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Before 2020, the Defense Ministry will receive X-NUMX helicopters Ka-146

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Until 2020, X-NUMX Ka-146 Alligator attack helicopters will arrive in the troops, reports TASS with reference to the Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov.


Before 2020, the Defense Ministry will receive X-NUMX helicopters Ka-146


Borisov recently visited Arsenievskaya aviation Progress company (part of the Helicopters of Russia holding), where it “examined the production facilities of the enterprise and got acquainted with the manufacturing process of the Ka-52 Alligator and Ka-52K helicopters,” the report said.

“Arsenyev Helicopter Plant is a supplier of Ka-52 combat helicopters, which in the amount of 146 units have been contracted to 2020 year. There are no complaints about the production, the contract is executed on time, ”he said during the visit.

The deputy minister noted that "Ka-52 showed great demand and high quality during the Syrian campaign."

“The helicopter has a serious modernization potential. We are working on equipping it with new aviation weapons of increased range, ”he added.

In addition, “the plant is developing a civilian version - the Ka-62 helicopter, which“ will most certainly be in demand in the national economy, ”Borisov said.

He also said that the ship version of the helicopter (Ka-52K "Katran") this year will go on the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov."
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  1. edos1979
    edos1979 4 July 2016 16: 06
    -8
    It's time to think about a full-fledged aircraft carrier.
    1. Dimontius
      Dimontius 4 July 2016 16: 08
      +31
      I can’t understand it a lot or a little ... for our country it’s rather not enough, or am I wrong? request
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 4 July 2016 16: 11
        +7
        Of course, not a lot, but note with what pathos this is served, as many as 146 helicopters under 20! May be....
        1. Bath
          Bath 4 July 2016 16: 14
          +2
          When Serdyukov then? the main thing is to call the number a until 2020 or the donkey speaks or the padishah surrenders
          1. cniza
            cniza 4 July 2016 17: 51
            +5
            “Arsenyev Helicopter Plant is a supplier of Ka-52 combat helicopters, which in the amount of 146 units have been contracted to 2020 year. There are no complaints about the production, the contract is executed on time, ”he said during the visit.


            Of course not many, but at least slowly, but the army is replenished.
            1. Ardein
              Ardein 4 July 2016 18: 22
              +5
              There is still a problem with helicopter engines - that's "slow".

              One way or another, but Ka-52 is better than Mi-28.
              1. VP
                VP 4 July 2016 19: 16
                +4
                What's better?
                1. just exp
                  just exp 5 July 2016 06: 51
                  +3
                  than the Mi-28. (your advertisement could be here, otherwise the text is not enough, the site does not miss)
              2. 11 black
                11 black 4 July 2016 19: 32
                -1
                Quote: Ardein
                There is still a problem with helicopter engines - that's "slow".

                One way or another, but Ka-52 is better than Mi-28.

                Let's get more details - like a missile support helicopter, I agree, better.
                But as a machine of the battlefield - how can you seriously consider a helicopter as a machine for a battlefield, for a battle above the front line, when even a cannon is rigidly mounted in the hull (for the most banal shelling from a cannon, the helicopter is forced to make a full-fledged "run" as if it were attacking NURami) - well, nonsense!
                Although the 28 is not without its drawbacks of course - neither the catapult nor the duplication of control is also ice ... although the MI-28НМ (the tests are almost completed, it is possible that they are already completed) there is a duplicated control system.
                Yes, and the armor of the 28 will be stronger, but the main thing is different cars, different combat concepts.
                KA-52 is a missile support helicopter, at least it was thought by him, while MI-28 is a ground attack aircraft - a battlefield machine.
                1. V.ic
                  V.ic 4 July 2016 20: 29
                  +5
                  Quote: 11 black
                  KA-52 is a missile support helicopter, at least

                  Are you sure about that? How does the Ka-52's "missile" armament fundamentally differ from the Mi-28? Enlighten ...
                2. poquello
                  poquello 4 July 2016 21: 15
                  +12
                  Quote: 11 black
                  for the most banal shelling from a cannon, the helicopter is forced to make a full-fledged "approach"

                  hit the corner as it flies sideways, which approach
                  1. 11 black
                    11 black 5 July 2016 21: 54
                    +2
                    Quote: poquello
                    hit the corner as it flies sideways, which approach

                    Firstly - why about the corner?
                    Secondly - what difference does it make as he flies, he must look with his nose at the target when he shoots at it, which means that he is constrained in maneuvers at this moment.
                    In addition - let's say a target is detected for 3 hours, for MI-28 the reaction time is 2 seconds without changing direction and speed, while maintaining the possibility of maneuver.
                    For KA-52, the minimum reaction time is 7-8 seconds, while the helicopter is forced to turn its nose on the enemy and remain in this position.
                    MI-28 and the carousel in the air also make a dead loop - but on account of the turret in battle, he doesn’t need it, but KA-52, yes, you have to fly sideways and with cancer only if the target was strictly on 12 ...


                    PS - you would hit the corner for such comments ...
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 5 July 2016 22: 37
                      0
                      Quote: 11 black
                      what difference does it make as he flies, he must look with his nose at the target when he shoots at it, which means he is constrained in maneuvers at this moment.

                      ))) Are you trying to prove that a flat U-turn is less effective than a turret?
                      1. 11 black
                        11 black 6 July 2016 15: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: poquello

                        ))) Are you trying to prove that a flat U-turn is less effective than a turret?

                        This is an axiom, and yes - a flat U-turn is certainly less effective than a turret.
                        And do not confuse the usual flat turn with the chain "turn - aiming - holding the helicopter in trim and azimuth - reverse turn - gaining speed".
                        Isn't it easier to "take and shoot"?
                3. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 4 July 2016 21: 43
                  +32
                  Quote: 11 black
                  ... KA-52 is a missile support helicopter, at least he thought ...

                  Respected 11 black, I’m not a pilot for the WCA. I probably missed something while teaching me various weapons systems request
                  Will you be so kind, explain to me ignoramus: when the class of aircraft appeared - rocket support helicopter. I would be very grateful if you could help me make up for this wild gap. hi
                  I then the hillbilly thought that Mi-28 it shock a helicopter and NATO thought so, but he turns out to be a ground attack aircraft request
                  At work, experts from the Air Force Academy named after Professor N. E. Zhukovsky and Yu. A. Gagarin (Syzran, 108 km. From the place of my sovereign service), hammered to me and others that Ka-52 - this reconnaissance strike helicopter. And NATO thought so. That stupid request
                  Colleague, both copies - drums helicoptershi
                  As for the 28, these bad pilots, like myself to the collective farmers, explained on their fingers that he had the tenth case of avionics and catapults. And booking does not help when in a hurry to stake out a niche and move the Kamov kids - without inventing a bicycle, they lightened the main gearbox from the Mi-26 and put it on the Mi-28. Rostov bit a bit and they don’t want to do anything with a gearbox, in the gears of which metal is constantly cut and clogs oil filters.
                  But this was told to us by specialists from the Gosavianadzor, the pilots told. Probably lie infections ...
                  1. 11 black
                    11 black 5 July 2016 16: 50
                    0
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    Dear 11black, I am not a pilot for the WUS. I probably missed something while teaching me various weapon systems
                    Could you be so kind, explain to me ignoramus: when the class of aircraft appeared - a missile support helicopter. I would be very grateful if you could help me fill this wild hole hi
                    I then the hillbilly thought that the Mi-28 is an attack helicopter and they thought so in NATO, but it turns out to be a stormtrooper request
                    At work, specialists from the Air Force Academy named after Professor N. E. Zhukovsky and Yu. A. Gagarin (Syzran, at 108 km. From the place of my sovereign service), hammered to me and the rest, that Ka-52 is reconnaissance - shock helicopter. And NATO thought so. Here's a foolish request
                    Colleague, both copies - attack helicoptershi
                    As for the 28, these bad pilots, like myself to the collective farmers, explained on their fingers that he had the tenth case of avionics and catapults. And booking does not help when in a hurry to stake out a niche and move the Kamov kids - without inventing a bicycle, they lightened the main gearbox from the Mi-26 and put it on the Mi-28. Rostov bit a bit and they don’t want to do anything with a gearbox, in the gears of which metal is constantly cut and clogs oil filters.
                    But this was told to us by specialists from the Gosavianadzor, the pilots told. Probably lie infections ...

                    I answered you - they said with "too long a comment", there is no time to write it again now, but in the evening I, illiterate, will write about everything in order in two sheets!
                  2. 11 black
                    11 black 5 July 2016 21: 46
                    +2
                    So - as promised yes
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    weapon systems request
                    Could you be so kind, explain to me ignoramus: when the class of aircraft appeared - a missile support helicopter.

