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The ships of the Caspian Flotilla took to sea to the tactical doctrine

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Warships and Caspian supply vessels flotilla on alarm left the permanent bases in the open sea for tactical exercises, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to the press service of the Southern Military District.

The ships of the Caspian Flotilla took to sea to the tactical doctrine


“More than 20 warships and support vessels are involved in the exercise, including the flagship of the flotilla, the Tatarstan patrol ship,” the report says.

It is noted that the ship "Tatarstan" has recently been upgraded in the Astrakhan branch of the CS "Zvezdochka".

“The work carried out is aimed at increasing the resource and quality indicators of all general ship systems and complexes, technical means and mechanisms. In particular, a new radar station, Gals, was installed, which can significantly improve the efficiency of radio equipment for detecting airborne and surface targets, ”the press service said.

According to the press service, the "Uglich" and "Velikiy Ustyug" ships, the small artillery ship "Volgodonsk", the Stupinets missile boat, artillery boats, the base and road sweepers, the anti-diversion boat П-351 "Ranger" and also vessels of hydrographic service and auxiliary fleet ".

"The crews have worked to bring ships to a high degree of combat readiness, as well as emergency preparation for battle and march," the release says.
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  1. Khariton
    Khariton 5 July 2016 17: 29
    -3
    The world froze in tension ... bully
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 5 July 2016 17: 33
      +11
      I don’t understand why cruise missiles should hit training targets when the Syrian firing range is full of military ones.

      These are thoughts in the ear.

      Was this launch interesting? There is no information about this in the news, but I remember there were recently training launches

      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 5 July 2016 17: 49
        +4
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        I don’t understand why cruise missiles should hit training targets when the Syrian firing range is full of military ones.

        Can beginners get trained? A cruise missile is such a thing, if you don’t get into the wrong problems.
        1. just exp
          just exp 5 July 2016 21: 01
          +1
          offtopic, our Caliber wagged around Aleppo
          and besides, I don’t know the truth or not. but there are already articles
          A few days ago, an convoy of the “New Syrian Army”, which included soldiers of the American and British special forces, was ambushed by the militants of the Islamic State. It happened in the east of Syria, near the border with Iraq. As a result of the ISIS attack, according to various sources, from 40 to 80 coalition soldiers were killed, at least two dozen, including American and British commandos, were captured. In the hands of the terrorists was a large number of weapons and equipment.
        2. UREC
          UREC 5 July 2016 22: 31
          0
          So she’s on her own mind - there’s nothing to do in vain. All according to plan !
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 July 2016 18: 04
        +2
        It seems that the militants in Syria have already launched a rocket.
        1. axpert2008
          axpert2008 5 July 2016 18: 13
          +6
          Aleppo was shot from the Mediterranean from the warehouse. Perhaps now they will add from the Caspian ...
        2. Wiruz
          Wiruz 5 July 2016 18: 46
          0
          It seems that the militants in Syria have already launched a rocket.

          Hardly. None of the official representatives of the military department confirmed this information, although they did not deny it. It is quite possible that the rocket had to be, only it was not a Russian Caliber, but an American Tomahawk, or a French SCALP Naval.
          1. avg
            avg 5 July 2016 20: 58
            0
            Quote: Wiruz
            It is quite possible that the rocket had to be, only it was not a Russian Caliber, but an American Tomahawk, or a French SCALP Naval.

            Now there are so many reconnaissance and surveillance tools that it is being worked out in a minute - who shot, what shot, where and where ...
            As for the exercises, their theme: “Bringing ships to the highest degree of combat readiness, as well as emergency preparation for battle and campaign,” along with the past exercises on partial mobilization, is now most relevant.
            The main thing is that then, with the identified shortcomings, they will work out in full.
            1. kepmor
              kepmor 5 July 2016 23: 40
              +1
              Ready for a bunch of "cons" ... but reading this nonsense is just ridiculous!
              Bringing the ships of constant readiness of the 1st line to the "highest degree of combat readiness" is:
              -replenishment of l / s to the states of "wartime";
              - replenishment of all types of stocks - ammunition, fuel, water, food, medicines, protective equipment to full standards;
              - receiving a combat mission (order) with the subsequent adoption of a combat decision and testing the actions of the crew of the ship.
              And a certain time is allotted for this in accordance with the mob.plan or the plan for the deployment of naval forces, since only ships of the "combat service" meet these requirements in peacetime.
              And "emergency preparation for battle and campaign" differs from the normal only in the following:
              - there is no "big gathering" of the crew with instructions and assignment of tasks - no one is waiting for anyone;
              - reduced time for checking and launching technical equipment to the minimum reasonable time intervals;
              - no replenishment of any stocks;
              - the commander of the ship receives a combat order and makes a decision to carry out a combat mission during the "crossing by sea" or acts in accordance with the plan "dispersal of forces in the threatened period", which is developed, adopted and approved in advance.

              Actually, the "emergency" is practiced absolutely easily during the daily "cranking of weapons and technical means."
              So the author has obviously confused something, since "casting" and "emergency preparation" absolutely do not coincide in terms of time parameters and the very idea!
              This infe is a fat minus!
              1. jjj
                jjj 6 July 2016 00: 43
                0
                Well, of course, we turned the mechanisms, did the tidy, worked out the fire alarm. Here, the main thing is to gather everyone on a steamboat quickly. But maybe all the salt really is this:

                Quote: kepmor
                Bringing the ships of constant readiness of the 1st line to the "highest degree of combat readiness" is


                And not only in a specific flotilla. After the events on the BF you won’t start to think about anything.
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 5 July 2016 21: 42
            +1
            Quote: Wiruz
            only she was not a Russian Caliber, but an American Tomahawk, or a French SCALP Naval

            Hardly. Now, if she got to the positions of the SAR, or to the hospital, then yes. And if according to Daesh, then for sure ours.
      3. PPD
        PPD 5 July 2016 18: 28
        0
        They are not only for coastal shooting.
        And Yigil does not seem to have a fleet yet (pah-pah).
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 5 July 2016 18: 38
          0
          Quote: PPD
          They are not only for coastal shooting.
          And Yigil does not seem to have a fleet yet (pah-pah).

