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Cadet babble

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The lack of state-minded people in the power structures of not only the highest, but also the middle management is one of the main problems of Russia. The actions of officials occupying various positions raise very strong doubts about their correct position in relation to the country and the people. Therefore, to prepare the elite for the country should be in the system of national, specially created education.


The phrase "Frames decide everything" is familiar to everyone. Stalin did not take it from the ceiling. He used the powerful personnel potential of the Russian Empire, which became the basis for governing the state, declared worker-peasant. Having experienced the mistakes and excesses of 30, the father of nations was able to draw the right conclusions and draw lessons, understanding the great importance of training people devoted to the cause of the party and government (which then replaced the concept of homeland). In the future, reliance on warlords and managers correctly selected and properly placed at their posts helped in many ways to turn the tide of the war unsuccessfully started for us and achieve victory.

Cadet babble
The Soviet school, with all its shortcomings, prepared sincere patriots of the socialist Fatherland. A significant contribution to pre-university training, in addition to the pioneers and the wide network of Osoaviakhim circles, was created in the period from 1937 to 1946, 20 artillery, seven naval and 20 military special schools of the People's Commissariat of Education of the USSR. Among their graduates trained in the five pre-war years were 24 Hero of the Soviet Union and three Heroes of Socialist Labor. The correctness of such a path was confirmed by the creation in August of 1943 under the auspices of the People's Commissariat of Defense 11 of Suvorov and Nakhimov schools as the old cadet corps. Already after the war, their graduates gave the country 77 Heroes of the Soviet Union and the Russian Federation, several federal ministers, three RAS academicians, three cosmonauts, three governors, about a thousand generals (including twelve strategic unions commanders and deputy defense ministers), tens of thousands of senior officers, hundreds of masters of sports, dozens of Olympic and world champions, many professors and doctors of science, cultural and art workers.

Currently, in the Russian Federation, 194 cadet educational institutions carry out similar educational activities. The figure is impressive. It would seem that in a country with such a high potential for training citizens and patriots there should be no personnel problems. However, no major changes occur. Upon closer examination, it turns out that the power and specialized ministries and departments that should be most interested in training their staff, contain on the balance sheet only 40 of similar institutions - one-fifth. The rest are given over to the Ministry of Education and Science and the educational authorities of the subjects of the Federation.

In the above proportions, not only the difference in approaches to the education of future state people, but also deeper contradictions. If there are no questions to the law enforcement officers, as well as to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Culture who have created the cadet corps in their system

The difference, for example, is that all the cadet institutions of the power unit in the best national and even world traditions are boarding schools with around-the-clock living inmates. By legal status, these are state general education institutions with elements of initial vocational training for the state military or law enforcement service. All the positions of tutors here are occupied by reserve officers with work experience who have passed a strict professional selection.

As for the cadet institutions under the supervision of the Ministry of Education and Science, almost a third of them are essentially ordinary schools that carry out specialized activities without organizing their residence in a military hostel, the fundamental principle of cadet education. Thus, the essence is emasculated - to educate citizens and patriots in an educational institution on the principles of developing personal responsibility, unity of command and collectivism, and otherwise everything comes down only to external manifestations of “militarism” in the form of wearing a special form.

The difference exists in the approaches to the formation of a block of military and special disciplines. In "civilian" cadet educational institutions, they are considered additional (read - secondary), which says a lot. You can not serve in the army in absentia, as well as to become a patriot of Russia, without feeling real love for the motherland. It is impossible to call yourself a citizen if you do not have a firm position, which is formed by proper upbringing with a predominance of the spiritual and moral element. Without this, patriotism turns out to be toy, everything in it is for fun.

Militarized cadet education involves the continuity of the learning process through the patronage of recruits of graduates of the older generation. Even after parting with the alma mater, they retain not only horizontal ties with classmates, but also vertical ties with course officers, teachers, and veterans of the service. A sense of ubiquitous support, a feeling of elbow, the ability to “check watches” with the ideals of aloopogonnyh youth - Generalissimo Suvorov, Admiral Nakhimov - a necessary element in the development of the personality of a citizen, graduate of a cadet school.

In any case, in the process of education should be the core, which is always, especially in Russia, is ennobling all and all spirituality. She is the best guarantor of the slide of a sinful person by nature into vices and passion, from which all troubles actually flow.
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  1. Teberii
    Teberii 10 July 2016 18: 50
    +7
    School and pre-school education cannot be replaced by cadet corps and the like.
    1. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 10 July 2016 19: 08
      +10
      It’s a pity I didn’t take me to the Cadet due to a childhood injury (but my sons will go! I think this is the best school of life for a kid ....
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 10 July 2016 19: 44
        +4
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        It’s a pity I didn’t take me to the Cadet due to a childhood injury (but my sons will go! I think this is the best school of life for a kid ....