                    Did I say that he, this class, he appeared - no, I just drew your attention to the ability of the KA-52 to work from long distances (5 and more than km) and its inability to act on the battlefield.
                    At the above distance, the main weapon, whatever one may say, will be ATGMs, and at all nodes of the suspension. request
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    I then the hillbilly thought that the Mi-28 is an attack helicopter and NATO thought so, but it turns out to be an attack aircraft

                    No. Percussion, but adapted for operations on the battlefield (armor, turret for guns), I think I will not be very mistaken if I call it an assault.
                    MI-24 is also an attack helicopter, and NATO thinks so, but it turns out to be a "Flying BMP" - which does not prevent it from being an attack helicopter.
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    Colleague, both copies - attack helicopters

                    Absolutely agree yes that does not prevent them from having different tasks.
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    As for the 28, these bad pilots, like myself to the collective farmers, explained on their fingers that he had the tenth case of avionics and catapults.

                    I do not know who said such stupidity - but I dare not agree.
                    If so, then why are we all doing this?
                    Fly on MI-24, shoot NURs "by eye", keep in touch with signal flags, and get shot down (do not bring fate) so jump on your bare ass - why bother people, whole design bureaus with trifles if all this is "the tenth thing."
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    And booking doesn't help

                    Those who say such things, indeed, booking will not help ...
                    But the Americans, in the course of the Iraqi campaign, stumbled over it very painfully - their Apaches sometimes made their way even from the AK-47 (and into the cockpit), and even from the RPD ... so there was a lot of downtime to repair the insides damaged by the "usual" shooter - for MI-28, the armor of the cockpit, engine group and tanks keeps armor-piercing from the SVD point-blank, even 12,7 does not break through.
                  3. 11 black
                    11 black 5 July 2016 21: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    And booking does not help when in a hurry to stake out a niche and move the Kamov kids - without inventing a bicycle, they lightened the main gearbox from the Mi-26 and put it on the Mi-28. Rostov bit a bit and they don’t want to do anything with a gearbox, in the gears of which metal is constantly cut and clogs oil filters.
                    But this was told to us by specialists from the Gosavianadzor, the pilots told. Probably lie infections ...

                    I can’t say anything here. yes But let's wait MI-28NM.

                    Quote: tomket
                    As for the cannon, the Ka-52 hits the target from the cannon more accurately than the Mi-28 due to its higher maneuverability.


                    Stupidity was written by YOU - not due to maneuverability, but due to less vibration that is achieved by a "rigid" mount. But - understand, KA-52 is sharpened for combat from long distances, it is just about accuracy and does not need a turret, while MI-28 is a battlefield helicopter.
                    And to him, acting on the enemy, the turret provides more than enough accuracy (you will take an assault rifle in close combat, and not SVD - right?).
                    But the ability to INSTANTLY respond with a cannon burst to any target in the front hemisphere (even at small minus angles) without pulling the helicopter itself (for example, while continuing to actively maneuver while dodging enemy fire) is worth a lot.
                    Quote: tomket
                    By the way, the same "Crossbow" could not be fitted because of the transmitted vibration from the propeller.

                    On MI-28NM it was installed as it should. yes
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    On Ka-52 "crossbow" was placed in the bow

                    Yeah, instead of a gun turret smile
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    on Mi-28 the layout does not allow it.

                    Because MI-28, an attack helicopter, unlike the KA-52, the turret is vital, and the KA-52, on the contrary, is more important than the work of the radar.
                    And by the way, this coaxial arrangement on the KA-52 does not allow the installation of a sub-radar radar.
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    So think what’s better. By the way, flying over the battlefield, ironing everything and everyone is not the best idea

                    Just imagine - yelling at you in a walkie-talkie. companies - see the gorge ?! There are two mortars behind the boulders - DEMARKS THEM TO **** ***, and comb the verdure across the river before the cliff, there seem to be spirits populated!
                    That's how you do it, but it will be necessary to fly. It will be necessary to be above the battlefield collecting fire from the entire gunshot, and the instant reaction and armor of the MI-28 here is more appropriate than greater accuracy and more powerful KA-52 missiles.
                    If there is anything to argue, I will be glad to listen and ponder yes .
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 5 July 2016 22: 51
                      -3
                      Quote: 11 black
                      due to less vibration that is achieved by a "rigid" mount

                      hit the corner, you have already been answered and answered correctly - placing the gun in the bow
                      1. igorka357
                        igorka357 6 July 2016 09: 51
                        +1
                        Do you remember too often about corners, maybe you have problems with corners?
                    2. igorka357
                      igorka357 6 July 2016 09: 53
                      0
                      Don’t worry, there’s an article about ka-52, and Kamov’s lovers rule here, there’s an article about Mil’s helicopters, and Milevtsy’s all there ..)))!
                4. tomket
                  tomket 4 July 2016 23: 16
                  +6
                  Quote: 11 black
                  how can you seriously consider a helicopter as a vehicle for a battlefield, for a battle over the front line, when even a cannon is rigidly mounted in the hull (for the most banal shelling from a cannon, the helicopter is forced to make a full-fledged "run" as if it were attacking with NURs) - well, nonsense !

                  That's right, well, you wrote nonsense. Regarding the cannon, the Ka-52 hits the target from the cannon more accurately than the Mi-28 due to its higher maneuverability. In the Mi-28, the firing accuracy is negatively affected by the fact that the gun is not rigidly fixed, so it "walks" when firing. By the way, the same "Crossbow" could not be fitted because of the transmitted vibration from the propeller. On the Ka-52, the "crossbow" was placed in the bow, but on the Mi-28, the layout does not allow. So think which is better. By the way, flying over the battlefield ironing everything and everyone is not the best idea, especially when you are dealing with an army, and not with incomprehensible broads.
                  1. DenZ
                    DenZ 5 July 2016 09: 12
                    +7
                    Quote: tomket
                    the accuracy of shooting is negatively affected by the fact that the gun is not rigidly fixed, so it "walks" when firing.

                    On the Ka50 / 52, the gun is also not rigidly fixed, its accuracy is higher than that of the Mi-28, rather because the gun itself is located closer to the center of mass of the helicopter (that is, on the side and not on the nose, as in the Mi-28) and does not "walk" so aiming. Physics and nothing more.
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              3. igorka357
                igorka357 6 July 2016 09: 47
                -3
                Both helicopters are good, but the Mi-28 is more suitable for infantry over the battlefield, and will live longer under the fire of a large-caliber rifle!
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        2. Max40
          Max40 4 July 2016 16: 18
          +4
          Please find on the Internet how much more MI-28N will be delivered, and then there will not be a bad picture until 20, and there it will still be purchased. Or do you propose to immediately buy KA-52 and KA-52K for 300 pieces?
          1. Igor39
            Igor39 4 July 2016 16: 27
            +1
            So I found on the Internet: In February 2012, the General Director of Uralvagonzavod and the then Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov promised Vladimir Putin, who headed the government, that a prototype of the new tank would be created by 2013. According to the head of Uralvagonzavod, at that time tests of the main components and equipment of Armata had already been tested. It was emphasized that mass production and the entry of tanks into the army will begin by 2015.
            1. vostok1982
              vostok1982 4 July 2016 18: 06
              +12
              It started in 2016. So what?
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          3. evge-malyshev
            evge-malyshev 4 July 2016 17: 11
            +8
            Quote: Max40
            Or do you propose to immediately buy KA-52 and KA-52K for 300 pieces?


            People! Think with your own head! They themselves (300 + 300) must still be done. 200 per year. Unreal. Even the announced 146 to 2021. - It’s very difficult, but possible, if everything goes as it should.
            1. Mitek
              Mitek 4 July 2016 19: 26
              +10
              Quote: evge-malyshev
              Quote: Max40
              Or do you propose to immediately buy KA-52 and KA-52K for 300 pieces?


              People! Think with your own head! They themselves (300 + 300) must still be done. 200 per year. Unreal. Even the announced 146 to 2021. - It’s very difficult, but possible, if everything goes as it should.

              Very few people understand what it means to create a modern airplane and helicopter. Even less know what ways in the conditions of sanctions the equipment is extracted. Many people have the memory of riveting the instant-15))) If I am not mistaken, then we caught up with the USSR in the production of helicopters, and ahead of them in airplanes.
              About airplanes http://vpk.name/news/127203_vyipusk_voennyih_samoltov_v_rossii_dognal_pokazateli

              _sssr_1980h_godov_i_obognal_ssha.html
              In 2014, the Helicopters of Russia holding company produced a little over 300 aircraft, of which more than 100 were part of the State Defense Order. In the USSR of the 80s, the production of helicopters amounted to approximately 380 units per year - the figure is larger, but not dramatically, especially considering the reduction of the country itself and the production of more expensive and modern machines.
        3. 73bor
          73bor 4 July 2016 16: 40
          +3
          And you count with the Mi-28 and Mi-35, then a completely normal figure will work out, plus the already released cars, moreover, 20 years are just around four years left!
        4. lelikas
          lelikas 4 July 2016 16: 40
          +10
          Quote: Igor39
          Of course, not a lot, but note with what pathos this is served, as many as 146 helicopters under 20! May be....

