Agency REGNUM appealed to the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation in connection with the "case of Mannerheim"

Information Agency REGNUM represented by its Director General Yulia Krizhanskaya and the Editor-in-Chief, Acting State Counselor of the Russian Federation 1 class Modest Kolerov, sent an editorial request to the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation Yury Chaika, which states the following:

“16 June 2016 was opened a memorial plaque in honor of Karl Mannerheim in St. Petersburg on the building of the Military Engineering and Technical University (VITU) at Zakharyevskaya Street, 22.

We believe that the perpetuation of the memory of Hitler's ally in the city, who survived the fascist blockade, in which Mannerheim took an active part, directly offends the memory of hundreds of thousands of victims of the Leningrad blockade and hundreds of thousands who died in the defense of the city. The installation of the board causes a great public outcry among living blockaders and veterans, and tens of millions of their faithful heirs, who consider this fact a personal insult and an insult to memory.

We believe that the installation of plaques, such as Mannerheim - this is a spittle in our Constitution. According to the preamble of the Constitution of the Russian Federation: "We, the multinational people of the Russian Federation ..., commemorating the ancestors who gave us love and respect for the Fatherland, faith in goodness and justice ... accept the Constitution of the Russian Federation."

If memorial plaques are installed in the Russian Federation such as Mannerheim, this means that the people DO NOT honor the memory of their ancestors, this means that the ancestors did not give us neither love, nor respect for the Fatherland, nor faith in good and, moreover, justice and, accordingly, does not adopt the Constitution.

The personality and activity of Karl Mannerheim has been studied in detail by historians and it has been reliably established that all of his military leadership services are related to the military actions of Finland against the USSR during the Second World War. And their main content is to help the troops of Nazi Germany in the Leningrad region.

Published historical documents and the results of detailed studies by authoritative Russian and Finnish historians conclusively prove that in the history of Leningrad - St. Petersburg K.G. Mannerheim:

(1) is personally an accomplice and co-author of the planning and implementation of the blockade of Leningrad, leading to hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties;

(2) is personally the author and leader of hostilities aimed at the destruction of the “Road of Life”, which supplied besieged Leningrad.

Mannerheim, as commander-in-chief of the Finnish army, even before the start of the war, took part in the development of a plan for a joint German-Finnish attack on Leningrad. The aim of the Finnish offensive was precisely Leningrad, and not the old Soviet-Finnish border. See about this research: A. Rus (Lehdistosensuuri jatkosodassa. Kokemaki, 1982), P. Talvela (Sodlaan elama. Muistelmat. Osa l. Jyvaskyla, 1976), Oh. Jussila, S. Hentil, Y. Nevakivi (The Political History of Finland. 1809 − 2009. M., 2010), A.R. Dzeniskevich (Blockade and Politics: The Defense of Leningrad in the Political Situation. St. Petersburg, 1998; and others;

Finnish troops under the leadership of Mannerheim held the northern half ring blockade of Leningrad. In early September, 1941, the Finnish troops everywhere crossed the line of the old border on the Karelian Isthmus and advanced further to a depth of 20 km. Finnish troops stopped at the line of the Karelian fortified area. However, the distance from the Finnish troops to the city outskirts of Leningrad was at least 19 km. which did not allow the Finnish troops to use the artillery on their armament for shelling Leningrad. See the documentary indication of the front line: Field Administration of the Leningrad Front. The situation map on the front of the 23 Army by the end of 11 in September 1941. - Archive of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. F. 217. Op. 1221. D. 33.

Finnish troops under the personal command of Mannerheim attempted to organize the second ring of the blockade of Leningrad - around Lake Ladoga. Objective: to cut the communications of the besieged city on Lake Ladoga and cut off supplies through the White Sea-Baltic and Volga-Baltic canals. Finnish troops were stopped only as a result of the heroic resistance of the Red Army at the turn of the Svir River. The attempt to close the second ring of the blockade was not crowned with success, but the most important communications through which food could be delivered to the blocked Leningrad (Volga-Balt and the White Sea-Baltic Canal) were blocked by the Finnish army. See about this: Mannerheim, Karl Gustav. Memoirs. M .: Vagrius, 1999; A. Isaev, V. Other. 1941. From the border to Leningrad. M .: Yauza, Eksmo, 2011; and etc..

Under the personal leadership of Mannerheim in 1942, a united German-Finnish was formed on Lake Ladoga flotilla. The General Instructions for the Activities of the Ladoga Fleet Detachment during Navigation of 1942, signed by Mannerheim on January 22, 1942, said: "Special attention should be paid to offensive operations against enemy communications taking place in the southern part of Lake Ladoga." (See: Central Naval Archive. F. 2. Op. 028571. D. 2). Thus, Mannerheim personally ordered the flotilla to attack the Leningrad Road of Life.

The situation is similar to the installation of the board Mannerheim is widely known. The bas-relief and the memorial plaque to the ataman Naumenko were installed in the stanitsa of Petrovskaya, Slavyansky district of the Krasnodar region. On the board it was stated that the ataman is "a talented military leader, military historian, ataman of the Kuban Cossack army in exile."

It is necessary to pay tribute to the prosecutor's office, which filed an administrative lawsuit against the municipal authorities of the Slavyansk region of the Krasnodar Territory about dismantling the bas-relief and board to the Nazi collaborator, and won the case, proving that while in exile, General Naumenko cooperated with the Nazis (information from the website of the General Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation).

We believe that in the case of Mannerheim it will be absolutely legal and fair to make a similar administrative action in the interests of an unlimited circle of persons.

Considering the above, as well as the colossal outrage of the public about perpetuating the memory of the accomplice of the fascist K. Mannerheim in St. Petersburg, we ask you to give instructions to conduct a prosecutor's check, give a legal assessment of the facts established during it and take measures to protect the memory of ancestors who gave us love and respect for the Fatherland, faith in good and justice».

Comments

[St Petrov]

On Friday, a memorial plaque council under the St. Petersburg government ruled that the installation of a Mannerheim memorial plaque was unlawful.

For illegal placement of the board contrary to procedure the owners face a fine of one hundred thousand rubles.

The board was installed illegally (it’s strange that the cadets just installed it and the officers in the frame are superfluous)

VO has a small time lag so per week)

PS board is already dismantled

[Patriot 1]

This is a criminal article:

354.1. The rehabilitation of Nazism.
Denial of the facts established by the verdict of the International Military Tribunal for the trial and punishment of the main war criminals of the European axis countries, approval of the crimes established by the specified verdict ....
Under the second part falls:
2. The same acts committed by a person using his official position or using the media ......

is punished with a fine in the amount of from one hundred thousand to five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the salary or other income of the convicted person for a period of one to three years, or forced labor for up to five years, or imprisonment for the same term with the deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for up to three years.

[St Petrov]

Well, you tell the judge) I just posted announce)

As for me - in this country too much needs to be done. It annoys me that the prisoners are sitting with us, and not practicing their behavior on large-scale construction projects.

For this it is necessary not to plant, but to send to quarries, mines, logging. There is a lot of mechanical work requiring a huge amount of human hours and a minimum of technical knowledge.

The same update BAM or the development of new deposits. beat the knots in the end, you can devote this whole life to the rest. there are a lot of knots)

[97110]

Quote: s-t Petrov

There is a lot of mechanical work requiring a huge amount of human hours and a minimum of technical knowledge.

A nurse in an infection. Near the house, a very popular job. They quickly get used to the smell. And there is nothing for them to do at the logging, the black loggers will cut the forest even without them.

[97110]

Quote: 97110

A nurse in an infection.

All the time without explanation minus. What a shame for the post? Or are you really afraid?

[energy701]

Minus you for the fact that the crap is level!
And they don’t answer, because there is no desire, time, or anything else ....
Before writing, sometimes you need to think .....

[Mahmut]

Well, what a sincere indignation at Regnum. They do not know who to contact in such cases. Go to court gentlemen carnelians. Or there was not a single legally literate agency. Well, there is no mention of Mannerheim in the codes of the Russian Federation, and therefore do not tempt Chaika to abuse his authority. Guilt needs to be proved in court, since such a booze has gone, and not engage in verbiage and labeling. But in a good way, you need to start with Lenin’s grandfather, this kind as a year-round Santa Claus and forever alive, like Kaschei the immortal man. Well, please announce the entire list of passengers of the sealed (wagon?) Two trains! Here.

[Witness 45]

Nonsense, real! From the first moment of his tenure as head of state, Lenin did everything that was possible only then to strengthen and develop it, why, say, a "German spy" should be engaged in restoring industry, developing a plan for electrifying the entire country, creating new scientific and educational organizations, fighting with illiteracy and the like. Tsarist Russia was ruined primarily by its authorities themselves, who were unable to respond to the problems facing the country, and finally it was finished off by the liberals who came to power in February 1917 as a result of a coup d'état, which was inspired by our "allies." The Bolsheviks, under the leadership of Lenin and then Stalin, had to restore everything that the previous authorities had done. The thesis about Lenin as a "spy" is for housewives with education below the level of the plinth.

