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Through thorns in the sea: "Yaroslav the Wise" could not get to the Mediterranean

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Through thorns in the sea: "Yaroslav the Wise" could not get to the Mediterranean


On June 17, in the international waters of the eastern Mediterranean, the Russian patrol ship Yaroslav the Wise carried out visual observation of the American aircraft carrier strike force. This is quite routine, by the standards of the Soviet naval fleet, the event for the Russian Navy was not an ordinary event. And not only because of the unexpectedly sharp reaction of the American side, expressed in the intentionally dangerous rapprochement of the USS Gravely destroyer with the Russian TFR. It was also a matter of the very appearance of “Yaroslav the Wise” this summer in the Mediterranean Sea. Almost until the moment the TFR went on a long voyage, serious doubts remained about the Wise’s technical readiness to go to combat service.

Need an efficient fleet

The tense international situation increasingly insistently dictates the need to increase the presence of Russian warships away from their bases. To demonstrate the flag, the projection of force, the defense of the sovereignty of the country, we need the Navy. Moreover, it is active, and not defended in places of permanent basing. For the Navy to be truly operational, ships need not only to be built for it on time, but also to be repaired on time. There were serious problems with the latter and in Soviet times. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, these problems increased significantly.

The Russian Navy is now forced to exert maximum efforts to act in two directions at once. Firstly, to ensure the fulfillment of the goals and tasks assigned to him by the Supreme Commander. Secondly, to fight for the preservation in the "line" of the maximum possible number of combat units. The latter often requires extraordinary effort. As an example, history repair of the same TCR "Yaroslav the Wise", which last week became the main character of the incident with the American destroyer voiced by the Russian Ministry of Defense.



The critical dependence

In December 1991, together with the disappearance of the USSR on the territory of the Russian Federation, the production of ship gas turbine units (GTU) also disappeared. The Mashproekt design bureau engaged in the design and production of such GTUs and the Zorya Production Association remained in Ukraine. 2 November 2001 of the year "Zorya" and "Mashproekt" merged into the state-owned enterprise NPKG "Zorya-Mashproyekt" with headquarters in Nikolaev.

Meanwhile, a significant part of the warships of the Russian Navy was equipped with gas turbine units. The dependence on Ukrainian counterparties that arose in 1991 in the issue of the production and repair of gas turbines by the end of 2000s became critical for the Russian fleet. The question of the need to create your own company of the appropriate profile was repeatedly raised and discussed at various levels in the Russian Federation. And just as often, these initiatives did not lead to any constructive solution to the problem with the production / repair of shipboard gas turbines.

Problems with GTU seriously attracted the attention of the Ministry of Defense only in October 2013. The reason was the failure after an almost seven-month combat campaign of the afterburner GTU on one of the newest ships of the Baltic Fleet at that time - the Fearless patrol ship (project 11540). The emergency GTU was dismantled from the ship and prepared to be sent for repairs to Ukrainian Nikolaev. True, with an important caveat. This time, Zorya-Mashproekt was obliged by a contract not only to repair the GTU “Fearless”, but also to train specialists from the Russian Federation in similar operations. On the Russian side, the Novik industrial group was among the enterprises that participated in the work to restore the technical readiness of the patrol. It was Novik specialists who were supposed to undergo training and internship at the Zorya-Mashproekt Ukrainian enterprise.

"Novik"

Novik Industrial Group appeared in 2008 year. Almost immediately, Novik became a diversified enterprise capable of offering a wide range of services, including maintenance, repair and restoration of technical readiness not only of steam turbine power plants, but also of main and auxiliary boiler plants. On a par with this, Novik engaged in the maintenance of the mine-torpedo armament complexes at the naval ships and submarines.

With such a wide range of works, Noviku needed competence in the field of applied science. Creating your own design office is not an easy task. During Soviet times, such groups were formed for decades at the profile enterprises. But the case came to the aid of Novika. The management of the Kirov-Energomash plant, within the framework of the restructuring and optimization campaign of the former state-owned enterprise, decided to get rid of its own design office of turbine engineering. As a result, the staff of the Kirov design bureau, which was left without work, almost in full force, in the summer of 2011, moved to Novik, where it formed the design bureau of the same name (PKB).



Turbine resuscitation

As subsequent events showed, the creation of this personnel reserve turned out to be critically important. The plans for the repair of an emergency GTD TFR in Nikolaev and the training of Novik specialists in the same place, coordinated with the Ukrainian counterparts, were prevented by the coup d'état in Kiev and subsequent events in the Crimea and Donbas. The military-technical cooperation of the Russian Federation and Ukraine ceased. In extraordinary circumstances, the Russian side had to organize the repair of shipboard gas turbines exclusively on its own. Contrary to the pessimism that existed in certain circles with regard to such works, a positive result was achieved.

PKB "Novik" together with Samara OJSC "Kuznetsov" at the factory, engaged not in ship, but aviation turbines, deployed repairs delivered to Samara GTU "Undaunted." Neither Novik nor Kuznetsov had technical documentation for this - they had to be created right in the course of repair and commissioning. It was not possible to reanimate the Undaunted turbine on time. In February 2015, the same afterburner turbine crashed on another TFR of project 11540, Yaroslav the Wise. The Navy command promptly decided on the priority repair of the gas turbine of this particular ship. In Samara, they stopped work on the afterburner turbine of the Undaunted, waited for the delivery of GTU Yaroslav the Wise and took up it. All work on the GTU "Wise" was completed clearly at the time indicated by the customer.

It was not easy for Novik. For example, to save time, post-repair tests of GTU designers and technical specialists of Novik conducted right aboard the TFR, which, in turn, allowed Yaroslav the Wise to enter combat service already on the first day of the summer of 2016. So, at the right time, the Russian guard was at the right place next to the US nuclear aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman. That, as we know, caused extreme irritation at the command of the US Navy.

Ukrainian "gift" and "Orlan"

During the repair of GTU "Wise" employees of "Novik" made an unexpected discovery. It turned out that the rapid failure of the GTN M90 of two TFR of the 11540 project has the same reason. This is a dubious modernization of the M90 pair, carried out at the beginning of the “zero”, thus the Nikolaev “Zorya-Mashproekt”. A word to Leonid Belov, Novik Design Bureau Chief Designer: “A damper bush was placed on the front support of the rotor of the high-pressure compressor. Installed it completely wrong. As a result, after all the 1200 hours of operating time, these bushes on both GTUs collapsed. Of course, this is a mistake. I do not rule out evil intent ... ".

The work of domestic ship repair enterprises does not always end with such a quick and spectacular success, as was the case with the GTU “Yaroslav the Wise”. Often, system errors, which are still not outlived in the sphere of industrial cooperation, are capable of permanently freezing the repair of the most valuable combat units. Such, for example, as heavy nuclear missile cruisers of the 1144 project (code “Orlan).