        ... namely ... an example from life, my friends have a third grader ... although his father is a soldier, but the specifics are technical, there really is nothing to show the kid ... at the mention of the cadet class, he began to whine ... he was asked "out of old friendship" arrange a short excursion with impressions ... took him to Parusnoye, there is still someone to turn to ... there are no more questions about the cadet class, he is determined to sail and will go to hand-to-hand to "Genadievich" the kid is on fire ... the boys need to be allowed to touch and feel to see when he saw the guys tumbling on the parade ground and the bench, and they even gave the knife a couple of times, everything caught fire ... hi
        ... and, in general, an article, like a "one-legged" ... how is the Suvorov and Nakhimov Defense Ministry to the Cadet Ministry of Education? ... as far as I remember, the specialized Ministry of Defense of the USSR with boarding residence in the USSR could be counted on the fingers of one hand ... Cadet schools / classes instill the main thing - discipline and a feeling of elbow ... that’s the point ... but, not the nonsense that the author spoke:
        As for the cadet institutions under the supervision of the Ministry of Education and Science, almost a third of them are essentially ordinary schools that carry out specialized activities without organizing their residence in a military hostel, the fundamental principle of cadet education. Thus, the essence is emasculated - to educate citizens and patriots in an educational institution on the principles of developing personal responsibility, unity of command and collectivism, and otherwise everything comes down only to external manifestations of “militarism” in the form of wearing a special form.
        ... according to this minus the author ... just as an addition to the specialized Suvorov and Nakhimovsky MO, Cadet schools and classes in the usual conduct in modern conditions, a very necessary addition ... hi
        1. captain
          captain 11 July 2016 09: 48
          +3
          I think. that the author is right. Cadet corps (Suvorov schools) should be run by the Defense Ministry. It is necessary to accept there from the 5 class, at this age the basic personality parameters begin to be laid. Institutions should be closed. Take the experience of tsarist Russia, the USSR and, based on the best, create these educational institutions. As educators, you can bring in officers and warrant officers of the reserve. Teachers recruit the best and most successful. General curriculum, form, organizational structure, recruitment procedure (not only children of high-ranking and wealthy parents).
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 11 July 2016 12: 55
            +4
            Quote: captain
            I think. that the author is right.

            ... but, I think that I’m wrong ... and I’ll prove it again below ... the author dumped people and horses, as always, in a heap ... military education and just average education, do not you think that these are different things from the word at all? ...
            Quote: captain
            Cadet corps (Suvorov schools) should be run by the Defense Ministry.

            ... they are so ... hi
            Quote: captain
            Institutions should be closed.

            ... Yes sir ... soldier ... The pupils of the Suvorov schools - Suvorovites - are fully supported by the state. Their training and education is carried out in conditions closed school, the mode of their life and life is organized in accordance with the requirements military manuals and taking into account age features. The curricula of schools include all subjects of a secondary school. Wider knowledge is given in mathematics, physics, literature, and especially in a foreign language (pupils of schools pass a qualification exam for a diploma of a military translator). Compulsory subjects are ethics and aesthetics. In military subjects, Suvorov students receive the knowledge and skills necessary to continue their education in higher military educational institutions and to fulfill the duties of commanders of cadet units in the process of training ... they are not cadets ... in fact, they are cadets ... hi
            Quote: captain
            Take the experience of tsarist Russia, the USSR and based on the best to create these educational institutions.

            ... you don’t need to create anything, the Suvorov and Nakhimov schools did not disappear anywhere ... in the USSR in 1975 there were only 8... to the whole Union ... EIGHT, not 800 and not 80 ... at the moment, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has 22 educational institutions medium military education ... TWENTY TWO ! ... a, Cadet schools and classes is a general secondary education, from the category of how there are schools and classes with in-depth study of mathematics, biology, chemistry, etc. Cadet schools with extra. subjects in military disciplines ... so, the Suvorov School and the Cadet School are not the same thing, they are mutually supplemented educational institutions, the same Patriotic education, in the framework of ordinary secondary education ... the author does not like to see this ... the girl from the Cadet schools and classes, he also put in a boarding school ?! ... the third and last time I repeat - the article is bullshit or babble of the illiterate with far-fetched statistics of the USSR from 1935-46 ... hi
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 11 July 2016 23: 44
              0
              Inok10

              I support. The article is disgusting. Mixed, twisted, stupid.
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 11 July 2016 23: 42
            0
            Auto RU.

            I believe that you are not right at the expense of saying that the Soviet system has successfully trained management personnel.

            Heroes of the USSR, please do not interfere with this situation.

            In different periods of time in the USSR, cadres were selected according to requirements from above.
            For example, the position of an employee, say an instructor, of a regional party committee. A party was proposed to the candidate after being processed by the internal affairs bodies and the KGB.

