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Stop feeding the EU

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Let's try to imagine: the Nazi divisions took Smolensk and rush further east. But Moscow, Leningrad and everyone who goes on, up to Vladivostok, live with ordinary peaceful cares, radio (television is not yet available) offers entertainment programs around the clock. Approximately this situation is now in Russia.


When the West openly imposed sanctions against Russia, many of our politicians declared that it was essentially a declaration of war to us, and a hybrid war at the same time economic, informational, diplomatic, political, threatened with a direct military "lightning-disarming strike", for which high-tech types were invented weapons - from space to climate and nanoelectronic. Military groups are created at our borders and maneuvers are held, the Americans dictate their own rules for sailing warships in the Black Sea, etc. Politicians, and not the last in terms of position and weight, from influential deputy Vyacheslav Nikonov to Secretary of the Security Council Nikolai Patrushev - stress that Russia faces war for destruction, the goal of the enemy is for our state to disappear from the world map. But does the Russian Federation look like a belligerent, defending country?

“The Great Depression made the monopolies of the West seize upon Soviet orders, and the contradictions between the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers became particularly acute”
In the USSR, before the war, a song was often broadcast on the radio, the chorus of which ended with the words: “We live merrily today, And tomorrow we will be merry!”. But along with this, there were some others: “If tomorrow is war ...”, “Be ready.” The state skillfully kept the balance between “Be ready” and “We live merrily ...” People were inspired with optimism, but there were always calls to be ready for any tests, embodied in the occupations of the active part of the population in the Voroshilovsky shooter and Anti-chemical defense circles, skydiving and gliding. There is nothing like this today (except for the very modest DOSAAF events).

What do the politicians offer that feel the threats to the country and try to stop them? Usually a set of standard recipes, in principle, correct, but not applicable to the current situation: industrialization, the transition to a mobilization economy, import substitution. The reader can add to this list. I will briefly discuss some of them.

It has long become commonplace: "Russia is deindustrialized." There was a powerful industry, and in 90 it was destroyed. From here follows: it is necessary to restore it. Probably, the enemies only dream of us taking this path. We have already been thrown up many times by false directions of development - from a comprehensive market to the PIO, and we pecked at the bait. And now we will spend our scarce resources, and when the restored industry comes into operation, it turns out, firstly, that it is outdated, and secondly, there is no one to work. Briefly about these possible outcomes.

What is industrialization

The first. Plants, of course, need to be built, but only with the latest technology. We have almost none of them, we invite foreign investors to come with them. But these calculations are unlikely to be justified. The investor may suggest a technology that is relevant at the time of the conclusion of the transaction, that is, implemented and tested, which has been used for several years. But usually he is already developing another, newest. As long as we master the one that was brought to us, the next one will be launched abroad, and our country will again be behind. In addition, the investor creates equipment with a precisely calculated service life, so that the consortium on Sakhalin, after pumping out oil and gas, will leave, leaving behind it a pile of metal trash and disfigured nature. Reliance on foreign investment and technology is the key to the permanent backlog of our country. It can reach such a stage, when even having received secret information about the latest foreign technology, we will not be able to figure it out. The savage, having received a Kalashnikov assault rifle and, separately, among other things, the cartridges for it, most likely will begin to use it as a metal club. So the Americans, having stolen some Soviet technologies in 90, could not understand them and asked the Russian authorities to send a group of competent specialists to them.

Stop feeding the EU
The second. Not every country can be industrialized, for this we need a people who can implement it. After all, the very word "industry" means activity. However, this word has other meanings, they are listed in the pre-revolutionary Latin-Russian dictionary: hard work, diligence, diligence, diligence ... When was the last time we saw a TV show about the need to educate these qualities among young people? They have 25 years of no favor. Therefore, there are five percent of highly skilled workers in Russia (mostly elderly people). In developed countries - half and more. Young people in the workplace is not, it is not prestigious. The modern school provides such a poor education that in higher education institutions the first two semesters, or even longer, have to teach students what they had to learn in order to receive a certificate. You can imagine the quality of today certified specialists, if the repetition of the school course takes so much time from classes in the future profile.

The prestige of our high school has fallen dramatically. But nobody cares, because real specialists are not demanded by our economy, it is managed by “effective managers”, who often do not understand anything in production, but are able to send cash flows, including budget funds, into the pockets of business owners (without forgetting themselves ). This is one of the main causes of high accidents in all areas. There are enterprises that prepare highly qualified personnel for themselves, pay for their studies in universities and business trips for practical work, but such cases can be counted on the fingers.

How did Stalin industrialize, relying on foreign investment and using personnel trained from illiterate peasants? It was a unique case in which the Great Depression forced the monopolies of the West to seize upon the chance for salvation for Soviet orders, and the contradictions between the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers became particularly acute. We were offered a truly new technology at that time. The USSR bought whole factories, the best designers of the West worked for it, on-site construction was supervised by American and European engineers, blue-collar workers from advanced countries acted as instructors of our workers. But the peasants, of whom it was necessary to train personnel, were ready for the “industry”, they did not have to take diligence and diligence. There is almost no such human material in the country today, and we need to fill at least 25 with millions of highly skilled jobs.

On the degree of destruction of our industry and the fact from which absolute zero you have to start a new industrialization, says this fact. Domestic machine tool industry (this is still the core of the industry) meets the needs of the economy by less than one percent. The rest (that is, almost all) machines we buy abroad.

Does this mean that the new industrialization of Russia is impossible? Not at all. Only need to keep in mind two circumstances. Firstly, industrialization must be carried out, ensuring the coordinated work of thousands of enterprises. This means that it cannot be carried out by a private trader, and the state needs a system for planning this process and controlling the use of finances and the execution of tasks. Secondly, the Russian worker can work, seized by a patriotic idea, selflessly, but only when he feels involved in the cause of state-building, will he work for a private owner only because of a piece of bread for the sake of.

Such an understanding of the problem of industrialization begins to make its way, but it has not yet become the mainstream of state and social thought. The crisis will make these realities aware. Just not too late.

What is a mobilization economy

This question is also a simple policy, although in different ways. For example, to declare that, due to the exacerbation of the international situation, a transition to a ten-hour working day and a six-day working week is being carried out, a barracks situation is introduced for employees of certain important enterprises, being late for work by more than 20 minutes, and even less for going out or dismissing without serious respect reasons considered a criminal offense (for example, laws adopted in the USSR on the eve of World War II). And of course, the mobilization of all resources (in the Soviet Union, when the need for mercury was revealed for the atomic project, thermometers disappeared from pharmacies), rationing of food and industrial goods consumption, etc. Such measures (sometimes even ritual) were practiced in the West. During the war years, even in the White House, tea was drunk not with sugar, but with saccharin, but in London, Princess Elizabeth (the future queen) personally cultivated a garden in the park at the royal palace, so as not to get more food than other citizens. But in modern Russia such measures are impossible.


Most of the production belongs to private owners, including foreign ones, to whom our law is not written at all. Yes, and almost all large enterprises outside the public sector, listed as Russian owners, are in a foreign jurisdiction. Calls for their beneficiaries to return home, promises of amnesty of capital and forgiveness of other sins have not yet found a positive response.

If we take the workers, there are few of them in our state sector, and those employed in private enterprises are subject to the internal regulations drawn up by the owners. But there are more private security guards in the country than military personnel, a lot of “office plankton”, as well as nowhere working, living in savings or unearned income. This is their right, as well as the inviolability of private property, guaranteed by the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Try to mobilize an army of brokers, dealers or merchandisers. There will be a lot of protests, but zero sense, because they are eaters, not workers.

In its present state, Russia's economy is not ready for mobilization. But in principle?

Of course, the Russian people and in much more difficult circumstances could mobilize all the resources to win. But this requires at least three conditions. First, if it is not yet possible to nationalize private ownership of the means of production, it is nevertheless necessary that it also serve the interests of society (such a provision is recorded, in particular, in the constitution of the Federal Republic of Germany). Secondly, if the worker must be “chained to the machine tool,” then the boss must also go to his workplace. Thirdly, it is necessary to eliminate the blatant social stratification, which currently exists in the Russian Federation, when top managers earn millions of rubles a day, and the “lower classes” do not have enough money to buy bread. Grocery cards and free meals for the poor are a bourgeois way of softening social stratification, it looks like a mockery of the Russian understanding of justice. The implementation of these conditions would mean a revolution - preferably “from above”.

