Finland intends to buy South Korean self-propelled guns

Finland began intergovernmental negotiations with South Korea on the acquisition of K9 Thunde self-propelled howitzers of 155 mm / 52 caliber, a blog reports bmpd with reference to the press service of the Finnish military.

It is noted that the decision to purchase K9 from availability (“in good condition”) “was made on the basis of a study of the world market of wheeled and tracked self-propelled guns of 155 mm caliber”.

Howitzers are acquired for the purpose of "partial replacement of outdated artillery weapons." It is supposed to purchase about 50 installations for a total of about € 100 million.

“Earlier in the beginning of 2000-s, Finland negotiated the purchase of new-produced German 155-mm / 52 self-propelled howitzers PzH 2000, but then refused to acquire them for financial reasons. Now the amount in 100 million euros would most likely not be enough to buy 50 PzH 2000 in Germany even from availability, ”the publication says.

Reference bmpd: “The South Korean 155-mm / 52 K9 Thunder self-propelled howitzer was developed and produced by Samsung Techwin (now Hanwha Techwin). In all, from the 1999 to the 2014 years, the South Korean army received the 1136 SAU K9. The system, also from 2004, is manufactured under license in Turkey (like T-155 Firtina). ”

Comments

[kirieeleyson]

replacement of Hyacinths, although where are they from there, maybe field art is made mobile. With a platform on "patrias" only to carry mortars, all the same they refused from the "boxing layout".

[Kars]

Carnations they change.

[kirieeleyson]

PsH 74, but they are 122 mm, Telak 91 (Hyacinths) still remained in the same place - a more suitable part, especially since they were already written off about 5 years ago, but there is no replacement. And there are 152mm field ones, they were also written off. True in the quantity of the batch, if 18 - 20, then Hyacinths, if all 50, then Carnations replacement.

[razmik72]

Quote: kirieeleyson

replacement of Hyacinths, although where are they from there, maybe field art is made mobile. With a platform on "patrias" only to carry mortars, all the same they refused from the "boxing layout".

Why do the Finns have so many weapons? In recent years, they have purchased a large number of weapons, including such strike systems as the long-range American MLRS.

[Maksus]

And what kind of shisha? The Finns took 140 Leopards, bought Patria and AMOS, now also expensive self-propelled guns ....

[potroshenko]

Quote: Maksus

And what kind of shisha? The Finns took 140 Leopards, bought Patria and AMOS, now also expensive self-propelled guns ....

Yes, to their own chances, they can even afford the benefit of all citizens to pay.

[Maksus]

It is clear that on their own. But this is expensive, Korean weapons are not cheap, the volume of production, as it were, directly hints at this. Here are just the amount of payments and salaries in the Finnish community has decreased, but you need to feed the "refugees" for something.

[potroshenko]

Quote: Maksus

That's just the volume of payments and salaries in Finnish decreased

Can you give the facts?

[Hon]

Quote: Maksus

And what kind of shisha? The Finns took 140 Leopards, bought Patria and AMOS, now also expensive self-propelled guns ....

they are not poor people, and the army is small, so they buy new and expensive toys for themselves.
but the data on salaries, despite the fact that prices in the country are low
1. nurses (2800 euros)
2. Doctors (5440 euros)
3. orderlies, junior nurses (2340 euros)
4. sales managers and telephone sellers (3080 euros)
5. special educators (3860 euros)
6. social workers (2800 euros)
7. dentists (4510 euros)
8. kindergarten teachers (2290 euros)
9. dental assistants (2260 euros)
10. janitors (2110 euros)
11. educators in the social sphere (2800 euros)
12. dental hygienists (2480 euros)
13. psychologists (3530 euros)
14. accountants (2610 euros)
15. employees of the medical laboratory, radiologists (2590 euros).