            Physically, it looked like that. They found a candidate, and officially offered. To refuse was not profitable.

            That's all.
      2. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 10 July 2016 20: 27
        +13
        For his 28 service calendars, he has seen many cadets. Somehow it turned out that they are either good servants or gouging. And 50 to 50, in percentage terms. But I didn’t meet with them among them. It’s necessary that there is no need for cadetism - I don’t dare to judge, the topic is too delicate, I know that if the child’s soul lies with this, then it is imperative to help become a little warrior, try, and then his choice. The truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle, but we must try! soldier hi
      3. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 10 July 2016 21: 52
        +5
        I wonder who thought of assigning the education of cadets to the Ministry of Education. And then Suvorov and Nakhimov Schools will be given to this ministry? There are school children!
        If the cadet corps have been turned into ordinary schools, then the schools themselves need to be rebuilt. At least on the model of the Soviet. With initial military training (a major subject), with compulsory sports, with interschool competitions, with the game "Zarnitsa". I just want to write - with the all-Union game "Zarnitsa".
        And after all, we are deciding the personnel issue for these schools - just look at the veteran officer corps. Many will be honored to take part in the education of these patriots.
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 11 July 2016 00: 59
          +4
          Quote: Reserve officer
          I wonder who thought of assigning the education of cadets to the Ministry of Education.

          ... but didn’t try to think personally ?! ... an entertaining lesson, for your information ... currently in Russia they operate in the system of secondary military education 22 educational institutions, supervised by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Among them - 7 presidential cadet schools, 8 Suvorov schools, 4 cadet corps, as well as 1 Nakhimov naval school, 1 military music and 1 boarding school for female students of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation ... read correctly - School, building, boarding school supervised by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, not cadet schools or classes in the general education sector ... You are bred to "righteous anger" like a sparrow on the chaff ... laughing ... judging by the whole author of this scribble, I just don’t like the presence of cadet education in the general education sector under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Education and Science ... which complements the specialized secondary education institutions of the RF Ministry of Defense ... hi
      4. Platonich
        Platonich 11 July 2016 08: 44
        +2
        My grandson graduated from the cadet this year and enters the Omsk armored! What I want to say: this is the future Russian officer who knows how to dance, practices karate, plays football very well, has mastered the rafting on taiga rivers, from peeling potatoes to the captain of the raft. Normally fluent in speech without parasitic words, has a sense of tact and is well organized in terms of statutory relations! And I believe that behind such future officers is the revival of Russia! May God grant them all patience and health!
    2. iouris
      iouris 10 July 2016 20: 53
      -4
      Education in the school should be the same as in the cadet corps.
      1. Maksus
        Maksus 11 July 2016 10: 24
        0
        Here we are talking about cadet classes, and not about buildings and schools. These are under double patronage - the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Education.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 10 July 2016 22: 07
      +11
      We had a cadet school. The director in the form of a Cossack Yesaul. The boy is also in some form. Before lunch marching in the schoolyard, and at the Olympics showed the lowest knowledge. But as regards drinking beer - all hussars. Then a criminal case was opened on the directress for embezzlement of funds. It is thought that cadet schools should be run by the RF Ministry of Defense, and not organized on the private initiative of crooks under the roof of municipalities.
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 11 July 2016 09: 27
        +4
        We had a cadet school.
        ----------------------------
        how familiar this is to me. He gave his son after sixth grade. I wound there almost every day. Parent asset. The first director, a former cop. Came in only underwear, was fired already with the car under his ass, he stole. The second polkan is inadequate, as it turned out later, commanded in the disbath, hence the methods. Together with his wife, they plundered everything that was possible. Spy ..... l even the BRDM, which was given to the school by the Afghans, made of it, attention! - a water tank in the country. They got him fired, so he dragged away patronage carpet paths with him and, again -attention! -All drums: =)
        The third is a calm, kindly polkan, phew, we sighed with relief, we thought we were finally lucky. Aha, schaz! Somehow in the winter he gathered us all and asked to collect some money, like, you have to go to Moscow, renew your school license. Collected 70 tyrov, at that time very big money. Our half-kash left and disappeared. Wanted. They never found it. Karoch-rolled my boyfriend on the minus. I had to take him to a regular school. Glory to Allah - in time. The institute has already graduated with two "reds"
        In general, my opinion is window dressing, window dressing and window dressing.
  2. Million
    Million 10 July 2016 18: 52
    +9
    In any case, in the process of education should be the core, which is always, especially in Russia, is ennobling all and all spirituality. She is the best guarantor of the slide of a sinful person by nature into vices and passion, from which all troubles actually flow.