[97110]

Quote: energy701

Before writing, sometimes you need to think .....

Oh, energetic appeared. YOU (we don’t know each other, get an answer) when they send people to a logging site, do you think that this is a great punishment? And the orderly in the infection drags on pleasure? Thinking and energy sometimes should.

[73bor]

They are involved in the construction of general summer houses, the development of virgin gardens!

[gav6757]

First Mannerheim, then Vlasov ...
Serdyukov and Vasilyeva are also rehabilitated ...
What creates this party of power is incomprehensible to the mind!
https://vk.com/id16217314?z=photo-56245190_421682964%2Fwall16217314_2697

[Al1977]

Quote: gav6757

What creates this party in power is incomprehensible to the mind

Are you talking about a person with a rating of 80% and his party?
These are people who were elected by the vast majority of the population, respectively, are satisfied with them. T is ready to argue with anyone that the majority from EP will also pass into the new Duma, because the people love them very much.
Exhaustive answer.
You are a minority, an oppositionist, which in our country is equated to a traitor to the motherland.

[Theophanes]

The Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation seems to be hanging the board? The liberals will soon set Hitler and Himler on Red Square, and Edin.Ros will put out an unlimited guard of honor! And make post No. 1!

[Alex777]

In addition to the minister, the head of the administration also appeared in the case ...
The cadre is not cadets, but the Kremlin regiment.
I do not understand anything ...

[Koshak]

Quote: Theophanes

Does the Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation seem to hang a board?

The board was also hung by Sergey Ivanov, Head of the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation. With all due respect to the president, how could such a fraud be allowed from a subordinate? Or did the liberals also buy Ivanov? I do not envy Putin with such an environment. One can clean this rot - for a long time, with one blow - it is possible ... Maybe for this the National Guard is being created. One hope for the wisdom of our president.

[Mahmut]

I do not envy Putin with such an environment.

And the environment also laid flowers at the Mannerheim monument in Finland, or Putin, after all. Personally entrusted. And Putin personally participated in the march of the immortal regiment. Do not try to match the facts. You do not have them.

[valerei]

By the way, Serdyukov was also "surrounded", so what? As the saying goes: "Wonderful are your deeds, Lord," if the president himself recruits such people into his entourage.

[Witness 45]

Yes, it is not the national guard that needs to be created, but the guilt of Ivan the Terrible; there is no other way to rectify this, the echelons of power at all levels require thorough cleaning and mopping up.

[Kushadasov]

I will say sedition: do you really think that the head of the Presidential Administration independently decided to hang this board without the consent of the President?

[Idiot]

The Minister of Culture has a peculiar perception of our history. I read his book "War". He believes it.

[romandostalo]

I recommend reading the book "Anti-Medinsky", there are 2 books, very interesting!

[alexdol]

Al1977 (3) RU "Are you talking about a person with a rating of 80% and his party? These are the people who were elected by the absolute majority of the population ..."
------------------------------------------
Do you still believe in ELECTIONS? I would like to remind you of Mark Twain's statement about "ELECTIONS":
If the elections decided something, we would NOT be invited to them!

[73bor]

And I don’t give a damn about this minister and the party who had warmed him up, if a person of I.D.I.T.

[romandostalo]

If a person has died, then it will be for a long time, and if he is a DOSA, then it will be forever!

[there]

At the elections to the State Duma in 2011 came 60,2%. voters. Speaking of United Russia, 31 people voted for it, or 667% of voters who came to the polling stations.
Actually less than 30% voted for United Russia
the population of Russia.

[quote]

Quote: gav6757

What creates this party of power is incomprehensible to the mind!

Sorry for the immodest question. Did the game also hang up the board? I don’t really keep up with all the "avalanche-rising".

[97110]

Quote: devis

Did the party also hang the board?

Dark business. If the leadership of the United Russia party expressed their attitude to the board, then, taught by the bitter experience of defending Serdyukov, they did it quietly. Neither Medinsky's condemnation, nor references to the fact that he is a "worthy person", in the context of the blackboard, did not see.

[bovig]

Quote: devis

Quote: gav6757

What creates this party of power is incomprehensible to the mind!

Sorry for the immodest question. Did the game also hang up the board? I don’t really keep up with all the "avalanche-rising".

Most likely simple, poorly educated guest workers were hanging the board - they are forgiven ... The order on this matter was given by officials appointed to their posts by the party in power, which is the United Russia! Having a majority in the State Duma, it has the advantage (privilege) in nominating and appointing its candidates for government and other managerial posts - that's the whole relationship of the "avalanche rising" ... The advantage, in this case, implies responsibility! Again, someone has degenerated the IDEA for the installation of this memorial plaque and the way of its implementation !!! This is a very interesting question who is the entot patriot ?! Ivanov, somehow, drew himself in this event ... And there is no suitable word, because you cannot call him a half-wit ...

[valerei]

Quote: bovig

An advantage, in this case, involves responsibility! Again, someone degenerated the IDEA for installing this memorial plaque and the path to its implementation !!! This is a very interesting question, who is the entot patriot ?! Ivanov, somehow, drew in this event ... And there is no suitable word, because you cannot call him a moron ...

"Each flaw has a surname, name and patronymic" (Sergo Ordzhonikidze - People's Commissar of Heavy Industry of the USSR) As they say: Neither add nor add.

[Idiot]

This is the third version of the authorship of a wonderful phrase. They also talked about Kaganovich and Beria. The latter always asked to clarify: who was holding the pen, signing for the "flaw" ...

[python2a]

And what else to call them? Golden lads!

[Vasek Trubachev]

Vlasov? And Dudaev, than did not please? Served for the good of the USSR at one time ...

[would]

In fact, in this case, unfortunately no

1. Denial of facts established by the verdict of the International Military Tribunal for trial and punishments major war criminals European axis countries, approval of crimes established by the specified sentence, as well as the dissemination of knowingly false information about the activities of the USSR during the Second World War, committed in public, -

In order for this article to work, at least Mannerheim would be condemned as a war criminal. As such, he was not even brought to trial, which means that, based on the presumption of innocence, he is not a legally war criminal, just as his actions are not a crime personally. The court simply cannot legally consider Mannerheim as a war criminal, and his actions as a war crime. This means that 354.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation is no longer valid because it provides for punishment for the justification of specifically war criminals and their crimes that can be considered such only by decision of a court or tribunal.

It's a pity. If the wording would have been different and there would have been something like "justification of the allies of Nazi Germany," then the corpus delicti would have been.

[vladim.gorbunow]

Man isn’t alive by bribe-taking, but ...

[Witness 45]

But it is for this that such a science exists. like jurisprudence, with all its little gimmicks that allow you to judge not by conscience, the foundations of traditional morality and ethics, and take away from punishment those who deserve it. Well, and also "high politics", in the interests of which one and the same event is completely different, for example, in some cases to recognize the priority of the people's right to self-determination, in others - the inviolability of the territorial integrity of the state.

[dmi.pris1]

And who took part in the opening there ??

[python2a]

And whom to attract then? Head of the Presidential Administration and Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation?

[sunzhenets]

Unfortunately, in this case, no.
Mannerheim was not convicted by the International Tribunal. His case was not sent there (he managed to surrender on time).

[Gen maigr]

On the bunk, without the right of amnesty.

[Leto]

Quote: s-t Petrov

PS board is already dismantled

Did you rename the bridge?

[St Petrov]

what for? I am for leaving his name the same.

[Mikado]

Summer, do not talk about the bridge, you have already "hurray-patriots" showered with minuses. By the way .. I would look at the position of these "patriots", if that was the name of the object in their area. I already deeply nevermind. Everything has already been decided; the matter is political.

[python2a]

"The spoons were returned, but the sediment remained"

[larand]

Quote: c-Petrov

The board is installed illegally ....

But what about the presence of the head of the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation ??? Are they "misled" again? Or not?

[Al1977]

Quote: larand

Quote: c-Petrov

The board is installed illegally ....

But what about the presence of the head of the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation ??? Are they "misled" again? Or not?

Ivanov worked until 1985 in a residency in Finland.
He spent his best years in Finland, good memories ... What is not clear here.
The president and his administration should still consult with the herd, what should they do?
They are God's anointed, if not for them, the West and Obama would have eaten us all for breakfast, but we should pray for them. Their decisions argue only between genius and unrealistic professionalism. So do not la la. Once HE decided so, we need to bend low and take this ingenious and divine move.

[St Petrov]

The president and his administration should still consult with the herd, what should they do?
They are God's anointed, if not for them, the West and Obama would have eaten us all for breakfast, but we should pray for them.

quickly you forgot who should be thankful for the preservation of the Russian Federation. and about Obama very subtly

Why not make a joke? Good king, others hung it for jokes.



And yet I think Obama would have eaten us through the Caucasus, and Tatarstan. I would look at your standard of living if Volodya simply sat down on his throne and decided to leave everything as it is and not deal with solving state problems.