          Well, a couple of wooden boats with oars are all there are :)
      4. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson 5 July 2016 18: 30
        0
        We walked along the banks of poachers, this is also the case.
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 5 July 2016 18: 41
          +1
          It is noted that the ship "Tatarstan" has recently undergone modernization

          They once said that Tatarstan, after modernization, will receive a hull and armament of anti-aircraft defense. Perhaps the search for and destruction of submarines is a doctrine.
      5. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 5 July 2016 18: 49
        0
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        I don’t understand why cruise missiles hit educational targets

        And where is it written that they hit educational goals? belay

        “The crews worked out bringing the ships to the highest degree of combat readiness, as well as emergency preparation for battle and campaign”

        Exercises are not only live firing. request
      6. Observer2014
        Observer2014 6 July 2016 13: 33
        +2
        And what about the ships of the Caspian Flotilla. So you can safely make "platforms" with the most powerful air defense and the maximum number of "Caliber". Moreover, river-sea ships. Up to the construction of pilot barges with "Caliber". Why barges? Yes, the Caspian Sea is considered an internal sea. And the "Caliber" firing range is not internal. Well, and the treaty on cruise missiles has not yet been canceled. Although remembering Putin's words about the fact that "If we understand that a fight is inevitable, we will strike first." and you do not need a large number of "Caliber". Is it enough to put on the existing nuclear warhead?
    2. bald
      bald 5 July 2016 18: 02
      +4
      And it pleases!!!--- good
    3. bovig
      bovig 5 July 2016 18: 28
      +1
      Quote: Chariton
      The world froze in tension ... bully

      Or tensed in anticipation ?!)))))
    4. kirieeleyson
      kirieeleyson 5 July 2016 18: 29
      0
      the kids in the lake made a storm, yeah.
      Kids with calibers, but that's it, pronons)
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 5 July 2016 18: 32
        -2
        just our helicopter crashed in Syria mi28N
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 5 July 2016 18: 39
          0
          Quote: c-Petrov
          just our helicopter crashed in Syria mi28N

          Where does infa come from? I don’t see anywhere.
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 5 July 2016 18: 59
            +1
            I only found this. Here's the fresh one - The Turkish Air Force helicopter crashed in Giresun province in northeast Turkey, NTV reported on Tuesday.

            RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20160705/1459221392.html#ixzz4DYBzOx7a
        2. Wasiliy1985
          Wasiliy1985 5 July 2016 19: 00
          0
          Link to the studio!
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 5 July 2016 20: 11
            +1
            Quote: Wasiliy1985
            Link to the studio!

            I have not found. Maybe a man is drunk? Or inattentively told about the April news.
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 6 July 2016 10: 13
              0
              Yes, most likely I was inattentive
    5. rabbi's pais
      rabbi's pais 5 July 2016 18: 37
      0
      Quote: Chariton
      The world froze in tension ... bully

      Especially Mikhan, along with all of the Southern Urals, froze in admiration. laughing
    6. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 5 July 2016 20: 16
      0
      Peace? More precisely ISIS ..
      Quote: Chariton
      The world froze in tension ... bully
    7. Persistent
      Persistent 5 July 2016 20: 50
      0
      The world froze in tension ...

      And the ISIS flinched in horror, rushed to dig under the guise of trenches under the guise of trenches to bury the dregs of those morons who had bought for their propaganda ... laughing
  2. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 5 July 2016 17: 46
    +3
    Who asked for "Calibration"?
  3. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 5 July 2016 18: 06
    +11
    And the German Minister of Defense was warned this time? Again no !!!!! am laughing
  4. izya top
    izya top 5 July 2016 18: 15
    +5
    and here at the bearded sidekicks of America loafs tensed ... yes
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 5 July 2016 18: 15
    -1
    In Turkey, they must have tensed now in anticipation ................
  6. newcomer
    newcomer 5 July 2016 18: 24
    +4
    Apparently we are seriously preparing someone to tightly kibibranut. let's say westerly or eastward. in general, every day I no longer like the fuss around Kaliningrad.
  7. Khariton
    Khariton 5 July 2016 18: 32
    +5
    Fly, fly the "petal" through the west to the east ... Through the north, you should fly in my direction ...))))
    (the cartoon was 1948)))) Very beautiful and with a sense of the cartoon! hi
  8. marshes
    marshes 5 July 2016 18: 48
    .
    The use of gauges from the Caspian Sea aquaotia is not a well-considered action, it led to the militarization of this region, the need for purchases of strike ships increased, and Iran, I think they wanted to impress, increases the number and quality of ships.
    Wanted to increase the sale of ships? But the purchase is from Turkey, South Korea and the United States. Yes, a couple of units can buy. for which huge demand from the French appeared for the purchase of Exetosets.
    Gauges from the Mediterranean to do was bullet.
    But the Caspian Sea must be demilitarized and shown to the World Community.
    1. Wasiliy1985
      Wasiliy1985 5 July 2016 18: 57
      +10
      I think that everything here was thought out much deeper than in your comment .. The mass launch of "Calibers" from the Caspian Sea is not a spontaneous decision of the General Staff or the Headquarters of the Navy. Anyway, all this was coordinated and thought out, based on forecasts, 5-6 steps ahead. I don’t think that your analysis is better than the analysis of the General Staff .. You have neither input data in the required volume, nor the tasks that you are going to solve, either .. Only the wishes of a private person, no more.
      1. marshes
        marshes 5 July 2016 19: 15
        -7
        Quote: Wasiliy1985
        I think that everything here was thought out much deeper than in your comment .. The mass launch of "Calibers" from the Caspian Sea is not a spontaneous decision of the General Staff or the Headquarters of the Navy.