    Much depends on the family. Someone will be brought up and grow up!
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 10 July 2016 18: 59
      +5
      I agree, but when? You plow like diesel in the Arctic. Grandfathers and grandmothers are also not retired.
      1. Alex_Rarog
        Alex_Rarog 10 July 2016 19: 09
        +1
        Definitely! I work 6 to 12 myself
      2. def89
        def89 10 July 2016 19: 43
        0
        Hello from Murmansk !!!
    2. ,
      , 10 July 2016 19: 20
      +2
      The founding words here are Soviet school !!! Not by hearsay I know today's manners of Suvorov and cadet schools. It's a pity, but angry people will come out. All the dirt of the current education and upbringing of a “shitty” society has reached these institutions. They do not write about this, but read at least the Internet on these topics. Since from other sources you will not hear this !!!
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 10 July 2016 19: 53
        +2
        Quote: avva2012
        I agree, but when? You plow like diesel in the Arctic. Grandfathers and grandmothers are also not retired.

        Everyone to stand! Then how did we survive? I didn’t have a grandmother or a grandfather! Dad, the ensign is constantly in the regiment. Mom in the buffet on the railway.
        I'll never forget. On August 30, in the evening, someone set fire to something. SMELL IS STRANGE. (Well, the guys and I burned everything that burned, so we know what it might smell like). Almost panic: "The Americans have used chemical weapons." In short, a false alarm. laughing
    3. def89
      def89 10 July 2016 19: 40
      0
      Great advantage!!!! I have a daughter of 8 years old, already yelling I want to be military as a dad! The ex-wife is ready to tear me to pieces! And it struck the child in the head, after going to museums, meetings with fellow soldiers such a horror! married late and the daughter, respectively, petty, in comparison with the sons of my friends who are already older, there is even one captain. How to dissuade a daughter from this horror? maybe it will pass over time? request
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 10 July 2016 20: 01
        +8
        Quote: def89
        Great advantage!!!! I have a daughter of 8 years old, already yelling I want to be military as a dad! The ex-wife is ready to tear me to pieces! And it struck the child in the head, after going to museums, meetings with fellow soldiers such a horror! married late and the daughter, respectively, petty, in comparison with the sons of my friends who are already older, there is even one captain. How to dissuade a daughter from this horror? maybe it will pass over time? request

        Take a daughter, go to the unit, on duty together. Then into the company. (Damn, the smell of the company is something!). Then to the shower, (well, at mom’s discretion), then to the dining room, then to the study room, then to the fleet, then ... well then, personally, I dumped from the military unit through the reinforced-concrete fence ... If she likes, she’ll the general.
    4. vv3
      vv3 10 July 2016 19: 58
      +1
      I completely agree that family is the most important thing. Why is the author so fussing with military Suvorov and cadet institutions. This is because boarding schools and in Soviet times there were teenagers from single-parent families or from families where parents died in the public service ... Alien people, living with all the shortcomings, replaced them in fact with their family establishments state support? What kind of nonsense? Comprehensive control kills the initiative, makes people somewhat flawed, impedes creativity and individuality ... No need to narrow the problems of training and education ... If you develop this idea to the extreme, then the prison has the greatest prospects, but it turns out vice versa. The role of the father, as an example, family traditions, pride in his relatives and their work .... School, as an environment where your views, your actions, which became a manifestation of your family’s criteria, and so on ....
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 11 July 2016 23: 54
        0
        vv3

        Leave the creative personality to yourself.

        Joint labor made a man out of a monkey. Your "creative individualism" will bring society back to primates. Stop lying, what's good and what's bad.
  3. avva2012
    avva2012 10 July 2016 18: 55
    +10
    Nothing could be better for a man than an army. Useful anyway. In my opinion, holidays at school should be in the form of army fees. Then real service after school. A year, not a long time.
    1. vv3
      vv3 11 July 2016 15: 05
      0
      They passed when I was at the school, after 9th grade. Real fences in the camps of chefs, we had a military school, and at the end a military game similar to a doctrine. No need to reinvent the chair, it is better to revive at school everything that was needed and undeservedly forgotten ...
  4. My address
    My address 10 July 2016 18: 59
    +4
    I thought an article about our government. But it turned out that it is really about pseudo-kindergarten. And that's right, even it was possible to sharper.
  5. vsoltan
    vsoltan 10 July 2016 19: 08
    +2
    Yes, a completely reasonable undertaking - the Cadets. . who likes it, he will give his sons. ..let them grow into the elite. .. just where is the national idea? She's gone. And today's patriotism is half artificial. .. what will the new "elite" be trained for?
  6. sabakina
    sabakina 10 July 2016 19: 09
    +7
    We have a cadet corps in Kostroma, based on a former boarding school. We talked with a colleague living next to this building.
    - They study during the week, at the weekend they drink beer in the yard ...
    1. Leksandrych
      Leksandrych 10 July 2016 19: 55
      +5
      Once I was talking to one "company commander". I ask; What's the hardest part about commanding so many young people? He replied: "... to be busy. Whatever free time. A young man should be busy all the time."
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 10 July 2016 20: 17
        +1
        Quote: Lexandrich
        Once I was talking to one "company commander". I ask; What's the hardest part about commanding so many young people? He replied: "... to be busy. Whatever free time. A young man should be busy all the time."

