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On the plum Putin Russian patriotism in Turkish tomatoes

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A rather strange feeling from reading some analytical materials and especially from the comments of the readers (or pretending to be reading) here.

On the plum Putin Russian patriotism in Turkish tomatoes


Surprise another explosion, "Putinslil, betrayed us!", Perhaps, no longer surprised. You want, you do not want, and you will develop immunity from pseudo-patriotism, for the hangover from this drink is worse than from fake vodka. But one must not only eat into the head, it is also useful for her to think.

And with this, those who play from pseudo-patriotism are obviously quite complicated. This is also noticeable by how many people spoke with frank mockery about the lack of patriotism among the Russians, about Erdogan’s supposedly political victories, that we were once again betrayed. Changed to the beaches and tomatoes.

Yes, the situation unwound with a speed that nobody expected. As soon as Putin announced the lifting of sanctions in the tourist market, Turkey immediately became number one in popularity. Sorry, this is the FSB for the apartments went, forcing the Russians to buy vouchers? Or did they spit on something?

For the sake of justice, I note that back in June, crossing Belarus, on the M1 highway leading to Minsk, I observed a rather large number of Russian numbers on cars. No, it is clear that everyone during the holiday season urgently decided to visit their Belarusian relatives. But a couple of cars with surfboards on the roofs somehow made us doubt it.

In short, those who wanted to vote ruble for Antalya and other places, he voted. And he did not care about sanctions and other political jokes. This is his vacation, this is his choice.

Actually, why? Why to Turkey? And everything is simple. How many do not talk about the Crimean resorts, the service is still lame on both legs. Starting from a rather problematic and expensive journey and ending with prices that are clearly too high for such a resort. There is no need to write about the quality of rest.

For comparison, I took the example to rest for a resident of Novosibirsk. Flight Novosibirsk - Simferopol and a week later will cost back in 36 thousand rubles. The same operation, but with the destination Antalya - 40 thousands.

Not the most expensive holiday for two in Koktebel with two meals in economy class for a week - 36-37 thousand. The same is in Antalya (only they have a different concept of economy class) - from 60 thousands.

The difference seems to be hefty, 30%. But apparently there is something that outweighs these 30% and patriotism. "Prikormlennost" Russians certain places and level of service. And since it is necessary to go on vacation today, and the "future" resorts of Russia in the form of the Krasnodar Territory and the Crimea will reach the level of the Turkish exactly in the future, here's the result.

And then, when it was possible to stop the Russian bans? Planes do not fly, travel agencies do not work, ships do not float ... Nothing, they reached Berlin, and here Turkey is some kind ...

So these bans are more likely a challenge to the Russian mentality. Can't you? Yeah, right now ... Danger? Come on! Break through! And, characteristically, who wanted to - he broke through.

In general, these bans with Egypt and Turkey seem to be on hand to Russian tourist businessmen. However, this was written earlier, and we have a shorter season, and a lot of things, than with the Turks it is difficult to bear. But this is not a question for Putin, but for Medvedev. To make our vacation spots more attractive than the Turkish ones is the challenge. Which our government decided not to rush. What for? Easier to ban.

But the Turkish humble servant from the tourist industry is more attractive than a fellow countryman who helps to rest. Fact? Indisputable.

And it turns out in practice that a Russian who has rushed to Turkey is either a patriot or a patriot, but prefers to spend his money the way he likes. If in my opinion - not a patriot, of course. This is a true patriot who doesn’t care about what is happening, and he would not go to the Turks, and godfather Sereyuga would dissuade Kohl’s friend.

However, given the fact that our government frankly doesn’t care about many aspects of our existence, it’s not much that we want to blame the non-patriots. The question arises: why do the rulers here do not want to make it so that in the Crimea and the Krasnodar Territory it will be no worse, but cheaper to rest?

I emphasize boldly: not more expensive in Turkey, but cheaper in the Crimea.

To make rest in Turkey and Egypt more expensive - it’s not a lot of mind. But in Russia it is cheaper to make and not worse - yes, I’ll have to plow here. But having plowed, and bringing everything into conformity, so much so that the people could see and feel this, then it is possible to drag out patriotism.

Returning to our pseudo-patriots, we can offer a very simple way to solve the problem. Do not rest in Turkey, the benefit no one forces. Boycott Turkish goods. The best way to show your patriotism. As with the "Roshen" came out. Boycotted? Boycotted. And with us, in 100 km from the factory, the "Roshenovsky" candies in the afternoon with fire cannot be found in the city. Traders do not take them from warehouses, since they are not sold separately.

The same with Turkish goods and services.

And to smoke on websites and forums, tearing traffic that Putin leaked everyone and betrayed everyone ... Meaning? Show yourself cool or in the hope that Putin will reach? Strange approach.

Now let's go around and around Putin for a walk.

What was it screaming about? On the joint fight against terrorism and the use of Incirlik? And so what? In general, this base, we need it? Yes, the attacks were, they say, the Turks are reptiles such, first they promised a base, then they changed their minds. And then again decided to allow it to use.

And do we need this base at all? Is there any point in using it? VKS have proven that they are quite able to cope with the tasks and without the use of Turkish territory. From its base, on the territory of a friendly country. Incirlik also belongs to NATO. That is the United States. Albeit on Turkish soil. With all the ensuing consequences.

Verdict: not needed. Political move, nothing more.

But why all pseudo-and ultra-patriots see the situation only from one side? And from the same side they voice their precious opinion?

But everything is simple. Erdogan in the corner. Really knocked over. The Europeans strongly offended the Turkish president, if not ticker. The promises that have been made for many years are not fulfilled. And Turkey is unlikely to become Europe in the coming years, or even decades. Moreover, thanks in large part to Western partners, she lost her position in politics and in the economy. Well, and we helped, with what could, have such. Well, about the United States just to say nothing.

But you can say for Turkey in general and Erdogan in particular. The situation has changed a lot, and not for the better. There was, frankly, Syrian stolen oil. There was a tourist flow from both Europe and Europe. There were sanctions on Iran, Turkey’s closest rival. There were advances by the United States and Europe, caused precisely by "tourist traffic" to Europe. There were even certain guarantees and promises.

And suddenly, at one moment, somehow it was all over. For the point of reference, you can take the time of the launch of the rocket on our bomber.

And after some half a year the situation took on a completely different alignment. Already the above, plus more "excellent" relations with all the neighbors in the region. Plus Russia. Plus, a sudden series of recognition of the Armenian Genocide by the Turks.

And here there were two ways of development of events. Either continue to quietly bend Turkey economically, implementing the policy of various embargoes and prohibitions, or vice versa, to rely on a certain warming of relations.

In other words, to caress Erdogash, scratch behind the ear, then wipe the muzzle on the knee with the question: "What are you, someone's cat, doing? Not good!"

The trial ball was launched and fell into a pocket with the help of Israel. Let's remember how “suddenly” the Turks woke up the desire to improve relations with Israel. And how it was openly discussed in the conversation between Putin and Netanyahu. And as Putin said he does not see anything wrong with Israel and Turkey taking steps towards each other.

Of course, if Putin listened to our couch Internet host, then he should have started to threaten Israel with all imaginable and inconceivable punishments. As it is, they decided to negotiate with our enemies ... I’m not talking about the requirements of individual keyboard-calves for immediate strikes on Turkey with "Gauges" and other personal belongings from our arsenal.

But it turned out the way it did, and as a result we have what we have. And I would recommend to consider the development of events not from the “swallowed again” position, but from the position of the need to restore relations with Turkey.

Do not forget that the keys to the Black Sea in the hands of the Turks. It is a fact. Yes, of course, the catchers squeal in all ways that our Black Sea Fleet will solve this problem. But Turkey is a member of NATO. The second in quantitative and qualitative composition of the army. And the problem of the straits, as I would like the howling pseudo-patriots, cannot be solved.

Moreover, the purely Russian version is here: howling on the Internet is one thing, but to really go to war with Turkey over the straits is quite another. the first is preferable, for safer.

And the possibility of buying the security of our southern borders at the expense of Turkey, through political and economic means, is, if not a victory, then definitely not a defeat.

Let me remind, by the way, that before the NATO summit in Warsaw there is not much time left. And the decisions that will be made at this summit are mostly known. "Russia is the enemy and we must fight it." In short. And there is no special doubt that such an agenda will be adopted, for some reason.

Smart people today understand that stopping NATO today is not realistic. The scenario tested for the USSR works: to draw Russia into an arms race, with all the consequences that emanate from it. Putin, however, constantly says that we will not be drawn into the arms race. We simply have neither money, nor opportunities for this, nor, on the basis of the first two points, desire.

So, if there are no chances to win economically, you have to win politically. And that is exactly what Putin is doing now. Attracts to his side all who can. Interesting primarily economically.

There is no dispute, Erdogan proved to be a fair amount of trash. And playing with him in the political and economic games must be very careful. But we have to. Especially today, in the conditions of his finally spoiled relations with Europe and the USA. Because let's face it: Recep won't leave his throne. And it is difficult to dump him, because he has already strangled and transplanted all the opposition.

Of course, many of us now say that Erdogan needs that ... and another in his place. Not our style. Not ours. The Russian bear showed the Turkish Volcera that he could strangle him without using physical force. But while it is still possible to exist in a neighborly way. What will happen next - time will tell. Erdogan was given a straw to stretch, further depends on him personally.

In any case, as popular wisdom says, a bad world is better than a good quarrel.

One can only sympathize with those who demand clanging. weapons and wants complete isolation of Russia. These are really pseudo-patriots. Badly aware of what they say and write. Yes, more than a hundred years ago, one person said that Russia has only two allies, the army and the navy. That's when we have the fleet, then we'll talk on this topic.

And today’s isolation cannot live in isolation. And, by the way, Erdogan’s example here is indicative. Will eat

Therefore, it is not worth the second time to attack the Turkish rake. Applied to both situations. Let me explain: trust Erdogan as before - stupidity. But to follow the path of further confrontation is also not the smartest move. The truth is always somewhere in the middle, but I hope that Putin’s possession of the truth is alright.
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  1. Passer
    Passer 6 July 2016 06: 01
    +51
    I can not stand the Turks, but in this situation I always believed that a thin world is better than a good war.
    And those who are now most outraged that "putinslil", until recently cried that now they will not be able to relax in Antalya.
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 6 July 2016 06: 07
      +130
      I hate "our" retailers who will now close their shelves for our producers to please Turkish vegetables and fruits ..
      Quote: Passer
      I can not stand the Turks, but in this situation I always believed that a thin world is better than a good war.
      And those who are now most outraged that "putinslil", until recently cried that now they will not be able to relax in Antalya.
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 6 July 2016 06: 16
        +19
        yes, it seems like they have not yet allowed the import of vegetables. And the Prime Minister "said" that they will take into account the interests of local suppliers. Will watch...
        1. PN
          PN 6 July 2016 07: 28
          +148
          What the prime minister said does not have much weight, just like the prime minister himself.
          1. Tsoy
            Tsoy 6 July 2016 08: 06
            +26
            Quote: PN
            What the prime minister said does not have much weight, just like the prime minister himself.


            Therefore, "said" in quotes and is worth ... laughing
            1. lukewarm
              lukewarm 7 July 2016 15: 34
              +6
              laughing Then Prime in vain with a capital letter. He himself is small. So it's better to use quotation marks too.
          2. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 6 July 2016 22: 03
            +3
            Quote: PN
            What the prime minister said does not have much weight, just like the prime minister himself.

            And thank God. laughing
          3. Persistent
            Persistent 7 July 2016 18: 52
            +3
            What the prime minister said does not have much weight, just like the prime minister himself.

            Klikuha Premiere - Chupa Chups says a lot ...
            1. Skifotavr
              Skifotavr 7 July 2016 23: 44
              0
              Quote: Persistent
              Klikuha Premiere - Chupa Chups says a lot ...

              I also call him a Gummy bear. smile
        2. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 6 July 2016 08: 05
          +42
          Quote: Choi
          yes, it seems like they have not yet allowed the import of vegetables. And the Prime Minister "said" that they will take into account the interests of local suppliers. Will watch...


          And what is there to look - all these pennies-fives have only Russian names, and dig deeper, who are the founders? % by 80 bourgeois. In general, it would be time to calm them down, real peasants are robbed.
          1. Al1977
            Al1977 6 July 2016 11: 23
            +8
            Quote: iliitch
            Quote: Choi
            yes, it seems like they have not yet allowed the import of vegetables. And the Prime Minister "said" that they will take into account the interests of local suppliers. Will watch...


            And what is there to look - all these pennies-fives have only Russian names, and dig deeper, who are the founders? % by 80 bourgeois. In general, it would be time to calm them down, real peasants are robbed.

            The largest X5 package (47,86%) among Alfa Group co-owners is Mikhail Fridman (21,9%), German Khan and Alexei Kuzmichyov. 14,43% belongs to the founders of Pyaterochka, 0,06% belongs to the directors of X5
            1. iliitchitch
              iliitchitch 6 July 2016 12: 44
              +18
              Quote: Al1977
              The largest X5 package (47,86%) among Alfa Group co-owners is Mikhail Fridman (21,9%), German Khan and Alexei Kuzmichyov. 14,43% belongs to the founders of Pyaterochka, 0,06% belongs to the directors of X5


              And who else has 52%? And Fridman, Khan, Kuzmichyov by his mother - yes, typically "our boys." Fat brazen cats for which the nearest aspen is crying.
              1. Al1977
                Al1977 6 July 2016 12: 52
                .
                Quote: iliitch
                And 52% from whom else?

                In free circulation on the stock exchange.
                And what about crying? In google banned? Maybe before you write nonsense at least a minute, or is it true that this site is not held in high esteem? The main thing to issue proletarian populism? Aspen .... is it a call to kill in public sources of information, or what?
                1. iliitchitch
                  iliitchitch 6 July 2016 22: 48
                  +8
                  Quote: Al1977
                  In free circulation on the stock exchange.


                  YAH ??? People will always eat. So that 52% of the asset-snacks are free on the stock exchange? Yes% 5-10 maximum, and a controlling stake with a fucking stock in the sweaty little hands of some "almost beggar", by their standards, the offspring of some Rothschild, and Freedmans are running errands for him. This is the reality given to us in sensations.
          2. Reserve officer
            Reserve officer 6 July 2016 14: 39
            +6
            In fact, such an article is an insult to members of the forum. Say, everything is in shit, all pseudo-patriots and bashfuls, and I am in white. VO rules speak of mutual respect on the site. It would be nice for the author to re-read them.
            You can always convey your thoughts to the audience in the correct form.
            1. Talgat
              Talgat 6 July 2016 15: 49
              +1
              The novel wrote everything correctly. And if you read, then he does not offend anyone there - and these expressions here on the site are "accepted" and quite familiar - the author used them simply for expressiveness - so that it was simply more interesting to read.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 July 2016 16: 33
                +23
                Quote: Talgat
                The novel wrote everything correctly. And if you read - then he does not offend anyone there - and these expressions here on the site are "accepted" and are quite familiar

                I am not happy for you that they are familiar to you. But this is your own business. And the article is just disgusting.
                "Yes, they shot down our plane, but we must (who should? !! - my note) keep a course for rapprochement with Turkey. And who thinks otherwise - a pseudo-patriot"
                "Smart people understand that we will not be able to cope with NATO, and Turkey is a NATO member, so let us continue to shoot down our planes, we will tolerate, and whoever does not want to endure has the right not to buy Turkish goods."
                Ugh .. am
                After such articles, there is a desire to leave the resource forever. Of course, I won’t leave (it’s so easy not to get rid of me), but the article is really disgusting, it’s good that there are not too many like her on the site. Not yet.
                1. Des10
                  Des10 6 July 2016 19: 07
                  +19
                  I agree with you, the author as a weather vane - works on command.
                  This can be seen in his previous publications, unfortunately.
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                3. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 6 July 2016 20: 54
                  +2
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  And the article is just disgusting.

                  And politics is always disgusting. It always has been and always will be, and nothing can be done about it.
                  And with the attack on our Su it is not clear. Well, what's the point of shooting down an airplane? From the very beginning, it was obvious that because of this, our VKS would not leave Syria. Betrayal in politics is common, but it was just stupid.
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 July 2016 21: 51
                    +11
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    And politics is always disgusting.

                    First, I'm talking about an article, not politics, and these are different things. And secondly, if we talk about politics, then there is a "small" difference - usually the policy of an individual power is disgusting in relation to other countries ("England has no permanent allies, but only permanent interests"), and in this case I I see an abomination in relation to my own country.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 6 July 2016 22: 34
                      -1
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      Firstly, I’m talking about an article, not politics, and these are two different things.

                      But the article is just about politics.
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      usually the policies of an individual power are disgusting in relation to other countries

                      Usually yes, but also political interests at all times prevailed over individual citizens of their own country. For example, the same British sent their convoy PQ-17 to slaughter without cover in order to increase the losses of the USSR in the confrontation with Germany.
                      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 July 2016 23: 54
                        +16
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        But the article is just about politics.