So, in the end, the electorate is also dissatisfied. Here it is - human memory and gratitude)

PS And do not say that the army pulled out the Caucasus. For this army was in 95. The leader simply changed and the result appeared.

PPS Thanks she certainly such a thing - subjective. Someone is given to be grateful and express it, someone is not.

But these jokes directly freeze.

[Al1977]

Quote: s-t Petrov

And yet I think Obama would have eaten us through the Caucasus, and Tatarstan. I would look at your standard of living if Volodya simply sat down on his throne and decided to leave everything as it is and not deal with solving state problems.

No humor, I agree with you, after Putin leaves Russia will fall apart. Every day I pray for Vladimir Vladimirovich, who has provided us with such a standard of living that you can only dream of ... Russia, thanks to him, occupies a worthy place in the world in terms of living standards, social justice, general welfare, etc. There is no Putin in Papua New Guinea and what is there .. You see for yourself .. So I will ALWAYS vote for Putin, Medvedev and the United Russia Party, and no liberals will pass !!!!!

[St Petrov]

Yes, I really do .. it doesn’t matter who you vote for and how, anyway you are in the minority)

Therefore, only endure and joke) as endured and joked already as 10+ years

It's funny to endure and joke)

PS More than 80% of the world's population envy your standard of living. This will become clear if you turn on the head.

[Al1977]

Quote: s-t Petrov

PS More than 80% of the world's population envy your standard of living. This will become clear if you turn on the head.

You can give an example from the remaining 20%. I want to know these lucky ones.
I think there are none. Russia is the center of strength and spiritual excellence, and this is Putin’s sole merit. So I'm waiting for examples .. who are they ...

[St Petrov]

Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Malta, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Greece (Dada), Barbados, Israel, New Zealand, Austria and more. Well, it is about 20% of the population.

and your jokes and fun are worthy of the public on the censor. True, there are already guys with more subtle and sharp jokes.

You don’t have enough jokes about the cello, about the braces and spirituality the reflex has already been worked out, this is already 50% success.

A little more and you will become a handshake character on Echo of Moscow, Rain, Elephant, Voice of Omerika and other "free" portals

And I didn’t invent a company for you, it’s like that itself. You have one channel)

I read our (and not quite ours) liberal press - here are your jokes - templates from the comments there. Nothing interesting and new) Really according to the pattern. Whether it comes to you consciously or not is another matter.

And I often read this on Inosmi.ru - from authors from Poland, the Czech Republic, and Estonia.

Their texts show the same sarcasm and contempt)

So close to Russophobe to reach, through hatred of the Kremlin) We must be careful in this matter)

Prior to this, such jokers joked at the Soviet Union - but in fact they hit Russia and, in particular, their heads.

[St Petrov]

It seems to me that you simply were not lucky with the country of residence, otherwise we always have a weaker standard of living here than in compact countries with a mild climate, and the Kings are fierce from time to time and they do not ask the people for their opinions.

Maybe it’s time for you to apply for a Green Card? change the flag and write - haha ​​I now live at such a standard of living that just WOW, haha ​​vata and you hold on to your braces and I'll go to the supermarket will buy myself a lot of cheap food! And here we have coupons and they can give me food for free! Checkmate!

[Vitaly72]

Maybe it’s not a topic, I studied at a school with a man named Mikhelson, about ten years ago he was taken for w ,,, poo on the Mexican border, so he gave mattresses that he was fleeing the Holocaust and ,,, rolled

[Al1977]

Quote: s-t Petrov

uveit, Saudi Arabia, Malta, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Greece (Dada), Barbados, Israel, New Zealand, Austria and more. Well, it is about 20% of the population.

How can these countries be happy, because he cannot pursue such a sovereign policy as Russia.
also explain why a resident of Greece is happier than a resident of France? nonsense and only

[energy701]

Al1977 - "trembling" you .....

[bakhshiyan rachik]

military combat officers will come to power

[valerei]

Quote: s-t Petrov

And yet I think Obama would have eaten us through the Caucasus, and Tatarstan. I would look at your standard of living if Volodya simply sat down on his throne and decided to leave everything as it is and not deal with solving state problems.

So, in the end, the electorate is also dissatisfied. Here it is - human memory and gratitude)

Gratitude - gratitude, but in this matter you need to know the measure! Here is what Saltykov-Shchedrin said about this: "Everyone is surprised, everyone asks questions: Steal or not steal? To beat in the face or not to beat? And if" not to beat! ", Then immediately: Oh, how generous he is, how great! "
At any job, a person MUST BE CAREFULLY WORK and receive the appropriate salary for this business. And that’s it! And nothing more. The work of the President is not charity: I want - I gave, but I want not.

[quote]

Quote: Al1977

The president and his administration should still consult with the herd, what should they do?

And before "THIS" you (from the herd) consulted? You name at least one country where they are consulted! But of course there is no "spit" there, and there they loudly beat the "bread slicer".
Just do not give examples of voting by mail and marking in ballots with a simple pencil. Tell me the country of "advice"!
But you stopped beating on the move? Hence the result of your post?

[St Petrov]

And before "THIS" you (from the herd) consulted?

This is a very uncomfortable question. But what about - human rights is the main thing and personality is everything? After all, the guy believes in this nonsense) Do not tear him a template.

[Al1977]

Quote: s-t Petrov

This is a very uncomfortable question. But what about - human rights is the main thing and personality is everything? After all, the guy believes in this nonsense) Do not tear him a template.

You know better what the guy believes.
But what is the actual question, which is not very convenient? I clearly expressed that no one would consult with the herd. Now the question is for you. Do you believe the opposite?
Do you believe that someone is interested in your position? Why aren’t you part of the herd?
Or "can you give an example where in the world someone would be consulted"?)))
I’m not doing hypocrisy, and I wrote what I have. A herd is a herd. And as there is "somewhere else", then this is not a question for me. I am a citizen of Russia, I have been and will be. As "there" - I have no idea and not particularly interesting.

[St Petrov]

As "there" - I have no idea and not particularly interesting.

Gozman says the same thing when they give him something as an example - but in omerika - the ideal of democracy - policemen shoot thousands of people (for example). He’s right away like that - but I don’t care how it is - I live here.

Or do you think Venediktov will not find such an answer in a variety of interviews?

Haha

And so you can answer absolutely any example

I say - this is a template - and your company is worthy!)

PS An example is provided for you to compare. For everything is known in comparison. And here we gave an example in order to show you that there is always a people - and those who manage it (also by the way people, not Martians)

And so it has been and always will be - the rest is the wet dreams of a young idealist. I don’t know whether you are young or not. but it's time to take a sober look at things.

[Al1977]

Quote: s-t Petrov

Gozman says the same thing

You know better, judging by the awareness of who says what and where - everything becomes clear to you.
I’m drumming your liberal debates, I don’t know whether you’re at war with Gozman or Putin, I know one thing, you are part of a herd of sheep. With what I congratulate you.

PS I did not understand who Gozman is, what does he have to do with this thread, and why are you hiding behind them? Is this such a new form of trolling? Me, supposedly from this surname should wildly bomb and should begin to make excuses to you? In general, reading you, the feeling that the main thing is to touch you.

[St Petrov]

You are part of a herd of sheep. With what I congratulate you

)) Well, that's the point. The people are not the same. Rams

I’ll leave the rest about trolling without comment.

I have seen such "those who care about life in Rossiyushka and her standard of living" since the 90s.

But Gozman and Latynina are your comrades-in-arms for the struggle. I propose to study these characters and draw conclusions. Although what to study them - to approach the mirror - the same thing.

And if you don’t know who I’m talking about, then I don’t even know who the Troll is here or you just live in a vacuum

[Al1977]

Quote: s-t Petrov

But Gozman and Latynina are your comrades-in-arms

Do not believe it, but I'm not fighting with anyone. I am fine.
I don’t watch political debates on TV for at least two years, and there’s only music in the car, so you can assume that I live in a vacuum.
And the site here seems to be not about wrestling, just for a second. And about different points of view. On the historical forum I read about the same topic. It was interesting, people defended their opinions reasonably. And then some kind of game .. Primitivism, call everyone enemies, shoot. I have one explanation - this is a troll den. That's why I love this site. I don't see such a crowd of nonsense anywhere else))) It amuses) But sometimes ... not often .. but there are people who are able to write reasonable opinions. But 90%, as you wrote, are "comrades-in-arms in the struggle" .. and elderly dreamers of a past life

[St Petrov]

and 10% of lights like you?)

how cute)

Do not believe it, but I'm not fighting with anyone. I am fine.

yeah

There is a good joke about characters like you

“Hello, dear, they just told me on the radio that one crazy man was driving in the opposite direction.” Be careful.
- One??? Yes, there are thousands of them!

the character from the joke also considered the oncoming movement for the rams. Only he considered rams 99% of people, and you only 90)

[Vitaly72]

Let me be kind! what kind of genocide is it by age? continue to live in your vacuum, and there’s nothing to offend people

[Idiot]

Mr. Hitler wanted you to listen to more music and read only car signs. Judging by the stubbornness with which you defend your worthless point of view, you are not a troll - you are a powerful lepricon ...