[Simple]

Quote: Hon

but the data on salaries, despite the fact that prices in the country are low

Well, their prices are high (with the exception of milk and water)
Fruit
Jonagold apples (Holland) 0,99 euro per kg
tangerines (Spain) - 0,99 Euro per kg
oranges (Spain) - 1,59 Euro per kg
pears (Holland) - 1,55 Euro per kg
bananas (Holland) - 1,99 euros per kg, bananas (Costa Rica) - 1,85 euros per kg

Potato
potatoes (Finland) - 0,69 euros per kg, Rosamund potatoes (Finland) - 1,29 euros per kg

eggs
Munakunta chicken eggs 12 pcs - 1,99 euros (2,44 euros per kg)
organic chicken eggs Munakunta 4 pcs - 1,59 euros (5,85 euros per kg)

Bread
bread from 0,99 euros for a sliced ​​loaf (Finland) - up to 1,89 euros for a sliced ​​loaf Fazer

Meat products
salmon fillet - 9,59 euro per kg
chicken fillet (breast) - 13,82 per kg
pork steak - 8,99 for 750 g
small frozen shrimp - 17,72 euro per kg (Rainbow), medium-sized shrimp - 18,61 euro per kg (Rainbow)

Dairy produce
Cheese Oltermanni - 6,39 per kg
milk with fat content 3,5% - 1,47 euro per liter (Arla)
skim milk Valio - 0,69 Euro per liter

Household chemicals
Vanish Oxi Action - 5,65 Euro (11,30 Euro per kg)
Fairy Original 900 ml - 3,55 Euro
Fairy Lemon 900 ml - 3,30 Euro

Have dinner alone in an expensive restaurant serving national cuisine = 120 - 150 EUR
Have dinner in a normal but not expensive restaurant for two = 30 - 60 EUR
Eat alone at the Pizzeria = 6 - 10 EUR
In a kebab cafe = 6 - 8 EUR

The cost of renting an 2 room apartment (kitchen, living room, bedroom) per month, Helsinki city center B = 700 - 1200 EUR no center = 600 - 1000 EUR
Prices 1 square meter of housing in Helsinki, in the city center = 5 000 - 6 000 EUR not in the center = 3 000 - 4 000 EUR
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Finland has high taxes of up to 36% on personal income and 29% corporate tax.

The following taxes have been established for all enterprises operating in Finland: VAT, which ranges from 8 to 22% (depending on the field of activity). Social taxes - about 30%.

The calculation of VAT is carried out at three types of rates: 23% - the basic rate, 13% - on food products and public catering services and 9% - on medicines, printed matter, entertainment, sports, passenger transport, etc.

[Hon]

before the ruble fell in price, it was very popular among the residents of St. Petersburg, to go to Finland to buy goods, the prices were about the same, but the quality was higher. Girlfriend often went.
even now, if you look at the prices you quoted and convert them into cheaper rubles, you get about comparable prices.
Speaking of taxes, in addition to 13% of personal income tax, an employer pays 30% of contributions from the salary of each employee, which gives us 43%, and in addition, high taxes are offset by high social guarantees, for example free medicine, truly free and not like ours, and very high level.

[Simple]

Quote: Hon

prices were about the same, but the quality is higher. Girlfriend often went.

there were no fakes (Feri, milk, meat was cheaper)
but I did not compare with us. I am with Europe.
Our prices are generally another song.
Finland's national debt of $ 547,500,000,000 is approx. 51% of the country's GDP (2014 GDP: $ 270,7 billion). Given that there are 5,268 million inhabitants in the state, its per capita debt is .....

23 RUSSIA $599,000,000,000 31 DECEMBER 2014 EST.
24 FINLAND $547,500,000,000 31 DECEMBER 2014 EST.

Quote: Hon

which gives us 43%

they have the same under 30% social + personal income tax completely different
The Finnish law provides for a progressive scale of income tax rates: income from 16 300 € is tax deductible, income from 16 300 € to 24 300 € is taxed at 6,5%, from 24 300 € to 39 700 € at 17,5% 39 € to 700 71 € - at 400% rate, from 21,5 71 € to 400 100 € - at 000% rate, over 29,75 100 € - at 000% rate. For certain types of income, additional fees may be added. (for example, from 2013 of the year it applies the 6% fee for pensions in excess of 45 000 €). In addition, municipal tax is levied at rates ranging from 16,50% to 22,50%.
Thus, the average effective rate may be 51,25%.