From 1977 to 1996, four such “Orlans” were built at the Baltic plant at the 1144 project. These strike ships were armed with almost all types of combat and technical means created for combat surface ships. At the moment, out of all four 26.000-ton warships, only one remains in the ranks - “Peter the Great”. The firstborn of the project 1144 TARK "Kirov" could not be restored. It was decided to recycle. The other two Orlans, which had been listed as sludge since 1999, were in much better technical condition than the Kirov. This left the hope that after the repair and the necessary modernization of the past years of modernization, "Admiral Lazarev" and "Admiral Nakhimov" will be returned to the "line". Lazarev stood in line for docking, and at Nakhimov extensive repair and modernization works began on 2013. Dozens of enterprises of the Russian shipbuilding industry were involved in their conduct. "Novik" also did not stand aside, taking on the completion of the main turbo-gear unit and other ship systems TARK.

System error

Already in June, Novik Design Bureau was supposed to finish all the work assigned to him on Nakhimov, but new obstacles arose. The reason was the absence of the original design documentation. Even before 2016, the USSR Ministry of Defense designated design engineers and ship equipment suppliers as holders of original documentation. Thus, the necessary archive of documents turned out to be within the walls of a former state, and now a private enterprise, which managed to declare the archive its intellectual property. On this basis, the new owners of the archive refused to the production cooperation members access to the necessary design documentation.

The hardship for the archive began in the year 2014 and by the beginning of the year 2016 did not end, bringing the situation to a standstill. The prospect of disrupting the state defense order began to emerge. And once again a lucky chance came to the aid of ship repairmen. It was found that from Soviet times microfilmed duplicates of design documentation should have remained on the shelves of departmental research institutes. Novik made a request. The response received stated that the much-needed materials in the scientific research institute were indeed available. Immediately followed by an appeal to the Ministry of Industry and Trade with a request to sanction the removal of copies from microfilms necessary for PCB. The case finally got off the ground ...



conclusions

In a situation where the main obstacle to maintaining and increasing the combat capability of the Russian Navy is not weak funding or insufficient production capacity of Russian ship repair enterprises, but the lack of coordinated coordination between all participants in the process clearly requires state arbitration. In general, as the example of “Nakhimov” shows, the problems of public-private partnership require a much deeper study than was previously thought.

Of course, the work of the domestic ship repair industry is by no means exhausted by the described episodes. Especially since the general trends in the development of this sector of the domestic industry amid the collapse of the nineties — the beginnings of zero are now quite positive: people in ship repair enterprises are working, the personnel of the Navy are putting their ships into combat service. One would like to hope that every year the problems of the “creative tandem” of the fleet and enterprises working in its interests will be less and less, and the Russian naval flag will appear in the seas more often.
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  1. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 6 July 2016 05: 48
    +9
    The main reason for the stocks in the Navy is gouging, and in some cases larceny. This field is not plowed for GWP. And we’ll make our own turbines, a matter of time.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 6 July 2016 07: 08
      +102
      What private enterprises can be that have appropriated the military developments of the USSR? We have a state or what? Yes, "hands behind his back, and what would be less thought", and take the documentation. am
      1. jjj
        jjj 6 July 2016 08: 53
        +16
        Friends, how do you like this story. Fifteen years ago, in Severodvinsk, at NIPTB Onega, and this is a regime shipbuilding structure, policemen in masks entered. They say they have information from Western software manufacturers that NIPTB uses downloaded programs in a pirate way in the design. And they seized documents and equipment. Paralyzed work
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 6 July 2016 09: 45
          +18
          Quote: jjj
          Friends, how do you like this story. Fifteen years ago, in Severodvinsk, at NIPTB Onega, and this is a regime shipbuilding structure, policemen in masks entered. They say they have information from Western software manufacturers that NIPTB uses downloaded programs in a pirate way in the design. And they seized documents and equipment. Paralyzed work


          About fifteen years ago, we traded secrets at the state level, so the case you described is probably from the rank of ordinary for that time!
        2. varov14
          varov14 6 July 2016 10: 00
          +4
          Madhouse, what owners, the owner when you work for the state, as well as the Arctic and naked.
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 6 July 2016 11: 19
            +5
            Quote: varov14
            Madhouse, what owners, the owner when you work for the state, as well as the Arctic and naked.

            ... here you still need to figure out whether the event described by the author on pr. 1144 took place ... taking into account the "passage" in the first part of the article:
            Author: Meanwhile, a significant part of the warships of the Russian Navy was equipped specifically with gas turbine units. The dependence on Ukrainian counterparties in 1991 regarding the production and repair of gas turbines by the end of the zero period became critical for the Russian fleet. The question of the need to create your own enterprise of the appropriate profile was repeatedly raised and discussed at various levels in the Russian Federation. And just as repeatedly, these initiatives to any constructive solution to the problem with the production / repair of ship gas turbines did not result.
            ... here or not competence or outright deceit ... since the repair of gas turbines of the following types: DE59, DT59, DK59, DO63, M9, DR / DS76 and DR / DS77 is carried out in the territory of the Russian Federation / Russia with 1967 years at the "Kronstadt Marine Plant", shop # 38 ... http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1856435.html - an interview with the director from the beginning of 2016 ... from which:
            The fact is that our production was founded back in 1967. With the participation of specialists from NPP "Mashproekt" and PO "Zorya" (Nikolaev) - the only developer and manufacturer of ship-type gas turbine engines in the USSR - workshop No. 38 was created at KMOLZ, in fact, a branch of PO "Zorya", for the repair of marine gas turbine engines ships of the Northern and Baltic fleets.
            Since then, specialized gas turbine production has already 49 years engaged in the repair of marine gas turbine engines. For the needs of the Russian Navy, we have repaired more than 350 engines of various modifications - both non-reversible and gas-reversed engines.

            ... and more ...
            The uniqueness of the GTD is that it is the only enterprise in Russia that has a set of repair documentation, tooling, stands and other equipment developed by the manufacturer GP NPKG Zorya-Mashproekt for the repair of gas turbine engines of the DE59, DT59, DK59, DO63, etc. types.
            We have a test bench that allows us to test these engines and transfer turbines ready for installation on Navy ships to the customer. There is experience in the repair of all these types of engines, and most importantly, qualified personnel to complete the tasks.
            Thus, at the time the domestic fleet needed repair of the gas turbine engine, we had available documentation, well-established production, and personnel for the repair of second-generation engines.

            ... like this ... the author here is clearly lost or deliberately misleading ... hi
        3. bk316
          bk316 6 July 2016 11: 21
          +5
          Quote: jjj
          masked policemen came in. Say, they have information from Western software manufacturers that NIPTB feast


          I was surprised by the same thing in the late 90s, I myself laid the floor in such a muzzle.
          Came, seized computers. And even then it was all on terminalki.