[Witness 45]

Dreamers of a past life are elderly, there are young, because past life is an attempt, albeit unsuccessful, to realize the centuries-old dream of humanity about justice. And this dream will never die among those who, in addition to worries about a complete feeding trough and tummy, still retain a desire to look at the stars, think about the meaning of life, think about the eternal.

[ordinary]

Quote: Al1977

I live in a vacuum.

that's how it is to be seen ... for ... that's why it lives in a vacum

[vladim.gorbunow]

I do not see the difference between Yarovaya and Latynina. Together they do one thing. Fight for the big one. medium and small business. For his final victory over the people and common sense.

[Vitaly72]

Ek, you are bent! not Martians, they are related to the people only by the presence of the same vices (only in a larger volume), and so, not Martians but Olympians

[St Petrov]

There isn’t enough space for 2 officials on Olympus)

There, the Russian football team has already taken everything.

[ordinary]

Quote: c-Petrov

There isn’t enough space for 2 officials on Olympus)

There, the Russian football team has already taken everything.

SMOOTHY ?!

[Grandfather Luka]

Does this grotesque seem to have specific humor?

[Blondy]

As it is not clear with the legality-illegality. It turns out that our presidential administration will maintain close ties with the "criminals"? I quote

Sergey Ivanov participated in the ceremony of installing the Mannerheim memorial plaque in St. Petersburg
Society June 16, 14:38 UTC + 3
Mannerheim is the national hero of Finland
ST. PETERSBURG, June 16. / TASS /. On Thursday, the head of the Kremlin’s administration, Sergei Ivanov, took part in the ceremony of erecting a memorial plaque in St. Petersburg to Commander-in-Chief of the Finnish Army Karl Mannerheim on the facade of the Military Academy of Logistics on Zakharyevskaya Street in St. Petersburg.

More on TASS:
http://tass.ru/obschestvo/3370390

Or simply the nansha elite screwed up again, testing us for "mankurtism", or, in their coordinate system, an attempt to "squeeze the scoop out of us."

[Altona]

Quote: Blondy

Or simply the nansha elite screwed up again, testing us for "mankurtism", or, in their coordinate system, an attempt to "squeeze the scoop out of us."

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Our government, under the guise of "reconciliation between the reds and whites", the rehabilitation of tsarism in the form of stories about fair and sentimental kings-priests and queens-mothers, is trying to rudely push through the idea of ​​the need for masters and slaves. That is, forget what was taken from the people in 1992-1996, there will be oligarchs and servants, "the results of privatization are unshakable," as VVP said. The "de-Stalinization" and militaristic "patriotism" declared by the GDP fall into the same paradigm. Marxists and other revolutionaries at the turn of the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries fought against tsarism as an archaic form of government, it was necessary to dismantle tsarism in order to create a new society with different possibilities. Moreover, the struggle against tsarism was secondary, the main struggle was for the restructuring of unfair social relations generated by the rapid development of capitalism in Russia, and we are seeing something like this again. By the way, they wanted to overthrow the tsar everything, maybe not even overthrow it, but turn it into a representative figure in a bourgeois parliament and a republican form of government in essence. Now we are being snorted again by the "heroes of yesterday", although we have a recent brilliant Soviet round of history, despite all its flaws, which, incidentally, were created by the current rulers, yesterday's speculators and blackmail. Therefore, they again gather on "economic forums" and scream about changing the notorious raw material model, as if they did not create it, dismantling other industries to please the exporters of raw materials and bankers. That is why "Mannerheim boards" and "monuments to the Reds" are growing here.

[asiat_61]

Are you sure that this is our power? This is their power for them too. Well, we’re just a hindrance, which sometimes we have to put up with. Medvedev himself said that: ... at a high oil price, the government relaxed ... In my opinion they never strained.

[kotvov]

Or simply the nansha elite screwed up again, testing us for "mankurtism", or, in their coordinate system, an attempt to "squeeze the scoop out of us."
I think the check of the electorate is how they will react. It’s dirty all this. I’ll immediately run to campaign for United Russia.

[RUSS]

Quote: s-t Petrov

PS board is already dismantled

It is possible to clean the paint until it is clearly temporarily removed or not ........

[oborzevatel]

Quote: s-t Petrov

PS board is already dismantled

It was necessary to hang in this form:

[Stas57]

Quote: s-t Petrov

PS board is already dismantled

This is not a true infa, you have a lag.

not installed minister-installer

[97110]

Quote: s-t Petrov

PS board is already dismantled

Just now you answered me that "the board has disappeared." Disappeared, so disappeared. Itself has disappeared, there is no one to ask. And if it was "already dismantled", then it was not dismantled by itself. And someone dismantled it. You, as a person who is more informed than we are (isn't it?), Will not reveal the secret of dismantling the board? Are Nazi propagandists covering their tracks? Did the indignation of the memorable Leningraders result in the dismantling of the board? And, most importantly, what's wrong with the board? Is the board good, it seems like a color? Maybe antisocial elements drank it corny?

[St Petrov]

I can tell you how I look for news on the Internet.

Try to open Yandex and drive in - the board is dismantled. And everything will appear there. When I wrote "disappeared" - the word "dismantled" was not written on the Internet.

Now on the news sites of Peter - the word appeared dismantled.

Everything is simple. No need to look for a black cat in a black room - especially if she is not there)

[97110]

Quote: s-t Petrov

especially if she is not there)

It's a pity.

[Idiot]

There is another version of the disappearance of the board, though for this you should know what metal it is made of.

[Dmitriy66]

The cadets did not establish ---- the company did this under a contract with Smolny, and the owner of the board, Medinsky and Ivanov, WILL be paid a fine? where are you laughing?

[python2a]

And the photo shows the head of the Presidential Administration and the Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation. The question arises, but what about their conscience and elementary education in the field of the history of their native country?

[RUSS]

Quote: s-t Petrov

PS board is already dismantled

And herushki, the photo with the removal is a fake, the board weighs!

[Trotil42]

Why are there no names and positions of those bastards who did this? What kind of officers and where is their honor that they hung this shame on the wall .. I’m from Siberia, but there are people in my family who were evacuated from Leningrad in childhood .. my aunt is an orphaned siege, evacuated ... now lives in St. Petersburg .. parents He doesn’t remember .. their memory would be better perpetuated .... go and get a board on Peter’s budget money .. and they would have better pinned the coffin ... from the grave of this bastard ..

[Vasek Trubachev]

The petition must be created! On changjor ----- everyone has been able to do everything for a long time! Especially Regnum their agency - they organize the corresponding PR.

[dsm100]

Stalin would be here ... He would just say: Shoot !!!

[Idiot]

Stalin never uttered this word in public, do not create myths, they are already there. But the Politburo, having consulted, would probably have decided to resume the "Leningrad affair" ...

[svu93]

Where to subscribe? I'm ready!!!

[demchuk.ig]

For such things, you need to be punished, at least administratively! And then it starts to bring many to somewhere in the wrong steppe !!

[Altona]

Medinsky and Ivanov also need mustal. And then in words what kind of patriots they were, but in fact, like two double-dealing collaborators, they ran to "bless" the board.

[Orionvit]

Minimize dismissal, with a ban subsequently holding public office. Maximum term with confiscation, as traitors to the motherland. As for Stalin, it would be nice to again introduce the concept of an enemy of the people. In Russia, they divorced after perestroika immeasurably, and in Ukraine now, in general, half the population. Paradox, Ukrainians are their own enemies.

[Reserve officer]

Medinsky and Ivanov - it's just a solemn retinue at the opening of this board. Although their presence says a lot about moral character. More precisely, about his absence.
But who is the initiator of this shameful epic? I would like to know the hero ...

[Dr. Sorge]

Ivanov, by his position and profession, could not help but know what kind of board and whom they were going to hang.

[Altona]

Quote: Dr. Sorge

Ivanov, by his position and profession, could not help but know what kind of board and whom they were going to hang.

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A collaborator is the worst of the traitors, this is about Ivanov and about Mannerheim. Mannerheim would have been a "tsarist general" if he had not been building shura-mura with Hitler. And if he is "yesterday with Russia, today against, and tomorrow again with Russia," then he is an ordinary landsknecht and a hired killer who will do "the right thing" for money.

[Idiot]

Beria Lavrenty Pavlovich. He is always to blame for everything ... Or Alexander Pushkin. Or maybe together.

[a-cola]

It’s not at all clear what kind of board they decided to hang. Is there something to lick in Finland so that it doesn’t join? You might think that this will help. Black will say - White will.

[razmik72]

Quote: a-cola

It’s not at all clear what kind of board they decided to hang. Is there something to lick in Finland so that it doesn’t join? You might think that this will help. Black will say - White will.

Well, Finland was unlikely to have much to do with this, I’m guessing, who is the initiator of this matter?

[Al1977]

Quote: razmik72

Well, Finland was unlikely to have much to do with this, I’m guessing, who is the initiator of this matter?

