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T-50 tests are in the final stages.

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Tests of a promising airline T-50 moved to the final stage, reports RIA News with reference to the report of the company "Sukhoi" for 2015



It is noted that "in total more than 700 test flights of T-50 were performed, which confirmed the compliance of the aircraft with the technical task of the Ministry of Defense of Russia."

It is also reported that “as part of a long-term strategy for interaction with foreign partners, Sukhoi negotiated with the Indian side in 2015 to clarify the terms of the contract for development work on the Prospective Multifunctional Fighter (PMI is an export version of the PAK FA, which is planned to be jointly produced with India) ".

Serial deliveries of T-50 to the Russian military department will begin in 2018. Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov said this on Monday.

Previously, the delivery of aircraft was planned to begin in 2016-2017.

“Speaking about the PAK FA program, the deputy head of the defense department said that the serial production of fifth-generation T-50 vehicles is scheduled to begin in the 2018 year,” the company press service quotes Borisov.
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Anatoly Burtsev / russianplanes.net
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  1. The black
    The black 5 July 2016 08: 42
    +33
    May God grant this aircraft a good and long service!
    1. vodolaz
      vodolaz 5 July 2016 08: 47
      +5
      Will the Indians just sell planes or technology too?
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 5 July 2016 09: 23
        +3
        Quote: vodolaz
        Will the Indians just sell planes or technology too?

        ... as in the automotive industry, in AVIATION there are schemes for different localization of production:
        - sale of "finished products"
        - transfer of large-site products for on-site assembly
        - localization of the production of part of the products, during the transfer of assembly units
        - full localization of production with the transfer of the license. Even with such a sale, some of the critical elements / units remain with the Main Manufacturer. Some of the "subtle and critical technologies" remain in the country of the developer, for example: the production of "high-precision missile weapons with x-kami close to those permitted for international sale." BUT, while samples of "joint production" - for example, "Brahmos" and REO - can be used without restriction and mutually ...

        In the case of the T-50, different schemes are also possible. As a rule, it all starts with the sale of "finished products" with a gradual transfer of technology (usually within 10-25 years).
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 5 July 2016 09: 30
        +2
        Quote: vodolaz
        Will the Indians just sell planes or technology too?

        Joint development. And the Indians recently do not really want to buy weapons without technology, which is right from the point of view of defense and self-sufficiency.
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 5 July 2016 10: 10
          +4
          Joint development of an aircraft for India has been a big question for several years. They require too much.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 5 July 2016 09: 35
        +1
        Quote: vodolaz
        Will the Indians just sell planes or technology too?

        Where recently walked on the Internet, photo T 50 in India with the coloring of the Indian Air Force
        1. Leto
          Leto 5 July 2016 10: 56
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Where recently walked on the Internet, photo T 50 in India with the coloring of the Indian Air Force

          Probably in the same place as Till Lindemann in a shirt with Putin.
          1. Voyager
            Voyager 5 July 2016 11: 54
            +1
            Very thin laughing good
      4. dima mzk
        dima mzk 5 July 2016 13: 53
        +1
        there is no such thing with us Onxus with them Bramos, and other things on the list, what do they give you there?
      5. Buffet
        Buffet 5 July 2016 15: 39
        0
        Yes. To begin with, several pieces will be made in Russia. Then a screwdriver assembly in India and then all the technology there ...
        1. ver_
          ver_ 7 July 2016 14: 02
          0
          ..and what's the point, penguins have been buying the RD-180 for how many years, but we don’t have the urine to do it ourselves, although I really want to ..
      6. Lex.
        Lex. 7 July 2016 12: 32
        +1
        It seems the Indians themselves do not know what they want
      7. NEXUS
        NEXUS 7 July 2016 15: 29
        +2
        Quote: vodolaz
        Will the Indians just sell planes or technology too?

        The FGFA is an Indian analogue of PAK FA, but double. Initially, the Indians indicated that they want exactly a double T-50. Plus truncated TTX and FGFA itself will be heavier than the Russian PAK FA.
        1. Aleksandr1959
          Aleksandr1959 7 July 2016 20: 21
          0
          Andrey, not quite like that.
          The Indian version of the aircraft was called the Prospective Multi-Role Fighter (PMF). Despite the fact that India paid $ 295 million for the preliminary design of the aircraft, Russia did not want to share aircraft prototype technologies (Russia was not keen to share technical details of the prototype).
          India planned to purchase about 40 fighters in a two-seat training version, but Russia categorically refused to develop it, saying that only a single combat aircraft would be created.

