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Voenkor "Mag" about the battles on the front of the Debaltsevsky

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Blog chervonec_001 published another summary of the military officer "Mag" about the situation in the Donbass.




The report, in particular, describes the events that occurred on the Debaltsev front:

"June 29, Wednesday
At night, in 02: 20, shelling from small arms and mortars began on the Debaltsev front. Nothing new, this happens with us every evening and night along the whole front. But as it turned out, everything is not so simple.

In 04: 00 in the morning there were local skirmishes again, the DSHRG (sabotage and assault reconnaissance groups) of the 54 and 58 teams entered the battle. The number of each did not exceed 70 people, there were five such groups. Each supported 3-5 BTR / BMP, several mortar batteries. In principle, the composition of the assault groups is the same as that used on the southern front, near Dokuchaevsk, as well as Donetsk, Avdeevka and Gorlovka.

At 06:30 in the morning the next attacks went, the main blows were delivered in the areas of Lozovoye, Logvinovo, Sanzharovka. This time the DShRG of the 54th and 58th brigades supported self-propelled guns and several tanks. They did not enter the DShRG villages themselves, and they did not have such tasks. Bypassing, blocked the road. Then, knocking out the leading militia patrols from the block of posts and heights, they began to gain a foothold. Several companies and about 70 pieces of equipment came to them at once - armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and MTLBs. In Artyomovsk and Svetlodarsk, the main forces of the 54th and 58th brigades, including tank companies, were waiting for the go-ahead.

In 10 in the morning, the VSN, with the help of the 7-th brigade of the DNI and NM LPR, with the support of the 4 artillery battalions, began to work on the heights of the occupied Armed Forces.

The main battles flared up in 14 hours, the enemy was knocked out of the heights and thrown back to their old positions in the Svetlodarsk area, despite the fact that a company of 54 tanks had come to support them. In the ranks of the APU, there was again chaos, the same as a year and a half ago in February 2015. They did not pursue, Russian officers from the joint conflict resolution group (JCCC) contacted the leadership of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and assured that they would not be prosecuted, they could leave. By the way, the same proposal was in February 2015, even before the boiler was closed, then also Basurin and our other commanders suggested that the APU leave and not lose people.

Now about the loss. At our positions were duty barriers, the same as elsewhere, take any section of the front. At least tighter promku.

Therefore, when some clever men write that in one battle, on promke, we lost 150 people 200-x and more 300 people 300-x, this causes a strong resentment among the militia. The fact is that we simply do not have so many people in the first line. And in fights so much is not involved. Protection is built on individual houses and heights, interchanges, bridges, on which there are a small number of people.

It's the same when they write that we lost 300 200's in the attack. Groups of 8-20 people, less often 30, work in fights in urban areas. I remember how the information appeared that in February 2015 during the counterattack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine against Uglegorsk, the militia lost 1000 people, and the APU 1500 people. As it turned out later, this was a lot of misinformation. Understand, now it is not the First World War or even the Patriotic War, and no one walks with machine-guns with a drum and we don’t have the Kursk Arc.

If you remember, then immediately appeared information about the 200-x killed APU. And a little later about 20 killed by the militia during the battles of Logvinovo.

Where do these numbers come from? If 20 says killed militias, who would believe right? And if you say our 20 and 200 punishers, 1 to 10, you just want to believe right? The only thing is that no one is interested in 200 or 1000. The APU has lost, it is important to stick people in Russia and the republics in the head, that the militia has lost an 20 man ... What is disinformation, with some goals of their own.

Do you really think that within a few hours, during shelling, and they lasted almost a day there, someone runs and counts the corpses? No photo and video confirmations. Here is the information that we managed to collect bit by bit. Our losses are 9 killed and about 30 injured, the APU loss 30-50 killed and up to 80-150 injured. The main dead of the APU - during the withdrawal and hit by the 4-x divisions of the BCH. The fact is that DUK units still participated in the attacks, and they carefully conceal their losses.

By the way, in the first attacks, our sniper shot down the Ukrainian singer. The singer served as a machine gunner and during the attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, he tried to squeeze our guys with fire, who were holding the defense at the checkpoint. Our sniper with 500 meters worked out a firing point.

In parallel to the battles and shelling under Debaltseve, the front thundered at all sectors all night and the next day. What was really strange, since the day of the shelling was long gone.