          Called they say "where is Windows unlicensed".
          "No" - I say - "neither licensed nor unlicensed."
          “But it can't be that way.”
          "Everything" - I say - "let's bring the charge or you yourself know where"
          They - "now you will go to the office K"
          I - "let's hurry, otherwise it's just time to waste with you"

          They let go. Then it turned out that even the case was not openly investigative.
          I don’t know who the customer is, certainly not Microsoft.
        4. Berkut24
          Berkut24 6 July 2016 11: 29
          +18
          In 1993, the police arrived at my site and said that they suspected my fighters of stealing a ram. He raised the guard, put the cops face in clay. He warned that the warning had already sounded and now I order to open fire to defeat. And that was right in the North Caucasus Military District exactly the first Chechen one. A mode object - it is a mode object.
          But the fighters did not steal anything. Kumyks from a neighboring nightmare asked for help with cutting the herd, and they gave a ram as a payment. Times were hungry, fed themselves as they could. In general, they wanted to earn extra money on tanned people. After duty, they went to pile up the Kumyks in a neighborly manner, as a result of which they bought off another ram. The Kumyks saw how the cops sniffed wormwood, never joked like that again.
          There have been times - those who are stronger and who do not pinpoint are right. And according to the law, there is no decree for the defense structures.
        5. lukewarm
          lukewarm 6 July 2016 14: 40
          +3
          Oh, this "PIRATE" ... The main "anti-pirate" was detained after the liberal mikitka. What was there 15 years ago !!! The school director was almost shut down 5 years ago because the Windows computers were not licensed at school. So ... Yes, and people "sovereign" often, depending on the department, not other states work
        6. Theophanes
          Theophanes 6 July 2016 22: 01
          +1
          while the power of the Medvedevs and liberals with a unit of ROS. betrayal will continue!
      2. Bator
        Bator 6 July 2016 11: 11
        +13
        Documentation, documentation, "kalkoderzhateli" pancake. My company lost a tender for the supply of products to the Moscow region 10 years ago, since we had copies of the NTD. And the company that held the originals did not give us permission to update the NTD even for a fee (although we were the main manufacturers for 20 years), and accordingly won the tender, received the money. But we and they are LLC, and before there were p / i. After 3 months, the winning enterprises rushed across the country to place their orders. "Nothing personal - business." And six months later, the Ministry of Defense rushed to us with a proposal to take this order in full, "in connection with the failure of the previous manufacturer to fulfill the terms of the contract" and did not look at the non-updated NTD. But the specialists were already downsized as unnecessary, the equipment was reconfigured. The private trader does not care where there is more benefit and "patriotism".
        1. lukewarm
          lukewarm 6 July 2016 14: 44
          +1
          Even gold, which is touched by the "invisible" hand of the market and a very visible capitalist, turns into
      3. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 6 July 2016 11: 54
        +4
        30-40 years ago, the perpetrators would have been brought to the wall ... I believe that with regard to state security it should definitely go under the patronage of the state itself and the measure of responsibility of performers should be very high !!!
      4. ver_
        ver_ 7 July 2016 10: 03
        +1
        ... it’s easier - to get drunk in Drabodan, and not to hang out with a hangover until you issue the documents ..
  2. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 6 July 2016 06: 01
    +37
    Thus, the necessary archive of documents appeared within the walls of the former state, and now private enterprise, which managed to declare the archive its intellectual property. On this basis, the new owners of the archive denied access to the necessary design documentation to the participants of production cooperation.

    Just words are not enough. Censorship will not pass. Belching privatization. The interests of the whole country pass to the grace of the arrogant privatizer. Maybe something in the laws to fix? As Grandfather Krylov recommended, there is no waste of words there ...
    1. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
      Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich 6 July 2016 06: 27
      +12
      "As grandfather Krylov recommended, do not waste words there ..." where you need to use the FSB.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 6 July 2016 09: 06
        +3
        Quote: Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
        "As grandfather Krylov recommended, do not waste words there ..." where you need to use the FSB.



        I don’t understand, what problem does the state agree with such an enterprise?

        The company is completely dependent on government orders for many years to come, not to mention tax audits, the Antimonopoly Service, state secrets, etc. with this dependence, you can twist the rope from the enterprise.

        I suspect that the officials were either not interested, or, conversely, interested ...

        Or the author doesn’t finish something (maybe he doesn’t know)

      2. varov14
        varov14 6 July 2016 10: 05
        0
        The FSB is also apparently the owners, traders.
    2. Dam
      Dam 6 July 2016 06: 27
      +7
      But didn’t you try to beat?
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 July 2016 06: 31
      -8
      Quote: Mikhail M
      Just words are not enough. Censorship will not pass.

      Words aren’t enough when people hawala any get along. To write such an article, the author should have such a status of access to classified information, which the ordinary chief of the regional FSB can only dream of.
      Fiction, notion, pull-up and nothing more in this article.
      1. Very old
        Very old 6 July 2016 06: 47
        +11
        ROMANOV, = Amur = isn't that right?

        Private traders and public interest are not compatible today
        But this is IMHO
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 6 July 2016 07: 01
          +2
          Quote: Very old
          ROMANOV, = Amur = isn't that right?

          Amur has nothing to do with it, the author of the article knows too much. Moreover, the provided info passes through different departments and is for official use only.
          This is the author’s fantasies, he dug up tales on the internet and dazzled as best he could.
          Once I read an article from one all-knowing boat, it’s like that, it went offline, there will be two more exits by the end of the year. Blessed is he who believes smile
        2. ver_
          ver_ 7 July 2016 10: 10
          0
          ... but against scrap there is no reception if there is no other scrap ..
      2. V.ic
        V.ic 6 July 2016 07: 04
        +10
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Such is the status of access to classified information, which the ordinary chief of the regional FSB can only dream of.

        The head of the "regional" department of the FSB has at least the second form, this is the first. Secondly, if you have an admission according to the third form, then how long have you opened the PR of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation No. * 46 of July 2013? If you haven't, then how do you know what information belongs to "OV", if you are not spies?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 6 July 2016 07: 43
          +2
          Quote: V.ic
          Secondly, if you have access to the third form, how long have you opened the RF Ministry of Defense Pr * 46 from July 2013?

          I have never opened it, but given that the trajectory of the bullet of the Kalashnikov assault rifle has the status of "secret" in our country, it is impossible to obtain the information presented in the article!
          Quote: V.ic
          If you haven't, then how do you know what information belongs to "OV",

          It can be seen from the article what has been done and is being done, planning and so on immediately fall into the service. Everything that official sources provide to the media is such a trifle, there’s nothing to even comment on.
          1. Suhov
            Suhov 6 July 2016 09: 36
            +11
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I have never opened it, but given that the trajectory of the bullet of the Kalashnikov assault rifle has the status of "secret" in our country, it is impossible to obtain the information presented in the article!

