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Life after Brexit: we need the axis Paris-Berlin-Moscow (Mediapart, France)

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Now a whole sea of ​​comments and proposals is raging around, both in Europe and the USA, which is directly related to the trick of their closest British allies.

From the moment of this event, only a few days have passed, which is extremely small for an objective commentator to form an idea of ​​further consequences and, especially, an opinion about what France needs. Therefore, one has to make serious simplifications, and the course of events can quickly refute all theories.

Be that as it may, there are now three perspectives for the future.

And they all vary greatly.

First: nothing will happen. All the financial and political forces of the Anglo-Saxons, who were taken aback by the unexpected results of the vote, will react in the same way. They will do everything to slow down the exit process and undermine it. And in the role of the UK in the EU, nothing will change radically.

The second: (reinforces the first and looks more plausible): Washington and Wall Street, which from 1950-s decided to put the EU at the service of their geostrategic and economic interests (in particular, because they are against Moscow), will use all of their existing (and very serious) means that nothing has changed. They will introduce their people into European governments and decision-making centers so that they remain under their control even after Brexit.

Third: (if not the most likely, then the most desired): Brexit will accelerate the collapse of US rule. Controlled by American interests of the EU will collapse under the pressure of the desire of peoples for independence. An increasing number of small and even large countries will decide to follow the lead of the UK, to leave the EU to make decisions on their own policies and alliances. It marks the end of NATO-controlled Americans. In the United States themselves, the isolationist and anti-capitalist electorate will declare itself.

Three Ways for France

In such circumstances, we can outline three decisions that can be negotiated by governments, but should receive the approval and support of the majority of the electorate.

First: participation in the cardinal reorganization of the European Union. It will be a question of a real European federation with six or seven key countries. The Federation, as is implied, implies the approval of Parliament, the President and the Government, general laws and regulations, foreign, defense and economic policies. Member States will retain their own political institutions, but they will not be able to contradict the federal ones.

In France, it will be objected that in such a federation Germany will dominate. But this means an underestimation of the resources of our country. Coupled with the capabilities of the Latin countries, they will be able to fill the essential gaps of Germany, because here we are talking not only about the economy, but about all the other attributes of power.

The second: exit from the EU and the eurozone following the example of Great Britain. If she can, then France can do it with her significant (albeit other) resources. The task of survival in solitude, of course, involves unused forces of the country and the population.

Third: participation in the axis Paris-Berlin-Moscow. It is likely that the German and Russian governments will agree on the conclusion of a new Treaty of Rapall. It was signed by Weimar Germany and the USSR 16 on April 1922 of the year, but never received a continuation. Be that as it may, many influential forces in Germany and Russia are now considering such a perspective. They could combine their capabilities to develop the northern and polar territories, in particular, because of the prospect of climate warming. In addition, they could equally negotiate with China and develop cooperation in the BRICS.

An exception to such an alliance would, of course, be a disaster for France. She would have become a very small power, despite all the possibilities. At the same time, within the framework of the Paris-Berlin-Moscow axis, it could develop and use all of its potential resources. Given the possible decline of the United States, a second (after China?) Or even the first world power could have been formed. A number of French politicians are beginning to understand this, but they run up against the anti-Sovietism inherited from the Cold War, which is strongly supported by Washington. That supporters of this decision, at last, heard, it will be required to put a lot of forces.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 7 July 2016 18: 13
    +23
    "It will be about a real European federation with six or seven key countries."

    This is the only option for a viable EU.

    "The German and Russian governments will agree on the conclusion of a new Rapallo Treaty. It was signed by Weimar Germany and the USSR on April 16, 1922, but never received a continuation. Be that as it may, now many influential forces in Germany and Russia are considering such a prospect."

    The worst nightmare of the Anglo-Saxon world at all times. yes
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 7 July 2016 18: 36
      +33
      We are too different.
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 7 July 2016 18: 42
        +4
        "Axis" in the world will be one ... Russia and our main allies ARMY and NAVY! And that's all ... Now they are starting to stick around again and want to be the first to skim the cream ...
        It will not work gentlemen! negative Thank you all for the cruel lesson you taught us in the 90s ..
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 7 July 2016 19: 06
          +9
          When London leaves, it is obvious that euro subsidies for weak EU countries will be cut - this is the main reason for other countries to leave. That is why they panic in the Baltics, Poland and other "backward" countries. Many will run to seek their fortune in more developed countries. The second wave of the tsunami of migrants, after refugees from BV, will cover the EU. Imagine also that England begins to demand the return of its investments in the EU countries.
          So their option that everything remains as before will not work. And it is unlikely that anyone will now agree on something global with the EU until everything settles down (falls apart, does not fall apart).
          Yes, the very first test for "lice" the EU strained to collapse. I wonder how quickly the standard of living will begin to fall in the weak countries of Eastern Europe? Either the USSR subsidized them with cheap energy resources, then the EU - but they themselves can survive !? The United States will surely wash its hands economically, and will be inviting to the Atlantic Trade Union. hi
          1. Khariton
            Khariton 7 July 2016 20: 06
            -7
            Quote: Kasym
            With the exit of London, it is obvious that Eurodotations for weak EU countries will be curtailed - this is the main reason for the exit of other countries.

