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Western media together silent on the defeat of LIH

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The fact that overseas with publicity everything is in order, we already know firsthand. Well, everyone, as they say, his own. If somewhere the US forces triumph (even if it is the destruction of an abandoned excavator in the desert), then the whole world should know about it. For it is the victory of American democracy. But what happens if there is no peremoge, and there is even a very big deal?



Here, too, everything is in order, that is, silence and grace.

However, exceptions occur.

There are in the US such a resource as "Veteran Today". It's like "Military Review" about five years ago. Silent backwater for their own. And brave American veterans, from private to colonel, sit on this resource, and communicate in much the same way as we did. About his, everyday.

It is clear that many, especially from the captain to the colonel, had a lot of colleagues in the army, students, former subordinates who no-no, let them throw in food for thought.

And since it is accepted to answer for the bazaar among the American veterans, they don’t publish anything. Moreover, many high-profile media such as the Associated Press, the New Times and others are not shy about referring to what these veterans are writing.

And now the chief editor Gordon Duff (by the way, the former captain-marines), posted information next character:

"In the city of Abu Kemal (Syria), American and British special forces were taken prisoner."

Agree that the event is quite extraordinary. And full silence in other media. Duck? It turned out no. After posting such information in Mozahem al-Saloum, information was as if reluctantly and half-courier confirmed by Thomas Mitchell from The Associated Press.

It exploded. Slightly, but weighty.

Thanks to Hollywood in the minds of the townsfolk formed the opinion that the US special forces are invincible. Who does not remember Rambo, soldier Jane and others. Even more respect is the British special forces. Even among specialists there is a very good preparation of the British.

And then suddenly this ...

The essence of the notes in the following. In the town of Abu Kemal, during an operation to seize an airfield (agricultural, as Duff writes, that is, with an unpaved runway), the convoy of the “New Syrian Army” and units of the American and British special forces were completely destroyed.

And the whole convoy was captured completely.

According to ISIL, a large amount of equipment, weapons, and communications equipment was seized. And from 20 to 80 prisoners. And the NSA fighters, and special forces. And only British and American "technicians" captured about 20 people. Incidentally, this proves that the goal of ISIS was not to destroy the convoy. The goal was precisely in capture. Specialists of Britain and the United States "poked his face into the dirt." Together with other American allies - Jordan, Israel, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. As Duff writes, it was the specialists from these countries who developed the operation together with the Americans and the British.

What could be the reason for such a failure of the special services? The, that you now will read, simply assumptions. One of the versions, nothing more.

For those who have experience, for example, the war in Afghanistan, everything will be simple and clear. For the rest I will say the following: ISIS used approximately the same tactics as "perfume". To lure a subunit into a "bag", and then, using the system of "kariz" or, as they say now, underground tunnels, suddenly launch an attack. And the attack was well prepared. Large (up to the battalion) forces. The operation is coordinated and planned far from by bandits. Militarily great.

Intelligence service. The fact that specialists from several countries participated in the development of the operation dramatically increased the risk of information leakage. This is an axiom. Moreover, the Americans themselves quite often reported on the transition of the NSA fighters trained by them to the side of the militants. So, besides leakage at the staff level, there was a high probability of leakage from the units themselves.

The presence of information about the route of advance, the purpose of the raid and the composition of the units gives the enemy an excellent opportunity to prepare a meeting. Agree, 200 miles march on NATO standards - this is a huge amount of time.

Moreover, along the way, leaflets were scattered calling for the civilian population to leave the area, as the ISIS forces would be bombarded.

Local, perhaps, and left. But the igilovskie units quietly outraged the "pinpoint" bombardment in their tunnels and underground shelters, and then came out. And the NSA and the advisers have arranged not just an "unexpected", but a complete rout.

Training of ISIS and commanders of these units. It has been written hundreds of times in various publications that the ISIS command staff is well prepared. Most of them are officers. Those that were the backbone of the Iraqi army. Those who, for various reasons, came to ISIS from other armies. And because the militant commanders are well aware of the combat regulations of the NATO armies, the United States, and ours too. And, therefore, can fight according to all the rules of military science.

In addition, the famous American program for the training of professionals for the NSA. The program is controversial. But it cost a lot of money for US taxpayers. Let me remind you that most of the specialists trained in the United States have completely "dissolved" in the expanses of Iraq and Syria. And what prevents these fighters from becoming instructors in ISIS? What prevents them from preparing their own kind?

There is another way to prepare quite decent fighters. Private military companies. According to American data, several companies carry out such work at once. Experts from the United States and NATO from among the former special forces are doing an excellent job with the task. And the money to pay for training at ISIS is.

Meanwhile, numbers and names pop up. Moreover, quite famous in professional circles. Namely "Dynocorp" and "L3 Corporation". These companies have trained and trained specialists in the Middle East for several years. And the figure is sounded: 416 million dollars.

But the most important factor, in our opinion, is precisely in the specialists themselves. Americans act according to the old scheme of the world. Rambas sit in shelters, and their work does aviation. Enemy positions interfere with the ground with bombs and missiles. And only then, “on a white horse” (“Hammer”), the heroes of mountains, fields and seas advance there. Such tactics have been carried out since the Second World War.

By the way, in this operation too. Moreover, the Americans also threw leaflets with warnings to civilians. Bomb leaflet. Leaflet bomb.

Only this tactic does not work in mountainous and mountain-desert regions. Precisely, due to the presence of a huge number of underground passages. And these moves have been centuries old. history. These are wells. Align with the ground position. But to “pick out” the enemy from under the ground is problematic. The Germans still remember the partisans of Odessa and Kerch in the catacombs. And Americans in theory should remember the "wormholes" of Vietnam and Korea. But ... apparently, with historical memory is very bad.