Russian Reconquista

The Arabs conquered Spain and Portugal from the 7th century - gradually, province by province, kingdom by kingdom. Reconquista - the process of recapturing these lands - was completed only at the turn of the XV – XVI centuries.

Russia in the field of economics in 90, passed not only foreign markets to foreign capital, but also almost completely domestic, and this process continued (even gaining momentum) in 2000.

Just go to any store to see how ineffective our counter-sanctions. Yes, European farmers are losing our market, but transnational corporations are essentially unaffected by Russian countermeasures. Almost all consumer goods are produced by ten TNCs. Each produces products and trades in more than 100 countries. Goods prohibited for import from one or more countries will be replaced with exactly the same, formally produced in another.

The loss of our domestic market means the strangulation of domestic production. If the prevailing part of the tractors and combines needed by Russia (80% of their fleet was sent by liberal reformers as scrap metal abroad) is imported, then, naturally, we do not have our own engineering industry - neither common nor agricultural. And so in everything. And how to ensure the independence of the country, not having basic industries, and advanced level?

On the other hand, the loss of the domestic market leads to a decrease in the standard of living of our people and pumping out of Russia the capital necessary for its development. Strangulation of domestic producers means the bankruptcy of enterprises, unemployment, the impoverishment of the population. As for profit, it (with the exception of crumbs in the form of taxes) goes to the country of the investor. In Russia, do not stay funds for development. So, our people to a large extent work not for themselves, but for someone else’s uncle. The overall picture in the economy is masked by the use of the GDP indicator (gross domestic product, which takes into account everything that is produced by native and foreign enterprises), and not GNP (gross national product, which includes only domestic production).

Now in Russia should begin Reconquista. The goal is to win back our domestic market from the West and the East. Partly to this country pushed anti-Russian sanctions. But the main emphasis placed by the authorities on import substitution. From all over the country there are reports of his successes. Somewhere, new cattle-breeding complexes are being built, somewhere they are expanding the areas of gardens and vineyards. However, the real picture is more complicated than it is drawn in reports from the field.

We could fully provide ourselves with potatoes. However, both the seed and the cultivation technology are obtained by import. Poultry farmers are increasing production of chicken, but we also buy eggs to get broilers in the West, not to mention the fact that the equipment of poultry farms (and the food industry in general) is mainly imported, there is nothing to quickly replace it. The selection work has been started, here our lag is measured in dozens of years, but the necessary personnel to overcome it are missing.

The key problems of the development of the national economy are solvable only with the directing participation of the state, which so far has allowed the matter to run its course.
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  1. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 8 July 2016 10: 38
    +24
    You will not say anything - an urgent article. To the author +.
    Much has been said about raising production and machine building; unfortunately, new things are being done very slowly.
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 8 July 2016 11: 29
      +7
      Yes, probably everyone wants the "Greatness of Russia in all directions", but after the period of "fraternization with the West" it will not be possible to restore everything at once. Even if we stop multibillion-dollar theft and misuse of funds, there will not be enough money. This requires hundreds of trillions, not billions, and the Borodach-style aphorism "Forgive and understand", combined with calls to return money to the economy of your country, will not help.
      At the same time, over the past 16 years, a huge leap has been made, associated with the collapse of the country, the army and other attributes of statehood. And not all "tigers of Asia" can boast of such terms, and even in comparison with the corresponding investments of the West in their economies. The wrong country, the wrong scale of devastation, and the wrong time and investment required to restore greatness!
      1. Timmer
        Timmer 8 July 2016 11: 41
        +5
        You write correctly, not all at once. No need to panic, everything is going fine. Sudden movements are generally contraindicated.
      2. Cat man null
        Cat man null 9 July 2016 02: 40
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir61
        At the same time, over the past 16 years a huge leap has been made, associated with the collapse of the country, the army and other attributes of statehood

        If in Russian, then you just said that over the past 16 years:

        - destroyed (completely) the army
        - ruined the country
        - and "other attributes of statehood" - also destroyed

        You exactly what you wanted to say? what
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 8 July 2016 11: 44
      +4
      Quote: Corsair0304
      You will not say anything - an urgent article. To the author +.
      Much has been said about raising production and machine building; unfortunately, new things are being done very slowly.

      Check out the Madeownas website. There is a lot of positive news every day. And about the machine tool and mechanical engineering. It's just that our media is apparently not very interested in covering this topic.
      1. 34 region
        34 region 8 July 2016 12: 08
        +4
        Movie! 11.44. Yes, we read MADE AT US. Too small for a country like Russia. All of these made by us, this is the level of the brigade, site, workshop of the Soviet era. And if you take the Soviet time, then everything was created literally before our eyes. The activity was visible without the media. Today I see a different reality. But what seems a lot is really nothing. It’s a lot when everything happens before your eyes. It's a lot. And a lot in the media means nothing. So, to boost the spirit and support the pants. hi
      2. Al1977
        Al1977 8 July 2016 12: 17
        +15
        Quote: Muvka
        Check out the Madeownas website. There is a lot of positive news every day. And about the machine tool and mechanical engineering. It's just that our media is apparently not very interested in covering this topic.

        In my work (supply of industrial equipment) I will say that the purchasing power of enterprises has declined sharply. All modernization is carried out only as a last resort. When they used to buy a machine, now they are looking for spare parts for it. Orders decreased by 50%, and from month to month there are no improvements. Stably bad ...
        Some enterprises may be doing something, but the economy has stopped ...
        Gref won today that on deposits from Sberbank, an increase in money from individuals and a reduction in legal entities. This also says that no one is spending anything ...
        The last laws of the Duma ... You yourself see, the law of Spring. What is it for? To improve the economy? Now we’ll cover both cell phones and Internet users? Some kind of game, not power, in fact ..
        1. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 8 July 2016 20: 45
          +1

          Quote: Al1977
          In my work (supply of industrial equipment) I will say that the purchasing power of enterprises has declined sharply. All modernization is carried out only as a last resort. When they used to buy a machine, now they are looking for spare parts for it. Orders decreased by 50%, and from month to month there are no improvements. Stably bad ...
          Some enterprises may be doing something, but the economy has stopped ...
          Gref won today that on deposits from Sberbank, an increase in money from individuals and a reduction in legal entities. This also says that no one is spending anything ...
          The last laws of the Duma ... You yourself see, the law of Spring. What is it for? To improve the economy? Now we’ll cover both cell phones and Internet users? Some kind of game, not power, in fact.

          A good comment from a colleague, specifically in terms of Gref, and perhaps everything else. The attitude towards this member of the "circle", or the circle of a member, I cannot name it otherwise, after the public humiliation of our people, except for disgust, nothing causes anything, but nevertheless, IT allows itself public advice on financial policy!
          Looks like the "king" is either sick, or ........ But in our country more than half of the population believes that the tsar is good! Then the question arises, according to Turgenev "Who lives well in Russia ......" hi
    3. g1v2
      g1v2 8 July 2016 12: 14
      +11
      To the author - a minus for a couple of sensible things - a ton of lies and fraud. Domestic machine tool building covers the country's needs by 12 percent, and not by one. Even a few years ago it was 5, not one, since then the number of domestic machines more than doubled.
      On tractors in general, fraud is solid. Import of tractors from foreign countries - less than 10 percent (about 7-8). The bulk of tractor imports were Belarusian and Kharkov light tractors, which were assembled from us from their car kits. Now the number of such assemblies is sharply reduced, and the number of domestic tractors is growing sharply. Now there were already 42 percent of fully domestic tractors in the region, and these were mostly expensive heavy tractors. Belorussian assembled from car kits are slightly less than 40 percent and their number is constantly falling, and these are light tractors. Less than 10 percent were Kharkov and their number is also falling. The Germans transfer the production of their tractors to us and promise from 60 to 80 percent of the localization, etc. In general, if an article is based on fake data, then several common ideas will not save it.
      1. almen1
        almen1 9 July 2016 02: 32
        +5
        Please name the brand of our tractors, I live in a village and there is nothing besides MTZ.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 24 September 2016 06: 51
          +1
          Quote: almen1
          Please name the brand of our tractors,

        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 24 September 2016 06: 53
          0
          Quote: almen1
          Please name the brand of our tractors,

    4. Mikado
      Mikado 8 July 2016 12: 46
      +4
      Quote: Corsair0304
      You will not say anything - an urgent article. To the author +.
      Much has been said about raising production and machine building; unfortunately, new things are being done very slowly.

