Western media together silent on the defeat of LIH
The fact that overseas with publicity everything is in order, we already know firsthand. Well, everyone, as they say, his own. If somewhere the US forces triumph (even if it is the destruction of an abandoned excavator in the desert), then the whole world should know about it. For it is the victory of American democracy. But what happens if there is no peremoge, and there is even a very big deal?
Here, too, everything is in order, that is, silence and grace.
However, exceptions occur.
There are in the US such a resource as "Veteran Today". It's like "Military Review" about five years ago. Silent backwater for their own. And brave American veterans, from private to colonel, sit on this resource, and communicate in much the same way as we did. About his, everyday.
It is clear that many, especially from the captain to the colonel, had a lot of colleagues in the army, students, former subordinates who no-no, let them throw in food for thought.
And since it is accepted to answer for the bazaar among the American veterans, they don’t publish anything. Moreover, many high-profile media such as the Associated Press, the New Times and others are not shy about referring to what these veterans are writing.
And now the chief editor Gordon Duff (by the way, the former captain-marines), posted information next character:
"In the city of Abu Kemal (Syria), American and British special forces were taken prisoner."
Agree that the event is quite extraordinary. And full silence in other media. Duck? It turned out no. After posting such information in Mozahem al-Saloum, information was as if reluctantly and half-courier confirmed by Thomas Mitchell from The Associated Press.
It exploded. Slightly, but weighty.
Thanks to Hollywood in the minds of the townsfolk formed the opinion that the US special forces are invincible. Who does not remember Rambo, soldier Jane and others. Even more respect is the British special forces. Even among specialists there is a very good preparation of the British.
And then suddenly this ...
The essence of the notes in the following. In the town of Abu Kemal, during an operation to seize an airfield (agricultural, as Duff writes, that is, with an unpaved runway), the convoy of the “New Syrian Army” and units of the American and British special forces were completely destroyed.
And the whole convoy was captured completely.
According to ISIL, a large amount of equipment, weapons, and communications equipment was seized. And from 20 to 80 prisoners. And the NSA fighters, and special forces. And only British and American "technicians" captured about 20 people. Incidentally, this proves that the goal of ISIS was not to destroy the convoy. The goal was precisely in capture. Specialists of Britain and the United States "poked his face into the dirt." Together with other American allies - Jordan, Israel, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. As Duff writes, it was the specialists from these countries who developed the operation together with the Americans and the British.
What could be the reason for such a failure of the special services? The, that you now will read, simply assumptions. One of the versions, nothing more.
For those who have experience, for example, the war in Afghanistan, everything will be simple and clear. For the rest I will say the following: ISIS used approximately the same tactics as "perfume". To lure a subunit into a "bag", and then, using the system of "kariz" or, as they say now, underground tunnels, suddenly launch an attack. And the attack was well prepared. Large (up to the battalion) forces. The operation is coordinated and planned far from by bandits. Militarily great.
Intelligence service. The fact that specialists from several countries participated in the development of the operation dramatically increased the risk of information leakage. This is an axiom. Moreover, the Americans themselves quite often reported on the transition of the NSA fighters trained by them to the side of the militants. So, besides leakage at the staff level, there was a high probability of leakage from the units themselves.
The presence of information about the route of advance, the purpose of the raid and the composition of the units gives the enemy an excellent opportunity to prepare a meeting. Agree, 200 miles march on NATO standards - this is a huge amount of time.
Moreover, along the way, leaflets were scattered calling for the civilian population to leave the area, as the ISIS forces would be bombarded.
Local, perhaps, and left. But the igilovskie units quietly outraged the "pinpoint" bombardment in their tunnels and underground shelters, and then came out. And the NSA and the advisers have arranged not just an "unexpected", but a complete rout.
Training of ISIS and commanders of these units. It has been written hundreds of times in various publications that the ISIS command staff is well prepared. Most of them are officers. Those that were the backbone of the Iraqi army. Those who, for various reasons, came to ISIS from other armies. And because the militant commanders are well aware of the combat regulations of the NATO armies, the United States, and ours too. And, therefore, can fight according to all the rules of military science.
In addition, the famous American program for the training of professionals for the NSA. The program is controversial. But it cost a lot of money for US taxpayers. Let me remind you that most of the specialists trained in the United States have completely "dissolved" in the expanses of Iraq and Syria. And what prevents these fighters from becoming instructors in ISIS? What prevents them from preparing their own kind?
There is another way to prepare quite decent fighters. Private military companies. According to American data, several companies carry out such work at once. Experts from the United States and NATO from among the former special forces are doing an excellent job with the task. And the money to pay for training at ISIS is.
Meanwhile, numbers and names pop up. Moreover, quite famous in professional circles. Namely "Dynocorp" and "L3 Corporation". These companies have trained and trained specialists in the Middle East for several years. And the figure is sounded: 416 million dollars.