                        And what, sorry? There is a fact - our plane was shot down, our people in military uniform died. I will not talk about morality, duty, honor, just draw your attention to the fact that we have received a political slap in the face, dropping our reputation in the world. How did we answer? I repeat, I am silent about the moral side of things. What have we done to remedy the situation?
                        They did not dare to answer the military. The saddest thing is that all these viplyaplasov’s howls that a retaliatory strike would inevitably entail a war with Turkey and NATO are worthless.
                        Put yourself in the place of Turkey. You want to shoot down a Russian combat aircraft. You attack the Armed Forces of the country, go into conflict with a nuclear power capable of incinerating the United States in 40 minutes! And if they can trample the USA into the Stone Age, then what will they do with unhappy Turkey ?! NATO will protect? But will it protect? Well, yes, if a Russian plane were shot down over Turkish territory, then the matter is different, self-defense in its purest form and NATO Volt-Nolens will have to sign (if they are not afraid). And not over your territory? This is aggression!
                        Scary? Scary. What are the Turks doing? Shot down a Russian plane. What's happening? But nothing happens. In other words, when the Russian Federation was faced with a choice - to endure a slap in the face or to respond by force (limited, of course), then the Russian Federation ... preferred to endure.
                        Well, what guarantees can there be that if the Russian Federation nevertheless responded by blowing up several Turkish planes on the same Inzhirlik, for example, or elsewhere, then Turkey, finding itself in a position to "endure a slap in the face, or go to the escalation of the conflict "would you choose escalation?
                        And none. Because in many cases gopota, having received a forceful rebuff, is lost. Forgive me, they try to take it "on show", and if suddenly the victim becomes a homicide and attacks, then this is new and unusual for them, but there is often no real courage, one flock instinct.
                        Now the second question. When we entered Syria, didn’t we realize that we were dancing on Erdogan’s sick corns? Understood. And once they understood, then what were they counting on? That Erdogan is afraid to go against us, that he will endure. But he did not want to endure, hit. And we were not ready for this. Those. thanks to our policy, we put ourselves in the position of the very gopota who takes on a show off, but is lost when the answer is given. And this is a very big political loss of face.
                        Okay, we applied economic sanctions. We omit the moral question, just look at politics. And everything is very bad with her, because the most important point - disconnecting from the gas, which could really bring Turkey to its knees - did not dare to apply, which is why they demonstrated to the whole world the "seriousness" of their intentions.
                        Okay, as they like to write here, a multi-move from Putin. "They won't get off with tomatoes!", "We know what to do!" Okay. We believe our leadership that the sanctions that were imposed with half a sin will be enough for Erdogan not to feel too little. So what?
                        But nothing. As soon as Erdogan portrayed ... no, not an apology - it never happened (and what apologies can there be?), But just a desire to improve relations - we immediately open the flow of tourists to Turkey ...
                        Well, tell me, where is our political gain in all of this? You write that politics is a dirty business. Good. But the point of politics is not to fall out in the mud, but to do it for some good for oneself. Where is it, our good?
                      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 July 2016 23: 55
                        +3
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        For example, the same British sent their convoy PQ-17 for slaughter without cover in order to increase the losses of the USSR in the confrontation with Germany.

                        I see that you are completely unfamiliar with the history of the PQ-17. There, if anything, two battleships with an aircraft carrier went under cover, I generally keep quiet about the cruiser. And the reason for the death of the convoy does not lie in the "increase in the losses of the USSR", it is a conspiracy of pure water.
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 7 July 2016 06: 38
                        +2
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        I see that you are completely unfamiliar with the history of PQ-17

                        "PQ-17 - Convoy to Hell" by Paul Lund, who was one of those who sailed in this convoy.
                        ... The situation was terrible. Admiral Hamilton and 2nd-Class Captain Broome were forced to obey orders that they both disliked. However, they believed that the Admiralty had some special information not known to the commanders at sea. It is this information that forces the command to issue orders through the head of the admiral at the scene. Officers and sailors of escort ships did not understand anything at all, they saw no reason for such a decision. And what was it like to the sailors of merchant ships who saw warships abandon them? And what about the duty of escort ships to protect their transports at all costs? After all, this tradition of the British fleet has never been violated.
                        The direct escort ships immediately began to request with flag signals and Aldis lamps from the commander what was happening. We were at a loss.
                        At 20.32 "Keppel" transmitted:
                        "All ships of the convoy should disperse and proceed to Russian ports. The escort ships - except destroyers - independently proceed to Arkhangelsk. Destroyers will join Keppel"
                        This order shocked Commodore Dowding. Unable to believe, he asked twice to repeat it. Finally, a two-flag signal # 8 crept to the mast "Afton's Reafer", which meant: "Disperse and follow at full speed." Dowding's surprise and disappointment was nothing compared to the feelings of the skippers of merchant ships, who simply could not believe their own eyes. If the bigwigs in London and Washington heard what was being said about them on the convoy ships, they would have burned with shame. At that moment, the sailors on the transports felt like sacrificial sheep. It seemed incredible to be left to fend for themselves ...

                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        this is a conspiracy of pure water

                        Either alarmists and fools sat in the English admiralty, or it was a conscious move. I am inclined to consider the second option more probable.
                      4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 July 2016 11: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        "PQ-17 - Convoy to Hell"

                        Those. on policy of the Russian Federation there are no more objections? :)
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Either alarmists and fools sat in the English admiralty, or it was a conscious move. I am inclined to consider the second option more probable.

                        I repeat, you should study the history of PQ-17. A simple example. You quote
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        "All ships of the convoy should disperse and proceed to Russian ports. The escort ships - except destroyers - independently proceed to Arkhangelsk. Destroyers will join Keppel"

                        This is NOT an order of the admiralty - on a convoy they thought of it themselves. But in short, the picture is this:
                        1) The British did not believe that they could send their heavy ships east of Father Medvezhiy. It was believed that this was too dangerous and would lead to heavy losses. They repeatedly informed us about this. That is why this zone was considered as the zone of responsibility of the Soviet Navy
                        2) Accordingly, if the Germans decided to strike at the convoy east of Medvezhy, there would be nothing to parry this strike, which, again, the British repeatedly pointed out
                        3) The USSR demanded convoys.
                        4) To meet the requirements of the USSR and taking into account the insignificance of the Soviet SF (no offense, the fleet fought decently, but there were too few warships, and sevens also had problems with the range) they compromised - the British heavy ships cover up to Bear Bear , and destroyers and so on light lead further. And all this could work smoothly until the Germans brought Tirpitz into the sea
                        5) Finally, when all this mess happened, the Admiralty recalled ONLY the cruiser Hamilton, they did not encroach on the destroyers and other corvettes. The idea to send destroyers with cruisers and send light ships separately from transports belongs to the head of the defensive forces of the convoy Brum.
                      5. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 7 July 2016 19: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Those. on policy of the Russian Federation there are no more objections

                        Objections in what? I already wrote that politics is always disgusting. We don’t know the reasons for making certain decisions, so the future will show.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        This is NOT an order of the admiralty - on a convoy they thought of it themselves.

                        Can I have a source? The recollections say something else:
                        ... But the Admiralty ordered to withdraw at full speed. This could mean only one thing: the "missing" German ships were discovered by Allied reconnaissance, and the cruisers were in immediate danger. Earlier, Admiral Hamilton was ordered to remain with the convoy until further notice. Now an urgent radiogram has confirmed the worst fears.
                        After 12 minutes, a second radiogram came.
                        She was addressed to the captain of the 2nd rank Broome:
                        "Urgent. In view of the threat of surface ships, the convoy will disperse and proceed to Russian ports" ...
                        The officers did not have time to recover from the shock, as the third radiogram arrived, sent 13 minutes after the first:
                        "Especially urgent. Convoy to disperse"
                      6. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 July 2016 21: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Can I have a source?

                        laughing You just quoted it. What did the Admiralty transmit?
                        The first radio message, addressed to Hamilton, rang out an ominous bell: "Urgently urgent. Cruisers move west at full speed."

                        So? So.
                        The second radiogram arrived 12 minutes later. It was addressed to Captain 2nd Rank Brum: "Urgently. In view of the threat of surface ships, the convoy will disperse and proceed to Russian ports." The officers did not have time to recover from the shock when the third radio message was sent, sent 13 minutes after the first: "Especially urgent. The convoy will disperse."

                        Actually, this is all that the admiralty ordered to do. Where is there even a word that destroyers must leave with the cruisers? Where is the word that other ships should stop protecting transports?
                        In fact, the situation was not going so completely tragic. Broome had 6 destroyers, 4 anti-submarine trawler, 4 patrol ships, 3 minesweeper, 2 air defense ships, and all - 19 armed ships, not counting those transports that carried weapons on board. And if Broome dispersed the convoy (in which at that time there were about 30 ships left), appointing 19 of them to accompany one warship, then such enchanting defeat would not have happened. The most high-speed (and those who had their own weapons) transports did not have such a bad chance to pass even alone, and single transport under the guise of a warship, so it’s also easy to not take it. But then a series of mistakes began.
                        Broome and Hamilton decided that the German ships were close (since the Admiralty was so panicked) and the cruisers were being called back to fight the Tirpitz. Remember the telegram
                        The last signal from the Keppel to the Commodore was: “I'm sorry I have to leave you. Looks like a bloody deal ahead... Goodbye, good luck to you. "

                        That is why Broome offers (and Hamilton does not refuse) from 6 destroyers, which could be damn useful in a battle against superior forces kriegsmarin. This is logical, but after that Broome remains with 13 ships. And broome radiates
                        At 20.32 "Keppel" transmitted:
                        "All ships of the convoy should disperse and proceed to Russian ports. The escort ships - except destroyers - independently proceed to Arkhangelsk. Destroyers will join Keppel"

                        That is, the commanders on the ground, because of the misunderstood information, committed a completely heroic act - they gathered the cruisers and destroyers into a fist and went to beat the superior forces of the Kriegsmarine with a face on the table. And the convoy transports were left without cover.
                        That, in fact, is all. However, if you don’t trust my analytics, I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the memoirs of J. Broom himself "Disperse the Convoy!" - he says the same thing :)
                      7. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 7 July 2016 22: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Where is there even a word that destroyers must leave with the cruisers? Where is the word that other ships should stop protecting transports?

                        Quote from Convoy Disperse:
                        Fan Dispersion Procedure
                        Having received the signal “Scatter fan-shaped and follow at maximum speed”, the central column (or right from the center in the case of an even number of columns) follows the previous course. Ships of neighboring columns turn [476] at the same time by 10? to the right and left of the central column. Ships of the following columns are already turned away by 20? from the central column and so on. That is, each subsequent column adds 10 ° to the rotation angle. Thus the columns begin to diverge like fan blades. All ships immediately increase their progress to full, and the ships of each column begin to diverge to the sides as soon as there is enough space.
                        The ships of the central column act as follows: the lead ship continues to follow the previous course; even ships turn right, and odd ships turn left. All ships immediately begin to carry out a radio watch, if earlier radio operators had a rest.
                        After the convoy is dispersed, all actions of the ships remain at the discretion of the skippers. They must remember that the safety of ships depends on how quickly they disperse over the largest possible area. If the ship for several hours no longer sees the enemy raider, and having no other orders, it must follow the intended purpose. Skippers must decide for themselves whether they should go to rendezvous points that have been predefined. After the convoy is dispersed, the transports must remain radio silence.

                        The Admiralty should not have given orders in detail. There are pre-written instructions on how to act in one case or another - these are the convoy commanders who acted as prescribed, that is, scattered the ships as much as possible.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Broome had 6 destroyers

                        It depends on what. Quoting from there:
                        ... I got the old destroyer Veteran, standing in reserve in Chatham. He really was a veteran, because the ship was built immediately after the end of the First World War ...

                        ... The linear fleet, of course, took away all modern destroyers, leaving us only the old ones, to which we added all the ships that could withstand the Arctic weather. These were trawlers, luxury yachts and the like. During one of the first trips, I discovered under my command an elegant yacht, hastily adapted for military purposes ...
                      8. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 8 July 2016 00: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Fan Dispersion Procedure

                        And in what did you see a contradiction to my words? :) I want to remind you that the convoy ships go outside the columns and all of the above you do not apply to them.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The Admiralty should not have given orders in detail. There are pre-written instructions on how to act in a particular case - here are the convoy commanders and acted as prescribed, that is, the ships were scattered as much as possible

                        Yes, by the way, where does the instructions say: "Send destroyers together with cruisers"? :)
                        The funny thing is that the British Admiralty, in general, did the right thing. If the convoy had not scattered, then "Tirpitz" and his comrades would have nailed him for sure. The Germans returned to their fjords only after news that the convoy had dispersed. But the Admiralty did not know that Broome would actually abandon the transports to their fate, and he, in turn, did it with the best of intentions.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        It depends on what. Quoting from there:
                        ... I got the old destroyer Veteran, standing in reserve in Chatham. He really was a veteran, because the ship was built immediately after the end of the First World War ...

                        And what, excuse me? We have "Noviks" fought, and they were not post-final, but the most that neither is military construction.
                        For a submarine, such a destroyer is still mortally dangerous - the submarine will never risk attacking vehicles in the water, if there is even a destroyer, even a frigate, even a corvette, it is suicide for the submarine. And an attack from underwater position is possible only by chance, if the course of transport is within reach, this is the minimum chance. With regard to aircraft, the matter is different, of course, but anyway - this is no longer an attack of defenseless transport.
                      9. novobranets
                        novobranets 8 July 2016 16: 28
                        0
                        Then they forgot another character. Dudley Pound.
                        On July 31, 1939, Dudley Pound was promoted to Fleet Admiral and appointed First Sea Lord. Employees of the Admiralty believed that it was easy to work with. At the same time, the captains and fleet admirals accused him of “driving from the back seat,” as well as other errors; there was a series of skirmishes between Dudley Pound and Admiral Tovey, the commander of the Home Fleet. Pound’s greatest achievement as First Sea Lord is a turning point and a final victory over German submarines during the Battle of the Atlantic. His most criticized decision is the “Convoy Scatter!” Order given to them by the Arctic convoy PQ-17.
                      10. derik1970
                        derik1970 7 July 2016 14: 06
                        +3
                        You are 100% right. And in my opinion, yes, Putin leaked, for some reason ... stupidly leaked, paid by tourists for his indecisive actions in front of Turkey ... hi
                      11. LLI.YT
                        LLI.YT 7 July 2016 17: 34
                        +2
                        I completely agree with you
                4. the most important
                  the most important 6 July 2016 21: 49
                  +4
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  After such articles, there is a desire to leave the resource forever. Of course, I won’t leave (it’s so easy not to get rid of me), but the article is really disgusting, it’s good that there are not too many like her on the site. Not yet.

                  The article is of course a complete "Fu" ... Of course, there is no need to fight with Turkey, but God himself ordered everything to be done for its collapse! Kurdistan on the site of Turkey will solve many problems of BW.
                5. ochakow703
                  ochakow703 8 July 2016 10: 59
                  0
                  Everything in this world is relative, and so is this article. Only after reflecting on the situation with Turkey, there is no single solution. Get into a pose and bend the Turks lower, but why? They will definitely twist, but they will become irreconcilable opponents of everything Russian. Do we need it? Close up and forgive all Erdogashi's vile deeds is not a fountain either. But to conduct a constructive dialogue with them, not forgetting at the same time to constantly poke a muzzle in the guano for the shot down Su and the deceased pilot, so that they constantly have a guilt complex, this is diplomatic "aerobatics".
          3. 97110
            97110 7 July 2016 11: 58
            0
            Quote: iliitch
            % by 80 bourgeois

            And at 20, respectively - the proletarians? Che you skidded. The owner of the capitalist enterprise, the founder, he bought in the stock market, by definition, the capitalist. That is a bourgeois. Even if he works as a master of purity in his spare time from money management.
        3. Fox
          Fox 6 July 2016 08: 49
          +18
          Quote: Choi
          yes, it seems like they have not yet allowed the import of vegetables. And the Prime Minister "said" that they will take into account the interests of local suppliers.

          looked yesterday ... now fruits from turkey filled up the whole market openly (there used to be stickers that were made in bulgaria, belarus, romania, poland, etc ...) but what’s most interesting - a day after the mendel’s speech! efficiency!
          1. Aleksandr1959
            Aleksandr1959 6 July 2016 18: 23
            +1
            looked yesterday ... now fruits from turkey filled up the whole market openly (there used to be stickers that were made in bulgaria, belarus, romania, poland, etc ...) but what’s most interesting - a day after the mendel’s speech! efficiency!

            And that the import of fruits from Bulgaria, Romania, Poland .... someone allowed? In my opinion, they fall under the food embargo in response to sanctions.
        4. iConst
          iConst 6 July 2016 13: 18
          +11
          Quote: Choi
          Yes, it seems like they have not yet allowed the import of vegetables.

          But the point is not what was allowed or not allowed.

          The point in people is whether you are a slave or not.
          Do you buy Turkish tomatoes or go to Turkey to the resort - who are you after that?

          For the umpteenth time I am convinced of a well-aimed remark: our people are good, but people - Mr. ... but.