In general, the American experts quite naturally suffered a defeat. The presence of specialists with a level of training comparable to the American, knowledge of the enemy’s tactics and strategies of action, not only special forces in general, but also specific units, excellent intelligence set and doom further special forces to very serious losses during operations. And the fact that Western specialists are preparing for a “public” war (when the fighter is excellent in the unit, but weak in individual combat) has become the disadvantage that becomes the decisive factor for action. Americans do not have heroes like our boyfriend that caused the fire on himself. Not so they brought up.

Information on this incident is closed today. It is clear that the US intelligence agencies are not interested in such "advertising". Therefore, thanks to Gordon Duff.

But there is another interesting point. What do our fellow commentators write about themselves? An interesting picture is obtained.

They were surrounded and surrendered, they will be killed, most likely. It would be better for everyone if they fought to the death. Of course, if the whole story is not fake.

Some (LGBT) starts to kill the enemy, and then he cowards and says: take me prisoner? ...! The soldier should not be afraid of death, their behavior is shameful and disgusting, in the end, how many ISIS soldiers they allegedly killed in battle, who will say?

I would never allow ISIS to take me prisoner under any circumstances. In addition, it’s realistic that if ISIS was prepared by our SAS for training and fighting, then, most likely, as the Israeli Mossad and commandos do (great allies of Great Britain and the United States), all that remained was to blow themselves up. Now they (ISIS. - Note.) Will quite happily blow these abnormal pederasts, with particular contempt for them for their cowardice in their desire to live.

Some guy shoots a dozen of your comrades in ISIS, and then he says, wait, I’ve run out of ammo, or are you too many, can I give up? What nonsense ...


Funny, right? Nothing like? It turns out that there are such sofa warriors not only in Russia ...

But there are comments that carry a slightly different charge.

Is it time to even disclose the data that there is a "New Syrian Army"? Could this be a general name given to less than 100 fake Syrians trained for $ 416 million US dollars? Taxpayer dollars, that is me? Another half a billion sprayed?

Have to be surprised. If this all caused a recent proposal by the United States, a proposal for a new level of "cooperation" with the Russians in the war against terrorism with the support of ISIS? Russians should have some fun: the snake bit its master.

I, in general, is purple, but I have this question: do the consultants today really correspond to their intended purpose? The missiles seemed to have reached their final destination and are currently being shot down by Syrian aircraft. Does this mean that the "advisors" have reached their goal? A few years ago, I heard stories that the chain of commands looked like a plate of spaghetti - you never knew who was connected to whom. The fact that there is a blocking of information means that these things are currently closed, just as they would be closed if we sent ISIS advisors with whom we seem to be fighting. Or there, as always, they pretend that they are fighting. Just shadow wars conducted by criminals.

I'm also trying to understand. But what about the military who are part of this ISIS that were captured? From Israel, USA, UK and Turkey? In fact, these trained people are not even Arabs. They were called, and they are from our countries, from our brothers and sisters. This is my real concern. We constantly kill others at the request of a few at the top. Is not it? When lists are published, you will understand what I mean. These moderate Islamists are true and real, as I was a virgin after giving birth to 4 children.

You have to wonder if we deserve all this? Perhaps all because of double-dealing. It goes on and on, and we look worse. They must stop playing with the "Free Syrian Army" once and for all. It's time to understand that they only play into the hands of enemies. They should finally see it. A man with two faces cannot look straight.

Well, obviously, the special forces did not have enough transgender members in their ranks. That's why everything went to hell. Everyone knows that transgender troops are among the most well-trained and elite commandos in the entire known universe. They really should consider the need to get rid of all direct and normal military and use only LGBT military. People who chronically focused on their sexual preferences or gender identity are the only option to protect the United States and defeat ISIS.


We have nothing more to add to the opinions of "Veterans Today". As you can see, even across the ocean there are people who think quite reasonably. And there are those who want to shave weapons from the couch. The presence of the second is not surprising, the presence of the first is somewhat encouraging. And for further publications "Veterans" we will look more closely.
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  1. knn54
    knn54 7 July 2016 06: 19
    +15
    "Student" surpassed "Teacher". And the media simply have nothing to say. Analysts from the CIA (and not only), who stood at the origins of the creation of IS, are also silent.
    PS If you grit for a long time, you can erase all your teeth ...
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 7 July 2016 08: 41
      +36
      I didn't understand one thing in this story ... why did commentators get so angry at LGBT people, is this the main part of their "values"? wassat

      It seems that the Americans reach into what smelly substance they have plunged into political correctness and so on with these games.
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 7 July 2016 10: 19
        +9
        Quote: Sid.74
        It seems that the Americans reach into what smelly substance they have plunged into political correctness and so on with these games.


        It comes, but far from everyone, and the resource "Veteran Today" is interesting, I found this picture there:




        An entertaining picture, isn't it? : wink

        ps something is not loading the picture, here is its address:
        http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Assad_Must_Go_13439161_1
        0208202886448769_9081303398494083439_n.jpg
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 7 July 2016 10: 37
          +4
          Quote: Dym71
          Interesting picture, is not it?

          laughing

          Obama just is not enough ... repeat
          1. Sharapov
            Sharapov 7 July 2016 11: 08
            +2
            Quote: Sid.74
            Obama just is not enough ...

            Soon he will join them.
            Already a political corpse.
          2. Dym71
            Dym71 7 July 2016 11: 48
            +1
            Quote: Sid.74
            Obama is just not enough ... feel


            Matter of time, Eugene smile

            Quote: MaksoMelan
            Pictures are not visible! And a reference to the resource is possible?


            A link to the resource is at the beginning of the article. (www.veteranstoday.com)
            I’ll try to upload the picture again
            http://vremya4e.com/uploads/posts/2016-06/1466833027_isq9chb1fic.jpg
            1. vpm
              vpm 7 July 2016 13: 10
              +2
              And we can not Assad, but Gaddafi gets out of the grave? The defendants are the same, only until Hillary has not reached.
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit 7 July 2016 16: 31
                +2
                And we can not Assad, but Gaddafi from the grave
                Why only Gaddafi? And Saddam Hussein, and the millions who died as a result of Western democracy games around the world. It will be like Hitler, so many annihilated people have spoiled the karma of the Western world so much that no gods and devils will help anymore.
              2. midivan
                midivan 8 July 2016 05: 47
                +4
                Quote: vpm
                And we can not Assad, but Gaddafi gets out of the grave? The defendants are the same, only until Hillary has not reached.