            As I understand it, the Anglo-Saxons are moving to China ... (Europe did not live up to their hopes ...) Now they will prepare a "Chinese invasion" of Russia ... Well, well ..
        2. Asadullah
          Asadullah 7 July 2016 19: 07
          +8
          It will not work gentlemen! negative Thank you all for the cruel lesson you taught us in the 90s.


          There is a slightly different "axis". It reflects such a phenomenon that it is twice as expensive to deliver goods from Germany to France as from France to Germany. Why? And because trucks go to France fully loaded, and back half empty. Germany is an incredibly powerful industrial country. What does such a country need? First, the markets. And one more thing, resources. All the rest is unimportant. The EU for Germany is the largest market. France for Germany, a Trojan horse for this market. Russia for Germany, a reliable supplier of resources. UK for Germany? Representative of US interests. Concurrently a non-commissioned widow after Brexit.

          So this axis does not define Russia, it offers Russia to realize its interests.
          1. Khariton
            Khariton 7 July 2016 20: 27
            -5
            Quote: Asadullah
            It will not work gentlemen! negative Thank you all for the cruel lesson you taught us in the 90s.


            There is a slightly different "axis". It reflects such a phenomenon that it is twice as expensive to deliver goods from Germany to France as from France to Germany. Why? And because trucks go to France fully loaded, and back half empty. Germany is an incredibly powerful industrial country. What does such a country need? First, the markets. And one more thing, resources. All the rest is unimportant. The EU for Germany is the largest market. France for Germany, a Trojan horse for this market. Russia for Germany, a reliable supplier of resources. UK for Germany? Representative of US interests. Concurrently a non-commissioned widow after Brexit.

            So this axis does not define Russia, it offers Russia to realize its interests.

            You do not understand Russia .... We do not want to live according to your rules and we will not ..! Moscow can negotiate there, and the rest of Russia lived and will live according to its own rules ..! Ё mine ... France, Germany sets conditions for us? They will answer for this and then they will remember the Russians for another 200 years!
            Stupid for all centuries ... (you will have a caliphate ... it will be easier there))))
            1. Asadullah
              Asadullah 7 July 2016 21: 04
              +9
              You do not understand Russia .... We do not want to live according to your rules and we will not ..


              ..... said Tambov Tula laughing Hariton bl, the axis is not the rule, the axis is the point of the report. And as an opportunity, it is to live by their own rules. Is there a threat to Russia from Germany? There is no threat to Russia from Germany. Is Germany a threat from Russia? There is no threat from Germany from Russia. Can countries cooperate without imposing their charters on each other? They can and cooperate. Collaborate through the tremendous pressure of the Americans and the British. This is what we need to concentrate on.
              1. Cheshire
                Cheshire 8 July 2016 07: 33
                0
                The union of Russia and Germany is indeed a terrible dream for many, which is why it will not be realized. Unfortunately for us and the Germans, because in a union we would become the most powerful state on the planet.
                Any riffraff like Gypsies and Poles and Chukhons do not count
                1. Al1977
                  Al1977 8 July 2016 12: 59
                  0
                  Quote: Cheshire
                  The union of Russia and Germany is indeed a terrible dream for many, which is why it will not be realized. Unfortunately for us and the Germans, because in a union we would become the most powerful state on the planet.
                  Any riffraff like Gypsies and Poles and Chukhons do not count

                  And Russia as the younger brother in this union or the elder?
                  Are you ready to live by German rules? Or will the Germans be ours?
            2. Mikhail Krapivin
              Mikhail Krapivin 8 July 2016 08: 17
              0
              Quote: Chariton
              You do not understand Russia .... We do not want to live according to your rules and we will not ..! Moscow can negotiate there, and the rest of Russia lived and will live according to its own rules.


              Yah?! Is it true ?! Is this how the rest of Russia will not fulfill Moscow's will? And where will she go, the rest of Russia? Who will ask her then? Even as it will be, and "meow" no one dares to say, and if he dares, then only in a whisper and under the covers. After the story with Turkey, when "by the decision of the party and government" until 12 noon today we all hate Turkey, but after 12 noon we all already adore it, I would not be surprised at anything. As in that advertisement - "I said to my mother, then to my mother!" They will say tomorrow from Moscow - to NATO! and we'll run like cute ones, supporting our pants as we go so that they don't fall off with joy ..
        3. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 7 July 2016 19: 53
          +3
          Old-old France song:
          Where to go, where to go?
          Whom to find, to whom to surrender ...
      2. Shurik70
        Shurik70 9 July 2016 20: 30
        +1
        Quote: Thrall
        We are too different.

