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Greek Navy replenished with two submarines class 214HN

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In Greece, a flag raising ceremony was held on two diesel-electric submarines of the 214HN class - Matrozos and Katsonis. Acceptance of these submarines ended the implementation of the program "Archimedes", adopted more than 15-ti ago, reports resource Flot.com.

Type 214HN diesel substation

“A contract worth about $ 1,26 billion, involving the construction for the Greek Navy of three XDUMXHN type diesel-electric submarines, was signed in February of the year 214. According to its conditions, the first submarine was built in Germany at the shipyard "Hovaldsverke-Deutsche Werft" in Kiel, and the next two were built under a German license in Greece. The contract included an option to build a fourth submarine, implemented in the summer of 2000. The total cost of the project is now estimated at 2002 billion euros, ”the publication reminds.

It is reported that "the initial delivery of the submarines was planned for 2005-2007, but in November 2006, after evaluating the test results, the Greek Navy refused to accept the parent Papanicolis made in Germany." Long negotiations followed, and the submarine was adopted only in December 2010. The second submarine (Pipinos) was handed over the fleet in 2014.

“The laying of the keel of the diesel-electric submarine" Matrozos "took place in March 2003 of the year, and it was launched only in February 2015 of the year. In March, 2004, the year laid the "Katsonis." Launched in October 2015. The delays are caused by the ongoing financial crisis in the country, ”writes resource.

Help Flot.com: “The displacement of the submarine 214 HN in the surface position is 1690 tons, in the underwater - 1860 tons. Length - 65 meters, width - 6,3 meters. Surface speed - 12 nodes, submerged - 20 nodes. Immersion depth - 250 meters, limit - 400 meters. Autonomy - 84 of the day. Crew - 27 man. The submarine is equipped with eight nose torpedo tubes of caliber 533 mm. Carries on board either 12 torpedoes, or up to 24 bottom or up to 36 anchor mines. ”
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  1. ser-pov
    ser-pov 4 July 2016 15: 16
    +1
    It would be better if they bought from us ... And it’s good for us and they would have fallen in price ...
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 4 July 2016 15: 21
      +6
      Quote: ser-pov
      And we are good and they would have fallen in price would have happened ...
      Most likely, the condition for the acquisition of these submarines was their construction in German shipyards, and then under a German license. And, naturally, for German loans. Otherwise, where does the bankrupt country have an extra 2 yards of euros?
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 4 July 2016 15: 47
        +12
        They have the Army in the lead (or rather, the Air Force and partly the Navy + separate units of the SV). Therefore, the loot is found.

        It is the leading army of the EU today. Which has:
        32 F-16block52M new built since 2009 delivery
        62 F-16block52 + supplies since 2004
        42 F-16block50 supplies 97-98 years
        Separately, the 330 squadron on the old F-16block30 is still alive - supplies of the early 90s.

        42 Mirage 2000 in various versions.
        Own AWACS - 4 Erieye EMB-145H AEW & C.

        This is one of the most powerful active EU air forces - more modern than Turkish.

        The Navy crippled the crisis. But 4x214 boats are better than the most modern Turkish 209 / 1400M. 4 MEKO2000 - with a better composition of equipment than similar Turkish ones, well, a lot of corvettes / missile boats with anti-ship missiles.

        At one time they even wanted to get into FREMM, but there is no money.
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 4 July 2016 17: 15
        +1
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Rather, The condition for the acquisition of these submarines was their construction at German shipyards, and then under a German license.


        Hmm ... Most likely, here is the dependence-ratio of both members of the NATO bloc and EU members ...

        How many NATO submarines have been ordered and bought from us?
        And is it worth them to sell their submarines?

        After all, it should not be considered that the Greek Navy has strengthened, but the Navy of the NATO bloc ...
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        2. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 4 July 2016 21: 48
          +2
          Quote: weksha50
          Hmm ... Most likely, here is the dependence-ratio of both members of the NATO bloc and EU members ...
          How many NATO submarines have been ordered and bought from us?
          And is it worth them to sell their submarines?
          After all, it should not be considered that the Greek Navy has strengthened, but the Navy of the NATO bloc ...

          George, I will not argue about submarines, not a specialist to say the least. But Greece bought air defense systems and anti-tank weapons in Russia, at least until 2013. hi
      3. field engineer
        field engineer 4 July 2016 20: 56
        -1
        The submarines seemed to be chopped with an ax. But what about the laws of hydrodynamics?
    2. volot-voin
      volot-voin 4 July 2016 15: 26
      -1
      Quote: ser-pov
      It would be better if they bought from us ... And it’s good for us and they would have fallen cheaper.