                I somehow don’t really believe in the afterlife, reincarnation, etc., Assad say smile and where would he already be if not for the GDP? something seems to me, by this time we would have looked at the pictures as he hangs on a rope and probably got very angry
                1. HERMES
                  HERMES 8 July 2016 08: 02
                  0
                  Comrades .... somebody get to the admin ... I don’t answer here - about the photo. I understand that not only I have a problem downloading photos.
                  1. midivan
                    midivan 8 July 2016 14: 11
                    +1
                    Quote: HERMES
                    Comrades .... somebody get to the admin ... I don’t answer here - about the photo. I understand that not only I have a problem downloading photos.

                    But how did you try to download? I downloaded to the computer and then here, no problems whatsoever, and if the link is loaded here it often happens
            2. vpm
              vpm 7 July 2016 13: 10
              0
              And we can not Assad, but Gaddafi gets out of the grave? The defendants are the same, only until Hillary has not reached.
        2. MaksoMelan
          MaksoMelan 7 July 2016 10: 55
          0
          Pictures are not visible! And a reference to the resource is possible?
        3. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 8 July 2016 00: 09
          0
          Assad is more alive than all the living! smile Endurance, health and strength to him, to resist world imperialism !!!
        4. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 8 July 2016 14: 16
          +1
          "Information on this incident is closed today. It is clear that the US intelligence services are not interested in such" advertising. "


          Correctable. This information can easily be made interesting for journalists around the world.
          It is enough for the representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Maria Zakharova, to express the condolences of the valiant coalition.
      2. Alex_Tug
        Alex_Tug 7 July 2016 15: 34
        +1
        The link is in the article, did not check compliance ... not interesting. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/01/exclusive-american-special-forces-sas-ca
        ptured-by-isis-at-al-bukamal-syria /
        1. SlavaP
          SlavaP 7 July 2016 23: 26
          +2
          I checked - there is such a stat on the site and everything is retold correctly. One of the comments there is interesting - do the Russians know about this failure and if they do, then why are they silent?
      3. just exp
        just exp 9 July 2016 10: 09
        0
        replaced by LGBT in order not to write the word 3.14Dr (diameter and radius) due to censorship
    2. Sharapov
      Sharapov 7 July 2016 11: 14
      +4
      Quote: knn54
      The student has surpassed the Teacher. And the media have nothing to say.

      It is important not who has surpassed anyone, but why it happened.
      They already wrote on the VO forum that in Iraq the coalition is directly promoting its offensives - proclaiming them through the media.
      Here, too - so many countries were involved that slip the information - like two fingers. And in the guerrilla (in fact) war, whoever owns the information wins. Neither satellites nor drones with the Hammers will help .....
    3. 11 black
      11 black 7 July 2016 20: 37
      +3
      IMHO this is not a defeat, but a way to supply ISIS or anything else - the amers have more than 600 strike drones, somewhere as many Apaches, air bases around all of Syria, that - could not cover the convoy from the air?
      Yes, and this bombing with a warning - well, bullshit is to warn everyone and everything about the raid!
      Something doesn’t fit here ...
      1. HERMES
        HERMES 8 July 2016 08: 07
        +1
        Quote: 11 black
        IMHO this is not a defeat, but a way to supply ISIS or anything else - the amers have more than 600 strike drones, somewhere as many Apaches, air bases around all of Syria, that - could not cover the convoy from the air?
        Yes, and this bombing with a warning - well, bullshit is to warn everyone and everything about the raid!
        Something doesn’t fit here ...

        So, in general, a muddy story ... the "invincibility" of American special forces (and indeed any, they are also people) is certainly a myth. But the support that Americans have during any operation would be the envy of almost all special forces in the world.
    4. dima mzk
      dima mzk 10 July 2016 03: 14
      0
      Che in general, we climb into the lungs there, we’ll finish, no, some kind of sticks got into the wheels. Assad is not appropriate for them, they will put their own and the fire will break out, as has already happened more than once. I wonder what they did useful in Iraq or in Afghanistan? In Iraq, ISIS and gangs were born. Already frankly the whole world would say that we need more blood, because this is democracy!
  2. Deniska999
    Deniska999 7 July 2016 06: 21
    +2
    You might think ours are writing about all the troubles in Syria.
    1. Leto
      Leto 7 July 2016 06: 27
      +4
      Quote: Deniska999
      You might think ours are writing about all the troubles in Syria.

      Dawley regularly throw in information about "killed Russians", but there is no confirmation, ours is not confirmed. Only if photos and videos appear.
      1. Deniska999
        Deniska999 7 July 2016 07: 13
        +7
        Photo / video of captured Americans in the studio.
        1. Aleksander
          Aleksander 7 July 2016 08: 15
          +9
          Quote: Deniska999
          Photo / video of captured Americans in the studio.


          I think that if everything was in reality, then the photos and videos of prisoners would be posted all over the Internet. But they are not.
          And that means there are no prisoners, IMHO.
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 7 July 2016 08: 23
            0
            The prisoners and those killed there are local.

            The only foreigners who definitely died are 6 Jordanian border guards who died from Abdale’s mishandled response to a babahmobile.
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 7 July 2016 08: 44
            0
            Quote: Aleksander
            I think that if everything was in reality, then the photos and videos of prisoners would be posted all over the Internet. But they are not.
            And that means there are no prisoners, IMHO.

            Yes, that's right - the authors of the article run ahead of the engine. this is from the area of ​​recent rumors that our plane was shot down over Racca, and the Ishilovites returned the pilots in exchange for a promise to Racca not to bomb anymore
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 July 2016 09: 06
          +2
          Quote: Deniska999
          Photo / video of captured Americans in the studio.

