's just throwing poop ... negative
      1. ivanovich
        ivanovich 11 July 2016 12: 38
        -5
        Quote: Bongo
        What can I say, don't like not read or give me a minus. And for this comment, you are definitely now being stuck with minuses, since you slide down to rudeness negative What do you see "heresy and delirium"? The fact that Nike-Hercules had limited anti-missile capabilities, or that the R-14 IRBM with a launch range of 4000 km of the 433rd missile regiment deployed in Ukraine shot through all of Europe, or that the Americans did not know about 178 th missile regiment in the Caucasus? no I agree that there are probably some inaccuracies in the publication, but when writing it I tried to rely on documentary sources. If you criticize, then criticize in detail and with evidence. Otherwise, it's just throwing poop ...


        I pointed out to you your nonsense in detail: why not 3 or 1 warheads were shot down, because the author wanted to fantasize so much, why the Americans did not know about some 178 regiment, but because the author who does not have access to the Pentagon archives decided so, relying on on the "proofs" and the Internet, why the ICBM guidance system failed, but because the sofa strategist had such a brilliant idea, etc. Here's my proof.
        So do not frighten me with these couch minuses, here is written BRED and there is a lot of it, and the very idea of ​​its implementation with sipping real facts for a "scientific" justification deserves criticism with such epithets.
        1. Bongo
          11 July 2016 12: 50
          +7
          Quote: ivanovich
          I pointed out to you your subject matter above: why not the 3 or 1 warhead was shot down

          Rave? stop Please choose expressions and read the rules of the site! In the publication in art form, taking into account archival data, one of the scenarios is described. Why not three would you know if you read the 1 part. fool Unlike you, I have no access to the "Pentagon archives", but even the locals of the settlement where the 178th missile regiment was stationed for a long time considered it an aviation unit.
          Quote: ivanovich
          Yes, because the sofa strategist received such a brilliant idea, etc. Here are my evidence.

          This is laughter, not evidence ... laughing
          1. ivanovich
            ivanovich 11 July 2016 14: 14
            -2
            Quote: Bongo
            This is laughter, not evidence ...

            You seem to have played with your gaming fantasies. purely for the sake of common sense, I spent 10 minutes and cleaned them from the text, this is what happened in a more or less attractive form:
            After the launch of the ICBM, Soviet Long-Range Aviation was deployed. After striking ICBMs and the first attack of American bombers, the Soviet Air Force did not have many long-range vehicles left, but only a few aircraft could reach US territory and return back.

            The first to enter the business were the Tu-16A jets, which did not have an intercontinental range, but were perfectly suited for bombing American targets in Europe, Asia and Alaska. NATO air defense in Europe after nuclear missiles had gaps, so the losses of the bombers were relatively small. Fierce resistance is provided only by RAF pilots. The batteries of the anti-aircraft complexes Bloodhound and Thunderbird, whose positions were located in the vicinity of British air bases, were for the most part destroyed or incapacitated by electromagnetic pulses of nuclear explosions, and the friend-or-foe radar system completely failed. For this reason, the British interceptors were forced to visually identify targets to prevent the destruction of American and British bombers returning after a raid on the USSR.

            The target for Soviet bombers is a large American ground group in the area of ​​Grafenwer, Illesheim and Büchel airbases. Only individual batteries of the Nike-Hercules air defense system are trying to counter Tu-16 in the Federal Republic of Germany, and the French are throwing MD.454 "Mr. IV" fighters and the F-100 "Supersaber" deployed in Germany. A significant part of the tactical aviation of the occupying forces in Germany has survived, but the Americans and the British are in no hurry to use the fighters hidden in concrete shelters, and the control of the West German Luftwaffe is lost. In addition, the level of radiation at many airbases subjected to nuclear strikes impedes the conduct of restoration work.

