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Tomorrow for the war in the Donbass: “calm” or is it “wind”?

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Writing about Donbass was not easy. More precisely, it became difficult to write about the Donbass last year. Too much negativity was raised against many fairly famous people. For some, it’s quite fair. Too many of those with weapons in the hands began to fight, just left. Some are loud. And most just left, that's all. They had no place in the new republican army. Their combat experience turned out to be useless. But political views have become harmful to the republics.



This applies not only to volunteers who went under the bullets to protect peaceful citizens of Donbass from the Nazis. This also applies to whole units and subdivisions that were widely heard in the Donbas, in Ukraine, and in Russia. Entire brigades, companies, battalions disappeared ...

With some of the former militia (let me keep the old name), we have communicated and communicate until now. Overwhelmingly, these are people of high morality and honor. Not marauders, not lovers of the long ruble, not bandits and criminals. They genuinely wanted to help. Just because they had combat experience, they knew firsthand what war was. These people knew how many lives the acquisition of combat skills in a real battle would cost.

The second week in the Donbass blood is shed again. Press services on both sides report each other being cunning. About unwillingness to comply with the Minsk Agreement. Both sides successfully repel attacks. Successfully pushing the enemy to previously occupied positions. Successfully go on the counteroffensive. Fight to the fullest.

I am reading a summary of the beginning of the day 6 July. DNR 440 once MAT violated the agreement. Kuybyshevsky, Kirovsky, Petrovsky districts of Donetsk are fired. Airport and Staromikhaylovka. In the south, Dokuchaevsk, Sakhanka, Novolasp, Kominternovo, Gorlovka, Yasinovataya, Zaitsevo, Vasilyevka, Spartak, Zhabichevo, Mikhaylovka ...

What's this? Is it an individual shootout? Or the commanders of the APU and the National Guard under deliberately give orders? And the performance of Poroshenko in Slavyansk? How to evaluate it? Let me remind you that the president of Ukraine for the first time called the ATO a “patriotic war.”

“We can rightly consider those July days as a crucial, turning point in the revival of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, because it was then that the Armed Forces of Ukraine passed their first military exam in this truly national war.”

But I wanted to take on this material after one interesting conversation. Talking with a man who a year ago was quite famous among the militia. The man who returned his cross to Zakharchenko’s headquarters and left. By the way, exactly the same thing was done by many “Oriental”.

The fact is that as soon as it became "hot", it turned out that the positions of the Republicans were mostly defended by the unstripped soldiers. Those that came into the army after the active phase of the fighting. Those for whom military service is more a way to make money.

Remember the recent attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Debaltseve? When not only a roadblock, but also the main positions of the Republican army were crushed quickly and without much loss among the Ukrainians. When, instead of defense, the soldiers of the army corps successfully “showed heels” to the enemy. It is doubtful that if there was an order, the APU would have stopped so quickly. Just success, in my opinion, stunned the Ukrainian warriors themselves. Including staff officers.

Some messages look the same way. Like "Ukrainian military captured the fighters of the DPR army sleeping in positions under Shirokino." And all this is supported by video interrogation of these fighters. Similarly, they posted a video about the seizure of the “Anthill” near Debaltseve. However, as always, ukroSMI is not aware of some things that are obvious to Russians, therefore, they captured “two passports of Russian lieutenants”.

So, as it turned out, according to the interlocutor, some of his comrades were called by friends from that side. And, without really insisting, they “probed the ground” on the issue of returning Republicans to the army to the same positions they had been before their departure.

To believe or not to believe this message is the business of each of us. It is possible that the conversation was private. And the proposal was just a wish to return those days when comrades fought in the same positions, ate out of one pot, saved each other from enemy bullets and mines. Another thing is important. It is important that the military aggravation showed short-sightedness of the Donetsk governments and leaders of the republics in the conduct of military reforms.

And if more precisely and, most importantly, impartial, complete incompetent.

It is doubtful that one of the Russians today will return to the Donbass. Too fresh unpleasant memories of the attitude towards them. But there is a huge number of Ukrainian citizens thrown out of the army. Discarded as useless. Moreover, the whole units.

Where are they today? And they "Gaster" in Russia. They guard gas stations in Donetsk or ATMs in Alchevsk. They are in place. From a simple soldier to the commanders of units. Not just sergeants and soldiers. Officers, including senior ones. People who in the most difficult days for the republics took up arms. People whose combat experience did not appear in the civil war in Ukraine, but much earlier.

Today it is clear that the fighting will continue at least until the end of the NATO summit in Warsaw. Ukraine needs to "score points" in the eyes of Europeans as a "defender of Western civilization" from "Asian barbarians." Ukraine needs not only money, but also weapons and ammunition. "Soviet" stocks are melting fast. Therefore, those that remained in the arsenals of the new NATO states are necessary.

So again there will be attacks. There will be shelling. There will be skirmishes. And again the silliest explanations of the retreats. Untreated soldiers in the republics, in which war has become the norm over the years, will die again. And again they will bury civilians.

Once, not so long ago, we were reproached with some bias towards military construction in the republics. It seems to us that the time has come when it became really visible all the positive and negative aspects of the reform. Hope for "vacationers" today is not enough. Yes, and those that are expelled, it seems to us, are not eager to return.

And “Somalia” with the heroic battalion commander Givi cannot “save” everyone.
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  1. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 7 July 2016 06: 16
    +1
    According to the Donetsk-ukrovoyaki, they are eager to fight. Either they forgot the lesson, or that call was a demo ... well, they buried in short, so that there were no students left. They plan to carry out everything quickly so that we don’t have time to react. Well, I’ll have to repeat it. .
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 7 July 2016 07: 07
      +34
      Quote: dmi.pris
      They plan to carry out everything quickly, so that ours do not have time to react. Well, what, have to repeat ..

      And if they succeed, and not ours? You cannot be so self-confident in war.
      Self-confidence has repeatedly failed ukrov, the last time that the Debaltsevo ledge, which they considered a springboard for the offensive, turned into a cauldron. But, in the future, Ukrainians may not give such chances.
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 7 July 2016 07: 18
        +9
        ... Ukrainians may not give such chances ...

        And they are not going to be compared, who will leave whom more chances to win. The Ukrainian Armed Forces have "teachers", pass on the experience of "attack" on the scorched earth. Artillery equalizes residential areas of Donetsk and Lugansk agglomerations negative
        The result of shelling by punishers of Makarenko Donetsk street:
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 July 2016 08: 44
        +3
        Remember the recent attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Debaltseve? When not only a roadblock, but also the main positions of the Republican army were crushed quickly and without much loss among the Ukrainians. When, instead of defense, the soldiers of the army corps successfully “showed heels” to the enemy. It is doubtful that if there was an order, the APU would have stopped so quickly. Just success, in my opinion, stunned the Ukrainian warriors themselves. Including staff officers.
        Already many spoke from there what was there. 30 people in the front position showed their heels. And that they had to stupidly die. Well, they moved away, the reserves approached and the APU grabbed and dumped into their positions.
        It is not clear why to build a tragedy from this.

        e. It is important that the military aggravation showed the short-sightedness of the Donetsk governments and republic leaders in carrying out military reforms.
        He smiled, always eternally dissatisfied. One person spoke on the phone and conclusions were drawn.
        They also told me a lot recently, everything was in a different light.


        So again there will be attacks. There will be shelling. There will be hassles. And again the stupid explanations of the retreats. All lost. Putinsill.
        1. domokl
          domokl 7 July 2016 08: 52
          +13
          The checkpoint is not a position .. A prepared line of defense? In general, your Sanya has an interesting attitude in military service, especially in war. And what should a soldier do if superior enemy forces attack him? Run to your superior forces? Oh well...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 July 2016 08: 58
            +12
            Quote: domokl
            ..A prepared line of defense?

            Sanya, how many people were there and with what weapons? They went tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and horseradish cloud of infantry. What should they do?
            Quote: domokl
            But what should a soldier do if superior enemy forces attack him?

            The main task is to win! The result of this battle, then they retreated and knocked out the APU. APU goals have not been reached. They didn’t give a meter of land. What’s wrong. Or is the soldier’s life nothing?

            In general, you took a good position, if they had not departed and all 30 died. You would have probably written that stupid commanders stupidly killed 30 fighters. And they left, as they dared to drape.
            I, like you, do not know all the details of the battle, but I know one thing. Every day, at the cost of their lives, the fighters hold the defense. And they are honored and praised for this!
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            2. domokl
              domokl 7 July 2016 10: 00
              +12
              I looked through the sources quite seriously from either side ... Honestly, we would have driven the Republicans to the APU further. There was simply no such order. Therefore, decent losses on the move. It was a war for the sake of war. No more.
              You imagine what is prepared. I repeat the prepared line of defense? This is not a checkpoint. This is an engineering structure capable of protecting a fighter not only from bullets and mines, but also from shells. Including groats. And ideally, from an air raid. And 30 people would be able to keep the battalion group in the open field for quite some time. at least until the approach of the main forces.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 7 July 2016 10: 15
                +1
                Quote: domokl
                ... Honestly, they would have driven the Republican APU further.

                Yeah, they've already driven Republicans twice. The first time they drove to Illovaisk, the second time to Debaltseve.
                Quote: domokl
                . There was simply no such order

                Do you have a source at the headquarters of the APU?
                Quote: domokl
                .And 30 people would have been able to keep the battalion group in the open field for quite some time

                I can’t understand if, if only. Well, would they die there, would you feel better? What would you write now, Eternal memory to the heroes?
                And if you carefully looked at the sources, you should know that there was no special forces there.
              2. zaboyschik
                zaboyschik 8 July 2016 08: 22
                0
                The absolute truth, the same as. I drank it for three days. After digging trenches for shooting while standing from a horse))) And there was no shortage of such amateurs))) My friend once said "they like to dig trenches"
            3. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 7 July 2016 10: 39
              +5
              Russia needs to better equip its proxy territory.
              Armament, equipment, ammunition, fuel, etc., etc. - all this comes from Russia. Previously, it was not customary to talk like that, then they began to talk about it, but today it is already obvious.