          If they had captured the amers, it would have been long ago, under friendly Allah Akbar, the whole YouTube was packed.
          1. Vittt
            Vittt 7 July 2016 12: 52
            +2
            ISIS whose creature? Why should they shine amers? Easier to sell for a higher price for "gunshot cookies". They just stuck their nose in the feces - like, don't say gop until you jumped over.
        3. siberalt
          siberalt 7 July 2016 10: 07
          +3
          Refutation that there are no prisoners in the studio too! Even if such photos appear, they will say that this is montage or disguised. Wasn't that when the British and Americans were cut off on video? But that was when ISIS considered itself invincible. Now they don't need such "advertising".
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 July 2016 10: 58
            0
            Quote: siberalt
            Even if such photos appear, they will say that this is a montage

            There will be a photo, then we will talk about prisoners.
            Quote: siberalt
            making sure that there are no prisoners in the studio either!

            For now, you need to prove that they are.
            Quote: siberalt
            But that was when ISIS considered itself invincible. Now they don't need such "advertising".

            Did the ISIS press secretary tell you on the phone?
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            2. siberalt
              siberalt 7 July 2016 12: 25
              +5
              It seems that you better know about the press secretary of the IG laughing
              The author tried to accumulate information and laid out links in evidence. Believe it or not. There is no other!!! Yesterday on Yandex, I also read a message about the destruction of a combined spetsnaz group by the Ishilovites in Iraq. So what? Is it necessary for this message to be signed by their press secretary? What is the bazaar about, and even from scratch? Maybe order the author to drive to Iraq and bring a photo of captured commandoslaughing?
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 7 July 2016 15: 57
                +3
                So how? Author?

                The conclusion is, where besides mentioning LGBT people?

                The Russian Federation has the same historical memory. The first Chechen? Also, weapons were sold on all sides. Also, operations were stopped midway.

                What are some conclusions?

                On the face of the loss of statehood in the main partner. The lobbying system has begun internal competition, so far not in the country. Very bad sign. This means that the financial sector takes priority over the industrial one. The financial sector is pragmatic and cynical, not bound by any moral brakes. The industrial sector is in a position of survival, here at least do not twist and do not twist, and morality is needed otherwise it will not survive

                What am I doing.

                All these wars are a continuation of the economic system. Change is not a third degree issue. Now it’s more important to take control at least somehow. Otherwise, the dying hegemon will pull the floor of the planet.

                RF, a little control over the situation in the Middle East. And thanks for that. And the rest are waiting for the hegemonic elections in the country.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 7 July 2016 07: 58
        +13
        Quote: Leto
        Dawley regularly throw information about "killed Russians", but there is no confirmation

        We still have losses, war is war. And our guys there are not only guarding Khmeimim, and they are engaged in mine clearance. There are also helicopter pilots who died, under what circumstances I don’t know, but one of them was definitely killed, and not on the officially recognized MI-28. And the silence in the media. I do not presume to judge the moral side of hidden losses, but it seems to me that the Motherland should know its heroes.
        P.S. Five people from the 3rd brigade of the GRU returned from Syria with a medal "For Courage". hi
        1. Velizariy
          Velizariy 7 July 2016 11: 22
          +9
          Ours suffer losses, and affairs in Syria are not so hot. Syrian Arabs are extremely unstable and bad warriors, but on the other hand, ALSO AARABS, or not at all? According to available information from the network, the conclusion suggests itself that Turks and Western specialists are fighting against us there. Otherwise, the laxity of some Arabs and the steadfastness and stubbornness of others simply cannot be explained!
          But as in Donbas, ours did not shine a "NATO legion", although everyone knew about it, so here too. They're partners ...
          If now the Motherland finds out about its heroes and the circumstances of their death, then it will demand to erase Istanbul and set fire to oil in Arabia, and this is a minimum.
      3. t-62
        t-62 7 July 2016 08: 36
        +3
        Yours even write a lot about the troubles of the Russian troops and even think up a lot. But about the troops of the Democrats, your gut is thin.
    2. Fregate
      Fregate 7 July 2016 14: 12
      +5
      Quote: Deniska999
      You might think ours are writing about all the troubles in Syria.

      Is this some kind of nuisance? If ours were taken prisoner, the Internet and the app. The media would already be full of photos and videos with them. And here is just a modest infa., On the one hand, to show the world community that we (the Western coalition) and ISIS are at war with each other, on the other hand, modestly, because all the same it is "zrada". And in Delhi, they stupidly drove ISIS equipment and weapons, and the special forces will return back. Here is a veiled transmission of "military good".
  3. Leto
    Leto 7 July 2016 06: 25
    -4
    About the defeat of the NSA convoy, the dowls themselves wrote and posted photos and videos, there were no Americans or British on them, there were captured Syrians.
    There was about "American special forces SAS", but everyone considers it a fake.
    1. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 7 July 2016 12: 49
      +2
      In the article, there really is no specifics, except for the fact that the column was not gouged with art, but accurately "taken"! It is quite possible that the US experts were still there, but everyone is silent about them because they want to quietly give up on some swag, or for example some of the "respected people" decided to buy a house in switzerland and the EU police are against ...
  4. Tsoy
    Tsoy 7 July 2016 06: 34
    -8
    Dynocorp


    Extra letter "O", and then some kind of Jurassic park turns out.

    With regards to the article ... reading thought that I was watching the week. The same atmosphere of ridicule, neglect and bullying. I predict here in the comments a fountain of bile.
  5. nivander
    nivander 7 July 2016 06: 46
    +35
    But in Afghanistan, the sappers of the 40th Army developed an excellent tactic for destroying the spirits hidden in tarpaques, the so-called Quadrophonic / Stereophonic effect, when a series of small explosions follow after the main detonation, which direct a wave of excess pressure. As a result, the Kiryaz became a death trap for entire gangs
    1. gringo
      gringo 8 July 2016 13: 41
      0
      a little bit wrong. first, a small charge is blown up that clogs the exit, and then the main charge is blown up, with a microscopic delay. therefore, all excess pressure spreads along the kyarises.
    2. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 9 July 2016 07: 12
      0
      Why learn from stupid wild people? *sarcasm*
  6. Leto
    Leto 7 July 2016 07: 06
    -9
    Hundreds of times in various publications it was written that the command staff of ISIS is well prepared.