          India Today June 30
    2. Aroma77
      Aroma77 5 July 2016 11: 39
      0
      As there in the cartoon: Earth goodbye, good luck !.))
  2. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 5 July 2016 08: 43
    +4
    This aircraft complex is needed by the Armed Forces ... the sooner it enters the troops ... the earlier its operation and the development of pilot applications by the pilots begin ...
    1. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 5 July 2016 08: 47
      +3
      I think it is important that the acceptance speed does not spoil the quality of the aircraft.
      1. evgenii67
        evgenii67 5 July 2016 09: 17
        +1
        Quote: ShadowCat
        I think it is important that the acceptance speed does not spoil the quality of the aircraft.

        but it doesn’t bother you that in the 12th year they said that in 15g the car would be put into service, then at 16-17, now they write that it wasn’t earlier than 18g and it just comes out so fast. and in 17g they will say in 19-20g it will begin to arrive, in 18g they will say no money, but you hold on, but all the same purchases will be carried out on time, only in smaller volumes. It was 2019. announced a new generation fighter project that will begin testing in 2022-23 will be adopted 2025-26 wassat
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 5 July 2016 09: 28
          +18
          Quote: evgenii67
          but it doesn’t bother you that in the 12th year they said that in 15g the car would be put into service, then at 16-17, now they write that it wasn’t earlier than 18g and it just comes out so fast. and in 17g they will say in 19-20g it will start coming in in 18g they will say money. but you hold on, but all the same purchases will be carried out on time, only in smaller volumes. It was 2019. announced a new generation fighter project that will begin testing in 2022-23 will be adopted 2025-26 wassat


          Only cats are born quickly, and putting a plane on the wing is not a quick process! Remember the story of the creation of the Su-27 ... It generally had to be completely redone, but it turned out to be a legendary car! So do not write to the compote, everything goes as it should. Do not believe me, look at the American Fu-35, that’s who has problems, and it’s already being stamped despite its shortcomings.
        2. VP
          VP 5 July 2016 09: 30
          +5
          Can you distinguish between "take on service" and "serial production"?
          And the question is small ... Have you ever developed or produced anything? Just wondering what your categorical exactingness towards others is based on.
          1. evgenii67
            evgenii67 5 July 2016 09: 45
            +3
            Quote: VP
            Just wondering what your categorical exactingness towards others is based on.

            I have no complaints against manufacturers, but only to those bureaucrats who make loud statements that are not true. that's all.
            1. VP
              VP 5 July 2016 15: 54
              +1
              What word, "bureaucrats".
              Immediately seen something vile and deceitful. Not that a patriotic and pure soul sales manager.
              If something Shoigu is also a bureaucrat. And the leader of Sukhoi is no bureaucrat.
              1. evgenii67
                evgenii67 5 July 2016 22: 13
                0
                Quote: VP
                Immediately seen something vile and deceitful. Not that a patriotic and pure soul sales manager.
                If something Shoigu is also a bureaucrat. And the leader of Sukhoi is no bureaucrat.

                if you noticed, then I distinguished by writing: "... the bureaucrats who MAKE LOUD STATEMENTS ..."
          2. Aleksandr1959
            Aleksandr1959 7 July 2016 21: 39
            0
            Can you distinguish between "take on service" and "serial production"?

            I will try to answer instead of .... "Adopt" - after the positive approval of the GI Act.
            In the GI process, after determining the compliance of the main performance characteristics with the customer's requirements after the issuance of a positive "Preliminary Conclusion", a small pre-production batch of aircraft can be released for the preparation of serial production, connecting the aircraft to the GI process, to obtain advanced statistics.
            I will note that there are lists of shortcomings in the GI Act. "List No. 1" - disadvantages. requiring elimination before the start of serial production.
            As far as I remember, somehow it was.
        3. Shadowcat
          Shadowcat 5 July 2016 09: 37
          +4
          Quote: evgenii67
          but it doesn’t bother you that in the 12th year they said that in 15g the car will be adopted, then at 16-17, now they write that not earlier than 18g