From 19 hours shelling resumed in the main areas - Kominternovo, Petrovsky district, Staromikhaylovka, Airport, YAPG, Gorlovka.

In 20: 30, battles resumed with the use of tanks and artillery in three directions at once - Lozovoe, Logvinovo and Sanzharovka. In Donetsk, we are responsible for the positions of the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of Marinka and Krasnogorovka. And the battles and shelling always coincided with the battles on the Debaltsevsky direction, apparently there was an attempt to divert our reserves. In general, any battle and shelling could turn into the same blow as under Debaltseve.

Up to 00: 00 the whole front thundered at night. During the day we were shot at 326 times, the reports did not include shelling under Debaltseve. In Kharkov hospitals 10 injured soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine arrived. ”

Photos used:
http://dan-news.info
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  1. Altona
    Altona 6 July 2016 16: 58
    +27
    Thanks for the objective review. And then they’ll write such as if divisions and armies clashed for Debaltseve as for Stalingrad.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 6 July 2016 16: 59
      +21
      http://chervonec-001.livejournal.com/1428544.html основная статья, там фото и видео материал. repeat And for the whole week, a summary of each day.

      https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1763053077244112&id=1496679490


      548140
      That's where I get about Kharkov
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 6 July 2016 17: 26
        +11
        Lord of the Sith

        Thanks Lord Sith for the summary, if possible, please respond. hi The day before yesterday there was an infa on the forum that the sniper who had tasted the punisher’s singer also died, yesterday a rebuttal took place all day on different sources, he is alive and well. Who is right? If possible, answer. hi
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 6 July 2016 17: 30
          +6
          Quote: vovanpain
          Thanks Lord Sith for the summary, if possible, please respond. hi The day before yesterday there was an infa on the forum that the sniper who had tasted the punisher’s singer also died, yesterday a rebuttal took place all day on different sources, he is alive and well. Who is right? If possible, answer. hi

          It turned out to be a fake.

      2. Now we are free
        Now we are free 6 July 2016 17: 29
        +16
        Why do I trust the sources of the militia for casualties more:
        1. Tales of Hoffman ... Oh, Valtsman, we all learned by heart long ago about 40 thousand Russian military men, "40 Chechen Kamaz trucks", elusive columns of Russian tanks, etc. (Special greetings to Tymchuk-Kaska and Lysenko-Chebureshka ...) Therefore, there is no faith at all (even without any rejection of the Junta's words for political reasons).
        2. The APU attacked, which means, first of all, the excess of at least in HP 4-6 times over the militias who were on the defensive. The Armed Forces of Ukraine were fixed at heights and checkpoints (from where the militia left), driving their LS there + The Armed Forces moved further in the direction of Debaltseve along one single road + the Armed Forces of Ukraine strengthened the LS and "the walls of its breakthrough" technique. As you yourself understand, "Waltzman's Chocolates" are packed into such a potential cauldron ...
        3. When all this "Team hodgepodge" from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, DUKs and "opera singers" rested on a well-organized defense and not on the "Flying Outposts" she realizing that now could come "Debaltsevskaya peremoga 2"rolled back along the same single road in the middle of the fields, where there was nowhere to hide ... The artillery of the VSN collected" Heroes ", as I think pretty much, because the Khuntovoy simply had no opportunity to hide or maneuver ...

        Again, this is just elementary analytics based on scanty information from both sides of the front compared to 2014-15 (military censorship works well). So, you can congratulate dad-Waltzman and mom-Groisman on the next "Peremoga" or as some say with "Debaltsevo 0,2" ...
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 6 July 2016 17: 37
          +24
          and they carefully conceal their losses.

          Why what, and they always have no losses. wink Here it is taken from Prilepin from the account. (Click)
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      4. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 July 2016 17: 30
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        Quote: Sith Lord
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        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 6 July 2016 17: 46
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
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          At the end of the six digits on the right, remove the space between 0 and 5.
      5. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 6 July 2016 17: 48
        +13
        At the end of the link there are six numbers on the right, remove the space between 0 and 5 and you will be able to go to the "Sisters of Mercy" page.