    Undoubtedly. The way the "Desert Falcons" and other Assad units were defeated near Tabka only confirms this once again.
    Most of them are officers. Those that made up the backbone of the Iraqi army.

    Come on. The so-called backbone of the Iraqi army has never once shown its skill, although there were plenty of reasons.

    In general, the attitude towards ISIS / IS / DAESH / Doula (forbidden all over the world and anathematized millions of times) is rather strange. For example, the Asad troops and their allies in the form of hez and Persians believe that Israel is behind it, but the ally of Assad of the Russian Federation believes that Turkey and the United States are behind it. It would seem why such a discrepancy?
    Let me conduct a local survey, who do you think is right?
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 7 July 2016 07: 50
      +12
      How they defeated the "Desert Falcons" and other Assad units near Tabka


      And more about how they defeated where you can read? And then the details are not observed. Where, who has lost what.
      1. Leto
        Leto 7 July 2016 14: 28
        -3
        Quote: alicante11
        And more about how they defeated where you can read?

        Damn, but a lot of where. In short, the SAA, with the support of Ikhtamnet artillery and aerial strikes of the Aerospace Forces, advanced from Homs towards Raqqa, advancing along the route. At the beginning of June we have already approached 18 km. to the city of At Tabka
        Russian T-90 tanks, Grads, artillery and militia members of the Desert Falcons brigade participate in the offensive. From the air, ground forces cover the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Syrian Air Force.

        Blacks began to attack the resulting gut from the flanks along the entire length of 80 km., As a result of numerous attacks, supply was disrupted, part of the units simply fell down, exposing the flanks, plus, according to the Syrians themselves, the "ichtamnet" pulled back the artillery and the defeat began, the blacks drove the Assadis all 80 km.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 7 July 2016 15: 02
          +3
          Damn, where a lot


          Well, maybe share a reference?

          Black began to attack the formed gut from the flanks along the entire length of 80km


          Respected. Well, you just think a little how the "blacks" could drag over 80 km of units across the desert for XNUMX km off-road, sufficient to attack army units? Where were our Aerospace Forces and the Syrian Air Force looking? It's not like hiding in tunnels or building up in residential buildings.
          Well, they don’t fight in this way when the enemy dominates the air. A completely different tactic.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 7 July 2016 15: 33
            +1
            Well, maybe share a reference?


            And then I only find Murid's stories on the search. And this is that storyteller. He surrounded a thousand people, with only 300 casualties. The tactics of shahid-mobiles against such a group is not at all suitable. First, they will be destroyed from the air long before they reach the attack position. And secondly, the ichtmentas have such things as radars that allow you to see the approaching pepelats earlier and prepare for its meeting if it has hostile intentions.
            Note that the defeat of the Amer mercenaries took place according to a different scheme. Using underground passages, in fact it was an ambush, which is not mentioned in the case of Tabka. Yes, and too different in size units. The battalion would not have struck the shock force.
            By the way, unlike our defeat, the Americans confirmed their official mass media. In passing, it’s no longer possible to hide.
        2. DimanC
          DimanC 7 July 2016 18: 57
          0
          When he learned that BEFORE the Igilov’s counterattack some units had left their places, I immediately thought about conspiracy, if not betrayal
    2. unsinkable
      unsinkable 7 July 2016 09: 25
      0
      Quote: Leto
      who is right?

      Both sides are right. I do not know information that Assad does not consider Turkey and the United States countries supporting ISIS.
    3. pol_ovnik
      pol_ovnik 7 July 2016 09: 52
      +2
      Shehshe la fam, or look for someone profitable (or benefit). And there are many of her in this viper tangle, and there are also many hunters.
      gas oil flows
      reformatting centers of influence, both military-political and religious-religious,
      ... yes, a hundred (already!) reasons to seek their profit in a protracted war.
      Well, where without the arms trade! The civilized world is shedding the aging, freeing up warehouses for the new.
      Isil is beneficial to all who want changes in the region to their advantage. And they have already stopped feeding the puppy, the dog has grown and it’s fed well. Americans (or someone else) only sometimes correct the direction of the dog, but in the little things and in their region of influence.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 7 July 2016 13: 16
        +2
        Shehshe la fam, or look for someone profitable (or benefit).


        This translates as "look for a woman", the clause "according to Freud" :)?
    4. 2nd 12th
      2nd 12th 7 July 2016 10: 28
      +1
      Quote: Leto
      For example, the Asadovites and their allies in the form of hez and Persians believe that Israel is behind it

      I suppose it may well be. By the behavior of the Israelites. Israel has either mutual peace or secret cooperation with the "spirits". For example.
      http://usapress.net/blizhnij-vostok/212-oon-obnarodovala-fakty-o-svyazi-igil-i-a
      rmii-izrailya
    5. midivan
      midivan 8 July 2016 06: 05
      +1
      Quote: Leto

      Come on. The so-called backbone of the Iraqi army has never once shown its skill, although there were plenty of reasons.

      smile Well, yes, well, yes, but it seems to me (I’m baptized, you can not remind smile ) that if everyone left as it was and didn’t intervene, those who didn’t show something already somewhere closer to Minsk after a ravaged Europe would come sad
  7. Deniska999
    Deniska999 7 July 2016 07: 17
    0
    Topic: newspaper sources said that June 28
    American pilots got the job
    provide cover for attacking the city
    Abu Kemal in eastern Syria, however in the midst
    the operation received an order to leave the area and
    head to the outskirts of Fallujah in neighboring Iraq.