          Do not fuss under the client as the old maman-san used to say. The machine is only 6 years old, unlike its competitor, they’ve been sawing for 20 years already and it still doesn’t fly without problems.
    2. ver_
      ver_ 7 July 2016 15: 26
      0
      ... and we don’t even know at all - well, what’s wrong with us, take it ..
    3. ver_
      ver_ 7 July 2016 15: 39
      0
      ... didn’t work as an political instructor for an hour? ..
  3. dsm100
    dsm100 5 July 2016 08: 44
    +11
    Good news. The engine would still put a new one, as it is called the 2nd stage.
    1. seti
      seti 5 July 2016 08: 48
      +11
      A little more and the new engine will be ready. With it, PAK FA will indeed become the 5 generation aircraft for all 100%
      1. Executer
        Executer 5 July 2016 09: 18
        +1
        seti, but are you directly involved? If only they would share a grain of news ...
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 5 July 2016 10: 58
        +1
        Quote: seti
        A little more and the new engine will be ready

        NO NO AND ONE MORE TIME NO!!!!!

        The engine has nothing to do with it! Sorry for the caps, but just tired of listening to the digital engine.
        He will NOT be soon.

        And with the AL-41F1S PAK FA passes under the requirements of the 5th generation, namely cruising supersonic.
        Although the engine was made on the basis of the 4th generation Al-31F engine, which turned out to be quite complicated, this does not cancel its performance characteristics.

        The reasons for financing and the fact that many more systems are not brought to the required performance characteristics.
        The same AFAR did not give the required efficiency. As now not in the know. Everything is strictly secret. The armament is not clear.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 5 July 2016 13: 52
          +3
          Quote: silver_roman
          The same AFAR did not give the required efficiency.

          Efficiency issue ICE! other cars ...
          A AFAR gives out power in a pulse, D detection, viewing angles, pulse repetition rate, bandwidth, the number of CCs followed, and many more different ... crap! yes
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 5 July 2016 14: 39
            0
            Well, yes, I didn’t put it correctly. We will write TTX.
            I read the preliminary findings of the manufacturer of AFAR: they complained that not in all cases there is a capture of targets in the areas established by the performance characteristics. And since the probability is considered in% as the efficiency, then mistakenly wrote the latter. I repent very much.
            All this .... crap is very heavy! hi
            1. Voyager
              Voyager 5 July 2016 15: 13
              +1
              And here I agree. Especially about the engine. As for AFAR, we’ll wait for the results, all the same, development is in progress, let it be better now to make mistakes than later :)
          2. ver_
            ver_ 7 July 2016 14: 32
            0
            ..want to say that there is no energy loss for heating the electronic elements of the installation-resistances, capacitors, inductors ...
            1. Egor rustic
              Egor rustic 2 October 2016 00: 50
              0
              . [quote = ver_]
              there is no loss of efficiency.
              although here's how to look. so then you can find the efficiency
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  5. Coconut
    Coconut 5 July 2016 09: 04
    +4
    T-50 "PAK FA less importance is attached to stealth, the main emphasis is on maneuverability. In terms of its flight characteristics, the Russian aircraft may well compete with the F-22 Raptor, while the superiority of the" T-50 "over the F-35 is simply enormous. And the advantage of PAK FA in characteristics over Lightning II can only increase over time. bully
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 5 July 2016 11: 02
      +1
      Quote: Coco
      According to its flight characteristics, the Russian car can well argue with the F-22 Raptor,

      Regarding close maneuverable combat, our aircraft were almost always better.
      Regarding maneuverability, this is not the strength of the raptor. He even thrust vector in one plane deviates, which gives certain restrictions.
      About 1.5 years ago, there was a good article on the maneuverability of the f-22. The main concept of the application: to see the enemy before they see you and destroy him before your light. The F-35 is further imprisoned for this.
  6. oborzevatel
    oborzevatel 5 July 2016 09: 05
    +1
    “Speaking about the PAK FA program, the deputy head of the defense department said that the serial production of fifth-generation T-50 vehicles is scheduled to begin in the 2018 year,” the company press service quotes Borisov.