        In fact, the United States and England wanted to add France to the allies of the Nazis, along with Italy and Japan. Indeed, only as prisoners of war, fighting for Germany, 23.136 French were officially registered in the USSR. And how many were killed, or who escaped in time?
        Ask in Yandex the question "how many Frenchmen participated in the resistance."
        The first link - 18 Frenchmen participated in the partisan movement on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR.
        In France itself, it also seemed to be something ... If you believe the films and cartoons. But here's how much - it's hard to find even Yandex.
        I don't know why Stalin made them "good".

        So nafig-nafig us such "friends".
        Let their "Ministries" trade with whom. And we can live without the French.
        Yes, I would like to be friends with the Germans tightly.
    2. 222222
      222222 7 July 2016 22: 33
      +1
      EU recipients
      1. 222222
        222222 7 July 2016 22: 34
        0
        Es givers ..
  2. bubalik
    bubalik 7 July 2016 18: 14
    +12
    ,,, all of them to Moscow ... axis, and Paris, and Berlin ,,
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 7 July 2016 18: 32
      +10
      Quote: bubalik
      ,,, all of them on the Moscow axis ... and Paris, and Berlin ,,

      laughing
      It seems to me that we will also pull Lisbon on this axis ... repeat
      Hi! drinks
      1. izya top
        izya top 7 July 2016 18: 37
        +3
        At the same time, within the framework of the Paris-Berlin-Moscow axis, it could develop and use all its potential resources.

        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
        we will also pull Lisbon on this axis ...

        and xep them Varnetsem not smear?
        py.sy.zdorov, helmets hi
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 7 July 2016 18: 44
          +2
          Quote: izya top
          do not spread with jam?

          To translate jam fig? request
          1. evil partisan
            evil partisan 7 July 2016 18: 52
            +5
            Quote: Vladimirets
            To translate jam fig?

            Those. mustard after all? what
            Quote: izya top
            Dorov, Helmets

            Pigive, Isenka! drinks
            1. izya top
              izya top 7 July 2016 21: 25
              +2
              Quote: Angry Guerrilla
              Pigive, Isenka!

              come on tomorrow afternoon drinks and? recourse
      2. bubalik
        bubalik 7 July 2016 18: 42
        +5
        evil partisan (3) RU  Today, 18: 32 ↑ It seems to me that we will also pull Lisbon on this axis ... 
        ,,,Well winked if you try and through the puddle also on axis will fall laughing
        drinks ,,, oh I feel for the flood myself on the axis do not run wassat
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  3. Stena
    Stena 7 July 2016 18: 15
    +5
    And someone asked the Russians - do we need such an axis?
    Probably only in the framework of the collapse of NATO.
    The cunning French are trying to live here at the expense of others. Apparently - only she will correct the hunchback ...
    First put the Mistral. Then repay the debt - for the expropriation of the Russian Imperial Fleet. Then you can think about it ....
    1. zart_arn
      zart_arn 7 July 2016 18: 28
      -7
      In fact, close economic rapprochement with Europe is vital for Russia. Russia in the 21st century is not a self-sufficient country at all. The disastrous course of the current leadership, which has proclaimed the Russian Federation as an "Energy Superpower" (remember - until recently, many people flooded about this here?) Brought the country's manufacturing economy to what it is. Only mutually beneficial (I emphasize, mutually beneficial) cooperation with economically developed Europe can give an impetus to the economic development of the Russian Federation.
      Any business projects require investments, production requires huge investments. Do you think our state and the oligarchs want and are able to do this? I strongly doubt it. China? Better to be peaceful from such friends, but stay away from them. The rest of the world can hardly give anything to Russia. So that leaves "Geyropa", whoever says anything. And the Christian mentality is still the same for all the priestly squabbles.
      1. demchuk.ig
        demchuk.ig 7 July 2016 18: 39
        +11
        Quote: zart_arn
        For any business projects, investments are needed, for production - huge investments. Do you think our state and the oligarchs want and are able to do this

        We have Putin struggling with NATO, and the Medvedev government with the Russian people! That's all business projects!
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      3. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 7 July 2016 19: 28
        +6
        Quote: zart_arn
        close economic rapprochement with Europe Russia is vital

        That's right, but not on the condition that we are left with broth from boiling eggs. Putin very seriously showed Europe how to live without Russia. And now it is not they who should set conditions for us, but WE should set them. And they should dance to our tune. The 90s are over - we ate stinky hamburgers and drank amers' "democracy".
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 8 July 2016 13: 07
          +1
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Putin very seriously showed Europe how to live without Russia. And now they should not set conditions for us, but WE should. And they should dance to our tune.