    And how could the United States just drop its commandos without air support?
    1. Sharapov
      Sharapov 7 July 2016 11: 23
      +1
      They would not have abandoned theirs. The Syrian "rebels" were thrown.
      https://russian.rt.com/article/311201-samolyoty-vvs-ssha-ostavili-siriiskuyu-opp
      oziciyu-v
  8. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 7 July 2016 07: 28
    +14
    According to ISIS, there were captured a large number of equipment, weapons, communications. And also from 20 to 80 prisoners. And the fighters of the NSA, and commandos.

    Why was this operation needed? Why not plow this airdrome from the air with the barmales? I dare to assume - equipment was supposed to get to ISIS! They will carry out a certain multi-path and Special Forces soldiers will return home.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 7 July 2016 08: 00
      +10

      Why was this operation needed?


      An eccentric man, how else to deliver weapons and trained reinforcements to terrorists? And so no one will pick on. They themselves were captured, and if any of the "new" and "specialists" emerge, it can always be said that "the terrorists forced the prisoners, broke them by torture or psychologically."
      1. avt
        avt 7 July 2016 09: 15
        +1
        Quote: alicante11
        An eccentric man, how else to deliver weapons and reinforcements to terrorists trained?

        Well, something, yes, especially considering how they BEFORE that, "free" was completed and it all went to the spirits, well, that song about the polara merged into ISIS. Or maybe someone remembered youth and taught the spirits how to go to a caravan. bully
        1. pol_ovnik
          pol_ovnik 7 July 2016 10: 02
          0
          And what, Americans also like to cut a budget and robust bully
      2. pol_ovnik
        pol_ovnik 7 July 2016 09: 59
        +1
        And what, a purely military miscalculation and the defeat of amers and comrades is completely excluded from the options? Are they so invulnerable that this "failure" can be considered nothing more than a "planned multi-move"?
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 7 July 2016 09: 18
      0
      The most correct assumption in my opinion.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 7 July 2016 07: 29
    +6
    You can’t sit on two chairs .. Fight against some terrorists and support others .. here is the answer and went ..
  10. Denis DV
    Denis DV 7 July 2016 07: 58
    +1
    The Russians should have fun: the snake has bitten its master.

    Here! And they were warned! Congratulations to Nashapito on fried rooster day laughing
  11. Indra7120
    Indra7120 7 July 2016 08: 04
    +11
    Gentlemen, don't be naive !!!! This "takeover" is simply a way of supplying ISIS with weapons and instructors.
    Think: how else to supply weapons to ISIS ?? everything is under the control of the media ... everything will pop up at once ... and then everything is "garnished" - screwed up ... with whom does not happen ...
    1. pol_ovnik
      pol_ovnik 7 July 2016 10: 08
      +3
      If the bosses are not cut off to the specialists (on camera), an option is possible. And perhaps they "did not agree."
  12. iliya87
    iliya87 7 July 2016 08: 07
    +1
    Interesting. And this news https://regnum.ru/news/accidents/2154179.html is not connected with this?
    1. domokl
      domokl 7 July 2016 08: 18
      +1
      It is connected ... After the Americans and British were taken prisoner, the western principle of "we don't bomb our own" worked. ISIS simply hid behind captives and calmly finished its affairs.
  13. donavi49
    donavi49 7 July 2016 08: 15
    +5
    So it has long been.

    Only special forces were not there or he escaped successfully. For all the corpses were carefully photographed, and the survivors were cut and tied to poles. If there was at least one vacationer, he would not only catch his eye, but also be swollen by propaganda.

    But the operation itself raises a lot of questions.

    About 30 NSA people for about 10 (of which 5 trucks and 1 cargo dumbbell) - cars stole into the airfield. IG chopped them into a vinaigrette without much difficulty. And they themselves in the video were surprised at the fit from Allah!

    Hundreds of mines in packed boxes, mortars, grenade launchers and shots in packed boxes, entire bodies filled with zinc and packed boxes with cartridges, Browning M2, a bunch of eMok (in the passenger seats of trucks).

    So they do not go to war, but supply.

    And as for the silence, this is for everyone. Here is a lot of news on VO was about the loss of the Syrian army - Kinsaba in Latakia ??? Already one news, where they sparingly wrote in the text itself, they say had to retreat. At the same time, in Kinsaba they presented 3 serviceable infantry fighting vehicles in the park, 3 tanks in the same place, a bunch of shells, mines, cartridges, anti-tank systems (both Metis / Fagot and cornets), a whole barn of M79 rounds (it didn’t fit into the pickup when they were unloaded - only on video about 50 shots), shooters (including KPTV, DShK), 3 trucks, several pickups.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 7 July 2016 08: 42
      -4
      Quote: donavi49
      And as for the silence, this is for everyone.

      well, you can recall our cobbled turntables on the basis of the T-4 in May - and slurred comments from our Moscow Region two weeks after the event, in response to a satellite image
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 7 July 2016 09: 08
      +2
      At the same time, in Kinsaba they presented 3 infantry fighting vehicles in the park, 3 tanks in the same place, a bunch of shells, mines, cartridges, ATGMs (both Metis / Fagot and cornets), a whole barn of M79 shots (it didn’t fit into the pickup when they were unloaded - only on video about 50 shots)


      Well, yes, and all this was piled up at the front line. And even equipment "in the park", and not in caponiers, what to take from the Arabs, except for analyzes ... By the way, why SO MANY ATGMs on the front line? Are terrorists attacking Latakia with a tank army?
      IMHO, if the video is real, and not from the "basements of Al-Jazeera," it was made earlier, when enclaves of terrorists were formed, in the rear of the Assadites. Accordingly, then they could capture the rear supply bases.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 7 July 2016 09: 35
        +1
        The videos are real and fresh, in the same place they shot from copters, and the battle itself, and the extraction of equipment.