          Well, considering that up to 20 g. only 3,5 years are left, and the rate at which they are being built with us is quite real numbers.
        5. dauria
          dauria 4 July 2016 17: 10
          +95
          Their Excellencies misters admin site

          Report.

          I ask you to give me the title of "most marshal marshal" ahead of schedule
          I pledge to correctly comment on the following indestructible topics.

          1 aircraft F-35 - bullshit and cut dough
          2 Ukrainians are greedy, cunning, ungrateful
          3 Putin is good, Duma and United Russia are thief, Medvedev is a clown
          4 Ka-52 is much better than Mi-28
          5 Urgently launch Mig-35 into production until the damned and envious Pogosyan pecked.
          6 On all-all submarines urgently invent VNU
          7 generation is stupid, the reason is CSE, in the old time everyone knew the Heisenberg ratio.
          8 Footballers of the Russian team - Christ-sellers and nits.

          I ask you to take into account that the absence of a marshal's rank is the only thing
          keeps me on VO. And I would like to leave for a long time, shouting at the full throat
          "Stop making fun of the site, talking at school break after the CWP lesson
          fed up. "

          Twice tried by dauria admins

          PS The servants who are on the site, excuse the old fool.
          1. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 4 July 2016 17: 21
            +7
            Quote: dauria
            Their Excellencies misters admin site

            Report.

            I ask you to give me the title of "most marshal marshal" ahead of schedule
            I pledge to correctly comment on the following indestructible topics.

            1 aircraft F-35 - bullshit and cut dough
            2 Ukrainians are greedy, cunning, ungrateful
            3 Putin is good, Duma and United Russia are thief, Medvedev is a clown
            4 Ka-52 is much better than Mi-28
            5 Urgently launch Mig-35 into production until the damned and envious Pogosyan pecked.
            6 On all-all submarines urgently invent VNU
            7 generation is stupid, the reason is CSE, in the old time everyone knew the Heisenberg ratio.
            8 Footballers of the Russian team - Christ-sellers and nits.

            Not old man No. The honorary title "the most marshal marshal" is assigned for life to Meehan, that is, Khariton .. bully
            Ish old that udumal am I encroached on Vitaly ..
            1. midivan
              midivan 6 July 2016 15: 44
              +1
              Quote: Alibekulu
              Not an old man, the honorary title of "the most marshal marshal" is assigned for life to Meehan, that is, Khariton ..
              Ish old, that he thought up Vitali encroached ..

              belay Well, this is you very very vain so, here it will be read by yours (I don’t even know what to call it) Mikhan and how to get his Shaman tambourine from under the bed and your pipirka will fall off lol
          2. Banishing liberoids
            Banishing liberoids 4 July 2016 17: 33
            +6
            Dauria-humor appreciated a plus!
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          4. evge-malyshev
            evge-malyshev 4 July 2016 18: 30
            +7
            Quote: dauria
            PS The servants who are on the site, excuse the old fool.


            The same old fool forgives.

            I agree with you that the site should not become a laughing stock and a place, sometimes, not very correct skirmish of very active "commentators". It is necessary to treat each other with respect, especially when people of different faiths (people of different nationalities) are discussing. Sometimes it's just a shame for these disputants.
          5. aksakal
            aksakal 4 July 2016 19: 06
            +17
            Quote: dauria
            1 aircraft F-35 - bullshit and cut dough
            2 Ukrainians are greedy, cunning, ungrateful
            3 Putin is good, Duma and United Russia are thief, Medvedev is a clown
            4 Ka-52 is much better than Mi-28
            5 Urgently launch Mig-35 into production until the damned and envious Pogosyan pecked.
            6 On all-all submarines urgently invent VNU
            7 generation is stupid, the reason is CSE, in the old time everyone knew the Heisenberg ratio.
            8 Footballers of the Russian team - Christ-sellers and nits.

            Will not do!
            Still must commit to voice:
            9 The USSR was the most heavenly paradise, absolutely everything was hurt!
            10 Hands off Stalin (this, by the way, is no joke)!
            11 None of the armaments produced can be sold for export - they themselves aren’t enough, let them produce weapons themselves, there’s nothing to leave and equip our army at our expense.
            12 In Israel, bad guys are sitting, their Merkava is sucks, and in general!

            There is much more to add, and you MISSED it all!
            Marshal will have to wait. Sorry for you, but alas ...
            1. Black Colonel
              Black Colonel 6 July 2016 10: 06
              0
              They forgot to mention the sloppy "Kalash", very hot topic.
          6. Berkut24
            Berkut24 4 July 2016 19: 09
            +10
            Sorry for the indiscreet question, but where do you put these titles? What are you treating? Well ... I just don’t know if it’s worth it to tear your ass or retire as a colonel so that fishing friends do not shy away from stripes and don’t drag them to schools before the holidays.
            1. bulvas
              bulvas 4 July 2016 19: 31
              +9
              Quote: Berkut24
              Sorry for the indiscreet question, but where do you put these titles? What are you treating? Well ... I just don’t know if it’s worth it to tear your ass or retire as a colonel so that fishing friends do not shy away from stripes and don’t drag them to schools before the holidays.


              And where we don’t apply, they attach to us

              In any case, you don’t have to tear your ass, and you don’t have to chase the pros
              Write from the heart, thinking a bit before that and checking what is written, and it doesn’t matter if everyone likes it.

              1. Berkut24
                Berkut24 4 July 2016 20: 58
                0
                Come on, tell the uncle who is over 50 and who has a real officer rank about the importance of pluses and how to write.
            2. KaPToC
              KaPToC 4 July 2016 22: 34
              +2
              I explain - ranks are applied to pride.
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              2. bulvas
                bulvas 4 July 2016 22: 38
                +3
                Quote: Berkut24
                Come on, tell the uncle who is over 50 and who has a real officer rank about the importance of pluses and how to write.

                - the uncle did not confuse chatter on VO with real service?
                You can’t be so addicted to the Internet.

                Quote: KaPToC
                I explain - ranks are applied to pride.

                - It’s more difficult for you.
                Quote: Berkut24
                ... tear your ass ...


          7. vv3
            vv3 4 July 2016 20: 31
            +5
            Hold on, my story is worse, better not say anything ...
          8. Tibidokh
            Tibidokh 5 July 2016 03: 43
            +10
            Quote: dauria
            1 aircraft F-35 - bullshit and cut dough
            1 aircraft F-35 - bullshit and cut dough
            2 Ukrainians are greedy, cunning, ungrateful
            3 Putin is good, Duma and United Russia are thief, Medvedev is a clown
            4 Ka-52 is much better than Mi-28
            5 Urgently launch Mig-35 into production until the damned and envious Pogosyan pecked.
            6 On all-all submarines urgently invent VNU
            7 generation is stupid, the reason is CSE, in the old time everyone knew the Heisenberg ratio.
            8 Footballers of the Russian team - Christ-sellers and nits.

            And now I’ll try to argue on the contrary. Let's see what happens.
            1 F-35 aircraft - ideal and terribly cheap to manufacture.
            2 Ukrainians are childless, innocent, grateful
            3 Putin is nasty, the Duma and United Russia are saints, Medvedev is a respected manager
            4 Ka-52 is much better than Mi-28, just the opposite.
            5 It is urgent to forget that they planned the production of the Mig-35, while the blessed and fair Poghosyan did not invest in him folk money.
            6 For all-all submarines urgently come up with air-dependent EU. To buy air in Poland.
            The 7th generation of geniuses, the reason is the Unified State Exam, half of them have long "googled" what the Heisenberg ratio is.
            8 Football players of the Russian national team - holy martyrs and role models.

            If someone decided to curse me - I'm not serious, it was a scientific experiment. repeat
          9. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 6 July 2016 23: 27
            -1
            Quote: dauria
            Twice tried by dauria admins

            PS The servants who are on the site, excuse the old fool.

            Frantically plyusuyu!
            Quote: dauria
            1 aircraft F-35 - bullshit and cut dough
            2 Ukrainians are greedy, cunning, ungrateful
            3 Putin is good, Duma and United Russia are thief, Medvedev is a clown
            4 Ka-52 is much better than Mi-28
            5 Urgently launch Mig-35 into production until the damned and envious Pogosyan pecked.
            6 On all-all submarines urgently invent VNU
            7 generation is stupid, the reason is CSE, in the old time everyone knew the Heisenberg ratio.
            8 Footballers of the Russian team - Christ-sellers and nits.