        Firstly. Why do you have a company quotation mark?
        Secondly. The army and the cadet corps ... Well, it’s somewhere quite ranks. Well, like there, behind the fence ...
      2. ty60
        ty60 10 July 2016 21: 32
        +1
        Dig two holes, here and here. And I go down and find out from the company, where do I need to?
    2. Sunseich
      Sunseich 10 July 2016 20: 48
      +1
      yeah, we have ...
      mat-remat, even from girls ...
      I have an attitude towards cadetism because of such examples, let's say, unkind ...
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 10 July 2016 21: 35
        +1
        Quote: SanSeich
        yeah, we have ...
        mat-remat, even from girls ...
        I have an attitude towards cadetism because of such examples, let's say, unkind ...

        I agree. "The son of the regiment" ... This title had to be earned! Vanya Solntsev. The current cadets don't even know who he is!
  7. PKK
    PKK 10 July 2016 19: 13
    +3
    Parenting also includes protecting children and adolescents from all the filth that creeps in everywhere. While young people, as in the old days, will not be afraid and respect their elders .. understandably. But elders should be adequate not only to alcohol, but also to sports. the example of elders is not in favor of health.
  8. Utlan
    Utlan 10 July 2016 19: 20
    -3
    It seems to me that all the boys should cadets, in order to teach them love for their homeland from childhood, to be able to handle weapons, discipline, respect for their comrade. And finally feel what physical pain is on themselves. Then there would be less crime and all kinds of LGBT people there and the boys would grow up as real men and not by anyone. Since tsarist Russia, boys and girls studied separately, and I think it’s right, it’s a pity that now men and women have been equally divided since childhood, but this is not right. Women and I have different tasks in life and the methods of education should be different
  9. kind
    kind 10 July 2016 19: 22
    +5
    Suvorovtsy 3 courses (7th grade). much more independent and decent peers from ordinary schools. It was at this age that they laid the foundations of patriotism and pride in their homeland! In a few years, they will constitute the main backbone of the state, both in military and in public service. The dispute is inappropriate here, a lot depends on the parents. So, time will tell everything.
  10. demotivator
    demotivator 10 July 2016 19: 22
    +9
    The impression of the article is contradictory. Is it necessary to contrast the cadet schools of the Moscow Region and the Ministry of Education, only on the grounds that in the first, the cadets live around the clock in the barracks, and in the second there isn’t this? The author believes that the latter suffers from this patriotism. Let me disagree with him. After leaving the service, I had the opportunity to work as a deputy in Novosibirsk. Director of the Siberian Cadet Corps, which at that time already had a 5-year history. (http://www.scc-nsk.ru/index.php)
    So, what is that, and patriotism is not to be found there. Cadets from the first to the 11th grades only spend the night at home (except for the pupils of the orphanage # 4, who live there around the clock), and spend the rest of the time in the building. By the way, many parents who are very busy with work and household chores are quite satisfied with this. At each parade in honor of Victory Day in Novosibirsk, the SKK exhibits several boxes that go in the parade after the box of veterans. Every year high school cadets from Novosibirsk leave for the Leningrad Region to participate in the Search expedition - they raise and reburial the remains of the dead Soviet soldiers. In summer, during the holidays, everyone goes through summer camp gatherings in their own camp on the banks of the Ob reservoir. A lot of things useful for the education of a warrior and a patriot are being done in this corps. Although he is not in the Ministry of Defense but in the Ministry of Education. For 22 years of work, more than 500 graduates graduated from the walls of the building, many of them entered the prestigious universities of the country, linked their lives with serving the Fatherland. Among them there are those who have been awarded state awards.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 11 July 2016 12: 06
      +1
      . Is it necessary to contrast the cadet schools of the Moscow Region and the Ministry of Education,
      it’s not only necessary, but it is precisely MO that must be re-subordinated. There must be some fundamental standards. After training, the children themselves decide what attracts them. This will result in crystallization of personnel for military service.
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 10 July 2016 19: 23
    +2
    An army school for boys is what you need. Cadet schools, Suvorov schools, Nakhimov schools may very well be the future of Russia.
  12. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 10 July 2016 19: 24
    0
    And who is guilty of what is the inequality in the system of training and education of cadets? So, the existing state of affairs suits everyone, and those who are dissatisfied do not want to go against the system and be white crows
  13. German Titov
    German Titov 10 July 2016 19: 25
    +12
    Let this "babbling" remain babbling. I was born and raised in Donbass. DF Yazov gave me the primary title "Mamleya". I did not graduate from the "Cadet Corps", I did not learn to betray. I have not left my homeland, Donbass, and I am not going to - I have been fighting for it since 2014. I have the honor to bow.
  14. sabakina
    sabakina 10 July 2016 19: 30
    +1
    [quote = vsoltan] Yes quite reasonable undertaking - cadetism / quote]
    And what is rationality? The fact that the parents could not teach to love the Motherland, and therefore let other people's uncles teach? Dad taught me with a belt! Cheap and cheerful! Normally, any "co-operator" is ready to enter from the left ...
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 10 July 2016 21: 40
      +1
      Cons accepted. But are your children ready to die for the people?
  15. sogdianec
    sogdianec 10 July 2016 19: 35
    +3
    Quote: Roman Ilushchenko
    The phrase “Cadres decide everything” is familiar to everyone. Stalin did not take it from the ceiling. He used the powerful personnel potential of the Russian Empire, which became the basis for government, declared a workers 'and peasants'