              DLNR is a project that Russia pays and dances.
              Of course, the people who live there in these territories (LPR / DPR) are already tired of the status of the buffer zone between the Armed Forces and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Initially, the Novorossiya project was conceived as a spontaneous project which, by its appearance, will grow in new areas, and Ukraine will sprinkle like a house of cards. Indeed, if only a couple of oblasts (say Kharkov, Kherson) and the Armed Forces of Ukraine could not have any influence on the situation, for there would simply not be so many soldiers and equipment. I would have to come to terms with this and sign a peace treaty. Or the NATO would have to help.

              But Novorossia did not work out - it turned out DLNR. Because, on the other side, reconnaissance also works predominantly Western, and also doesn’t eat its bread in vain.
              And how the Russian DLNR project should be fully equipped on the part of Russia, if somewhere there are some problems, this is already a Russian cant.

              PS
              The whole situation around the separation of certain regions from Ukraine is the punishment by Russia of a new (undoubtedly probing) regime that came to power illegally, and wanted to break the foundations that were laid many years ago, and a sharp relocation of the neighboring state to the US sphere of interests.
              1. Al1977
                Al1977 7 July 2016 10: 55
                -2
                Quote: _Vladislav_
                Armament, equipment, ammunition, fuel, etc., etc. - all this comes from Russia.

                Why is there not a single confirmation of this? All NATO can not show anything ... well, except for you. Where does the information come from? Had a dream?
                If ours were there, there would be peace and quiet.
                There is a heroic and persistent people fighting for their lives against the Nazis. Our help is only humanitarian aid.
                In a decent society, it is customary to back up words with facts.
                1. _Vladislav_
                  _Vladislav_ 7 July 2016 11: 15
                  +5
                  Quote: Al1977
                  If ours were there, there would be peace and quiet.

                  ours are not there, but weapons and equipment, ammunition and fuel - of course there are.
                  the entire DLNR project speaks of a high degree of organization from outside, from where it is already clear
                  Quote: Al1977
                  Why is there not a single confirmation of this? All NATO can not show anything ... well, except for you. Where does the information come from? Had a dream?

                  Wake up and sing. For the second year now, the West has been repeating the same idea to you - Russian troops in the Donbass, well, of course, there are not regular troops in full force, but military assistance. Jen Psaki brought you this idea (God grant her health, let him go to work soon and please us with his thoughts). And you are asking me for some kind of confirmation. The State Department has long been in the know. It’s just that today they’ve put up with it. Since the West understood the priorities of Russia and realized that it would not back down.
                  Quote: Al1977
                  Our help is only humanitarian aid.

                  This legend worked at the initial stage of the war, when humanitarian aid crossed the border controlled by Ukraine, then remember the ceremonies were held for the inspection of the convoy, they wanted to change the numbers to Ukrainian. Well, they once parted the ceremony, realized that they were tired, and now everything is going across the border of the DLNR and Russia.

                  Quote: Al1977
                  There is a heroic and persistent people fighting for their lives against the Nazis.

                  Heroic people, I do not argue. One two, well, three people who will fight. And you need to put at least 1000 people under arms (and today this figure is already bigger), give them weapons, dress, feed, train, hand out flags to symbols, explain tactics, and outline strategic directions.

                  So in order for this to work out, it is necessary that in the early days of the former tractor drivers and miners not be killed. That is, to hold back the first blow. By the way, the Ukrainian Air Force was very well restrained by Russian air defense systems, I draw your attention to the fact that today ukroaviation does not fly in the zone of the so-called ATO.

                  Quote: Al1977
                  There is a heroic and persistent people fighting for their lives against the Nazis. Our help is only humanitarian aid.

                  This is if you are a zombie and do not know how and do not want to.
                  1. Al1977
                    Al1977 7 July 2016 11: 41
                    +1
                    ours are not there, but weapons and equipment, ammunition and fuel - of course there are.

                    I did not see any evidence. I personally spoke with a man from Donetsk, who said that they allocated money to buy tanks from dill. 500 euros per tank.
                    That's all the "Russian power". Or provide evidence to the contrary.
                    For the second year in a row, the West has been repeating the same idea to you - Russian troops in the Donbass

                    Is it so or not? Why, then, does the West not say so "there are only weapons." You yourself say, ours are not there.
                    Heroic people, I do not argue. One two, well, three people who will fight.

                    Well, of course there are not regular troops in full force, but military assistance

                    What a contradiction. Local two or three, ours are not. And what kind of military power then?
                    What do you walk around the bush. If we supply weapons, then why there is no evidence of photo-video, why do we hide it, if it is for good deeds?
                    Who fights there, if there are "two or three" locals.
                    By the way, the Ukrainian Air Force was very well restrained by Russian air defense systems

                    Yes, we read these tales about BEECH. Our Beeches are not there and were not. You still say that the Boeing militia shot down.
                    Continuous speculation and accusations. Give the facts, and then blame.
                    1. _Vladislav_
                      _Vladislav_ 7 July 2016 14: 12
                      +1
                      Quote: Al1977
                      I personally spoke with a man from Donetsk, who said that they allocated money to buy tanks from dill. 500 euros per tank.
                      That's all the "Russian power". Or provide evidence to the contrary.

                      And why should I believe that the person with whom you spoke was not a talker, or that you did not invent this story with a human being and 500 euros per tank.
                      Calling for evidence himself you can’t operate on her. And I talked with Barack Obama - do you believe me? Something like that.
                      Quote: Al1977
                      If we supply weapons, then why there is no evidence of photo-video, why do we hide it, if it is for good deeds?

                      And the Americans demonstrated photos and videos more than once or twice, officials on the Russian side interpreted this as photoshop. And where is the guarantee that this is not Photoshop.
                      Quote: Al1977
                      Who fights there, if there are "two or three" locals.

                      Read carefully what I wrote above, I never said that two or three local people are fighting there.
                      Quote: Al1977
                      Yes, we read these tales about BEECH. Our Beeches are not there and were not. You still say that the Boeing militia shot down.
                      Continuous speculation and accusations. Give the facts, and then blame.

                      Ours simply was not profitable to shoot down a Boeing. It is a fact. There are no more Ukrainian aviation in the anti-terrorist operation zone and this is a fact. It works not only MANPADS on low-flying targets but also air defense of the middle hand, possibly Buki.
                      APU does not use such an important and significant trump card as aviation. Aviation is an essential argument that was used at the beginning of the war. Then the planes rained down. Well MANPADS, in principle, the thing is not tricky, and you and I can correctly apply it. But, at heights above 3000, the MANPADS will not be available. It would seem to fly like a bomb just like we are in Syria. The Armed Forces of Ukraine has such an opportunity, but aviation does not work. They knock her down. Air defense of the middle hand works. Moreover, for the successful use of the complex, let's say Buk needs the modern detection tools and competent specialists.
                      Quote: Al1977
                      Give the facts, and then blame.

                      Counteroffer.
                      1. Al1977
                        Al1977 7 July 2016 14: 51
                        -2
                        And the Americans demonstrated photos and videos more than once or twice, officials on the Russian side interpreted this as photoshop.

                        There are specialists and technicians who will distinguish photoshop. The question is different. There is NO normal evidence ... not even Photoshop. They are just stupidly not. And this is taking into account satellites and other intelligence. What, is it difficult for a little man to hide and snap off a column with a camera? Have you seen such photos? I personally do not.
                        There is either an agreement with the West or something else ...
                        But I am not saying that your point of view is not logical. Very logical. Otherwise, why would the West negotiate with Moscow. Otherwise, there would be no Minsk meetings.
                        And what does the word "Our position on Ukraine" mean then?
                        But there are no facts, I repeat.
                        Ours simply was not profitable to shoot down a Boeing. It is a fact.

                        What does it have to do with it? And if a mistake? There have been no such cases in history ???
                        And what about Strelkov’s words quickly deleted from VK about a falling plane? Forgot dramatically?
                        But I believe that this is a mistake, the mistake of Ukrainians. And they try to blame on ours.
                        And not the use of aviation can be caused by various factors, including MANPADS, and simply could agree on a human basis. They could be asked by the West not to do this, it would cast a shadow in the West.
                      2. _Vladislav_
                        _Vladislav_ 7 July 2016 15: 20
                        +3
                        Quote: Al1977
                        And not the use of aviation can be caused by various factors

                        the main factor is air defense, MANPADS is helicopters, Drying flying at an altitude of 3000 MANPADS is intrepid. But Buk is another matter, the actions of Ukrainian aviation have been sharply paralyzed since the beginning of summer 2014. How? As yesterday's tractor drivers and miners were able to organize this, they all have a higher military education. And air defense is not even artillery, it is a very complex science.
                        According to the official confirmed According to data, losses in aviation for the summer of 2014 UkroVVS amounted to: 1 - An-30, 1 - An-26, 1 - Il-76, 2 - Su-24, 2 - MiG-29, 4 - Su-25, helicopters 3 - Mi -8 and 4 - Mi-24 and two Tu-143 jet unmanned aerial vehicles. And all this in a short period of time. Sufficient reason to suspend aviation flights in the conflict zone.
                        And there is still unconfirmed data where the loss coefficient is much higher.
                      3. Al1977
                        Al1977 7 July 2016 16: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: _Vladislav_
                        How yesterday's tractor drivers and miners were able to organize this,

                        We speak in different planes. You are in terms of logic, I am in terms of facts.
                        From the point of view of logic, in general, this conflict is not very clear to me.
                        All these "Obama wants to destroy Russia" will be postponed for .... another audience.
                        But in terms of facts ... I have many questions. What are we arguing about?
                        NATO has not recorded a single confirmation of the downing of aircraft by Russian air defense systems. This does not exclude Russia, it only says that there is no evidence. So this is not a FACT.
                      4. _Vladislav_
                        _Vladislav_ 7 July 2016 19: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Al1977
                        You are in terms of logic, I am in terms of facts.