        Nevermind, for a couple of days I assumed a missile strike on Daesh (ISIS) with sea-based missiles but from the Mediterranean. The Israelis are witnesses on this site.
        The decision from the Caspian is spontaneous and not deliberate.
        Quote: Wasiliy1985
        I do not think that your analysis is better than the analysis of the General Staff.

        Your General Staff has a lot of scenarios on the use of weapons. But it is not coordinated with the Foreign Ministry.
        Quote: Wasiliy1985
        Only private hotel Wishlist, no more.

        Well, we'll see in the next three years.
        1. Wasiliy1985
          Wasiliy1985 5 July 2016 19: 56
          +8
          That’s exactly what they expected from the Mediterranean (thanks to you and Israeli friends), but didn’t get from where they expected.
          It is called "sudden".
          Thanks just to the General Staff, therefore, not fools are sitting there.
          Well, about the fact that the General Staff, but without coordination with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs ... Well, well. Moreover, the Supreme High Command is subordinate to both.
          But about three years - it's interesting! Could you clarify what is meant?
          1. marshes
            marshes 5 July 2016 20: 06
            -8
            Quote: Wasiliy1985
            It is called "sudden".

            For whom, that the entire Caspian Sea from satellites and radar is viewed.
            Quote: Wasiliy1985
            Thanks just to the General Staff, therefore, not fools are sitting there.

            Well, then it will recoup in the future.
            Quote: Wasiliy1985
            Well, about the fact that the General Staff, but without the consent of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs ... Well, well. Moreover, the GVK is subordinate to both.

            You can continue to rejoice.
            1. Wasiliy1985
              Wasiliy1985 5 July 2016 20: 11
              +6
              And rejoice. That you are not at the head of Kazakhstan. Praise God and Allah!
              1. marshes
                marshes 5 July 2016 20: 14
                -6
                Quote: Wasiliy1985
                And rejoice. That you are not at the head of Kazakhstan. Praise God and Allah!

                And if after DAD I will become the head laughing Will you be happy? laughing
            2. evge-malyshev
              evge-malyshev 5 July 2016 20: 42
              +3
              Quote: marshes
              For whom, that the entire Caspian from satellites and radar is viewed


              And for someone from satellites, even your street toilet (if you have one) is visible fellow .
              1. marshes
                marshes 5 July 2016 20: 51
                -4
                Quote: evge-malyshev
                And for someone from satellites, even your street toilet (if you have one) is visible

                Yes, a private house, not only in the version that GUGL EART, can be viewed from all sides. laughing
                I love to go to the needy in the garden in the summer, you will open the door-MOUNTAIN-lyapota, you will also smoke a cigarette. laughing
        2. avt
          avt 5 July 2016 20: 01
          +2
          Quote: marshes
          The decision from the Caspian is spontaneous and not deliberate.

          wassat So they decided to show from a hangover that Russia has a real RSRD and a carrier that DOES NOT fall under the effect of an agreement signed with the USA on limiting the RSRD ??? Your will, but someone’s wise campaign.
          Quote: marshes
          Gauges from the Mediterranean to do was bullet.

          Well, they really missed underwater launches from 636 past a passing project! ??
          Quote: Kasym
          And as for the Caliber, in my opinion, they were already standing on new RTOs based precisely on Kapia (they simply are not on other fleets)

          Correction - already from the Caspian a couple have been transferred to the Black Sea Fleet, well, closer to the probable goals. And the Caspian is convenient in that it can even be shipped from Moscow to the full radius from the Khimki reservoir from Moscow.
          Quote: marshes
          for which huge demand from the French appeared for the purchase of Exetosets.

          request Well, you specifically upset me! wassat Well, it would be fine with "Uranus" they would compare the Franks, or there with the castrated version of the Indians - "Brahmos"
          Quote: Kasym
          Bolot, I think that it is precisely because of the Caspian Russian Flotilla that Astana is not obsessed with ships and navy - there are enough boats to drive poachers.

          Well, in general, in St. Petersburg, the project was ordered more than a boat. But how lowered! wassat I still do not let go - I thought they would drown a lengthy one. Well, build a normal slipway and lower it on board - it’s also useful for civilians. Again, they built a minesweeper in Russia, it seems like they turned the old project and it seems that even the plastic case is also not quite, or rather not a boat at all. hi
          1. marshes
            marshes 5 July 2016 20: 09
            -6
            Quote: avt
            So they decided to show from a hangover that Russia has a real RSRD and a carrier that DOES NOT fall under the effect of an agreement signed with the USA on limiting the RSRD ??? Vashv’s will, but someone’s wise campaign.

            The investor alone left. Moreover, China has no desire to invest in future projects in the Caspian.
            1. avt
              avt 5 July 2016 20: 48
              +2
              Quote: marshes
              The investor alone left. Moreover, China has no desire to invest in future projects in the Caspian.