        Plus, then each group laid out its shares - after the seized section. For example, a small detachment Tawhid Jihad (Uzbeks) received after dividing from a large one (there are also machine guns and cartridges). The tanks went to Nusra and the Coastal.
        1. pol_ovnik
          pol_ovnik 7 July 2016 10: 25
          +1
          What about Photoshop? those. gluing the plot "line" already canceled chtol?
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 7 July 2016 13: 25
          0
          The videos are real and fresh, in the same place they shot from copters, and the battle itself, and the extraction of equipment.


          Videos of the capture of Tripoli were also "real and fresh". And they were made in the pavilions of Al-Jazeera.
          By and large, these are all completely irrelevant issues. Obviously, both sides do not suffer from a lack of technology and b / p. Important is the change in the front line, captured strong points. This is harder to hide, although it may not always be immediately obvious.
      2. pol_ovnik
        pol_ovnik 7 July 2016 10: 22
        0
        :) and the "oppositionists" are dressed somehow lightly, still in civilian chtol, in white canvas trousers and slippers. By this, war is still romance, and not hard and dirty work.
    3. pol_ovnik
      pol_ovnik 7 July 2016 10: 13
      0
      Quote: donavi49
      So they do not go to war, but supply.

      So that was the supply column, no?
    4. Victor-M
      Victor-M 7 July 2016 22: 32
      0
      Quote: donavi49
      But the operation itself raises a lot of questions.

      About 30 NSA people for about 10 (of which 5 trucks and 1 cargo dumbbell) - cars stole into the airfield. IG chopped them into a vinaigrette without much difficulty. And they themselves in the video were surprised at the fit from Allah!

      Hundreds of mines in packed boxes, mortars, grenade launchers and shots in packed boxes, entire bodies filled with zinc and packed boxes with cartridges, Browning M2, a bunch of eMok (in the passenger seats of trucks).

      So they do not go to war, but supply.

      I completely agree, so to speak, a new form of supply, with the help of cheap disposable meat, while the main thing is that there is a picture of the visibility of the "fight" with the isis.
  14. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 7 July 2016 08: 56
    +2
    “Well, obviously the special forces didn't have enough transgender members in their ranks.
    That's why everything went to hell "////

    The authors no longer know what nonsense to come up with to give weight to their fantasies.

    The SSA convoy was defeated. The only fact. No special forces were
    captured.
    In Iraq, the Iraqi army and the Americans have obvious successes: the large city of Fallujah has been captured and cleared.
    Now most of the forces have been thrown around the city of the millionaire Mosul. It will be as difficult to take as Aleppo.
    In Syria, the Americans have no success so far.
    1. domokl
      domokl 7 July 2016 09: 02
      +5
      Is going to the site American lazy? Why carry a blizzard about some fabrications? Give a link? or yourself with a mustache? and these comments are there. No one removes laughing
      It's a shame of course that the great Israeli soldiers are involved in this .. lol
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 7 July 2016 13: 01
        -1
        All English links to Veterans Today
        And he has no reference to anyone.
        Israel does not participate in these operations.
        1. domokl
          domokl 7 July 2016 19: 51
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Israel does not participate in these operations.

          Read the source ... There are clearly listed countries whose specialists participated in the planning of this particular operation. This article simply duplicates the text ...
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 7 July 2016 23: 48
            +1
            Yes, I read.
            allies like Israel, Turkey, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, who all took part in the planning, are deeply invested in an American failure

            Absurd absurdity. Israel never develops operations with Jordanians or Saudis. We do not trust. Even with the British not
            we work, despite the high professionalism of CAC. We don't trust their bosses. At the most we warn, for example, the Jordanians about mutual threats from common enemies. Like: "beware of such and such a number in such and such a place." And they are us.
            Only with Americans is there a common language.
            1. Velizariy
              Velizariy 8 July 2016 09: 19
              +3
              The British would give you a dime in a current amount like the United States and you would have increased confidence in them)
        2. Victor-M
          Victor-M 7 July 2016 22: 37
          +3
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Israel does not participate in these operations.

          Do you see a gopher? wink
    2. pol_ovnik
      pol_ovnik 7 July 2016 10: 28
      0
      Kurds exclusively with the assistance of amers make (have made) most of their successes. Can this be considered amer’s success? And the Iraq offensive solely in the merits of the Iraqi regime? .. nui etc.
  15. Skubudu
    Skubudu 7 July 2016 09: 15
    +2
    Until there is a photo of the captured "specialists", there is nothing to talk about.
  16. RexMVDshny
    RexMVDshny 7 July 2016 09: 21
    +1
    The Americans now faced approximately the same problem as Russia at the beginning of the first Chechen company when Russian troops collided with militants commanded by former officers of our army who had experience in the war in Afghanistan.
    1. pol_ovnik
      pol_ovnik 7 July 2016 10: 35
      0
      How long did 1 Chechen last? And how many Americans in Syria stick out? Was it possible to somehow analyze the actions of the enemy? And develop a response tactic (and strategy). Or do you amer in analytics refuse in principle?
      I’m not saying that intelligence from amers is not moronic.
      1. RexMVDshny
        RexMVDshny 7 July 2016 10: 55
        0
        In no case do I deny the Americans the ability to analyze the situation, but it’s also worth considering the stereotyped thinking of some commanders
  17. Sergerius
    Sergerius 7 July 2016 10: 13
    0
    Today, all the media are shouting that the US aviation threw their pupils in Syria during the offensive, it was 28.06.16/XNUMX/XNUMX, leaving them to cover the offensive and flew into Iraq to run away a column to hammer. Considered it a priority. As a result, the Allies received a complete defeat. good
    1. domokl
      domokl 7 July 2016 19: 52
      0
      It was about this operation that Veteran wrote Today
  18. JonnyT
    JonnyT 7 July 2016 10: 41
    +1
    lies ...... ISIS will never aggravate relations with the coalition ...... framed "suckers" for the war picture, but in fact they provided everything necessary
  19. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 7 July 2016 10: 47
    0
    Yes ... It looks like this is a fake, or, as some commentators say, a "new" way of complicity with ISIS: to imitate their defeat, but in fact hand over another batch of military equipment and weapons to the terrorists, which is very regrettable. The war cannot be ended this way.
  20. Arkan
    Arkan 7 July 2016 10: 55
    0
    Alternatively, an unsuccessful attempt to sell weapons was carried by one, while the others captured. The LGBT problem in the US special forces smiled.
  21. Machete
    Machete 7 July 2016 11: 56
    0
    Dark story. Until there are any facts or evidence there is nothing to talk about.
  22. andrew42
    andrew42 7 July 2016 12: 26
    0
    Most likely, this is indeed a supply operation for IS. To make the ordinary "free Syrians" more convincing, they were used as consumables. Along the way, one of their "commanders" had a small gesheft.
  23. Taygerus
    Taygerus 7 July 2016 13: 31
    0
    Now let them distinguish moderate from immoderate, when they will cut the Bosko, and moderate will join the immoderate or go to donors
  24. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 7 July 2016 15: 12
    0
    Western media together silent on the defeat of LIH