                        I did not see you a single fact, only speculation. Your opinion - Russia does not help Donbass with weapons and ammunition. All. The facts are again zero.
                        Quote: Al1977
                        NATO has not recorded a single confirmation of the downing of aircraft by Russian air defense systems.

                        Air defense systems which were shot down ukroVVS-exclusively Soviet. From the territory of Donbass. At medium altitudes MANPADS does not work, in the Donbass there are no specialists in the management and non-introduction of secondary air defense.
                      5. Al1977
                        Al1977 8 July 2016 09: 54
                        0
                        I did not see you a single fact, only speculation. Your opinion - Russia does not help Donbass with weapons and ammunition. All. The facts are again zero.

                        Why should you show the facts that there is NOT a SINGLE proof of the crossing of Russian troops. Yes, all the Western media would have written if there were facts, but our "this is not true" would have unwound to smithereens .... But no .. silence .. Well, either give a link here to the contrary.
                        Air defense systems which were shot down ukroVVS-exclusively Soviet. From the territory of Donbass. At medium altitudes MANPADS does not work, in the Donbass there are no specialists in the management and non-introduction of secondary air defense.

                        I did not hear either from Poroshenko or from the west that Russia was shooting down Ukrainian planes. And why these air defense systems could not be bought in Ukraine and not used by mercenaries who can use it. No one talks about miners, but there are plenty of mercenaries and volunteers. At the call of the heart, or having seen enough of Solovyov, or went for the ruble .. In hot spots it’s always like that. Why Moscow, I can’t understand you.
                      6. Varangian22
                        Varangian22 7 July 2016 23: 13
                        +1
                        "Drying MANPADS flying at an altitude of 3000 is not scary" Yes, they here in 2014 did not bother to fly so high, because these are the results.
                      7. Phosgene
                        Phosgene 9 July 2016 05: 15
                        +1
                        The launch height of the Stinger MANPADS is 5500 meters.
                      8. thorns
                        thorns 8 July 2016 00: 06
                        0
                        Quote: Al1977

                        Al1977
                        (3)

                        Today, 14: 51

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                        The Americans demonstrated photos and videos more than once or twice, officials on the Russian side interpreted this as Photoshop, there are specialists and technicians who will distinguish Photoshop. The question is different. There is NO normal evidence ... not even Photoshop. They are just stupidly not. And this is taking into account satellites and other intelligence. What, is it difficult for a little man to hide and snap off a column with a camera? Have you seen such photos? I personally do not.

                        Or maybe there is normal evidence, just having a signature stamp? And are there little men with a camera having agent pseudonyms whose activities are not to be publicized?
                      9. Al1977
                        Al1977 8 July 2016 09: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: Thorn
                        Or maybe there is normal evidence, just having a signature stamp? And are there little men with a camera having agent pseudonyms whose activities are not to be publicized?

                        And who needs these facts if there is no one to present them?
                        You want to say that the United States has normal facts, and they instead slip the psaki? Where is the logic?
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                      11. Stas157
                        Stas157 7 July 2016 22: 13
                        +2
                        Quote: _Vladislav_
                        But, at heights above 3000, the MANPADS will not be available.

                        Up to 4500 will get it.

                        Quote: _Vladislav_
                        It would seem to fly like a bomb just like we are in Syria. APU has such an opportunity

                        The APU does not have such an opportunity. Neither precision weapons nor the Hephaestus system on airplanes.
                    2. DimerVladimer
                      DimerVladimer 7 July 2016 16: 38
                      -4
                      You still say that the Boeing militia shot down.

                      Who? %)
                      Not - dill brought down a Boeing - aimed at his attack aircraft, but got into a Boeing ...
                      1. Al1977
                        Al1977 7 July 2016 16: 50
                        0
                        Quote: DimerVladimer
                        Who? %)
                        Not - dill brought down a Boeing - aimed at his attack aircraft, but got into a Boeing ...

                        Why in your attack aircraft. In our.
                        They were preparing for the invasion of Russia. The transfer of forces to the southern border gave rise to ticks. And it was precisely for protection against the videoconferencing that the Bukami exercises went.
                        Why do you dislike this version?
                  2. Egor-dis
                    Egor-dis 7 July 2016 14: 07
                    +5
                    Quote: _Vladislav_
                    For the second year in a row, the West has been repeating to you the same idea - Russian troops in the Donbass, well, of course there are not regular troops in full force, but military assistance. Jen Psaki brought you this idea (God grant her health, let him go to work soon and please us with his thoughts). And you are asking me for some kind of confirmation. The State Department has long been in the know.
                    Oh yeah! The West speaks! He, this "West" also spoke about nuclear weapons from Saddam Hussein. And he shook a test tube with washing powder. And the link to Psaki is generally enchanting! Is that how you troll? So psaki and refugees from Donbass called tourists who went to grandmothers in Russia. Will we also believe?
                    Where Russian troops are, this is really visible. Syria is an example of this. It is visible to everyone, and everyone knows. And the fact that the volunteers from Russia fought in LDP, so from the Ukrainian side they generally came from the entire NATO bloc, and Gunpowder allowed them to do so by law. So, with this logic, the LDNR army is opposed to international intervention.
                    And Russia really helps with humanitarian aid. Well, money is likely. If only because, transfer money to buy at 500 euros per tank (as voiced by a friend Al1977), cheaper, faster and less pale than to drive it through the whole of Russia and then quietly drag it across the border.
                    And then, even if Russia really helped with weapons, why can the Syrian opposition be supplied to the states, but not everyone else?
                    1. _Vladislav_
                      _Vladislav_ 7 July 2016 14: 20
                      +3
                      Quote: Egor-dis
                      And then, even if Russia really helped with weapons, why can the Syrian opposition be supplied to the states, but not everyone else?

                      I agree. It is possible and necessary. I am for both hands.
                      Quote: Egor-dis
                      Oh yeah! The West speaks! He, this "West" also spoke about nuclear weapons from Saddam Hussein.

                      Propaganda is a two-way movement, and from our side it is also from their side.
                      Each side captivates separated moments, because television is not only an attack, but also a defense.

                      It’s just that you don’t have to haw everything as it is, but to think with your head what logical can and cannot be.
                      As for Saddam, they searched for weapons of mass destruction there, in the form of chemical weapons. They didn’t find any pierced, Colin Powell shook the test tube in vain.
                      Quote: Egor-dis
                      quietly drag across the border.

                      On the quiet it’s like, at night, so that the neighbors don’t hear.
                      The length of the Lugansk border is about 400 km, I don’t want to drag it.
                      1. Al1977
                        Al1977 7 July 2016 15: 18
                        0
                        Quote: _Vladislav_
                        because television is not only an attack, but also a defense.

                        Our television is defending from someone?)))) Seriously?)))
                        In other words, our people analyze the Western press every morning, read the New York Times there ... And now our TV is defending itself from this?)))) It's funny.
                        All that can be learned on TV about life in Europe and the USA is that there is HELL, and here is PARADISE.
                        There is no defense. There is a statement of facts, even often true ones, in the interpretation of "political scientists" who explain all the decisions of our government in terms of genius. All our mistakes and miscalculations are "multi-moves". That's all. There is no confrontation with the West on TV. Since the population of 80% watches only the first and second channels and does not speak languages.
                      2. _Vladislav_
                        _Vladislav_ 7 July 2016 15: 36
                        +3
                        Quote: Al1977
                        TV defends itself from this?)))) It's funny.

                        It is also funny as a heart attack.
                        Television is not a statement of facts - your facts do not interest anyone. Interested in a plot that will be political directed against those-and-such-and-such. A selection of material is being carried out which will be presented as a brand, but in fact it may be a marriage.
                        TV is a manipulation of the minds of the crowd, in this regard, the possibilities of the Western media are much wider, firstly, a large number of countries are their supporters, and secondly, the possibilities of telecommunications are greater and higher. Therefore, our TV is still playing on the defensive.

                        The secretary of the State Department at a briefing gave some thought, right there, a command was given to pro-Western media, everyone picked up and started covering this information in their countries. Public opinion is thus formed during the day. A day later, the information is undeniable in the minds of the population of these countries, and now they are ready to make a complaint to you. You just have to make excuses. And nobody cares how it really was, for a long time nobody cares, in the media today - the truth is the lot of the weak, the strong form public opinion. What for? Just because they can do that, and that gives them an edge.

                        TV is a weapon of mass destruction.
                        Quote: Al1977
                        Since the population of 80% watches only the first and second channels and does not speak languages.

                        You have a very bad opinion about our population. Do you consider the population of Russia complete degenerates? I have more than 100 channels including CNN BBC EuroNews - everything is in Russian. Look I do not want. In all regional centers, cable or digital broadcasting has long been developed and is widely used, and by no means an expensive pleasure.

                        If you are watching only the First and Second, I congratulate you.
                      3. Al1977
                        Al1977 7 July 2016 16: 02
                        0
                        TV is the manipulation of the minds of the crowd

                        I agree.
                        Therefore, our TV is still playing on the defensive.

                        I didn’t catch the connection. And who then attacks the minds of our population.
                        Not a complicated Google search, you can understand that the top-rated channels on TV ...
                        CNN ???? Not!!!! 1st and 2nd channel. Do you disagree with this?
                        An object, a person watching TV in Russia, is attacked by the media, in order to develop a certain worldview. And who is attacking here is easy to understand by people's moods, ratings of politicians, etc.
                        I don’t understand what we are arguing about.
                        You have a very bad opinion about our population.