        And here is some more information.
        The details of the attack that the Ukrainian warriors tried to launch at 19 p.m. on July 3 in the direction of the village of Komsomolskoye, Starobeshevsky district of the DPR became known. In the evening, the command on the southern flank of the Donetsk front APU decided to repeat the failed "Debaltsevsky scenario" June 29th. By the evening of July 3, a tactical group of up to five hundred was concentrated in a southerly direction. The Ukrainian command also included two fire platoons in the composition of the offensive unit, consisting of three armored personnel carriers and two infantry fighting vehicles. The attack of Ukrainian warriors began with artillery preparation. Then groups of soldiers of the Ukrainian army were seen moving in short dashes to the positions of the DPR. But unlike a similar scenario near Debaltseve, military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not participate in the attack. Armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles fired fighter from a distance. Returned fire was opened on the attacking units of the Armed Forces. The APU attack near the village of Komsomolskoe did not receive development. The Ukrainian command decided not to tempt fate, and the APU rolled back to their positions. In general, the situation on the southern flank of the Donetsk front is characterized by more frequent shelling, including with the use of heavy calibers.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 6 July 2016 23: 30
          +1
          Quote: Sith Lord
          Lord of the Sith


          Hey. Probing, s ... ki. So wait for the fast calving, as the parrot Kesha said.
      6. Forest
        Forest 6 July 2016 18: 39
        +1
        Do you have any data on damaged armored vehicles in this sortie by the APU?
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 6 July 2016 22: 19
          +3
          Quote: Forest
          Do you have any data on damaged armored vehicles in this sortie by the APU?

          Several units of armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles only. The tanks said 2 T-64 platoons, but something so far without confirmation.
      7. The stranger
        The stranger 7 July 2016 03: 36
        0
        And what is "promka"?
        1. Oleg16661
          Oleg16661 8 July 2016 09: 03
          0
          Industrial Zone
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 6 July 2016 17: 10
      +8
      One Ukrainian "beer" sang the funeral. And what brought him there? They say that he sang best of all the waste - the anthem of Ukraine. Now he is a hero there, but a murderer for the DPR. Who else will beckon to the front line. Maybe Zelensky or Jamal?
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 6 July 2016 17: 20
        +2
        http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1640966/ вот кстати сюжет о саперах под Дебальцево. Там "Смотреть" нажмите.
      2. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 6 July 2016 20: 54
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        One Ukrainian "beer" sang the funeral. And what brought him there? They say that he sang the waste best of all - the anthem of Ukraine. Now he's a hero there.


        Now he sings the national anthem of Ukraine to hell in one not too comfortable and very hot place.
  2. oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 6 July 2016 16: 59
    +7
    Sick people. Their toad presses that people began to live better in LDNR, and Ruin continues to collapse. Here they are evil and tear. And when Bandera than good differed? - Only malice and cruelty. But, what is encouraging, they always got their teeth. And rightly!
    1. Pushkar77
      Pushkar77 6 July 2016 19: 03
      0
      They didn’t refuse the power option, and I think those who are sitting on the top floor of the SBU still plan military operations, probe weaknesses. Something smelled of gunpowder, God bless the Donetsk and Lugansk republics.
    2. In100gram
      In100gram 6 July 2016 19: 23
      0
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      Their toad crushes that in LDNR people began to live better, and the Ruin continues to collapse

      They most likely do not know about this due to censorship.
  3. demchuk.ig
    demchuk.ig 6 July 2016 17: 04
    +4
    In general, I realized that the loss reports on both sides are completely unreliable. Although, in principle, if even one person died (no matter which side), this is already a big loss for someone!
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 6 July 2016 17: 14
      +15
      Quote: demchuk.ig
      In general, I realized that the loss reports on both sides are completely unreliable. Although, in principle, if even one person died (no matter which side), this is already a big loss for someone!

      It’s hard for us to hide the losses. We are not Chechnya, sample 95. If someone dies, then immediately all cities know who and where and in what quantities.
      1. In100gram
        In100gram 6 July 2016 19: 26
        +1
        Quote: Sith Lord
        It’s hard to hide losses

        I agree. I personally trust the loss figures in the article; when a loss occurs, it is always higher, at least 3 times.
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 6 July 2016 18: 04
      +2
      I. Although, in principle, if even one person died (no matter which side), this is already a big loss for someone!
      if with that, for me it’s not a holiday, but indifference (less than one fascist)
      1. Roman 11
        Roman 11 6 July 2016 19: 32
        +1
        Quote: kotvov
        (one less fascist)