      The article is topical. Both the author + and you +.
      Only now there will be a people who will be minuscule and say that everything is fine with us, and there is no need to rock anything.
      So no one swings. All patriots. And none of the American embassy receives money. But industry really needs to be raised.
      How many tractors does the Kirov plant produce? It seems last year on one Ride Medvedev ..
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 8 July 2016 20: 10
        +4
        Quote: Mikado
        So no one swings. All patriots. And none of the American embassy receives money. But industry really needs to be raised.
        How many tractors does the Kirov plant produce? It seems that last year on one Medvedev drove ..


        How many tractors produce Vladimirsky plant ?
        In our city in MUP "Spetstrans" all light tractors - Belarusian, half of special vehicles - MAZs ...

        It is necessary, first of all, to produce and operate YOUR equipment ...
      2. igrok
        igrok 8 July 2016 20: 21
        +1
        This year they rolled, and they are letting out according to estimates that I see at least 200 that's for sure, those who have a wheel more than a car
      3. borisenkofff
        borisenkofff 8 July 2016 21: 23
        +6
        At work, I come across the products of the Kirov plant and I can say that now the plant is loaded at least until the end of the year. no applications for tractors are accepted for this year. about 40 tractors are produced per month. yes, this is negligible compared to the need. but before the introduction of sanctions, God forbid, they were producing 5-10 pieces or even less. so there is some progress. but we all know how hard it is to restore what is destroyed. some workshops were closed altogether, now production is being gradually modernized. new workshops for the production of plastic cladding, etc. Also with regard to the Rostselmash plant. every day I drive past him to work and see the harvesters being unloaded every day. and in conversations with factory workers, I have heard more than once words of gratitude to Obama for the sanctions. In general, in my opinion, there are positive aspects
      4. Cat man null
        Cat man null 9 July 2016 03: 56
        +1
        Quote: Mikado
        How many tractors does the Kirov plant produce?

        - here, offhand just:


        - that is, according to an estimate, in the year about 1300 pieces of only this nomenclature
        - if we take into account that the Kirov plant not only produces K-744R (and indeed, not only tractors), then everything is really not so bad as they want to show here ... some separately taken comrades negative
    5. cyberhanter
      cyberhanter 8 July 2016 21: 14
      +6
      In general, the Communists say the same thing. And the most difficult step for our government is progressive taxation - a long overdue thing and absolutely necessary. But she will only scare away the oligarchy
    6. Buffet
      Buffet 8 July 2016 23: 25
      +4
      Well, what's the point? That's who would take and did. And then Putin and Medvedev are not interested in our economy. They Kudrin walks in authority ... And Serdyukov quietly sitting in Russian Helicopters ...
      1. electra
        electra 25 September 2016 00: 41
        0
        But what, in the absence of sovereignty - Putin and Medvedev rule the country as kings?
  2. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 8 July 2016 10: 38
    +10
    So them, edrit them and twist them to the left :) But seriously, the problem is the same - which was, is and will always be with us and because of which we will always co ... lose to our "partners". This is the absence of a coherent concept for the development of the state for at least several decades of the next few years. How can you develop an industry if you don't know what you want to get in the end? Which industries do we develop and which do we export? And I don’t know .. And is it really a problem - that we cannot normally grow our chickens and potatoes, against the background of the fact that we cannot make powerful computers for our own weapons and are forced to buy them from a potential enemy, with all the consequences. ...
    1. Imperialkolorad
      Imperialkolorad 8 July 2016 10: 55
      +1
      In general, I agree, but please choose more closely examples.

      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      we cannot grow our chickens normally

      This is just how we can grow chickens. Thanks to the poultry producers, and Onishchenko, of course.
      1. Al1977
        Al1977 8 July 2016 12: 19
        +1
        Quote: ImperialKolorad
        This is just how we can grow chickens. Thanks to the poultry producers, and Onishchenko, of course.

        Compound feed and egg for breeding are imported. These are not our chickens.
        1. Imperialkolorad
          Imperialkolorad 8 July 2016 12: 47
          +2
          Quote: Al1977
          Compound feed and egg for breeding are imported. These are not our chickens.

          This is already a question for the production of animal feed and eggs. All the same, our chickens are grown as they are grown entirely in the territory of the Russian Federation. Something seems to me you confuse warm with soft.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 8 July 2016 13: 07
            +1
            Quote: ImperialKolorad
            [This is already a question for the production of animal feed and eggs directly. All the same, our chickens are grown as they are grown entirely in the territory of the Russian Federation. Something seems to me you confuse warm with soft.

            Question of the amateur in hens: can I buy a production license from us? If so, why not.
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 8 July 2016 11: 15
      +5
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      This is the lack of a clear concept of the development of the state for at least several dozen years to come. How can industry be developed if you don’t know what you want to get as a result? Which industries do we develop and which ones do we export?



      So the author hinted rather opaquely that without direct government and economic planning, nothing can be done with today's disintegration ...

      There is no goal ... There is no system ... But there is an unshakable private property and the main goal of any private enterprise lawfully laid down in its Charter is to achieve profit ...

      Here's how to manage thousands of private enterprises ???
      Yes, in addition, no one wants to control them - from the side of the state, I mean ... "Pay your taxes and sleep well" ...
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 8 July 2016 11: 36
        +8
        Quote: weksha50
        So the author hinted rather opaquely that without direct government and economic planning, nothing can be done with today's disintegration ...

        The author opaquely hinted at the lack of professional staff in the public administration system. "Cadres decide everything" famous quote. Look how cadres are formed in this system! The system of "public administration" has long been turned into a banal feeding trough for its own people: to supply their people, to supply relatives, children, mistresses, etc. "Put" their own on cash flows and milk the budget. The import substitution program is practically overwhelmed, there is no clear program and no one responsible (by surname) for it, the complete irresponsibility of the country's economic bloc leadership. I’m not talking about the deputy corps, we will soon see all the former actresses, athletes, and dartanians in the Duma.
        The article makes us think again about the future of our country and our children.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 8 July 2016 13: 11
          +4
          Quote: kapitan92
          The system of "public administration" has long been turned into a banal feeding trough for its own people: to supply their people, to supply relatives, children, mistresses, etc. "Put" their own on cash flows and milk the budget.

          I would add - temporary workers. Cronyism blooms and smells. And after them - even a flood.
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 8 July 2016 20: 15
          +3
          Quote: kapitan92
          I’m not talking about the deputy corps, we will soon see in the Duma all the former actresses, athletes, children of the "dartanyans".



          Hmm ... So it seems to be as if WE are choosing them ???

          PS I was always surprised by the permanent presence of a "servant of the people" in the Duma - Sobchak's wife Narusova ... And especially - from which districts she was chosen each choice-convocation-election ... I don't remember exactly, but it seems almost from Sakha -Yakutia, Buryatia, Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug ... And there are a lot of them in the Duma ...
      2. 34 region
        34 region 8 July 2016 12: 34
        +5
        Veksha! 11.15. The idea is certainly true. But I can still load. We have a Supreme Commander. This is if the army. Automatically, he is the Supreme Commander of the Russian Economy. There are generals and marshals in the army. They are in the economy. We are here a lot about June 22nd. And the president says that this will not happen again. But if we take the economy, it repeated in the 90s. But on June 22 we recaptured in four years. What is happening now? Are we stupidly losing ground or are we advancing? If translated into army terms. Do we have trophies? Are we losing our positions, defending, or are we advancing? What foreign companies (firms) did we break up? Which captured? Have enemy territories been captured? Do we have different saboteurs in the rear? Economics is also war, but by other methods. I can’t imagine that during the defense of Moscow, Stalin asked Hitler to help Stalin with investments and technologies for the defense of Moscow. And today we beat our foreheads and tearfully beg our economic opponents to help us with investments, technologies, and production. Is this called confrontation with the West? Or is it a quiet surrender to the West?
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 8 July 2016 12: 57
          0
          Quote: Region 34
          ... Automatically, he is the Supreme Commander of the Russian Economy ...