              Here I would recommend specifically sorting out the economic issue, for example, the volume of hydrocarbons in the Caspian Sea in 90 was famously overpriced and not confirmed by any objective data from geological exploration, but they referred to secret materials from Soviet times .... that is, it was banal to be bribed, or a geopolitical game against the transport pipelines of Russia, well, the notorious NABUKO. It is necessary to understand in specific cases. Well, something like this.
              1. marshes
                marshes 5 July 2016 20: 59
                0
                Quote: avt
                Here I would recommend specifically sorting out the economic issue, for example, the volume of hydrocarbons in the Caspian Sea in 90 was famously overpriced and not confirmed by any objective data from geological exploration, but they referred to secret materials from Soviet times .... that is, it was banal to be bribed, or a geopolitical game against the transport pipelines of Russia, well, the notorious NABUKO. It is necessary to understand in specific cases. Well, something like this.

                No, it’s really the second Persian Gulf. At this moment, we can’t let oil out of Kashagan to the market, it will immediately bring down prices. It’s from the bottom, still under awesome pressure.
                1. avt
                  avt 5 July 2016 21: 05
                  0
                  Quote: marshes
                  .At the moment, we cannot let oil from Kashagan enter the market, prices will instantly collapse.

                  laughing Oil prices do not depend on the volume of production and demand ... in the sense in general. Here the price is falling, and Russia just sold 9% more this morning, it’s like with overflowing storages at the USA and at every kilometer.
                  Quote: marshes
                  No, really the second Persian Gulf

                  No. But I will not argue - I have a poor command of texture.
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 5 July 2016 21: 13
                    0
                    Quote: avt
                    But I will not argue - I have a poor command of texture.

                    In the fall we’ll see that Kashagan will be launched.
                    Shareholders, Golondtsy, ours, Chinese and so on ...
                    By the way, China wants to enter the world markets with oil, not only bring it to itself. So there is a lot of questions about the oil pipeline to China. Our work is also pumping ROSNEFT.
        3. Manul
          Manul 5 July 2016 21: 39
          0
          Quote: marshes
          Your General Staff

          It's good that you noticed. The Caspian Sea has turned from a puddle into a springboard, to which our enemies now need to divert resources and attention. Since our General Staff decided that the time has come, I, being in reserve and ready to stand under arms, do not think that my command is less versed in such matters than you. And the fact that you "separated" (many people from Uzbekistan, and from Ukraine, and from Kazakhstan, and from the Baltic states, and even from Moldova still associate themselves with us as one whole), indicates that there is nothing good about our actions you never write. In my opinion you are just jealous. That we the whole world, and you, made your jaw drop to the floor.
      2. Kasym
        Kasym 5 July 2016 19: 44
        +8
        The militarization of the Caspian will occur due to disputed hydrocarbon deposits in the triangle Turkmenistan-Iran-Azerbaijan. And to remove this issue, it is necessary to determine sovereign boundaries. But at the same time there are deposits that can be located in several countries and this is the most delicate issue. We decided to develop border deposits with Russia on the principle of 50 to 50. If others can also agree, then questions will disappear.
        And regarding the Calibers, in my opinion, they were already on the new RTOs based precisely on Kapia (they simply do not exist in other fleets) - so they decided to test the entire system and show the strategic importance of the Caspian for the region. Previously, the Caspian was called an internal puddle and no one reckoned with any kind of flotilla. And now, if you outline a circle of 3t.km with a compass, you can immediately see how much. And try to get this "mosquito fleet". And it seems to me that initially there were no Calibers in the Mediterranean Sea, but in the Caspian Sea everything was already ready and there was no point in transferring them - the range allowed.
        Bolot, I think that it is precisely because of the Caspian Russian Flotilla that Astana is not obsessed with ships and navy - there are enough boats to drive poachers. Well, the Air Force with the complexes of anti-ship missiles and air defense on the coast to place. That's all our efforts about this. And personally, I don’t see any threats there. With the main player - the Russian Federation - everything is clear (along the borders, in production and transportation, militarily - the Collective Security Treaty Organization, cross-border trade is growing, roads are being built and the sky is opening, the CU and the EAEU). Here the NAS is not obscured - try squeezing out the extra penny from it, especially since it does not bring profit. hi
        Yes, and the Russian Federation (within the framework of the Collective Security Treaty Organization) is advantageous to locate air defense and anti-ship missile systems with us, because we are farther south and are capable of the distant approaches to the Kasp base. Fleet. "remove" all threats - although I cannot imagine that anyone would dare to show such aggression.
        1. marshes
          marshes 5 July 2016 19: 55
          -3
          Quote: Kasym
          Bolot, I think that it is precisely because of the Caspian Russian Flotilla that Astana does not get dirty with ships and the fleet - there are enough boats

          Therefore, several types of bottom mines were purchased. smile I thought at first the Russians turned out to be the Italians. Here and the demand for mine minesweepers appeared if the second RF refuses to do that .... We’ll mine our entire water area. It’s a lot of money.
          Quote: Kasym
          Well, the Air Force with the anti-ship missile systems on the shore to place.

          Well, we have come to this, by the way.
          Quote: Kasym
          . With the main player - the Russian Federation - everything is clear (along the borders, in production and transportation, militarily - the Collective Security Treaty Organization, cross-border trade is growing, roads are being built and the sky is opening, the CU and the EAEU).

          With this player, dark future -Tell me. -Not a lot of trouble will get.
          Quote: Kasym
          Here the NAS is not obscured - try squeezing out the extra penny from it, especially since it does not bring profit.