But the most important factor, in our opinion, is precisely in the specialists themselves. Americans act according to the old scheme of the world. Rambas sit in shelters, and their work does aviation. Enemy positions interfere with the ground with bombs and missiles. And only then, “on a white horse” (“Hammer”), the heroes of mountains, fields and seas advance there. Such tactics have been carried out since the Second World War.
By the way, in this operation too. Moreover, the Americans also threw leaflets with warnings to civilians. Bomb leaflet. Leaflet bomb.
Only this tactic does not work in mountainous and mountain-desert regions. Precisely, due to the presence of a huge number of underground passages. And these moves have been centuries old. history. These are wells. Align with the ground position. But to “pick out” the enemy from under the ground is problematic. The Germans still remember the partisans of Odessa and Kerch in the catacombs. And Americans in theory should remember the "wormholes" of Vietnam and Korea. But ... apparently, with historical memory is very bad.
In general, the American experts quite naturally suffered a defeat. The presence of specialists with a level of training comparable to the American, knowledge of the enemy’s tactics and strategies of action, not only special forces in general, but also specific units, excellent intelligence set and doom further special forces to very serious losses during operations. And the fact that Western specialists are preparing for a “public” war (when the fighter is excellent in the unit, but weak in individual combat) has become the disadvantage that becomes the decisive factor for action. Americans do not have heroes like our boyfriend that caused the fire on himself. Not so they brought up.
Information on this incident is closed today. It is clear that the US intelligence agencies are not interested in such "advertising". Therefore, thanks to Gordon Duff.
But there is another interesting point. What do our fellow commentators write about themselves? An interesting picture is obtained.
They were surrounded and surrendered, they will be killed, most likely. It would be better for everyone if they fought to the death. Of course, if the whole story is not fake.
Some (LGBT) starts to kill the enemy, and then he cowards and says: take me prisoner? ...! The soldier should not be afraid of death, their behavior is shameful and disgusting, in the end, how many ISIS soldiers they allegedly killed in battle, who will say?
I would never allow ISIS to take me prisoner under any circumstances. In addition, it’s realistic that if ISIS was prepared by our SAS for training and fighting, then, most likely, as the Israeli Mossad and commandos do (great allies of Great Britain and the United States), all that remained was to blow themselves up. Now they (ISIS. - Note.) Will quite happily blow these abnormal pederasts, with particular contempt for them for their cowardice in their desire to live.
Some guy shoots a dozen of your comrades in ISIS, and then he says, wait, I’ve run out of ammo, or are you too many, can I give up? What nonsense ...
Funny, right? Nothing like? It turns out that there are such sofa warriors not only in Russia ...
But there are comments that carry a slightly different charge.
Is it time to even disclose the data that there is a "New Syrian Army"? Could this be a general name given to less than 100 fake Syrians trained for $ 416 million US dollars? Taxpayer dollars, that is me? Another half a billion sprayed?
Have to be surprised. If this all caused a recent proposal by the United States, a proposal for a new level of "cooperation" with the Russians in the war against terrorism with the support of ISIS? Russians should have some fun: the snake bit its master.
I, in general, is purple, but I have this question: do the consultants today really correspond to their intended purpose? The missiles seemed to have reached their final destination and are currently being shot down by Syrian aircraft. Does this mean that the "advisors" have reached their goal? A few years ago, I heard stories that the chain of commands looked like a plate of spaghetti - you never knew who was connected to whom. The fact that there is a blocking of information means that these things are currently closed, just as they would be closed if we sent ISIS advisors with whom we seem to be fighting. Or there, as always, they pretend that they are fighting. Just shadow wars conducted by criminals.
I'm also trying to understand. But what about the military who are part of this ISIS that were captured? From Israel, USA, UK and Turkey? In fact, these trained people are not even Arabs. They were called, and they are from our countries, from our brothers and sisters. This is my real concern. We constantly kill others at the request of a few at the top. Is not it? When lists are published, you will understand what I mean. These moderate Islamists are true and real, as I was a virgin after giving birth to 4 children.
You have to wonder if we deserve all this? Perhaps all because of double-dealing. It goes on and on, and we look worse. They must stop playing with the "Free Syrian Army" once and for all. It's time to understand that they only play into the hands of enemies. They should finally see it. A man with two faces cannot look straight.
Well, obviously, the special forces did not have enough transgender members in their ranks. That's why everything went to hell. Everyone knows that transgender troops are among the most well-trained and elite commandos in the entire known universe. They really should consider the need to get rid of all direct and normal military and use only LGBT military. People who chronically focused on their sexual preferences or gender identity are the only option to protect the United States and defeat ISIS.