                        Quite the opposite. It makes no sense for our population to watch Western media. What should they see there? But our media, on the contrary, is, they will perfectly explain why "it is so good to live in the country of the Soviets." So do not attribute to me thoughts that I did not express.
                      4. Al1977
                        Al1977 7 July 2016 16: 05
                        0
                        Quote: _Vladislav_
                        You just have to make excuses.

                        You described a classic example of trolling. You are told stupidity, and you have to make excuses. I'm not sure that ours are so stupid, and there are only trolls.
                        "The world is not simple, not at all simple ..." as the song sung.
                      5. _Vladislav_
                        _Vladislav_ 7 July 2016 19: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Al1977
                        "The world is not simple, not at all simple ..." as the song sung.

                        In general, the topic is interesting and deep. I want to say a lot to write. Time is just not really ...
                        So, still talk.
                      6. Al1977
                        Al1977 8 July 2016 10: 02
                        0
                        Quote: _Vladislav_
                        In general, the topic is interesting and deep. I want to say a lot to write. Time is just not really ...
                        So, still talk.

                        With pleasure.
                      7. Al1977
                        Al1977 8 July 2016 10: 06
                        0
                        Quote: _Vladislav_
                        If you are watching only the First and Second, I congratulate you.

                        laughing
                        Exclusively Solovyov-Kiselev-Tolstoy)))))
                        But what about your "Do you consider the population of Russia to be complete degenerates?"))))
                        Not that you don’t trust such reputable and rated channels that say GOVERNMENTAL, that is, the official point of view?)))
                    2. Al1977
                      Al1977 7 July 2016 15: 13
                      +1
                      Quote: Egor-dis
                      And then, even if Russia really helped with weapons, why can the Syrian opposition be supplied to the states, but not everyone else?

                      And why make this a terrible secret? Are we scared of someone? Whose opinion is it?
                      The people of Russia will only approve it, the ratings of the president will immediately creep up ...
                      And for some reason this does not happen ...
                2. Absurdidat
                  Absurdidat 8 July 2016 02: 43
                  0
                  Al1977, there are thousands of facts in Russia, and even now "a little" in the LPNR. ))
                  1. Al1977
                    Al1977 8 July 2016 10: 08
                    0
                    Quote: Absurdidat
                    Al1977, there are thousands of facts in Russia, and even now "a little" in the LPNR. ))

                    "Not caught, not a thief"
                    And then you're talking about volunteers? It's about the Russian army. Volunteers are not members of the Russian Armed Forces.
              2. g1v2
                g1v2 7 July 2016 11: 29
                +4
                Interestingly, are you tired of inventing cunning plans for the Kremlin? In the fall of 2014, our media called all the unrest in the southeast of Ukraine - the movement for the federalization of Ukraine. The Minsk agreements speak of this very federalization, they only call it decentralization, although it is one and the same. Our authorities have never announced their intention to separate Novorossia from the rest of Ukraine. Speech on the separation of LDNR from Ukraine was also not conducted. It was about the autonomy of the southeast as part of Ukraine as a single territory of New Russia or in regions. In principle, what is written in the Minsk Agreements is what the Russian Federation originally wanted. request
                By the beginning of the war in the Donbass Kremlin, it is already clear that it had no relationship. Shooters frankly lied and let the fog into which we all bought under the influence of the annexation of Crimea. They invented all kinds of hpp. After the downing of a Boeing, the Kremlin realized that it would not work to stay away and conducted an operation to force peace number 2. The result is Minsk agreements and delimitation of the parties. Inside the republics, reformatting from the separatist movement into a movement for the struggle of the Russian population of Ukraine for federalization and the rights of the Russian population began. I personally have not heard speeches about the official separation from GDP. belay THIS IS REALITY.
                At the same time, I personally still hope that Ukraine will fall apart and return completely to Russia, but this is my personal wish. The Kremlin hasn’t announced anything yet. hi
                1. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 7 July 2016 12: 11
                  0
                  Completely, probably, is not necessary. Only those territories whose residents want to enter the Russian Federation.
                  1. Al1977
                    Al1977 7 July 2016 15: 25
                    +2
                    Quote: Sergej1972
                    You probably don’t need all of them. Only those territories whose residents want to enter the Russian Federation.

                    Already want to. Locals only talk about life with Russia, and not with Ukraine.
                    The question is how this will affect Russia.
                    When the submarine sinks, the compartments close. For the safety of the rest. No one there says that it is necessary to open all the hatches for all of their own. So the whole boat will sink.
                2. Al1977
                  Al1977 7 July 2016 15: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: g1v2
                  Our authorities have never announced their intention to separate Novorossia from the rest of Ukraine. Speech on the separation of LDNR from Ukraine was also not conducted.

                  And where does "our authorities" have to do with it. Will you talk to the locals and tell me, are they talking about federalization or "we won't live with these fascists"?
                  The fate of the LPR and DNR Putin, what should decide? And the local population does not even think about life as part of Ukraine. Partly because of this, the Minsk agreements are not feasible in principle. As well as Kiev, it will not allow the completely pro-Russian government of the DPR to dictate conditions and policies if merged. Kiev does not need two regions to block their work. Therefore, MINSK2 is a toy for diplomats.
                  1. g1v2
                    g1v2 7 July 2016 17: 06
                    +1
                    Sorry, of course, but whoever dines with the girl dances her. The republic contains the Russian Federation, its leadership and will determine what will happen next. And then the media will tell the media what that population thinks.
                    The same with the rest of Ukraine. Today, the media put in their head what our opponents need, but if necessary, our media will put in their head what we need. This is reality. Those who are with Bandera flags and speech today walk the streets in embroidered shirts, with some effort tomorrow they will talk with St. George ribbons how they fought against the junta underground. A lot of examples, like Svidomo patriots, after crossing the border in love for Russia and Putin are recognized. Of course, it's not about the population, but about opportunities and desire.
                    I really hope that the federalization of Ukraine is only the first step on the way back and my Wishlist will come true. For centuries, we fought for the unification of the Russian lands together and the last piece - Galicia was the end of this struggle. Now everything will have to be reassembled. How much time is needed -hz. Maybe years, maybe centuries. request
                    1. Al1977
                      Al1977 7 July 2016 17: 15
                      +1
                      Quote: g1v2
                      I really hope that the federalization of Ukraine is only the first step on the way back

                      I already wrote above that neither Kiev nor Donetsk needs federalization.
                      Only Moscow, for it is a Trojan horse in the Ukrainian parliament.
                      I don’t see how feasible.
                      To believe that Ukrainians will fall in love with Russians .. It is somehow naive. Includes any Ukrainian any
                      our channel, watches our news or talk shows and sees that all but the residents of Donetsk are fascists. not people and stuff. That everyone there jumps like. And if they do not sing the Russian anthem in the morning, then Bandera. And after that, they will love Russia .. It doesn’t even matter that THEIR TV shows, enough that OUR shows.
                      Have you seen programs about normal life in Ukraine for a long time ?? No such at all.
                      So, to think that TAM will change their minds, and we stupidly remain with our own ... naive.
                      And this applies to all and other countries.
              3. Aleksander
                Aleksander 7 July 2016 13: 11
                +3
                Quote: _Vladislav_
                Initially, the Novorossiya project was conceived as a spontaneous project which, by its appearance, will grow in new areas, and Ukraine will sprinkle like a house of cards. And really, rebuild another plus of a couple of regions (say Kharkov, Kherson

                Who was up to? The fact of the matter is that ANYTHING has NOT been conceived, and if it had been conceived, then with the smallest organization and assistance Novorossia would have been.
                Donbass did everything himself-and the referendum also organized and fought off itself. Kharkov and Odessa needed a little organizational help. But no one wanted to.
                Only after terrible sacrifices and retreats came with a creak help and then ....
                1. Al1977
                  Al1977 7 July 2016 16: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: Aleksander
                  Who was up to? The fact of the matter is that ANYTHING has NOT been conceived, and if it had been conceived, then with the smallest organization and assistance Novorossia would have been.
                  Donbass did everything himself

                  Have you heard the name of Strelkov?
                  This is a real person.
                  And bearded?
                  Moreover, these people are alive, there is their interview.
                  Of course you read ... But, dear Cerberus of the Putin regime, here on the Internet, what do you prove to me? Who are you fighting with? Put a minus .. Funny.
                  As the Russian proverb says, "even cats are not born just like that."
                  just pass by, tell the grandmothers in the yard about "no one and never", there is your audience.
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              5. Absurdidat
                Absurdidat 8 July 2016 02: 42
                +1
                Vladislav, so without ours there would have been neither Debaltsev nor Illovaysk. Parasiuk was captured by our paratroopers, his military ID in Russia, covered in blood. He hid his passport under bandages, therefore they gave it to the red cross, and he would probably have shot him in a quiet way, if he had figured out who it was in time.
            4. zaboyschik
              zaboyschik 8 July 2016 08: 19
              0
              Until recently, there were much more people there, do you think the rest are on vacation? Almost all of the Russian Federation and not Ukrainians swear at all, and now in the Russian Federation we will be arrested and handed over to Ukrainians))) Here are the adherents of the "putinslil" sect
        2. Vladimir61
          Vladimir61 7 July 2016 10: 39
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          He smiled, always eternally dissatisfied. One person spoke on the phone and conclusions were drawn. They also told me a lot recently, everything was in a different light.
          + Roman! Some have developed a new style of journalism - to describe "with words over the phone" how a shell explodes or how the PC sky "drills" overhead! According to all the well-known reports of Russian journalists from Syria and Donbass, including women, there is someone to take an example from! From Russian Donetsk to Debaltseve two hours drive.
        3. Sailor
          Sailor 7 July 2016 10: 53
          +3
          Of course they were raked, only the main losses of the APU were from the VSN artillery.
        4. zaboyschik
          zaboyschik 8 July 2016 08: 16
          0
          But read my comments on the article as early as July 5. https://topwar.ru/97580-borba-bez-entuziazma.html#
        5. zaboyschik
          zaboyschik 8 July 2016 08: 17
          0
          Now read this news here http://polynkov.livejournal.com/1365863.html
    2. def89
      def89 7 July 2016 08: 18
      +13
      I completely agree with Roman. I visited! I will never return there.
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 7 July 2016 20: 02
      +1
      The author is a plus. The topic is very relevant. Yes, do not care about sanctions, they are inevitable regardless of the actions of the DPR army. Things need to be done until the people of the faith run out. How much provocation and death of civilians can be tolerated. Do Russian politicians have the right to restrain the Donbass men? For what? The sanctions are just a cover for losing money to support the liberoid economy. Already tired of la-la "we won't hand over the Russians." But we are handing over! We rent every day, for every shelling of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, for every life of the innocently killed and maimed! Or is the administrative line on the map more precious than the lives of our brothers? There is no alternative to Minsk - 2, but it is impracticable in fact. A complete paragraph at a dead end, in which real Russian blood is shed on both sides. And this is the limit of political cynicism!
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 7 July 2016 20: 22
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        ... endure provocations and deaths civilians ... Sanctions are just cover lose grandmas for the sake of supporting the liberoid economy ... "Minsk-2" there is no alternative, but it is not feasible in fact... Full paragraph at a standstill... And this is the limit of political cynicism!