    IMHO, if we talk about the T-50 in terms of a full fifth generation, then we should also mean engines. Do you think that by 2018 they will bring to mind?
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 5 July 2016 09: 59
      +3
      Those engines that are available now correspond to the status of the 5th generation. They’ll just blow it better.
  7. kolkulon
    kolkulon 5 July 2016 09: 08
    +1
    At 17m at the Parade of victory I would like to see.
  8. st1342
    st1342 5 July 2016 09: 12
    0
    Good luck!!!
  9. iwind
    iwind 5 July 2016 09: 20
    +2
    How strange ... only 700 and the final stage. No matter how much it is, but rather even a little. When compared with the F-22, which has a more pronounced specification and as a result, it is easier in terms of fine-tuning. The F-22 had 3,496 flights and over 7,600 flight hours. Pak-fa with RMP flew only this year. Most likely they are a little cunning here. and the serial board also needs to be tested, "The decision has been made about the serial face" T-50 - a complex of onboard equipment like the T-50-9, the airframe like the T-50-11. "How all this will work in a comprehensive manner.
    1. Dyagilev
      Dyagilev 5 July 2016 09: 41
      +2
      As one comrade wrote here, that the old deadlines have expired, and new ones have not been appointed. So the note came out. About the new engine, not a word, but the plane in a series? Somewhere here is a catch.
    2. Voyager
      Voyager 5 July 2016 10: 16
      +1
      Not a good example for comparison. In the F-22, modifications to the airframe during the development process were much more serious, with accidents, etc. The development time is longer and the point is not in the specifications, but in modern capabilities.
      1. iwind
        iwind 5 July 2016 13: 12
        +1
        Quote: Voyager
        Not a good example for comparison. In the F-22, modifications to the airframe during the development process were much more serious, with accidents, etc.

        Can you get more details? Here, in addition to the crashed on December 20, 2004, and there was the problem "a short interruption in power during the engine stop before the flight caused a malfunction in the flight control system, therefore, the aircraft design was corrected."
        Much more than the F-22 ... Well, somehow I do not agree. So far, I see that each of the Pak-fa has many differences from the previous version. That's just in the extreme we have; engine capotations, RMP, changes in air intakes, etc. That is, there is still no final version of the pak-fa, on which you can conduct final testing.
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 5 July 2016 15: 03
          +1
          And the prototype YF-22 crashed in 92?
          Quote: iwind
          So far, I see that each of the Pak-fa has many differences from the previous version.

          It should be so. The introduction is gradual. Something according to plan, something unplanned, I agree. But there is no final testing as such. PAK FA is already undergoing the ICG.
          1. iwind
            iwind 5 July 2016 15: 22
            0
            Quote: Voyager
            And the prototype YF-22 crashed in 92?

            Well, you yourself answered YF-22- it was a demonstrator. There from the final F-22 was perhaps that appearance. and even that.
            Quote: Voyager
            It should be so. The introduction is gradual. Something according to plan, something unplanned, I agree. But there is no final testing as such. PAK FA is already undergoing the ICG.

            Honestly, I doubt that now he is going through the GPS, it is somehow strange when there is still no serial board (which should serve as a result of the GPS)
            1. Voyager
              Voyager 5 July 2016 16: 00
              0
              Well, you can interpret as you like. He is the same demonstrator as the T-10. Slurred but prototype. That is, between YF-22 and F-22, the logical difference is like between the T-50 and the final Su, when it is assigned a name.

              First, then a series of ICG? Are you confusing anything?)
              1. iwind
                iwind 5 July 2016 16: 54
                +1
                Quote: Voyager
                Well, you can interpret as you like. He is the same demonstrator as the T-10. Slurred but prototype. That is, between YF-22 and F-22, the logical difference is like between the T-50 and the final Su, when it is assigned a name

                her. The Russian Federation and the United States have different aircraft construction algorithms. Weren't you surprised by this difference September 1990 YF-22 maiden flight and F-22 maiden flight September 1997? A tender for the creation of a new aircraft is announced there. Several firms prepare their demonstrators, but no one gives a guarantee of winning, so they are created on the basis of the technologies used, no one will invest billions in "just like that". And only then the aircraft is being developed, and this takes seven years. And the T-10 has already flown by the plane that will be used and it has already won the tender and it already has R&D work that YF-22 is still ahead of.
                Quote: Voyager
                First, then a series of ICG? Are you confusing anything?)