    That is, the author of the article claims that the officers and officers of the Russian Empire continued to serve in Soviet Russia under Stalin? What did the Cadet Corps exist in the 30s? That the former cadets continued to serve in the Red Army as commanders? Maybe the author flew from another planet?
  16. berezin1987
    berezin1987 10 July 2016 19: 39
    +2
    Cadet education is a great idea, but what to do with current officials is a big question. We need 25 years until a change comes to the 90's generation, and this time our enemies will try not to give us. Therefore, it is necessary now to toughen the penalties for corruption, abuse, sabotage and rigidly sift the candidacy for leadership positions. I am a supporter of the Chinese / Stalinist method of re-educating the guilty, he actually proved his effectiveness in difficult times.
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 11 July 2016 00: 08
      -1
      Quote: berezin1987
      We need 25 years until a change comes to the generation of the 90s, and this time our enemies will try not to give us.

      All our main enemies are here.
      Quote: berezin1987
      Therefore, it is necessary now to toughen the penalties for corruption, abuse, sabotage and rigidly sift the candidacy for leadership positions.

      With this system, this is impossible. All these measures can be implemented only under the dictatorship of the proletariat, i.e. subject to the people's power.

      PS I plus you, however.
  17. Ilotan
    Ilotan 10 July 2016 19: 46
    +13
    There are many, much more people waving their tongues, shaking their heads reproachfully and complaining about the poor organization of the patriotic education of young people than those who want to come to school and do this education in practice. I know the problem firsthand. After retirement for health reasons (26 calendar years, 32 with preferential ones) for several years I have been managing cadet classes at school. 3 years I could not find an assistant - there are no people willing to work with young people. You can joke about the quality of cadet education and patriotic upbringing as much as you like, but first ask yourself, what have you done to change this sad picture for the better. And you don't have to go far: start with your child and his friends in the yard. I sleep peacefully at night: my cadets do not smoke, they know who Alexander Matrosov is, they read the map, know how to navigate the terrain, disassemble the machine in 10-12 seconds (some in 7) and shoot well. This is about the "external manifestations of" militarism " in "civil" cadet educational institutions. The author is sick of the cause, but he is not familiar with the topic.
    1. Anchonsha
      Anchonsha 10 July 2016 20: 46
      +2
      Ilotan I wish you good health and continue, just continue your work further. Such as you need to cherish, so that our children are Soviet-educated, which is not bad, although officials and party bosses, starting with the regional level of the former USSR, lived no worse than ours kings. It is necessary not to do such creatures since childhood. Only then will Russia always exist. We need Peresvet, Nevsky, Minin and Pozharsky, Kutuzov and Suvorov, Zhukov, humanities Pavlova, Boqueria, Mendeleev. So do your owl a thing, Ilotan, as you did.
    2. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 10 July 2016 20: 53
      +3
      Quote: Ilotan
      You can quit as much as you like about the quality of cadet education and patriotic education, but first ask yourself what you did to make this sad picture change for the better.