          - delirious ...

          Quote: Region 34
          What foreign companies (firms) did we break up? Which captured?

          “Are you in yourself?”

          Quote: Region 34
          Economics is also war, but by other methods

          - do not misinterpret the classics:

          Quote: Carl von Clausewitz
          War is a continuation of politics by other means

          Quote: V.I. Lenin
          Politics is the most concentrated expression of the economy


          Quote: Region 34
          And today we brow and tearfully beg our economic opponents

          - Why are you doing it? Stop immediately! stop

          Quote: Region 34
          Is this called confrontation with the West?

          - Yes

          Quote: Region 34
          Or is it a quiet surrender to the West?

          - no. Be afraid ... yes
          1. 34 region
            34 region 8 July 2016 13: 48
            +3
            12.57. Is this why Putin is not the Supreme Commander of the Russian Economy? If not him, then who? I am in myself. Just some need to ask a little questions. Putin is not responsible for the Russian economy? Then who is responsible? Every man for himself? What is wrong in my logic? Which logic is correct?
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 8 July 2016 16: 50
              +1
              Quote: Region 34
              Is this why Putin is not the Supreme Commander of the Russian Economy?

              - this is because such a position ... does not happen request
              - this is because the economy cannot be commanded at all
              - it can be grown like a favorite potato. Spud, weed, water ... in a word, groom and cherish. But you can’t command the economy. As, however, and potatoes.

              Quote: Region 34
              Putin is not responsible for the Russian economy?

              Quote: Constitution of the Russian Federation
              Chapter 4. President of Russian Federation.
              ...
              3. President of the Russian Federation in accordance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation and federal laws defines the main directions of domestic and foreign policy of the state
              ...

              Then we recall that part of domestic policy is economic policy (domestic) ... well, and so on.

              Quote: Region 34
              What is wrong in my logic?

              - You all reduce (for some reason) to military operations (capture, defeat, ...)
              - at garden with potatoes these methods to the economy ... are not basic wink

              As an example of real economic cooperation - here VolksWagen in Kaluga has been producing engines since last year ... and they started with a "screwdriver assembly".

              - the company invested money (its own, mind you) in building and launching a modern automobile manufacturing plant in the Russian Federation. This, by the way, is the kind of investment that you write so angrily about
              - mind you, no one "persuaded" the company to build this plant and invest in the Russian Federation
              - they simply created such (economic!) conditions when it became more profitable for the company to transfer production to the Russian Federation
              - in the end - there is a plant in the Russian Federation, citizens of the Russian Federation work at it, and quite competitive products are produced. Is it bad? IMHO is good.

              Quote: Region 34
              Which logic is correct?

              - do not command (in no case)
              - to make a conditions
              - this does not at all mean "smear with honey and sprinkle with sugar", it is ... how to designate the coast, let's say. So that the process goes in the direction in which it is necessary. And in no other yes

              Like this. All IMHO, naturally.
              1. Alf
                Alf 8 July 2016 19: 58
                +3
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - the company invested money (its own, mind you) in building and launching a modern automobile manufacturing plant in the Russian Federation. This, by the way, is the kind of investment that you write so angrily about

                And where does the profit from production go? In whose pocket? States or Volkswagen?
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                As an example of real economic cooperation - here VolksWagen in Kaluga has been producing engines since last year ... and they started with a "screwdriver assembly".

                Cheers cheers ! And how many people work at this plant?
                And how many people worked for Moskvich or Izhe? And where are these people? Behind the gate.
                Why did these plants have to be destroyed? And how many people fed on related enterprises?
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 8 July 2016 21: 37
                  0
                  Quote: Alf
                  And where does the profit from production go? In whose pocket? States or Volkswagen?

                  - um ... Alf, Of course, I understand that nickname obliges ... but why stupid?
                  - let's say you have grown potatoes and sold it in the market
                  - in whose pocket should profit go - yours or the state? lol

                  Quote: Alf
                  Cheers cheers ! And how many people work at this plant?

                  - The Internet is at your service .. I am not interested ...

                  Quote: Alf
                  And how many people worked for Moskvich or Izhe? And where are these people? Behind the gate. Why did these plants have to be destroyed?

                  - Doesn’t it seem to you that this question is already somewhat ... from another opera, no? wink

                  Quote: Alf
                  And how many people fed on related enterprises?

                  - mdya ... Ostap suffered a campaign ...
                  - Alf, console yourself ... Volkswagen probably also has allies yes

                  Something like that.
              2. weksha50
                weksha50 8 July 2016 20: 22
                +2
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                As an example of real economic cooperation - here VolksWagen in Kaluga has been producing engines since last year ... and they started with a "screwdriver assembly".
                - they simply created such (economic!) conditions when it became more profitable for the company to transfer production to the Russian Federation
                ...

                Hmm ... We originally planned to build this plant with us ... Something did not grow together ... Obviously, ours did not create the conditions that the Kaluga residents proposed ...

                And he wouldn’t bother us ... Almost all the more or less able-bodied population works in Moscow, and this is far from the passing beam ...
          2. electra
            electra 25 September 2016 00: 38
            0
            and what are you, cat zero, reassuring here? In the 90s, too, in your opinion, there was no surrender of the country? And now there is no war against Russia? And Russia did not lose the Cold War in 1991, and not in occupation now?
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 8 July 2016 20: 17
          +1
          Quote: Region 34
          Is this called confrontation with the West? Or is it a quiet surrender to the West?



          Do not put salt on my wound...
      3. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 8 July 2016 13: 03
        +2
        Quote: weksha50
        No purpose ... No system ...

        I agree. but the goal is just there - the sacred right of the private trader, the elite as a whole is satisfied with the state of affairs, therefore all decisions are at the level of "taxes, interest rates back and forth." I wonder if there are parties today with a clear program for the development and understanding of the state model on other grounds, instead of "courts and the sacred right of private property." Capital leads to wars, in my opinion now it is already obvious. It is interesting how to combine the advantages of a private owner (flexible response to changing needs) with the advantages of collective property (social orientation), planned economy (resource saving, environmental friendliness, crisis-freeness). I wonder if there are equally powerful positive incentives for constant activity for everyone, other than the accumulation of wealth, what are social relations in a non-capitalist form, etc.
        1. Alf
          Alf 8 July 2016 20: 03
          0
          Quote: IvanIvanov
          I wonder if there are parties today with a clear program for the development and understanding of the state model on other grounds, instead of "courts and the sacred right of private property."

          There is such a party. The Communists of Russia are called. Here is her program.
          http://www.komros.info/about/programma/
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 8 July 2016 20: 28
          +1
          Quote: IvanIvanov
          I wonder if there are parties today with a clear program of development and understanding of the state model on other grounds.


          No. Even many beloved Communist Party operates only with slogans, not taking into account the realities of today's life.

          Give them, as some advise, power even today, the Communist Party will absolutely have no resources to fulfill all its promises ... And to select, share, rob the loot is the old rake ...

          Now, probably, the situation is developing, as in the 20s of the young Soviet state: wars, interventions, raids from all sides, internal counter-revolution, economy-industry-agriculture - in the ass ...