I give a hint. Which of those close to the Tsar worked in Finland.
For stupid, the second clue. He is in the photo.

[bk316]

Quote: Al1977

For stupid, the second clue. He is in the photo.

And his nickname is AL1977

[Mikado]

Quote: razmik72

Well, Finland was unlikely to have much to do with this, I’m guessing, who is the initiator of this matter?

I don't even want to think. This is to our yesterday's conversation about monuments. By the way, hello! You know, Razmik, recently the desire to read about politics has disappeared. It is easier to read the section "military history", it is more useful for the nerves.

[Witness 45]

for nerves, it may be more useful, but only, as they say, if you are not involved in politics, then politics will certainly deal with you.

[kolyhalovs]

It’s not at all clear what kind of board they decided to hang.

Otherwise, I can’t assume anything else as a Soviet test. Well, like people pick up or not. The initiator was sort of like the Minister of Culture, our Medina surname. A noteworthy phrase from the wiki about him.

A popularity among readers was brought to Medinsky by a series of low-budget books with their own versions and interpretations of Russian history. Their plots, which the author defines as “historical mythology”, are built on the stereotypical opposition of defenders and enemies of the Fatherland

In short, still inadequate in our minkult steers.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: kolyhalovs

In short, still inadequate in our minkult steers.

He-he-he ... and yet last year for the statement "Medina is not a patriot, but a propagandist and myth-creator, and his work will still come to us sideways"here it was possible not only to fly into a minus, but to break through the bottom.

One thing is good - at last everyone saw the true face of the current Minister of Culture.

[Mikado]

Quote: Alexey RA

He-he-he ... and yet last year for the statement "Medina is not a patriot, but a propagandist and myth-creator, and his work will still come to us sideways"here it was possible not only to fly into a minus, but to break through the bottom.
One thing is good - at last everyone saw the true face of the current Minister of Culture.

Aleksey, the cheers-patriots are not asleep, so you can fly away to the minus now too ..

[Idiot]

I agree. He also has a facial expression: smile, gentlemen, they commit the greatest nonsense with a serious facial expression!

[Vitaly72]

Your words, yes to, to, to, in your ears

[4ekist]

The board was hung AT THE COPPER of the GDP visit to Suomi.

[sever.56]

I disagree with the words in the article: - "THE PEOPLE DOES NOT REVE, THE ANCESTORS HAVE NOT GIVEN US LOVE FOR THE FATHERLAND and DOES NOT ACCEPT THE CONSTITUTION" ...
Nobody asked the people when Mannerheim's board was installed by a bunch of "Ivanov who do not remember their kinship" and spitting into the soul of the people by the very fact of installing this board. They are traitors to the memory of the people!
These are "bells and whistles" and probing of public opinion on what will be the reaction of society to another attempt to justify the enemies of the USSR and Russia. Let us be silent - there will be further provocations.
But the Prosecutor General’s Office doesn’t need to carry out an audit and initiate an administrative case, but a criminal one - on the grounds of an article on the justification of Nazism !!!

[pavelty]

Some kind of sur, some warriors also carry out a military salutation, delirium ...

[The black]

Black will say - white will do

.And then

[16112014nk]

The names of those who conceived and ordered the installation of the board - in the studio!
For the trial of History!

[newcomer]

Yes, this is of course a complete madhouse. tear off the hands of those who signed the order for this sign. damn generally hard to punish all involved, especially the mastermind and the initiator of this betrayal.

[mpzss]

in my opinion, such actions, as with this commemorative plaque, have one goal: to check how the people will react, how they will behave, "swallow" or not this act, if "YES", then great, then the traitors will act more impudently if "NO", they will look for other options ... It's not just that, he took and made this piece of metal, took and hung this scrap on the wall of the house ... There is money and not a little money, from where they came is understandable and for why they were spent is also understandable - to undermine our society, to destroy our memory, to rewrite history ...

[AlexTires]

One must be either a traitor or an idiot in order to place a hangman’s plaque in the hero city. There is something to ponder: who is who in our government ... And on the other hand, the Mannerheim monument seems to be standing in St. Petersburg and nobody cares. It’s strange somehow ...

[Arkan]

Installing a board is a crime to the memory of the dead defenders and residents of Leningrad. An audit of the results of World War II undertaken by the fifth column. Take off immediately.

[goland72]

I am ashamed of Mr. Ivanov!

[Al1977]

Quote: goland72

I am ashamed of Mr. Ivanov!

Order "For Services to the Fatherland" I degree
Order "For Merit to the Fatherland", II degree (January 31, 2003)
Order "For Services to the Fatherland" III degree
Order for Services to the Fatherland, IV degree
Order of Alexander Nevsky [19]
Order of Military Merit [19]

can bring your rewards here before being ashamed of such a person, the right hand of Putin personally, the Collector of Russian Lands !!!

[uskrabut]

It would be nice to clarify how this gentleman deserved such awards. tormented by vague doubts

[goland72]

Therefore, it is a shame that a person with such merits to the Fatherland praises the leader who organized the extermination of my compatriots, my relatives.

[Al1977]

Quote: goland72

Therefore, it is a shame that a person with such merits to the Fatherland praises the leader who organized the extermination of my compatriots, my relatives.

Organized the extermination? Can I have a source?

[goland72]

Just don’t say that Mannerheim knew nothing about the blockade of Leningrad from the Karelian Isthmus! Or do you think that Finnish troops are not involved in the deaths of Leningraders? At least read this if you skipped history lessons at school: http://history.milportal.ru/2015/03/finskie-vojska-v-blokade-leningrada/.

[Al1977]

Do not close your eyes to the obvious facts. In the Leningrad direction, the Finns reached the old border and did not go any further. In addition, they did not allow the Germans to fight in this sector of the front.
Another fact should not be ignored: Stalin personally deleted the name of Mannerheim from the number of war criminals.

[Stas57]

Quote: Al1977

Do not close your eyes to the obvious facts. In the Leningrad direction, the Finns reached the old border and did not go any further.

Is it for Svir? wow and when did she go there?
and when did the old border go along Medvezhyegorsk?
Petrozavodsk?
maybe their KaUR "did not go"? was the intestine?

In addition, they did not allow the Germans to fight in this sector of the front.
Another fact should not be ignored: Stalin personally deleted the name of Mannerheim from the number of war criminals.

drowned ships in Ladoga and fired on the road of life, only for this not a board but an aspen stake

[Stas57]

oops, to whom the map is not visible - the old border is green

[Idiot]

How can you You deny the obvious facts! Where is the proof?!

[Stas57]

like that, yes ... it happens

[valerei]

Quote: Al1977

Another fact should not be ignored: Stalin personally deleted the name of Mannerheim from the number of war criminals.

Stalin chose the lesser of two evils: Let Mannerheim live, and Finland will get out of the war faster, with all the consequences beneficial for the USSR. As the saying goes: "Nothing personal."

[Idiot]

He also took the nickel deposit from the Finns and abolished the neutral waters in the White Sea. This is how one should think about state interests ...

[Idiot]

Crossing out Mannerheim’s name, covered in a cloud of blue smoke, Stalin winced and left Goering’s name on the list. Churchill, drunkenly giggling, suggested listing the Queen of England ...

[Stas57]

Quote: Al1977

Quote: goland72

Therefore, it is a shame that a person with such merits to the Fatherland praises the leader who organized the extermination of my compatriots, my relatives.

Organized the extermination? Can I have a source?

and what for he to you?
I will tell you in accordance with the order of Mannerheim No. 132 of 8 on July 1941 of the year concentration camps were organized for the Russians.
enough?

Yu. Kulomaa in his work “Finnish Occupation of Petrozavodsk, 1941 — 1944” notes that representatives of the “national” population were isolated in concentration and resettlement camps in very small numbers compared to “non-nationals,” for example, in April 1942, Russians made up 96% of all isolated. “Nationals” there were a total of only 621 people, most of them were Karelians, recognized as a result of checks Russified linguistically. They were subsequently released ...