                You misunderstood a little. Do not confuse the "series" and the serial aircraft (at the time of the GSI there can be one, two, three) for the passage of the GSI.
                What flies now is not the final model. And the next side will be different, and the GSI should go through what will be officially Su-XX
                1. Voyager
                  Voyager 5 July 2016 17: 30
                  0
                  Quote: iwind
                  The Russian Federation and the United States have different aircraft engineering algorithms.
                  Yes, I know :) but not as different as it seems. We also held a tender, just without selling it in metal.
                  Quote: iwind
                  What flies now is not the final model.

                  Why do you think so? In any case, you are wrong, because the GSI plane is already passing and this was repeatedly stated by the highest ranks in the VKS
                  1. iwind
                    iwind 5 July 2016 18: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Voyager
                    Yes, I know :) but not as different as it seems. We also held a tender, just without selling it in metal.

                    For me it is very significant. One plane before R&D and tender and quite another after R&D and tender
                    Quote: Voyager
                    Why do you think so? In any case, you are wrong, because the GSI plane is already passing and this was repeatedly stated by the highest ranks in the VKS

                    the earth is full of rumors. two to four more "new" aircraft await us.
                    At least the trend so far.
                    Talking heads say a lot, the job is. That's when the "military" tested (will be handed over to the Air Force) will begin, and this will be the bell that at least two years are left before being put into service.
                    ps you seem to be well versed in aviation about what completion you can talk about with 700 flights and constant changes in design. Some engine linings will require so many tests that it’s scary to set up; heat transfer, load, alignment, vibration, etc. change And this does not check on the earth you need to fly a lot.
                2. Aleksandr1959
                  Aleksandr1959 7 July 2016 20: 36
                  0
                  Do not confuse the "series" and the serial aircraft (at the time of the GSI there can be one, two, three) for the passage of the GSI.K GSI the image must already be finalized, or, as a result, it is being finalized, which will be found on the GSI.

                  It could have been before. GI Su-25T was already attended by machines manufactured by TAPO named after Dimitrov. But now ... ???
    3. Aleksandr1959
      Aleksandr1959 7 July 2016 20: 33
      0
      Interestingly, 700 flights are state trials in full? Or one of the stages.
      If earlier there was a clear division into LCI (Flight Design Tests) - the stage of the Chief Designer and State tests (stage of the GLIC), then it seems like later they returned to the GSI (State joint tests). At the stage of LCI, part of the flights to determine individual characteristics could be set off in the stage of GI.
      Maybe someone will explain how it is done now.
      The stages in the creation of military aircraft should be in the "Regulations for the creation of new military aircraft".
  10. Arkan
    Arkan 5 July 2016 09: 35
    +1
    That's good, while the "partners" finish their expensive toy, we must be in time.
  11. Neputin
    Neputin 5 July 2016 09: 35
    +12
    Once again we were reminded that we will have everything ... but not now. The word "soon" is already causing a skeptical smile not only in Ukraine, but also in Russia. How much can you feed us with "breakfasts" in aviation and shipbuilding and tank building? We only hear: soon, soon, soon ... So do at least something in the end, otherwise life will not be enough to wait for your "soon". Do they have no money? Disperse the national football team - this is an annual income of 40 million euros - this is a whole SU 35 plane. Disperse the officials who take bribes of 400 thousand euros - we will generally get rich. Close the export of capital, plant especially effective managers, enter the state. a monopoly on alcohol, tobacco; and a progressive luxury tax. Nationalize the enterprises of heavy industry and the military-industrial complex and natural resources. But in order to do this, someone needs to "step on the tail". A very thick and fat tail. And we even know these people. And this knowledge does not bode well for our country in the foreseeable future. For 20 years, the communists have implemented the GOELRO plan and have provided electricity to the entire country. Tell me at least one event that has happened in the last 20 years, comparable in importance. You can't name a fig. They do not exist, and will not be. further evil is not enough to write, I'm afraid that I'll start swearing.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 July 2016 09: 48
      0
      Quote: Neputin
      m. Communists in 20 years have implemented the plan

      About the Communist Party, well, everything is clear. What has your Communist Party done for the country, sitting out his pants for 25 years in the State Duma? -Nothing!!!
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 5 July 2016 10: 32
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What has your Communist Party done for the country, sitting out his pants for 25 years in the State Duma? -Nothing!!!