          This is the future problem for us. We donate little money for defense.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 5 July 2016 21: 20
            +1
            "allocates little money for defense."
            Everything is clear from the side of the National Academy of Sciences - there are no direct, military threats, and that’s flickering. From an economic point of view, there is no income; MIC as there is none. But on the other hand, the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan will be equipped more than their neighbors in Central Asia - and they will balance on this.
            It is clear to us that we want our armed forces to have only the best and most advanced, and that the fighters should be trained. But how much will it cost? And will this not cause an arms race with neighbors?
            Swamps, troubles can be expected from a POOR neighbor. So what problems can the RF bring? If she becomes poor, then expect trouble for all her neighbors. 140 mil. potential migrant workers, following the example of our southern neighbors. Therefore, the Russian Federation, by definition, cannot be poor, and if it threatens it, then we all need to help it. Those Chinese have long understood everything - the Russian Federation is poor - it will be a sentence for them. It will not withstand the pressure of NATO alone, and the leaders of the Russian Federation will be bought, as with the EBN. And believe me, that a rich RF is only at hand. Here and trade, and security, etc. etc. And then why should they create problems for us? No, the Russian Federation, like us (the RK), needs strong allies - why bind the clamps to ourselves !? Fighting for energy in the Caspian - yes, they have 30% of the world in that Arctic. stocks ?! No, the Russian Federation has a strategic interest in us - this is neighboring, peaceful, friendly and calm territory (Ukraine and the Baltic countries are an example for this - Moscow divides 3 divisions). And not poor, i.e. mass relocation and guest workers are not expected. Access to Central Asia, China, Iran with good infrastructure - pipelines and roads, a space center and military training sites.
            Bolot, we have already seen poor Russia - EBN, the Chechen events and admiration for the West. Now I want to see a strong and rich Russian Federation - all the "irrigators" will be asked to be allies (20 years, no more). It is obvious to me that all strong players need Russia. USA, EU, PRC (Asia). But with the first two, everything seems to be clear. But Beijing will win - if only the Kremlin does not let its own. But as he said, the PRC understands perfectly what kind of RF they need. And it plays into our hands, very much even, because China is a neighbor. Approximately the same welfare of the population - so why not jump together ?! Moreover, the PRC has free money that it invested in other countries - now they also have the opportunity to invest well (they are even ready to invest in the autobahn around the Black Sea - this says something about something)
            To us, for the RK, if you look at the story, the gates were all closed. I remember how this smuggling dragged on from China, the Russian Federation, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan - and you remember. But soon this will not happen. Many do not understand this, but the Chinese understand (why then build 50 enterprises with us). Raw materials, investment climate and conditions, energy carriers (electric power) and infrastructure - even the Russians envy them - they cannot do this now, but in 5 years ... we could only have time. That is, you invest tenge, and you take out rubles, yuan, dollars, etc. - when did it happen !? Those. for example, you buy flour and sugar, make cookies and sell for other currency; or raised cucumbers and sold abroad. This is the main thing for any economy - sales. And if the neighbors give it to you, then it is natural that they need something. It is necessary to negotiate and bargain.
            1. marshes
              marshes 5 July 2016 21: 39
              0
              Quote: Kasym
              "allocates little money for defense."

              Again, a large and detailed text was written as on the transmissions of Pravda or Zhemin Zhibao, it is felt that they did not serve normally in the army. There is short, in a concise format and to the point. There is no time to "suck" everything, what you like that just hint and understand.
              Aktobe, everyone was replaced. For some issues, it’s not up to financing, they really allocated little money.
              I will not describe, but everything is under "secret".
              Take MO, the same garbage, although social. there is a package for employees.
              In short, not here, and not with you, do not be offended.
              1. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu 5 July 2016 21: 53
                +2
                Quote: marshes
                No, the second Persian Gulf is real. At the moment, we cannot bring oil from Kashagan to the market, it will instantly bring prices down.
                Need yak dad bully - Lukashenko under Russian refining quickly muddied oil ..
                Quote: marshes
                Moreover, China has no desire to invest in future projects in the Caspian.
                In any case, Beijing will break through a "window to Europe", all the more so with the ongoing growth of rivalry with the United States and its allies in the APR. China needs a reliable rear and a spare corridor ..
                By the way:
                The American oil company Chevron is investing 37 billion in increasing production at the Tengiz oil field in Kazakhstan.
                Although more interest is the following info:
                The freezing of budgetary expenditures to 2020 was approved. Earlier, the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation said that nominal containment of expenditures would lead to a real reduction by 20% by the year of 2019. By the end of 2019, the National Welfare Fund (National Welfare Fund) will be reduced by almost 40%, to 2,97 trillion rubles.
                1. marshes
                  marshes 5 July 2016 21: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: Alibekulu
                  In any case, Beijing will break through a "window to Europe", all the more so with the ongoing growth of rivalry with the United States and its allies in the APR. China needs a reliable rear and a spare corridor ..
                  By the way:

                  What the joke was, they wanted to export oil from Kazakhstan through the terminals at the .... moment .... Ukrainian Crimea, and also Gas. What Uncle Vova broke, and then judging by the reaction, according to which China is not so willing to money in Russia invests. laughing It seems that the neighbors in the Imbi government are not healthy people.
                  1. Alibekulu
                    Alibekulu 6 July 2016 18: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Kasym
                    Swamps, troubles can be expected from a poor neighbor