        Not necessarily, maybe just a mercenary, or a pitcher .....
      2. The stranger
        The stranger 7 July 2016 03: 56
        0
        Doe, don’t drip on the brain, okay?
        You grow big - the collapse of the front. In the meantime, disappear!
        An infantile humanist, you are ours.
        There is nothing to be smeared about in the subject of plush toys, before the formation of a group leaving on a mission. Their children, their mothers, and the graves of their fathers and brothers are already in front of their eyes.
        Late, trolley. Everyone has already drunk blood, and you won’t stop anyone. But some - for a just cause, and they already have nothing at all.
        Bring back the fee to psaka - maybe she will be glad.
  4. KVashentcev
    KVashentcev 6 July 2016 17: 04
    +1
    When planning a strike, the APU, judging by the map, applied its emblem in the form of a stencil .... However, science .... But science still lies ahead, once they understand nothing, it will be re-examination!
  5. asiat_61
    asiat_61 6 July 2016 17: 10
    +5
    I agree with the author, the point is not how many horses landed, but how many of our guys died. Even the number 1 (one) of our losses is no longer good. It means grief and tears in the family.
  6. Berber
    Berber 6 July 2016 17: 11
    0
    Everything is subjective. Objectively, only one thing - people are dying. Sorry for all the stubborn ones.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 6 July 2016 18: 07
      +7
      . Sorry for all the stubborn ones. ,,
      God forbid you to fall into these hands. The less of them (stubborn) the cleaner the air.
      1. Kovlad
        Kovlad 6 July 2016 18: 50
        +2
        There. Even in normal times (of Yanukovych), even in the "pro-Russian" territories, there was simply an Asian "khanate". Personal experience: we enter the territory of Ukraine from the side of Belgorod, at the customs of the Russian Federation, simply filling out paperwork, a careful look of the customs officer and it sounds: Please go through. On the territory of a Ukrainian, they immediately calculate the "suckers", send them to the "red" line, where cars and passengers are subject to complete shmon, on a stunned face, divorced hands, mooing like Uh-uh ... a "kind" bribe solves all problems. When I entered the territory of the Russian Federation, from the direction of Rostov, absolutely without any problems, I realized that I was at home. In fact, the differences between us, over these 25 years, have formed large.
    2. Krasniy_lis
      Krasniy_lis 7 July 2016 09: 55
      +2
      Quote: BerBer
      Sorry for all the stubborn ones.

      no, not sorry. After what they have done. No pity.
  7. Army soldier2
    Army soldier2 6 July 2016 17: 12
    +2
    God will punish all these Ukrainian villains!
    I would very much like human justice to get to them!
    1. vik669
      vik669 6 July 2016 17: 16
      0
      Time to get ready for the Lemberg-1 agreement
  8. cdznjckfd
    cdznjckfd 6 July 2016 17: 13
    0
    Sorry for the guys who laid down their lives, because of the moron of politicians
  9. family tree
    family tree 6 July 2016 17: 13
    +2
    DSHRG, what kind of horse? New Ukrainian invention? I mean, reconnaissance and sabotage live in silence from the very beginning, and attack aircraft are always loud at once, as they mutually exclusive what
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 6 July 2016 17: 25
      +4
      There is a DRG (sabotage reconnaissance group), the composition of 3-8 people.
      There is a DShRG (sabotage assault reconnaissance group), a staff of 20-30 people.
      There is a DShRR (sabotage assault reconnaissance reconnaissance), staffing up to 70 people.
      1. family tree
        family tree 6 July 2016 18: 01
        +3
        Took what This is to make the name louder and more impressive good Type Colonel Aron Moiseevich Chingachguk soldier drinks
    2. Aleksandr69
      Aleksandr69 6 July 2016 17: 25
      0
      D-probably, the landing ... is that which jumps from the armor
      1. family tree
        family tree 6 July 2016 18: 04
        0
        Quote: Aleksandr69
        D-probably, the landing ... is that which jumps from the armor

        Yes, here, rather, that the air assault, as it suits more what
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 6 July 2016 18: 22
          +4
          Not amphibious, but sabotage. I had an acquaintance in the Ryazan DShRG (sabotage assault reconnaissance group), when he was wounded, I visited him in the hospital.
          1. family tree
            family tree 6 July 2016 20: 15
            +5
            Quote: Sith Lord
            Not landing, namely diversionary