        What country is the same and the Communist Party. Stalin with the CPSU (b) carried out industrialization in TWO five-year plans. And yours, the so-called democrats, are still "sawing" what was accumulated in the USSR. / From 1993 to 2016 = as many as 23 years /.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 July 2016 14: 06
          -1
          Quote: V.ic
          . / From 1993 to 2016 = as many as 23 years /.

          Show me what is left of the USSR that did not finish it?
          1. V.ic
            V.ic 5 July 2016 14: 55
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Show me what is left of the USSR that did not finish it?

            Well, yes, NOW, remember the saying: "what two know = the pig knows". So I don't want the pigs to know.
      2. Neputin
        Neputin 5 July 2016 13: 54
        +1
        You don’t "poke me", please, I didn’t roll in the same ditch with you. And about the Communist Party it is not necessary to "fill" here. At the moment, there is no political force in Russia worthy of the "old" CPSU. Everything that sits in the Duma is "50 shades of gray", nothing more.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 July 2016 14: 07
          -1
          Quote: Neputin
          m in Russia a political force worthy of the "old" CPSU.

          We dig out from the graves and pray for them, maybe they will rise again.
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 5 July 2016 13: 57
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What has your Communist Party done for the country, sitting out his pants for 25 years in the State Duma? -Nothing!!!

        In the State Duma, not in the Kremlin! You, that LOL, offer to the barricades, or what?
        And yet, yes, Russia still lives and develops thanks to the backlog that was made by the Communists in the USSR!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 July 2016 14: 09
          -2
          Quote: Stas157
          You, that LOL, offer to the barricades, or what?

          I would have banned the Communist Party and the mausoleums demolished in Fig. Sorry Putin good
          Quote: Stas157
          And yet, yes, Russia still lives and develops thanks to the backlog that was made by the Communists in the USSR!

          Goodbye, but rather forgive
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 5 July 2016 15: 06
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I would have banned the Communist Party and the mausoleums demolished in Fig. Sorry Putin good

            And, I would have demolished the Yeltsin Center in FIG, and would have transplanted half of the thieves from the ED !!! What we are going to do?
            1. ver_
              ver_ 7 July 2016 15: 00
              0
              ... but he is not kind - this concept is from another opera - he is very careful and prudent - in his "dance" mistakes will cost the state too much ..
          2. xtur
            xtur 12 July 2016 10: 24
            0
            > I would have banned the Communist Party and demolished the mausoleums in FIG. Sorry, good Putin

            to complete the image, it was necessary to add that people must be neutered so that they would not multiply
    2. Moore
      Moore 5 July 2016 09: 53
      +3
      Quote: Neputin
      So do at least something in the end, otherwise life will not be enough to wait for your "soon".