          Maybe today the situation is brewing even more abruptly ...
    3. lelikas
      lelikas 8 July 2016 11: 25
      +4
      On the one hand, the author is right, on the other - he is clearly bending.
      Stalin was preparing for war, anyway, it almost ended in failure, all the factories, having to rebuild the Urals in a new way, what ended the fate of the USSR in recent history - everyone also remembers - although the army was huge and all the factories were state-owned.
      Under sanctions - they concern mainly officials, the defense industry and the provision of loans. that is, in essence - indeed, to some extent, they go for good, it’s another matter how we use them.
      For the production of agricultural machinery - there are combines and tractors and plows with harrows - everything is done - there is a complete excess.
      Again, about whether the "plankton" will defend the Motherland - there will be, maybe not all, but the majority.
      If we are drawn into a new arms race, we won’t pull it. I really want to see our new aircraft carriers - but I understand - not in this life. Though destroyers would see.
  3. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 8 July 2016 10: 38
    +6
    So far, there are, of course, some "inconsistencies" with import substitution. But we are working on it ...
    1. masiya
      masiya 8 July 2016 19: 00
      0
      well, at least a cucumber, and another organ ...
  4. knn54
    knn54 8 July 2016 10: 39
    +10
    Wouldn’t it be easier for the government to dissolve the people and elect another? (Bertold Brecht) ...
  5. Million
    Million 8 July 2016 10: 42
    0
    This Putin is simply not in the know about the situation, otherwise he would have fixed everything)
    1. vlad_vlad
      vlad_vlad 8 July 2016 17: 03
      +2
      it would be better "not in the know." but it turns out that I was in the know for 15 years, and then - razz! - and not in the know.

      I don’t understand at all - do I need to change furniture or girls?
    2. ferdiperdozzz
      ferdiperdozzz 10 July 2016 11: 19
      +1
      Putin is the only person in the country who does not understand nifig in politics and economics. Therefore, we are here on the site, and he is only in the Kremlin.
  6. V.ic
    V.ic 8 July 2016 10: 45
    +14
    This wild capitalism must be "finished". To return to the treasury, grabbed in the dashing 90s. Whom shall we offend by this? Not more than half a percent of the population of the Russian Federation, by default traitors / due to the finding of their accounts in "foreign" banks /. Turn to face the RF Central Bank, now deployed to her opposite place. Just to change, in order to comply with the rule of law, several points in the Constitution of the Russian Federation, written by foreign curators.
    1. A-Sim
      A-Sim 8 July 2016 10: 48
      +7
      The result of these measures is a civil war, most likely. And as for the intervention, do not even hesitate.
      Our government is not ready for consistent actions in any direction. Everything happens on the basis of the situation, which, most often, is an election, and the elections are paid exactly by those whom you propose to take "to the nail."
      1. FID
        FID 8 July 2016 11: 03
        +4
        Quote: A-Sim
        The result of these measures is a civil war, most likely. And as for the intervention, do not even hesitate.

        And why? Who will intercede for Abramovich and Vekselberg?
        1. A-Sim
          A-Sim 8 July 2016 11: 09
          +4
          So no one went to stand up for Rodzianko with the Gudkovs or Milyukovs. We are talking about the social reconstruction of society, and accelerated, i.e. revolutionary class struggle.
        2. Al1977
          Al1977 8 July 2016 12: 21
          +6
          Quote: SSI
          Quote: A-Sim
          The result of these measures is a civil war, most likely. And as for the intervention, do not even hesitate.

          And why? Who will intercede for Abramovich and Vekselberg?

          National Guard.
    2. Al1977
      Al1977 8 July 2016 12: 20
      0
      Quote: V.ic
      This wild capitalism must be "finished".

      Just as communism and socialism ended?))) We will invent our own. We live in a vacuum, but not around successful examples))
    3. Gunxnumx
      Gunxnumx 8 July 2016 14: 10
      +1
      It is interesting, but is it even possible to gradually nationalize the means of production and move on to a planned economy? Bloodless.
      1. Alf
        Alf 8 July 2016 20: 08
        +2
        Quote: Gun70
        It is interesting, but is it even possible to gradually nationalize the means of production and move on to a planned economy? Bloodless.

        Can. If you do not shoot for the deed, but hang it. As before the wording of the Inquisitors was-Execute graciously, without shedding blood. Those. to the fire.
    4. Alf
      Alf 8 July 2016 20: 06
      +2
      Quote: V.ic
      To change something, in order to comply with the law, a few points in the Constitution of the Russian Federation, written by foreign curators.

      And who will do it? EP, which has a majority in the State Duma? Prime Minister, Chairman of EP?
      A president openly declaring that there will be no change of course?
  7. Pathos
    Pathos 8 July 2016 10: 48
    +4
    M yes you are right, youth does not want to work. Everyone wants to sit at the comp and not to do a damn thing. And the wages of the worker wish to leave the best. The difference between the salary of a worker and an engineer is 2 times. In Belarus, the director of the plant receives 6 salaries of a skilled worker, perhaps this is true.
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 8 July 2016 12: 43
      -1
      Quote: Paphos
      Everyone wants to sit at the comp and not to do a damn thing.

      At the computer, you can so get smashed that a hard worker never dreamed of.
      Something hard workers do not break into the office. "Oh. I don't understand anything about this, I'd rather turn the steering wheel." So it is not necessary to tell that in offices they sit doing nothing and rowing loot.
      1. Alf
        Alf 8 July 2016 20: 10
        +1
        Quote: Al1977
        At the computer, you can so get smashed that a hard worker never dreamed of.
        Something hard workers do not break into the office. "Oh. I don't understand anything about this, I'd rather turn the steering wheel." So it is not necessary to tell that in offices they sit doing nothing and rowing loot.

        This does not mean working on computers, like an engineer or designer, but office plankton.
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  10. t118an
    t118an 8 July 2016 11: 04
    +5
    The president says one thing - the government does another. And - very little responsibility!
    Our elite, which, by the way, forms power positions, has neither geopolitical nor strategic convolutions. She thinks not about the country, but mainly about personal interests
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 8 July 2016 12: 22
      +2
      Quote: t118an
      The president says one thing - the government does another.

      Key word SPEAKS. There is a Russian proverb "n ... do not roll bags"
  11. coolvoldik
    coolvoldik 8 July 2016 11: 09
    +4
    Try to mobilize an army of brokers, dealers or merchandisers. There will be many protests, but zero sense, because they are eaters, not workers.

    From personal experience, I was able to verify the lack of qualified specialists at all levels of production. Starting from the worker, ending with the engineering staff. The attempt to build and launch a plant in the Smolensk region ended for investors with a huge headache. Could not recruit 120-130 workers. Workers - until the first holiday. Then you collect a month from the bushes. For three years, they trained former teachers, medical workers, and generally non-drinkers in the specialties of workers and engineers. Managers are not trained at all. During this time, while being trained, we got into such debts .... that the plant eventually passed to the bank. Guys bankers will not miss!
  12. weksha50
    weksha50 8 July 2016 11: 10
    +5
    "industrialization must be carried out, ensuring the coordinated work of thousands of enterprises. This means that it cannot be carried out by a private trader, and the state needs a system for planning this process and control over the use of finances and the fulfillment of tasks"...

    I completely agree with the author, and not only with this phrase ...

    However, when you read such articles, for some reason, a feeling of some kind of despair creeps into the soul ...
    It turned out to be easy to destroy, to ruin what was created by hard work for decades ...

    It would be possible to carry out a new industrialization, but for this we need a powerful team of patriots with an equally powerful leader, and a state model such as a dictatorship ... Blah blah blah in liberal-dermocratic tones will never be able to restore the destroyed, and even more so - go ahead in the development of scientific and technological order ...

    And again, the eternal Russian question - what to do ??? Revolution ??? God forbid !!! It will bring even greater destruction ...

    In general, I agree with the author ... But at heart - disgusting and disgusting ...
    1. rvRomanoff
      rvRomanoff 8 July 2016 11: 41
      +2
      When you read such articles, one gets the impression that the author is stuck in the day before yesterday. Now the process of globalization is underway, and it is already irreversible, if it does not happen, God forbid, what a cataclysm. And the author writes to us about industrialization, in which we still will not be able to compete with China and India. Judging by the fact that we have not yet been gouged, like Yugoslavia, something is being done in our country and is being done right. Even if, at times, there is a feeling that all this can play into the hands of our "partners".
      1. Al1977
        Al1977 8 July 2016 12: 47
        +2
        Quote: rvRomanoff
        Even if, at times, there is a feeling that all this can play into the hands of our "partners".