          And what exactly did he show? Did I miss something...
          Let something show his people too.
          Medvedev said everything in his "fiery speech" about who showed what to whom.
      4. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 7 July 2016 20: 01
        +2
        Quote: zart_arn
        Russia of the 21st century is a completely non-self-sufficient country.

        Russia has always been and is now completely self-sufficient. It's another matter that the current "leaders" are striving to drag us into a "global fairy tale". Do we need it?
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 8 July 2016 13: 09
          0
          Quote: Olegovi4
          Russia has always been and is now completely self-sufficient.

          Everyone has different concepts of self-sufficiency. This is a philosophical concept, here you can argue until shit.
          Homeless people, like Shuvalov, are also self-sufficient. This is not a development criterion.
          The criterion is the average salary. Social security and state obligations. Freedom of speech and movement. National security.
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 7 July 2016 18: 37
      +6
      Quote: Stena
      And someone asked the Russians - do we need such an axis?

      - Che, like that, they decided to speak directly for all Russians?

      Quote: Stena
      First put the Mistral. Then return the debt - for the expropriation of the Russian Imperial Fleet

      - in a woodpecker ...

      Quote: Stena
      Then you can think

      - you will not think (you, the campaign, nothing)
      - and it’s good that it will not be you yes

      Quote: zart_arn
      In fact, close economic rapprochement with Europe Russia is vital

      - in ... it is right good

      Quote: zart_arn
      The disastrous course of the current leadership, which proclaimed the Russian Federation as an "Energy Superpower" ... brought the country's manufacturing economy, you can see very well what

      - and this, sorry, lies request
      - production back in the 90s
      - and, note, the industry that was under the Union was far from the most advanced in the world. This is to say the least.
      - and the Union was already on the "oil needle" ... from the mid-70s approximately

      Quote: zart_arn
      And the Christian mentality with all the priests' squabbles is still the same

      - yo, yo-yo ...
      1. zart_arn
        zart_arn 7 July 2016 18: 44
        -5
        - but this, sorry, a lie request
        - production back in the 90s

        They continued and continue to ruin to this day - no normal laws, no investment programs - nothing. As any huckster would say, "it's not an interesting topic" (I mean investing real, huge amounts of money in projects in the Russian Federation.
        Z.Y. And about the Christian mentality you are in vain - it is the primary economy, whatever one may say.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 7 July 2016 19: 26
          +1
          Quote: zart_arn
          neither the laws of normal nor investment programs - nothing

          “How do you know?” You have

          Quote: zart_arn
          Christian mentality ... - it is the primary economy

          - as they say, there is no place to put stigmas fool
          1. zart_arn
            zart_arn 7 July 2016 21: 45
            +1
            And what do you say about your mentality, what have you invested since childhood? If nothing, then and say, "as they say", not ochem. laughing
      2. Stena
        Stena 7 July 2016 22: 02
        -1
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Che, like that, right for all the Russians, they decided to speak out?

        And what - you have too little to decide?
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        in a woodpecker ...

        From a woodpecker I hear ...
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        You will not think (you, the campaign, nothing)
        - and it’s good that it will not be you

        We have heard more than once about your thoughts on the usefulness of treasuries for the Russian economy. If there’s nothing to justify, then you don’t need to ju-ju ... =))
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 7 July 2016 22: 12
          +1
          Quote: Stena
          And what - you have too little to decide?

          - It’s harmful to be rude ... but to speak for all is bad man, have you heard such a word?

          Quote: Stena
          We have heard more than once about your thoughts on the usefulness of treasuries for the Russian economy.

          - and these are not only my thoughts. The Chinese, for example, also find them useful. All as one. All one and a half billion, count? Because they scored as much as $ 1.3 trillion belay

          In general, this ... to the garden, to the garden ...
          1. Stena
            Stena 7 July 2016 22: 26
            -1
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - and these are not only my thoughts. The Chinese, for example, also find them useful. All as one. All one and a half billion, count? Because they scored as much as $ 1.3 trillion

            Are you Chinese? If not, then do not mindlessly transfer what is good to the Chinese (although this still needs to be proved) in Russian ...
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            It’s harmful to be rude ... but to speak for all is bad man, I heard such a word

            You first started, and without reason, here, look -
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - in a woodpecker ...
            .
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 7 July 2016 22: 36
              +1
              Quote: Stena
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              - and these are not only my thoughts. The Chinese, for example, also find them useful. All as one. All one and a half billion, count? Because they scored as much as $ 1.3 trillion

              Are you Chinese? If not, then do not mindlessly transfer what is good to the Chinese (although this still needs to be proved) in Russian ...