        - Oleg, did you take rhetoric lessons from Klitschko, or what?
        - or at Gridasov?

        In fact, you have, as usual, "ala-ulyu, chase the geese" ... Eh, Sibiralt, Sibiralt request

        "Full paragraph at a standstill" - that's it yes
      2. Al1977
        Al1977 8 July 2016 09: 29
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        Do Russian politicians have the right to restrain the peasants of Donbass?

        Who, whom and how is holding back the men of Donbass. More details, please.
        Has someone tied you with ropes? Drive and fight for the "People's Republic". Or work and pay mercenaries. What did YOU make of this?
        Or are you calling for someone else to ride or pay money for your beliefs?
        1. zaboyschik
          zaboyschik 8 July 2016 20: 20
          0
          Do not write heresies, two weeks in the basement do not want to return fire? Not even what they are holding, my friend of the platoon commander in the north of the Lugansk People’s Republic died, officially blown up a mine, and unofficially killed their own. For pushing me to give a damn about Minsk and go ahead.
  2. PKK
    PKK 7 July 2016 06: 29
    +1
    Each will have to fulfill his duty, in spite of any negative attitude, nor any indifference and misunderstanding. For himself, for his People. Let there be less losses and injuries.
  3. Aleksander
    Aleksander 7 July 2016 06: 32
    +19
    It is important that the military exacerbation showed the short-sightedness of the Donetsk governments and republican leaders in carrying out military reforms.
    And more precisely and, most importantly, impartial, complete professional unsuitability


    This aggravation showed complete unsuitability, first of all, LDN CURATORS from the Russian sidebecause it’s ridiculous to assume that the Donetsk governments fully dependent on the East, independent in their actions.
    1. midivan
      midivan 7 July 2016 06: 50
      +9
      Quote: Aleksander

      This aggravation showed the complete unsuitability of, first of all, LDN CURATORS on the Russian side, for it is ridiculous to assume that the Donetsk governments, which are completely dependent on the East, are independent in their actions.

      it’s not about that, after all, it was not the curators who gave the go-ahead or recommended huckling the humanitarian aid, having not had time to bury the last deceased, arrange racketeering and consider themselves gods and decide the fate of people (with arms in their hands), that’s what people are talking about, people (militias) were going there to give their lives, but they wiped their feet, why fight there? for the people? let them go to Russia, but at least everything, we’ll shelter ours all the same, and there let Kovaly fight now and so on
      1. Pavel1978
        Pavel1978 7 July 2016 07: 57
        +1
        I completely agree with you, many forgot the case of the first betrayal 2 years ago, I recall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vssdEjxPcc
        1. zaboyschik
          zaboyschik 8 July 2016 20: 41
          0
          Ehh, I remember everything. I was a guide from the East in July-August 2014.
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      3. zaboyschik
        zaboyschik 8 July 2016 20: 35
        0
        There are no curators, because, as I already wrote, we are drug traffickers at a expense not sparing. Two inhabitants of Odessa performed, and after we were kicked out by hucksters, the remaining in power became. When you drive out inconvenient ideological ones, be prepared for the fact that you will find loyal only among the villains, which is what happened.
    2. Lyubopyatov
      Lyubopyatov 7 July 2016 16: 10
      -1
      Absolutely right! Trotskyists are curators.
    3. Al1977
      Al1977 8 July 2016 09: 41
      +1
      Quote: Aleksander
      This aggravation showed the complete unsuitability of, first of all, LDN CURATORS on the Russian side, for it is ridiculous to assume that the Donetsk governments, which are completely dependent on the East, are independent in their actions.

      Quite the opposite. The goal - to arrange a hybrid war that flares up and decays on a call from the Kremlin - has been successfully completed and is being carried out.
      They remove the unsuitable, I don’t see this. Why is there peace, and how to bargain with Obama, they say we will arrange this anywhere. if you don’t go to negotiations with us?
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  5. inkass_98
    inkass_98 7 July 2016 06: 57
    +7
    With all due respect to the authors, everyone must find their own rake, since many do not want to learn from other people's mistakes and prefer personal experience. So it is with the formation of the Armed Forces of New Russia: if the leadership of the republics understands their mistakes in building the army, then honor and praise will be returned to the place of defenders who defended independence in the very first and most difficult months. If God offended the mind, then sorry, the song of the republics is sung, to our common regret. Still, they are building their own independent state entities, so it’s completely wrong to expect that the Russian army will come and do everything for them. I said this at the very beginning of the declaration of independence of the LNR, and I will repeat it now - we must fight for our freedom. We all saw how many young and healthy men left for Russia from the war, and their place was occupied by volunteers from Russia and other countries. But volunteers someday have to leave. Who will stay? Here the dog just rummaged.
    Well, I repeat once again - the survival of LDNR depends only on the adequacy of their leaders and their ability to make decisions regardless of their likes and dislikes, but based on the expediency of using certain people in the right place.
    1. Aleksander
      Aleksander 7 July 2016 13: 51
      +2
      Quote: inkass_98
      counting on the fact that the Russian army will come and do everything for them is completely wrong


      The army of Russia will not come — the army of Ukraine will come — the alternative is simple.
      Russia does not need millions of Russian compatriots, original Russian lands, part of the Russian world — its enemies will need them and will inevitably strengthen them.
      And Russia will be weakened.
      Therefore, Novorossia is needed, first of all, by Russia, it must fight for it, and not vice versa. So it was ALWAYS in history.
      PS I just can’t recall an example from the same story when some SAMO state pushed away its own parts and compatriots from itself. request
      1. Al1977
        Al1977 7 July 2016 16: 40
        -1
        Quote: Aleksander
        PS I just can’t recall an example from the same story when some SAMO state pushed away its own parts and compatriots from itself.

        80% of the former republics of the USSR.
        Who is left with Russia? Old Man Kazakhs? From 15 republics ...
    2. zaboyschik
      zaboyschik 8 July 2016 20: 52
      +2
      You generally read what it was about, the number of volunteers from the Russian Federation never exceeded 15 percent of the total, and in many units they were not at all. You understand the disease, they didn’t just talk there or say they say, you don’t obey what bad ways you are, they simply take you out and not even talk to the expense. And the family is said to have died heroically. And thanks for that. In May 2014, a percent of 80 of all men capable of holding weapons were enlisted in the militia. They left, terribly disappointed in late July and early August, 2014 and not at all Ukrainians to blame. Someone was terribly afraid that the people of Donbass would really be able to build a people's republic
  6. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 7 July 2016 07: 06
    +7
    Okay, we’ll wait for comments from members of the forum, LDNR residents, because I don’t really trust Roman Skomorokhov, although some of what is written probably has the right to life.
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 7 July 2016 11: 50
      0
      They are already there!
      As my father (father-in-law) says, an old forum member - you need to listen to the opinions of others, but not when a lecturer from the "capital" comes to the miners with a lecture - "How the lava collapses", or to the sailors, with a lecture - "How the sea is storming "! It turns out that lectures can be conducted remotely.
      Alas, this is not journalism - this is a blogger!
    2. zaboyschik
      zaboyschik 8 July 2016 20: 55
      0
      I am a resident, still worse than what is written here. I’m already tired of shouting here in all the comments, I’m either liberals or hohlotrol. The truth is that I write in despair (((You can’t do anything already, just at least take care crying recourse
  7. CONTROL
    CONTROL 7 July 2016 07: 34
    +2
    By and large in current situations in: - Ukraine, - Georgia, - Moldova (Transnistria), - the Baltic states ... - and others like them GUILTY RUSSIA!
    Quite myself unprofessionally Separatist incitements, and flashes of nationalism, and frank (still prosperous!) Russophobia were blinded by those who condescendingly, through fingers ... and if they spoke out - through teeth ... through a lip ...
    As a result, there are hostile or even fascist "independent" states along the borders of Russia, with the prospect of "fattening up, soldering and pumping out" them from this intoxication - when they get sick and it all ends there (with the exhaustion of natural resources and, most importantly, patience people)!
    Meanwhile, the "info war" continues! and brings his victories and defeats ...
    Who has refugees from the "ATO zone" in cities and regions? I don’t know about you, but here they behave ugly, according to the principle "give what the world owes ME!" Up to the installation of small-sized Bandera busts and unauthorized re-hanging of the street names ... Kittens from Lizyukov Street, you know!
    So the fault here is the KGB, the FSB, foreign intelligence ... and related "very special" services! In the same USA, they are not asleep ... but here they overslept? Or - no one listened to them? ... Or - "be patient, there is no money and will not be ..." and "we will live badly, but not for long"? ...
    -----------------
    And the main reason for discord in the leadership of Novorossia, and not only in the leadership, is the former chronic poverty, and the resulting greed (in the conditions of "light-military access to resources") greed! ... To avoid it, this greed must be at least a former student of a church seminary (without even bearing the name of Dzhugashvili), and not a Ukrainian-Soviet party-Komsomol member! ...
    -----------
    This is a personal opinion, of course; I apologize in advance - if anyone offended anyone.
    1. domokl
      domokl 7 July 2016 07: 46
      +3
      Excuse me, did I ruin the church too? (WITH)
      Russia and Putin as rulers of the world? Somewhere I have already read this point of view. And the fact that their own patriots are "to blame" for the victories of the former Soviet, and Russia is also to blame for the defeats.
      And the chest, in my opinion, is much easier to open. Russia is big. This means that any reform will take much more time than in microstates. So we see the results of the transformations much later. Both positive and negative. Some inertia.
      And everyone around us felt the improvement quickly. The West tried to pour decent money there at the first stage. Only for no reason the West gives money. Now it’s time to pay.
      In the case of Ukraine, the vastness of the country also played a role. And it was this vastness that, as it turned out, not only inhibits the occurrence of conflicts, but also inhibits their settlement
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 7 July 2016 08: 11
        -4
        Quote: domokl
        Excuse me, did I ruin the church too? (WITH)