        Imports from "partners" dropped significantly, the number of tourists went there too.
        No "partner" needs a country with low purchasing power. The poor people become angry. And the evil nuclear power ... So we shouldn't attribute all our troubles to them. Our troubles are solely from OUR rulers, not partners. As much as ours would like to move the arrows.
        1. rvRomanoff
          rvRomanoff 8 July 2016 13: 49
          +3
          Quote: Al1977
          Our troubles are exclusively from OUR ruler

          From YOUR - it is possible. Although in the process of globalization, any rulers are only one of the operating factors, and not always the main one.
      2. Alf
        Alf 8 July 2016 20: 14
        +2
        Quote: rvRomanoff
        . Judging by the fact that we have not yet been gouged, like Yugoslavia, something is being done in our country, and is being done right.

        We were not gouged just because our fathers and grandfathers, not sparing themselves and tearing off the last penny, created a shield and a sword from nuclear weapons. If he hadn’t existed, we would have bowed long ago and said, “Yes, sir, please, sir.”
        1. rvRomanoff
          rvRomanoff 8 July 2016 21: 41
          +1
          Quote: Alf
          We were not gouged just because our fathers and grandfathers, not sparing themselves and tearing off the last penny, created a shield and a sword from nuclear weapons. If he hadn’t existed, we would have bowed long ago and said, “Yes, sir, please, sir.”

          And what do you think we did not so long ago, if we did not bow and climb somewhere without soap? A shield and a sword are nothing without a clear strategy and political will.
    2. 34 region
      34 region 8 July 2016 12: 59
      +1
      Veksha50! 11.10. To make industrialization, at least responsible people are needed. Which clearly understand the essence of events. The economy is not so much the private profit of a private trader as the economic war of countries. Although in the modern world, TNCs, in my opinion, have a stupid government and army in their interests. What do I want to say? Let me repeat myself. But! economy is war. And I think the crisis is far from accidental. This is such an economic offensive of some forces and the surrender of others. Indeed, in crises, some get poorer, while others get richer. And when our economic marshals shrug their shoulders and say, the circumstances are like this, you have to look for the bottom, then sorry! Such economic marshals must be shot. They are simply none. They could not foresee it, they could not prepare for it. They just stupidly floated with the flow. And our Economic Commander-in-Chief! We cannot hold defense, we cannot advance. Come, pay, everything will be yours! And who is he after that? Well done or a scoundrel?
    3. CONTROL
      CONTROL 8 July 2016 13: 26
      0
      Quote: weksha50
      I completely agree with the author, ...

      In general, I agree with the author ... But at heart - disgusting and disgusting ...

      Filling in the column "Your positive qualities" in the resume, after each written quality I always want to add "... when I drink."
    4. Gunxnumx
      Gunxnumx 8 July 2016 14: 15
      +2
      I often think that the Chinese were able to get up like this! What did we miss ?! Not in a good hour Andropov decided to “pull up” Gorbachev from Stavropol. Although, they also say that the collapse began earlier, with Khrushchev.
  13. Verdun
    Verdun 8 July 2016 11: 12
    +10
    Russia is probably the only country that with its resources could live in isolation from the rest of the economy. And it is this - the abundance of resources in the hands of a relatively small population - that annoys the rest of the economy. I'd like to get these resources. Desirable - for nothing. Sometimes it seems to me that the iron curtain, at least - the economic one - was not such a bad idea.
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 8 July 2016 12: 48
      -1
      Quote: Verdun
      Russia is probably the only country that with its resources could live in isolation from the rest of the economy

      Swam-know.
      No, in isolation, I don’t feel like it. I want a foreign car, iPhone and rest in Italy.
      1. Verdun
        Verdun 8 July 2016 13: 16
        +5
        Quote: Al1977
        I want a foreign car, iPhone and rest in Italy.

        There is a simple solution. Suitcase, train station, Italy. At the same time, for certain reasons, I can not consider the tricked-out foreign car and the advertised iPhone to be the criteria of technological progress. If only because of their high cost, they are inaccessible to the majority of the country's population. But, if you paraphrase Ilf and Petrov a little, the Car is not a luxury, but a means of transportation. A smartphone is not a luxury, but a means of communication.
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 8 July 2016 13: 33
          0
          Quote: Verdun
          There is a simple solution. Suitcase, train station, Italy.

          Human criteria of the 17th century.
          There are 4 hours by plane and you are there.
          They do not change their homeland because of their love of visiting other places. Wake up, 21st century in the yard.
        2. Al1977
          Al1977 8 July 2016 13: 36
          0
          Quote: Verdun
          At the same time, for certain reasons, I can not consider a tricked-out foreign car and an advertised iPhone as the criteria of technological progress

          Do not count, it's just a good product that our country does not do. That's all.
          The ability to buy the best goods from around the world is a sign of the country's economic well-being ... And not like in the USSR, Lada and then by pull.
          1. Verdun
            Verdun 8 July 2016 14: 20
            +5
            Quote: Al1977
            And not like in the USSR, Lada and then by pull.

            In fact, today about 1,5 million cars are sold in Russia. That is, about as much as the USSR produced them in the early eighties. Yes, for some reason they did not manage to saturate the market. But moving in this direction rather quickly.
            it's just a good product that our country does not
            For those who are sick with electronic gadgets, it is quite possible. As for me, for ten years now I have been carrying a push-button "Nokia" in my pocket, which provides me with a reliable connection. At the same time, not a single PDA or even a tablet is capable of solving more complex tasks than the entertainment of its owner. The proliferation of such devices is not so much real as apparent progress. What about
            There are 4 hours by plane and you are there.
            , if I replace the word station with an air terminal, will it suit you? Although, strictly speaking, I just slightly changed the catch phrase - "Suitcase, station, Israel!" It was used by the Jews themselves when the question of their religious freedom came up.
            1. Al1977
              Al1977 8 July 2016 15: 38
              0
              Quote: Verdun
              But moving in this direction rather quickly.

              Where we were moving.
              And about the ability to buy a car ... even more so, high-quality cars, the current situation and the USSR are two big differences. I have 2 foreign cars, Honda’s parents ... And my father in the USSR stood in line for Lada and did not buy it. Auto has become what it should become, a means of transportation, not luxury.
              Watch Soviet films, compare the flow of cars there in Moscow now.
              For those who are sick with electronic gadgets, it is quite possible. As for me, for ten years now I have been carrying a Nokia push-button in my pocket

              So on the accounts you can assume why calculators are needed. And the iphone provides me not only with communication, but also with music, if not by car and on the road, with a navigator when necessary, various entertainments, a calculator, a browser, etc. It's comfortable. What to argue with this ??
              You do not ride a horse to work ... probably.
              if I replace the word station with the terminal, will you be happy?

              Rich Russia will suit me, and here I work and live. And you can relax anywhere in the world. Why are you all trying to take me somewhere? Is it bothering you to live? So yourself ... or already?))
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              2. Verdun
                Verdun 8 July 2016 16: 47
                +4
                Quote: Al1977
                And the father in the USSR stood in line for Lada and did not buy

                So here a lot depended on what your dad did. For example, hard workers involved in the development of Siberia or the North were given the opportunity to buy a car for one annual contract. And also from the life philosophy of man. My grandfather, although in recent years he had been assigned a car by job, he went to work on foot. He believed that when he was 20 minutes from home to work, there was no need to use a company car.
                And iphone provides me not only with communication, but also with music, if not by car and on the go, when I need a navigator
                Exactly all the things that provide you and the smartphone of another, less pathos brand, which is several times cheaper than an iPhone.
                Rich Russia will suit me, and here I work and live.
                So think, is it really worth squandering her wealth for a bunch of beads or iPhones in this case?
                1. Al1977
                  Al1977 11 July 2016 09: 46
                  0
                  For example, hard workers involved in the development of Siberia or the North were given the opportunity to buy a car for one annual contract.