All the recollections of former prisoners of Finnish concentration camps, without exception, say that they led a hungry existence. Hunger drove people to the barbed wire; neither punishment nor the fear of death could hold them back. Usually, children were sent outside the camp, because it was easier for them to slip past the guards. Sometimes soldiers, sparing the children, allocated them bread or cereal from their ration. V. A. Semko, a young prisoner of the Petrozavodsk concentration camp, recalls: “In the spring of 1942, the entire camp was ill with scurvy, and the children had measles. Dysentery was rampant ... 10 — 15 people died daily. They fed very poorly. They gave out some bread with some impurity and grams of 50 rotten sausage for 3 of the day. I always wanted to eat ... "

The fact that civilians, imprisoned during the occupation in concentration camps, were starving, is evidenced by the testimonies of the Finns themselves. So, the captured Finnish soldier of the 13 company of the 20 infantry brigade Toivo Arvid Laine said: “In the first days of June of the 1944 I was in Petrozavodsk. At the Petrozavodsk station, I saw a camp for Soviet children. The camp accommodated children from 5 to 15 years. It was terrible to look at the children. These were small living skeletons dressed in unimaginable rags. The children were so exhausted that they even forgot how to cry and looked at them with indifferent eyes ... ”

Until now, there is no accurate data on how many Soviet people died in Finnish concentration camps for civilians. Finnish historian A. Laine notes that “during the summer months of 1942, about 4 500 people from 22 000 died of malnutrition and disease. In the fall, the situation stabilized and did not worsen. ” According to Finnish researcher G. Rosen, in the Petrozavodsk camps in 1942, 3 017 people died, which amounted to about 15%, and in all camps by the end of 1942, 3 516 people died, mainly these were old people and children. Yu. Kulomaa gives his figures of the deceased in the Petrozavodsk concentration camps in 1941 — 1944. in the book “The Finnish Occupation of Petrozavodsk, 1941 — 1944”: “According to the report compiled after the war on behalf of the Allied Control Commission, in the camps of Jaanislinna (Petrozavodsk - S. V.) 4 003 people died, of which 3 467 people in 1942. In 1943, the death rate in the camps was 442 — 458 people, and from January to June 1944 - a total of 73 people. ”

[KVashentcev]

Boris Nikolaevich awarded, I remember, with such an order of Mr. Chirac. That’s the answer, either the order is not the same or the Fatherland is different with them.
In the Empire, the order with the state eagle instead of the name of the saint was given to non-Christians. Look at "For Services to the Fatherland" and everything will immediately become clear. And his motto is from the Order of St. Equal to the Apostles Great Martyr Prince Vladimir ...

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: Al1977

Order "For Services to the Fatherland" I degree
Order "For Merit to the Fatherland", II degree (January 31, 2003)
Order "For Services to the Fatherland" III degree
Order for Services to the Fatherland, IV degree
Order of Alexander Nevsky [19]
Order of Military Merit [19]

can bring your rewards here before being ashamed of such a person, the right hand of Putin personally, the Collector of Russian Lands !!!

In the leadership of our country, I mean civil, not one Ch.M.O. did not deserve such awards.
And in our region this week they brought a contractor who died in Dagestan, was blown up on a banner, one from his mother. It is clear that signing a contract should have understood where he was going. But then, no ordinary awards are expected for the deceased for his homeland, tomorrow there’s nothing to carry at the funeral, on pillows. But for freaks from the government .......!

[Idiot]

Order with bow or without bow?

[Banishing liberoids]

The main thing is that the precedent has been created, the people do not want to endure the scum officially being glorified as heroes (The fate of those peoples where freaks are honored as heroes is sad)! Now this is about us.

[Al1977]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

The main thing is that the precedent has been created, people do not want to endure that scum officially be glorified as heroes

Did I miss something, or is there a petition for Ivanov’s resignation ??? !!!!
Are you against Putin or members of his administration ???? Read Article 282.

[Volzhanin]

This mimicking chameleon is high time to throw out. Such a slippery tipchik - both yours and ours. Ugh!

[newcomer]

it’s not clear what’s going on in St. Petersburg. this is not the first test of eating activity. Yes, there it is necessary to shake there thoroughly all the local authorities and control bodies. the city must be cleaned from the followers of the "rain".

[uskrabut]

It’s not necessary to start with Peter, but with the government - there the main pests have dug in! only two really deserve ministerial posts: Lavrov and Shoigu (priority in alphabetical order, but not in importance)

[Idiot]

And Maria Zakharova. Zakharov also needs to be left. For example, the Minister of Culture.

[Leto]

REGNUM news agency represented by its General Director Julia Krizhanskaya and Chief Editor, Acting State Advisor of the Russian Federation, 1st class Modest Kolerov, sent an editorial request to the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation

I will express myself with the words of I. Rasteryaev

And time multiplies everything by "zero"
Change generation by generation
And here the wars healed pain
It comes only in spring exacerbation.

Many circled over this pain
Like a raven, like a seagull ... And so happy
As if they want to grab their piece
Concrete-heroic blockade.

[triglav]

Come on, prosecutors, work! The board is urgently to dismantle!

[tundra]

Quote: goland72

I am ashamed of Mr. Ivanov!

In my opinion, everything is in order
graduates on gelenvagenah, shiku across Moscow
why don’t they show off, if before that their curators have just
do not kiss mannerheim in ecstasy

[Al1977]

Quote: tundra

In my opinion, everything is in order
graduates on gelenvagenah, shiku across Moscow

What is the connection?

[Idiot]

Intrauterine.

[Pitot]

And why is Ivanov ashamed? Feeding up nests of boris ..... Nothing strange.

[Al1977]

Quote: Pitot

And why is Ivanov ashamed? Feeding up nests of boris ..... Nothing strange.

And I thought he was the head of the administration of a man with an 80% rating. Which confirms your "nothing strange" even more.

[Dmitry Potapov]

The great statesman of the Russian Federation S.V. Lavrov for all occasions once spoke out very unambiguously! (regarding those who gave the command to hang a sign)

[GEV67]

Ur_oda moral everyone who is involved in this plate! So trample folk memory!

[tundra]

Sorry minus accidentally pressed, + definitely.

[nik-karata]

I fully and fully support Modest Kolerov and Julia Krizhanskaya! Board on .. y !!! In the trash !!!

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Further the words "Hitler's ally" could not be read.
1.Finland joined the anti-German bloc and fought against German forces.
2.SSSR was also an ally of Germany for two years. Only this for inexplicable reasons does not cause indignation.

[nekot]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

Finland joined the anti-German bloc and fought against German forces.

Well, how did you actively lead? And, by the way, it did not join the "anti-German bloc" but fulfilled the conditions of a separate peace with the USSR.
And, for the gifted, the article presents the facts of Mannegraim’s responsibility for cutting communications of Leningrad.
2 years the USSR was an ALLIANCE of Germany? This is with whom the USSR, in alliance with Germany, fought for 2 years? I’m afraid to ask, are you, by any chance, not from nenki, does their revelation remind you very much?)))

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Quote: nekot

Well, and how, actively led?

Active enough to force the Germans to retreat.

Quote: nekot

for cutting communications of Leningrad.

And you on the place of the Finns generously would not surround the enemy? Hannibal is indignant ...

Quote: nekot

This is with whom the USSR, in alliance with Germany, fought for 2 years?

With Poland.

Quote: nekot

2 years the USSR was an ALLIANCE of Germany?

Enemies do not shake hands.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

Enemies do not shake hands.

Then Great Britain in 1938 was an ally of the Reich. For there is a famous photo of the handshake of Chamberlain and Hitler (if it did not fall off, then see below).

And what, besides allies and enemies, there are no other gradations? Have you stopped drinking cognac in the morning? Answer - yes or no?
Your neutrals shook hands with all parties to the conflict.

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

With Poland.

Which according to the results of 1938 itself could be recognized as an ally of Germany.
So the USSR was just removing one of the German allies from the game.

[Retvizan 8]

I would probably recall here the "Pilsudski-Hitler" agreement from 1934. About which the Poles and some of our comrades are so modestly trying to keep silent!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Retvizan 8

I would probably recall here the "Pilsudski-Hitler" agreement from 1934. About which the Poles and some of our comrades are so modestly trying to keep silent!

On the possible friendship of Poland and Germany, the Poles are still furiously and squatting draw ... dream:

We could find a place on the Reich side almost the same as Italy and, probably, better than Hungary or Romania. As a result, we would be in Moscow, where Adolf Hitler, together with Rydz-Smigly, would host the parade of victorious Polish-German troops. The sad association, of course, is the Holocaust. However, if you think about it well, you can come to the conclusion that a quick victory for Germany could mean that it would not have happened at all. Since the Holocaust was largely a consequence of German military defeats.

© Pavel Vechorkevich - Professor at the Historical Institute of the University of Warsaw. He specializes in the study of the history of Russia and the USSR, military history, as well as the recent history of Poland. Author of numerous books and articles, incl. "Campaign of 1939" (2001), "Circle of Death. Purge in the Red Army 1937-1939" (2001), "Political History of Poland 1935-1945" (2005).

[V.ic]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

Enemies do not shake hands.

At that time, Germany and the USSR were not at war. The railing of the bridge is visible in the picture, which means some kind of border rivulet. Meeting in neutral territory. The protocol obliged ...

[nekot]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

Active enough to force the Germans to retreat.

Yeah, for 8 months they left Lapland, and the loss of each side for 1000 people. Briefly there is: https://topwar.ru/18889-vyhod-finlyandii-iz-voyny-i-laplandskaya-voyna.html

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

And you on the place of the Finns generously would not surround the enemy? Hannibal is indignant ...

Do not try to turn the arrows on operational-tactical issues - the ethics of installing a memorial plaque to the enemy (as you yourself said) in the city that he helped strangle is discussed.

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

With Poland.

That's how he fought for 2 years with Poland (September 17-29, 1939, after Poland had already been defeated by the Wehrmacht).