              - The Chinese are not Chinese ... but what's the difference? China is the second economy in the world, and is built clearly not moronic
              - and smart people do not sin and learn laughing

              Quote: Stena
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              It’s harmful to be rude ... but to speak for all is bad man, I heard such a word

              You first started, and without reason, here, look -

              Quote: Cat Man Null
              - in a woodpecker ...

              - that was a statement of fact .. in response to this, here:

              Quote: Stena
              The cunning Frenchmen are also trying to live at the expense of others ... First put the Mistrals. Then return the debt - for the expropriation of the Russian Imperial Fleet ...

              - nonsense request
              1. Stena
                Stena 7 July 2016 22: 56
                -1
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                because nonsense

                No. The French are not reliable. And everywhere they are looking for their benefit. At the same time, the situation with the Mistrals shows their incomplete subjectivity. So what is the benefit of the Russian Federation from such an axis "Paris-Berlin-Moscow"? In your opinion, what role does Moscow play here?
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 7 July 2016 23: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: Stena
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  because nonsense

                  No. The French are not reliable. And everywhere they are looking for their benefit. At the same time, the situation with the Mistrals shows their incomplete subjectivity. So what is the benefit of the Russian Federation from such an axis "Paris-Berlin-Moscow"? In your opinion, what role does Moscow play here?

                  - all and always looking for "only their own benefit." "Friendship of Nations" is for the middle group of the kindergarten
                  - The situation with the Mistrals has shown that the French are being manipulated. No more
                  - about the "benefit" and "role" - that's just today at VO:

                  1. Stena
                    Stena 7 July 2016 23: 18
                    0
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    - all and always looking for "only their own benefit." "Friendship of Nations" is for the middle group of the kindergarten
                    - The situation with the Mistrals has shown that the French are being manipulated. No more

                    I agree with you. But then what I wrote earlier is not nonsense. Which you have confirmed.
                    Regarding the article that you recommend - for some reason, there is an analogy with a fish on a hook that twitches and thinks that it will soon be free. Maybe free. But most likely it will fall into the influence of another center of gravity. But then the question is - within the framework of such logic, what is the role of Russia? How, excuse me, is the gasket between China and Germany? Why then the rest of the European Union? These are thoughts aloud ...
            2. Dry_T-50
              Dry_T-50 7 July 2016 22: 38
              +1
              Quote: Stena
              Are you Chinese? If not, then don't mindlessly what is good to the Chinese (although it is still necessary to prove) in Russian ...

              Yes, they have already proven. The Chinese economy is the first in the world. Due to the fact that they firmly hold the US with their bonds, if the US wants to repeat the Soviet scenario, there will be no one to hold their debt
              1. Stena
                Stena 7 July 2016 22: 59
                +1
                Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
                and they have already proven. The Chinese economy is the first in the world. For the reason that they hold tightly to the US eggs with their bonds. If the US wants to repeat the Soviet scenario, then there will be no one to keep their debt

                By this logic, Japan just as firmly holds the United States, with a treasury of 1,2 trillion. dollars. But recently there was information that the Japanese had canceled liberal arts education at universities. Doesn't that mean anything?
                Maybe, after all, the United States is holding everyone for something with these pieces of paper?
  4. Приговор
    Приговор 7 July 2016 18: 19
    +4
    After stories with support for the openly Nazi regime in Ukraine, support for American "sanctions", after the story with the Mistrals, I don't understand what axles are we talking about? Russia does not pretend to be on the same "axis" together with prostitutes.
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 8 July 2016 08: 34
      0
      Quote: Sentence
      After stories with support for the openly Nazi regime in Ukraine, support for American "sanctions", after the story with the Mistrals, I don't understand what axles are we talking about? Russia does not pretend to be on the same "axis" together with prostitutes.


      To begin with, who will put it on this axis? The prostitutes there, and themselves very cheekily, in their close-knit team, why do they need there a wild and uncontrollable Russia, which has seven Fridays a week? Look at the video on the tube with the passage of the tuples of GDP or Medvedev in Moscow and other cities of our country, it's the Golden Horde, some kind of vanity fair. Plus hundreds of cars with untouchable numbers and flashing lights in only one Moscow. And in other countries, deputies, and the country's leaders ride the subway and didn’t melt away .. The Queen of England drives an old Rolls-Royte, with two escort cars, and we have this wildness of the east - 30-40-50 escort cars, emergency lights , pushing other cars off the road, squealing squeaks, flashing lights! The remaining citizens, who were unlucky to be in this place at this time, pretend to be brooms and try to merge with the area so that the guards and the police do not suspect and punish them. And who is going? Medvedev’s wife, to buy a down scarf ... How much money for such a trip takes, and I don’t want to think. Where can there be money in the country with such initial ones and who will take us where?
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 7 July 2016 18: 25
    +3
    All the options considered are insignificant, in a world of 195 countries, and about 20 can be called a state. The Americans were able to build a system and crush a large part of the world for themselves. I think now the system will try to level the situation this way for maximum benefit for the USA and problems in the EU economy. the formation of a new super state in Europe looks really key, but time has been lost so far the essence and the matter ..................
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 7 July 2016 21: 08
      0
      I think now the system will try to balance the situation in this way for maximum benefit for the USA and problems in the EU economy.