We have nothing more to add to the opinions of "Veterans Today". As you can see, even across the ocean there are people who think quite reasonably. And there are those who want to shave weapons from the couch. The presence of the second is not surprising, the presence of the first is somewhat encouraging. And for further publications "Veterans" we will look more closely.
Here, too, everything is in order, that is, silence and grace.
However, exceptions occur.
There are in the US such a resource as "Veteran Today". It's like "Military Review" about five years ago. Silent backwater for their own. And brave American veterans, from private to colonel, sit on this resource, and communicate in much the same way as we did. About his, everyday.
It is clear that many, especially from the captain to the colonel, had a lot of colleagues in the army, students, former subordinates who no-no, let them throw in food for thought.
And since it is accepted to answer for the bazaar among the American veterans, they don’t publish anything. Moreover, many high-profile media such as the Associated Press, the New Times and others are not shy about referring to what these veterans are writing.
And now the chief editor Gordon Duff (by the way, the former captain-marines), posted information next character:
"In the city of Abu Kemal (Syria), American and British special forces were taken prisoner."
Agree that the event is quite extraordinary. And full silence in other media. Duck? It turned out no. After posting such information in Mozahem al-Saloum, information was as if reluctantly and half-courier confirmed by Thomas Mitchell from The Associated Press.
It exploded. Slightly, but weighty.
Thanks to Hollywood in the minds of the townsfolk formed the opinion that the US special forces are invincible. Who does not remember Rambo, soldier Jane and others. Even more respect is the British special forces. Even among specialists there is a very good preparation of the British.
And then suddenly this ...
The essence of the notes in the following. In the town of Abu Kemal, during an operation to seize an airfield (agricultural, as Duff writes, that is, with an unpaved runway), the convoy of the “New Syrian Army” and units of the American and British special forces were completely destroyed.
And the whole convoy was captured completely.
According to ISIL, a large amount of equipment, weapons, and communications equipment was seized. And from 20 to 80 prisoners. And the NSA fighters, and special forces. And only British and American "technicians" captured about 20 people. Incidentally, this proves that the goal of ISIS was not to destroy the convoy. The goal was precisely in capture. Specialists of Britain and the United States "poked his face into the dirt." Together with other American allies - Jordan, Israel, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. As Duff writes, it was the specialists from these countries who developed the operation together with the Americans and the British.
What could be the reason for such a failure of the special services? The, that you now will read, simply assumptions. One of the versions, nothing more.
For those who have experience, for example, the war in Afghanistan, everything will be simple and clear. For the rest I will say the following: ISIS used approximately the same tactics as "perfume". To lure a subunit into a "bag", and then, using the system of "kariz" or, as they say now, underground tunnels, suddenly launch an attack. And the attack was well prepared. Large (up to the battalion) forces. The operation is coordinated and planned far from by bandits. Militarily great.
Intelligence service. The fact that specialists from several countries participated in the development of the operation dramatically increased the risk of information leakage. This is an axiom. Moreover, the Americans themselves quite often reported on the transition of the NSA fighters trained by them to the side of the militants. So, besides leakage at the staff level, there was a high probability of leakage from the units themselves.
The presence of information about the route of advance, the purpose of the raid and the composition of the units gives the enemy an excellent opportunity to prepare a meeting. Agree, 200 miles march on NATO standards - this is a huge amount of time.
Moreover, along the way, leaflets were scattered calling for the civilian population to leave the area, as the ISIS forces would be bombarded.
Local, perhaps, and left. But the igilovskie units quietly outraged the "pinpoint" bombardment in their tunnels and underground shelters, and then came out. And the NSA and the advisers have arranged not just an "unexpected", but a complete rout.
Training of ISIS and commanders of these units. It has been written hundreds of times in various publications that the ISIS command staff is well prepared. Most of them are officers. Those that were the backbone of the Iraqi army. Those who, for various reasons, came to ISIS from other armies. And because the militant commanders are well aware of the combat regulations of the NATO armies, the United States, and ours too. And, therefore, can fight according to all the rules of military science.
In addition, the famous American program for the training of professionals for the NSA. The program is controversial. But it cost a lot of money for US taxpayers. Let me remind you that most of the specialists trained in the United States have completely "dissolved" in the expanses of Iraq and Syria. And what prevents these fighters from becoming instructors in ISIS? What prevents them from preparing their own kind?
There is another way to prepare quite decent fighters. Private military companies. According to American data, several companies carry out such work at once. Experts from the United States and NATO from among the former special forces are doing an excellent job with the task. And the money to pay for training at ISIS is.
Meanwhile, numbers and names pop up. Moreover, quite famous in professional circles. Namely "Dynocorp" and "L3 Corporation". These companies have trained and trained specialists in the Middle East for several years. And the figure is sounded: 416 million dollars.