      It is interesting what an individual citizen can do in terms of patriotic education, if the theses are promoted at the state level: "man is a wolf to man", "everyone is on his own," "get rich as you can."
      I hear this "start with yourself" bullshit from everyone who sits on the couch and claps the palms of Putin, Medvedev, Yarovaya, Zhirinovsky and others.
      What kind of patriotism, if 8 crews of cops cannot catch the lost sons, the sons of the oligarchs.
      Or do you propose to educate young people on the example of offshore "cellists" who daily contribute to the prosperity of our Motherland?
      I declare unequivocally that the patriotism of the huckster and the hard worker are two completely different concepts.
      And what kind of patriotism can we talk about if the elite itself is rotten and, in fact, has a camprador character and is anti-patriotic.
      In a state without a clear understanding of morality and total pseudo-patriotism in the state apparatus (all their money, children and immobility over the hill), and what kind of patriotic upbringing can be discussed?
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 10 July 2016 22: 26
        +4
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        I hear this "start with yourself" bullshit from everyone

        Have you tried it yourself? Not in relation to bureaucrats to behave this way - but in relation to ordinary people, those who "with your hands and your head .."?
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 10 July 2016 23: 55
          0
          Quote: avia1991
          Have you tried it yourself? Not in relation to bureaucrats to behave this way - but in relation to ordinary people, those who "with their hands and their heads .."?

          Man, why are you asking, you know everything about me yes
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 11 July 2016 21: 32
            +1
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            Man, why are you asking, you know everything about me

            That's why I ask - so that others would understand hi
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 12 July 2016 00: 29
              0
              Quote: avia1991
              That's why I ask - so that others would understand

              Sergei, this is from the series "who did not love, he will not understand."
              is it possible to knock on "cotton wool"? you can't get through a damn thing, everything is dull in "cotton wool" and sadly optimistic repeat
    3. avia1991
      avia1991 10 July 2016 22: 33
      +3
      Quote: Ilotan
      to the question of "external manifestations of" militarism "in" civilian "cadet educational institutions.

      Let me ask you: Where did you get the disassembly-assembly machine? "Orientation on the terrain": do you have a nearby forest where you train, or are you provided with transport for transporting children? And who allocates a place for training, provides a material base?
      I can ask a number of questions, and all in essence. The point is: in addition to your own participation, the participation of many more people is required - specialists and officials, including material ones. And not everything depends on your desire and enthusiasm.
      1. Army soldier2
        Army soldier2 11 July 2016 09: 57
        +1
        For disassembly-assembly, a mass-size model is excellent. Available from 20 to 25 thousand rubles. And the gun room is not needed.
        The article is not about anything - the author simply does not know the state of affairs.
        Ilotan knows the situation from the inside, works and has a result. Honor and praise to him. And sabakina's neighbor lives next to the cadet corps, and he told him the whole truth - a cool comment from the "marshal"!
        Take a look at Art. 86 Education Act. Everything is written there. Who and what cadet educational organizations can establish.
        The problems in cadet education are full. There are also those that differ from school only in form. Problems must be solved. But to solve them without tearing the ass from the sofa is impossible. And the Russian Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and the Ministry of Emergencies can be involved in cooperation. And a socially oriented business can and should be attracted.
        And there are such examples, you need to own a theme!
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 11 July 2016 21: 39
          0
          Quote: Army 2
          For disassembly-assembly, a mass-size model is excellent. Available from 20 to 25 thousand rubles.

          Quote: Army 2
          There are such examples, you need to own a theme!

          That's right: you need to own the topic! And you with your offer "buy for 25 thousand." the mass and size model will be sent to hell - simply because such funding is not provided!
          Opening a cadet class is not a problem, they will open it. But then - everything is on enthusiasm. Moreover, if it works out, you will be very surprised to learn HOW MUCH CHINUSH and all kinds of entrepreneurs, deputies, etc. - You were "helped" in this matter! wassat
  18. masiya
    masiya 10 July 2016 19: 53
    +1
    Children up to 10-12 years old should be brought up at home in the right patriotic and social direction, and not wait when they put something into their heads in cadet or other educational institutions. The basis should be one - and only then will a worthy DEFENDER of the FATHERLAND grow up, with all those attached ... !!!
  19. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 10 July 2016 20: 32
    0
    I went through the author, katstsa strongly. It’s just necessary to rewrite all the programs and textbooks that the migrant women wrote to us for schools and universities, for kindergartens and demand their implementation, so that children are brought up not by egoists, but by those who feel the elbow of a friend, neighbor.
  20. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 10 July 2016 21: 12
    +1
    Cadetism must be of high quality then it will be good. otherwise we have cadet classes in almost every school. in some even different orientations, sailors, landmen, astronauts and a lot of other things are all led by one teacher, who lived for the whole school, often did not even serve in the army. What is the quality and education? it's a fashion just for cadet classes
  21. weksha50
    weksha50 10 July 2016 21: 44
    0
    "power and profile ministries and departments, which should be most interested in training their personnel, contain only 40 such institutions on their balance sheets - a fifth. The rest are under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Education and Science and educational bodies of the Federation"...

