Borisov: Ka-52K will be tested in Syria

The Ka-52K attack helicopters will be tested in a combat situation in Syria at the end of 2016 — the beginning of 2017. True-TV.ru the message of the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov.

Ka-52 "Alligator" has already managed to establish itself during the operation in the SAR from the best side. The helicopter is equipped with guided missiles (air-to-air, air-to-air), unguided rockets, as well as small-arms guns.

"Ka-52K" Katran "is a ship modification of the" Alligator ", added to military helicopters aviation weapons of increased range. Important changes were made to the design: folding vanes and load-bearing consoles, reinforced chassis struts and additional anti-corrosion coating, ”the publication says.

Earlier it was reported that the Ka-52K "will be based on board the aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov, who in the fall will go to the shores of Syria and lead the Mediterranean squadron of Russian Navy ships involved in the fight against terrorists."

Comments

[seti]

Ka-52K is a ship option. On land or in the mountains it is not practical to test it if it was prepared for the sea. Is that on the coast. Although the military knows better. I hope the work and the MiG-29K off the coast of Syria will be.

[Lord of the Sith]

Quote: seti

Ka-52K is a ship option. On land or in the mountains it is not practical to test it if it was prepared for the sea. Is that on the coast. Although the military knows better. I hope the work and the MiG-29K off the coast of Syria will be.

Here in Latakia and test.

[cniza]

The Ka-52 Alligator has already managed to establish itself during the operation in the ATS from the very best side.

"Ka-52K" Katran "is a ship's modification of the" Alligator ",

Pilots are being trained in combat conditions and rightly so, the air smells very like gunpowder.

[Shuttle]

Quote: cniza

Pilots are being trained in combat conditions and rightly so, the air smells very like gunpowder.

The smell of gunpowder is very sweet to my heart.
Gunpowder at the training ground.

If the air does not smell of gunpowder, then soon it will smell the gunpowder of war.

So let it smell of gunpowder!

[Andrey K]

... The command of the armed forces of the Russian Federation intends to again send the Admiral Kuznetsov heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser (TAVKR) to the Syrian coast so that its carrier-based aircraft inflicted airstrikes on the positions of the Islamic State terrorist group (a terrorist organization banned in Russia) in the Arab Republic ...
... It is reported that the Admiral Kuznetsov Tavkr will be involved in the Russian military operation in Syria from October 2016 to January 2017. The cruiser carrier-based aircraft will launch air strikes at IS positions in Syria ...

I believe that the Admiral Kuznetsov Tavkr will combine the useful with the more useful

[inkass_98]

The shipborne version of the helicopter should not only be sharpened against naval targets. This is a conventional combat helicopter with modifications for a ship-based version, and the list of its goals and tasks performed may be the same as that of a land-based modification. Sea-based aircraft are designed not only to protect the carrier and the "support group", but also to work on land, and this is their main job.
By the way, the Yak-38 was also tested in Afghanistan, albeit without success. But here the reason for the failure lay in the plane itself, which did not meet the requirements of the military.

[Alexey-74]

All right. This modification will be tested in Syria, plus the skills of pilots. Only some advantages from the point of view of military art.

[Ze Kot]

What is the range of the Ka-52K?
How far from the coast will the "Admiral Kuznetsov" be?

And the main question: considering the above, how far from the coast can the Ka-52 K operate?

[alex80]

The main difference between the Ka-52K and the Ka-52 is that in addition to conventional airfields, it can still
based on the aircraft carrier, and as a consequence of this, it can strike from the sea.
Otherwise, with regard to combat use, they are not very different.

[bovig]

Quote: seti

Ka-52K is a ship option. On land or in the mountains it is not practical to test it if it was prepared for the sea. Is that on the coast. Although the military knows better. I hope the work and the MiG-29K off the coast of Syria will be.

Here, practice and a subtle hint are important ... To what depth can I work from the coast (I hope I can get to Aleppo), and so that the Americans do not feel very comfortable in the Mediterranean ...) Along the way, let the Baltic states and Poles understand that the Baltic also Russian sea!