            Alexander, you are incompetent!
            90% of enemy data is obtained from open sources.
            The remaining 10% (but what!) Get illegally.
            In the article about the "trajectory of the bullet of the Kalashnikov assault rifle" - not a word! wassat
            So comrade:
            - or ready material somewhere nadybal, presented (possibly) in the language of "probable partner",
            - or myself creatively reworked snippets of data obtained from the Internet.
            It is important to correctly process the data obtained.
            By the way, by definition:
            Data is converted into information after it is appropriately processed, after it becomes possible to use it.
            Accumulate data, but use information!
            Telephone Directory - Contains data. what
            The found number of the desired subscriber is already information. yes
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 6 July 2016 09: 44
              -2
              Quote: Sukhov
              90% of enemy data is obtained from open sources.

              wassat
              What data from open sources do you get about the routes and tasks of submarines and ships? Where in open sources, you take exercise plans, flight maps, and more. Do not fool around. Did the State Department dig a lot from open sources in the Donbass?
              Quote: Sukhov
              It’s important to properly process the data received,

              To think for yourself, well, and give out for the only reliable Old lol
              Quote: Sukhov
              Telephone directory - contains data.
              The found number of the required subscriber is already information.

              Cool, I'll write it in my notebook laughing
              1. Suhov
                Suhov 6 July 2016 10: 32
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                What data from open sources do you get about the routes and tasks of submarines and ships? Where in open sources, you take exercise plans, flight maps, and more. Do not fool around. Did the State Department dig a lot from open sources in the Donbass?

                With all of the above:
                - training plan,
                - routes of submarines and ships,
                - and the passage of the State Department over Donbas (aka plywood) wassat
                I agree.
                I don’t talk much about anything else:
                The fact that many defense enterprises are unique, remained after the collapse of the USSR outside Russia.
                For the army, this fact is a wrong thing that they are trying to correct.
                It turns out not everything, not right away, but expensive and as usual through one place ... wassat
                An article about it, at least so it seemed to me. smile
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 6 July 2016 12: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: Sukhov
                  An article about it, at least so it seemed to me.

                  There are many specifics and conclusions from myself. Because the article is essentially empty.
            2. alexej123
              alexej123 6 July 2016 10: 00
              +4
              Good comment, without irony. All self-respecting special services, both public and private, have analytical units at their disposal, which are involved in the analysis and processing of information from open sources. Based on the analytical processed materials and management decisions are made. They use both open (in most cases, this is true) and information from closed sources.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 6 July 2016 10: 07
                0
                Quote: alexej123
                . Based on analytical processed materials and management decisions are made

                Sorry, but who is the author of the article?
                1. alexej123
                  alexej123 6 July 2016 18: 26
                  +2
                  Alexander, many people who are not connected with special services have analytical skills. For some, this is a hobby. After all, what is a candidate or doctoral dissertation? In its pure form, this is its vision of a solution to the problem based on the processing of tens and hundreds of kilograms (in weight) of sources. How do you know, maybe the author of the article is prone to analytics, has processed information from open sources and ... the article? I do not appreciate the fidelity of the author's judgments. Everyone has their own opinion, a debating article. But thanks to the author for the work.
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            4. stas-xnumx
              stas-xnumx 7 July 2016 08: 54
              0
              Look how you turned it up))) But, in general, correctly.
              1. alexej123
                alexej123 7 July 2016 12: 43
                0
                And I can also embroider on a typewriter))) tongue
          2. user3970
            user3970 6 July 2016 11: 45
            +2
            Alexander Romanov (moderator). All people, including carriers of classified and super-classified information, live in society. That is, surrounded by other people, bodyguards, cooks, stylists, beloved women and men, etc. And with the presence of the Internet, it is impossible to hide ANY information for a long time. Are you aware of the fact that one of the creators of "Perimeter" lives and works in the SGA, in Los Angeles. And the other, the author and developer of laser equipment for "Armata" is being tried for espionage? There is a children's fairy tale - a parable about a boy who learned about the naked king and told about it to the river cane ... Once upon a time I was friends with the guys from 9 (personal security of the first persons of the state) and under a glass of tea in the kitchen the guys just talked about sore.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 6 July 2016 12: 20
              +2
              Quote: user3970
              All people, including carriers of classified and super classified information, live in society. That is, surrounded by other people, bodyguards, cooks, stylists, beloved women and men, etc.

              I did not know that the FSB, GRU and SVR officers lived so well.
              Quote: user3970
              And with the Internet, it’s impossible to hide ANY information for a long time.

              And who will post vulture documents on the Internet?
              Quote: user3970
              And the other, the author and developer of laser equipment for "Armata" is being tried for espionage?

              I don’t give a damn about who and what they are judging for. You’ll be at least afraid of the materials of the criminal case, but you won’t get access hi
              Quote: user3970
              . I used to be friends with 9-year-olds for a long time (personal protection of the first persons of the state), and under a glass of tea in the kitchen, the guys just talked about sore things.

              What the hell would they tell you. People there are different.
              1. goblin xnumx
                goblin xnumx 6 July 2016 13: 49
                0
                and how do FSB employees live? - if graduates can already afford to ride a helicopter? - even if they are "hired"? I doubt what :)
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 6 July 2016 13: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: Leshy74
                  and how do FSB employees live? - if graduates can already afford to ride a helicopter? - even if they are hired?

                  Well, 1.5 thousand from the nose to hire.
                  Quote: Leshy74
                  what I doubt :)

                  Well, the children of millionaires go to the FSB. Isn't gelika and they won’t take you there? Isn’t it funny?
        2. 1vlad19
          1vlad19 6 July 2016 08: 18
          +3
          He has the first, up to OB. The second is the maximum SS.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 6 July 2016 08: 31
            +1
            Quote: 1vlad19
            He has the first, up to OB. The second is the maximum SS.

            Even if he has 999, he still will not receive Old from the headquarters. If there is no admission from the military counterintelligence, hell. Departments are different, only by request smile
            1. jjj
              jjj 6 July 2016 08: 55
              +3
              It's nice to talk with people who are versed in state security issues.
            2. Sergey S.
              Sergey S. 6 July 2016 09: 57
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Even if he has 999, he still will not receive Old from the headquarters. If there is no admission from the military counterintelligence, hell. Departments are different, only by request

              We must end the bickering at the level of housewives about serious matters.

              I don’t understand one thing.
              What does secrecy have to do with it, if the main object was manufactured in today's Ukraine?

              As far as I understand, the initial (Ukrainian period) information is not secret.

              But what broke, what broke, what we can and what we don’t know how, some would like to "classify".
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 6 July 2016 10: 10
                0
                Quote: Sergey S.
                What does secrecy have to do with it, if the main object was manufactured in today's Ukraine?