                  Exactly. In the Magadan region he worked at a mine. Nobody gave any cars there. Our friends worked on Svalbard, there they gave.
                  Exactly all the things that provide you and the smartphone of another, less pathos brand

                  Lada can also lead from point A to point B, as well as a Mercedes.
                  And at the price of other brands ... If you do not take the top that has just been released, then the price of an iPhone, well, at least my 5S is comparable to a Samsung or Sony. To suckers, paying 70 for the phone I do not consider myself. I took for 000
                  So think, is it really worth squandering her wealth for a bunch of beads or iPhones in this case?

                  Here is more detailed? These are what riches of Russia I squander. I will lead you astray, but my last name is not Sechin. And I generally do not have access to the riches of Russia. All that I spend is personally earned, not state money, not budgets. All, as they say, with their pens.
                  And in general it is interesting, do you know who owns the "riches of Russia" and what is it spent on?
            2. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 9 July 2016 12: 41
              0
              In the USSR there was 2 times more population than in the Russian Federation, therefore it was 2 times more per capita. Not to mention that a large part of the cars went to the aid of the "fraternal peoples"
              1. Al1977
                Al1977 11 July 2016 09: 48
                0
                Quote: BlackMokona
                In the USSR there was 2 times more population than in the Russian Federation, therefore it was 2 times more per capita. Not to mention that a large part of the cars went to the aid of the "fraternal peoples"

                That is, everything was OK, no worse than now? Three cars per family and a Japanese telly.
  14. Mestny
    Mestny 8 July 2016 11: 25
    +1
    Quote: Million
    This Putin is simply not in the know about the situation, otherwise he would have fixed everything)

    Nothing, but the author of the article is in the know. In general, we have a dime a dozen experts on "how to".
    Ask yourself, are you ready to live and work in a mobilization economy? So drop everything, some kind of work, a house, take a family in his arms, and go somewhere to Siberia to build a factory, with accommodation in a temporary hostel?
    "We need our own high technologies." Who can argue! But if in fact they do not exist, and it takes more than one decade and gigantic funds to develop them. You will say - it was all, and then we wasted everything?
    And again not true. There was something, but a lot of things, in principle, were not.
    It remains only to buy, learn and on this basis already try to create a school and something of their own. And for this - horror - you have to negotiate with the owners of these same technologies, make some kind of concessions.
    But for lovers of swinging a saber this is all not suitable. Take them out and put the processor cooler than Intel, and immediately.
    And if not, then "put it out." And why does he not build so many factories as under Stalin?
    1. Million
      Million 8 July 2016 11: 43
      +7
      I didn’t say “put away”. But for paid medicine, paid education, toll roads, paid parking, the huge stratification of society into rich and poor, for the absence of agriculture and new technologies in the country, we can say thanks to Putin, as the head of state for almost 20 years
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 8 July 2016 15: 06
        +4
        And why Putin?
        Maybe those screamers in Moscow in 91, who happily waved their tricolor and congratulated each other on the collapse of the hated USSR. Who shouted with tears in their eyes "El-tsin, El-tsin"!
        I remember. The overwhelming majority with delightful excitement carried from work everything that was not bolted to the floor, while in the smoking rooms watering "communist crooks and thieves" in power.
        Then, in 91, the whole country was choking with a cry of joy - "The USSR is dead! Now we will live like in America! Capitalism!"
        Well, capitalism. What they wanted.
        What do you want from Putin? So that he began to build USSR 2.0 to you?
        So I assure you, only he will hint about it, ours will fly right there, which is good under capitalism, and under the guidance of their senior teachers of capitalism they will tear up all the same with Putin.
      2. Al1977
        Al1977 8 July 2016 15: 41
        +1
        Quote: Million
        I didn’t say “put away”. But for paid medicine, paid education, toll roads, paid parking, the huge stratification of society into rich and poor, for the absence of agriculture and new technologies in the country, we can say thanks to Putin, as the head of state for almost 20 years

        They wrapped it up .. Putin don’t leave, but what do Putin do I don’t like? He will not read you, do not be afraid you are))))
    2. potroshenko
      potroshenko 8 July 2016 12: 33
      -3
      Quote: Mestny
      And why doesn’t he build so many factories as under Stalin?

      The author of the article gave an example as under Stalin.
      But the peasants, from whom it was necessary to train the cadres, were ready for "industry", they did not have to occupy diligence and diligence. There is almost no such human material in the country now, and we need to fill at least 25 million highly qualified jobs.

      In the cities there was food and salary, and the peasants were taken away, the effective manager was Dzhugashvili. Of course, everyone wanted to go to the cities to work in factories so as not to starve to death. These were all hardworking.
    3. 34 region
      34 region 8 July 2016 13: 09
      +1
      Local! 11.25. Need to buy !? Why can't you steal? Develop by yourself? Agree with technology owners? Well, how much did we pay and how did we agree with the owners of nuclear and rocket and space technology under Stalin? My minus. And in the appendage. Throw everything and go somewhere with accommodation in a hostel. Today, don’t they live like this, working for a private trader?
      1. Alf
        Alf 8 July 2016 20: 23
        +4
        Quote: Region 34
        Today, don’t they live like this, working for a private trader?

        Moreover, the iPhone openly stated that labor mobility should be increased.
        The owner drove out of work, closing the factory somewhere in Ryazan, take a suitcase, load your family in an armful and piz ... go somewhere in Arkhangelsk or in the Far East. And the fact that you have nowhere to live there is only your problems.
  15. Arkan
    Arkan 8 July 2016 11: 29
    +4
    The domestic "elite" does not need a strong state, too many will have to give up. Stalin was able and carried out the industrialization of the country, and now only talk and projects. Article ++++
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 8 July 2016 12: 49
      0
      Quote: Arkan
      The domestic "elite" does not need a strong state, too many will have to sacrifice

      Explain, I did not catch the logical chain at all.
  16. Mestny
    Mestny 8 July 2016 11: 34
    0
    Quote: Verdun
    Russia is probably the only country that with its resources could live in isolation from the rest of the economy. And it is this - the abundance of resources in the hands of a relatively small population - that annoys the rest of the economy.

    And again, no.
    That is, it could be able to live - according to the previous technological structure, without a number of high technologies, according to the production principle of the 70-80s of the XX century.
    But it’s only on a separate planet, because they won’t give it on this - by joint efforts, without us, they will invent, produce, and as a result they will come to us for resources, but only with the technologies of the next generation, from which they will not be protected.
    As they say, all in one mug cannot be invented. One head is good, and two are partisan detachments.
    And so on.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 8 July 2016 13: 11
      -1
      Local! 11.34. One head is good! And they don’t live with two!
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 8 July 2016 13: 21
      -1
      Quote: Mestny
      That is, it could be able to live - according to the previous technological structure, without a number of high technologies, according to the production principle of the 70-80s of the XX century.
      But it’s only on a separate planet, because they won’t give it on this - by joint efforts, without us, they will invent, produce, and as a result they will come to us for resources, but only with the technologies of the next generation, from which they will not be protected.

      But North Koreans - how do they live? And technology has ... and space is about to get it? ...
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 8 July 2016 15: 19
        +1
        Quote: CONTROL
        But North Koreans - how do they live? And technology has ... and space is about to have?

        - or Cosmos (in the broad sense of the word) laughing
        - that's when they "get fucked", then we'll talk wink
  17. Erg
    Erg 8 July 2016 11: 36
    +6
    Quote: weksha50
    However, when you read such articles, for some reason, a feeling of some kind of despair creeps into the soul ...