      It is impossible without a trade agreement. The British pushed him and made a plebiscite for refusing to sign. As an element of pressure on the Germans. Squeezed, damn it ......
  6. Observer2014
    Observer2014 7 July 2016 18: 26
    +2
    Life after Brexit: we need the axis Paris-Berlin-Moscow (Mediapart, France)
    Feeling reluctant to feed the parasites. Well, and on the account of the axis. If you look closely at the history of Germany after the First World War, then parallels arise. Here and the ground for fascism is being prepared for earlier (refugees and emigrants).
  7. pigkiller
    pigkiller 7 July 2016 18: 29
    +10
    There have already been projects of Europe "from Dublin to Vladivostok", the anti-Atlantic axis Berlin-Moscow in the 90s, etc. in the style of A.G. Dugin. Today Russia has only one axis - the Army, the Strategic Missile Forces, the Navy and the Aerospace Forces. All the rest are misinformation from the evil ones.
  8. vit
    vit 7 July 2016 18: 41
    +3
    Another option seems to me more likely - the creation in the territory of the former EU of some Great Arab Caliphate. hi
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 7 July 2016 18: 48
      -2
      Quote: Vit
      Another option seems to me more likely - the creation in the territory of the former EU of some Great Arab Caliphate. hi

      Everything goes to this .... They are afraid of us in Russia, we have enough of ours from Asia (it’s hard for them without Russians ..))))) They miss us and stick to us ... And the freebie is over!
  9. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 7 July 2016 18: 46
    +4
    France and Germany will get on the axis with us after the sanctions are lifted. As long as they have one chatter, and time goes by and import substitution in action.
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 7 July 2016 19: 48
      +7
      Quote: Alexander 3
      France and Germany will get on the axis with us after the sanctions are lifted.


      By the way, here is the opinion of the Germans about the reaction of Russians to their sanctions (terribly surprised):
  10. Arandir
    Arandir 7 July 2016 18: 47
    0
    They want to give up. They hint at our trips to Paris and Berlin.
  11. sergey2017
    sergey2017 7 July 2016 18: 54
    0
    Quote: Vladimirets
    "It will be about a real European federation with six or seven key countries."
  12. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 7 July 2016 18: 56
    +9
    "... within the Paris-Berlin-Moscow axis, it could develop ..."
    A small analogue: in 2009 he offered his neighbors to supply gas to each site, throw off and carry out ... "We, we will not live here!", "Why the hell do we need this!", "You need to, you and go!" . Spat, sold the car, got the technical conditions, bought the project, hired the Taliban, bought the main pipe, GRPSh, heard plenty of obscenities from the neighboring public about the inconveniences when laying the trench. He brought up the gas and enjoyed it with the support of the cooperative leadership. Within 6 years, (19 sites) have connected ALL !!! Paying me exorbitant prices! fool Well, okay, we are not educated in Siberia, but so that civilized EUROPE is so stupid ?! belay
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 7 July 2016 19: 11
      +3
      Quote: ALABAY45
      bought a main pipe, GRPS,

      I’ll check: did I buy ... repeat
      Hi, asphalt thief! drinks
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 7 July 2016 19: 35
        +8
        Hello! Don't distract me, I'm getting ready for the mystery of watching FOOTBALL, not vile pornographic videos featuring our "team"! Stir-fried crunchy (20-25 cm) with Korean hot spices and garlic sauce. Unfiltered Altai beer and chirping northern summer behind a mosquito net on the window ... + 25 and starting rain .. "A good house, good" plasma ", a good wife sniffing in the next room! What else is needed to calmly meet old age ?! " good damn ... forgot- drinks
        1. evil partisan
          evil partisan 7 July 2016 20: 20
          +4
          Quote: ALABAY45
          ! Squash fried to a crunch (20-25 cm.) With Korean hot spices and garlic sauce. Unfiltered Altai beer
          Warm tea, acute bronchitis, Helomirtol, Femoxin, Bromhexine, Maxilac and Halixol ... recourse

          Quote: ALABAY45
          northern summer behind a mosquito net on the window

          Schaub the midge gnawed at you ... sad
          I will root for the Germans. Shtoli ...what
        2. bubalik
          bubalik 7 July 2016 20: 43
          +4
          ALABA45 (7) RU  Today, 19: 35 Crunchy-fried squid (20-25 see) with Korean hot spices and garlic sauce.
          ... you don’t have a comment, then the recipe laughing ,,, so describe that the guts begin to fight ,,, sad
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  13. sergey2017
    sergey2017 7 July 2016 19: 00
    +3
    Quote: Vladimirets
    "It will be about a real European federation with six or seven key countries."