                    You, as if to say, generally turned upside down what Bolot wanted to convey. He is just for Bokhata, but at the same time an adequate Russia .. At the same time, with a rich Russia, there is a "dizziness with success."
                    And often the actions of brutal Vovochka somehow affect the welfare of the K-on. And in many ways not for the better.
                    Quote: marshes
                    It seems that the neighbors in the Imbi government are not healthy people.
                    I have associations with the TV series "Brigade". A brilliant film in its own way. It seems that the heroes are written off from the St. Petersburg gang.
                    The same show-off, boyhood, "muscle play". GDP is working on the hair dryer. Lavrov with his "D.B."
                    Well, as it were, "speech etiquette" is laid down in public space.
                    Quote: marshes
                    What did Uncle Vova slander, and then judging by the reaction, according to which China is not so willing to invest money in Russia?
                    Well, then, the value of our "Nurly Zhol" - the way to Oyropa will increase. And Beijing has no choice. The United States in Southeast Asia gathered a decent Entente against them. Even communist Vietnam is with them ..
                    And the PRC, one way or another, needs an "emergency exit" from the strategic impasse into which Washington is driving it.
                    And K-n is needed at least just "for every extreme" - "the pocket does not pull the stock" .. Especially against the background of a big neighbor who loves to play "geopolitical games" ..
        2. Wasiliy1985
          Wasiliy1985 5 July 2016 20: 18
          +1
          Kasym, tremendous THANKS! It is for the detailed commentary with the voice acting "what-wants" and based on this "who-is-doing". Thanks! Hope that your comment ends our bickering :)
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 6 July 2016 00: 10
            +1
            No offense. In short. That is based on two of its basic principles, from which the National Academy of Sciences did not depart - whether we like it or not, but they wanted to sneeze at the top.
            1. First, the economy, then politics. This is domestic policy.
            2. With 93 for the creation of the Union with the Russian Federation and other Soviet republics. And this is external. But based on the fact that Comrade. Xi announced at the congress on July 1 an alliance with the Russian Federation (CSTO); it must be assumed that the PRC is becoming an ally on a global scale.
            Therefore, the National Academy of Sciences will lay out more percentages assigned to the army if it "bakes". As with BTT, cartridges or aircraft with turntables. But the social package for the military must be done better than in the Russian Federation - they will run, then do not go to the fortuneteller. hi
            Vasily, if our presidents changed, as in Ukraine, it would be difficult to analyze. And here ... it is predictable, NAS has been studied up and down for fifteen years. He, as world economic gurus, was "enlightened" with 7 economies. clusters, so he rushes like a tank. And even the next president can't really change anything. NAS is more likely to build shipyards in the Caspian than to buy RTOs (whether we like it or not; well, unless the GDP asks for it somehow). hi
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz 5 July 2016 19: 06
      +6
      I strongly disagree with you!
      Firstly: the strike with Calibers from the Caspian Sea was not so much a blow to ISIS as a "PR move", they say, "and we can still do that." And it was designed mainly for viewers in Europe.
      Secondly: on the one hand, yes, I would like to see the Caspian Sea more or less demilitarized, because we have no enemies on the sea, as such. On the other hand, given the range of our cruise missiles, the water area of ​​this lake is a unique springboard for launching missile attacks, right up to the Arabian Peninsula.
      Thirdly: do we have many ships in the fleet of the far sea zone that they can strike from the Mediterranean Sea? Now it’s slightly increased, yet the Black Sea Fleet is being updated. At that time, there was nothing to shoot from the Mediterranean.
      And fourthly: it’s impossible to demilitarize the Caspian, because it is one continuous oil and gas field. Who knows what relations we will have with the same Iran in 15-20 years? Maybe you’ll have to bite for a barrel of oil ...

      hi
      1. marshes
        marshes 5 July 2016 19: 21
        -6
        Quote: Wiruz
        Firstly: the strike with Calibers from the Caspian Sea was not so much a blow to ISIS as a "PR move", they say, "and we can still do that." And it was designed mainly for viewers in Europe

        Then it was necessary to launch from the Black Sea or steeper from the Baltic Sea. And so the demonstration of intimidation for the countries of the Caspian region.
        Quote: Wiruz
        Secondly: on the one hand, yes, I would like to see the Caspian Sea more or less demilitarized, because we have no enemies on the sea, as such. On the other hand, given the range of our cruise missiles, the water area of ​​this lake is a unique springboard for launching missile attacks, right up to the Arabian Peninsula.

        You contradict yourself.
        Quote: Wiruz
        Thirdly: do we have many ships in the fleet of the far sea zone that they can strike from the Mediterranean Sea? Now it’s slightly increased, yet the Black Sea Fleet is being updated. At that time, there was nothing to shoot from the Mediterranean.

        Yes, at that time, it seemed, and there were no ships that could show their power in the Mediterranean, but not the USSR.
        Quote: Wiruz
        And fourthly: it’s impossible to demilitarize the Caspian, because it is one continuous oil and gas field. Who knows what relations we will have with the same Iran in 15-20 years? Maybe you’ll have to bite for a barrel of oil ...

        That is precisely what needs to be demilitarized in order for investments to go, and this is a lot of money. Money loves SILENCE!
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 5 July 2016 20: 17
          +2
          Quote: marshes
          Quote: Wiruz
          Firstly: the strike with Calibers from the Caspian Sea was not so much a blow to ISIS as a "PR move", they say, "and we can still do that." And it was designed mainly for viewers in Europe

          Then it was necessary to launch from the Black Sea or steeper from the Baltic Sea. And so the demonstration of intimidation for the countries of the Caspian region.
          Quote: Wiruz
          Secondly: on the one hand, yes, I would like to see the Caspian Sea more or less demilitarized, because we have no enemies on the sea, as such. On the other hand, given the range of our cruise missiles, the water area of ​​this lake is a unique springboard for launching missile attacks, right up to the Arabian Peninsula.

          You contradict yourself.
          Quote: Wiruz
          Thirdly: do we have many ships in the fleet of the far sea zone that they can strike from the Mediterranean Sea? Now it’s slightly increased, yet the Black Sea Fleet is being updated. At that time, there was nothing to shoot from the Mediterranean.