[Hon]

Quote: Just

Finland's national debt of $ 547,500,000,000 is approx. 51% of the country's GDP (2014 GDP: $ 270,7 billion). Given that there are 5,268 million inhabitants in the state, its per capita debt is .....

again about government debts, the USA, Japan, the entire EU, in fact, even Switzerland, have huge government debts, they live and do not worry, while Russia has weak credit ratings and the ruble fell very fast in a very short time.

Quote: Just

they have the same under 30% social + personal income tax completely different
The Finnish law provides for a progressive scale of income tax rates: income from € 16 is not taxable, income from € 300 to € 16 is taxed at a rate of 300%, from € 24 to € 300 - at a rate of 6,5 %, from 24 € to 300 € - at a rate of 39%, from 700 € to 17,5 € - at a rate of 39%, over 700 € - at a rate of 71%. For some types of income, additional fees may be added (for example, since 400, a 21,5% fee applies to pensions in excess of € 71). In addition, municipal tax is levied at a rate of 400% to 100%.
Thus, the average effective rate may be 51,25%.

Finland has a progressive income tax rate, that is, depending on the size of the annual income, the state tax rate can range from 7% to 30,5%. In addition to the total amount of income, when determining the amount of tax by tax authorities, the marital status of the payer, family composition, etc.
That is, the rich pay more than the poor
For foreigners working in Finland, a single income tax rate of 35% has been introduced.
With high taxes they have, a mortgage of 2-3%, free education (including higher education), medicine, high benefits

[Simple]

Quote: Hon

live and do not worry, while credit ratings are weak in Russia

I just don’t understand this (about the whole world)
I think when they finish.
Ponder over Earth (countries) should more than 70 600 000 000 000 $

Who?
Aliens?
Private owners? state?
to whom, how and what to give?
If Japan 400% of GDP !!! 4 years work only n duty: neither eat, nor drink, do not poop

And if you do not want to give? how to beat out?

Quote: Hon

and the ruble fell very much in a very short time.

The same with Norway with a crown, with KSA with a dinar

Quote: Hon

up to 30,5%

I wrote how much.
Threat Finland due to debt canceled free higher already

Quote: Hon

The marital status of the payer, family composition, etc. are taken into account.

Well, yes. I even pay fines for violating traffic rules, taking into account all of the above.

Quote: Hon

With high taxes they have, mortgage 2-3%,

This is not connected with taxes in any way, it is directly dependent on the ECB rate

(in 2007 there was a mortgage under 9-10%)

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Their money is bloated. And their price - only people run, hide their capital of national currencies in them (euro, dollar).
War, crisis, brexit№2-, collapse (with such a debt)

[Hon]

Of course, they have exaggerated money, but it only bothers us

[Maksus]

Well, for their medicine, I would not sing songs of praise. Then the Finns lose to the Swedes, not to mention Germany and France. Rather, they have our level, only more intelligently organized - there are fewer people, fewer transmission links.

[Hon]

Quote: Maksus

Well, for their medicine, I would not sing songs of praise. Then the Finns lose to the Swedes, not to mention Germany and France. Rather, they have our level, only more intelligently organized - there are fewer people, fewer transmission links.

Finland has one of the lowest child mortality rates worldwide. This is achieved, among other things, due to the high level of vaccination - here it reaches 95%. Vaccination is free. The average life expectancy is 74-76 years for men, and 81-83 years for women
in the ranking of countries in terms of health in 2014 Finland ranked 19th and Russia 51

[Maksus]

So in our country, vaccination is free, there are only pridyk, who consider it evil. But, believe me, I know what I'm talking about when I talk about Finnish medicine.

[Hon]

Quote: Maksus

So in our country, vaccination is free, there are only pridyk, who consider it evil. But, believe me, I know what I'm talking about when I talk about Finnish medicine.

I’m not saying that our medicine is all paid, but it’s not possible to call our medicine a free language, it is also worth noting the cutback in healthcare costs by the state. Another weakness of our medicine is monitoring and prevention, these areas can improve health care while also saving money.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Quote: Hon

5. special educators (3860 euros)
6. social workers (2800 euros)
8. kindergarten teachers (2290 euros)
13. psychologists (3530 euros)

Nekhilo dates pay specialists in the extraction of our children. But, given their poor fertility, this is understandable and reasonable, from the Finnish point of view. But not from the point of view of Russian parents from whom the Finns stole children.