                This information from the "Unit's combat capability" is secret from the beginning and is not subject to publicity. Well, they can throw off some kind of blizzard for the press service of the Ministry of Defense, like ready or not, and what and why is not our business. And we would not know anything about the engines if Ukraine and the West would not shout at the top of their lungs.
              2. Suhov
                Suhov 6 July 2016 12: 39
                +1
                Quote: Sergey S.
                What does secrecy have to do with it ...?

                About secrecy from experience, which is from the category "it was a long time ago and not true":
                An employee sent out the same letter three times, which was lost all three times somewhere ...
                He "classified" another letter with the words:
                "Well now fuck you will lose him!" wassat
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 6 July 2016 14: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: Sukhov
                  He "classified" another letter with the words:
                  "Well now fuck you will lose it

                  It happens that we sent telephone messages, so at the end they said to the duty officer on the phone, the signature stamp of the telephone message is SS. And then they laughed, imagining how in the morning the captain or major transmits it to the unit commander with the words-this is top secret wassat
                  Or send a letter to mother at home, and put a SECRET stamp on the envelope and drop it in the mailbox. laughing Subtle Staff Humor winked
          2. alexej123
            alexej123 6 July 2016 09: 53
            +1
            That's right, the second form of admission is documents marked "SS" and all previous "C", "DSP". The category "OB" is the first form.
      3. ordinary
        ordinary 6 July 2016 09: 55
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Mikhail M
        Just words are not enough. Censorship will not pass.

        Words aren’t enough when people hawala any get along. To write such an article, the author should have such a status of access to classified information, which the ordinary chief of the regional FSB can only dream of.
        Fiction, notion, pull-up and nothing more in this article.

        ah, but I also think there’s no Svidomo .. the article is not minus
    4. Samy
      Samy 6 July 2016 07: 01
      +3
      And not only this.

      "The dependence on Ukrainian counterparties that arose in 1991 for the production and repair of gas turbines by the end of the XNUMXs became critical for the Russian fleet."

      20 years!! What were you guys thinking? Well, the first 10 countries were in the presidential binge. And then 10 years? After all, they restored it in just a couple of years with heroic efforts.
      1. ver_
        ver_ 6 July 2016 11: 21
        +2
        ..I had about 35 years ago to read a simple booklet. There, a craftsman drilled his hair with a drill that he made from a piano string (another material turned out to be too fragile) .., made a rose from a piece of paint from an ancient painting (another material lost color at this size) and placed this red rose in a polished hair .. These operations he made between beats of the heart .. There were pictures and the address where is stored ..
        Against this background, your example - with bushings - looks like that ... There is always the opportunity to determine the material and manufacturing technology .., much less it is not exclusive ..
        1. Civilian62
          Civilian62 10 July 2016 07: 58
          0
          If everything was so simple, a dash of two, China would buy our engines for an aircraft, since they have then copying other people's products at the level. On the state :-) :-)
  3. Amurets
    Amurets 6 July 2016 06: 05
    +11
    << The management of the Kirov-Energomash plant, within the framework of the restructuring and optimization campaign of the former state-owned enterprise, decided to get rid of its own turbo-building design bureau. As a result, almost all of the Kirov design bureau, which was left without work, moved to Novik in the summer of 2011, where it formed the eponymous design bureau (PKB). >>
    As practice shows, in such situations, it is much more profitable and does not harm production, getting rid of "Effective managers". These managers do not understand production, and the accounting department can handle cash flows perfectly without them.
  4. Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 6 July 2016 06: 06
    +3
    Neither Novik nor Kuznetsov had technical documentation for this - they had to be created right in the course of repair and commissioning.


    Did they lose her documentation? like this?
    1. S-kerrigan
      S-kerrigan 6 July 2016 06: 12
      +6
      In the same place, two lines below it is written that no one lost, and the research institute-developer stayed with the docks, which remained on Ukarin.
    2. Filxnumx
      Filxnumx 6 July 2016 07: 20
      +1
      According to the Soviet standards for storing technical documentation (including stamped ones), if no one applies for this documentation for a certain time (I don’t remember the exact dates, changed several times), then it must be recycled. This action is formalized by the relevant act, but if it is not, it is not a fact that it was drawn up at all. Maybe a situation when you did not lose, but "forgot" where it lies or where it was transferred (transferred). This also happened.
    3. Koshak
      Koshak 6 July 2016 09: 50
      0
      Quote: Maki Avellevich
      Did they lose her documentation? like this?

      Well, if you decide to comment on an article, first you need to read it in full, and not through two paragraphs to a third. For those who are limited to reading headings, it says that all the documentation remained in / in Ukraine.
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 6 July 2016 12: 51
        0
        Koshak
        Well, if you decide to comment on an article, first you need to read it in full, and not through two paragraphs to a third. For those who are limited to reading headings, it says that all the documentation remained in / in Ukraine.


        read it.

        I repeat the question. how could it happen that there is a warship and no documentation? This is a matter of jurisdiction.
  5. Very old
    Very old 6 July 2016 06: 11
    +10
    [quote = amurets] << The management of the Kirov-Energomash plant, within the framework of the restructuring and optimization campaign of the former state-owned enterprise, decided to get rid of its own turbine-building design bureau.
    As practice shows, in such situations, it is much more profitable and does not harm production, getting rid of "Effective managers." These managers do not understand production, and cash flows, without them accounting is fine. [/ Quote

    Here is one of the reasons (not the main one, but the 1st among many)
    The State NEEDS THE NAVY (I will not quote Pyotr Alekseevich)
    1. Forever so
      Forever so 7 July 2016 00: 20
      0
      As practice shows, in such situations, it is much more profitable and does not harm production, getting rid of "Effective managers".

      Well, you are my friend, this is not an American right, because everyone knows that the main thing in the economy is the Bank and the Effective Manager. Yes, at least ask the prime lawyer.
  6. knn54
    knn54 6 July 2016 06: 21
    +6
    As an option, install nuclear power plants.
    Another experience of the 1st World Proof, that private business in the military-industrial complex-nonsense.
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    2. bulvas
      bulvas 6 July 2016 09: 45
      +1
      Quote: knn54

      Another experience of the 1st World Proof, that private business in the military-industrial complex-nonsense.



      It is not a matter of private or state enterprises, but of managers.

      Who riveted the most weapons and materials during World War II?
      We were able to instantly (by the standards of history) increase the production of non-ammunition - ships and aircraft!

      Liberty ships for convoys to Britain and the USSR riveted a few pieces a month
      Aircraft carriers, battleships, other warships for the Pacific - a few per month!

      Aircraft - in tens and hundreds, trucks, jeeps - in thousands.

      In no case can I compare the USA and the USSR - the conditions were completely different.