[Simple]

?
According to your logic:
Deck and naval carrier aircraft?

The poor Americans did not even suspect about this when they ironed from decks: Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq ....

[silverwolf88]

The test of battle ... the final answer to the viability of any complex of weapons ... so it is understandable why alligators in Syria ...

[avt]

They are preparing a demonstration for the Egyptians on the march, well, on the Mistral. So why test them there? Wrap the blades?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: avt

They are preparing a demonstration for the Egyptians on the march, well, on the Mistral. So why test them there? Wrap the blades?

The campaign is not only a test of the Ka-52, but also of the "Kuznetsov" and his team. More precisely, to what extent the staffs (in people and equipment) and governing documents correspond to the realities of work in combat conditions. Because it’s one thing to do a couple of sorties a day with a “conditional” combat load for several days during exercises (judging by the photos, the Su-33s previously based on Kuznetsov flew either empty or with a pair of R-73s). And the other is to work with the whole air group on real goals with real ASPs: here is the staff work (to calculate departures so as not to create a crush on the decks and not end up in the Nagumo position at Midway: the cars have arrived, but there is nowhere to land) and deck (refueling, rearmament, repair) and all other warheads (calculation of AB maneuvering for takeoff against the wind, maintaining speed, etc.).

[avt]

Quote: Alexey RA

The campaign is not only a test of the Ka-52, but also of the "Kuznetsov" and his team.

Rather, from the severe absence of aircraft carriers and the same unreceived Mistrals, they are pushed into the sea, the Kuzyu, which at least needs to be overhauled, but for good, well, if only 1143.7 had been completed, in China ,, LiaoVaryag "to make a company, or VikraGorshkov" in India. BUT.....

[Alexey RA]

Quote: avt

Rather, from the severe absence of aircraft carriers and the same unreceived Mistrals, they are pushed into the sea, the Kuzyu, which at least needs to be overhauled, but for good, well, if only 1143.7 had been completed, in China ,, LiaoVaryag "to make a company, or VikraGorshkov" in India. BUT.....

The fleet, nosebleed, needs experience in real combat use of AB. Even if it is as truncated as 1143.5.

Because the theoretical delights without real practice are dead. There, the Japanese before the war believed that they had enough carts for suspension and removal of torpedoes and 800 kg of bombs. And how it came to business ...

April 5, 1942, during a raid into the Indian Ocean (Operation C), having received a message about the discovery of the British CRT Dorsetshire and Cornwall at 10.00, Nagumo ordered the torpedo bombers of the 5th Division, Shokaku and Zuikaku, change the bombs prepared for the second strike on Colombo to torpedoes - ordered at 10.23. However, by 12.00:2, two hours after the detection of the targets, the “crane” torpedo bombers were not ready to fly, therefore the dive-bombers of the XNUMXnd division went alone to the target.

And the thing was ... simple carts: torpedoes and 800-kg bombs were fed to the planes, hung on them and shot with special carts (manually moved). These trucks on the AB were at the rate of 1 to 3 torp. With the suspension of ammunition in preparation for the planned departure, this was enough. But they did not foresee a sudden change in the load of the whole group.

[Dam]

That is, we are sure that all this is a very long time.

[avt]

Quote: Damm

That is, we are sure that all this is a very long time.

Well, somehow

Only when everyone dies will the Big Game end.

Let's hope that in Tartus and Hmeimim, Russia will lock the entrance to the straits for a long time. Regarding war itself - well, it’s in the region forever, and Turkey will be ahead with its cutting into new states, which the US actually do, playing the Kurds. Erdogan brought the war in Turkey and the campaign he himself now realized. But LATE. And it's not that late, well, when it's better than never.

[Ze Kot]

Quote: avt

what the US is actually doing, playing the Kurds. Erdogan brought the war to Turkey and the campaign he now realized. But LATE

It's never too late. He has enough strength to arrange a full-fledged massacre of Kurds. The question is whether he will do it.