            Bravo!
        6. Homo
          Homo 4 July 2016 18: 27
          +6
          Quote: Igor39
          Of course, not a lot, but note with what pathos this is served, as many as 146 helicopters under 20! May be....

          What kind of stink? Until 2020, not 100 years and not 10 years, but only 3,5 years. 40 helicopters a year is not enough? Russia is not the USSR, and the inheritance from the EBN went to 0 whole tenths.
          1. just exp
            just exp 5 July 2016 06: 58
            0
            so that’s the tsimes that Russia now produces almost as many helicopters as the USSR did.
        7. Dart2027
          Dart2027 4 July 2016 18: 59
          +3
          Quote: Igor39
          as many as 146 helicopters under 20

          146 helicopters is only the Ka-52. But besides this, other helicopters are also being delivered to the army.
        8. V.ic
          V.ic 4 July 2016 20: 25
          +1
          Quote: Igor39
          note with what pathos this is served, as many as 146 helicopters under 20

          Let's check your pathos. 2016/2 + 2017 + 2018 + 2019 = 3,5 years = 46 months. A little more than three boards a month, with a rhythmic supply of components from subcontractors. Normal load for the enterprise, which five years ago was interrupted from bread to kvass. The specialists who produced the Mi-24 (mostly specialized) have long been retired or in the pre-retirement period. Human resources = the most valuable capital of any plant. Comrade was right. Stalin, saying: "cadres decide everything."
        9. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 4 July 2016 21: 49
          +2
          Quote: Igor39
          Of course, not a lot, but note with what pathos this is served, as many as 146 helicopters under 20! May be....

          And what is the problem until 2020 to produce 146 units, now 99 units are ready, it remains to make 3,5 units in 47 years.
        10. ssergn
          ssergn 4 July 2016 22: 39
          +1
          For a start, ask how many different combat helicopters have entered service in recent years - including. Mi 8AMTSh, mi 28, mi 35 and ka 52. Plus modernization. And it will not work out poorly, given the "old stuff" in service.
        11. not main
          not main 4 July 2016 23: 37
          0
          Quote: Igor39
          Of course, not a lot, but note with what pathos this is served, as many as 146 helicopters under 20! May be....

          Two regiments about two OVE! Think for yourself a lot or a little!
        12. just exp
          just exp 5 July 2016 06: 49
          +1
          Of course, not a lot, but note with what pathos this is served, as many as 146 helicopters under 20! May be..

          that’s what life-giving Putin does.
          when the delivery for the whole year of the helicopter was an event. Now the contract for 146 cars of ONE model is already being criticized. they say a little. under Vissarionych there were more.
        13. kos2910
          kos2910 5 July 2016 07: 46
          +1
          146 helicopters under 20

          And what is wrong? 36 a year is very small? What, Romania releases more? Of course I would like more, but the economy is not in the best shape.
        14. alex_V15
          alex_V15 7 July 2016 11: 21
          0
          This is actually quite, very much!
          The helicopter was accepted for the army - Mi-28N.
          And the first "Alligators" were ordered to support the industry! It's just that now the card has gone for the car! Advertising, by the way, goes! And therefore - it will go very well for export!
          And the fleet suddenly decided to equip! It's great too!
          Cheer up!
        15. Su24
          Su24 7 July 2016 12: 55
          0
          Quote: Igor39
          Of course, not a lot, but note with what pathos this is served, as many as 146 helicopters under 20! May be....


          Wow little. Fifteen hundred alligators, not counting the new Mi-28 and Mi-35 - is this all of a sudden? + Does anyone say that after 2020 the release will stop?
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 4 July 2016 16: 38
        +1
        Our country is not enough - for it is very large, which annoys all "neighbors". For this we need a lot.
        1. Berber
          Berber 4 July 2016 16: 43
          0
          Excessive defense is also not good. A lot of money spent.
          1. Homo
            Homo 4 July 2016 21: 23
            +1
            Quote: BerBer
            Excessive defense is also not good. A lot of money spent.

            Moderate defense - Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia, continue? And it’s better to spend money on your defense industry (in peacetime) than on war and rebuilding the country.
        2. Berkut24
          Berkut24 4 July 2016 19: 19
          +4
          We do not need much, but as much as we need. The army will no longer be there, because, firstly, the country's economy does not dispose to this, and secondly, for the regional adversary, what they have and do is enough, and for the "nuclear" adversary, not such toys are needed. And thirdly, the Ministry of Defense has an understanding of the general staffing structure.
          The total number of helicopters is not increasing, there is a planned replacement of the equipment being written off. Those. previously considered shock and MI-24 and Mi-8 and Ka-27. Now, specialized machines are being replaced by those units that are moving from assault-assault vehicles to purely shock ones. But in some cases both MI-8 and Mi-35 are needed when it is required to deliver a group and support it with fire.
        3. Suhov
          Suhov 4 July 2016 19: 23
          +2
          Quote: lelikas
          For this we need a lot of things.

          Doctor, give me pills for greed!
          And more, more! wassat
      3. joopel
        joopel 4 July 2016 16: 40
        +1
        Unfortunately, it’s not enough for a full-fledged war, but there are a lot of exceptional ones for scaring away. laughing . these machines can do a lot of things, power. This is a plan for the next four years, during which time the plan can be changed both in one direction and in the other direction. Rather, the production of cars will increase, as the situation in the geopolitics continues to deteriorate.
      4. Observer2014
        Observer2014 4 July 2016 17: 02
        +2
        Dimontius RU Today, 16:08 ↑ New
        I can’t understand it a lot or a little ... for our country it’s rather not enough, or am I wrong? request

        No, not a little. If you consider that we have three attack helicopters in production. MI 35, MI 28 and KA52.
      5. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 4 July 2016 17: 08
        -2
        This is about nothing.
      6. evgenii67
        evgenii67 4 July 2016 17: 34
        +6
        Quote: Dimontius
        I can’t understand it a lot or a little ... for our country it’s rather not enough, or am I wrong?

        According to Vika, today
        Mi-24 -220 units.
        Ka-52 -81ed.
        Mi-28 - more than 54 units.
        More recently, such machines as the Mi-28 and Ka-52 in Russia did not exist at all. What-what, and our aviation is re-equipping at a good pace.
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      7. Bronis
        Bronis 4 July 2016 18: 45
        +2
        Quote: Dimontius
        I can’t understand it a lot or a little ... for our country it’s rather not enough, or am I wrong?

        The question is rather enough or not. But in general, our Air Force receives a fairly large number of types of machines that perform shock functions. Along with the Ka-52, there are Mi-28 (a contract for 96 cars + probably the same), Mi-35 (20-40 pcs) and Mi-8 AMTSH (about a hundred or more).
      8. Alex777
        Alex777 4 July 2016 19: 03
        -6
        In every American division there are about 200 helicopters staffed.
        The number varies slightly depending on the type of division.
        1. VP
          VP 4 July 2016 19: 26
          +4
          And all the drums?
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 5 July 2016 09: 41
            +1
            Quote: VP
            And all the drums?


            Checked my details hi
            The number of helicopters has decreased over the past 20 years.
            In total, the army aviation brigade: about 2000 personnel, 146 helicopters, of which 64 AN-59 Apache fire support, 59 Kayova reconnaissance OH-54A, 60 VH-30A Black Haw general-purpose aircraft, 60 EW EN-12A - XNUMX.
        2. Bronis
          Bronis 4 July 2016 23: 58
          +2
          Quote: Alex777
          In every American division there are about 200 helicopters staffed.
          The number varies slightly depending on the type of division.

          Army aircraft are present in most divisions of the US Army (SV). Although not everywhere. In terms of quantity, noticeably less. about a hundred, which is also a lot ... This is called, if I am not mistaken, Combat aviation brigade (CAB). There are heavy, medium and light AA brigades. In the first two - by 24 Apache. plus there are Kiyovs, Black Hawks and Chinooks.
          Purely attack helicopters among Americans (counting the ILC) around 1000-1200. 650-700 Apaches.
          supercob-Vipers about three hundred more. plus Kiyovs, albeit with a stretch. It is purely "transport" helicopters that make a big difference with us, which is due to the specifics of the use of the ILC and the US Army.
          with us, apparently, it is supposed to have a total of about 350-400 Ka-52, Mi-28 and Mi-35 helicopters. Plus about 150-200 Mi-8 AMTSH. times in 2 less. But the number of troops with the Russian Guard (we consider the analogue of the US National Guard) is also less than somewhere in two times. And if you count with the ILC - then even more so.
          Conclusion: it is an ungrateful thing to consider ...
      9. RUS96
        RUS96 4 July 2016 21: 50
        0
        Not yet 146, but in general 146 i.e. taking into account already available in the troops.
        Of course not enough.
      10. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 4 July 2016 22: 16
        0
        Quote: Dimontius
        . for our country, rather a little, or am I wrong?