          In some ways, I understand a certain category of people who want to live abroad: if a person is almost physically hurt when it seems like decent neighbors consider it their duty to throw ads from a mailbox on the floor of the entrance hall in indignation. And this is not one or two.

          Throw a cigarette butt under your feet, although the urn is just around the corner.

          Who considers this a trifle - I do not read it.

          Or dissect in training on Nevsky or climb the subway, even if your training costs five hundred bucks - there are more and more of them.

          All these are indicators, indicators, if you like, of culture or, more precisely, lack of culture - 6 markers.

          Human culture consists of many such "little things": to give way to a woman in transport, not to swear on the whole street, not to sip beer from a bottle on the street, and even more so from a can at home, etc. etc.

          And not because it is not allowed, but because it is an internal credo and you will not do it even when no one sees it.

          Evaluate yourself and your friends from this criterion and you will answer the question - Russia is a cultural country or all the same ....
          1. Tsoy
            Tsoy 6 July 2016 16: 18
            +9
            Quote: iConst
            we have a good people, but people - d ... but.



            I paraphrase. Everyone loves their homeland, but they hate the country.

            Moreover, the level of culture depends on the education of the parents and the parents themselves. If a dad or mother stands and whips a jaguar next to his child, then it is unlikely that an intellectual will grow out of it. With regards to today's situation. In the news proudly report on the huge demand for Turkish tours ashore. And it seems that everyone has forgotten about the pilot, and the marine, and about the other guys who died with at least indirect, but the participation of Erdogan. The situation with national self-awareness and civic position causes sadness to be honest. It turns out that most Russians spat from a large bell tower to national pride. And full tanned belly closer to their self-esteem. But how much was said about spiritual bonds, national unity and so on. But in fact, that's how it turned out.


            Happen now 41 year is no longer known how the situation will turn.
            1. Victor Demchenko
              Victor Demchenko 6 July 2016 18: 33
              +4
              what is the attitude of the government towards the population, such is the attitude to its (government) promises!
              Quote: Choi

              Happen now 41 year is no longer known how the situation will turn.

              I doubt very much that this can happen, although ... looking at how our drivers puff out their cheeks with their hands, and then let the "doves" go, then .... they can try for strength. I'm only afraid that no one will fight for this government!
              1. Tsoy
                Tsoy 6 July 2016 18: 50
                +4
                Quote: Viktor Demchenko
                for this government no one will fight!


                So they are the first to build skis ... real estate then all abroad.
              2. bk316
                bk316 6 July 2016 19: 43
                +7
                Quote: Viktor Demchenko
                that no one will fight for this government!

                In this country, no one will fight for any government, and that is characteristic of no one never fought.
                Always fought for the homeland, and somehow, thank God, it somehow does not depend on the Prime Minister.
                Or do you think that in Afghanistan (I’m not talking about the Great Patriotic War) they fought for the GOVERNMENT? am
          2. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 6 July 2016 18: 24
            +14
            per comment +. but for what Roman wrote .... well, I do not agree with him, even if you kill me, I do not agree! after all the speeches and statements of the brightest, I will not quote and load the forum field, but SO ask for it - it's worth a lot! and what, we will again at our expense WILL BUILD a nuclear power plant in Turkey? do I need it? and again, why are the Turks better than our "brothers" in terms of gas transportation? that here we are again beginning to hammer the tanks "about our great, you know, the chosen path?" where does all this come from, because today energy prices have already reached such heights that very soon we will not be able to pay all our expenses, just like on urkain ... And this postulate, forgive Roman, but who is not with GDP that .... well, insert any word that you like, of course, I don’t have all the data as the brightest, but why our latest "achievements" look more like defeats, and I can prove it! I personally still do not understand from what hangover in the country, which, according to her statement, is in a state of war with us, is our ambassador, and what is he doing there? And how it happened, what exactly in a country in which it is unambiguous and open a Russophobic mood began to be produced as an ambassador who did not have any, even the slightest ability for this? I still do not understand why we support the economy of our potential enemy, who publicly declared us the axis of evil? Maybe that's why the main savings of our so-called elite are located there? And it was not for nothing that old man Brzezinski once said: "... it still needs to be seen, whose elite is this? ..." what And I have such questions personally to VVP, and to our "servants of the people" a carriage and a small cart.
        5. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 6 July 2016 18: 01
          +3
          Quote: Choi
          And the Prime Minister "said" that they will take into account the interests of local suppliers.

          Naive ... and you believed him? what I really do not want to be a boor and a rude person, but believe me, there are no other words left other than a mat about other actions of our so-called government ... request
          1. Tsoy
            Tsoy 6 July 2016 18: 51
            +2
            Quote: Viktor Demchenko
            Naive ... and you believed him?


            He had such a sad look that he wanted to believe. laughing

            Laughter through tears however ...
        6. Shpagolom
          Shpagolom 7 July 2016 20: 26
          0
          .... Anyway, I believe that the supreme leader acted recklessly extending his hand to Erdogan! No results ... positive from anti-Turkish sanctions .... who benefits from the establishment of trade and tourism .... Russia, no, Turks, yes!
          .... Bravo Volodya ... Respect !!
      2. Passer
        Passer 6 July 2016 06: 58
        +46
        Quote: dmi.pris
        I hate "our" retailers, who will now close their shelves for our producers to please Turkish vegetables and fruits.

        And where did you get the idea that retailers are "our"? As far as I remember, the main retail chains belong to foreign companies, and they deeply do not care about all Russian patriotism.
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 6 July 2016 07: 15
          +11
          Didn't you notice the quotes? Galitsky is also like ours, Krasnodar. Just try to buy local fruits in the Kuban "Magnets" ..
          Quote: Passer
          Quote: dmi.pris
          I hate "our" retailers, who will now close their shelves for our producers to please Turkish vegetables and fruits.

          And where did you get the idea that retailers are "our"? As far as I remember, the main retail chains belong to foreign companies, and they deeply do not care about all Russian patriotism.
          1. inkass_98
            inkass_98 6 July 2016 07: 24
            +18
            Quote: dmi.pris
            try to buy local fruits in the Kuban "Magnets" ..

            Apples are Timashev's from "Garden-Giant" and from "Agronomist" laughing , only their price is like that of South American ones, although it is 10 km to "Agronomist" from Krasnodar, and 70 km from Timashevsk.
            1. INTER
              INTER 6 July 2016 11: 19
              +6
              Quote: inkass_98
              only their price is the same as that of South American ones, although it is 10 km from Krasnodar to "Agronomist", and 70 km from Timashevsk.

              Was in Pyatigorsk in the Lukoil store mineral water Essentuki 17 cost 150 rubles. I asked why so, they say uniform prices, so I'm also in Moscow, but here are a few kilometers to the factory? Well, they say it’s better visible upstairs)
          2. Passer
            Passer 6 July 2016 07: 40
            +11
            Quote: dmi.pris
            Didn't you notice the quotes? Galitsky is also like ours, Krasnodar. Just try to buy local fruits in the Kuban "Magnets" ..

            I have them too, like in quotes. I am little interested in the work of Galitsky and others like him, I proceed from the fact that business (or capital) has no nationality, and patriotism is categorically contraindicated there. There, except for profit, nothing matters, and as the same "Magnet" showed for a couple of packs of oil, they can bring to death. The only option is to stupidly boycott Turkish products, but as a friend writes:
            Quote: alllll
            And I am for those that will be cheaper to me personally. I'm from the bell tower to some farmers, I care about my wallet.

            therefore, this option is difficult to implement.
            1. jjj
              jjj 6 July 2016 09: 09
              +10
              For the sake of fairness, I would like to note: after the arrival of "Magnit" in another region, prices in grocery stores there are going down, especially for essential goods. And what would Gelendzhik do without "Magnet" on Sovetskaya?
            2. Egor-dis
              Egor-dis 6 July 2016 09: 34
              +6
              Quote: Passer
              The only option is to stupidly boycott Turkish products, but as a friend writes:
              Quote: alllll
              And I am for those that will be cheaper to me personally. I'm from the bell tower to some farmers, I care about my wallet.
              therefore, this option is difficult to implement.
              Why stupidly boycott? We must boycott wisely. And, if desired organized patriotic forces to arrange targeted discrediting of Turkish goods and services is quite simple. There would be a desire. For example, the desire of the doctors of the sanitary epidemiological stations to delve into Turkish products for southern infections, insects, the content of pesticides / herbicides and other interesting chemistry. It would be desirable for local journalists to cover in detail (and in the right light) the results of what the sanitary-epidemiologists will "dig up". Well, etc. Such an organized and purposeful patriotism can really save from the dominance of imported goods. And at the same time, it is possible to spoil the ratings of officials / politicians, who have appeared on the promotion of Turkish goods and, accordingly, sabotaging the local manufacturer. We will see what the Fedorovs, Zyuganovs, Zhirinovskys and others like them will do.
              1. Al1977
                Al1977 6 July 2016 12: 56
                +1
                Quote: Egor-dis
                We must boycott wisely. And, if you want organized patriotic forces to arrange

                Please start boycotting the USA and stop using windows and the Internet. You will do a great favor. I’ll directly support you morally.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 6 July 2016 13: 14
                  +3
                  Quote: Al1977
                  Please start boycotting the USA and stop using windows and the Internet

                  Why jerk? stop It is unrealistic to boycott Windows with an Internet - there is no alternative. And vegetables with fruits are full of alternatives of decent quality. I personally gave preference to ours before, and now even more so. But Turkish developers need to be boycotted, and at the state level. Here the claim is nevertheless to the state. Billions of lost profits leave the country, and local builders are unemployed. hi
                  1. KVIRTU
                    KVIRTU 6 July 2016 13: 51
                    +4
                    did not try linux?
                    Thanks to the Americans for network technologies, of course, but then we will figure it out ourselves ...
                    By the way, the author of the article (I won’t say that he’s lying) is mistaken in price: the flight Novosibirsk-Simferopol for 2 rubles now. 60 round-trip, Antalya from 200.
                  2. Tsoy
                    Tsoy 6 July 2016 16: 16
                    +3
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Boycotting Windows with an Internet is unrealistic - there is no alternative


                    There is an alternative. True, too, from the United States. Linux All for work in it. Even application emulators for Windows. Modern distribution kits are already polished and quite friendly to the untrained user. But with the Internet of course yes ...
                    1. Egor-dis
                      Egor-dis 7 July 2016 10: 27
                      +1
                      Quote: Choi
                      There is an alternative. True, too, from the United States. Linux All for work in it. Even application emulators for Windows. Modern distribution kits are already polished and quite friendly to the untrained user. But with the Internet of course yes ...
                      Linux is not exactly usa. And sometimes not the USA at all. Given that Torvalds is a Finn, and programmers from all over the world worked on the development. And distribution developers have geographic localization right up to China.
                2. Egor-dis
                  Egor-dis 7 July 2016 10: 20
                  +1
                  Please start boycotting the USA and stop using windows and the Internet.

                  Mazda not use since 2008. And the Internet is generally trophy and in the manner of anti-American sanctions, given that they stole the idea in the Soviet Union.
                  And you, probably, not only use Windows, but also run to beat under the US Embassy?
        2. Alex777
          Alex777 6 July 2016 11: 08
          +1
          Quote: Passer
          And where did you get the idea that retailers are "our"? As far as I remember, the main retail chains belong to foreign companies, and they deeply do not care about all Russian patriotism.


          The magnet is ours, Krasnodar, the largest in the country.
          Crossroads with Pyaterochka, the second in size - too.
          Even the ABC of taste is ours.
          1. samoletil18
            samoletil18 6 July 2016 11: 49
            +2
            Interestingly, in "Ashan" (though I have been there for a long time) there is only a department with goods from local farmers, and local retail only has signs "goods of local production". It is difficult for me to suspect a Frenchman of love for a local producer, although Ashan's yogurt is produced in Russia, but homegrown people surprise me with their clumsiness. In any case, there will be more domestic food, but ours are neither shaky nor shaky, in comparison with the Ashanai and Oceans, winning a supplier in Russia. And then they will whine that foreign networks are strangling the domestic merchant. Because our retailers are ready to work for a penny now, and not for a ruble in the future.
        3. Al1977
          Al1977 6 July 2016 11: 27
          +1
          Quote: Passer
          Quote: dmi.pris
          I hate "our" retailers, who will now close their shelves for our producers to please Turkish vegetables and fruits.

          And where did you get the idea that retailers are "our"? As far as I remember, the main retail chains belong to foreign companies, and they deeply do not care about all Russian patriotism.

          The largest cities of Russia:
          1) Magnet
          2) X5 Retail Group
          Which foreigners do they belong ????? !!!!!
        4. russkiy redut
          russkiy redut 6 July 2016 14: 13
          0
          So that's just the point, this is another Trojan horse in our country, which impedes development!
      3. alllll
        alllll 6 July 2016 07: 00
        .
        And I am for those that will be cheaper to me personally. I'm from the bell tower to some farmers, I care about my wallet.
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 6 July 2016 07: 16
          +5
          Quote: alllll
          main trading networks are owned by foreign companies, and they don’t give a damn about all Russian patriotism.
          alllll Today, 07:00 AM ↑ New
          А I am for those that will be cheaper to me personally.

          The new oligarch and go?
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 6 July 2016 12: 49
            +2
            Quote: V.ic
            The new oligarch and go?

            Quite the contrary, it doesn’t matter to the oligarch who to buy from for hens don’t peck money! A simple person with low incomes will take from someone who sells cheaper.
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            2. evge-malyshev
              evge-malyshev 6 July 2016 12: 55
              0
              Quote: Bayonet
              A simple person with low incomes will take from someone who sells cheaper.


              Got it ... I didn't know that. "They explained very clearly."
        2. Altona
          Altona 6 July 2016 07: 17
          +22
          Quote: alllll
          And I am for those that will be cheaper to me personally. I'm from the bell tower to some farmers, I care about my wallet.

          ---------------------
          Eat "rubber" flavored raw potatoes. Who will forbid you? We in the province already eat our own cucumbers and tomatoes. We grow ourselves. When there is quite a lot of tomato, we will cook khashlama, simmer meat in tomatoes in a cauldron for 4 hours. And you eat tomatoes from Pyaterochka.
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          2. jjj
            jjj 6 July 2016 09: 10
            +5
            Quote: Altona
            We grow ourselves.

            Yes, there is nothing tastier than your own potato
            1. Altona
              Altona 6 July 2016 12: 17
              +1
              Quote: jjj
              Yes, there is nothing tastier than your own potato

              ------------------
              The cellar is full of past harvest. Probably 150-200 kg, would sell 6-8 buckets to someone, soon a new one will go. The pulp is yellow, it’s good to cook and fry.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 6 July 2016 13: 17
                +3
                Quote: Altona
                would sell to whom buckets 6-8

                Advertising? wink I just have a bucket left, next week we’ll start digging young. hi
                1. Altona
                  Altona 6 July 2016 16: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Advertising?

                  --------------
                  In Russia, two regions professionally grow potatoes-Tambov and Chuvashia, and do not particularly need advertising. Previously, three sites were cultivated and sold 20-30 buckets. You won’t get rich on potatoes. Hell of labor. laughing
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 6 July 2016 19: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: Altona
                    Tambov and Chuvashia

                    Mordovian potatoes? And getting rich - yes, it’s complicated, the work is hellish. We have farmers in the village of Lunacharsky planted, but imported seeds. Harvest is good, but potatoes are like soap, and do not lie for a long time. So we try to plant ourselves. hi
                    1. Altona
                      Altona 6 July 2016 20: 23
                      +1
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Mordovian potatoes? And getting rich - yes, it’s complicated, the work is hellish.

                      -------------------
                      The best seeds are Perm potatoes. There tubers grow in the size of 4 fists. And the soil is the most suitable and the climate is for full vegetation. Loam, temperate climate for 90 days. hi
              2. arnulla
                arnulla 7 July 2016 09: 44
                0
                Did it ever occur to you that not everyone has the opportunity to grow "their own"? And not everyone has a cellar. So a very large number of Russians eat rubber. And this “rubber” is largely from Russian greenhouses. And far from cheap ...
          3. alllll
            alllll 13 August 2016 13: 05
            0
            Well duck go dig further than the beds, why should I know this?
        3. sgazeev
          sgazeev 6 July 2016 07: 41
          +3
          Quote: alllll
          And I am for those that will be cheaper to me personally. I'm from the bell tower to some farmers, I care about my wallet.