      But if you want to work and clear and understandable relations between the state and business - the results are amazing

  7. Bramb
    Bramb 6 July 2016 06: 22
    +7
    the necessary archive of documents appeared within the walls of the former state, and now private enterprise, which managed to declare the archive its intellectual property.
    -------------
    It was necessary to begin verification of the activities of a private enterprise. With our legislation, you can always find something. Moreover, it is such that the director would just sit down. He will give it back!
    We must work harder, more thoroughly!
    What does our FSB do at all? Where is the landing?
    1. ARES623
      ARES623 6 July 2016 06: 56
      +5
      Quote: Bramb
      It was necessary to begin verification of the activities of a private enterprise. With our legislation, you can always find something. Moreover, it is such that the director would just sit down. He will give it back!
      We must work harder, more thoroughly!
      What does our FSB do at all? Where is the landing?

      I like this approach ... Then we cry that the muzzles of the production workers were checked, there is no way to work quietly, now we demand to pull the hedgehog on the mammoth. It is necessary to be determined. But in fact, the article, I think, is simple. The Ministry of Defense should initiate a bill that would provide for the distribution of responsibility of state and production structures for the storage of documents, archives and other significant documents, the intellectual property right for products manufactured under state defense orders in the interests of state customers in the interests of the state, taking into account possible dishonest behavior of the parties. And if they got a lump somewhere, then an investigation and the adoption of preventive measures to reform the structure (system) should be carried out. No one is safe from this, the transition to a completely opposite system of management - from state ownership to private, one way or another will reveal the unforeseen difficulties, they must be carefully analyzed and appropriate organizational and technical measures taken.
      1. Bramb
        Bramb 6 July 2016 07: 13
        +4
        Who exactly is crying? Manufacturers have been working normally for a long time. Something I do not remember complaints from them. Can. Will you give the facts to the contrary? For example: complaints from Nizhnekamskneftekhim or Stavrolen about inspections. ))))
        Small shopkeepers of shawarma level at the station, with rats and cockroaches - they complain about SES, yes. But equating ashots with plants is the height of cynicism !!!
        The fact that the transition from state ownership to private was completed illegally by 99,99% is a fact. Just then there were no laws for this.
        And the FSB exists to protect our security with you. Beyond Laws and Boundaries! Because the law is ALWAYS written AFTER crimes. And this law of yours will be written and adopted for several years. In the meantime, let the ships rust in the docks, do you think? We will wait until they write, agree, discuss ...
        A good and right thing should be built and done despite the absence of laws for this !!! So in Russia has always been.
    2. engineer74
      engineer74 6 July 2016 07: 09
      +9
      When you need to remove a PC with a bogalteriya to a shelf of OMON they are attracted! soldier
      And how matters concerned the country's security - litigation! Something here is unfinished here! what
    3. user3970
      user3970 6 July 2016 11: 51
      -1
      How can he be planted ?! After all, he is a monument!
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 6 July 2016 11: 59
        +3
        Quote: user3970
        How can he be planted ?! After all, he is a monument!

        - fresh laughing
        - please a couple of Canadian accordions, well, what does it cost you? wink
  8. Idiot
    Idiot 6 July 2016 06: 25
    +8
    This is a theater of some kind of absurdity. Why is Lavrenty Pavlovich demonized? After all, his innocence in the "purges" of the thirties has been documented. With him, this would not have happened. By the way, Kurchatov respected him ...
    1. Bramb
      Bramb 6 July 2016 06: 35
      +11
      My friend’s father was building a factory. The launch dates were disrupted. They called to Beria. For 3 (three!) Minutes. Young people do not even guess, but earlier the time of the audience meant VERY MUCH: 1 minute - order, 10 minutes - discussion, 5 minutes - report, etc. With the nuances ...))
      In his words: "Beria: - We need people - we will give, we need money - we will give, we need materials - we will give. But if you violate the terms of starting the plant again, we will not see each other here." The plant was put into operation on time. It was 1937 ...
      1. Sobol
        Sobol 6 July 2016 09: 32
        +1
        Quote: Bramb
        My friend’s father was building a factory. The launch dates were disrupted. They called to Beria. For 3 (three!) Minutes. Young people do not even guess, but earlier the time of the audience meant VERY MUCH: 1 minute - order, 10 minutes - discussion, 5 minutes - report, etc. With the nuances ...))
        In his words: "Beria: - We need people - we will give, we need money - we will give, we need materials - we will give. But if you violate the terms of starting the plant again, we will not see each other here." The plant was put into operation on time. It was 1937 ...

        And what kind of plant in Georgia was built in the 37th? Beria, from 31 to 38, was the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Georgia.
        1. guzik007
          guzik007 6 July 2016 10: 00
          +4
          And what kind of plant in Georgia was built in the 37th? Beria, from 31 to 38, was the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Georgia
          ---------------------------------------------------------------

          It was under Beria that Georgia began to flourish. Unlike the poopers who drowned the republic in a famine, thoughtlessly organizing collective farms (which they now blame Stalin), Beria was well aware that in Georgia, with its meager cultivated areas, collective farms are crazy. Then he chose a different path. He left private households and began reclamation of the famous malaria swamps. It was in their place and they began to organize collective farms and state farms for growing the then famous (it was not Brezhnev straw), Georgian tea. Planted citrus plantations, tangerines.
          Moreover, he still built a network of factories processing their products.
          Moreover, being an engineer by profession, it was he who proposed and began to build the famous Baku offshore oil production platforms, despite the fierce resistance of the local nobility from the "loyal Leninists". By the way, all these health resorts and resorts of Abkhazia and Georgia, where we loved to have a rest, all this is his personal merit.
          Obolgan and slandered by the bastard maize.
  9. techie
    techie 6 July 2016 06: 35
    +9
    Already in June of the 2016 of the year, the Novik Design Bureau was to finish all the work assigned to it on Nakhimov, but new obstacles arose. The reason was the lack of initial design documentation. Even before 1991, the USSR Ministry of Defense appointed design factories and ship equipment suppliers as document holders.

    How familiar this dec ... At Dalzavod in Vladivostok, it was generally decided that the country no longer needed such intellectual property. And in the process of repairing the archive premises, the technical documentation itself ... was taken and thrown away! Premises such as are useful for offices there or trading facilities, and this rubbish only interferes. It is necessary to shoot for such decisions. Taking into account the fact that many manufacturing plants were ordered to live long (GDR, Poland, Ukraine), now it is not clear how to perform many repair work. Technicians stupidly comb through everything that can be combed in search of at least some data, some technical information. And no one is punished for this, and everyone continues in their chairs further on such "benefit". It's a shame and a shame for all this!
    1. Civilian62
      Civilian62 10 July 2016 08: 12
      0
      Hi, I’m from Nakhodka, for a long time I was engaged in the repair of gantry cranes, not gas turbine engines of course, but also has its own specifics. What am I doing? There was always a problem in getting drawings, they are not secret, just nobody! I didn’t know where they are at the moment, the archive nodded to the head mechanic, that one to the head engineer, one to groups, etc. And then I found them in a landfill! 90s for a long time we will hiccup.
  10. V.ic
    V.ic 6 July 2016 07: 08
    0
    The problem is qualitatively highlighted! Here they are, the shackles of the market, but not on those worn.
  11. Titsen
    Titsen 6 July 2016 07: 18
    0
    In a situation where the main obstacle to maintaining and improving the combat capability of the Russian Navy is not poor funding or insufficient production capacities of Russian ship repair facilities, but the lack of coordinated coordination between all participants in the process, clear state arbitration is clearly required.