        Yes!
        And I, probably, too ...
        Quote: domokl
        Russia and Putin as rulers of the world? Somewhere I have already read this point of view. And the fact that their own patriots are "to blame" for the victories of the former Soviet, and Russia is also to blame for the defeats.
        And the chest, in my opinion, is much easier to open. Russia is big.

        Is the giraffe big? And he not only knows better, but also - comes a long time?
        And what - comes a long time? The need for tax reforms - yes, it is already in Moscow in the nearest stall and nearest apartment!
        ... Need for financial reforms, revision of the credit policy of the Central Bank? Well ... what kind of mutant giraffe is it?
        The need for this, the obligatory nature of this ... If you have adequate, sane, highly competent, recognized by the world scientific community and proven practical achievements advisers? If you want to - exchange one for this, and this one for more than another ... listen to them all and do it your own way ...
        The large size of the country is more a plus than a minus! room for maneuver ...
        -------------
        One of these days I remembered something of Suvorov - who is Victor - "Icebreaker" ...
        And so what thought visited me: - a traitor? Yes! - bastard? Of course!
        But - and a patriot! Sometimes objective and with undisguised admiration, writes about the achievements of the USSR!
        ... Or does something else have an effect here: some "long-term" operations of the special services give an unexpected result, directly opposite to the originally planned one ?!
        Why didn't "ours" take advantage of this? Strike the iron ...
        ... One of the next miscalculations? ...
        1. black
          black 7 July 2016 14: 02
          +1
          Why are you so smart and not in a white Mercedes? Everyone knows how to do it. How do you do - oo-oo-oo, where are you. Either Russia is you. Either you are not Russia.
      2. AID.S
        AID.S 7 July 2016 08: 42
        -1
        Quote: domokl
        Excuse me, did I ruin the church too? (WITH)
        Russia and Putin as rulers of the world? Somewhere I already read this point of view.

        Bilderberg smokes nervously ... laughing
        Quote: domokl

        Russia is big. This means that any reform will take much more time than in microstates. So we see the results of the transformations much later. Both positive and negative. Some inertia.

        Maybe so, only Dzhugashvili, it seems, did not know about it. Or maybe "his grenades were of the wrong system."

        Quote: domokl
        Only just because the West does not give money. Now it’s time to pay.

        I agree, but the problems of the Indians (population) of the sheriff (top) are not particularly worried. Everything is under control.
        1. domokl
          domokl 7 July 2016 08: 54
          +2
          Maybe so, only Dzhugashvili, it seems, did not know about it. Or maybe "his grenades were of the wrong system."
          And how many decades has this same Dzhugashvili built the country? Or he did it right away. I used the education received in my youth, spoke in my own way with the one above, and that’s all ...
          He had the main thing, time. And this does not contradict my comment ... A bunch in the air, excuse me ...
          1. AID.S
            AID.S 7 July 2016 19: 01
            +1
            Quote: domokl
            He had the main thing, time. And this does not contradict my comment ... A bunch in the air, excuse me ...

            “We are 50-100 years behind advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they crush us.
            I. V. Stalin
            This is about whether Stalin had time or not, firsthand, so to speak. Someone has eternity for 10 years, someone has a moment. Then the leadership had political will, so now we have the opportunity to "fart in the air."
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    3. Xmyp
      Xmyp 7 July 2016 08: 54
      -2
      Gently, now they will run and zamusuyut.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 7 July 2016 09: 40
        +2
        Quote: XmyP
        Gently, now they will run and zamusuyut.

        Well, it’s for us ...! (banned?)
    4. Al1977
      Al1977 7 July 2016 11: 01
      +1
      Quote: CONTROL
      By and large in current situations in: - Ukraine, - Georgia, - Moldova (Transnistria), - the Baltic states ... - and others like them GUILTY RUSSIA!

      The United States is to blame. It is obvious. These are all games to weaken and further destroy Russia, as the only country capable of resisting infection and fascism.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 7 July 2016 12: 35
        +2
        Quote: Al1977
        Quote: CONTROL
        By and large in current situations in: - Ukraine, - Georgia, - Moldova (Transnistria), - the Baltic states ... - and others like them GUILTY RUSSIA!

        The United States is to blame. It is obvious. These are all games to weaken and further destroy Russia, as the only country capable of resisting infection and fascism.

        Still would! Of course the USA!
        ... and this for us is a revelation from above!
        So, for example, I began to understand this quite clearly as a last year student (this is in the USSR!), And I have not changed this understanding of Nina Iota to this day ...
        ... is I the only one so smart? and went out for a walk?
        But what about those who "according to the state" are obliged to know and do THIS? ...
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 7 July 2016 15: 30
          +2
          Quote: CONTROL
          Still would! Of course the USA!
          ... and this for us is a revelation from above!
          So, for example, I began to understand this quite clearly as a last year student (this is in the USSR!), And I have not changed this understanding of Nina Iota to this day ...
          ... is I the only one so smart? and went out for a walk?
          But what about those who "according to the state" are obliged to know and do THIS? ...

          Well .. you know ... If you had a lot of money .. you could travel around the world .. That is, perhaps you would go astray. We understood that developed countries live very well, better than us, and for a second it would seem to you that the world is a little different than our government draws it, which itself rests and stores TAM money.
          But you do not have money, and this saved you, as well as 80% of the Russian population from Misconceptions. For the devil is also the name of the USA to him.
          1. AID.S
            AID.S 7 July 2016 20: 25
            0
            Quote: Al1977
            Well .. you know ... If you had a lot of money .. you could travel around the world .. That is, perhaps you would go astray. We understood that developed countries live very well, better than us, and for a second it would seem to you that the world is a little different than our government draws it, which itself rests and stores TAM money.
            But you do not have money, and this saved you, as well as 80% of the Russian population from Misconceptions. For the devil is also the name of the USA to him.

            Quite right, here is the unforgettable Boris Arkadevich, too, while he was rich, he walked with open eyes, and as the money began to run out, they say that he began to be mistaken again and was so lost that he slipped and got confused in the scarf.
            1. Al1977
              Al1977 8 July 2016 10: 12
              0
              Quote: AID.S
              Quite right, here is the unforgettable Boris Arkadevich, too, while he was rich, he walked with open eyes, and as the money began to run out, they say that he began to be mistaken again and was so lost that he slipped and got confused in the scarf.

              I agree))
    5. zaboyschik
      zaboyschik 8 July 2016 21: 08
      0
      What are you talking about? What is the renaming of the streets? What refugees ??? !!! No one even gives them refugee status, not only some rights. Russians didn’t need Russian at all (((In all international and Russian laws, they were supposed to have at least refugee status, but the maximum they gave was the VU that doesn’t have to rely on them according to the charter, and they even want to take it away. So they say, and you didn’t get housing during this time? To these people, the country for which they counted on protection, which they considered their homeland had barked in their faces, that’s what it is a homespun truth.
  8. AID.S
    AID.S 7 July 2016 07: 38
    +4
    Taken from the site "Day of Svarog"
    from 29.06.
    "15:00
    The militants of Kiev captured 8 sappers DNI, cleared the area Shirokino in agreement with the OSCE

    Two sappers of the DPR were killed, eight were taken prisoner by Ukrainian militants in the area of ​​the frontier village of Shirokino. This was announced today at a briefing in DAN by the deputy commander of the operational command of the Republic Eduard Basurin.
    “In the area of ​​Shirokino, on June 27, the sapper unit of a separate DNR detachment carried out planned clearance of the territory in coordination with the OSCE mission. Under cover of artillery fire, in order to capture sappers, a reconnaissance group of the 54 Ukrainian Armed Forces brigade and a unit of the volunteer Ukrainian army advanced to the indicated area. As a result of artillery fire, two DPR servicemen were killed and eight were heavily shell-shocked, because of which, unable to resist, they were captured ”,
    - said Basurin.
    He added that the Ukrainian side was notified of work under Shirokino, Kiev had information about the time and place of clearance. “Knowing the place and time of work, the Ukrainian command gave the order to open artillery fire on this site,” said the deputy commander.
    According to the DPR operational command, the capture group consisted of 25 militants. "
    No comment.
    1. igor67
      igor67 7 July 2016 10: 11
      -8
      Quote: AID.S
      Taken from the site "Day of Svarog"
      from 29.06.
      "15:00
      The militants of Kiev captured 8 sappers DNI, cleared the area Shirokino in agreement with the OSCE