      The EU is overstocked by the United States, otherwise it will be punished.
      And these boats can only plunge, or else float too ???

      All of them can, only cost more than ours. The US military-industrial complex is not idle, even a bankrupt country can be sold.
      1. ARES623
        ARES623 5 July 2016 13: 03
        0
        Quote: volot-voin
        The American military-industrial complex is not idle; even a bankrupt country can be sold.

        The product is not American, but German. The Germans give loans to the Greeks with the conditions that they will purchase a German product. And then, this is not a diesel-electric submarine, but an NAPL, which indicates that an air-independent power unit is installed on the submarine. We tested it on Lada, but so far there is no information about mass production. Like all German, the boat is expensive, but sensible.
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 4 July 2016 15: 27
      +2
      They are with VNEU, plus a new generation. There is nothing to cover ROE yet.
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  2. dsm100
    dsm100 4 July 2016 15: 18
    +2
    Iron by iron. It may of course TTX at altitude ... But still, our ships and submarines are much more aesthetically pleasing. The brains of our scientists and designers work differently.
    1. jjj
      jjj 4 July 2016 17: 00
      0
      The German boats of the 209, 212 and 214 projects are quite a workhorse. Our boats for Greece are redundant. And it will turn out some kind of parade fleet. There is okay, not the mistress of the sea, Elada was going to become
  3. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 4 July 2016 15: 20
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    And these boats can only plunge, or else float too ???
  4. Magic archer
    Magic archer 4 July 2016 15: 23
    +2
    The Greeks, despite the fact that the country is in crisis, are actively arming themselves. And despite the fact that they are a NATO country, they are quietly buying weapons from both us and Soblrkovites. By the way, the 212 project is very serious submarines. I have been following them since the beginning of 90 it was just announced. The Germans, as always, carefully and scrupulously did everything. And the 212 boats are by far the best dap in the western world.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 4 July 2016 15: 29
      +1
      Well, they are very expensive to operate. Plus, new stirlings - they look more interesting (that is, it is better than Gotland, but Soryu is not so clear on the new stirling) than the capricious 212/14 reactor.
  5. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 4 July 2016 15: 38
    -5
    Why Greece submarine? Who will they be used against? It is unlikely that it is against Turkey - those fleets will be much more powerful. It would be better to have bought a normal air defense system in order to stop the shameless, if not worse, Turkish Air Force flights over Greece. They returned the territory captured by Turkey. And only then it would reach the depths of the sea.
    1. kote119
      kote119 4 July 2016 16: 39
      +1
      then you can not arm yourself at all
  6. Evil 55
    Evil 55 4 July 2016 16: 07
    +2
    The Greeks have a very unstable neighbor, Turkey .. Therefore, they need boats so that they can slap something
    Sultan for loins ..
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 4 July 2016 20: 32
      0
      Quote: Angry 55
      The Greeks have a very unstable neighbor Turkey

      Turkey purchases the same submarines 214, so here Germany wins by selling weapons to two conflicting countries.
  7. prior
    prior 4 July 2016 16: 57
    0
    Well, now everything is in Greece, even submarines.
    Two submarines will provide Greece with protection against attacks by any aggressor!
    It remains to find the aggressor.
  8. Peter Romane
    Peter Romane 4 July 2016 16: 58
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    Characteristics of the submarine of the Second World War.
  9. Mercenary
    Mercenary 4 July 2016 18: 54
    -1
    The Greeks should all over the world and the boats themselves buy soon they will catch up with us in the Navy NATO allies!
  10. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 4 July 2016 19: 06
    0
    Why Germany is not interested in selling the Type 212 to anyone? (The only exception is Italy, with which Germany was developing a submarine, and, it seems, in a truncated version, Germany supplied the submarine with a low-magnetic hull to its fleet, and the usual one to Italy). Or is Type 212 not for sale?
  11. Wildfox
    Wildfox 4 July 2016 19: 14
    -1
    Quote: Peter Romane
    Characteristics of the submarine of the Second World War.


    Diesel submarines have not chased for AUG for a long time, if not to say that they did not chase at all) These are "ambush" boats to meet guests or quietly sneak up and slip away, believe them to catch enough gemorno if the crew is normal.
    1. Peter Romane
      Peter Romane 4 July 2016 20: 20
      +1
      PL 214 HN displacement of 1690 tons, in the basement. - 1860 t. speed - 12 knots; - 20 knots Worker ch. diving - 250 m, extreme - 400 m. 12 torpedoes

      PL. Type "K" (1936) water content. 1490 t, in the basement-2104 t. speed - 22,5 knots
      subs. - 10,2 knots Working head diving - 80 m, ultimate - 100. 24 torpedoes.