          Eat well with a set of periodic table. lol
      4. complete zero
        complete zero 6 July 2016 07: 32
        +4
        I agree (about the "tomato"), but alas and ah, it's not about vegetables (and even not about the Russians yearning for the beaches) ... the whole question is about the very possibility of a NATO split (at least in this region) ... Turkey has an obvious conflict with the West ... and (you must admit) it's a sin not to use it
      5. kapitan281271
        kapitan281271 6 July 2016 09: 08
        +17
        You know, there is no import substitution, this term and the concept itself, as I understand it, should lead to the production of competitive products, so that in the future our great industry ministers like Denis Manturov can use tongues, let RUSSIA get off the notorious oil needle, but the above geniuses, or rather mediocre people have built the work so that in the Caucasus cucumbers are more expensive than chicken, and so everywhere in any industry, and how do we start making high-value-added products instead of oil, and I’ll tell you, there’s nothing to do with these IDIOTs not import substitution, but profanity and pharisaism. As long as the GDP doesn’t give any kind of Manturov’s, Dvorkovich’s, Ulyukaev’s and so on, and instead of them, he will not put any sense into x * er in every ministry.
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 6 July 2016 11: 55
          +2
          Of all those listed, Dvorkovich personally infuriates me most of all. Erysipelas are always happy, as if everything is fine, but we then see how everything really is.
          1. Altona
            Altona 6 July 2016 12: 19
            +1
            Quote: samoletil18
            Of all those listed, Dvorkovich personally infuriates me most of all. Erysipelas are always happy, as if everything is fine, but we then see how everything really is.

            --------------
            He didn’t just learn anything, he’s sitting there in a doom like someone’s relative.
        2. epsilon571
          epsilon571 6 July 2016 13: 01
          +16
          I wrote about this the other day, just as always the patriots cheated. Recently, I am very disappointed in the policy of Mr. Putin, as you understand first of all in the domestic one. Just look at the chronicle of recent events, and not a very bright picture opens up. These gentlemen are clearly snickering, they are all interested only in personal allocations, and everything else is only in words. The country is heading for a demographic abyss, the new laws are not only not helping, they are designed for another robbery of the population. Here's an example of a new cadastral code according to which the streets of the earth with plywood are seen as a palace, forcing people to pay exorbitant tax, the same with the housing and communal services. As for food, nobody really checks their quality, this makes it possible for businessmen to make money on our health. It is unprofitable for Putin’s government to develop his food industry; everything has been left to Western companies with huge turnovers, so the domestic producer cannot compete with them. There are no cheap loans, and you can’t get into the markets without kickbacks. Not everything is going smoothly in the military branch either, but you understand corruption that happened in the Baltic region worthy of a separate discussion. Again, forests burn, children die, large families can not get the promised housing. In short, we have everything for the benefit of the people, even the budget, which will be significantly reduced. I’m not talking about medicine, affordable drugs, and social pension. Doping scandals, thieves football players, you can continue to list indefinitely, this is a picture of our country. The official press especially touches me - both sad and funny. I’m writing from the phone, and therefore I’m curling up, and I’m tired of already talking about all this, I would have to get my pension on time, although it’s cheap, but without it I can’t. All the best!
          1. kapitan281271
            kapitan281271 6 July 2016 16: 07
            +1
            It’s a paradox, but these and their own pockets are not able to THINK CORRECTLY, because if these mediocrity were able to notice normally I don’t write well, or great, I write normally to build work and at least have some kind of competence to develop the economy, they would be throttled into dozens of times more, but these people are so mediocre ........ as they say do not steal do not guard!
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 6 July 2016 20: 49
              0
              Quote: kapitan281271
              but these people are so mediocre ........ as they say do not steal do not guard!

              Eternal two troubles? smile
          2. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 6 July 2016 18: 41
            0
            Quote: epsilon571
            Just look at the chronicle of recent events, and opens not really rainbow picture.

            it is necessary to write "not very ..." and further in the text. hi
        3. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 6 July 2016 18: 39
          +1
          again: "The tsar is good !, but the boyars are bad !!!" but what about the statement of the brightest: ... I am generally satisfied with the work of the government ...?
          1. kapitan281271
            kapitan281271 7 July 2016 08: 40
            -1
            And what should he say "men, forgive me for God's sake, they are of course debi * ly, but I am not able to find others" of course they sit, and they hide behind his authority, but sooner or later it will play a cruel joke with him, although I still it's not funny, I believe in him and that sooner or later he will get tired of it and he will blow this shobla at * childbirth to his mother's mother, GDP strategist, but tactically he is weak, he talks about macroeconomics all the time forgetting that microeconomics still exists. As an example, the control of financial flows is paradoxical, but he practically succeeded, but the trouble is that this is only a few percent of managerial art, and now everything is thrown to the detriment of many other factors for this, and most importantly, as always in RUSSIA, everything takes extreme forms and how the control of these very fin flows is built brings colossal harm, why, well, this is a topic for a whole article. drinks
        4. complete zero
          complete zero 7 July 2016 12: 57
          0
          so then IT (to give to everyone there, etc.) ... but is it difficult to implement something?))) .. but in general everything is complicated (in reality)))))
      6. alicante11
        alicante11 6 July 2016 12: 36
        +1
        I hate "our" retailers who will now close their shelves for our producers to please Turkish vegetables and fruits ..


        And you do not buy, then retailers will not take. Vegetables fruits are not bread without them you can hold out for some time.
      7. Rus2012
        Rus2012 6 July 2016 13: 34
        0
        Quote: dmi.pris
        Hate

        Quote: Author Roman Skomorokhov
        Let me explain: trusting Erdogan as before is stupid. But to follow the path of further confrontation is also not the smartest move. The truth is always somewhere in between, but I hope that Putin has everything in order to have the truth.


        /// from the very beginning of the information about the acceptance of "Erdogan's apologies" - he wrote that this is a positive thing at the beginning of the normalization of relations with Turkey, at the same time, one should always remember the Old Church Slavonic - "the Ottomans understand only the language of the stick" ...

        Let them be "in our cage" and under gaze ...
      8. russkiy redut
        russkiy redut 6 July 2016 14: 10
        0
        These retailers are all crooks. Especially Auchan established by Western capital.
        1. arnulla
          arnulla 7 July 2016 09: 54
          +1
          And our networks are not crooks?))) As for Auchan, the prices there are lower, the choice is wider. At cashiers they do not save, with a large influx of customers, they quickly open additional cash desks. What I do not observe in our networks. And yet, in Auchan, I’m working cashiers take deaf-mute girls and women !!! For what this network is deeply grateful. Someone in our retailers saw something like that? Therefore, first of all, you need to ask from our ...
      9. Thomas 1989
        Thomas 1989 7 July 2016 17: 44
        0
        I do not know if it is necessary to buy tomatoes from the Turks, but I will note the greed of our producers. This is where you have seen tomatoes for FIVE EURO ??? !!! instead of saturating the market, they began to cook to the fullest! in Europe in a supermarket tomatoes from one euro per kg. No enemies produce buckwheat, only our native producers, peasants with bare bottoms as before, and we pay someone "dear" from two dollars per kg. Moreover, the volatility of buckwheat, yes, the dolar envies ...
      10. ARES623
        ARES623 8 July 2016 09: 05
        0
        Quote: dmi.pris
        I hate "our" retailers who will now close their shelves for our producers to please Turkish vegetables and fruits ..

        Today, retail chains, even in quotation marks, are not ours.
        Here is a list of such networks:
        1. Auchan (France),
        2. "OK" (Luxembourg),
        3. Pyaterochka (Netherlands),
        4. “Crossroads” (Netherlands),
        5. Carousel (Netherlands),
        6. MetroCash & Carry (Germany),
        7. The Tape (British Virgin Islands),
        8. Globus (Cyprus),
        9. “Bill” (Austria),
        10. “Zelgros” (Germany),
        11. Leroy Merlin (France),
        12. “Magnet” (Cyprus offshore Lavreno Ltd.),
        13. “Kopeyka” (Netherlands),
        14. “We” (Netherlands),
        15. “Mercado supercenter” (Netherlands),
        16. "Basket" (Netherlands ",
        17. Paterson (Netherlands),
        18. “People's” (Netherlands),
        19. “Simbirka” (Netherlands),
        20. “Food” (Netherlands),
        21. “Fair” (Netherlands),
        22. “Three” (Netherlands),
        23. “Family” (Netherlands),
        24. “Thrifty family” (Netherlands),
        25. “World of products” (Netherlands),
        26. A5 (Netherlands),
        27. Spar (Netherlands),
        28. “Supermarket” (Netherlands),
        29. "Tamerlane" (Netherlands),
        30. "Buying" (Netherlands).
        Well, and who on this list is even indirectly interested in import substitution? Entrepreneurship, especially successful, is never patriotic, it is always cosmopolitan, without a homeland and a flag.
        And a significant mass of the population, for the sake of their stomachs, is ready to spit on state interests, although these interests become state ones when they directly protect us, specific people. And now some "Russians" are sitting in the kitchens, talking about high matters, cursing overweight players, and the government, which "frankly does not care about many aspects of our own being," and which, in our opinion, should come out in full force and clean up for us that that we were stuck. And then, at an opportunity, rush to the "enemy", raise his economy with his money, and at the same time cry as our level of service we create does not correspond to our desires. Really, in the head not only is it necessary ...
    2. Altona
      Altona 6 July 2016 07: 03
      +9
      Quote: Passer
      I can not stand the Turks, but in this situation I always believed that a thin world is better than a good war.

      -----------------------
      I hate them now, but I don’t remember anyone calling them to bomb. They wrote that, hypothetically, it was possible to "widen the strait" on the advice of Andrei Gromyko, or to cover Diyarbakir and Inzhirlik with strikes, where NATO bases are located. But I don't remember doing that. This was considered in the case of the application of paragraph 5 of the NATO Charter, that is, in general in theory. Obama all the more told Erdogan that his problems with Putin are his own, and not NATO. And everything in general calmed down. Well, we have every right to express indignation at Erdogan.
    3. Shick
      Shick 6 July 2016 07: 19
      +23
      It's funny to watch after all how people were yelling quite recently not so long ago about the Turks of the damned, a knife in the back, etc., etc. and then rushed to Turkey) that's all patriotism, remained on the couch.
      And where was the super response to the Turks? it turns out that the pilot died in vain?

      selfish interest above all, everyone thinks about his w ...
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 6 July 2016 07: 31
        +18
        Selfish - not selfish, but I can say from personal experience: in the early 90s, Sochi simply would not have survived without Turkey. When the state farms "Primorsky" and "Russia" were ditched, as well as poultry farms (the land, of course, was sold for building), then it became clear that, in fact, there was nothing to eat in the resort town, there was nothing to dress in. That's when the shuttles flooded, ferries started, etc. etc. The quality of the products was not bad, the prices were reasonable. It was then that China became a priority, closer to the end of the 90s, and before that, Turkish consumer goods and household chemicals had no equal. And even now a lot of people there are tied to trade with Turkey. In any case, it is better to trade than to fight. hi
      2. ICT
        ICT 6 July 2016 07: 32
        +20
        Quote: Shick
        it turns out that the pilot died in vain?

        and the marine (I don’t remember the name unfortunately) they died precisely from a knife in the back, and not from the fighting for which they were preparing,
        but I didn’t notice a response from our leadership to the act of state terrorism, which is somehow sad, but again in the article about a multi-way
        1. Winnie76
          Winnie76 6 July 2016 08: 40
          -5
          Quote: TIT
          but I didn’t notice a response from our leadership to the act of state terrorism, which is somehow sad, but again in the article about a multi-way

          And what answer would you like to notice? Nuclear fungus over Istanbul? The ruins of Antalya?
          1. ICT
            ICT 6 July 2016 08: 53
            +7
            Quote: Winnie76
            And what answer would you like to notice

            I did not see a logical continuation, the speech of a male politician,

            the simplest thing is simply not to have any personal meetings and relationships with Erdoggan,
            To settle relations with Russia, the Shah sent his grandson Khozrev-Mirza to St. Petersburg. His task was to make an apology for the murder of the ambassador and ease the burden of indemnity [10]. Among the rich gifts presented to them by the Russian emperor Nicholas I was the famous diamond “Shah”. Ultimately, the massacre did not cause serious complications in relations between Russia and Persia, and the payment of kururs was postponed for five years [1] [10].

            Nicholas I - Khozrev-Mirze, having accepted the diamond: “I betray the unfortunate Tehran incident.


            like everything is clear, times go by without changing anything,

            DIAMOND show
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 6 July 2016 12: 54
              +7
              I did not see a logical continuation, the speech of a male politician,


              A man and a politician are two different forms. And sometimes not at all compatible. Well, a statesman cannot build his state’s policy on grievances. In politics, you have to talk even with your blood enemies, if it is profitable. But I don’t understand our people. Neither the owners of the tourist industry, who tear three skins from their fellow citizens for any service and push them to rest in Turkey, nor the citizens who are completely deprived of pride.
          2. Mareman Vasilich
            Mareman Vasilich 6 July 2016 09: 24
            +33
            The answer would be such that we would have everything our own. You look at the comments. People already at a subconscious level assumed that without import we have complete fraud - and they are right. For a quarter of a century, everything has been pissed off to such an extent that without import we can just die. There is no food security - agriculture is in ruins. There is no economic security - neither money nor an economic idea belongs to us. There is no industrial safety - industry is in ruins; over a quarter century after the collapse of the USSR, more than 70 thousand enterprises were destroyed, ranging from small dairies to giants such as the Volgograd Tractor Plant. And finally, military security, unfortunately, is not there either. The amount of equipment entering the troops causes laughter through tears, and the Soviet legacy is slowly becoming unusable. Tell me the nuclear shield? To some extent, I agree, but for the use of nuclear weapons, not only the nuclear weapons themselves, but also the will and courage to use them are necessary. And just with courage and the will of our government there are big problems. Therefore, dear friends, and the author in particular, patriotism is not implanted, patriotism in people must be educated. And in order to educate something in people, they need to be taken care of - not milked. So we bowed to Turkey (renewed relations), and we bowed to Finland (Mannerheim’s board) - not because of the opposition to anyone, but because there is nowhere to go. Everywhere you throw a wedge. Everything rests on domestic politics. Without an independent economy, industry, agriculture - there is no and cannot be an independent foreign policy.
            1. Al_oriso
              Al_oriso 6 July 2016 10: 19
              +8
              Exactly so - it locked both Turkey and Russia. The author’s arguments are far-fetched. Straits, NATO ... No NATO will dare to open military action against a strong Russia. We must begin to respect ourselves, then the whole world will respect us, and not trample the Russian flags, as did the English football fans.
            2. soaring
              soaring 6 July 2016 10: 35
              +16
              Mareman Vasilich, I completely agree with you! What is happening in the country is simply awful. I live in the outback. Prosperous collective farms with villages and villages, with people who lived and worked beautifully, disappeared into oblivion ... The fields on which we worked at the beginning of the school season (so many positive memories) are overgrown with young forests and bushes - now people are picking mushrooms there. ... Young people leave for cities, because there is no prospect here. And the words LADY, "there is no money, but you will be patient," as it does not instill confidence in the future. Some promises ... And of course "Magnets" and "Pyaterochki" ... In our small town there are already 2 Pyaterochki and a Magnet! People from the village are going to shop in these markets !!! Buy milk and butter and other "food" that they used to grow and make themselves. Until there is a strong village, there will be no middle class, no cheap products, no products of their own to feed the people, most of it, for which there is "NO MONEY" .... I think our government should more often take their seats from their chairs and eyes from tablets - often appear in public and in places where they may not be expected, i.e. without warning, like Shoigu! ))) Then the visual information will be more accurate than the transmitted numbers on the iPhone, which none of those in power will check anyway. I apologize for the verbosity - it burned !!!!
              1. Altona
                Altona 6 July 2016 12: 14
                +3
                Quote: soaring
                In our small town there are already 2 Pyaterochki and Magnet! People from the village go to shop in these markets !!! Buy milk and butter and other "food" that they used to grow and make themselves. Until there is a strong village, there will be no middle class, no cheap products, no products of their own to feed the people, most of it, for which there is "NO MONEY" .... I think our government should more often take their seats from their chairs and eyes from tablets - often appear in public and in places where they may not be expected, i.e. without warning, like Shoigu! )))

                -----------------------
                You’re painting from my city. One to one, did not miss anything in the details.
            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 6 July 2016 10: 38
              -9
              In agriculture, everything is fine with us and industry is also normal - we produce everything from pins to reactors, satellites and rocket engines.
              1. Mareman Vasilich
                Mareman Vasilich 6 July 2016 11: 09
                +5
                And the ass is from somewhere in the country, with Turkish fruits and vegetables, and with Chinese pins?
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 6 July 2016 13: 12
                  -1
                  All this is the tale of those who previously made money on the import of these products.
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 6 July 2016 13: 24
                +2
                Quote: Vadim237
                In agriculture, everything is fine with us and industry is also normal

                Black humor?
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 6 July 2016 16: 38
                  +1
                  There is no black humor - this is true.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 6 July 2016 19: 45
                    0
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    There is no black humor - this is true.

                    Have you been out of town for a long time? Are you related to agriculture?
                    And tell me which industry is normal with us? With a car (I live in Tolyatti) wink Unless with mining, and with the military-industrial complex the last 2-3 years.
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 6 July 2016 19: 55
                      0
                      With metallurgical and manufacturing, and my own production is located in the Volgograd region.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 6 July 2016 21: 23
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        With metallurgical and manufacturing

                        And if you compare the metallurgical and manufacturing industries with 1985?
                        And you cannot lift a country on heavy industry alone. The rest is weak.
                      2. Mareman Vasilich
                        Mareman Vasilich 7 July 2016 09: 35
                        +2
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        With metallurgical and manufacturing, and my own production is located in the Volgograd region.