      Two sappers of the DPR were killed, eight were taken prisoner by Ukrainian militants in the area of ​​the frontier village of Shirokino. This was announced today at a briefing in DAN by the deputy commander of the operational command of the Republic Eduard Basurin.
      “In the area of ​​Shirokino, on June 27, the sapper unit of a separate DNR detachment carried out planned clearance of the territory in coordination with the OSCE mission. Under cover of artillery fire, in order to capture sappers, a reconnaissance group of the 54 Ukrainian Armed Forces brigade and a unit of the volunteer Ukrainian army advanced to the indicated area. As a result of artillery fire, two DPR servicemen were killed and eight were heavily shell-shocked, because of which, unable to resist, they were captured ”,
      - said Basurin.
      He added that the Ukrainian side was notified of work under Shirokino, Kiev had information about the time and place of clearance. “Knowing the place and time of work, the Ukrainian command gave the order to open artillery fire on this site,” said the deputy commander.
      According to the DPR operational command, the capture group consisted of 25 militants. "
      No comment.

      you really don't know who to believe, on the video all eight "sappers" have been in the militia since March, and are they already such specialists?
      1. AID.S
        AID.S 7 July 2016 19: 35
        0
        Quote: igor67
        you really don't know who to believe, on the video all eight "sappers" have been in the militia since March, and are they already such specialists?

        I watched another video on the cover, there were just captured fighters, still without external damage, and one says that he was from a construction company and was digging something there. They obviously do not pull on "cyborgs", most likely, they actually carried out some kind of construction (maybe digging trenches) work and fell under the sally ukrov. On this basis, to conclude, as the author, that the entire army of the DPR / LPR is like that, in my opinion, from the couch, is doubtful.
    2. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 7 July 2016 10: 21
      +7
      He added that the Ukrainian side was notified of work under Shirokino, Kiev had information about the time and place of clearance. “Knowing the place and time of work, the Ukrainian command gave the order to open artillery fire on this site,” said the deputy commander.
      According to the DPR operational command, the capture group consisted of 25 militants. "
      Strange, another, why did the sappers work without cover?
  9. svp67
    svp67 7 July 2016 08: 28
    +9
    And what about Poroshenko's performance in Slavyansk? How to evaluate it? Let me remind you that for the first time the President of Ukraine called the ATO "patriotic war"
    I respect the authors, but here they are wrong. Poroshenko has been using the thesis about the "Patriotic War of the Ukrainian people" for a very long time, see the text of his speeches at military parades. And I would pay more attention to his recent speech to the graduates of the training center of the National Guard, where he promised them that their knowledge would soon be useful. A brighter hint of aggravation of the situation is not necessary
    1. domokl
      domokl 7 July 2016 08: 57
      0
      sad It’s strange. I probably did, but until the last speech Poroshenko hinted and so on. And he said bluntly the first time. Maybe you got a direct speech and calls for war?
      1. svp67
        svp67 7 July 2016 12: 20
        +4
        Quote: domokl
        He said bluntly the first time. Maybe you got a direct speech and calls for war?

        Mabut, mabut ...
        From the speech of Petro Poroshenko at the Independence Day parade on August 24, 2014 at 12:37 (Russian translation)
        Dear soldiers and sailors, sergeants and foremen, officers, generals and admirals! Veterans! Fighters of volunteer battalions and volunteers, soldiers of the combined unit of participants in the anti-terrorist operation. Dear compatriots, dear foreign guests!
        The events of recent months have become for us, if not a declared, but a real war. She may well go down in history like World War 2014. The war against external aggression, for Ukraine, for its will, for honor and glory, for the people. For Independence.
        It is domestic because everyone has risen to defend the Motherland - from small to old. The struggle for victory has become a popular movement, the work of everyone. I am convinced that the battle for Ukraine, for Independence, will end successfully for us. Thanks to nationwide solidarity multiplied by the courage and heroism of our warriors.
  10. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 7 July 2016 08: 40
    +1
    ..I'm not a robber
    and not an apostle
    And for me of course
    everything is not easy either
    And it may very well be
    that from my worries
    I'll turn gray
    before the rest
    But i don't cry
    and not sob
    Although I don’t know
    where I find where
    will lose
    And it may very well be
    what's your trouble
    I will lose
    more than I find ..
    A. Mironov
  11. Dave36
    Dave36 7 July 2016 08: 45
    +3
    It seems to me that not a single powerful state will allow such a mess on its borders to be. About Ukraine, everything is more boring, in Syria now everything is covered in mystery, propaganda is silent, something is going wrong in the country ....
  12. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 7 July 2016 09: 07
    -1
    Maybe the leadership of LDNR will draw conclusions from what happened. And then you have to drape in Rostov like some.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 July 2016 09: 15
      +2
      Quote: Stauffenberg
      Maybe the leadership of LDNR will draw conclusions from what happened.

      And what happened then?
  13. CHRICK
    CHRICK 7 July 2016 09: 16
    +10
    The material of the author is correct and fair in criticism. In fact, if you fight like that, then experienced fighters went from the Russian Federation to Donbass, and where now they look for the reason for sending them home, or they left, and what to do, sit in the trenches and bend down from each explosion following the order to not open. Donbass has already been on the verge of victory twice, the Ukrainians themselves wrote that 60% of the military personnel, i.e. who is killed, injured, escaped or surrendered, and here twice the Donbass was stopped by politicians with their Minsk treaties. If not for politics, then long ago this issue in Ukraine would have been closed. Now in the Donbass, 200 thousand people can fall under arms, not counting volunteers from the Russian Federation and other countries, and even in Ukraine itself, people would support LDNR, THE MOST IMPORTANT DESTRUCTION OF THE GALITSK NATIONAL FASCIST BATTLENALS AND THEN, AND THE POWER OF THE JUNT. But this will already be done by the civilian people themselves.
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 7 July 2016 12: 26
      +3
      Hi, neighbor! The screensaver is significant for you, so I’ll ask - can you dedicate what the Demon really did with the Silent and what happens in the battalion if the old militias leave it? Where in this story begins or ends, right? Judging by the talking screen saver, you should be in the know!
  14. Skubudu
    Skubudu 7 July 2016 09: 35
    0
    I am a bit off topic about the withdrawal of militias from LDN, for what reasons did they leave (in short)?
  15. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 7 July 2016 10: 08
    +7
    I caught myself thinking that after not reading this opus even to half, I already guessed who the author was. The style is very distinctive. A kind, pseudo-patriotic-compassionate. And the obligatory references to "local correspondents", "private conversations", "people on the other side", that is, no specifics, but with obligatory extrapolation to the entire territory, to the whole situation and generally to everyone.
    At the expense of the unfired - where is it? In LDNR? Well, yes, many did not find the hot phase of the war. But local, positional databases are maintained constantly. And the shelling is enough. And to say that the soldiers are not fired, in the regions where the front line is closer than the training ground is, to put it mildly, not the smartest idea. Speaking of landfills - I don’t know how in the DPR, but in the LPR they are fired 24/7 using any technique in various combinations. Shooting, maneuvers, combat coordination.
    Regarding the retreat of the "unfired" during the advance of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on Debaltseve. It was the right decision, it is quite possible that the only correct one. For two reasons at once. Firstly, an equivalent exchange of losses in manpower, for the LPNR, is definitely a losing option, if only because Ukraine has more manpower resources. Secondly, stopping the offensive of the enemy using armored vehicles, "head-on", from positions unprepared for this (and the checkpoint was clearly not prepared for this), will definitely lead to losses, and is used only in a stalemate. This has been known since the Great Patriotic War. And since that time, the correct tactics have been known - to fail the center, strike from the flanks, cut off the support, localize the breakthrough - which was done.
    1. Stauffenberg
      Stauffenberg 7 July 2016 19: 46
      0
      5 km missed. By the way, not a single photo or video of the effects of counterattack is not.
  16. RUSS
    RUSS 7 July 2016 10: 13
    +9
    Too many of those who started fighting with weapons in their hands simply left. Some are loud. And most just left, and that’s it. They did not find a place in the new republican army. Their combat experience was useless to anyone. And political views have become harmful to the republics.

    One of them "Cedar"-now lives in Crimea .... Builds a house. Litigation with a cooperative - local officials do not want to conduct light and water due to debts of previous owners.

    While there is a lawsuit, he is renting an apartment in a small family on the outskirts of Sevastopol. Cedar several times offered its mother to move to the Crimea, to the sea, but she did not want to leave Kiev.
    My wife was there all this time. In Sevastopol got ten cats. A couple of weeks ago, Cedar picked up a stray dog, called Zhorik.
    Together with the dog, the former commandant of Semenovka sometimes goes for a walk on the embankment. Visibly limp. He complains that he cannot run. He bathes with Zhorik at the monument to the dead ships.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 7 July 2016 10: 53
      +11
      Quote: RUSS
      One of them "Kedr" - now lives in the Crimea ....

      Another fighter "Fritz" (Artyom Razuvaev) ... Artyom left the DPR after a change of command. He was not a member of the First's inner circle and resigned a few weeks after Strelkov's departure. He does not consider himself a deserter, he did not flee from the battlefield.

      He got a job in a blacksmith's workshop in Chekhov, near Moscow. In Russia, I often met refugees from Ukraine. When healthy men who left elderly parents under fire in Donetsk complained that the refugees were not given the proper attention, he used his fists. Over time, this has passed. Now two people from Donbass who have not fought are working with him in the studio. Dine at the same table. Culinary preferences vary: Fritz cannot look at buckwheat, they eat porridge with pleasure.