      In case you were banned in Google:
      http://www.sdelanounas.ru/
      No, I understand, a reason for whining can always be found.
      Started to plant thieving governors?
      Ahhh, not everyone was imprisoned - I want everyone to!
      Is there a rearmament of the army?
      Yyyy, it’s going badly, I don’t like it, very slowly!
      And so on.
      In the end, I’ll ask you to name something comparable with the GOELRO, but that happened in the 70-80s.
      1. Neputin
        Neputin 5 July 2016 13: 45
        +3
        And I will give you the facts from the report on the socio-economic development of the USSR from 60 to 85 (briefly).
        The growth rate of national income throughout the 70s grew annually by 4,9%, even in the "stagnant" five-year period (1981-1985), an average growth of 3,6% per year was achieved. Regardless of severe economic problems, the country's national wealth in 1970-1980 grew by an average of 7,5% per year against 10,5% in the 60s. In general, this period is characterized by an annual increase in national wealth of 6,5%; only in the Gorbachev period did the indicator drop to 4,2% per year.
        The emphasis in industrial development in the 70-80s was on the creation of giant territorial-production complexes (TPK). In total, they were organized by several dozen. The main attention was paid to the West Siberian TPK. Two open-pit coal mining complexes were deployed: in Kazakhstan - the Pavlodar-Ekibastuz fuel and energy complex, and in the Krasnoyarsk Territory - Kansk-Achinsky. It produced the cheapest coal in the country. On the basis of the Ust-Ilim Hydroelectric Power Station - the Bratsk-Ust-Ilimsky Timber Industry Complex. On the basis of the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric station - Sayan TPK for the processing of non-ferrous metals. The construction of the BAM (3000 km) was completed in 1984.
        By the second half of the 80s, the USSR came to the forefront in the world in the production of agricultural machinery. He lagged behind the United States in grain production by 1,4 times, ahead of them in tractor production by 6,4 times, and in combine harvesters by 16 times.
        Real incomes per capita for the years 1965-1975 increased by 46%, in 1976-1980 they rose another 18%, in 1981-1985 - by 10%. Throughout the 70s, more than 100 million square meters were annually introduced. m of housing. City housing stock increased from 1867 million square meters. m in 1975 to 2561 million in 1985.
        The production of basic foodstuffs in kilocalories per capita amounted to almost 1976 million kilocalories in the USSR in 1980-3,5 (the highest figure in the entire history of Russia).
        Fuel production from 1971 to 1980 in the USSR increased more than four times, gas - more than eight times, and oil - almost seven. The share of fuel and energy in the total export volume increased from 15,6% in 1970 to 54,4 , 1984% in 1984. In XNUMX, for the first time during the years of Soviet power, annual oil production declined.
        In the 80s, 5% of national income was allocated to finance science. In 1960 - 2,7% of the used national income, in 1970 - 3,7%.


        Now analyze. The facts cited are of course not GOELRO, but compared with the current time .... And do not forget that in those days we were also under sanctions and some more!
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    4. aviator65
      aviator65 5 July 2016 13: 27
      +1
      I support 100%! The creation of new military equipment, and even more so aviation, is a long and painstaking process. So let them work in silence and report on real results. And it turns out, like in Zhvanetsky: "The process is life, the result is death. Therefore, the ship is not being repaired, but is in a state of repair." Bring the plane into service in any quantity, then report to the broad masses on your successes. And so, another "a little more and ..."
      PS Always very touching comments like "Good news!", "Keep it up!" and the like. Guys, what's good? There was already a carriage and a small cart of such "news", but how much more will there be? For me personally, the transfer of this device to the troops will be real and pleasant news, and other "noodles" for cheering the layman are already boring. hi
    5. ver_
      ver_ 7 July 2016 18: 20
      0
      .. don’t be afraid - the moderators will not miss — cut out too much .. and it will be in the style of stagnation - high iamba under the drum roll and starfall - only in the style of the political - you need to focus on the seriousness of the moment and and ... our armor is strong and our tanks are fast, we are ideologically savvy and we understand the seriousness of the moment and the lack of funding and - the victory will be ours .. and there the grass will not grow ..
  12. Sergey333
    Sergey333 5 July 2016 09: 40
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    Quote: evgenii67
    but it doesn’t bother you that in the 12th year they said that in 15g the car would be put into service, then at 16-17, now they write that it wasn’t earlier than 18g and it just comes out so fast. and in 17g they will say in 19-20g it will begin to arrive, in 18g they will say no money, but you hold on, but all the same purchases will be carried out on time, only in smaller volumes. It was 2019. announced a new generation fighter project that will begin testing in 2022-23 will be adopted 2025-26

    But it doesn’t bother you that they can’t finish off the much-praised F-35, it seems that we have similar problems with them - they have swung at the fact that so far it works only in theory, but in practice there are only continuous problems. Otherwise, why so many - 700 test flights. Refined during the test.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 5 July 2016 12: 58
      0
      Technical problems do not bother. They are solvable. And it's time to stop the trembling! Make and report what they did! That's the only way.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 July 2016 14: 46
      0
      They have problems with the F 35 that they have already released 177 aircraft.
  13. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 5 July 2016 09: 48
    +1
    Well, we are all so impatient, read:“In total, more than 700 T-50 test flights have been completed, which confirmed the compliance of the aircraft with the technical specifications Ministry of Defense of Russia. " and only. Before delivery to the troops from this moment, God forbid, the Commander-in-Chief, for two years this is normal, especially since the engine is only on its way and it will also have to be brought up. Lagging, but not deadly.
  14. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 5 July 2016 09: 54
    0
    I am glad one stagnation is over !!! There are prospects, there will be money.
  15. atamankko
    atamankko 5 July 2016 09: 57
    +1
    The plane should be brought to normal, and then only in a series,
    even the bike is still being finalized so don’t put
    timing at the forefront, VKS need a streamlined, reliable technology.
  16. Leto
    Leto 5 July 2016 11: 18
    +2
    All optimists please read the following:
    The financial unit of the government agrees to lay on the state armament program (GPV) for the period 2018–2025. not more than 12 trillion rubles. The Ministry of Defense expects to receive about 24 trillion, Kommersant reports.
    The head of the department, Anton Siluanov, announced the maximum amount of funding for the GPV project: no more than 12 trillion rubles. for 2018–2025 This figure did not suit many, including Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu and Deputy Prime Minister for the defense industry Dmitry Rogozin, according to interlocutors of the newspaper, close to the apparatus of the government and presidential administration.