            Well, tady, it's me, I don’t understand the old Chego. what See, count, but silence, intelligence. Crawl, make a surprise, a gatehouse, there, or a timer and screw it away in quiet water, well, il cut quietly, at, sort of like a diversion. Attacking, it’s only going under reconnaissance in battle, but by no means under saboteurs, or something new in this world, Lana, 54, a year later I’ll fall into insanity, tfu on me, retired, and I’ll often carry the masses to the masses repeat
            1. family tree
              family tree 6 July 2016 20: 43
              +2
              Here, another question, Sergey, is there still partisanism in the DPR and LPR, is there still partisanism? I understand that someone is dissatisfied, but either one-man management through a gnashing of teeth, but the execution of an order, or of a khan, cho there request
              1. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 6 July 2016 22: 23
                +3
                Quote: perepilka
                Here, another question, Sergey, is there still partisanism in the DPR and LPR, is there still partisanism? I understand that someone is dissatisfied, but either one-man management through a gnashing of teeth, but the execution of an order, or of a khan, cho there request

                1-2 units still riot in quiet. If the unit is not in the corps, then it is without food supply, BC, without cash allowance and without art cover and tank support in case of breakthrough ukrov.
                1. family tree
                  family tree 6 July 2016 23: 44
                  +1
                  Thank you, I understood, by reason, that we would have to put before the choice, either in the army, or bring down 24 hours, after which we consider it as an illegal armed formation, in spite of the previous ones. It may be cruel, but there will be less blood.
  10. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 6 July 2016 17: 30
    +2
    Thank you "Magician." Clearly and intelligibly enough. If possible, a few words about the statement of Mr. Poroshenko that in (in) Ukraine, a domestic war is beginning. Your opinion or other eyewitnesses from the war zone always represent a certain value. Thanks.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 6 July 2016 17: 52
      0
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Thank you "Magician." Clearly and intelligibly enough. If possible, a few words about the statement of Mr. Poroshenko that in (in) Ukraine, a domestic war is beginning. Your opinion or other eyewitnesses from the war zone always represent a certain value. Thanks.

      Follow the link to Chervontsov, there is a full article. And regarding the statement, since he, like Stalin, is trying to turn the war into a national one. Each time Poroshenko has fewer and fewer recruits and disruptions to mobilization, so he is trying to make a "people's war."
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 6 July 2016 23: 41
        +2
        Quote: Sith Lord
        And as for the statement, he, like Stalin, is trying to turn the war into a nationwide war.


        It's clear. As the "blackest" ordered - a people's war to the last Ukrainian for the triumph of "Franklin".
  11. Khariton
    Khariton 6 July 2016 17: 50
    +3
    Chiriy Usraina, in my opinion, is already ripe ... It's time to open it with a scalpel and squeeze it out! Otherwise, gangrene in the "Russian World" may begin. The civilians are bombed by shameless scum (from heavy weapons). am
  12. thorns
    thorns 6 July 2016 18: 46
    +3
    Thanks to "Magician" and Vladyka. There is a certain clarity.
  13. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 6 July 2016 22: 01
    0
    And they spoke by the forces of one company ...
  14. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 6 July 2016 22: 46
    0
    Earlier I wrote here, in Skomorokhov's article, that information about the time and place of Slipak's death requires a detailed analysis. Particularly striking is the inconsistency of information in different sources ukroSMI! Even then (29.06.16/XNUMX/XNUMX), it inspired the idea that "something is wrong in the Danish kingdom"!
    The very first message about his death appeared even before the events of 29.06.16/4.00/1250283688345258, with an active phase (before that there were only shelling) from about XNUMX hours. Who wants to argue, see here - https://www.facebook.com/butusov.yuriy/posts/XNUMX, who is not, I quote
    Yuri Butusov. June 28 at 23:49
    Silhimo heads, hulks. The Great Ukrainians, having cast off their greetings, are capturing the Fatherland and the skin for us ...
    Vasyl Slipak, an opera singer with svitovim * pits, one of the most beautiful baritones in svytu, 19 years old is alive and well in France, being a soloist of the Paris Opera, and a little bit of the Russian Ukrainian aggression, having taken the front line in Europe near the lavas of the "Right Sector".
    . And in ukroSMI, a completely different date passed - morning 29.06.16/XNUMX/XNUMX ???