                        Is your candle factory the country's industry? Young man, since the collapse of the USSR, about 78 thousand enterprises were destroyed. On, study.

                        http://khazin.ru/khs/2149364/thread_t?BASE=THREAD&PAGE_NUMBER=1&SORTD=PUBLISHED
                      3. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 7 July 2016 10: 27
                        0
                        Actually, I have there a repair base for drilling equipment, construction equipment and production - 22 CNC machining centers produce parts of any complexity to order - from small parties to huge ones, last year 140 thousand plain bearings were produced. 78000 enterprises were destroyed - but not at all - some of them died due to their redundancy, they were designed for a planned economy, and in the market they were simply not effective, in 15 years they opened about 30000 factories and plants in Russia, some were created on the basis of old of production, part of them opened at a new place and their working criteria - minimum costs, maximum efficiency.
                      4. Mareman Vasilich
                        Mareman Vasilich 7 July 2016 11: 21
                        +5
                        So why do we have dominance of imports? Why do we have neither food, nor economic, nor industrial security? Why do we have ships built for 3-5 years, do we release aircraft with tanks piece by piece? By efficiency do you mean more money?
                      5. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 7 July 2016 19: 30
                        0
                        What do you mean by food and industrial safety - Russia has a common market with the whole world, everyone is trading with each other, we no longer have any kind of import dominance, most of the goods that are sold are now sold under a foreign brand in Russia itself, how it is profitable, By efficiency I mean lower production costs, less loss of materials and energy, greater productivity - all strive for this.
                      6. Mareman Vasilich
                        Mareman Vasilich 8 July 2016 09: 04
                        0
                        Sit down, two. There is no point in explaining further. A naive young man believes in a fairy tale about a French bun and that abroad will help us.
                      7. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 7 July 2016 10: 45
                        0
                        To listen to these by reference, so everything is ruined in our country, neither of which we have nor what we are doing - but we are doing and are developing.
                    2. Bayonet
                      Bayonet 6 July 2016 20: 58
                      0
                      Quote: Ingvar 72

                      Have you been out of town for a long time? Are you related to agriculture?

                      In our region, the fields are not empty, people are working.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 6 July 2016 21: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Bayonet
                        In our region, the fields are not empty, people are working.

                        We are also not empty, but the people work for a penny, and grain mainly goes abroad. The price of feed wheat has doubled since 2014, and the salaries of machine operators are the same. Goryuchka from 2 to 2014 almost did not grow. Where is the money, Zin? wink
              3. goblin xnumx
                goblin xnumx 6 July 2016 14: 15
                +3
                advise me what domestic brand of tv to buy- and punch nada new- advise? - not even a reactor- drill almost a current with a blow: (...
                1. Tsoy
                  Tsoy 6 July 2016 15: 13
                  +3

                  advise me what domestic brand of tv to buy- and punch nada new- advise? - not even a reactor- drill almost a current with a blow: (...


                  The TV is ruby ​​and horizon, the filling is China, but the assembly is in the Russian Federation. About power tools. I do not advise you to buy a hammer drill, it is better to punch right away. Let the power be redundant, but then you will not need to run if strong concrete gets caught. Buy interskol p-26. This is the Bosch clone of the 2-26, the most popular model. The design is identical on 100%. Even the cogs fit. In the gray case, the production of the Bykovsky tool factory, in black assembly in China. All items are produced most faithfully in China, but among all that is on the market of the Russian Interskol is the most normal. There is still Kraton. But this is one hundred percent China. True, they have a good grade for one model. With quick-release chuck, drill set, and additional chuck for regular drills. There is still Diold from Smolensk, this is a real national producer, since the times of the USSR. The design is original, which means it is almost non-repairable. Only original spare parts. From domestic still the Expert is not bad. The price tag is relatively high, but circular saws they just fly away.
                  1. Bayonet
                    Bayonet 6 July 2016 16: 00
                    +2
                    Quote: Choi
                    The TV has a ruby ​​and a horizon, filling China, but the assembly in the Russian Federation

                    Better "Samsung" - Kaluga collects.
                    Quote: Choi
                    Interskol is the most normal.

                    There is a market next to me, there are often sellers already have acquaintances. So, Interskol used to be normal, but now it’s complete - it’s full of complaints, sellers don’t buy, because who needs these disassemblies? And so - your business. hi
                    1. Tsoy
                      Tsoy 6 July 2016 16: 45
                      +1
                      Quote: Bayonet
                      Interskol used to be normal


                      Hyh ... man asked for domestic ... I only buy AEG and Hilti laughing
                  2. garnik64
                    garnik64 6 July 2016 20: 32
                    +1
                    +. I respect the artisans. I have almost all the tools on the carpentry.
                  3. arnulla
                    arnulla 7 July 2016 10: 01
                    0
                    Interskol bullshit. Money thrown into the wind. Or now I just have to buy interskol out of a sense of patriotism, and then, when it is covered, should I spend the money on a normal tool? Or maybe call for the patriotism of our manufacturers in the first place? !!
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 6 July 2016 16: 47
                  -1
                  Perforator Bison - one of the best domestic offers.
                  1. Tsoy
                    Tsoy 6 July 2016 17: 03
                    0
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    Puncher Bison


                    Well, I do not know ... I worked in a service center and saw them a lot. He did not repair himself, but the masters called him a piece of * ram. True, managers even in regional offices are very adequate, and parts under warranty were sent quickly. Maintainability is high, low (relatively) price, quality is below average.

                    And so there is nothing outstanding in the bison, as for me. The usual budget tool, if the house is generally quite normal.
                  2. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 6 July 2016 19: 42
                    +3
                    ALL INSTRUMENTS.RU
                    Bison ZPM-40-1100 EK
                    Russia is the birthplace of the brand
                    China - Country of Manufacturer
                    What are we proud of?
                    1. Bayonet
                      Bayonet 6 July 2016 20: 02
                      +3
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Russia is the birthplace of the brand
                      China - Country of Manufacturer

                      - All contraband is done in Odessa, on Malaya Arnautskaya Street ... - Ostap remarked, reading the inscription on the bottle "
                      Taki it was before! yes And now everything "domestic" is made in China! hi
                3. bk316
                  bk316 6 July 2016 19: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: Leshy74
                  new nada punch - advise?

                  Already advised. One time is not enough? Buy Interskol.
                  1. Bayonet
                    Bayonet 6 July 2016 21: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: bk316
                    Buy Interskol.

                    Interskol Crown Group, Jinhua, China (angle grinders, drills, planers, saws)
                    Shanghai Interskol Manufacturing Ltd., Shanghai, China (cordless drills and screwdrivers.
            4. Petr petrov
              Petr petrov 6 July 2016 11: 46
              +2
              All true.
              Experts on the internet (they don’t show on TV) say:
              - If you remove GMO products, soybeans, palm oil ............. then there will be hunger !!!!!
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 6 July 2016 13: 17
                -6
                In Russia, GMO products are banned and we do not grow such products, and even less do they supply them - we have these Internet "experts" rubbing any bullshit - a dime a dozen.
                1. goblin xnumx
                  goblin xnumx 6 July 2016 14: 13
                  +5
                  and we also banned the sale of singe vodka and drink and smoke in public places nizya and corruption in government and law enforcement is prohibited ...
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 6 July 2016 16: 37
                    0
                    For all the time that I bought products and gave for examination a single product with GMOs was not found - for three years in Moscow, in Volgograd.
                  2. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 6 July 2016 16: 57
                    0
                    "Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a law prohibiting the distribution of animals and plants grown using genetically modified technologies in Russia.

                    Only the scientific field of activity did not fall under the restriction, within the framework of which the study of organisms and cultures created using genetic engineering is allowed.
                    The law restricts imports of GMO products into the country. Each type of product must undergo appropriate testing, which will show the impact of the samples on the human body and the state of nature. In case of any fundamental deviations from the norm, the import of such goods in the Russian Federation will be prohibited.

                    Each of the suppliers of this kind of goods must be registered. Putin is in favor of limiting GMO products, as he believes that the health of the nation is a priority. "
            5. goblin xnumx
              goblin xnumx 6 July 2016 14: 10
              -1
              hundred times right
              1. goblin xnumx
                goblin xnumx 6 July 2016 22: 12
                +1
                actually I wrote to Maremman that he was right - on him- Mareman Vasilich (2) SU Today, 09:24 ↑
                The answer would be such that we would have everything our own. You look at the comments. People already at a subconscious level assumed that without import we have complete fraud - and they are right. For a quarter of a century, everything was crap up to - and where the comment stuck on the site, I don’t know:) - Vasilich- again, you are right for 100
        2. Aleksander
          Aleksander 6 July 2016 08: 44
          +18
          Quote: TIT
          а response from our management I didn’t notice the act of state terrorism, it’s somehow sad and in the article again about the multi-way


          There is an answer, but what .... On November 28, 2015, the "Decree on Measures to Ensure the National Security of Russia and protecting Russian citizens from criminal and other unlawful acts and the use of special economic measures against Turkey. ”That is, concern was shown for the safety of Russians.
          And now, just six months later, the terrible terrorist attacks in Turkey, the massacres in Kurdistan, the day after the wild terrorist attack at Ankara Airport Putin .... cancels security concernand Ross tourists, allowing them to fly to places where normal countries do not recommend flying to their citizens.
          It looks frankly cynical: where is the state’s concern for the safety of its citizens?
          Absolutely unpleasant is the fussiness and haste in saving the "partner's" economy at the expense of Russian tourists' money, not giving a damn about the losses incurred by the resorts of the Crimea and the Caucasus.
          And I emphasize once again: Putin and Russia for the downed plane Turkey ANY Apologies, only family that and stressed later.
          So much for the "knife in the back" and the condemnation of ISIS.
          And against the backdrop of the above, all these fussy lightweight cancellation-decrees look vile .....
          1. ICT
            ICT 6 July 2016 08: 55
            +6
            Quote: Aleksander
            look nasty ....

            sediment from spitting in the soul
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 6 July 2016 09: 27
            +3
            Quote: Aleksander
            And I emphasize once again: Turkey did not bring ANY APOLOGY to Putin and Russia for the downed plane, only to the family, which was emphasized later.
            So much for the "knife in the back" and the condemnation of ISIS.
            And against the backdrop of the above, all these fussy lightweight cancellation-decrees look vile .....

            this is understandable, just the author claims that
            The Russian bear showed the Turkish wolf that it could strangle him without the use of physical force.
            and this is the position of all the media today — which was supposedly shown to the Turks by Kuzkin’s mother, so they apologized and crawled — although it’s ridiculous from the outside, the whole world is probably laughing at us. It’s strange that the premiere of theirs, who had been dismissed a month ago, wasn’t dragged to the Russian threats
          3. Tsoy
            Tsoy 6 July 2016 13: 19
            +2
            Quote: Aleksander
            where normal countries do not recommend flying to its citizens.


            ......
          4. garnik64
            garnik64 6 July 2016 14: 00
            +5
            That's right. I repeat, Oleg Peshkov’s brother refused the handout. Putin’s circle was happy to receive this news. Apparently they arranged a rapprochement between the two historical enemies. And here again, business and nothing personal. I am very sorry that Russia (or rather managers) is stubbornly walking to disaster.
            Yesterday I listened to Satanovsky about the Akkuyu nuclear power plant in Turkey, which is being built with Russian money. All these months, Russia has kept all personnel, the imported equipment is taxed. I will not retell everything, but it is suicide. Why not build on such conditions in Greece, Serbia and finally in Armenia which almost all belongs to Russia.
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 6 July 2016 16: 38
              +2
              Quote: garnik64
              That's right. I repeat, Oleg Peshkov’s brother refused the handouts. Putin’s circle was happy to receive this news.

              Well, I don’t know, maybe they expected that they would accept, and then the story of the widows of Russian journalists who were killed with the participation of Savchenko would be repeated. One of them has just been appointed judge of the Supreme Court. fellow And then brother showed principle, not in the forwarding of the current course
              Yekaterina Kornelyuk, widow of VGTRK journalist Yevgeny Kornelyuk, whose murder Nadezhda Savchenko was charged with, was appointed judge of the Supreme Court. She will join the board of the court on economic disputes
      3. Samarin
        Samarin 6 July 2016 07: 53
        +6
        Quote: Shick
        people shouted not so long ago about the Turks of the damned, a knife in the back, etc., etc. and immediately rushed to Turkey

        Those who shouted stayed on the sofas.
      4. 73bor
        73bor 6 July 2016 08: 52
        +2
        And look who said, and when did Turkish resorts become popular again? The tourist companies themselves threw this info (business is business), but the fact is that the Turkish coast was attractive precisely because of the presence of chatrers, now there are none and it is unlikely to be (high season) and without them it makes sense to travel to Turkey below average (bombs)!
        1. Stas57
          Stas57 6 July 2016 12: 11
          +2
          Quote: 73bor
          the Turkish coast was attractive precisely because of the presence of chatrers,

          for olinclusiveness, for free drinks and gorging, some of the hotel and the pool did not crawl out and did not see the sea.
          Do it in the Crimea and the people will fill up all the beaches
      5. Big giraffe
        Big giraffe 6 July 2016 22: 35
        0
        Not at all. The one who claimed a knife in the back still claims the same. And those comrades who are eager to go to Turkey, who initially from the moment the border was closed, were eager to go there and did not shout about any patriotism.
    4. sgazeev
      sgazeev 6 July 2016 07: 37
      +9
      For our dear little ones. Istanbul prosecutors arrested 17 people and charged them with involvement in the terrorist attack at Ataturk Airport, including 11 Russian citizens and 6 Turkish citizens. They will not understand where the Russians are from, from the Caucasus or Siberia or the central regions, Turks on the drum. Pofigists once again measure seven times. fool
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 6 July 2016 08: 13
      +1
      Article plus. Russian resort owners had a unique opportunity to block off Turkish beaches and seize the tourist market. No, no! The prices were overwhelming, out of greed, of course. As for the resumption of relations with Turkey, then my grandmother said in two. The whole trick is that now Putin will keep Erdogan in check for a while. And a lot is connected with this in relations with the EU, Ukraine, Georgia and the United States, as well. If Turkey stops "feeding" IS and redraws the border with Syria, radical changes will begin throughout the BB.
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 6 July 2016 18: 53
        +1
        and do you believe that? what me not! negative
    6. volot-voin
      volot-voin 6 July 2016 09: 11
      +1
      Quote: Passer
      I hate the Turks, but in this situation I always believed that a bad world is better than a good war

      Turks are an ordinary Mediterranean people, Turkic language group. Historically geopolitical competitor of Russia in the region. The fact that someone can not stand them, the Turks neither warm nor cold. They put on our opinion. But with whom Turkey will go further in the economic and political conjunction, with Russia and the USA, or try to choose its strategy, diplomatic battles are being waged for that. World-class bargaining, where the same Crimea rates (its recognition) for example.
    7. Pavel1
      Pavel1 6 July 2016 09: 21
      +9
      And today we can’t live in isolation


      Well, if Skomorokhov can’t live without Turkish tomatoes and antalya, then you can even live for others, we have a rest where there are cheaper tomatoes, and there is still contempt for the country, which knocks down our planes, and then asks for friends ...
    8. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 6 July 2016 10: 12
      +3
      Well, if a bad world, where they wipe our feet, spit in our faces, do not consider people and do everything to prevent us from being, what can I say? God will meet you. Wipe yourself further, the main thing is that the suit should sit and grannies will fall into the shovel.
      1. Al1977
        Al1977 6 July 2016 11: 48
        0
        Quote: Tambov Wolf
        Well, if a bad world, where they wipe our feet, spit in our faces, do not consider people and do everything to prevent us from being, what can I say? God will meet you. Wipe yourself further, the main thing is that the suit should sit and grannies will fall into the shovel.