[Hon]

Quote: Mikhail Krapivin

Nekhilo dates pay specialists in the extraction of our children. But, given their poor fertility, this is understandable and reasonable, from the Finnish point of view. But not from the point of view of Russian parents from whom the Finns stole children.

poor birth rate? and you look for a start information on the population of Finland. The population is growing annually, 90% of the Finnish population, Finnish Swedes in second place, Russians in third place, while Russians occupy the first place in migration to Finland, probably then to take their children from them.

[Maksus]

There are no parasites besides psychologists. Special teachers are busy with important work with difficult and sick children, and only a fool can deny the importance of a kindergarten teacher and social worker.

[Maksus]

Quote: Hon

Quote: Maksus

And what kind of shisha? The Finns took 140 Leopards, bought Patria and AMOS, now also expensive self-propelled guns ....

they are not poor people, and the army is small, so they buy new and expensive toys for themselves.
but the data on salaries, despite the fact that prices in the country are low
...
15. Laboratory staff radiologists (Xnumx euro).

It will be more correct here radiologists, the radiologist is a doctor nevertheless, and one of the highest paid.

[HERMES]

Quote: Maksus

Now also expensive self-propelled guns ....

50 first-class K9s for 100 million ... this is a very good deal for the Finns.
They could pay more than 9 million for a new K5 self-propelled gun. That is, more than 5-6 times more.

[kirieeleyson]

The Finns have always been one of the most combat-ready and technically equipped armies in Europe. Given the difficult history of the neighborhood with the USSR, it is understandable why. I think if the Finns lock up 2 isthmuses and take control of 2 sections of the border with Sweden and Norway (it’s easy enough to defend there, due to the lack of plains) with relatively small forces, the NATO army can break its teeth. If there is good military air defense, then the sky will be locked up. And the plot over the Finns is strategic. Perhaps this is partly why the NATO saliva choke in the hope of getting the Finns in their squad.

[midivan]

Quote: razmik72

Why do the Finns have so many weapons?

so they gathered in kind, probably for compliance

[Simple]

Quote: kirieeleyson

Hyacinth replacement, although where are they from,

carnations (2S1 Gvozdika)

Yesterday reported that the Ministry of Defense of Finland started negotiations with South Korean company Samsung Techwin on purchasing howitzers K9 Thunder:
Finland will replace Soviet howitzers Gvozdika with Korean K9 Thunder




Poles liked "thunder"

The Polish company Huta Stalowa Wola (HSW) demonstrated the first prototype of the "updated" 24-mm / 155 self-propelled howitzer Krab, which was rolled out on August 52, now based on the chassis of the South Korean self-propelled howitzer K9 Thunder. NSW signed a contract worth KRW 2014 billion (about $ 310 million) in December 300 with the South Korean association Samsung Techwin for the supply of 120 chassis (with armored hulls and engine transmission units with German MTU-881 KA 500 1000 hp diesel engines). ) produced by the latest K9 Thunder self-propelled guns to build on their base the Krab self-propelled guns for the Polish army.


The state concern "Ukroboronprom" is also going with the Poles (going to!) launch a self-propelled 155mm howitzer on the Oplot tank chassis

[Primipilus]

Not a bad choice. Although in the days of the USSR, the Finns often bought our weapons, why now refuse?

[KBR109]

Well, compare the performance characteristics of the same MSTA M2 2012. and this machine 98-99gg. All questions will disappear on their own. The trouble is with the ammunition.

[Simple]

Quote: Primipilus

why now refuse?

"You have goods, we have a merchant."
So something does not suit you.
Are we driving Korean cars?


The Finnish army is currently undergoing a rearmament process, however, the Finnish military still holds the Soviet classic.

Finnish self-propelled artillery consists exclusively from 2S1 “Carnation”, 122-mm regimental self-propelled howitzers. "Carnation", which the Finns call "PsH 74", in the Finnish army there are 36 pieces.