    Mnfin wants to reduce GPV by 50%! 50% Karl! I ask everyone to think about this and understand that on many projects you can put a fat cross.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 5 July 2016 12: 56
      +1
      This is the Ministry of Finance needs to be reduced by 100%!
      1. Siberia 9444
        Siberia 9444 5 July 2016 16: 06
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        At least only these am
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 5 July 2016 21: 51
          0
          Three of them are still useful, but the rest can be lowered.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 July 2016 14: 49
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      First of all, the fleet will fall under reductions - all new projects of large surface ships - aircraft carriers, destroyers, helicopter carriers.
  17. Streich
    Streich 5 July 2016 11: 42
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    I believe that engines for an aircraft, and even more so a military one, are the basis of the basics! But in the modern world, electronics also occupies not the last place. It is necessary to create a system of complete deflection of missiles and a jamming system at the highest level for the 5th generation apparatus. Then all this nonsense about "stealth" will become a thing of the past. Yes, stealth, interference and reflection is the key to everything. Then you can safely fly anywhere and do whatever.
    So let them work.
  18. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 5 July 2016 12: 11
    0
    The T-50 complex will be brought to mind. Both AFAR and engines will be brought up to the requirements of TTZ. Not so simple. In addition, there really is simply no money.
    1. technical
      technical 5 July 2016 13: 39
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      In the Great Patriotic War, collective farmers, workers, artists, many carried their savings and gave them to the country to build tanks, planes, cars. Now, not a single oligarch, or, so to speak, a pop star has given a penny to the country. Indeed, to a greater extent, the army and the state protect their wealth and their beautiful life. Such as I am the majority and we have nothing but life, and if necessary we are ready to give it away. And they?!
  19. NordUral
    NordUral 5 July 2016 12: 55
    +1
    Stop fussing. Silently bring to mind and declare that the aircraft has been accepted into serial production.
  20. Skubudu
    Skubudu 5 July 2016 13: 00
    +2
    Quote: Diana Ilyina

    Remember the story of the creation of the Su-27 ... It generally had to be completely redone, but it turned out to be a legendary car!

    And what legends about him (SU-27) are there? There are only three MIG-29s in the list of air victories.
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 5 July 2016 15: 16
      -1
      If you need dry facts, then the Su-27 and its derivatives are the best among champions in aerobatics, speed sets, etc.
  21. thinker
    thinker 5 July 2016 13: 04
    0
    ... serial production of fifth-generation T-50 machines is planned to begin in 2018 ...
    It's just not clear when the "normal" name of the aircraft, Su-50, for example, will appear? request
  22. Wolka
    Wolka 5 July 2016 14: 52
    0
    Before selling abroad, you need to saturate your VKS with such aircraft and in no case do not sell technology for the time being ...
  23. Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 5 July 2016 16: 18
    +2
    Damn, who are all these people arguing about engines and secrecy? Where did you get all this from here?
  24. romex1
    romex1 6 July 2016 01: 44
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    Three of them are still useful, but the rest can be lowered.




    which "three" do you want to leave? Let everyone down !!!
  25. Dinko
    Dinko 7 July 2016 11: 12
    0
    In 20, a new antenna based on photon technologies will be put on the T-50 and this antenna will be the most powerful in the world and small in size, which will dramatically increase the combat capabilities of the aircraft!