        Suggestions? General mobilization and war with NATO? The United States also spit in our hearts, is it necessary to fight with them first of all? I'm right?
        1. Tambov Wolf
          Tambov Wolf 7 July 2016 10: 50
          +1
          Yes, mobilizing the economy, not working for the Fed, strengthening and quickly re-equipping the army and navy, not cutting the military budget, giving money to private banks and money speculators, changing the comprador government to a patriotic one, driving out enemy mouthpieces such as the Air Force and the Voice of America, still working on the territory of the country, the prohibition of any NGOs, the closure of all sects and religions that appeared at the suggestion of enemy countries (except for the traditional religions of Russia). Yes, a lot more can be written, but all this must be done by our government, elected by us. This can be read even on the website of our guarantor. But only the "chosen ones" did not care about it. And war is certainly evil, but ... time, some countries were so overwhelmed without war that even peoples with less development and strength crushed such on the spot. Read the history. Our ancestors have always fought and always won. Therefore, if we do not want to fight with the whole people, then our Armed Forces must always lead at least a virtual war with heavy teachings. Suvorov was right.
    9. Petr petrov
      Petr petrov 6 July 2016 11: 42
      +1
      I would say to our rulers:
      - Well, if you don’t know how to fart in water ..... don’t scare the fish !!!!!!!!!
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    11. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK 7 July 2016 02: 25
      0
      We are like water off a duck, but I’m not Vasin who agrees on everything! Article is a minus.
    12. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK 7 July 2016 02: 48
      0
      Footballers also spit without hesitation. Something must change! IMHO.
    13. Pasha
      Pasha 7 July 2016 13: 10
      0
      This is the influence of big business on our explosives.
      When a military plane was shot down, he forbade civilians to travel to Turkey. This is his decision!
      When the civilian airport was blown up, it allows civilians to rest in Turkey again! What is it like? His?
      thin policy line is torn
      Regarding the love of the Turks. So they are exactly the same with the Russians.
      That's just why the Russians are so drawn to vacation in the Muslim countries of the region?
  2. Wolka
    Wolka 6 July 2016 06: 02
    +13
    no demagogy, everything is simpler, Russia and the national treasure in the form of Gazprom definitely need a southern branch of the supply of gas and oil to Europe, in short, the strategy justifies the means ...
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 6 July 2016 06: 13
      +5
      Budget pancake, pensions, military-industrial complex.
      Let's not crush Europe with cheap gas, the US will crush with liquefied gas, along with us along with the "national property".
      1. Altona
        Altona 6 July 2016 07: 20
        +2
        Quote: avva2012
        Let's not crush Europe with cheap gas, the US will crush with liquefied gas, along with us along with the "national property".

        ------------------------
        Liquefied gas from the United States is very expensive and of poor quality, and the United States will put pressure on Greece, Bulgaria and others in order to prevent the Russian pipeline from going to Europe. All sorts of tulips and nabuccas, but not the "south stream".
      2. ICT
        ICT 6 July 2016 07: 33
        +6
        Quote: avva2012
        Budget pancake, pensions, military-industrial complex.

        develop the economy, production ....., but .... weak
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 6 July 2016 09: 11
      -1
      Well, yes, he who cannot express his thoughts calls the rest demagogues. Everything is simple - this is with Sharikov! laughing
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 6 July 2016 09: 34
        +13
        Quote: siberalt
        Well, yes, he who cannot express his thoughts calls the rest demagogues. Everything is simple - this is with Sharikov! laughing
        Speaking of Sharikov fellow
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  3. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 6 July 2016 06: 05
    +1
    Regarding the Crimea, the Krasnodar Territory and DAMA, the author spoke out interestingly and absolutely realistically. hi
  4. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 6 July 2016 06: 09
    +16
    For half a year they said that Turkey's enemies, traitors, and in 2 days became almost the best. Yes, and people did not hear the word -Sorry- how else to think
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 6 July 2016 06: 19
      +43
      This is the problem of the Russian media. Too clumsy work. The same was with Savchenko. The flow of information, after a political turn, dramatically changes direction, or the appearance of nothing at all is being done.
      1. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 6 July 2016 10: 30
        +8
        Why only the media? If we equate this site with the media, then the same thing happens. It also fluctuates with the "general" line of the party (in this case, with the EP, because this party is now at the "helm"). And the owners and their staff need to eat something, yes and the kids want to eat. Here are the articles from here. You really enter into their position when there is no opinion. The owner pays, and the workers sing in his tune.
  5. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 6 July 2016 06: 13
    -6
    Very soon we will find out what Putin and Erdogan agreed on, if we know at all. We can only guess the consequences. It remains only to believe in our president. He has repeatedly justified this trust. Ratings in this case do not lie.
    1. Yuri from Volgograd
      Yuri from Volgograd 6 July 2016 07: 49
      +28
      Quote: Michael m
      Very soon we will find out what Putin and Erdogan agreed on, if we know at all. We can only guess the consequences. It remains only to believe in our president. He has repeatedly justified this trust. Ratings in this case do not lie.

      And my president completely lost confidence after rotten stories with a seagull, Serdyukov, Vasilyeva, etc.
      This is a fact, the guarantor was silent about all the embezzlers in a rag, he didn’t ask anyone.
      So I would be glad to believe in him, but how is this possible?
      And in Turkey, now there is not a single positive point, except for a hypothetical multi-passage, about which in fact there is not a word.
      1. Beefeater
        Beefeater 6 July 2016 08: 17
        .
        Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
        Quote: Michael m
        Very soon we will find out what Putin and Erdogan agreed on, if we know at all. We can only guess the consequences. It remains only to believe in our president. He has repeatedly justified this trust. Ratings in this case do not lie.

        And my president completely lost confidence after rotten stories with a seagull, Serdyukov, Vasilyeva, etc.
        This is a fact, the guarantor was silent about all the embezzlers in a rag, he didn’t ask anyone.
        So I would be glad to believe in him, but how is this possible?
        And in Turkey, now there is not a single positive point, except for a hypothetical multi-passage, about which in fact there is not a word.

        Turk plays a role in Syria and Europe.
        As for embezzlers, our army was revived under Serdyukov.
        And not with Shoigu, who came to everything ready.
        Serdyukov also knocked out food and uniforms for soldiers and salaries with apartments for officers.
        He was dumped by admiral generals, whom he pushed away from cuts. Those who are now Shoigu shuganul at the Baltic Fleet.
        1. Yuri from Volgograd
          Yuri from Volgograd 6 July 2016 18: 27
          +1
          Quote: Beefeater
          Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
          Quote: Michael m



          As for embezzlers, our army was revived under Serdyukov.
          And not with Shoigu, who came to everything ready.
          Serdyukov also knocked out food and uniforms for soldiers and salaries with apartments for officers.
          He was dumped by admiral generals, whom he pushed away from cuts. Those who are now Shoigu shuganul at the Baltic Fleet.

          Deeply dripped)
          Taburetkin did not do any revival of the army, it was not him.
          They made an RFP in the army with him, but it was a direct order to him from the GDP, it would be strange if he ruined it ...
          It was not the generals who knocked him down, but the embezzlement was stupid. It was probably the VVP that saved him, since it is unlikely that the justification of signatures on thieves' orders would be canceled from the naive excuse "oh, I was deceived" ...
          You are a criminal, you assent and excuse thieves. Because of you and people like you, Russia always lives by the principle of who can steal.
          Oh, Stalin is not, or at least Lukashenko, in general, any firm hand to restore order.
    2. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 6 July 2016 18: 57
      +4
      and let's stir up the poll on the forum "The rating of V. V. Putin and his government" is weak?
    3. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 6 July 2016 22: 17
      +1
      but the ratings just lie ...
  6. avva2012
    avva2012 6 July 2016 06: 18
    +4
    About the boycott of Turkish resorts, in my opinion is correct. Who is forcing? I do not like the service in our country, there is an alternative in the east. Vietnam, Thailand, China.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 July 2016 06: 39
      +4
      Quote: avva2012
      I do not like the service in our country, there is an alternative in the east. Vietnam, Thailand, China.

      And how much from Moscow to Thailand fly?
      1. udincev
        udincev 6 July 2016 08: 05
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And how much from Moscow to Thailand fly?

        Why is it necessary to "fly"?
        And on foot the same ...
        So it is politically and economically more profitable on the south coast of the native Kulobka ...
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 6 July 2016 08: 33
          +2
          Near Lake Baikal. Counted. 5 thousand rubles for two per day. Package Multiply by 12. Plus expenses on trifles. You can savage, but enough, as it were to put it mildly. Thailand is a little expensive.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 6 July 2016 09: 21
            +1
            Quote: avva2012
            . Thailand is a little expensive.

            It is possible on credit laughing
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 6 July 2016 10: 22
              +1
              Can. laughing Without laughter, it turns out a little more expensive (and if vodka is not counted, it is drunk a lot on Lake Baikal, then it’s cheaper). Alexander, but in general, the topic is interesting on the site laughing Someone has a holiday today! fellow Everything that is boiling in your soul can be “boldly” expressed. Didn't you think that all the Kasyanovites and the Navalnevites performed together with the growth party? laughing
      2. avva2012
        avva2012 6 July 2016 08: 05
        0
        Probably no more than from Belarus. laughing And Moscow does not end life in Russia.
    2. Bazilevs81
      Bazilevs81 6 July 2016 06: 46
      +1
      There the price is different !!!!
    3. rf xnumx
      rf xnumx 6 July 2016 07: 05
      +13
      About the boycott of Turkish resorts, in my opinion is correct. Who is forcing? I do not like the service in our country, there is an alternative in the east. Vietnam, Thailand, China.
      I would definitely not go there ...
    4. sgazeev
      sgazeev 6 July 2016 07: 52
      +10
      Quote: avva2012
      About the boycott of Turkish resorts, in my opinion is correct. Who is forcing? I do not like the service in our country, there is an alternative in the east. Vietnam, Thailand, China.

      Thailand, Thailand settled, the Volga is nearby, the Caspian, for exotics, the southern coast of the White Sea. recourse
      In the 90s I liked it.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 6 July 2016 08: 37
        0
        I have a friend, an avid tourist. Lena, Yenisei, mosquitoes, guitar. Once went to Thailand. Sea, elephants, mangoes, friendly Thais. Now on the guitar only in the country under the barbecue.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 6 July 2016 09: 19
          +2
          Quote: avva2012
          I have a friend, an avid tourist. Lena, Yenisei, mosquitoes, guitar. Once went to Thailand. Sea, elephants, mangoes, friendly Thais. Now on the guitar only in the country under the barbecue.

          In the taiga, you relax with your soul, and in Thailand with your body hi
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 6 July 2016 10: 41
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov In the taiga, you relax with your soul, and in Thailand with your body

            I rest at work with my soul. I still like my work. But occasionally, I want my body to rest too. winked
          2. bk316
            bk316 6 July 2016 19: 58
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            In the taiga, you relax with your soul, and in Thailand with your body

            And I am in the taiga and rest my soul and body.
            And on the beaches and both, I get tired.
            And in general I can’t stand the heat and warm vodka.

            3 weeks ago it was snowing on Kola
            last weekend, too, in the forest, but 30 degrees - almost died.
            1. Anglorussian
              Anglorussian 6 July 2016 21: 20
              0
              And in general I can’t stand the heat and warm vodka.
              I support. I can not stand this pseudo-exotics.
        2. Anglorussian
          Anglorussian 6 July 2016 09: 45
          +2
          friendly thais
          So far, you're a dollar bounty. And so the locals envy the black envy of the rich Europeans, and they don’t really like it.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 6 July 2016 10: 49
            0
            Quote: Anglorussian So far, you're a dollar bounty. And so the locals envy the black envy of the rich Europeans, and they don’t really like it.


            "Generous with dollars"? This is not about a Russian doctor. I would like to be more generous, but ...
            In my opinion, you need to be able to talk to people, even if you know two dozen words in English, and the person you are talking to does not even know that. wink
            And they hate goons who do not consider other people for people and look at everything only through the prism of money.
            And, yes, you probably did not forget that the Russians are not Europeans.
            1. Anglorussian
              Anglorussian 6 July 2016 21: 42
              0
              And, yes, you probably did not forget that the Russians are not Europeans.
              And why in Paris the metro station named after Stalingrad? And the boulevard named Normandy Neman? And the name of Gagarin? (all this is understood in Paris). And the memorial to Soviet troops in Budapest? And half of the exhibits in the military museum of Sao miguel (Azores). But this is a sideways (let's say). I once asked the Japanese (Tokyo) Russians are Europeans or Asians? The answer is Europeans right away! And she knows a lot about Asians. (By the way, your colleague). And it is precisely this unique view — Europe holding Asia — that is displayed by a double-headed eagle.
    5. arnulla
      arnulla 7 July 2016 10: 15
      -3
      Whether you like it or not, there is no alternative to Turkish resorts. Vietnam, Thailand, China? And how much will prices rise if you go from the west or central regions of Russia? The Black Sea coast of Russia or the Crimea? Again, the prices and level of service ... Even how lucky with the weather. You can spend some part of your vacation in the rain. And the Black Sea can not be compared with the Mediterranean. Therefore, dear forum users, you like it or not, but there are alternatives to Turkish resorts in terms of price and quality no. And patriotism is not patriotism, nothing to do with it
      1. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 7 July 2016 10: 18
        +1
        There are no alternatives to Turkish resorts in terms of price and quality.
        There is still Egypt and Tunisia are also killed there.
        1. arnulla
          arnulla 7 July 2016 11: 14
          +1
          I did not assess the terrorist threat in my post. Definitely, this threat in Turkey and Egypt is higher than in China or, for example, in Thailand. Here, without question
          1. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian 7 July 2016 13: 35
            0
            Turkey is not the cheapest resort - Portugal can argue for this title.
  7. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 6 July 2016 06: 24
    +2
    The head of state cannot make a decision with this, but we forget that a large team works here, namely, the Institute for the Middle East (politics, geopolitics) should not be forgotten. And once the decision was made, they weighed the pros and cons.
  8. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 6 July 2016 06: 28
    +10
    As for the resorts .. our bad government ... there is such a good song .. Migratory birds fly in the autumn distance blue
    They fly to hot countries
    I stay with you
    And I stay with you native country forever
    I do not need a Turkish coast
    And I don't need Africa
    I have seen a lot of countries
    Stepping with a rifle in hand
    But there was no greater sadness
    How to live away from you
    A lot of thoughts I changed my mind
    With friends in the far land
    But there was no more debt
    How to do your will
    Let me drown in the swamps
    Let me freeze on ice
    But if you tell me the word
    I'll go through it all again
    I bound my hopes and desires forever with you
    With your harsh and clear
    With your enviable fate
    Migratory birds fly past summer look
    They fly to hot countries
    And I do not want to fly away
    And I stay with you my dear side
    I do not need someone else's sun
    Foreign land is not needed
    I do not need someone else's sun
    Foreign land is not needed
    Patriotism .. pseudo-patriotism .... and I call it pride. Honor and self-respect do not allow me to relax and stuff my belly in Turkey. And why the author decided to justify these flyers ... like some children ... all adults. As for politics ... let politicians do this.
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 6 July 2016 06: 36
      +10
      Quote: Alexander S.
      The author decided to justify these migrants ...


      Even before the lifting of sanctions against Turkey, Antalya was in the first places to visit among tourists from the Russian Federation. This information Rostourism. We went through Belarus. All tour operators sold tours to Turkey. So even before a political decision, people simply spat on pride. It is sad.
  9. viktor.
    viktor. 6 July 2016 06: 30
    .
    I think Vladimir Vladimirovich knows what he is doing. and we don’t need to know everything. (less you know stronger write off) bully
    1. Schulz2
      Schulz2 6 July 2016 07: 26
      +17
      Quote: anna1980
      I think Vladimir Vladimirovich knows what he is doing. and we don’t need to know everything. (less you know stronger write off) bully




    2. Yuri from Volgograd
      Yuri from Volgograd 6 July 2016 07: 53
      +5
      Quote: anna1980
      I think Vladimir Vladimirovich knows what he is doing. and we don’t need to know everything. (less you know stronger write off) bully

      The song of Vysotsky was heard "The giraffe is great, he is the most famous."
      So in that song there is a clear moral on the topic.
    3. saltickov.
      saltickov. 6 July 2016 07: 54
      0
      you can wake up in another country.
  10. Alex_59
    Alex_59 6 July 2016 06: 42
    +6
    And that’s exactly what Putin is doing now. Attracts to its side all those who can.
    "whom only is possible" - is it Turkey and Syria chtol? Hmm ... Politicians have been crushing since the times of the father of nations. That's who attracted, so attracted. I placed flags in such a way that the strongest countries in the world, and in general 2/3 of the globe, inevitably became our allies. And if tomorrow is a war, then Turkey and us will be harnessed to the same team against a common enemy, as did the allies in WWII (reluctantly, out of hand, but still!)?
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 6 July 2016 19: 03
      +2
      Quote: Alex_59
      And if tomorrow is war, then Turkey will harness with us in one harness against a common enemy, as the allies in the WWII did (reluctantly, from under the stick, but still!)

      yeah! as zhezh! shchazzzzz! he’ll put current galoshes and .... a knife in the back! too, damn it, found soyuznichka!
  11. infantryman2020
    infantryman2020 6 July 2016 06: 44
    0
    Quote: anna1980
    I think Vladimir Vladimirovich knows what he is doing. and we don’t need to know everything. (less you know stronger write off) bully


    If you are guided by the principle "big giraffe .....", there is nothing, in general, to scratch the language on the forum. Sit in the kitchen and discuss politics with your wife.
    Or work out?
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 6 July 2016 07: 11
      0
      judging by nick she has a husband most likely...
    2. viktor.
      viktor. 6 July 2016 07: 52
      .
      Dear, I work on my own and for myself, and the fact that Putin puts all Russophobia, Eurogeans and the like cancer so be sure! and which of us in the language of Cheshit will show time.
      1. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 6 July 2016 10: 43
        +7
        respected anna1980, while kudrin, ulyukaev, siluans and nabiullins cancer the whole country with the approval of the guarantor. But the Turks, Americans and the gay people who joined them in cancerous condition are not yet visible. And you can’t get sick.
      2. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 6 July 2016 19: 05
        +1
        example in the studio !!!
        Quote: anna1980
        and the fact that Putin puts all Russophobia, Eurogeans and the like with cancer, so be sure!