    Something somewhere this phrase reminds me of ...

    And here it is, I remembered: summing up the results of the work of our units for the month (quarter), EVERY time I remind their managers - establish horizontal communications, do not wait for instructions from above !!!!!

    Without clear interaction and GENERAL interest in obtaining a positive result, this result cannot be achieved!

    We are not Japanese, the result is IMPORTANT to us (of course, POSITIVE!), And not the process!
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 July 2016 07: 46
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    such is the status of access to classified information, which the ordinary chief of the regional FSB can only dream of

    Let me tell you that the chief of the regional FSB has 1 (first) form of service (in official duties), that is, from secret to special importance. There is no higher. Therefore, there is nothing to dream about.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 July 2016 10: 19
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Let me tell you that the chief of the regional FSB has 1 (first) form of service (in official duties), that is, from secret to special importance. There is no higher. Therefore, there is nothing to dream about.

      On the fingers I explain. FSB, Military Counterintelligence, Special Division, 7th police station or police at the MO bases is all the FSB. Get information from another department, only on request. Access to the police department gives nothing, only access to the documents where you work. It is possible with this admission to go to another department, but the first question will be, why do you need it?
      For example, the Ministry of Internal Affairs
      Search Department.
      OBOP.
      Heading. Each goes about his own business, each has its own tasks.
  13. dsm100
    dsm100 6 July 2016 07: 51
    +3
    "Thus, the required archive of documents ended up within the walls of a former state-owned and now private enterprise, which managed to declare the archive its intellectual property."
    I generally get sick of it. AS? HOW CAN IT BE? HOW CAN THESE DOCUMENTS BE TRANSFERRED TO A PRIVATE ARCHIVE? ENO IS NOT OTHERWISE AS A BETTERNESS OR CHANGE OF THE HOMELAND NOT CALLED !!!
    1. Dr. Sorge
      Dr. Sorge 6 July 2016 08: 42
      +3
      it is really the savagery and helplessness of the state, not having power and other opportunities to receive strategic information. So this is beneficial for someone, someone is interested in sabotage.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 6 July 2016 08: 48
      +5
      And from the 85th, betrayal and treason to the Motherland from a creeping, hidden stage passed into an open one, destroying the Union. Even now, these same types own and "run" the country. Although their place is on the zone.
    3. weksha50
      weksha50 6 July 2016 09: 26
      0
      Quote: dsm100
      I generally get sick of it. AS? HOW CAN IT BE? HOW CAN THESE DOCUMENTS BE TRANSFERRED TO A PRIVATE ARCHIVE? ENO IS NOT OTHERWISE AS A BETTERNESS OR CHANGE OF THE HOMELAND NOT CALLED !!!



      Hmm ... A huge and powerful country was destroyed, a wide privatization was carried out - and no-one at that time didn’t eat ... and still have not been punished ...

      And now I have to hiccup ... Well, at least scientists-developers-producers found a way out of the situation ... So, far from everything has died ...
      And in the case of "Zorea", like other enterprises of the aviation and space industry, there was an ordinary passage in the style of the Hohkrainians: even though I don't eat it myself, I take a bite ... Like a dog in the hay - and they've ruined everything, but they hope that our cow will die too ...

      But not dead ...
  14. AlaskaKiD
    AlaskaKiD 6 July 2016 07: 51
    -2
    How much more needs to be done
    1. Civilian62
      Civilian62 10 July 2016 08: 24
      0
      If you look at the machine tool industry, then we have not started anything yet. At my request in Google, how many machines were produced in Russia in 15g? I got an answer. Can you mean tanks? Comments are redundant.
  15. avrosva
    avrosva 6 July 2016 07: 51
    +2
    in the field of heat engineering, gas dynamics, and therefore gas turbine design, Russia is one step higher than many world powers "I do not believe" in dependence on Ukraine, even on a microscopic scale
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 6 July 2016 12: 53
      +1
      A single center of ship turbines for BNK was built in the Union in Nikolaev (Zorya) and a design bureau (Mashproekt).

      A ship turbine is its own specificity, its own nuances.

      Yes, even a small, the only testing center for ship assembly GTU - was built on the Zora. And without it, a turbine can be run-in only on a ship, which threatens not only to disrupt all terms, but also to large emergency situations (due to the impossibility of the necessary testing and removal of telemetry in all operating modes).

      The stand is being built, they initially wanted to launch it by 2020, then they moved it to 18, now limited operation will already be in 17.

      Similarly, the M90FR turbine itself (which by the way will still be included at 22350, is native, but at 11356 only with extensive alterations and a change in the power plant itself with COGAG - that is, completely turbine, on CODAG - that is, with marching diesels - because no one is marching a turbine, moreover, of an old type, without design documentation, will not be developed and produced for the sake of 3 sets).
  16. serkhan
    serkhan 6 July 2016 08: 37
    +4
    new owners of the archive denied access to necessary design documentation for production cooperation participants

    And where do these "new owners" live and whose bread do they eat ?!
  17. NordUral
    NordUral 6 July 2016 08: 45
    +2
    Even before 1991, the USSR Ministry of Defense appointed design factories and ship equipment suppliers as document holders. Thus, the necessary archive of documents appeared within the walls of the former state, and now private enterprise, which managed to declare the archive its intellectual property. On this basis, the new owners of the archive denied access to the necessary design documentation to the participants of production cooperation.


    This is one of the reasons for the need for nationalization.
  18. weksha50
    weksha50 6 July 2016 09: 03
    0
    “As a result, after only 1200 hours of operation, these bushings on both gas turbines were destroyed. Of course, this is a mistake. I do not exclude malicious intent... "...

    Quite possible...
    Only once again amazed at the shortsightedness and sluggishness of the Russian government ...
    And while the roasted cock in the ass does not bite, as a rule, and there are no shifts ... And there are no examples of this ...

    And still it’s significant that both science and industry can still mobilize their resources at a difficult and necessary time ...

    I completely agree with the author that the issues of public-private partnerships have not yet been worked out ... They still look bravura in theoretical articles, but in practice, their effective implementation is still a long way off ...