      Artyom uses Slavic camouflage with a St. George ribbon as work clothing. The form is worn out, you can’t put it on people, and it's a pity to throw it away. On the welding mask proudly brought Latin - DNR.

      He doesn’t like holidays on a citizen - because of fireworks. On March XNUMX, when a salute was fired at night in a nearby tavern, instinct worked. Fritz threw himself from the bed to the floor, as if under fire, and nearly broke his leg.
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  17. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 7 July 2016 10: 24
    +8
    Gentlemen, the authors, when they wrote to you about the wrecking policy of Mr. Surkov under the direction of Glavliberal, it came to banning the authors of the comments for some time. And now you are writing about what you wrote about almost two years ago. Has it really begun to come to the conclusion that the liberals who are at the helm in Russia are a Russian lamp, destroyed by the valtsman in the Donbass and other parts of our former Empire? What passions did you play on the site about the great HPP and multi-wise management and strategic foresight. And how did it end? Tomatoes and the continuation of the killing of Russian people. Good luck with writing about further great KhPP.
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 7 July 2016 17: 04
      -1
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      Gentlemen, the authors, when they wrote to you about the wrecking policy of Mr. Surkov under the direction of Glavliberal, it came to banning the authors of the comments for some time. And now you are writing about what you wrote about almost two years ago. Has it really begun to come to the conclusion that the liberals who are at the helm in Russia are a Russian lamp, destroyed by the valtsman in the Donbass and other parts of our former Empire? What passions did you play on the site about the great HPP and multi-wise management and strategic foresight. And how did it end? Tomatoes and the continuation of the killing of Russian people. Good luck with writing about further great KhPP.

      If it weren’t for Putin, NATO would already have been in Crimea, which would have been turned into a bloodbath on the Russian genocide. One soldier dies, and hundreds of millions of civilians survive.
      1. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 7 July 2016 18: 09
        -1
        What, one soldier died in the Donbass? You, my dear, at least look at the statistics. Then try to answer.
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 8 July 2016 10: 13
          0
          Quote: Tambov Wolf
          What, one soldier died in the Donbass? You, my dear, at least look at the statistics. Then try to answer.

          Hyperbole of speech. Small casualties compared to potential losses.
  18. Kenneth
    Kenneth 7 July 2016 11: 13
    +3
    Judging by the targeted supply of artillery fire control devices from the USA to the U.S., it will start soon enough. It also speaks for the cessation of coal supplies.
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 7 July 2016 12: 40
      +2
      Quote: Kenneth
      Judging by the targeted supply of artillery fire control devices from the USA to the U.S., it will start soon enough


      APU pulls new tank columns to the contact line in the Donbass. This was reported by the group "News from the militia of New Russia" with reference to the video, allegedly shot by Ukrainian security forces

      According to local residents, the security forces are preparing a big offensive: tanks are moving to the fortified area near the village of Starognatovka.
      In July, Ukrainian security forces did not allow representatives of the OSCE mission to verify the assigned weapons. The observers were not allowed into the warehouse in the village of Petrovka, where weapons were stored.
  19. Egoza
    Egoza 7 July 2016 11: 45
    +9
    has just voted for a draft amnesty for those who robbed, raped, and killed. Some of them are now in jail ("for some reason" more than 70 people from Aydar) but they are heroes! They went straight from the Maidan to defend Ukraine! And despite the timid voices that "they were robbing and already in the liberated territories" Voted FOR am A clear message has been given - kill, rob - nothing will come of it for you. And already sitting bandits will also be released. So think about what will now be in the Donbass.
    By the way, in Crimea people are already complaining that the Right Sector is starting to get excited, and from the "top" - the answer is "when there are massive violations, then we will stop letting Ukrainians in." Or maybe you shouldn't wait for the mass scale, but immediately turn up at the border? Don't they know xy from xy? I understand that "the Russians harness for a long time, but then they drive quickly", but sometimes it is worth hurrying up so that it does not happen like in the Donbass.
  20. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 7 July 2016 12: 26
    +3
    A farewell to Colonel Alexander Bushuev will be held in Blagoveshchensk on July 7. The funeral ceremony will be held from 10:00 to 11:00 in the territory of the DVOKU. Alexander Bushuev was a graduate of this educational institution.

    Alexander Bushuyev died in a mine explosion. There is no official information about the place of death of the colonel.

    Amur.info learned that the plane with the body of the deceased flew to Blagoveshchensk the day before. Details were not disclosed.
    When he served as an urgent (83 OVDBr), he was a captain, then he received a major, eternal memory
    According to unconfirmed reports in the Donbass, Roman, you may be in the know, tell
    1. granddaughter
      granddaughter 7 July 2016 14: 42
      -1
      The brigade commander of the 7th brigade call sign "Zarya"
  21. Xmyp
    Xmyp 7 July 2016 13: 34
    -1
    Quote: CONTROL
    Quote: XmyP
    Gently, now they will run and zamusuyut.

    Well, it’s for us ...! (banned?)

    I xs, maybe.
    All the same, I have not seen adequate comments for a long time. The old guard too.
    The forum resembles a censor.
  22. granddaughter
    granddaughter 7 July 2016 14: 48
    -2
    And nobody saw "Somalia" with the heroic battalion commander Givi on 29.06.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX near Debaltseve.
  23. Lyubopyatov
    Lyubopyatov 7 July 2016 16: 40
    +2
    I dare to say on behalf of the indignant people. I am outraged that the words of VVP "we will not let the Russians strangle in eastern Ukraine" are scattered in the Minsk fog. If Novorossia is our client country, then there is nothing to be ashamed of: this is what we must say and do. Nulands and kerries have long understood that it is possible to bargain with the Kremlin, so they send the traders of the zero-carry to the traders of the marmots and co. And what about Novorossiya Surkov? He has two or three citizenships. And there is no extradition from Israel. Moreover, he bargains with America as if he was not measuring human blood, but calculating the percentage of profits. How many months, years of bloodshed and evidence of the incapacity of war criminals in Kiev to be recognized for the West to recognize that there are military and state criminals in Kiev, the OSCE covers them, and the Kremlin will be right if it declares that it has lost confidence in both, recognizes the DPR and LPR and provide them with powerful weapons to reach secure borders?
    Someone at the forum called Novorossia our proxy territory, which in Latin means: the country that has entrusted to us. Russia has enough such countries - from Abkhazia, South Ossetia to Transnistria. But closer than New Russia, we have no one. And trust must be justified: that the Russian Federation is in front of Novorossia, that the President of the Russian Federation is in front of the people. Before the people, not before Chubais.
  24. AleBors
    AleBors 7 July 2016 16: 55
    +2
    The details may not be accurate, but overall the author is right. I especially agree with "The fact is that as soon as it started to" bake ", it turned out that the Republican positions were defended by mostly unharmed soldiers. Those who came to the army after the active phase of hostilities. Those for whom military service is more likely way of making money. " There were many of them already in 2014 at the end of summer. And with a murky past. I do not presume to discuss what happened in the DPR, but in the LPR it was that way.
    And the Russians left. Most likely everything. And they are unlikely to return now. Those with whom they once fought side by side are gone. Who where, who left, who died, and who even with the "unclear" ... While the APU is not seriously advancing. Until .. How trampled, anything can be ..
    I’m sure of one thing, when it becomes sour in LDNR, we won’t stay on the sidelines, we will help ..
  25. koralvit
    koralvit 7 July 2016 16: 56
    +1
    Yes, one should be proud of past victories, Ilovaisk, Debaltseve. But one cannot but take into account that an army without experienced soldiers does not have combat effectiveness. Thanks to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they taught, if, of course, the leadership of the LDPR draw the right conclusions. Who will teach youth? And for training directly in battle, one must pay with the lives of young soldiers. Instead of thanks to experienced soldiers, they were kicked out, a fundamentally wrong policy.
  26. RoTTor
    RoTTor 7 July 2016 19: 50
    +1
    It was necessary not to click the beak two years ago.
    There can be no peace.
    It is necessary to select both Transnistria and Donbass - like the Crimea. Yes, and bring Abkhazia in order - so that there is where to relax without Turkey.

    http://expressua.blogspot.com/2016/07/blog-post_35.html#.V36Hrsn97jq
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 7 July 2016 20: 59
      +1
      Quote: RoTTor
      It was necessary not to click the beak two years ago.

      Try here, don’t click when accounts, children, business, estates in the rotten west. Burkhgalter in the year 14 explained this very clearly to the GDP and other boys.
    2. Al1977
      Al1977 8 July 2016 10: 16
      0
      Quote: RoTTor
      hell was a beak not to click two years ago.
      There can be no peace.
      It is necessary to select both Transnistria and Donbass - like the Crimea. Yes, and bring Abkhazia in order - so that there is where to relax without Turkey.

      You are like in a song: "Oh, what a man was ... A real colonel")))
      And why don’t we immediately sway .. in Alaska?)))))
      Personally, I do not need a war-impoverished POVERTY country with pensions and a salary of 200 bucks. The warriors do not understand this.
  27. polo
    polo 7 July 2016 23: 50
    0
    Quote: RoTTor
    It was necessary not to click the beak two years ago.
    There can be no peace.
    It is necessary to select both Transnistria and Donbass - like the Crimea. Yes, and bring Abkhazia in order - so that there is where to relax without Turkey.

    I agree, but for now it’s kind of like in the picture crying
  28. Phosgene
    Phosgene 9 July 2016 05: 06
    0
    Well, maybe when the Armed Forces of Ukraine hit and crumble all these cardboard governments, with dubious people, then serious people will come to power and take care of the matter. Or maybe Moscow will run out of patience and all these woes of the government will go to clean the snow in Norilsk, where they will be more useful.