    Here it must be understood that, having removed the iron curtain, Russia came under external control. The main lever is finance. And whatever we dream of here, it will remain dreams. Unfortunately. There is only one way to raise the country - the same curtain ...
  18. Sasha75
    Sasha75 8 July 2016 11: 39
    +4
    Uppercase true I understood them back in 90 do not buy your goods do not feed your people, but a stranger as with the army all the same. And I was very surprised at the time when Turkish consumer goods were imposed on us, as now, for the most part, our enterprises haven’t changed much, it’s better to close the Turks, and the Turks will work, and our planes will be shot down from Chichen terrorists to all who are plotting against us, so you’ll think where this fifth column in the cabinets and still has the same policy as in the 90s. Many will argue with them that they have a better product. You don’t need socks and underpants, which also need a special mind to do.
  19. Bramb
    Bramb 8 July 2016 11: 42
    +3
    The first one. Factories, of course, need to be built, but only with the latest technology. We have almost none of them, we invite foreign investors to come with them. But these calculations are unlikely to materialize.
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    I did not read further. I personally observe the construction of such plants. Where there used to be 2 thousand people, now there are 100 - and they release the same amount. Here the problem of employment arises: the efficiency of modern labor is an order of magnitude higher than 20 years ago.
    And investments in my direction alone have been around 10 yards of dollars since the beginning of the year (small and medium tonnage production).
    The author is uninformed. And to write about what you do not understand is a sign of stupidity.
    Minus. Although, it would be necessary to remove the article for lies and stupidity and prohibit boobies to take time from people.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 8 July 2016 13: 29
      +3
      Wramb! 11.42. If you live in Moscow, this is one thing, if in Russia, this is another. Moscow and Russia are two big differences. I live in Russia. Where two thousand people worked, today the ruins are literally. Dismantled to the foundation, or even below. Take the road. They laid asphalt a month ago and marked it. Today is already a rut and bumps. Asphalt squeezed out already with a marking. And this is the federal highway. In the yards only ride tanks. Even on nine bumpers are broken. Therefore, your comment is pure lies. hi My minus. For a lie.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 8 July 2016 15: 23
        0
        Quote: Region 34
        Wramb! 11.42. If you live in Moscow

        - at Wramb it is written in the profile - Moscow region
        - The Moscow region is not Moscow, dear ... she, the region, is big

        Quote: Region 34
        My minus. For a lie

        - You caught someone on a lie? belay
        - minus mine. For aplomb laughing
  20. grandfather Mih
    grandfather Mih 8 July 2016 11: 55
    +2
    Too many words are given to the EU. Shambles on the bast to the right or left. The Anglo-Saxon world clearly defined that Russia is their enemy. It’s better to feed our army and navy.
  21. potapych
    potapych 8 July 2016 12: 27
    +1
    correct article, suitable, it remains to redo the people. They opened Turkey so rushed there as lousy in the bath. Where is the pride?
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 8 July 2016 13: 25
      +1
      Quote: potapych
      correct article, suitable, it remains to redo the people. They opened Turkey so rushed there as lousy in the bath. Where is the pride?

      I didn’t understand this moment either. But .. they have resorts, apparently, much more comfortable than ours. Arrange with us, offer people at an affordable price - we will be happy. But nobody needs it.
  22. Cat man null
    Cat man null 8 July 2016 12: 29
    +4
    Manure sprinkling on air conditioning laughing

    A bit of truth, a lot of lies (in places believable, in some places - frank)

    However, here such articles are successful. Wangyu - three pages "discussion" provided yes
  23. Wolka
    Wolka 8 July 2016 12: 34
    +5
    in September, the next election of the servants of the people however, because there will be plenty of reports on the work done, there are even more promises, in fact everything is like Chernomyrdin’s, is it worth it to break your heart and fight in hysterics if the election results are already arranged beforehand, for the party of thieves and speculators never he will not give up power ... As for investing in the domestic economy and industrial re-equipment of industry, why all this, and it’s so simple, our products and denyuzych smell like manure and imported clothes and smell like vanilla and dol Arami in pullbacks, why then make themselves buy, it's faster and cheaper, all good, as they say, the sheep are safe and wolves are fed ...
  24. CONTROL
    CONTROL 8 July 2016 13: 18
    +2
    Only "in general" is true; but - the devil is in the details!
    The struggle for advanced technologies and their protection by the owner-country is only possible for a short time - bring potatoes from America to Russia, and this "poisonous vegetable" will quickly become "the second bread" ... then with corn ... And with everything else ! How long will the USSR and Russia - or the USA and China ... Japan ... Germany ... and te te - have - and they will now! - available "national" technologies? It's just that this process is slow, costly, and - yes! - a product of the political will of the country's leadership!
    That is why the Russian government does not dare to declare the official ideology of Russia as state - in order to avoid "cognitive dissonance" between the need to voice the building of a socially just state and the income of the oligarchs ... Or - we will declare "the construction of capitalism with a brutal face", literally - a face; which one we actually built?
    ------------
    And so in general - "sanctions" against Russia have always been: trade - price dictates, military - don't go there, don't go there ..., technological - like "national secrets of the production of Chinese porcelain and silk", so these were all my life ... well, stuff like that ...
  25. Senior manager
    Senior manager 8 July 2016 14: 15
    +2
    Russia from the beginning of the last century was supposed to be a self-sufficient state. The rest of the West had global cooperation in resources (to begin with), then in technology, and now in terms of labor. EBN fell for the carrot of Russia's integration into world cooperation - as a result, we became a raw material appendage of the world, an operation was carried out to defeat all branches of production, except for one - trade, in parallel, the dogmas "money", "success is money", "I have cooler than everyone else. " Now, in order to regain self-sufficiency, you have to work seriously, and not make money. All in all, swap the two postulates "money - success" to "success, and from success money". I think it is necessary to start with the State Duma, which does not want to pass laws conducive to the rise of Russia - the list of measures and laws has been repeatedly voiced at VO. I'd like to ask the GDP a question = are there people in your environment who are capable of working for the state, for the good, not even of the people, but of Russia? Why can't you see them? Confused, so.
  26. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 8 July 2016 14: 16
    +2
    Again, "for a pittance," is it really still not clear that the West, led by the United States, will never agree with the development of Russia, even with any other name, it was the USSR as an enemy, Russia became again in the top three most dangerous threats (according to the US and their "chrome" prezik)! So whatever one may say, but only a strong and powerful Russia, capable of defending itself, can become a stronghold of security not only for our people, but for the entire "world community"!
  27. Gas truck
    Gas truck 8 July 2016 14: 39
    0
    As an option, enslave the whole world and make us grow potatoes. We will begin to explore the universe!
  28. Mestny
    Mestny 8 July 2016 15: 19
    -1
    Quote: Region 34
    Need to buy !? Why can't you steal? Develop by yourself? Agree with technology owners? Well, how much did we pay and how did we agree with the owners of nuclear and rocket and space technology under Stalin?

    The technologies themselves have become somewhat more complicated. Stealing just like that may not work. And of course we are talking about technologies in which we either have a very strong backlog, or they are generally in their infancy.
    There is simply no time to develop technologies that rely on the previous school, sometimes for many decades.
    We started conventionally rocket-nuclear technologies with the Americans almost simultaneously. At least, taking into account the then level of knowledge on these topics, it was quite possible to catch up and overtake, which was done.
    But in the field of materials, machine tools, electronics - questions have been and are even more so now.
    Well, you must agree, for example, you need to produce something, for example, a machine. We do not produce them. What, we will develop for several decades, or still try to buy? At least with the goal of seeing how it should work correctly, and then it can make it better yourself.
    Yes, it was always like that for everyone.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 July 2016 17: 24
      +1
      Now 57 machine-tool factories operate in Russia and they produce all kinds of machines and different ones, only the problem is different - not everyone is ready to buy them.
  29. Vadim237
    Vadim237 8 July 2016 17: 49
    +1
    There will not be any mobilization economy under the new conditions - this is already a relic of the past, a major military conflict will be necessary with the use of nuclear weapons, both sides will have a twenty-minute war, and then there will be a brutal reality - all who survive will have to plow - because who does not work, he neither eats nor drinks. Also with the draft of all in a row. With the current local and regional conflicts of the current army, it will be more than enough to parry the standing threats - no army professionals are needed.
  30. Igor V
    Igor V 8 July 2016 18: 35
    +2
    The last time I just heard: technology will not give us! Explain to me, a mechanical engineering engineer, what technologies are everyone talking about? Strategic technologies will not be given to us under any sauce; let there be at least ten Gorbachevs in power. So what technology to cry for? Any technology can be developed, as shown by the experience of the Soviet Union. But, since we have capitalism, the development of technology should be profitable. So the government must create the conditions under which production and everything else is beneficial. There will be production, we, technologists, will not let us down. smile And if the government does not want to create conditions, then, by ... de mixer, there is nothing to occupy a place!