[bovig]

Quote: Damm

That is, we are sure that all this is a very long time.

Until victory!) But with such brakes as NATO, you don’t have to count on a quick solution to the problem ... Then, at the time, we should seriously think about the country's economy ... So, sanctions, this is what we need - we have everything else !

[0255]

Good luck to the crew of the new Ka-52K

[dsm100]

Testing in real combat conditions is the best exam. According to the results, changes in design, etc. are possible.

[Trevis]

Better than in war, you will not experience. Burn the barmalei!

[dsm100]

This is also a training for deck aviation pilots. And experience, as they say, cannot be bought for any money.

[Wedmak]

Photo KA-52K in a folded, so to speak condition. And in the photo for the article, too, he is not, according to the arms consoles, it is easy to determine.

[Burmistr]

handsome)))

[Engineer]

Quote: seti

Ka-52K is a ship version. On land or in the mountains it is not practical to test it if it was prepared for the sea.

Do you know the differences between the land and sea versions? No. And I will tell you that so far there is only difference in the ability to fold the shortened wing consoles and blades. Another air conditioning system is also worth it due to the high humidity of the sea. There are no more differences in on-board systems and fire control systems. In the future, it was planned to install a new fire control system for the use of anti-ship missiles such as the X-35. So the rationality of using the marine option at land aerodromes so far is only in a more compact storage - there is not enough parking space and that’s all.

[mlad]

The approximate radius of action of the katran is most likely 450 km and for a successful operation the aircraft carrier will have to snuggle up to the shore, which is not good

[ser-pov]

For some reason, it seems to me that the KA-50 "Black Shark" was more suitable for land use.

[Pimply]

Quote: ser-pov

For some reason, it seems to me that the KA-50 "Black Shark" was more suitable for land use.

They were produced by 6 pieces, and they haven’t been released for a long time, and they are not going to return to the single-seat layout. All helicopters of this series are now only Ka-52

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ser-pov

For some reason, it seems to me that the KA-50 "Black Shark" was more suitable for land use.

And again, I will give a quote about the problems encountered by pilots of single-seat strike machines with URO:

One of the remarks of the List No. 1 of the GI Su-25T Act is written approximately like this (I don't remember the exact wording, more than twenty years have passed): "When performing some combat modes, the psychophysiological load on the pilot is close to the limit." The remark was given by specialists of the Research Institute of Aviation and Space Medicine of the Moscow Region. Those. the combination of the process of aiming and piloting in a number of modes caused problems. Moreover, it was not about combat pilots, but about military test pilots of the first class.
By the way, the Su-25T, as well as the Su-25TM (Su-39) did not go into the series. Only a few cars were made.
It is possible that a similar problem was encountered on the Ka-50.

[mlad]

Quote: ser-pov

For some reason, it seems to me that the KA-50 "Black Shark" was more suitable for land use.

It’s very unfortunate that the Ka 50, I agree that the control of weapons distracts from controlling the helicopter in single-seat execution, therefore it is necessary to fire a gun - I forgot. Single KA 50 with its modernization of modern electronics and weapons would be an incomparable machine

[iskander491]

Quote: avt

They are preparing a demonstration for the Egyptians on the march, well, on the Mistral. So why test them there? Wrap the blades?

There may be running-in pilots, equipment and advertising for one. Although this is not about advertising, we are running in real combat conditions in the immediate vicinity of a potential enemy.

[masiya]

It's a sin not to take advantage of this opportunity, and test pilots and equipment in combat conditions, taking into account constant observation from the fucking "partners" and from land and sea, so get the flag in hand and go!

[Navuxonastupil]

The name of the ship option smiled! Katran is not only the Black Sea shark ... It is also an underground game hangout!

[technical]

Borisov needs to chat less! When break in, then talk. Language is a godsend for spies. I have noticed this for a long time. Everything is taken out of the hut in advance. When, what, where, everything blurs. When I served, for this it was possible to get to the tribunal, and from the officers shoulder straps flew.

[Voenoboz]

You need to learn.