            Two squadrons of Tu-16 rising from the airfield of Mozdok are heading towards Turkey, their goal is Istanbul, Ankara and the American air base Injirlik, where American strategic bombers sit down for refueling. However, they suffer great losses. Istanbul is covered with four Nike-Hercules batteries, and on the way to Ankara and the Injirlik Tu-16 airbase they are met by the F-100 and F-104 fighters. By Ankara at low altitude, two bombers manage to break through, and the city perishes in the fire of nuclear explosions.
            Several Tu-16s attack Alaska. Their goal is the so-called DEW line - a network of radars interconnected by automated communication systems. Tu-16 bombers are trying to counteract the interceptors F-102 and F-106. The Americans are using MIM-14 Genie unguided aerial combat missiles with a W25 nuclear warhead with a power of 1,5 kt and a launch range of 10 km. The warhead was detonated by a remote fuse that fires immediately after the rocket engine has completed its work. A warhead explosion is capable of guaranteed destroying any aircraft within a radius of 500 meters. In addition to unguided nuclear missiles, aircraft-controlled AIM-26 Falcon with nuclear warheads are also widely used.

            As a result, the goal has been achieved, the Soviet first-wave bomber manages to disrupt the performance of the US-Canadian air defense system. As a result of nuclear explosions over Dutch Harbor and Anchorage, key radars and communication lines were disabled.
            1. ivanovich
              ivanovich 11 July 2016 14: 17
              0
              Important US targets in Japan and South Korea are being bombarded. Soon, the DPRK troops cross the 38th parallel and begin to advance towards Seoul. Taking advantage of the fact that the Americans can no longer defend their ally, the PLA forces are hastily preparing for the capture of Formosa. Chinese bombers N-5 (IL-28) and N-6 (Tu-16) are bombing targets in Taiwan. Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek, realizing that he alone will not be able to restrain the landing of communist Chinese troops on the island, calls for help to the United States. The Americans send several carrier-based A-3s, which destroy the coastal air bases of the PLA Air Force with nuclear bombs. After which Mao Zedong has no choice, and he joins the USSR in military operations against the United States. As a result, the multimillion-dollar Chinese army is once again engaging in war on the Korean Peninsula, and several Tu-4 piston bombers are trying to bomb Clark’s advanced air force base in the Philippines and Singapore. Aircraft approaching the Philippines were shot down by American fighters, and a raid on Singapore, where British and American warships are being repaired and replenished, is reflected by the fire of the RIM-2 Terrier and Bloodhound SAMs.
              The United States and Canada tried to attack Tu-95 bombers carrying mostly free-falling thermonuclear bombs. The air defense system of Canada and the USA was considered the most powerful in the world and it was able to prevent the destruction of American cities in the heat of thermonuclear explosions. Almost 100% of the Nike-Hercules anti-aircraft missiles and the Bomark long-range unmanned interceptors were equipped with nuclear charges ranging in power from 2 to 40 kt.
              The US Air Force command is trying to restore the disturbed information field by sending three dozen EC-121 Warning Star AWACS aircraft to the intercept lines.
              The B-47 bombers suffered heavy losses, and the surviving Stratojets operated mainly in the Eastern Bloc countries, in addition, as a result of attacks by Soviet infantry infantry regiments and Tu-16s against targets in Europe, most of their air bases were disabled.
              After the PRC and DPRK entered the war, American strategic aviation fusion bombs Beijing and Pyongyang, as well as several other Chinese and North Korean cities.
              In order to help its ally, the US Navy command sent the Los Angeles (CA-135) cruiser to the PRC coast, which launched two Regulus cruise missiles with W27 megaton warheads over Chinese coastal facilities. After China was subjected to another series of nuclear strikes
  • 25ru
    25ru 11 July 2016 15: 46
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    In short, unchristes were wiped into powder. And I will repay every one. We won. All ? Alternative specialists, such alternative specialists wink. But here, after all, there was oil for sore spots - and even then we left them with one left, and with a half kick and do not FIG what . The author, you have excellent articles, do not touch you, God for the sake of this alternative. Each specialist, according to the terms of reference, has a lot of comments for you. IMHO. Wherein - hi for trying, but right ...
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 11 July 2016 17: 20
    +1
    But to live in this wonderful time, not for me neither for you ..... After such a mess, the living will envy the dead.
  • aba
    aba 11 July 2016 19: 22
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    Hmm ... I wonder what is the use of this alternative story ?! Show off knowledge of archival data? Well, it may be so ... But then, in cases of escalation of the conflict, everything could turn out completely wrong and we are not destined to know about it. And somehow there is a notorious human factor that always somehow interferes with all the major events in the history of mankind.
  • Old26
    Old26 12 July 2016 08: 57
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    Quote: Vadim237
    The US Air Force was armed with 300 B53 bombs from 4,5 to 9 megatons and "serial monsters" 500 Mk 41 bombs with a capacity of 25 megatons.