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

Do not shake hands with the enemies

Brilliantly)) What a substitution of concepts - if not an ally then an enemy, there is no third))

[RUSS]

Quote: nekot

2 years the USSR was an ALLIANCE of Germany?

There was a general parade in Poland in the 39th.

[nekot]

Quote: RUSS

There was a general parade in Poland in the 39th.

Is this you justifying the thesis that the USSR from 1939 to 1941 was an ally of Germany? So all the same, with whom the USSR and Germany fought side by side from 1939 to 1941?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

Further the words "Hitler's ally" could not be read.
1.Finland joined the anti-German bloc and fought against German forces.

In 1944, when the Finnish army came the northern furry animal.
And before that, starting on June 22, the Finns fought on the side of the Germans. Yes, I was not mistaken - the Finns actually entered the war on June 22, having begun minefields in Soviet waters, remilitarized Aland and sent saboteurs to blow up the LBC locks.
However, about the allied Finns was still talking about the demoniac in the radio message to the German nation on the occasion of the declaration of war of the USSR:

German people! At the moment, the greatest in terms of length and volume of the troops’s performance, which the world has seen. In alliance with the Finnish comrades are the fighters of the winner at Narvik at the Arctic Ocean. German divisions under the command of the conqueror of Norway defend, together with the Finnish heroes of the struggle for freedom, Finnish land under the command of their marshal.

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

2.SSSR was also an ally of Germany for two years. Only this for inexplicable reasons does not cause indignation.

And can an agreement on the union of the USSR and Germany be?
Well, or at least the facts of the subordination of the Red Army formations to the German command or the regular use by the backlashes of Soviet airfields to work on the Allies? And then after all, the Finns transferred their units in northern Finland to German command a week before the German attack on the USSR. The backlash sat on Finnish airfields in the morning of June 22.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Alexey RA

In 1944, when the Finnish army came the northern furry animal.

Romania sent about 300 people to the eastern front - its military contribution to aggression against the USSR was second after German. But this circumstance was shallow in comparison with the fact that in the engines of almost all tanks, planes, trucks and motorcycles rushing towards Moscow, Leningrad and Kiev, Romanian fuel was burning. In comparison with other Nazi allies - Hungary, Finland and Bulgaria - Romania proved to be not only the most diligent at the front, but also an order of magnitude more ferocious in relation to Hitler's Semitic enemies. And when in 000 a furry animal crept up to them, they quickly sided with the anti-Hitler coalition, and King Mihai was even awarded the Order of Victory. That's it ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Bayonet

And when in 1944 a furry animal crept up to them, they quickly sided with the anti-Hitler coalition, and King Mihai was even awarded the Order of Victory. That's it ..

Well, Romanians are generally a classic case of jumping shoes.

However, to the credit of the Romanians it is worth noting that they began to fight with the Germans right during the transition to the Allied side. And not like the Finns - after the promptings from the USSR.
Moreover, the Romanian units even after the liberation of Romania from the Germans fought shoulder to shoulder with the Soviet army:

The total losses of the Romanian troops after August 1944 amounted to 129 people, of which 316 people died, died from wounds and disappeared, 37 were wounded and sick.

The Finns squeezed out the Germans in the North - and calmed down.

[V.ic]

Quote: Alexey RA

The Finns squeezed out the Germans in the North - and calmed down.

Yes, it would be very interesting to see the landing of Finnish troops in Pomerania!

[V.ic]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

Finland joined the anti-German bloc and fought against German forces.

This is in 1944, and from June 1941 to September 1944 did they distribute cookies?

[Valter1364]

Everything was much easier. Medinsky and Ivanov opened a working quotation book by V.S. Chernomyrdin, read: "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always!" Well, let's go put up a memorial plaque!

[V.ic]

Quote: Valter1364

Well, let's go hang a memorial plaque!

Well, and they themselves next to the board ... behind the "Faberge" ...

[Taygerus]

for this is not something that you need to remove from posts, but also in a cage, so many lives are put because of this nits, and he has a memorial board, it’s time for the prosecutor’s office to work out his bread

[Sidel45]

Completely for removing the plaque to Hitler's henchman Mannerheim! It is impossible to insult Leningrad and Leningradites, and indeed the entire Russian people.

[pig killer]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

The USSR was also an ally of Germany for two years.

Give the details of the union agreement of Germany and the USSR, pzhl.

[cheburator]

Do not strain people reminding of dubious personalities!

[Stinger]

REGNUM news agency represented by its General Director Yulia Krizhanskaya and Chief Editor, Acting State Advisor of the Russian Federation, 1st class Modest Kolerov, sent an editorial request to the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation Yuri Chaika

Respect to these people from the news agency. And the leadership of St. Petersburg and the educational institution obviously work as lackeys for comrades Medinsky and Ivanov.

[avg-mgn]

The people said their word, the prosecutor's office summed up the disputes, only the bureaucrats did not understand what had happened, and it was not their lot to think.

[97110]

Quote: avg-mgn

The people said their word, the prosecutor's office summed up the disputes, only the bureaucrats did not understand what had happened, and it was not their lot to think.

The people are strong. Something even on VO is not even visible. Take a look at the petitions against the boards for signing. I remember that for the 2 most "popular" there were not even 1000 signatures. After a week of hovering. The prosecutor's office received an appeal from Regnum. There will be a reaction. What - mb. find out. Where is the result of the dispute summed up? Prosecutors, what's wrong with you? The question is not clear to them at all. You do not seem to have any business with the prosecutor's office. Not even a single district police officer will sum up so recklessly. And here - the PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE! And there - what people! Don't write nonsense about officials. Their destiny is just to think. Measure seven times. And again seven times. Maybe the solution will come from where they did not expect. And foolishly fall on ... open, as you demand? What are they, (Lavrov's words)?

[RUSS]

Quote: avg-mgn

the prosecutor’s office summed up the disputes,

Until I let you down.

[mitya24]

Eeeeeh ..... we do not want to learn from the mistakes of others, we need to make our own. In / in Ukraine, too, everything starts with bas-reliefs, the Uniate crosses continued, and how it ended, everyone knows

[Bayonet]

Quote: mitya24

In / in Ukraine, too, everything with bas-reliefs

Also, with the desecration of monuments and bas-reliefs.

[RUSS]

Agency REGNUM- handsome men, well done - they made a good advertisement to their agency! Commerce, what to say!

[Enoch]

Kerensky chicks ...

[Rom14]

Quote: larand

Quote: c-Petrov

The board is installed illegally ....

But what about the presence of the head of the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation ??? Are they "misled" again? Or not?

..this is a stab in the back ....

[PValery53]

Perpetuating the memory of Mannerheim was a blatant and defiant act of contempt for the memory of the dead and living Leningrad blockade. This is a felony.

[drop]

May God truly triumph. This shame must be removed from the building of the military institute. The Prosecutor General must answer the request, and I know that the deputies of the Legislative Assembly of St. Petersburg have already sent a letter to the Governor that the board was installed in violation of the laws of the city on the Neva.
In "VO" I gave a lot of facts about the fascist essence of Mannerheim and his deeds to destroy the Russian people. He is a lie to our country. I am waiting for the results of the investigation. I have the honor.

[plow]

How easy it is to make a kaku and how hard it is to correct what was done. Either those who gave permission, traitors, personally interested, or just a corrupt, stupid chm, who cares about money, everything else is on the side, or enthusiastic romantics who have read fairy tales about the "great military theorist and researcher", therefore, also stupid chm, just do not know about all the evil that this "researcher" brought Russia. In any case, it is necessary to give on the horns so that they and others of the same kind will remember: "Measure seven times and cut once."

[infantry76]

Lord comrades!
It is somehow incomprehensible the participation of the head of the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation, S. B. Ivanov, and the Minister of Culture, V.R. Well, someone who, and they must know the story, especially the Minister of Culture. He is a historian by training. He wrote books about the myths of the war of 1941-45. This is the first! And secondly, where were the military historians, the city government, the AP, the public? Why was such a decision made without their knowledge and coordination with them? It’s necessary to understand! Such blunders should not be allowed!
I have the honor!

[97110]

Quote: infantry76

He is a historian by training.

The thought is alien. "College does not provide competence. College provides diploma."

[Shamsik]

If this mannerheim would be alive now, he would now actively act against us. I hope no one doubts this? And we are a monument to him. Damn, are you up there even at least sometimes thinking? Or you just need to cut off the ribbon, light up in front of the cameras, push the speech, and whoever doesn’t care on the memorial plaque.

[K-50]

Someone needs all these "praises" of war criminals, to whitewash the enemy, to change history.
Earlier, for this, the house-prison would definitely be. The FSB should take such "praises" for the Faberge and for the tsugunder or felling !!!!!!!!

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Quote: K-50

war criminals

One who is not convicted cannot be called a criminal.

[4ekist]

We have a dime a dozen such thieves, not criminals. And our courts are "on top" - the most humane and fair, but only to the "chosen ones"

[kotvov]

One who is not convicted cannot be called a criminal. ,,
Of course, cemeteries are not evidence.