    In general, lately I have the impression that at the top - government, scientific, industrial, military - there is a process similar to that described by "grandfather" Krylov: a swan, a crayfish and a pike, harnessed, it would seem, into one cart ...
  19. prior
    prior 6 July 2016 09: 20
    +4
    And grandfather Krylov has - "And you are friends, how do not sit down ...."
    Who will reorganize the country and industry - Kudrin, Gref, Siluanov, Naibulin,
    and the rest ... billionaires?
    The answer is obvious. Sadly, however ...
  20. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 6 July 2016 09: 57
    0
    The archive of documents appeared within the walls of the former state, and now private enterprise, which managed to declare the archive its intellectual property. On this basis, the new owners of the archive denied access to the necessary design documentation to the participants of production cooperation

    here it is privatization, her mother
  21. ochakow703
    ochakow703 6 July 2016 10: 17
    0
    It is necessary to shoot, however ... All of these descendants of privatization, to the wall. And the state should dominate in the defense industry.
  22. Igor V
    Igor V 6 July 2016 10: 26
    0
    The article is a fat plus. Finally, a piece of real life is described. And then articles and comments became frequent, they say the ships are under repair, they don’t go, the guilty ones - to be shot. Just yesterday I read about this about the events at the DCBF. How can a fleet affect repair, send sailors?
  23. Nitarius
    Nitarius 6 July 2016 10: 56
    0
    In fact, everything is much easier .. CUSTOMER STATE! and all documentation for this Product .. design and etc.-MUST be stored and transferred to the state archive! on all military items!
    And we have a mess and that's it!
    So it’s necessary to introduce it at the state level level so that after receiving the Product .. so that all the documentation is transferred in the interests of the state!
  24. Larra anathema
    Larra anathema 6 July 2016 12: 20
    0
    Surprisingly, in a Hollywood movie, the global problem was resolved thanks to chance:
    It was found that since Soviet times, microfilmed duplicates of design documentation should remain on the shelves of departmental research institutes.

    Here it is, back up in practice. And how much is irretrievably lost?
    Until it’s too late, it would be necessary to search bit by bit for any technical documentation of the Soviet era and keep it in a separate state fund.
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  26. OlegYOla
    OlegYOla 6 July 2016 14: 14
    0
    • The meaning of the existence of the SASHA fleet is a projection of force anywhere in the world. Organizational structure, basing system and weapons - are consistent with this task.
    • The meaning of the existence of the Russian fleet, in the form as it is now, is UNCLEAR. request

    http://army-news.ru/2011/06/chej-flot-silnee/

    Hence, the fleet can have only one task:
    –– in peacetime - protection of exclusively coastal economic interests;
    - in wartime - the airborne defense of the first line, at the cost of a clear death of their own, until the Strategic Missile Forces, ground forces and aviation sway to repel the strike what
  27. thorns
    thorns 6 July 2016 14: 57
    0
    At the 33rd Shipyard (Baltiysk) (part of the Yantar Production Association), the "Guarding" corvette got up for scheduled repairs. Gas turbine replacement. Ukraine refused. Found in Samara. With a delay, but repairs were made. Corvette in service. As part of a group of corvettes ("Smart" and "Boyky), he fired in the Baltic.
  28. japs
    japs 6 July 2016 17: 36
    +3
    When Bad Men become billionaires and owners of everything, then the military-industrial complex goes over to private property. They rule the country, the military-industrial complex and divide the budget into their enterprises. Everything is logical.
    It will be interesting to see the material condition of the future "servants" of the people. Probably like a meadow, living in a rented hut, and a rusty "Zhigul" under the entrance. Beggars.
  29. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 6 July 2016 20: 01
    0
    Article titles do not like.
  30. Evil 55
    Evil 55 7 July 2016 07: 35
    0
    Dear, what do you think Comrade Beria would say and do in this case?
  31. Alexei-
    Alexei- 7 July 2016 11: 46
    0
    But is it possible to attract these "intellectuals" owners? This is natural bestiality
  32. Palch
    Palch 7 July 2016 12: 18
    0
    Some kind of game ... "And again a lucky chance came to the aid of the ship repairmen" or there (NOVIK) there are complete blunders in the manual, or is it just another cut. For 10 years, no one could even think about contacting specialized research institutes, which are the true developers of the units. And in Nikolaev - there are PRODUCERS !!! And most likely they have assembled one out of 2 GTUs - truly, we will turn your ailment into a feat ...
  33. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 7 July 2016 21: 59
    0
    We don’t sow and do not plow, we fool around, from the belfry ... we wave, disperse the clouds ... and we wait for the roasted rooster to peck in the ass, stronger and deeper to stir ... I don’t know, it’s like, that has already strengthened in our DNA, create problems for ourselves, overcome them with bloody corns and be proud of it ....
  34. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 8 July 2016 14: 11
    0
    Quote: Inok10
    Quote: varov14
    Madhouse, what owners, the owner when you work for the state, as well as the Arctic and naked.

    ... here you still need to figure out whether the event described by the author on pr. 1144 took place ... taking into account the "passage" in the first part of the article:
    Author: Meanwhile, a significant part of the warships of the Russian Navy was equipped specifically with gas turbine units. The dependence on Ukrainian counterparties in 1991 regarding the production and repair of gas turbines by the end of the zero period became critical for the Russian fleet. The question of the need to create your own enterprise of the appropriate profile was repeatedly raised and discussed at various levels in the Russian Federation. And just as repeatedly, these initiatives to any constructive solution to the problem with the production / repair of ship gas turbines did not result.
    ... here or not competence or outright deceit ... since the repair of gas turbines of the following types: DE59, DT59, DK59, DO63, M9, DR / DS76 and DR / DS77 is carried out in the territory of the Russian Federation / Russia with 1967 years at the "Kronstadt Marine Plant", shop # 38 ... http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1856435.html - an interview with the director from the beginning of 2016 ... from which:
    The fact is that our production was founded back in 1967. With the participation of specialists from NPP "Mashproekt" and PO "Zorya" (Nikolaev) - the only developer and manufacturer of ship-type gas turbine engines in the USSR - workshop No. 38 was created at KMOLZ, in fact, a branch of PO "Zorya", for the repair of marine gas turbine engines ships of the Northern and Baltic fleets.
    Since then, specialized gas turbine production has already 49 years engaged in the repair of marine gas turbine engines. For the needs of the Russian Navy, we have repaired more than 350 engines of various modifications - both non-reversible and gas-reversed engines.

    ... and more ...
    The uniqueness of the GTD is that it is the only enterprise in Russia that has a set of repair documentation, tooling, stands and other equipment developed by the manufacturer GP NPKG Zorya-Mashproekt for the repair of gas turbine engines of the DE59, DT59, DK59, DO63, etc. types.
    We have a test bench that allows us to test these engines and transfer turbines ready for installation on Navy ships to the customer. There is experience in the repair of all these types of engines, and most importantly, qualified personnel to complete the tasks.
    Thus, at the time the domestic fleet needed repair of the gas turbine engine, we had available documentation, well-established production, and personnel for the repair of second-generation engines.

    ... like this ... the author here is clearly lost or deliberately misleading ... hi

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    The only good article is that the "swamp" of the "market" economy in the sphere of defense is somehow shaking! (IMHO)