    This is the only option for a viable EU.

    "The German and Russian governments will agree on the conclusion of a new Rapallo Treaty. It was signed by Weimar Germany and the USSR on April 16, 1922, but never received a continuation. Be that as it may, now many influential forces in Germany and Russia are considering such a prospect."

    The worst nightmare of the Anglo-Saxon world at all times. yes

    And it turns out in the end, the same CIS (Union of Independent States)! In other words, "the same eggs, only a side view!"
  14. Khariton
    Khariton 7 July 2016 19: 09
    +4
    Such tactics should continue .. And with mongrels in the EU! We will crush them anyway and they will pay us for everything!
    1. izya top
      izya top 7 July 2016 21: 28
      +2
      Of course, the photo is entertaining, but fake ... the flyers did not drive, and they can sniff the Yankees quite officially
  15. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 7 July 2016 19: 16
    +2
    Uh, wise guardians, all the Anglo-Saxons have already decided for you. It was necessary to begin to break away from the grasp of the United States starting with the notorious Mistral. And so you want to get on sticky and not to peel a damn. And on what principles is the axis Paris-Berlin-Moscow? As planned without asking us. After all, we have friendship with China. And they are already planning. that Moscow will be easier to negotiate with China with them. Yok Makarek, and the Psheks, Balts slap with the Georgians - Romanians? What do you think to do with them? Well, yes, when Europe thought about small, almost insignificant countries, they stepped over and went on.
  16. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 7 July 2016 19: 18
    +2
    What? The redistribution of Europe has begun? The paddlers are looking for someone to surrender to? fellow We'll see a movie ... the plot is interesting ... I personally put on amers, they are excellent at anti-Russian propaganda.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 7 July 2016 20: 00
      -3
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      What? The redistribution of Europe has begun? The paddlers are looking for someone to surrender to? fellow We'll see a movie ... the plot is interesting ... I personally put on amers, they are excellent at anti-Russian propaganda.

      Who is where, and we will go into space ... A DREAM of all the boys of the USSR! Naturally, when we deal with EVERYTHING AND FOR EVERYTHING! hi
  17. Arkan
    Arkan 7 July 2016 19: 20
    +2
    In order to make plans for the future, for France and other countries, the founders of the EU, you first need to throw off the Anglo-Saxon yoke, then I have to plan something. Old Europe can come to Russia as the only opponent of the United States, ready to go all the way in defending its interests. If this happens, we need not to cheapen the price for help.
  18. Mercenary
    Mercenary 7 July 2016 19: 37
    +2
    As soon as the British betrayed the EU, saving their money, they immediately remembered Russia - a "draft horse" which, according to their plan, would drag Geyropa and smile happily.
    For me, only one cooperation is possible, maybe even the Union between Russia and Germany! Without the vile English and the paddling pools (at least with the half-fool Oland).
    This historical cooperation has always and everyone interfered with in 1913 and 1939.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 7 July 2016 22: 02
      +1
      Quote: Mercenary
      The union between Russia and Germany! Without the vile English and the paddling pools (at least with the half-fool Oland).
      This historical cooperation has always and everyone interfered with and in 1913 and in 1939.
      Those. Do you consider possible and desirable an alliance with Hitler? fool
      Better do something more useful for society, for example, this:
  19. vetor
    vetor 7 July 2016 19: 43
    +1
    France has never been an ally of Russia. Russia saved Paris from time to time, but in addition to the benefits of France, Russia often did not receive the real benefits from the lives of thousands of soldiers and officers.
    Germany, despite two terrible wars, is nevertheless closer.
  20. iouris
    iouris 7 July 2016 19: 53
    -1
    If you have a brain, you should be guided by the facts. The facts are: Britain within the EU, how this divorce will happen and how long it will take, no one knows. Russia is broken. At the same time, the western part of Russia is already "put on" the notorious axis. Continuation of Moscow's economic policy will lead to the implementation of the entire program. However, the population of Russia is viewed only as a resource. It may well be that there is a program for the great migration of peoples to the territory of Russia.
  21. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 7 July 2016 19: 53
    0
    Until the Germans break the shackles of occupation and the French cease to humble themselves before the masters, there can be no talk of any axis.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 7 July 2016 21: 54
      +1
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Until the Germans break the shackles of occupation and the French cease to humble themselves before the masters, there can be no talk of any axis.