      Sub. VIIC \ 42 waterism. 999t. in the basement - 1099 t. speed - 16,6 knots,
      subs. - 7,6 knots Worker ch. diving - 270 m, limit - 400 m. 16 torpedoes

      Sub. XXI waterism. 1621t. in the basement - 2114 t. speed - 15,6 knots,
      subs. - 17,2 knots Worker ch. diving - 133 m, limit - 220 m. 23 torpedoes

      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++

      PL.pr.636 water 2350t. in the basement - 3950 t. speed - 17 knots.,
      subs. - 20 knots Worker ch. diving - 240 m, limit - 300 m. 18 torpedoes
      and 4 missiles of the "Caliber" class.

      Pl.pr. 677. pond. 1765 t. - //. Ext. speed - 10 knots.,
      subs. - 21 knots Worker ch. diving - 250 m. marginal - 300m. 18 torpedoes
      and 10 missiles of the "Caliber" class.

      As we see the PL 214 HN in terms of displacement and other characteristics, it is comparable to the submarines of World War II, but in terms of armaments it is inferior even to them.

      Of course, she undoubtedly has better opportunities than the submarines of World War II, but the characteristics that are indicated in this article do not distinguish her from them too much.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 4 July 2016 20: 24
        0
        Quote: Peter Romane
        12 torpedoes

        If we take into account that out of these 12 weapons, several are sonar counters launched from torpedo tubes, then there are even fewer weapons there ...
        And the point is in an air-independent installation that allows you to stay under water for 3 weeks without surfacing, if after the first attack you don’t have any weapons left and you will be practically useless.
        1. Peter Romane
          Peter Romane 4 July 2016 20: 57
          -1
          For example, project 20380 corvettes are equipped with anti-torpedo protection for the ship. I think many other warships too.
          It’s not easy, probably, the PL 214 HN to fight, due to the small number of torpedoes.
  12. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 4 July 2016 22: 21
    0
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Quote: ser-pov
    And we are good and they would have fallen in price would have happened ...
    Most likely, the condition for the acquisition of these submarines was their construction in German shipyards, and then under a German license. And, naturally, for German loans. Otherwise, where does the bankrupt country have an extra 2 yards of euros?

    Actually, and the horseradish of Greece submarine ??? !!! wassat
  13. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 4 July 2016 22: 24
    0
    Quote: Peter Romane
    For example, project 20380 corvettes are equipped with anti-torpedo protection for the ship. I think many other warships too.
    It’s not easy, probably, the PL 214 HN to fight, due to the small number of torpedoes.

    I’m from a naval aviator ... But please explain how many torpedoes a submarine (not about strategists) can launch in a modern naval battle (at least in a fan, when it’s all five buttons) ????! wassat
    PS. It would be nice if you even read old books on PLO! wassat
    1. Peter Romane
      Peter Romane 4 July 2016 23: 33
      0
      I am not only familiar with the PLO, my grandfather in the Second World War was the commander of the PL. The submarine goes on a campaign not for the sake of one single ship (vessel). A large number of attacks may not be successful, and the transition to the base takes time. Of course, the torpedoes are different now, but the anti-torpedo defense is not standing still either. For submarine 214 HN, two torpedo attacks (on all buttons with fives ;-)) and the boat is "empty". Row to base.
      Therefore, the submarine 214 HN rather coastal boat, near range.
      Why does the Greeks understand it?
      Rather, try. Status. And the Germans profitable to sell.
      It seems to me more politics than the real defense of the Greek state.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 5 July 2016 01: 20
        +1
        Quote: Peter Romane
        Why does the Greeks understand it?

        Turkey is nearby, the Turks are also going to acquire PL 214.
        1. Peter Romane
          Peter Romane 5 July 2016 03: 30
          0
          Turkey’s attack on Greece is nonsense. Although something just does not happen in the European Kingdom.
  14. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 4 July 2016 22: 34
    -1
    What, I'm kidding ??? repeat
    My status, it is constant (+1 articles) - (- 1 article), I’ve thrown it to the chief of staff once.
    It's funny wassat
    Learn further! laughing
  15. Wolka
    Wolka 5 July 2016 05: 43
    +1
    to demonstrate power is weak, but for internal complacency scare fishermen and African refugees ...