Suomi anti-aircraft artillery is still dominated by the Soviet ZU-23-2 "Sergei" (more than 900 pieces), despite the purchases in the early 2000s of the Swiss Oerlikon GDF and several British Marksman complexes from 2015

Quote: sanya.vorodis

They seem to have soaped themselves in NATO, our weapons are not kosher to them!

They are unlikely to go to NATO. The alliance with Germany (Axis) in 2MB I think weaned them from such jokes.
In 3 MV for such "NATO" neither Karelia nor reparations will Suomi get off. They understand this.
And we understand that NATO in the visibility zone of Murmansk we do not need FIG
kosher (nato) not kosher (we) judge for yourself
NATO

KOREA:



WE:

[Maksus]

So they have a lot of their own - Patria, XM-180, AMOS. Of the tanks they brought Leopards to themselves, our T-72M are already old. Yes, and self-propelled guns, something we can’t see — the Coalition is 152 mm, and the little things (120-130 mm) aren’t new yet, Zauraltsa would have to wait.

[Vadim237]

We have new artillery ammunition, and indeed all the rest - is also not visible.

[Abbra]

All this is good. But who are they going to shoot at?

[demiurg]

Quote: Primipilus

Not a bad choice. Although in the days of the USSR, the Finns often bought our weapons, why now refuse?

In order not to be attached to 152mm. In addition, the 155mm has a very rich selection of ammunition. And note, they buy self-propelled guns from a non-aligned country, that is, 100% that they take the best.
Finns well done. They buy what they consider necessary, and not what their big brother is trying to do, no matter who he is, Russia or America. This is a plus of neutrality, the army is made for its needs, and not the defense of the mythical flank of the alliance or not under the deployment of the armed forces of another country.

[Evil 55]

The unification of armaments with NATO speaks of far-reaching militaristic plans of Finland .. Well, let's see who-where with ... al ...

[Simple]

Quote: Angry 55

Arms unification with NATO speaks of far-reaching militaristic plans of Finland

What militaristic plans can a country with 5 million population have (equal to the number of inhabitants in St. Petersburg)?
need "unification" take
2С19М1-155 with 155-mm / 52 class. artillery gun MZ-158 (Object 360 “Uninhabitable-155” Developer of the artillery unit of the Design Bureau of OJSC Motovilikhinsky Plants.);

High-explosive fragmentation shells HE M1A4 and HE BB M1A4 and other 155-mm NATO standard shots at a range of up to 40000 m are fired. It is possible to use Krasnopol-M guided projectiles with laser illumination.
and shoot

Shooting range, km:
• high-explosive fragmentation shells L15A1 –30;
• high-explosive fragmentation shells with gas generator ERFB BB - 40;
• guided artillery shell "Krasnopol-M" - 20.

When integrated with satellite navigation equipment, the ASUNO-155 provides:
• topographic and geodetic reference and navigation with initial orientation, determination of current coordinates;
• automated exchange of information with control machines;
• autonomous calculation of installations for firing;
• automatic aimless guidance of the gun and restoration of aiming after a shot;
• accounting for changes in the initial velocity of the projectile.

[320423]

To be honest, the article was struck by another number of self-propelled guns in Korea (in total, from 1999 to 2014, the South Korean army received 1136 self-propelled guns K9), for comparison, in the net I found the number of new self-propelled guns PzH 2000 in Germany - 173 pcs. Yes, normally South Koreans armed themselves and by the way, according to the wiki in Russia, only 600 Msta-s. These are the pies

[berezin1987]

It is necessary to quickly establish the production of the coalition-sv and replace it with obsolete acacia, hyacinths and cloves in order to unify the park.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Strange, why did the Swedish Archer not please them? And the Swedes are kind of like brothers to them, and Archer is the fastest howitzer, and here you go, "karyachi Fiin guys" were drawn to the exotic.

[Herman]

Probably they needed a sau on the tracks, for motorized infantry and tank brigades,
Maybe then they will replace Archer with their towed m-83.

[Simple]

Quote: Mikhail Krapivin

Strange, but why did the Swedish Archer not please them?

price