      So, in order for the Germans and the French to drop their shackles, they need the support of Russia. Russia is an example for all progressive mankind! True, only in foreign policy.
      1. Al1977
        Al1977 8 July 2016 13: 14
        0
        Quote: Stas157
        So, in order for the Germans and the French to drop their shackles, they need the support of Russia

        I do not see the flows exhausted by the occupation of the French and Germans to Russia. How to explain?
    2. Al1977
      Al1977 8 July 2016 13: 13
      0
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Until the Germans break the shackles of occupation

      The living standards of the occupied residents are higher than the "independent" ones. How can this be explained?
  22. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 7 July 2016 20: 10
    0
    Until the Gallic roosters untie their "boat" from the British-Saxon yoke and deal with the "refugees" that have flooded (practically occupying many suburbs of large cities) the country, no axis-arcs, etc. will not be. Moreover, with such leaders as the old sarcos and the current .... ac.
  23. masiya
    masiya 7 July 2016 20: 18
    +2
    Here, perhaps, no axis is required, but the KOL is aspen, and not only for the heads of European countries, but also for the presidents of Amers, who are mainly affected by this disease, and the disease is a simple anti-Russianism, and in the acute stage, they all see a threat and an encroachment on their prevalence WORLD .. ., and with what fright they should rule the world, the natives themselves from rabble from all over the world .. the garbage of society, and hereditarily and genetically raised, in short.
  24. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 7 July 2016 20: 28
    +1
    What France, what Germany, two-faced liars. To be friends with countries from NATO, urinates against the wind - one embarrassment is obtained. They themselves are non-independent and they roll a barrel on us
  25. In100gram
    In100gram 7 July 2016 21: 01
    0
    After reading the beginning of the article, I immediately thought: import. Having read the signature, he confirmed his suspicions. An author with confused consciousness and megalomania. The conclusions are correct regarding the fact that without Russia they are nobody. There is no new Charles de Gaulle on them.
  26. Berkut24
    Berkut24 7 July 2016 21: 42
    0
    Option two: ....... "They will introduce their people into European governments and decision-making centers" ....

    Actually, there are no comments at all.
    The author still proceeds from the fact that the French still have sovereignty and that they can decide something else. Those. ordinary citizens of France, being just spectators, still believe that the actor Hollande, as well as the actress Merkel, who receive a salary from the owner of the theater and, in combination, the main director of the United States, want to like this and suddenly start to carry the gag off the stage the script.

    What the fucking axis ?! Why do we need some new EU? For Russia, there is only one interest in communicating with Europe - to speak with each state separately. solely on the basis of bilateral interests. For when European countries gather in some herds, be it at least a military, at least a political, at least an economic union, then it is simply not realistic to agree on something with this mocking mass. For such a herd is necessarily infected by schizophrenia from someone and begins to engage in self-harm.
  27. t118an
    t118an 7 July 2016 22: 37
    0
    / Third: participation in the axis Paris-Berlin-Moscow. It is likely that the German and Russian governments will agree to conclude a new Rapallo Treaty.
    ================================================== ==============================

    The idea, of course, is wonderful. But I’m afraid that if it comes to this, the United States will not stop at nothing to prevent this. Until the outbreak of a nuclear war in Europe.
  28. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 7 July 2016 23: 02
    0
    Britain's exit from the EU is not a decision by the PEOPLE of Britain, but by its elite. And this exit means ONLY ONE ... Preparation of the next "drang nach osten" in Europe ... All other explanations are sheer absurdity ... The British and pi.ndos.nya hope, as in previous times, to "sit out behind the puddles." ..
  29. Pitot
    Pitot 8 July 2016 00: 27
    0
    I think that for Russia in the axis Paris-Berlin-Moscow Paris is superfluous. Something the French don't like. Some are homosexual. The Germans are prettier, although Russia has repeatedly clashed with them.
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 8 July 2016 08: 50
      0
      Quote: Pitot
      I think that for Russia in the axis Paris-Berlin-Moscow Paris is superfluous. Something the French don't like. Some are homosexual. The Germans are prettier, although Russia has repeatedly clashed with them.


      I do not want to upset you, but as far as homosexuality is concerned, it’s more about the Germans. And the French love women very much, just like us.
  30. gammipapa
    gammipapa 8 July 2016 22: 35
    0
    No one else will come out of the EU, you will see. England came out so as not to participate in the war against Russia. And if someone from the EU states still wishes to leave, then the strength will be too small. The Americans did not conceive the whole multi-path for that, so that besides them someone could sit aside and warm their hands. In the near future it is necessary to wait for the figure of a tough and frostbitten Fuhrer, who will lead and take control of the entire European Union. And he has already prepared and instructed one hundred percent.