        Something you can’t see the examples you cited! hi
  12. fa2998
    fa2998 6 July 2016 06: 46
    +27
    Quote: Passer
    And those who are now most outraged that "putinslit"

    Her time I appeal to the "right patriots" who shout on all websites - "Putin is right!" addressing the Russian people, CONVINCED of the right actions against Turkey, both in tourism, in the economy and in trade (and the people believed and supported). Literally every day ALL CHANNELS showed what Turks are bad, and the militants are treated and transported, and the stolen oil is transported, shelling Syria and Kurds and many others. And now, WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION, Russian-Turkish economic cooperation is again, and the way is open for tourists - we need to help Turkey!
    Or as in Vysotsky, “a big giraffe, he knows better!” All the same, we live in a DEMOCRATIC country (as the authorities say), so give this DEMOS explanations. All these undercover maneuvers are a little annoying! request what hi
    1. Zefr
      Zefr 6 July 2016 07: 53
      +7
      live in a democratic country
      Democracy is when every person has at least 2 slaves
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 6 July 2016 07: 54
      -2
      Quote: fa2998
      AS IN ONE DAY, "terrorists' accomplices" turned into cool boys.

      Firstly, not in one day, but on one fine day. Secondly, not in cool boys, but in pardoned and under supervision.
      The work was conducted a decent period meticulously, without shouting cheers. And voila. Erdogan signs and promises to wet the terrogyug according to our list
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 6 July 2016 19: 08
        +3
        Quote: Tusv
        The work was conducted a decent period meticulously, without shouting cheers.

        I wonder who and when? And the results are not visible. request
        Quote: Tusv
        And voila. Erdogan signs and promises to wet the terrogyug according to our list

        fresh tradition ... and do you believe that? maybe everything is much simpler? it’s just someone from the environment of the brightest business began to fade in the Turechchyna, and it is urgent to help out? it's more like the truth!
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 6 July 2016 21: 16
          0
          Quote: Victor Demchenko
          fresh tradition ... and do you believe that?

          Somehow no one believes Erdogan., Including me. On this and wrote about supervision
          Quote: Victor Demchenko
          it’s just someone from the environment of the brightest business began to fade in the Turechchyna, and it is urgent to help out? it's more like the truth!

          Doesn’t your answer fit in with my post on Mighty Work, without the cries of Ur? hi
    3. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 6 July 2016 09: 41
      +1
      Politics have no heart, but only a head (Bonaparte).
    4. ravend
      ravend 6 July 2016 12: 38
      -3
      there is such an option:
      Ours was shot down not by the Turks, but by the pen @ wasp, and that is why Erdogan ran to Brussels, to find out what it was?
      but all the bumps fell on Turkey, because recognize the act of aggression by the usa, this is the beginning of a hot war
      Our butts for a long time because of the Turks' retreat to Syria and the terrorists
      apparently agreed on something, and Erdogan apologized
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 6 July 2016 19: 10
        +2
        Quote: ravend
        and Erdogan apologized

        Interestingly, I missed something, and WHEN HE BROUGHT THEM (Sorry)? !!!
        something I don’t remember!
  13. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 6 July 2016 06: 56
    -7
    Absolutely correct article, everything is so.
  14. Titsen
    Titsen 6 July 2016 07: 03
    +4
    Article PLUS!

    But we must ALWAYS remember that Erdogan will NEVER forget the bombed fuel trucks and lost profits.
  15. Lightpower
    Lightpower 6 July 2016 07: 06
    +20
    Not ours. The Russian bear showed the Turkish wolf that it could strangle him without the use of physical force.


    When most of the article the author urges readers to face the truth and accept that Russia cannot afford many things and must show political flexibility, which, in general, is true, then such phrases about the "Russian bear" look simply ridiculous. What did the beloved Russian bear show to the Turkish wolf by all the repulsed quilted jackets? Nothing, absolutely. The plane was shot down, did not apologize, did not compensate. Have not fulfilled ANY of Putin's demands. If what the author wrote in the article about the fact that Erdogan was cornered and pounded by everyone is true, then in this case it was necessary to continue to spread spread rot on him, and it is quite possible that real apologies would be made and real compensation paid. There is no need to deceive yourself.
    With regards to citizens who spit on patriotism and continued to relax in Turkey despite the prohibitions - yes, there were certainly such people and there were many of them. And personally, I will not even condemn them, although I myself will not go to Turkey even after the lifting of the ban. Only you need to understand that if there are those who do not care about all this, then this does not mean at all that there are also those who do not care. If the country's leadership cannot show an example of patriotism to citizens, then where will the patriots come from? They, not only will not appear, but also those who are just disappointed in their beliefs and will not deprive themselves of the advantages of life without any political troubles.
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 6 July 2016 07: 23
      +14
      Quote: LightPower
      If the country's leadership cannot show an example of patriotism to citizens,


      Just looking at the leadership, the sense of patriotism disappears completely. Just a question arises inside if their government works for the benefit of someone it is not clear, then why am I a simple mechanic, a doctor, a teacher should do something for the country? All these scandals with golden youth, corruption, simply nonsense from the box, tales from the country of unicorns about the economy, endless reforms of everything, etc., do not add confidence in the future and the well-being of their own children.
    2. Sunseich
      Sunseich 6 July 2016 08: 24
      +5
      Your comment is the best!
      "If the country's leadership cannot show an example of patriotism to citizens, then where will patriots come from?"

      what happens to me: "Not only will they not appear, so also those who are them will simply be disappointed in their convictions and will not deprive themselves of the advantages of life without any political problems."
    3. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 6 July 2016 09: 22
      +2
      Good afternoon.
      In the last 100 years, call at least one ruler who set an example of patriotism to citizens? Playing on patriotism, yes, and at that time when necessary.
      There are plenty of examples of patriotism, take examples from them, teach children to them. Syria, Chechnya, drama, and the whole story is full of patriots, not even taking hostilities, patriots of ordinary citizens, officers, soldiers. I am sure they did not take examples from the Shuvalovs and Grefs and the like.
      They rushed to Turkey, a flag in their hands, their shirt closer, blame them or not, everyone lives the way they raised him and this is his life.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 6 July 2016 10: 12
        +5
        Quote: Shark Lover
        In the last 100 years, call at least one ruler who set an example of patriotism to citizens?

        For the last 100 years? I.V. STALIN!
      2. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 6 July 2016 10: 54
        +9
        Isn't J.V. Stalin a patriot? Did he have real estate over the hill? Did you change children for generals? After death, did he leave millions and billions to his grandchildren? If you believe the investigators and doctors with security workers who examined the place, I’m not afraid to say murders, then besides the greatcoat and old boots with a jacket, no matter how much money and a chorus of unrighteous people were found. Can you now look at the current government "patriots"?
  16. parusnik
    parusnik 6 July 2016 07: 11
    -2
    I agree with the author .. Erdogan was put in a corner. Then they forgave him. He won’t become any better .. But the behavior will be different. As from Russia, so Turkey ..
  17. V.ic
    V.ic 6 July 2016 07: 23
    -2
    Any decision that helps our fight against ISIS in Syria is still better than not having one. And lovers of Turkish freebies are just lice crawling to where it is warmer. Article plus.
  18. umka571
    umka571 6 July 2016 07: 34
    +4
    The author of the article overlooks another important aspect. For 23 years, Ukraine practically plundered Crimea; up to 90% of the profits from the resort business were raked by Kiev from Crimea. So there was no question of any development of the resort business there. People in the full sense survived, therefore, the prices for a communal apartment were there, in Crimea, lower than in Russia. And now, after the return of Crimea to Russia, the author complains that Medvedev has not raised the resort infrastructure, which our Ukrainian partners destroyed for 2 years, to the Turkish level in 23 years. Nobody reassigned the Turks, for many centuries Turkey did not fight, you can not discount the industriousness of the people, and many other subtleties. So, whoever wants to, let him go to Turkey to rest. Everyone has their own patriotic, moral standards; read which of our celebrities went to Vaikula in Jurmala for a festival. What after that from the common people to demand?
    1. Sunseich
      Sunseich 6 July 2016 08: 26
      +13
      and rest in Sochi, too, someone from other countries robbed?
      prices are higher than in any overseas with zero quality and great rudeness.
  19. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 July 2016 07: 40
    +7
    This topic is already beginning to fill up on edge. Today we react like this, tomorrow we will explain from above what is better to do differently and again on the site disputes, disputes, division into right and wrong patriots. Isn’t it easier for the country's leadership in a normal human language to explain why they did this and put all the pros and cons on the shelf. But obviously the prevailing opinion is that this is not our (people's) mind’s business. He expressed his personal opinion and at the same time tried not to divide the members of the forum into the right ones and the wrong ones.
  20. Bourgeois
    Bourgeois 6 July 2016 07: 45
    +10
    Good article. Good.
    The author is right in everything.
    But pseudo-ultrapatriots should understand such a simple thing - no one takes your patriotism from you, but you dig in 11 months of the year, hoping for a normal vacation, so that you can relax on your own and pamper the children and wife, and instead, coming to Crimea or Krasnodar region, get a horse price tag on the background of bestial service, from people who also consider themselves megapatriots).
    So the flies should be separate from the cutlets, normal rest should be at least normal.
    Well, with regards to the political aspect of reconciliation with the Turks, everything is also obvious, everything on the surface cannot be flaunted endlessly in Syria itself, without at least somehow secured flanks and allies, such bravado ends badly. Now, after meeting with Netanyahu and forcing peace)) Erdogan, you can solve things in Bl.Vostok already on a grand scale.
    Although to tell the truth, I am in favor of resolving affairs within the Russian Federation on a grand scale, otherwise it turns out that our leaders and leaders, for the solution of foreign policy problems, absolutely forgot about internal political and economic problems. While the people are patient, but patience is running out and instead of understanding the policy "decisive and guiding"))), at least bewilderment can quickly come. And then .... it is much more difficult to find allies inside the country than abroad, having lost the people's trust, you cannot return it with resorts. And our leaders also need to remember this.
    1. Beefeater
      Beefeater 6 July 2016 08: 04
      +6
      "Do not believe a woman who does not drink and a Turk" - Peter the Great.
      1. Bourgeois
        Bourgeois 6 July 2016 08: 24
        +1
        "Believe the current European male alcoholics" - Beefeater. ))))
    2. Sunseich
      Sunseich 6 July 2016 08: 29
      +4
      but the history books included
      Textbooks do not write about simple "workers, teachers and doctors" that they detain the salary, that they are below the subsistence level, that they spat in zombie boxes ...
      there they will write "Crimea, victory, strategic partnership" and other beautiful big words ...
      and they won’t write about Vasilyev and Serdyukov ....
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    4. Todessichel
      Todessichel 6 July 2016 08: 49
      -5
      yes, the dog’s bone must always be with meat, otherwise it will not serve 11 months later in the year.
      Who cares whose bone it was, right?
      1. Bourgeois
        Bourgeois 6 July 2016 10: 59
        +1
        Quote: Todessichel
        yes, the dog’s bone must always be with meat, otherwise it will not serve 11 months later in the year.
        Who cares whose bone it was, right?
        Yeah, but this is only for those who do not eat the difference between people and dogs.
        We live in such a country and in such a climate that our people have the right to a good rest, as they should and have the right to choose where to rest.
    5. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 6 July 2016 09: 31
      -1
      You have 8 pluses, absolutely in the hole!
    6. Sunseich
      Sunseich 6 July 2016 12: 15
      +3
      I don’t remember which of the old rulers wrote:
      A strong country does not always mean a happy population ...
  21. Sergeant Pank
    Sergeant Pank 6 July 2016 07: 52
    0
    Yes, more than a hundred years ago, one person said that Russia has only two allies, an army and a navy. That's when we have the Fleet, then we'll talk about this topic.

    Gold words. How often they forget about it.
  22. Beefeater
    Beefeater 6 July 2016 07: 59
    +9
    For example, I was very outraged that the lifting of the ban on holidays in Turkey occurred during the terrible terrorist attack at the Istanbul airport where 400 people were injured. It has been repeatedly stated that being in Turkey is dangerous because of the threat of terrorism. Fly guys. Fly.
  23. Xmyp
    Xmyp 6 July 2016 08: 11
    +5
    Quote: Shick
    It's funny to watch after all how people were yelling quite recently not so long ago about the Turks of the damned, a knife in the back, etc., etc. and then rushed to Turkey) that's all patriotism, remained on the couch.
    And where was the super response to the Turks? it turns out that the pilot died in vain?

    selfish interest above all, everyone thinks about his w ...

    There is a pipe issue, no more.
    The opinion of cattle is not interesting, it does what is necessary.
  24. Gavril
    Gavril 6 July 2016 08: 24
    +5
    The point is that our people perceived the letter of the Turks as an abandoned life preserver for us! And imagine that tomorrow the Turks again shoot down our plane, what shall we say? How do we react? There are already articles about the fact that we need the Turks like water to fish, articles will soon appear justifying the shooting down of our plane, then all sorts of "ahedzhakovs" will apologize!
  25. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 6 July 2016 08: 40
    .
    About Putin's discharge of Russian patriotism into Turkish tomatoes. Yeah. Only Putin thinks in somewhat larger categories than some of us. Yes, our life consists of small joys and events. Rest is cheaper, prices are lower in stores. It’s rare who wonders what will happen tomorrow or at what price. With all my claims to Putin, I see how much he is involved in the country and the state. This cannot be taken away from him. Did we choose it? Have chosen. Let's trust what he does. FSBash mentality leaves its mark. Once again he will not say anything, he will not comment. Guess supposedly herself. Is it difficult to swim against the tide? Hard. But there are no other options. Or bondage from the stronger. And then we and our children, citizens of the fifth grade.
  26. Andrey, And
    Andrey, And 6 July 2016 08: 45
    -4
    The author wrote everything correctly
  27. Todessichel
    Todessichel 6 July 2016 08: 45
    +11
    Here you go.
    Levashov was right in saying that Russia was run by mother businessmen.
    That we were pierced, shot down by a bomber, that we had a bloody show of Peshkov’s demonstrative execution, you watch and don’t say that you didn’t see how Russian can be bent and the subsequent symphony of mockery performed by the Turkish leadership is not us, who showed everyone what it was in principle, nothing will happen.
    Money always rustles ahead of everything, even the blood that stretches behind it with a smeared train.
    And the blood of Peshkov and the paratrooper will forever remain the background of our relations with Turkey.
    Why?
    But because the blood is washed off only with blood.
    Tales of the eternal embargoes and formidable promises of the eternal damnation work only until the moment when the business man realizes the loss of his native child.
    Did the Russians vote with a wallet?
    No, they voted with conscience, no more.
    And what is conscience in our time?
    I want to have a satisfying meal in a good hotel, have a good rest on a cheap beach, I didn’t give a damn that they set the country as cancer, and it turns out that I, who has just arrived in the country-cancer station, also.
    Let cancer, but cheap.
    Turkotourism has become for our average man a litmus test of his spiritual maturity, the height of the prevalence of the spiritual, pah, material over spiritual.
    The depth of the fall is terrifying ...
    Yes, a person is weak, but in order to gain another understanding of this weakness, one must first become a person.
    And here, it’s not my soul weak, but weak to the front, or to the back, as you like.
    With what pleasure, readiness and how quickly they began to lift the sanctions as if they were just waiting for an apology and prayed for them, how a briskly hungry and tired crowd rushed to those whom they had just cursed.
    Putinslite patriotism?
    The Russians themselves poured it into a money toilet with crocodile tears for overseas holidays.
    I would like to ask- Do you, gentlemen, actually deserve a vacation?
    Putin leaked the face of the country along with the people.
    Eat cheaper and drink more and sleep better in Turkish hotels, gentlemen.
    Mow the loot, ladies and gentlemen.
    I'm sick of you.
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 6 July 2016 12: 00
      +3
      Quote: Todessichel
      Eat cheaper and drink more and sleep better in Turkish hotels, gentlemen.
      Mow the loot, ladies and gentlemen.
      I'm sick of you.

      There are many countries in the world. No one is stopping you from moving and being proud of another president.
      Maybe you personally Putin or someone else puts a Turkish tomato in his mouth, or tied and taken to Turkey? We have a free country - go to the square and rally against Erdogan. (Only coordinate with the city hall in advance)))
      Nobody bothers you to show your civic position. NONE!!!!!
  28. dojjdik
    dojjdik 6 July 2016 08: 48
    +2
    it’s funny to read that the Turks quarreled with Israel and then suddenly made peace; may it never have been and never will be-they all and sheikhs and Turks and Israel destroy and destroy Syria and Assad just as Iraq was destroyed; nonsense that Erdogan will become a pay-boy and stop listening to Jews while Assad’s head is on his shoulders and even then this three from the United States will tackle Iran - the ayatola already has this atomic weapon
  29. azer
    azer 6 July 2016 08: 50
    .
    Chic article to the author 100 points. Sofa patriots shut up right away.
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 6 July 2016 12: 03
      +5
      Quote: azer
      Chic article to the author 100 points. Sofa patriots shut up right away.