    They (the media) open their mouths at the State Department’s command, but it wasn’t!
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 7 July 2016 16: 46
      -1
      And not only the Western ones stuck their tongue ... but also the so-called "our" media ...
  25. Lord blacwood
    Lord blacwood 7 July 2016 17: 07
    0
    Something unlike the Americans. The Americans always covered their own, but what? Warning about the bombing (the United States never warned anyone about them), advancement without intelligence. And where is the video, photo, because ISIS loves to shoot like that. Most likely they were mercenaries hired by the Americans.
  26. Sergey333
    Sergey333 7 July 2016 18: 01
    +1
    We survived, ISIS is fighting on our side, and why do we bomb them then. It's time to negotiate with them, ISIS leaves Syria alone, moves to North America, and we throw weapons at them, as before the partisans in Nicaragua. laughing
  27. Awaz
    Awaz 7 July 2016 18: 26
    +1
    I have the impression of this story: this either really happened and the American and English warriors were captured by some gang. it is likely that there is no photo video yet due to the fact that there is a bid. Like it or not, ISIS is the brainchild of Americans (and the British, too) In general, both sides are trying not to make dirty linen in public. Perhaps the special forces were ordered to surrender when they were in a bad situation. From the same version, the topic of supply is still coming out. All the same, the convoy was well stuffed with weapons. The option of covering arms supplies can also be considered. Well, the fake version ... quite in the spirit of ISIS.
  28. DimanC
    DimanC 7 July 2016 18: 54
    0
    How to transfer weapons and instructors to ISIS (well, maybe specialists)? That's right - make a picture that heroically captured
  29. Russian people
    Russian people 7 July 2016 19: 02
    +1
    Have you already found a Russian trace or are you just looking for it?
  30. varov14
    varov14 7 July 2016 20: 11
    0
    They took him prisoner, but how else to thank his teachers, now they will sit at the table, sort out the mistakes, clap their hands and, in addition to the captured (or surrendered) equipment, they will also sell the heads of the teachers, let the world puzzle. Wolves are full, sheep are safe, the world is scratching turnips.
  31. Lily
    Lily 8 July 2016 04: 45
    0
    It is constantly emphasized that the basis of ISIS is made up of former officers of the Hussein army. And they are constantly praised. So why didn’t they defend Iraq until the last drop of blood when the USA attacked them? It turns out that then they were cowardly, and now they are taking revenge on women, children, and the elderly.
  32. Wolka
    Wolka 8 July 2016 05: 31
    0
    the Yankees just haven't gotten a good blow in the face for a long time, but here what is called "unexpected" one, second, third, etc., and the Soviet school of training Saddam's officers still makes itself felt, apparently it was not in their time they managed to seize vast territories, it is a pity that many died, and then they contacted the bandits and became them, easy money is doing its disastrous deed ...
  33. Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 8 July 2016 08: 30
    0
    According to ISIL, a large amount of equipment, weapons, and communications equipment was seized. And from 20 to 80 prisoners. And the NSA fighters, and special forces. And only British and American "technicians" captured about 20 people. Incidentally, this proves that the goal of ISIS was not to destroy the convoy. The goal was precisely in capture. Specialists of Britain and the United States "poked his face into the dirt." Together with other American allies - Jordan, Israel, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. As Duff writes, it was the specialists from these countries who developed the operation together with the Americans and the British.

    What could be the reason for such a failure of the special services? The, that you now will read, simply assumptions. One of the versions, nothing more.
    But how could you think this about overseas specialists?
    Yes, this is just one of the ways to transfer equipment and specialists.
  34. ver_
    ver_ 8 July 2016 10: 03
    -1
    Quote: HERMES
    Comrades .... somebody get to the admin ... I don’t answer here - about the photo. I understand that not only I have a problem downloading photos.

    ... hear syudy, private, if the corporal does not consider it necessary to answer, he will not answer, and this is not a complete list of his capabilities ..
  35. Makarov
    Makarov 8 July 2016 15: 32
    0
    It's a pity that the translation is "humpbacked" ... it will be necessary to dig deeper into the original source ... Well, the history of special forces, like everything else: ups, downs, victories, defeats, everything is as always.
  36. Dr. Hláva
    Dr. Hláva 8 July 2016 15: 42
    0
    I do not want to say that the ovs do not have good soldiers — but as I know them — I am Slovak — they are cowardly in MOST and fight for money. And this is characteristic of all the activities of US soldiers ...
  37. Nzn
    Nzn 8 July 2016 18: 05
    0
    This is just such a cunning plan to replenish the ranks of barmalei by their own professionals :)
  38. njvlin
    njvlin 3 October 2016 13: 38
    0
    Democracy existed only in ancient Greece. What kind of democracy can there be in the USA when even direct presidential elections are absent there. Pseudo-democracy in the USA exists - it is politicians controlled by the Fed, led by world financial thieves Rothschilds, Morgan, Soros and the like.