[Al1977]

Quote: K-50

Someone needs all these "praises" of war criminals, to whitewash the enemy, to change history.
Earlier, for this, the house-prison would definitely be. The FSB should take such "praises" for the Faberge and for the tsugunder or felling !!!!!!!!

Who are these traitors? !!!

[Siberian]

And what, in St. Petersburg ordinary hooligans transferred? Or is a board guarded by cameras and guarded? The issue is resolved late at night. In the light. The prosecutor’s showdown is a long time, let it stretch to itself in parallel.

[Flatter]

Someone, under the sights of cameras, needed to witness a loss in the new Cold War.

[Tamerlan I]

The "Mannerheim Line" became famous in Russian (Soviet) historiography as a symbol of the inaccessibility of the object and the valor of the Red Army that defeated it, now the "Mannerheim board" has become a symbol of baseness and opportunism ...
By hanging the "Mannerheim plaque" the authorities (Putin, Ivanov, Medinsky and others) demonstrated their "values" to us, declaring openly to the people - get out of there.
What patriotism, nothing personal, only economic expediency, but on May 9 these "patriots" will trample in the columns of the Immortal Regiment, because on this day economic expediency is secondary for them, but only on this day. In fact, by establishing such places of "memory", we are no different from our Ukrainian "partners", we are not jumping yet, but then ...

[atamankko]

A very unworthy act, like the opening of the EBN center.

[4ekist]

Quote: Theophanes

The Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation seems to be hanging the board? The liberals will soon set Hitler and Himler on Red Square, and Edin.Ros will put out an unlimited guard of honor! And make post No. 1!

The board is not appropriate. In the Rostov region in the territory of private households there is a monument to SS General Krasnov.

[kotvov]

. In the Rostov region in the territory of private households there is a monument to SS General Krasnov. ,,
suggest burning?

[4ekist]

I do not propose, but inform. And the court cannot do anything.

[Siberian]

We are discussing a foolish board here. And our gallant bailiffs betrayed the outskirts of Kharkov journalist Andrei Wart. How could this be allowed? The board can be removed, but a person can be taken from the SBU ...

[Old warrior]

Well, how many times to say - they test us for strength, how much we can spit in our souls and mock our memory. intellectuals who pour snot in Poland: doesn’t such a thing as Tishinskaya oblast say anything to you?

[misljachii]

I respected even more REGNUM! Respect to them!

[gendir.grifon]

This is a clear provocation of the federal government, because “Messrs.” Ivanov and Medinsky were present at the opening of this board. These people couldn't help but know what they were doing. In general, especially recently, attempts to rehabilitate all sorts of whites, emigrants and other gentlemen from Paris have become more frequent. Do you want New Year 1917?

[Mentat]

Quote: gav6757

First Mannerheim, then Vlasov ...
Serdyukov and Vasilyeva are also rehabilitated ...
What creates this party of power is incomprehensible to the mind!
https://vk.com/id16217314?z=photo-56245190_421682964%2Fwall16217314_2697

What does the board and the party in power have to do with it?
If this had been “done,” as you say, intentionally and directly by the party in power, no appeals to the prosecutor’s office from REGNUM would have even appeared in the media. REGNUM agency is federal printed organ. You shouldn’t consider everyone around you so naive.

[kunstkammer]

my opinion is this: if this plaque had been installed inside the educational institution, not in honor of Mannerheim specifically, not so mocking the memory of the tortured besieged residents of Leningrad and not so pompously installed (one should be more modest), but simply with an inscription, for example: “These people studied at our university" - it would be much fairer.
By the way, very interesting historical figures studied in many of our universities. But many people don't know this. Even sometimes the graduates of these institutions themselves do not know.
It's a pity. You need to know history and remember everything.

[Voenoboz]

It seems to me that they are probing for rottenness.

[Brigadier]

Quote: gendir.grifon

This is a clear provocation of the federal government, because “Messrs.” Ivanov and Medinsky were present at the opening of this board. These people couldn't help but know what they were doing. In general, especially recently, attempts to rehabilitate all sorts of whites, emigrants and other gentlemen from Paris have become more frequent. Do you want New Year 1917?

What will happen to Ivanov? If he is kicked out of office for setting up Putin, he will go over the hill, as they all do, and begin to “expose” there... I think that he will have the money to move. After all, in the end, it was not for no reason that they decided to erect this anti-Russian monument! Think about it... The main thing here is that thanks to such “personnel” the people’s trust rating in the president is gradually decreasing! This is the saddest thing... It all starts small, and someday such “helpers” will fundamentally set Putin up if he does not clean out the “Augean stables” of the Kremlin in a timely manner! And with the help of such gentlemen, the new year 17 may be just around the corner... Our people see everything and draw their own conclusions...

[pepel]

The prosecutor's office should take a closer look at the work of the Minister of Culture, who runs around with memorial plaques of the enemies of RUSSIA.

[sogdianec]

Even it seems to me that the political situation has obscured the eyes of the ministers, they began to forget about their civic position, conscience and dignity. It is unlikely that a criminal case will be initiated; the “Finnish hero” is not recognized as a war criminal. Here the moral side is more lame. They gave the command from above to kiss the Finns on the butt, the ministers held their visor up, they were no longer supposed to think. I would like to know which presidential advisers are responsible for such decisions? They say correctly, politics is a dirty business, honest politicians do not live long.

[user3970]

Well, why say that the entourage is “setting up” the president? Well, did the Entourage force the president to bend his spine to the Poles with an apology for Katyn or lay flowers at Mannerheim’s grave in Finland? Regarding the mausoleum in Jobnburg... We must not forget that Grandma Naina and Dad Chubais are still alive. The fact that our president is controlled and guta-perchy is also evident from the latest events regarding Turkey. Friends Miller and Sechin pressed and please, Erdogan went from sworn enemies to shaking hands with friends. Question: does gdp really come from St. Petersburg? Thanks to him, a lot of bad things are happening there. Poltachenko, bridge, board...

[bratchanin3]

And in general, such “patriots -> patriots” like Ivanov and others like him have no place in the power of Russia.

[Volzhanin]

Oops? Is it really possible that this abomination still hasn’t been removed and/or destroyed? Get to work! Is there a company of machine gunners guarding her? Or there are no ultra-patriots and ultra-nationalists in St. Petersburg! Wonderful are your works, Lord!

[Pushkar]

Quote: Volzhanin

Oops? Is it really possible that this abomination still hasn’t been removed and/or destroyed? Get to work! Is there a company of machine gunners guarding her? Or there are no ultra-patriots and ultra-nationalists in St. Petersburg! Wonderful are your works, Lord!

They removed this abomination. They removed it quietly. In general, EdRo seems to be falling into the same insanity as the CPSU of the 80s.

[Dr. Sorge]

Where is the info that they filmed it? :) Do you have a photo of the absence of the board?

[prior]

There is nothing to comment. "Zrada" in Russian.

[Lily]

A modern Russian official of the highest rank can lie, steal, harm and betray.

[sogdianec]

Quote: Lily

A modern Russian official of the highest rank can lie, steal, harm and betray.

A banal statement.
Not only modern, not only Russian, not necessarily high-ranking and not always an official.

[123_123]

Quote: gav6757

Serdyukov and Vasilyeva are also rehabilitated ...

...also a bridge named after a former terrorist...

[zhvakin]

So they can put up memorial signs for Vlasov. One is where he was captured. The second is where he was hanged. The second would be preferable.

[Dr. Sorge]

Anyone from Leningrad, write, is the board still hanging? There is a photo on the Internet of a supposedly removed board (place), but a photo of another wall, without rustication and green.

[Mengad]

I'm wondering? and who is the author of the idea of ​​​​installing the board? who made it? who initiated it? Any information?

[Alexxeg73]

Wikipedia writes in the part of “perpetuation” this, including: “...On June 14, 2007, on the 140th anniversary of the birth of K. G. Mannerheim, a bust “Cavalier Guard Mannerheim” (sculptor Aidyn Aliev) was erected in St. Petersburg and An exhibition dedicated to his life and work has been opened (Shpalernaya Street, 41, Marshal Hotel)..."
That is, the bust of this figure has existed in St. Petersburg for 9 years, as has the exhibition. What to do with this?
PS. Moreover, having gone to the website of the Marshall Hotel, I found there a whole section “Mannerheim Museum”. They are alive and well.

[Gen maigr]

We will live to see the rehabilitation of fascism if we endure all this crap.

[Radical]

Quote: Koshak

Quote: Theophanes

Does the Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation seem to hang a board?

The board was also hung by Sergey Ivanov, Head of the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation. With all due respect to the president, how could such a fraud be allowed from a subordinate? Or did the liberals also buy Ivanov? I do not envy Putin with such an environment. One can clean this rot - for a long time, with one blow - it is possible ... Maybe for this the National Guard is being created. One hope for the wisdom of our president.

Are you serious?

[You Vlad]

There is an opinion that he worked for us. Ivanov, a former intelligence officer, probably got acquainted with something in the archives! He became the President of Finland only in August 1944 and immediately began to look for a way out of the war.