      The author is exactly the same couch patriot. The articles are all about justifying Putin's "genius". Pure water supply. Tomorrow Putin will again quarrel and this person will tell what kind of Turks. This cannot be taken seriously. Just entertaining reading on a free topic.
  30. Jack-b
    Jack-b 6 July 2016 08: 52
    +2
    I do not agree with Roman in one moment:
    To make our vacation spots more attractive than Turkish ones is the task. Which our government did not rush to solve. What for? Easier to ban.
    And what exactly should the government rush to do? Let's start with the Crimea. There, now, without tourism, the government has enough business. When compared with Turkey, it was more correct to take not Sochi, but Sochi. We built hotels in Sochi and created the infrastructure. This is where the government got too big. Result? I think at the end of the season it will become clear. And the Crimea will be untwisted only in a couple of years. Moreover, it is not the business of the government to provide service. This is a private business. I think that just the normalization of relations with Turkey kicks this very business to smile broadly at tourists and provide a service at half-bent. Government infrastructure: Kerch bridge, reconstruction of airports, roads, etc. Assistance in finding investors is also from the government, as well as cleaning up land issues (access to beaches and avoiding wasted land), and environmental control (clean beaches and all other territories). But not service, service is outside the competence of the government.
  31. Arkan
    Arkan 6 July 2016 08: 55
    +2
    "Otdyhaki" - an epithet of the Crimean tour industry about tourists, in fact, the behavior is the same, they just stupidly want money, with a minimum of cost. In Turkey, the service is much better, but the rest there turns into an extreme, however, everyone decides for himself. Erdogan is still a guano, but with the keys to the straits, so you have to communicate. Politicians in their actions start from the possible, so the GDP made a logical move in the situation with Turkey. They will not babysit the Turks, the embargo is in effect and will continue to operate, the Russian manufacturer is more expensive than foreign ones.
  32. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 6 July 2016 09: 00
    +1
    And today’s isolation cannot live in isolation. And, by the way, Erdogan’s example here is indicative. Will eat - Nonsense of pure water. With competent foreign, and ESPECIALLY domestic policy, the havalnik will not even have time to open. But as long as the ball is ruined by an overgrown comprador EP - yes, this can happen, they will not gobble up the gobble, but they will bite pretty.
  33. guzik007
    guzik007 6 July 2016 09: 03
    +5
    We have a category of writers whose main goal is to explain to the unconscious population the wisdom and correctness of Putin's actions. The head of this cohort is of course Soloviev. But others do not seem to lag behind either. Only our population is like that, "irresponsible". We, unreasonable, would like to hear a little different from our president. Something like this: of course, we are always happy with the improvement of relations, and we cannot but rejoice at the appeal of the Turkish president as a sign of his acknowledgment of his guilt in what happened. And if in the future, reinforcing this fact, Erdogan will compensate the Ministry of Defense for the losses incurred by the Aerospace Forces as a result of the loss of the aircraft, apologize to the families of the victims, and compensate them for the moral loss, then, of course, we will do our best to restore good-neighborly relations with Turkey.
    ALL! Dot. And more to us (ordinary people would not have to explain anything. And no one would justify anyone and do not brand pseudo-ur and other nonsense.
  34. erased
    erased 6 July 2016 09: 08
    +2
    A script tested on the SSR works:

    Bukovka forgot. A trifle, but nice. Or unpleasant.
    State power has long been living by its interests, and not by the people. The honor and dignity of the people are also not interested in power. But that thing is familiar and familiar.
    But if the people are full of those who, spitting on the blood of our soldiers killed and wounded, on the threats of Turkey, on its support of the Bandera junta in Ukraine, on sponsoring terrorism in Russia, are still lucky to bring money to the enemies, then this is a very big trouble.
    A trip to Germany in the year of 1943 takes place on the same line as a trip to Turkey today. Potential traitors for whom two weeks of a resort are more precious than their people.
    That the service is worthless in the Crimea or in Krasnodar, this is the tenth question. There are Thailand, Goa, Greece and other resorts. And to go to visit the enemy, this, sorry, is not the same. Not at all that.
    Or is it necessary for someone to die in every family, then they will think faster? Like, this is native blood, and Peshkov and the rest who died in Syria - is someone else's blood?
  35. cheburator
    cheburator 6 July 2016 09: 11
    -6
    I completely agree with the author, Konstantin Dushenov broadcasts well on this and many similar topics (on YouTube "Orthodox Rus") good
  36. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 6 July 2016 09: 12
    +1
    What are you saying? Hotels in Sochi are jam-packed all year round and there are no complaints about the service. The airport serves passengers 30% more than in the Olympics. Sorry, this reminds me of the look of a fly and a bee on the outside world.
    Quote: SanSeich
    and rest in Sochi, too, someone from other countries robbed?
    prices are higher than in any overseas with zero quality and great rudeness.
  37. iskander491
    iskander491 6 July 2016 09: 22
    -8
    Article is 100% to the author +++.
    Here, more and more apples in Krasnodar are interested and the final result is to cover the Turks with a nuclear fungus.
    The fallen soldiers have eternal memory, but Russia has achieved a very serious influence in that region, and Erdogan was pressed even though not in the corner. Probably two Chechens forgot, the 90s forgot, Yeltsin’s departure was forgotten, I wanted to fight.
    The author has done well in the region, the geopolitics of many states has converged, and his interests must be defended.
    And as for the rest in Turkey, it doesn’t pull me, BUT TO GERMANY ALSO, but ours go to Germany, and about patriotism everyone is silent and they drag capital there too !!!
    And the fact that our management does not care about its own is just not news, it's time to get used to it.
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 6 July 2016 10: 25
      +2
      Quote: iskander491
      BUT ALONG TO GERMANY, BUT ALSO OURSHALL GO TO GERMANY


      Maybe they are silent because the last time Germany shot down a Russian plane in the 45 year?
  38. I doubt it
    I doubt it 6 July 2016 09: 26
    +13
    I am probably one of the millions of "wrong patriots".
    I am probably in a terrible "patriotic frenzy".
    I probably don’t know much.
    But.
    I believe PUTINSIL.
    Once again I felt that people in Russia are just "consumable" material.
    I again experienced the most disgusting feeling from the realization of what "political ....." rule the Motherland.

    "It's a shame for the state ..."
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 6 July 2016 19: 24
      +1
      Well, September 18th is not very far. maybe it's time to use power?
  39. siberalt
    siberalt 6 July 2016 09: 26
    +1
    Quote: Volka
    no demagogy, everything is simpler, Russia and the national treasure in the form of Gazprom definitely need a southern branch of the supply of gas and oil to Europe, in short, the strategy justifies the means ...

    Yes, you need the first vizier to Putin! Everything turns out to be simple, and even Europe you already have a small letter. laughing
  40. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 6 July 2016 09: 27
    +8
    Article minus. Is this how to "understand and forgive"? That everything is bought and sold? Well, they forgave and took pity on Erdogan, so what? He continues to supply terrorists with weapons. Maybe I don't know and the Turkish border with Syria is closed? Now there will be such a situation: at the expense of our tourists (who did not give a damn about patriotism), tomatoes, etc. we will sponsor the assassination of our military. They have already killed 12 people. I forgot to mention the Chechen terrorists who are resting in Turkey and eagerly dreaming of returning to Russia, it is understandable not with tomatoes. And the GDP gives the go-ahead to support this gadyushnik.
  41. Todessichel
    Todessichel 6 July 2016 09: 28
    +2
    The pig crowd rushed to a hearty and tasty, and most importantly cheap trough.
    Apparently hungry for the winter.
    Not for spiritual writing, no, but for places where it is sweeter, more satisfying, and most importantly cheaper.
    What, Putin did not know that Erogan cuts loot in the war in Syria before he sent the VKS there?
    What did he expect all this time, when the country was torn to pieces.
    He did not know about oil?
    He does not know, and the crowd of pig farmers, that Erogan manic perseverance exterminates the Kurds, now, by the way, too?
    What shoot refugees, children, gut them on the bodies?
    They know.
    And they knew.
    But the embargoes were removed, the gate to the pig restaurant was opened.
    For a pig fit?
    No, for the swineherd and the owner of the pig farm.
    Why have you reduced your military presence there, huh?
    Bravura marches on the achievement of critical successes there let them shove themselves much deeper.
    If this were so, then the war would have ended.
    So they didn’t reach, they didn’t break ...
    I am ashamed, I am sitting and clutching my head.
    And Dukhbydlo joyfully screeching suitcases packs.
  42. darksoul
    darksoul 6 July 2016 09: 28
    +2
    now they cry that Putin leaked and the reservation on the Turkish coast already breaks all records ... I don’t understand ... Putin forces them to be patriots, but themselves? for free olinklyuziv rushed back .... and then again begin to cry ... oppress ... dead ... and x ... with them .... warned 1000 times ... not mentally retarded and adequate people go there understand everything yourself should
  43. alex1310
    alex1310 6 July 2016 09: 40
    +3
    To make our vacation spots more attractive than Turkish ones is the task. Which our government did not rush to solve. What for? Easier to ban.
    And, unfortunately, we have practically no such service and resorts anywhere. And if there is, it is not for the average Russian!
  44. gv2000
    gv2000 6 July 2016 09: 41
    +12
    Rested in AnapE. No, the sea is normal, if you don't go to the city beach, but where to drive off. Especially on the beach, the service from the aborigines got it. It is very intrusive to offer some kind of incomprehensible food and drinks. Well, I don't want to buy from him - no, they stick. They even coined the term: "state employee or something," hinting at limited finances. Doesn't understand that my finances allow me to eat normally in a normal restaurant. No bothers: buy from him something that seems to be incomprehensible from what chebureks. The type who didn’t buy it - I didn’t see Anapa. He explained that we are the owners here, and they are only when we leave. Barely drove away. Then the blacks stuck to the granddaughter saying they were giving a photo with us as a keepsake. Nah they surrendered to us. Better with a monkey, or a parrot. So no, I hear in the back like: If my dad were there, I would not have pinched the money for a photo ... By the way, they ask for 500 rubles for a photo with a parrot. By chance I overheard a conversation between two such photographs about earnings per day: 1500 rubles. DBLBL! Make a price for a photo of 50 rubles and the opportunity to throw it on a flash drive - I will take a picture of 1000 at a time with your monkey, and with parrots and with you in addition!
    The policemen were amused: I saw a man on a beach with a can of beer in a bag not allowed. Like in a public place nizyayayayaya ... And aunt walks on the beach and yells: cold beer, chacha wine ...
    Well nah this anapu.
  45. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 6 July 2016 09: 47
    +1
    Throwing our tourists to Turkey, comparable only with the counterattack near Moscow, says a few things.
    1) Our resorts are not ready for the needs of our tourists. Is Putin to blame? Why has the magic hand of the market not put things in order? Who's guilty?

    2. The war in Syria is unpopular in society, so the image of the enemy from Turkey is not molded. The people lost faith in the media.
    3. It's elementary cold here
    Even in the summer. We will be pulled to warm countries with the sea. And this must be reckoned with.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 July 2016 10: 55
      0
      Findings prematurely - let's see what happens next.
  46. sergo1914
    sergo1914 6 July 2016 09: 49
    +3
    I don't quite agree with the author. It is not a matter of "putinslil" or "putinneslit", but of some shameful haste to change. Sharp turns are not good. And this almost instantaneous transition from enemy to brother left an unpleasant "aftertaste". Here, it seems to me, lies the line with regard to the latest events related to Turkey. This is a watershed. And the dividing line between "putinslil" and "putinslil" is the Yeltsin Center. IMHO.
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 6 July 2016 13: 59
      +5
      With all due respect to Roman, I’m on the contrary. Against the forgiveness of Turkey and Erdogad. I’m not used to wagging, unscrewing. And it looks ugly and dirty. I really need a pipe through Turkey. And what about the sovereign’s words that this pipe is over forever .I'm against.
  47. GOGY
    GOGY 6 July 2016 09: 49
    +12
    request I DO NOT UNDERSTAND ...
    Quote: vladimirvn
    About Putin's discharge of Russian patriotism into Turkish tomatoes. Yeah. Only Putin thinks in somewhat larger categories than some of us. Yes, our life consists of small joys and events. Rest is cheaper, prices are lower in stores. It’s rare who wonders what will happen tomorrow or at what price. With all my claims to Putin, I see how much he is involved in the country and the state. This cannot be taken away from him. Did we choose it? Have chosen. Let's trust what he does. FSBash mentality leaves its mark. Once again he will not say anything, he will not comment. Guess supposedly herself. Is it difficult to swim against the tide? Hard. But there are no other options. Or bondage from the stronger. And then we and our children, citizens of the fifth grade.
    What does the mentality have to do with it? THE PEOPLE WANTS TO KNOW! Kindly - explain yourself, bro, if we chose you, or everything - chose, and the people are not needed now !? So what? Then the people start thinking, but is the king real? Huh? What, roughly speaking, a member, then the wave was raised: evenings with Solovyov, rallies “We will not forget, we will not forgive!” People were convinced, yes, Erdogan is such a ... bad shaitans, and their tomatoes are shit ... There is no need to fool people and puff out their cheeks, like Kisa Vorobyaninov at the Sword and Plowshare meeting, we do not believe in this bullshit and this meaningful silence. Maybe there is simply nothing to say? ... If the authorities do not explain their actions, it means that either they cannot do it, or they are afraid, or they simply do not care about the people ... I don’t even know which is worse. I am sincerely sorry for the Putinites, it is hard for them, the poor, to explain to every cattle all these cunning plans, and how many more there will be, these plans ...
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 6 July 2016 19: 30
      +2
      Wah, Gogi, he said well!
      it is a pity that it is far from me, now there would be "alaverdi" from our table, your table! drinks
  48. 70BSN
    70BSN 6 July 2016 09: 51
    +4
    The patriotism of our country fades away in corruption ......

    The state does not have patriotism, but the people rushed to Turkey stupidly because of the service, because in Sochi and Crimea there is no service and the prices for everything are not appropriate ...... And the fact that Putin agreed to him only at hand. He knows everything exactly as it is inside the country ..... It has been 2 years since the import-substituting project has been launched and it is clear that on the shelves of the country there are mainly not our agricultural producers, but China or other countries. 2 years in such an innovative time with such land and resources, we practically did not do anything. All that Putin has done is only a defense industry and he has been set up as homies to the best places in the state. And he does not punish corruption of his friends, but only provides another position !!! So much for patriotism.
    1. Antiprogressor
      Antiprogressor 6 July 2016 10: 48
      +4
      Quote: 70BSN
      people rushed to Turkey stupidly because of the service because in Sochi and Crimea there is no service and prices for everything that do not correspond

      Well, okay, I’m not traveling and I spend my six full decades in my native Siberian house (which my father built in 1927), however, the question is: why can’t Cubs and ides make their holidays in their Russian Kuban cheaper than in Turkey?
      Once upon a time there was no that Brezhnev mayor of Sochi. But the territory of the Caucasus is covered by a curse and corruption. (The moron editor is responsible for spelling)
      And Crimea is not better.
      And Siberia is a fool! A relative came here from the Ministry of Water, wanted a little rest in our holiday home ... Prices ... I rented an apartment in St. Petersburg in the center - five times cheaper. Well! Cut the branch on which they sit. But all, as one - patriet!
      1. bk316
        bk316 6 July 2016 20: 07
        +3
        Quote: Antiprogressor
        why Cuba but ides cannot make rest in their Russian Kuban cheaper than in Turkey?

        Yes, because they don’t want to. And generally forget, spit and forget. At the sixth dozen, you need to understand there are unattainable things. It seems that in this discussion the majority of teenagers: on the one hand desires are maximalist (to nurture Erdogan completely), on the other hand there is no memory of the 90s (in which shit they lived).
  49. Migor102
    Migor102 6 July 2016 09: 57
    0
    it was necessary to squeeze them ........... am
    1. tracer
      tracer 6 July 2016 16: 26
      +3
      In what? In hotel room prices? Or penny slippers rooms from the softer "Shanghai leopard" wait ...
  50. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 6 July 2016 10: 05
    -3
    For GOGY? 09.49. You know, I didn’t control the country and I don’t know the whole kitchen. I only saw how they manage large military units. And when the general plans the operation, he thinks not of the life of each individual soldier, but of the fulfillment of the assigned task. There is such a thing, acceptable losses. Not you, nor I, of course, would like to fall under this concept. But then the map will fall. The benefit of the whole community is more valuable than the interests of individual members. And for this, the President has been appointed to observe the interests of the entire population. And they are always judged by the final results, and not by intermediate goals.
    And yes it will be explained. So choose yourself the next president Zhirinovsky, he will explain everything. Or another democrat, they are ready to explain to us constantly what happiness it is to be the 29th member in Europe.
    1. runway
      runway 6 July 2016 11: 00
      +4
      LIES!
      No "acceptable casualties" are considered when planning combat actions! Not a single Combat Manual contains and cannot have this concept. If someone from the military made a statement about "acceptable losses", no one would shake hands with him, but would gladly spit in his face.