        This is for one million inhabitants of Russia, one helicopter each. what
      11. demchuk.ig
        demchuk.ig 5 July 2016 05: 11
        0
        Quote: Dimontius
        I can’t understand it a lot or a little ... for our country it’s rather not enough, or am I wrong?
        Of course, this is not enough, but there are Mi-28 and Mi-8AMTSH, Mi-24 and I think this is serious power.
      12. dima mzk
        dima mzk 5 July 2016 07: 45
        -1
        if you take into account that there is also the Mi-28 N Mi-117 and so on, just right there the list is long
      13. alex_V15
        alex_V15 7 July 2016 11: 15
        0
        One side.
        On the other - the main shock for the army - Mi-28N.
        And "Alligators" ordered at one time for the army in order to "support the pants" of Kamov.
        And then ... the fleet liked it! And - in addition to the Mistral group, they ordered more.
        Then - will be exported. Issued. He - after Syria - will be so popular!
        So do not be discouraged!
        All NK are equipped with helicopters. Orders will still be. Old helicopters will be slowly replaced.
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 4 July 2016 16: 19
      0
      Why do we need aircraft carriers?
    3. Banishing liberoids
      Banishing liberoids 4 July 2016 16: 20
      +1
      Edos1979-build where the aircraft carrier plan-in the garden, or on the front lawn ???
    4. joopel
      joopel 4 July 2016 16: 34
      +13
      Good afternoon, gentlemen, comrades. Sorry, that is off topic. I recently visited the site, but managed to complicate relations with the moderator Alexander Romanov. Then they told me in secret in PM that Alexander, this is Alexander, is a tender, feminine and hysterical creature. She diligently mows down under the man, hence the dirty vocabulary, indecent turns, and an exalted reaction to what the man would not pay attention to. It's hard to be a moderator, sympathize with Alexandra. My respect, madam. love
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 4 July 2016 16: 41
        +5
        Hello! You are not alone, not only a touchy creature but also a provocateur, I added a violation for what I called him a wise guy, then I specially paid attention to other violations of my colleagues, no reactions, so now be careful, he is vindictive and acts selectively.
        1. joopel
          joopel 4 July 2016 16: 44
          +1
          Igor, let’s like gentlemen, we will not offend this girl. fellow Alexandra Romanova constantly provokes men, affects the lack of male attention in life. She is not beautiful both externally and internally, to say the least.
      2. St Petrov
        St Petrov 4 July 2016 16: 43
        +5
        Good afternoon, gentlemen, comrades. Sorry, that is off topic. I recently visited the site, but managed to complicate relations with the moderator Alexander Romanov. Then they told me in secret in PM that Alexander, this is Alexander, is a tender, feminine and hysterical creature. She diligently mows down under the man, hence the dirty vocabulary, indecent turns, and an exalted reaction to what the man would not pay attention to. It's hard to be a moderator, sympathize with Alexandra. My respect, madam.


        In a personal email to your opponent. Why should I read this? I went into the comments and then waving yami.

        1. joopel
          joopel 4 July 2016 17: 28
          +1
          I would love to, but on the second day, Alexander Romanov pushed me into the emergency situation because I dared to minus her. One way communication. A woman is a woman hiding behind an emergency. Alas.
          1. Reserve officer
            Reserve officer 4 July 2016 23: 43
            +7
            Quote: joopel
            I would love to, but on the second day, Alexander Romanov pushed me into the emergency situation because I dared to minus her. One way communication. A woman is a woman hiding behind an emergency. Alas.


            George, something seems to me that they banned you for the cause, and not out of the personal addiction of the moderator. I’m on the site a little more than you, they discussed with many forum users, including Romanov, and there were pluses and minuses. Everything about the case.
            The style of expressing one’s thoughts in a VO dispute is everyone’s personal business. Only site rules do not need to be violated. Here you are now in some gossip hit. But here it’s not accepted. Respect the audience, including moderators.
      3. vovanpain
        vovanpain 4 July 2016 16: 44
        +7
        Quote: joopel
        . Sorry, that is off topic. I recently visited the site, but managed to complicate the relationship

        Here is a respected and understand in PM, not on the forum. God judge you. hi
      4. poquello
        poquello 4 July 2016 21: 39
        +2
        Quote: joopel
        Then they told me in secret in PM

        I have a grandmother living in my neighborhood, she collects rumors and then circulates left and right, aren't you? not? I open the second topic with the same post, can you tell me a secret how much more will you copy-paste your masterpiece
      5. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 5 July 2016 19: 28
        0
        Quote: joopel
        . My respect, madam.

        Well done, culturally so, he drove up correctly, with a flower. Do you think it will help? It was necessary to ask the face to show. laughing Or hesitate?
    5. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 4 July 2016 18: 05
      0
      Well then, about a helicopter carrier .. An article like about helicopters. I think that special attention should be paid to weapons on this technique. The shots from Syria wrap some thoughtfulness - the operator lights up the target before the missile hits, the helicopter at that time represents a good target, the missiles apparently still from the 80s ..
      Quote: edos1979
      It's time to think about a full-fledged aircraft carrier.
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 4 July 2016 18: 44
        -2
        Quote: dmi.pris
        Well then, about a helicopter carrier .. An article like about helicopters. I think that special attention should be paid to weapons on this technique. The shots from Syria wrap some thoughtfulness - the operator lights up the target before the missile hits, the helicopter at that time represents a good target, the missiles apparently still from the 80s ..
        Quote: edos1979
        It's time to think about a full-fledged aircraft carrier.

        Here tell me. Let's say you have 2 sticks of sausage in the refrigerator. One of them is fresh, while the other has an expiration date. You want to make a sandwich to eat right away, not a salad for guests who will come to you tomorrow. Will you make a fresh sausage sandwich?
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 4 July 2016 21: 56
          -1
          I don’t keep expired sausages in the refrigerator. And as for the use of old ammunition, I have already expressed myself quite clearly more than once. War is the best training ground for testing the latest technology and latest ammunition. Yesterday, please at the exercises and training grounds in the districts, at the very least recycling ( but not by fires in warehouses). Yesterday's missile may not only miss the target, but also expose the crew to MANPADS strike.
          Quote: Muvka
          Quote: dmi.pris
          Well then, about a helicopter carrier .. An article like about helicopters. I think that special attention should be paid to weapons on this technique. The shots from Syria wrap some thoughtfulness - the operator lights up the target before the missile hits, the helicopter at that time represents a good target, the missiles apparently still from the 80s ..
          Quote: edos1979
          It's time to think about a full-fledged aircraft carrier.

          Here tell me. Let's say you have 2 sticks of sausage in the refrigerator. One of them is fresh, while the other has an expiration date. You want to make a sandwich to eat right away, not a salad for guests who will come to you tomorrow. Will you make a fresh sausage sandwich?
    6. Andrew
      Andrew 4 July 2016 21: 57
      -4
      Already underway, the development of the aircraft carrier of project 23000E "Storm" will begin to design it in 2017-2018, and the start of the main design phase is planned for 2020. The estimated cost of this aircraft carrier will be $ 6.2 billion! For comparison - the American aircraft carrier Gerald Ford will cost the Americans as much as 12.8 billion! The Russian fleet is back! By 2020, we will receive 100 warships, including 33 submarines will be built separately from these ships! (8 nuclear submarines of Project 955 Borey (an increase of 2 units is possible) nuclear submarines of project 855 Ash 7 units, 12 nuclear submarines of Project 636 Varshavyanka)
  2. yanus
    yanus 4 July 2016 16: 09
    -7
    Damn, two types of attack helicopters in service ... What’s our money?
    What, it was impossible to leave one type, and to give the "loser" plant a contract for the assembly of a part of the winners' turntables, so as not to go broke?
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 4 July 2016 16: 21
      +11
      Quote: yanus
      Damn, two types of attack helicopters in service ... What’s our money?
      What, it was impossible to leave one type, and to give the "loser" plant a contract for the assembly of a part of the winners' turntables, so as not to go broke?

      Yeah, but how many types of planes and nuclear missiles. It is necessary to reduce to 1. After all, they are no different, right?
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 4 July 2016 22: 38
        +2
        One type of aircraft
    2. sinoptic
      sinoptic 4 July 2016 16: 45
      -1
      Quote: yanus
      Damn, two types of attack helicopters in service ... What’s our money?

      Come on - we will consider this the support of a genius :)
      ... engineering schools need to be supported, otherwise we are degrading in this area.
    3. dauria
      dauria 4 July 2016 17: 06
      0
      Do we have a lot of money?