          Yes, at that time, it seemed, and there were no ships that could show their power in the Mediterranean, but not the USSR.
          Quote: Wiruz
          And fourthly: it’s impossible to demilitarize the Caspian, because it is one continuous oil and gas field. Who knows what relations we will have with the same Iran in 15-20 years? Maybe you’ll have to bite for a barrel of oil ...

          That is precisely what needs to be demilitarized in order for investments to go, and this is a lot of money. Money loves SILENCE!

          From the Black Sea is not a fact that would fly. There the hellish hook should have been done, because Turkey would not have agreed, and the scandal is not needed. And if a new rocket falls into the territory of a NATO member country? Fucking you strategist :)
          1. marshes
            marshes 5 July 2016 20: 30
            -3
            Quote: Muvka
            Fucking you strategist :)

            For being like von Clausewitz, and even Wiruz, "quieted down" for a while. smile
            I love you activists, the first will go to the embrasure smile as the battles first die. A bit later the battle is like a chess game. smile
            1. Wiruz
              Wiruz 5 July 2016 21: 00
              0
              Wiruz became quiet because he realized that talking to you on this topic is useless.

              Do you offer to shoot from the Black Sea through Turkey? Or even from the Baltic through all of Europe?

              Are you worried that we scared the Caspian countries with our attack? But you do not notice the strategic importance of the Caspian Flotilla with such weapons. Or do you think that in general it is necessary to abandon warships of the Russian Navy in the Caspian in order to attract investment? Rave...

              In general, let's not forget that even before the enchanting volley by Caliber, Russia already had long-range non-nuclear cruise missiles, though only air-based. At least the same X-555. Why am I doing this? To the one, that, according to your logic, Russia’s neighboring countries had something to fear before, for that matter ...

              Bolot, can I have a personal question? You, at one o'clock, on May 21 of this year, on the central square of your city "Shal ket!" did not shout?
              1. marshes
                marshes 5 July 2016 21: 19
                -3
                Quote: Wiruz
                Wiruz became quiet because he realized that talking to you on this topic is useless.

                The wounds were more active, or that in KZ laughing On the Beeline.
                Quote: Wiruz
                Are you worried that we scared the Caspian countries with our attack?

                Seriously. But they didn’t.
                Quote: Wiruz
                But you do not notice the strategic importance of the Caspian Flotilla with such weapons. Or think that you generally need to abandon the warships of the Russian Navy in the Caspian

                Black and the Mediterranean exist for such operations.
                Quote: Wiruz
                in order to attract investment? Rave...

                And why the hell did you attract investments to your Caspian?
                Quote: Wiruz
                In general, let's not forget that even before the enchanting volley by Caliber, Russia already had long-range non-nuclear cruise missiles, though only air-based. At least the same X-555. Why am I doing this? Besides, in your logic, the neighboring countries of Russia had something to fear before, for that matter ...

                And here it’s generally violet.
                1. Wiruz
                  Wiruz 5 July 2016 21: 26
                  0
                  Seriously. But they didn’t.

                  The fact that you did not have a personal text message from Min.Oborona does not mean that there were no notifications about the attack. At least Iraq and Iran were accurately notified.

                  Black and the Mediterranean exist for such operations.

                  At that time, the Russian Navy stupidly had no other ships with Caliber. In addition, to shoot from Black directly through Turkey? ...

                  And why the hell did you attract investments to your Caspian?

                  Do I look like an economist? Thank.

                  And here it’s generally violet.

                  Well, yes, the presence of the Gauges of our neighbors is scary. And the presence of non-calibers - no laughing

                  The wounds were more active

                  I mainly discuss topics that interest me. Recently, unfortunately, there are few such sites on the site.
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 5 July 2016 21: 45
      0
      Quote: marshes
      she led to the militarization of this region

      Yes, finally change your rhetoric, the "tagged one" promised that we would disarm and there would be peace and love.
      1. jjj
        jjj 6 July 2016 00: 50
        0
        It seems that the citizen of "Bolot" writes, translating from English, arguing with the Western system of evidence from "Red Heat"
  9. Wasiliy1985
    Wasiliy1985 5 July 2016 18: 51
    0
    Quote: Chariton
    The world froze in tension ... bully

    Exactly! :) "As a patrol ship with fellow ships, NATO strained." - this book needs to be published in a wide circulation. :) :)
  10. atamankko
    atamankko 5 July 2016 18: 53
    0
    But not all NATO generals are pan-headed,
    They know and understand that we have something to answer.
  11. masiya
    masiya 5 July 2016 19: 10
    0
    So it seems that the targets in Syria have been explored, the blow will again be dealt unexpectedly from the Caspian Sea, and certainly to ISIS, there should not be other goals of the exercises !!!
  12. Wasiliy1985
    Wasiliy1985 5 July 2016 20: 23
    -1
    Comrade "swamps" or "natsik", or paid for. We get from the State Department, "swamps" about, or from MI-6? AND?
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 5 July 2016 20: 25
      0
      Judging by some phrases, this um, um, "comrade" swamp either to Poland or the Baltic states needs to move. After all, Russia is "really threatening" those.
      1. marshes
        marshes 5 July 2016 20: 47
        -3
        Quote: Kos_kalinki9
        Judging by some phrases, this um, um, "comrade" swamp either to Poland or the Baltic states needs to move. After all, Russia is "really threatening" those.