    It seems that Shoigu started making some progress towards removing the cadet corps from under the auspices of the Ministry of Education ... A couple of times I came across such information ...
    Naturally, he meets resistance from the Ministry of Education and the one who covers it (I will not point it with my finger) ...
    And then it will not be at all surprising if small iPhones will hatch from such cadet corps ...
  22. avia1991
    avia1991 10 July 2016 22: 22
    +1
    Having parted with the alma mater, they maintain not only horizontal ties with classmates, but also vertical ones — with course officers, teachers, and service veterans. A feeling of widespread support, a sense of elbow, the ability to "check the clock"
    and not just watches, Roman. Here, in VO, the other day there was an article:
    https://topwar.ru/97677-razve-zolotye-malchiki-poydut-zaschischat-rodinu-o-nasle
    dstvennoy-elite-novoy-rossii.html # comment-id-6044727
    Read if not read. They are tackling the topic that you raised, and believe me, everything will be wonderful there! .. Just such institutions under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - they are "not for everyone." And patriots there, probably, will soon be nurtured, meaning the patriotism "Family", or "Clan".
    But the Ministry of Education will be in charge of cadet classes and schools intended to create the appearance of "equal opportunities for all"... Naturally, the level of training in such "schools" will correspond to the level of ordinary schools, which the Ministry of Education with such zeal "lowers" below the plinth!
  23. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 11 July 2016 00: 07
    0
    The article says: "1937 artillery, seven naval and 1946 air special schools of the USSR People's Commissariat of Education, created in the period from 20 to 20". There is an inaccuracy. Until 1966, there was no union body for the management of secondary education. There were only republican people's commissariats, and then the ministries of education. And only in 1966 the Union-Republican Ministry of Education of the USSR was formed.
  24. user3970
    user3970 11 July 2016 07: 41
    +2
    At first it’s not about cadetism. I had to work in an orphanage - the Center for rehabilitation for minors., Such as a veranda in the house. Children were found on the streets, taken by signals from dysfunctional families, runners, etc. They brought them to the Center, this is a suburb, almost a resort area, doctors from all directions examined comprehensively for the presence of diseases, fed, dressed, put on shoes, clean bed, psychologists and etc. Then quarantine, and then, while documents are collected and the further fate of the child is determined, an ordinary school. But it's not that. The people. You can’t imagine what a cool business this is for officials! Money for the maintenance of abandoned children is spent exorbitantly! About 80 rubles were spent on a child in our Center alone. per month. And count how many orphanages in Russia? And pedophilia of children - no one has canceled orphans! The accumulated money is squeezed out, they are deprived of the right housing. But this is not even the main thing! After the orphanage, a guy and a girl go out as associative, that is, completely unprepared for a future life. They cannot serve themselves, they do not teach this in dd They are not ready for life in society. As a result, prostitution, prison. That’s exactly for them, military discipline, drill, full-time work of the whole day is needed. Recall the girls of the Smolny Institute. For girls: home economics, needlework, cooking, art. For children: specific labor lessons, military and physical training. And the most important thing . If at least half of the money now spent on the maintenance of orphans in orphanages was given to trustees and adoptive parents, there would be no problem with orphanhood.
  25. Fox
    Fox 11 July 2016 08: 07
    0
    Sister left school after working with the cadet classes for 5 months. According to her, she was dumber and brazen for 30 years at the school. In Togliatti, if anything, and in Samara, the guy has children, discipline be healthy!
    1. Platonich
      Platonich 11 July 2016 08: 47
      0
      it is not given to everyone! With guys you need to behave as a guy and set an example in everything: then they will respect and love you !!!
  26. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 11 July 2016 09: 04
    +1
    In my opinion, the Suvorov, Nakhimov and other cadet colleges / corps / schools should only be in the system of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ... the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other law enforcement agencies (but it is possible to limit itself simply to the Armed Forces) ... with elements of discipline inherent in the personnel service in the Armed Forces. ..
    And we need to get rid of this system of "blat" ... admission / enrollment on a call of "necessary" boys and girls ... blat brought to the point of absurdity decomposes the system in which a person has the opportunity to become someone by virtue of his talent and competence in the service of the Motherland ...
  27. black
    black 11 July 2016 12: 09
    0
    The best education is given by the presidential cadet corps. Enrollment from the fifth grade, double room with a computer. Private pool and sports complex. Weekend cultural events. The other day there was a conversation. Two boys, by chance, having fallen from Suvorovsky to the presidential cadet corps, refused to return, although it was closer to home. And the author of the article does not see the result of the work of these educational institutions due to the time factor. How many graduates are now? Lieutenants, at best, run around.
  28. Buffet
    Buffet 11 July 2016 22: 41
    0
    As for the cadet institutions under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Education and Science, almost a third of them are in fact ordinary schools that carry out specialized activities without organizing accommodation in a military hostel, the fundamental principle of cadet education.

    And here, please read more. What, who where ...?