But the most important factor, in our opinion, is precisely in the specialists themselves. Americans act according to the old scheme of the world. Rambas sit in shelters, and their work does aviation. Enemy positions interfere with the ground with bombs and missiles. And only then, “on a white horse” (“Hammer”), the heroes of mountains, fields and seas advance there. Such tactics have been carried out since the Second World War.
By the way, in this operation too. Moreover, the Americans also threw leaflets with warnings to civilians. Bomb leaflet. Leaflet bomb.
Only this tactic does not work in mountainous and mountain-desert regions. Precisely, due to the presence of a huge number of underground passages. And these moves have been centuries old. history. These are wells. Align with the ground position. But to “pick out” the enemy from under the ground is problematic. The Germans still remember the partisans of Odessa and Kerch in the catacombs. And Americans in theory should remember the "wormholes" of Vietnam and Korea. But ... apparently, with historical memory is very bad.
In general, the American experts quite naturally suffered a defeat. The presence of specialists with a level of training comparable to the American, knowledge of the enemy’s tactics and strategies of action, not only special forces in general, but also specific units, excellent intelligence set and doom further special forces to very serious losses during operations. And the fact that Western specialists are preparing for a “public” war (when the fighter is excellent in the unit, but weak in individual combat) has become the disadvantage that becomes the decisive factor for action. Americans do not have heroes like our boyfriend that caused the fire on himself. Not so they brought up.
Information on this incident is closed today. It is clear that the US intelligence agencies are not interested in such "advertising". Therefore, thanks to Gordon Duff.
But there is another interesting point. What do our fellow commentators write about themselves? An interesting picture is obtained.
They were surrounded and surrendered, they will be killed, most likely. It would be better for everyone if they fought to the death. Of course, if the whole story is not fake.
Some (LGBT) starts to kill the enemy, and then he cowards and says: take me prisoner? ...! The soldier should not be afraid of death, their behavior is shameful and disgusting, in the end, how many ISIS soldiers they allegedly killed in battle, who will say?
I would never allow ISIS to take me prisoner under any circumstances. In addition, it’s realistic that if ISIS was prepared by our SAS for training and fighting, then, most likely, as the Israeli Mossad and commandos do (great allies of Great Britain and the United States), all that remained was to blow themselves up. Now they (ISIS. - Note.) Will quite happily blow these abnormal pederasts, with particular contempt for them for their cowardice in their desire to live.
Some guy shoots a dozen of your comrades in ISIS, and then he says, wait, I’ve run out of ammo, or are you too many, can I give up? What nonsense ...
Funny, right? Nothing like? It turns out that there are such sofa warriors not only in Russia ...
But there are comments that carry a slightly different charge.
Is it time to even disclose the data that there is a "New Syrian Army"? Could this be a general name given to less than 100 fake Syrians trained for $ 416 million US dollars? Taxpayer dollars, that is me? Another half a billion sprayed?
Have to be surprised. If this all caused a recent proposal by the United States, a proposal for a new level of "cooperation" with the Russians in the war against terrorism with the support of ISIS? Russians should have some fun: the snake bit its master.
I, in general, is purple, but I have this question: do the consultants today really correspond to their intended purpose? The missiles seemed to have reached their final destination and are currently being shot down by Syrian aircraft. Does this mean that the "advisors" have reached their goal? A few years ago, I heard stories that the chain of commands looked like a plate of spaghetti - you never knew who was connected to whom. The fact that there is a blocking of information means that these things are currently closed, just as they would be closed if we sent ISIS advisors with whom we seem to be fighting. Or there, as always, they pretend that they are fighting. Just shadow wars conducted by criminals.
I'm also trying to understand. But what about the military who are part of this ISIS that were captured? From Israel, USA, UK and Turkey? In fact, these trained people are not even Arabs. They were called, and they are from our countries, from our brothers and sisters. This is my real concern. We constantly kill others at the request of a few at the top. Is not it? When lists are published, you will understand what I mean. These moderate Islamists are true and real, as I was a virgin after giving birth to 4 children.
You have to wonder if we deserve all this? Perhaps all because of double-dealing. It goes on and on, and we look worse. They must stop playing with the "Free Syrian Army" once and for all. It's time to understand that they only play into the hands of enemies. They should finally see it. A man with two faces cannot look straight.
Well, obviously, the special forces did not have enough transgender members in their ranks. That's why everything went to hell. Everyone knows that transgender troops are among the most well-trained and elite commandos in the entire known universe. They really should consider the need to get rid of all direct and normal military and use only LGBT military. People who chronically focused on their sexual preferences or gender identity are the only option to protect the United States and defeat ISIS.
We have nothing more to add to the opinions of "Veterans Today". As you can see, even across the ocean there are people who think quite reasonably. And there are those who want to shave weapons from the couch. The presence of the second is not surprising, the presence of the first is somewhat encouraging. And for further publications "Veterans" we will look more closely.
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