    You are not quite right, Vadim. The numbers you give are most often correct, but without reference to time.
    Let's start with the bomb Mk 41. They really were released 500 units. But released in two versions. "Dirty" 25 MT bomb Mk 41Y1 и "clean" Mk 41Y2 with a capacity of 9,3 mt.
    First 25 mt was released 150 unitssecondly 9.3 Mt - 350. So, as you see, the total amount seems to be the same, but in terms of capacity - alas, there is no coincidence. The United States did not have five hundred and 25-mt bombs.

    Next bomb Mk 53 (B-53, it began to be called in 1968). They really were released 340 units (not 300)It was produced in eight versions: Mk 53 mod.1Y1, Mk 53 mod.1Y2, Mk 53 mod.2Y1, Mk 53 mod.2Y2, Mk 53 mod.3Y1, Mk 53 mod.3Y2, Mk 53 mod.4Y1, Mk 53 mod.4Y2.
    But they were produced with August 1962 to July 1965, that is, for 3 years. During this time, 340 units were produced. An elementary calculation shows that before the crisis, the United States had about 20 of these bombs.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 July 2016 21: 42
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      Yes, even one such bombing Mk 41Y1 would be completely enough to raze the whole of Moscow to the ground and make an area of ​​139500 square kilometers unsuitable for life during the year, and 500 of these bombs would turn the entire territory of the USSR into a radioactive repository for many years, since radioactive traces were superimposed would be at each other.
    2. traveler1000
      traveler1000 5 August 2016 01: 06
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      Mk 41 has never been released in a clean version. Johnson’s website is an absurd lie. You only need to study declassified documents — I have two editions of Swords of Armageddon by Chuck Hansen.

      By the way, the energy release of the Mk36 bomb was 19 mt-10 that Hansen invented. Clean versions it was originally a fake for Eisenhower as well as a peak megatonnage of 20 MT (actually 000 MT).

      Declassified DOE documents (not all) -https: //www.osti.gov/opennet/
      https://nnsa.energy.gov/aboutus/ouroperations/generalcounsel/foia/reading-room-a
      fter2000
      blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/- leftist though blog.
      Hansen studied 45000 declassified documents.

      CIA FOIA Reading room
      DOD FOIA reading room
      Doe scitech connect-part of unclassified DOE reports.
      Dtic Mil-Unclassified / Declassified Dod Records.
      USAF FOIA Reading room
      Lanl research library
      Doe scitech

      Here are the real consequences of nuclear war-http: //nsarchive.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb480/

      I read the comments here - people have little idea of ​​nuclear weapons - more of a fairy tale.