      No, I just didn’t find a coin, Shoigu, toss a lot ... Only pieces of paper in my pocket. laughing
      Well, and I give you a plus and advice for the future - the topic is "slippery", they will peck. I suggest, "Ka-52 is a thousand times better than anything created under the Sun" laughing . I do not advise checking .....
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 4 July 2016 18: 49
      +5
      Quote: yanus
      What, it was impossible to leave one type, and to give the "loser" plant a contract for the assembly of a part of the winners' turntables, so as not to go broke?

      It is impossible. Because at the time of issuing the order for the first batch of Ka-52 and Mi-28, it was still not clear which of the machines could be brought to mind. Both the Mi-28 and the Ka-52 had big complaints as far back as 2014 - for example, the notorious surging of engines when firing NAR from hovering or eternal problems with ATGMs that normally were shot only in Torzhok.

      And then they decided not to break up the debugged production - for new helicopters are needed just yesterday... It is better to have 2 types than to have one, but in half (for now, "Progress" will be rebuilt).

      By the way, we have 3 types of new attack helicopters in service - you forgot about the Mi-35 order that insured both programs against failure.
      "And I also have a travel card
    5. avt
      avt 4 July 2016 19: 27
      +2
      Quote: yanus
      Damn, two types of attack helicopters in service ...

      wassat And where are the Mi-24/35 Delhi ?????
    6. poquello
      poquello 4 July 2016 22: 02
      -2
      Quote: yanus
      Damn, two types of attack helicopters in service ... What’s our money?
      What, it was impossible to leave one type, and to give the "loser" plant a contract for the assembly of a part of the winners' turntables, so as not to go broke?

      reprofiling is also worth money, and IMHO from Mi to speedy ones is better to switch, well, Mi is also selling well
  3. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 4 July 2016 16: 09
    +1
    to live to this glorious time. with what is happening now ...
  4. INF
    INF 4 July 2016 16: 09
    +2
    Quote: Dimontius
    I can’t understand it a lot or a little ... for our country it’s rather not enough, or am I wrong? request


    The main start has been made.
  5. dsm100
    dsm100 4 July 2016 16: 14
    +1
    This is of course very, very good, but it only takes a very long time to wait. He should have been much earlier.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 4 July 2016 16: 39
      -1
      Who is he????????
  6. black
    black 4 July 2016 16: 17
    +1
    It's good. Attack helicopters are always good.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 4 July 2016 18: 09
      0
      But this is debatable.
      The fact is that in the last ten years the work of attack helicopters
      imperceptibly intercepted shock drones.
      They make it safer (the crew does not die) and cheaper.

      For example, Israel bought Apache Long Bow. And the car showed itself
      OK. She was pleased. But more purchases are not planned.
      All the work of Apache is carried out by shock UAVs.
      1. VP
        VP 4 July 2016 19: 38
        +4
        UAVs are vulnerable to electronic warfare.
        Well, the combat load and the assortment of UAV armaments are not comparable to a small attack helicopter.
        An UAV is still more suitable for some actions, this is not a means of knocking down a strong enemy from positions or mowing a column of equipment on the march.
        This is my opinion, I had no business with UAVs, there were none in my time.
      2. vv3
        vv3 4 July 2016 20: 50
        -2
        Are you talking about our videoconferencing? We have 2 types of UAVs, and not one of these types determines the coordinates of the target in real time. The first type shoots a movie, which, at best, is relayed to the command post, and usually is simply recorded on the carrier by the control operator. Type 1 brings cinema, flying along a given route. And the radii of these UAVs cause incorruptible laughter. What kind of shock UAVs can we talk about if the radius of destruction of the SV Coalition and Tornado exceeds the UAV radius. Why? I would like to laugh, but for some reason it's very sad ...
      3. Absurdidat
        Absurdidat 4 July 2016 22: 36
        -2
        Against the monkeys, of course, but if Israel decides to attack anyone more seriously? In Turkey, Iran, the level is slightly different, they put these UAVs and business then.
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  7. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 4 July 2016 16: 17
    -1
    Knowing our mess we had to write the truth that until 2020 we hope or wish to receive 146 alligators. So it will be more honest.
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 4 July 2016 16: 23
    +3
    They tried it, finally. A strong fighter, and in combat conditions he showed himself well. So, the information is pleasing. The number seems to be not big, 4 regiments, well, so dashing trouble is the beginning. Export orders will go - production will become cheaper, and our orders will increase. Syria - it is like that. A lot of things have changed, including the attitude to our new technology.
  9. newcomer
    newcomer 4 July 2016 16: 26
    +2
    I am glad that everything is normal with the 62nd civil, but I want to quickly see the killer whale. and about the two types of helicopters, so we still didn’t really suit sailors.
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  10. edos1979
    edos1979 4 July 2016 16: 35
    0
    Quote: Expelling Liberoids
    Edos1979-build where the aircraft carrier plan-in the garden, or on the front lawn ???

    I do not understand the irony. There is USC. There are plans to modernize the shipyards. Are you against the development of the Navy?
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 4 July 2016 17: 01
      -3
      Aircraft carriers are about the same as dinosaurs.
  11. weksha50
    weksha50 4 July 2016 17: 01
    0
    "Ka-52 has demonstrated great demand and high quality during the Syrian campaign"...

    So the Syrian experience came in handy ... Children’s and other diseases will be eliminated ... And you can already sell with confidence to the countries of BV, Africa, and South America, Asia ... I think there will be buyers after real tests ...
  12. Khariton
    Khariton 4 July 2016 17: 07
    0
    Well, I don’t want to judge a lot or a little ... The main thing is that, in spite of all, we are rearming our Army and the results are already obvious (judging by the howl of the West about the Russian threat) Guys in the military-industrial complex are working and building up the pace!
  13. masiya
    masiya 4 July 2016 17: 07
    0
    Many never, especially no new equipment, only crew training and staff training is required constantly and as soon as possible ... This is not a locust field to process, although it is also necessary !!!
  14. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 4 July 2016 17: 15
    0
    All the same, 52 went, they gave birth for a long time, well, thank God, the designers and those who brought it!
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 4 July 2016 17: 25
      0
      Quote: avg-mgn
      All the same, 52 went, they gave birth for a long time, well, thank God, the designers and those who brought it!

      Woke up? There are already 90 of them in the troops.
    2. Papandopulo
      Papandopulo 4 July 2016 17: 38
      -1
      Long clamped, and still clamp
  15. anchabali
    anchabali 4 July 2016 17: 16
    -3
    Few! It would be necessary 1500 pieces a year!
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 4 July 2016 17: 42
      +2
      Pills from greed, but more, more.
    2. Manul
      Manul 4 July 2016 17: 57
      +2
      Quote: anchabali
      anchabali Today, 17:16
      Few! It would be necessary 1500 pieces a year!

      fool is it by the 20th year 4500 pieces of helicopters? And where to base them, what to serve, how to use them, and most importantly, where so many pilots to take? Here, from the wiki, I dug up - the number of Apaches - USA 730 AH-64 (130 AH-64E, and 600 AH-64D as of January 2016). Maybe the General Staff knows better how many units of military equipment we need?
      1. cobalt
        cobalt 4 July 2016 18: 14
        +1
        DO NOT forget from the US Marine Corps another 147 shock AN-1s, plus they still have about 600 OH-58 kaiovs in the army aviation, which also carry ammunition and other strike weapons.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 4 July 2016 18: 46
          +2
          Quote: cobalt
          DO NOT forget from the US Marine Corps another 147 shock AN-1s, plus they still have about 600 OH-58 kaiovs in the army aviation, which also carry ammunition and other strike weapons.

          Do not forget, we still have Mi-28, 24 and 8. Will you count them?
          1. cobalt
            cobalt 4 July 2016 21: 03
            0
            As mentioned above, mi-28 has 54 units so far, mi-24 is in operation 220 units, and in the USSR for the period 1991 there were 2300 mi-24 in operation, not counting mi-8, feel the difference.
            1. user1212
              user1212 5 July 2016 02: 39
              +2
              Quote: cobalt
              As mentioned above, mi-28 has 54 units so far, mi-24 is in operation 220 units, and in the USSR for the period 1991 there were 2300 mi-24 in operation, not counting mi-8, feel the difference.

              The USSR itself was somewhat larger. Not so long ago, engines for Mi28 and Ka52 were produced ONLY in Ukraine.
  16. K-50
    K-50 4 July 2016 17: 25
    +1
    Arsenievsky Helicopter Plant is a supplier of Ka-52 combat helicopters, which in the amount of 146 units were contracted until 2020.