        Why the hell do they need me, also an Asian. laughing
        So I traveled through Poland and Lithuania, so-so, I didn’t see anything interesting. By the way, in the USA, Turkey, China, Germany, Thailand, Great Britain, New Zealand, the United Arab Emirates, India and Poland and Lithuania, Belarus was laughing I’ve been traveling to Russia since 76. laughing
        1. marshes
          marshes 5 July 2016 22: 03
          0
          Quote: marshes
          So I traveled through Poland and Lithuania, so-so, I didn’t see anything interesting. By the way, in the USA, Turkey, China, Germany, Thailand, Great Britain, New Zealand, the United Arab Emirates, India and Poland with Lithuania and Belarus was in the Russian Federation since 76 I’ve been traveling for a year.

          I still forgot your African countries laughing Egypt Sierra Leone and so on ...
    2. marshes
      marshes 5 July 2016 20: 42
      0
      Quote: Wasiliy1985
      Comrade "swamps" or "natsik", or paid for. We get from the State Department, "swamps" about, or from MI-6? AND?

      I’m not working for Israeli intelligence. At Mossad laughing Can't on mamad laughing And on dry. laughing
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 5 July 2016 20: 52
        +1
        Quote: marshes
        I’m not working for Israeli intelligence. At Mossad

        - but what a little detail there ... let's go straight to Cosa Nostra laughing
        1. marshes
          marshes 5 July 2016 21: 01
          -1
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          - but what a little detail there ... let's go straight to Cosa Nostra

          Not a long time ago not a bad series about the Neapolitan Camora, GOMORA, looked. It looks like from life there. laughing
  13. valent45
    valent45 5 July 2016 20: 41
    +2
    swamps, BTW, written together by K and Stati, learn Russian.
    1. marshes
      marshes 5 July 2016 20: 52
      -5
      Quote: valent45
      swamps, BTW, written together by K and Stati, learn Russian.

      But why?
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 5 July 2016 21: 31
        +1
        But why?

        So then you don’t have to learn Chinese
        1. marshes
          marshes 5 July 2016 21: 50
          -4
          Quote: Wiruz
          So then you don’t have to learn Chinese

          Yes, they are not bad in English, especially from Shanghai and Hong Kong, Hong Kong.
          Those who are with XUAR can also speak Kazakh. smile
  14. Mestny
    Mestny 5 July 2016 21: 02
    +2
    Quote: marshes
    The decision from the Caspian is spontaneous and not deliberate.

    The "Caspian solution" is such a demonstration of possibilities. What can be obtained from far, far away, through the territory of some states, this is how to get whoever is needed.
    The demonstration was successful. Those who need what they need understood.
    1. marshes
      marshes 5 July 2016 21: 23
      -3
      Quote: Mestny
      The "Caspian solution" is such a demonstration of possibilities. What can be obtained from far, far away, through the territory of some states, this is how to get whoever is needed.
      The demonstration was successful. Those who need what they need understood.

      And what is the teaching of the Strategic Missile Forces little?
  15. Mestny
    Mestny 5 July 2016 21: 04
    -1
    I love you activists, the first will go to the embrasure

    Without such activists, one cannot win the war.
    1. marshes
      marshes 5 July 2016 21: 21
      -4
      Quote: Mestny
      Without such activists, one cannot win the war.

      Yes, they are akin to suicide bombers that IED drag on themselves. The main thing is ideology. But I studied this garbage ... The funny thing is in Moscow. smile
  16. wow
    wow 5 July 2016 21: 31
    -1
    Moldav, b !!!! Keep it up !!!
  17. Khariton
    Khariton 5 July 2016 22: 08
    +1
    "The people" many "got excited" ...
    It will be necessary to bang not only "Caliber" ... Zeroing was easy! soldier
  18. Stas57
    Stas57 5 July 2016 22: 18
    0
    Bulgaria on the eve of the NATO summit suddenly thwarted the creation of a united NATO flotilla in the Black Sea - it refused to participate at the last moment, like Yanukovych did in the association. According to the logic "who benefits" the Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov was bought or intimidated by Sauron. However, Borisov is the most anti-Russian Prime Minister of Bulgaria (I don't know what Sauron has to do with it, well, let him), he disrupted the southern stream and stopped the construction of the Russian nuclear power plant. In addition to the fact that the flotilla will actually be under Turkish command (and it is still difficult for the Bulgarians to sell subordination to the Turks against Russia), there is just an insult at last.
    It coincided (Saruman conjured) that on the eve of the Bulgarian leadership learned that the Arbitration Court at the International Chamber of Commerce awarded Russia 550 million euros of compensation from Bulgaria for Borisov terminating the agreement on the construction of Belene NPP. He terminated it under strong pressure from the West, and then suddenly discovered that no one was going to instead solve the problem of energy supply in Bulgaria, nor stop the rise in electricity prices, nor pay Russians compensation for the termination.
    For the old part of the West, containing Russia is just part of the game according to general Western rules, and for many East European politicians this is a commodity. And when they discover that they do not want to pay for it, they are offended. Maxim Samorukov about the sudden Bulgarian rebellion in NATO.http: //carnegie.ru/commentary/2016/07/04/ru-63989/j2qm
  19. Machete
    Machete 6 July 2016 00: 30
    0
    Fine. Let the eyes of the enemy more often. Though they will see what awaits them.
    Maybe they will start to think with their head, and not with Euro-Atlantic solidarity.
  20. red joni
    red joni 6 July 2016 00: 46
    0
    why should anyone frighten the teachings in that region and so are all frightened well, if you want it, okay, learning light and ignorance is darkness, as they say.
  21. Wolka
    Wolka 6 July 2016 05: 38
    0
    Well, if we’ve gotten into a marushko, then it will be the case, there will be something to see, but we are waiting ...
  22. earloop
    earloop 6 July 2016 23: 51
    +1
    On a hike for "calibration".