      How do you feel about the 60 megaton bomb requirement in SAC in 1954 and 1956, and 2 designs were proposed (this is class A, Mk41-class B). The first Bassoon design was £ 40 in 000 (reduced 1955 mt GNOMON charge version) for the B1000 and in 60 Mary Ann at 1957 pounds for the B25000 — including the clean 52 mt and 25 mt salted versions. And in 45 -1954, LLNL worked on GNOMON charges of 1955 megatons and SUNDIAL at 1000 megatons. The latter existed only on paper, but GNOMON really planned to detonate (this is primary for a charge of 10 mt) in 000 and could be at full capacity. There was a large experimental group that prepared 10 technical reports on a 000 megaton bomb with From August 1956, 40 to March 1000, 3. And the person who headed it further worked on Rover and Pluto.LLNL in total prepared 1954 scientific and technical reports with a stamp as of 8. There were projects of gigaton bombs in the period 1955-200000, including works on Classical Super.Lowell W ood showed in 2008 that one option can work if the size of the system is tens of gigatons — the idea is to burn all the USSR warheads with one blow-Palisades of fire. This is what can be counted under the ASC program.

      Regarding the Mk41, only some of them were deployed, some were stored in underground bunkers. SAC had 2962 charges of which 182 ICBMs. Megatonage was a little more than 7000 megatons.
  • DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 13 July 2016 13: 36
    +1
    In April 1961, the development of R-14U missiles (a unified version) was launched, which could be launched both from land-based launchers and from silos.

    12.01.1962/14/14, the first launch of the R-14U rocket from the ground launcher at the Kapustin Yar test site was made, then the R-80U launches from the landfill began. The position of the R-70U mine missiles consisted of three silos located at the corners of a right-angled triangle with legs of XNUMX and XNUMX m, and a protected command post. Missiles were loaded into the silos with the help of special installers and stored with empty fuel tanks. Their refueling was carried out during the period of threat.
    http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/a-i-k/1998/4/pervov/mbr/mbr07com1.htm

    The survivability of silos of the R-12U "Dvina" and R-14U "Chusovaya" missiles was low. The radius of their destruction in the explosion of a 1 Mt bomb was 1,5-2 km.

    ShPU combat positions were group: 4 for R-12U and 3 mines for R-14U, located at a distance of less than 100 m from each other. Thus, a single 1 Mt explosion could destroy 3 or 4 mines at once. Nevertheless, the security of missiles in silos was significantly higher than on open launchers.

    The R-14U mine-based missile was adopted by the Council of Ministers resolution of 15.07.1963 (that is, after the events of 1962).
  • DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 13 July 2016 13: 42
    +1
    In the event of the invasion of Cuba, 14-15 R-12 missiles were ready to launch a nuclear strike on US territory.

    In connection with the beginning of the blockade of Cuba by the ships of the US Navy, Soviet ships delivering R-14 missiles were forced to return.

    During the crisis, the USA and the USSR reached an agreement according to which the USSR removed all missiles from Cuba, and the USA gave a non-aggression guarantee against Cuba and took out Jupiter medium-range missiles from Turkey and Italy (45 in total) and Thor missiles from England (60 units).

    However, one R-12 rocket still remained in Cuba, but as a monument.

    By the way, the missiles returned from Cuba were tested in the USSR by the launch method. All starts went fine.
    http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/a-i-k/1998/4/pervov/mbr/mbr07com1.htm
  • Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 13 July 2016 15: 44
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    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/1713256.html
    Evgeny Pozhidaev: Nuclear Myths
  • daatop
    daatop 22 November 2019 09: 51
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    I believe that no reason can justify the masochism of the authors of the Alternative Third World War in 1962!
    Private Caribbean Front, 16 zrp 12 dzvo air defense GSVK Anatoly Dmitriev, 22.11.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX
    The Russian Federation does not recognize the facts of the real Alternative history of the Cuban missile crisis and the VZO "Anadyr" https://yadi.sk/i/7QVD0N5YT_sQlQ
  • daatop
    daatop 1 November 2020 14: 34
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    Alternative history of the Cuban missile crisis and the Allied Forces "Anadyr"
    https://yadi.sk/i/7QVD0N5YT_sQlQ
    Private Caribbean Front Anatoly Dmitriev, 01.11.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX
    Remember the Heroes of the Caribbean Front!