    Oh, the mail chain is small! (with)
    Ten times more. and change all the old ones, and repair the old ones at the long-term storage warehouses, perhaps come in handy. what
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 4 July 2016 18: 49
      +1
      Yeah, and that's why we have almost 7000 outdated T-72s gathering dust in our warehouses. Here in the USSR, the same "more" were sitting, inflating the budget. So what? How much equipment is scrapped? It is necessary to know when to stop in everything. For small conflicts, this is more than enough, but for a big mess we have other weapons.
      1. K-50
        K-50 5 July 2016 08: 57
        +3
        Quote: Muvka
        Yeah, and that's why outdated almost 7000 T-72 are gathering dust in our warehouses

        And what's wrong with that, when something lies on a rainy day for a rainy day?
        You see, if the "big badabum" begins, then first of all, except for the administrative centers, all factories capable of producing military equipment and equipment will be destroyed. As in the last war, it will not work directly from the shops to the front, a very long production time and enormous complexity of products will not give.
        Therefore, if there is no mobilization reserve in the coffin, then you can lose the war. request
    2. VP
      VP 4 July 2016 19: 47
      +1
      Quote: K-50
      maybe come in handy

      Maybe not useful
      1. K-50
        K-50 5 July 2016 08: 57
        +2
        Quote: VP
        Maybe not useful

        God forbid. sad
  17. satelit24
    satelit24 4 July 2016 17: 29
    0
    And who will say? How much is generally due to the state - for the entire army, do you need turntables?
  18. Breard
    Breard 4 July 2016 17: 30
    +2
    Hmm ... again - "Promise to promise!"
  19. Koronik
    Koronik 4 July 2016 17: 31
    +1
    Yes, for 5 years 146 units I think that it’s not much, about 30 units per year, that is, two and a half helicopters per month. The rate is not high.
    1. supervisor
      supervisor 4 July 2016 21: 43
      +1
      There were only 146 of them ordered before 2020, approx. 81 pcs
  20. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 4 July 2016 17: 31
    -1
    Quote: weksha50
    So the Syrian experience came in handy ...

    Do you have documentary evidence of the use of K-52 in Syria? at least I don’t personally offer a link (a couple of clips from Yutub), as well as a bluff about K-50 allegedly brought down by Ukrainians.
    1. Ducksar
      Ducksar 4 July 2016 17: 40
      +2
      enjoy

      or was it shot on Mosfilm in your opinion?
      1. Skubudu
        Skubudu 4 July 2016 19: 45
        0
        What to enjoy? This video is the one and only, up to the holes erased. NURSami any helicopter can shoot.
        Where is the result of the shooting?
        And if without urapatriotism, judging by this video, helicopters have to work at low altitude directly above the enemy's heads, risking a burst from the ZU-23, this means that from a safe distance the pilots do not see shit on the battlefield due to "good" means detection, so they go for a risky rapprochement.
        It is already universally recognized that if something happens in Syria, then it is filmed on video.
        No video - no event.
        1. 11 black
          11 black 4 July 2016 20: 26
          0
          Quote: Skubudu
          What to enjoy? This video is the one and only, up to the holes erased. NURSami any helicopter can shoot.
          Where is the result of the shooting?
          And if without urapatriotism, judging by this video, helicopters have to work at low altitude directly above the enemy's heads, risking a burst from the ZU-23, this means that from a safe distance the pilots do not see shit on the battlefield due to "good" means detection, so they go for a risky rapprochement.
          It is already universally recognized that if something happens in Syria, then it is filmed on video.
          No video - no event.

          MI-28N - hit (covered with shrapnel, disabled - offset), miss (operator error is visible - the marker is shifted to the left of the target), hit on a rapidly moving target. Probably shot "Attack" from 5 km.

          2 hits from 4 and 5 km respectively
          1. Skubudu
            Skubudu 5 July 2016 11: 28
            +1
            In the first video you uploaded, the desert, everything should be visible at a glance, there are not even bushes. If a person lies down and curls, then judging by the picture from the monitor, it will be difficult to distinguish it from a stone.
            The first and second cars are not destroyed, their crews are alive.
            In the third car on the go hit, this is the merit of the operator and not weapons.
            A modern rocket fired from one of the best helicopters in the world (according to the manufacturer) should fly away and hit the target on its own.

            Why didn’t they shoot the cannons who escaped from the stopped cars from the cannons?
            1. 11 black
              11 black 5 July 2016 16: 25
              0
              Quote: Skubudu
              The first and second cars are not destroyed, their crews are alive.

              Well, the first one is definitely not on the go, about whether they are still alive or not, the question has also rushed right under the wheel ...
              Second yes, miss - but there is clearly an operator error.
              Quote: Skubudu
              In the third car on the go hit, this is the merit of the operator and not weapons.

              How's that? What does "operator, not weapons" mean? This is the merit of the operator and the weapons too - they do not work separately.
              Quote: Skubudu
              A modern rocket fired from one of the best helicopters in the world (according to the manufacturer) should fly away and hit the target on its own.

              I agree with you that fire-and-forget rockets would be very, very useful here, but on the other hand, rockets with laser beam control are much more stable in noise immunity.
              Quote: Skubudu
              Why didn’t they shoot the cannons who escaped from the stopped cars from the cannons?

              Theoretically, they could destroy a couple of lines of their car and they were at the same time - obviously they learned to shoot rockets.
        2. Ducksar
          Ducksar 5 July 2016 16: 59
          +1
          asked for "proof" I provided. about the tactics of use and the complex of weapons did not write a word. The absence, so far, of controlled weapons depressing not only the "true patriots" whom I think you are, but also mere mortals ...
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 4 July 2016 17: 44
      +2
      Yes. They work in Palmyra, here in the HD their raid a couple (this is the city of Karatyan).
  21. Yak28
    Yak28 4 July 2016 17: 33
    -1
    146 Ka-52 helicopters are few per year, and until 2020 it is generally a drop in the bucket. Fortunately, in the USSR, military equipment was made uphill, another 10 years you can chew snot
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 July 2016 19: 15
      -1
      After 2020, they promise to create a new attack helicopter.
  22. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 4 July 2016 17: 36
    0
    Quote: satelit24
    And who will say? How much is generally due to the state - for the entire army, do you need turntables?

    Watching what we are getting ready for! wink
    Not very professionally (not an "academician") I will say that a couple of "crocodiles" at the front of the regiment will not be sickly! fellow
    shl. "bra accountants"! laughing
  23. Shuttle
    Shuttle 4 July 2016 17: 43
    -1
    contracted

    Pancake!!! It is necessary to write in Russian, but not managerial. This is an article, not an internal note.
    What do you mean "contracted" ?! What kind of word is that? !!
    I understand that the Deputy Minister of Defense can issue such words. But it needs to be translated into Russian.
  24. navigator777
    navigator777 4 July 2016 17: 46
    0
    And who said that after 2020 the supply of equipment will cease, most likely there will be another weapons program, if funding remains at the same level, why not buy helicopters.
  25. KVashentcev
    KVashentcev 4 July 2016 17: 50
    0
    150 at least - for an even count!
  26. Ardein
    Ardein 4 July 2016 18: 27
    0
    Quote: Observer2014
    Dimontius RU Today, 16:08 ↑ New
    I can’t understand it a lot or a little ... for our country it’s rather not enough, or am I wrong? request

    No, not a little. If you consider that we have three attack helicopters in production. MI 35, MI 28 and KA52.

    And if you also take into account that the new cars will almost certainly go regularly with the Vitebsk and its modifications (if the 24 already in service are equipped with them from this year), then this is a completely different machine both in terms of survivability and in terms of weapons and avionics.
  27. Alex777
    Alex777 4 July 2016 19: 06
    0
    Quote: Alex777
    I can’t understand it a lot or a little ... for our country it’s rather not enough, or am I wrong?

    Quote: Alex777
    In every American division there are about 200 helicopters staffed.
    The number varies slightly depending on the type of division.
    1. VP
      VP 4 July 2016 20: 00
      0
      Why so much?
      Are you sure about the number?
      For one division, several regiments of turntables?
      With its own specifics, with its own problems of basing, mat-tech, service, etc. ?
      Yes, just the supply of fuel and RAV completely cut down all the supply services of the division.
  28. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 4 July 2016 19: 45
    +1
    You read the comments and it is not clear where GSH, and where the wiseacres! ???
    Why, for them, in the General Staff "to be clever", it is enough to read VO! laughing
    However, the Foreign Ministry is also concerned! laughing
  29. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 4 July 2016 19: 55
    -4
    Quote: DucksWar
    enjoy

    or was it shot on Mosfilm in your opinion?