    And on July 1, the original version of the cause of Slipak's death appeared. Operation "Provocation" - https://cont.ws/post/308944

    The main thesis, the problem with the scene may indicate one thing - excerpts from the article
    I am more and more inclined to the conclusion that the singer Vasyl Slipak was killed by "brothers". They really need such a sacrifice .... First, a direct calculation of the reaction of the Europeans. The singer himself blurted out in an interview that in Europe (France) pro-Russian sentiments are growing stronger, and there is a need to convince the Europeans ... Secondly, Galicia needs more than ever a Ukrainian famous in Europe - a "deceased hero" from the ranks of the creative intelligentsia ... and the fact that the Ukrainian media are desperately confused about where exactly Slipak died - some argue that near Luhansk, others - that near Debaltseve ... It is quite possible that one of the tasks of the crazy Ukrainian "offensive" on the night of June 29 according to the plan of its organizers, it was to provide the scenery for the murder of Vasyl Slipak. Of course, no one advertised this task - it was required to create an epic picture of the "offensive of the militants", which was heroically reflected by the "Right Sector", but the long arm of the sniper killed the singer-wrestler, known throughout the Paris Opera.
    Taking everything into account, this event no longer smells like, but stinks of frank PROVOCATION in the style of "I, Volnovakha"!
    1. Krasniy_lis
      Krasniy_lis 7 July 2016 10: 02
      +1
      I think everything is much simpler. This "beer by mouth" just died, and the dill got oriented and began to sculpt "hero". For he is needed. And Gadya () is not only alive, but also released and "agent Pu", besides)))
      Zrada.
  15. Svidetel 45
    Svidetel 45 6 July 2016 22: 56
    +2
    Yes, they missed a favorable moment in the summer of 14, now it is not known how much Russia will have to deal with with this abscess on its belly, it will be possible to "dry it out" or it will turn into gangrene, dangerous for Russia, if the latter, then radical decisions will have to be made.
  16. Wolka
    Wolka 7 July 2016 06: 06
    0
    the author correctly drew the attention of readers that modern combat is not at all what is described in books and shown in films about the Great Patriotic War of Soviet times, but there is simply no need for this, usually a system of signal defense posts is built, including their backup, and a number of military mobile groups, a squad, a platoon, ensuring their interaction, the task of which is to detect the enemy in time, without getting involved in battle, to designate him on the ground and his direction, and to retreat to previously prepared positions, to give the opportunity to work out on him in advance prepared artillery divisions and other means of fire. .., but in general one gets the impression that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying in every possible way to get rid of the "burden" of Pravosek and other particularly ardent Natsiks, throwing them into battle for the purpose of reconnaissance in force whenever possible, and just that, this rabble is too uncontrollable, and a successful war above all personnel discipline
  17. Baloo
    Baloo 7 July 2016 07: 55
    0
    in general, one gets the impression that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying in every possible way to get rid of the "burden" of pravosek and other particularly ardent Natsiks, whenever possible, throwing them into battle for the purpose of reconnaissance in force, and just like that, this rabble is too uncontrollable

    A very accurate description of what is happening. The oligarchs think that their personal guard will cover, if that ... Therefore, they destroy the discontented in the fratricidal war. How much more time does the Ukrainians need, whose profession is to defend Ukraine in order to understand the essence of what is happening, who is to blame and what to do?
    FSA slaves ... fool
  18. granddaughter
    granddaughter 7 July 2016 14: 43
    0
    29.06/4. from 00-23 to 30-XNUMX
    APU losses - 8 people 200 (visually confirmed)
    Losses of the 7th brigade - 1 missing (call sign "Bird")
  19. midivan
    midivan 8 July 2016 15: 00
    +1
    In the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine there was again chaos, the same as one and a half years ago in February 2015. They didn’t pursue, the Russian officers from the joint conflict settlement group (JCCC) contacted the leadership of the Armed Forces and assured that they would not be persecuted, they could leave. By the way, the same proposal was in February 2015, even before the boiler was closed
    belay huge request not to ignore smile , and someone explain what kind of tactics this is? they were about to kill you, but what about them, okay, step in peace? Is this so that the battle would not be started? or so everyone needs it, the longer it lasts the better for everyone? no i don't understand what
  20. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 9 July 2016 22: 52
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    Quote: midivan
    and someone explain what kind of tactics this is? They were about to kill you, but what about them, come on in peace?



    So "Minsk" is kind of like wink