    Maybe not at Mosfilm! But, obviously staged shooting! Moreover, Dumb!
    1. wallow outskirts, a lot of mind is not necessary !!!
    2. if this is a "new" weapon, why are there so many unmasking effects ???!
    shl. "crocodiles" and "striped", it was easier to do, - we entered, the first 1-2 for target designation, led by amendment and cover, and into the "carousel"!)
    here, crap, (they’re not even afraid of resistance, at least a couple of traps farted !!!)
    Threat_2. I’ll add about the video, pay attention to the interval of call!
    FULL LAG !!!
  30. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 4 July 2016 20: 05
    0
    Well, you, such warriors! ???? fellow
    Write crap, minus (without justifying) !!!? A shame ! wassat
  31. mlad
    mlad 4 July 2016 20: 31
    0
    The Ka 52 is in many ways better than the Mi 28 and the military is well aware of this, but the price is more and because of greed, they emphasized the Mi 28. It's a pity the KA 50 - with modern electronics, the single-seat version would be very effective.
    1. VP
      VP 4 July 2016 20: 37
      0
      It looks like you are judging Ka on the Black Shark promotional film.
      1. mlad
        mlad 4 July 2016 20: 43
        0
        I judge by the characteristics, and ka 50 and would be cheaper
        1. VP
          VP 4 July 2016 21: 29
          0
          By what?
          In cruising, in rate of climb, Mi is a little but better.
          The reservation is superior. The combat load is three hundred higher.
          What characteristics do you conclude that Ka is better?
  32. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 4 July 2016 21: 04
    -2
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    You read the comments and it is not clear where GSH, and where the wiseacres! ???
    Why, for them, in the General Staff "to be clever", it is enough to read VO! laughing
    However, the Foreign Ministry is also concerned! laughing

    There are few drawbacks, add the Ministry of Education and Social Development, and of course, the Ministry of Finance !!! laughing
  33. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 4 July 2016 21: 06
    0
    Quote: mlad
    The Ka 52 is in many ways better than the Mi 28 and the military is well aware of this, but the price is more and because of greed, they emphasized the Mi 28. It's a pity the KA 50 - with modern electronics, the single-seat version would be very effective.

    A small amendment - Ka-52 and Mi-28, machines for different purposes !!!! wassat
    1. user1212
      user1212 5 July 2016 02: 50
      0
      Quote: Cosmonaut
      A small amendment - Ka-52 and Mi-28, machines for different purposes !!!!

      What is this?
  34. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 4 July 2016 21: 07
    0
    146 cars are good, but not enough for the needs of our Ministry of Defense. The presence, up to this day, of "effective managers" at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, including the presence of the "secret hero of the Russian Federation Taburetkin" in "Russian Helicopters", is frightening. We will wait for new revelations (on paper!), But from such "specialists" before of all, the country's defense suffers, i.e. our future is with you.
  35. Andrew
    Andrew 4 July 2016 21: 26
    +2
    146 Units of similar helicopters is a really impressive amount! Although the number of American Apaches is superior, but ours are better than their helicopters! And for a country that has experienced a collapse, such a quantity is very large! We hope that by 2020 they will establish more production of these helicopters! Still, there would be so much the same MI-28 ... That would be to completely re-upgrade the MI-24 to MI-35, and it would be two times better! GLORY OF THE ARMY OF RUSSIA!
  36. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 4 July 2016 22: 13
    -2
    Quote: polkovnik manuch
    146 cars are good, but not enough for the needs of our Ministry of Defense. The presence, up to this day, of "effective managers" at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, including the presence of the "secret hero of the Russian Federation Taburetkin" in "Russian Helicopters", is frightening. We will wait for new revelations (on paper!), But from such "specialists" before of all, the country's defense suffers, i.e. our future is with you.

    A real "colonel"! laughing
    PS. WHAT, I liked it, so it's a stool with a capital letter! bully
  37. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 4 July 2016 22: 41
    -3
    Quote: polkovnik manuch
    146 cars is good, but not enough for the needs of our Moscow Region (categorically) ... The presence, to this day, of "effective managers" at the enterprises of the defense industry is frightening, including the presence of the "secret hero of the Russian Federation Taburetkin" in "Russian Helicopters".We will wait for new revelations (on paper!), And after all, the country's defense primarily suffers from such "specialists", i.e. our future is with you.
    A real "colonel"! laughing

    "Colonel", reread your post !!! (I didn't highlight everything, think about it, if there is something !!! bully)
  38. mik6403
    mik6403 4 July 2016 22: 49
    +2
    Damn I read the comments of some wise guys supposedly: a little, a drop in the ocean, etc. and I think probably in our economy and social sphere everything is so cool that we just don’t know where to put money ... but in the sun except for helicopters, well, everything in chocolate .. surely many do not remember or don’t know that in the 90s there were years when there wasn’t any equipment at all in the sun .....
    1. alexej123
      alexej123 5 July 2016 23: 45
      0
      And I, sorry, will add. Unfortunately, it is not connected with the sky. But .. In addition to the "tribes of Indians", "Black Hawk Down", our - Soviet and Russian machines, let someone from the members of the forum name other "forcibly untwisted", "self-spinning" combat and military transport vehicles from other countries, which can be parameters - fame, mass character, frequency in use, in reliability, in geography of application to be on a par with amers and with us? Well, we are, if not the first in the field of military helicopter construction and application, then certainly not the third.
  39. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 4 July 2016 22: 57
    0
    If you take a helicopter fleet, then I was pleased with a recent article about the modernization and return of MI-14. unique car !!!
    And MI-24, it's native and invincible, like the T-34! (IMHO, of course) good
  40. DMB3000
    DMB3000 4 July 2016 23: 23
    +1
    Quote: Igor39
    Of course, not a lot, but note with what pathos this is served, as many as 146 helicopters under 20! May be....

    Recently there was information about 2018. it's already 2020. I don’t understand anything.
  41. unlucky
    unlucky 4 July 2016 23: 24
    -3
    In the video, the pilot made pants with happiness that he hit once out of four .. Apaches from the same height would simply put everyone out of the cannon and if hellfire, then even more so .. Maybe of course some old missiles are fired, but if this is the best that is, somehow not very ..
  42. Gavril
    Gavril 5 July 2016 03: 21
    +1
    Few? For 3,5 years, 146 Ka-52 is not enough? request
  43. Evil 55
    Evil 55 5 July 2016 03: 34
    +2
    146 "Alligators" is already a whole crocodile farm, and not hukhry-muhry ...
  44. Wolka
    Wolka 5 July 2016 05: 13
    0
    very few, quite frankly, in four years, one and a half regiment of turntables all over Russia, slowly comrades sway very slowly ...
  45. SERGUNCHOs
    SERGUNCHOs 5 July 2016 08: 57
    0
    Good news. And the trend is not bad for the growth of the helicopter fleet. As for the number, I remember the dark times when there were only 12 of them, and even then they were only allowed to go to the parade. Rocket armament is high time to modernize or completely change. "Whirlwinds" with constant target holding in sight is the last century.
  46. Shtyn dwarf
    Shtyn dwarf 5 July 2016 09: 02
    0
    Ka-50 - a mistake designers? Why is nothing heard about him?
    1. eleronn
      eleronn 6 July 2016 23: 57
      -1
      Quote: Shtynsky Dwarf
      Ka-50 - a mistake designers? Why is nothing heard about him?

      That's for sure! Everyone abruptly forgot about the super-duper Ka-50. As a helicopter for battle, it turned out to be rather weak precisely because of the crew consisting of one person. Ejection seat? A very weak argument - there are Ka-50 dead in the catastrophes, but there are no survivors.
  47. igorka357
    igorka357 6 July 2016 23: 58
    +1
    Quote: Talker
    Quote: cniza
    Of course not many, but at least slowly, but the army is replenished.


    In order for this article to make sense and carry some kind of information, the following figures must be given in it:
    1. How much does the Russian army need KA-52 helicopters
    2. How many helicopters are in operation
    3. How much will be debited by 2020.
    4. How much will be built, at least according to plan.

    The article has only one figure out of four. Those. The article is basically useless info garbage, designed to create the feeling among the average person that something is being done in the Russian Federation to ensure security.

    One gets the impression that there is a site like "news of the Russian Federation" and journalists stupidly repost articles from there in the media, without regaining consciousness.

    Remember, this is an ordinary belolentochnik-five-columnist, he always has Putinslip-roguesallpolymers!
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 7 July 2016 00: 37
      0
      Quote: igorka357
      "interpreter" in Russian is an ordinary talker-talker!

      - IMHO is still a "translator"

      Quote: igorka357
      Remember, this is an ordinary five-columned white-cole, it always has putinsiliprosral compounds

      - it is, yes yes
  48. eleronn
    eleronn 7 July 2016 00: 07
    0
    "Until 2020, the Ministry of Defense will receive 146 Ka-52 helicopters" ... I have a question: why, in general, was this said? I will understand the meaning when they report that for 2015. and the first half of 2016. we received 150 combat helicopters. And since when is it considered good form to disclose your plans for armament?